Who in your eyes, is the most OVERRATED and UNDERRATED bands you listen to

[ezco25]

Who in your eyes, is the most overrated and unerrated bands you listen to


overrated:

All Time Low - wannabes, and every song sounds exactly the same
Fall Out Boy - i liked them when they were real punk , and when they werent sell outs...
Green Day - i know theyre amazing... but everyone talk about dookie and american idiot, what about their newest effort?? in my opinion and a lot of others opinions - its just ok
Red Hot Chilli Peppers - com on these guys really stink, every song sounds exactly the same


underrated:

Angels and airwaves - does no one realize how creative they are

Good Charlotte - yes their last effort was more on the poppy song, but does anyone remember how big good charlotte used to be? does anyone remember two amazing punk albums they put out; The Chronicles Of Life And Death, and The Young And The Hopeless

Hawthorne Heights - their last album - did anyone even know it came out? i didnt hear one person ever speak about it, and it was pretty damn good

Lostprophets - dont you remember their big hit "last train home"? well everyone forgot about these dudes but these dudes from the uk really know how to make some good music; check out their last album "Liberation Transmission", new album out this fall

The Offspring - they are one of the biggest punk rock influences and are one of the most important punk bands of all time and they couldnt sell out the show i went to last week on 7/8/09 in NYC - WTF????

Silversun Pickups - their new album "swoon" is simple amazing, how were they forgotten after their big hit, "Lazy eye"

Sugarcult - Lights out, their last album was great - one of the best of that year (i think 06?) but no one even noticed it....

Sum 41 - these canadiens punks have lended some of their techniques to punk. theyve got amazing music all around, from, all killer no filler - underclass hero. does this look infected have to be one of my top 5 punk albums. and underclass hero got no credit, even in my eyes. it is looked at as a softer album but its not that soft... just a step down from the previous sum 41 albums...

Three Days Grace - one x was great, the 2 worst songs on the album (pain, never too late) became big radio hits. what about the rest of the album?

Yellowcard - they went on hiatus for around 6 months but now it appears as if they are back, this time dont let new music by them slip past your ears. no one notices how good yellowcard really is. Ocean Avenue was amazing all around, i just think no one even checked it out. Lights and sounds came out and so did paper walls with very little people even knowing... even from the people who did know about these two albums, the credit deserved, wasnt given to yellowcard. those last two albums were really good....

(+44) - mark hoppus and travis barker from blink 182 were in this band, and for some reason it didnt blow up.... their debut album was awesome... i dont think enough people noticed that.... too many people were anticipating a blink 182 sounding album, well this is +44 and its very good

thanks for reading, your opinions??

[thesafeword]

Who in your eyes, is the most overrated and unerrated bands you listen to


overrated:

All Time Low - wannabes, and every song sounds exactly the same
Fall Out Boy - i liked them when they were real punk , and when they werent sell outs...
Green Day - i know theyre amazing... but everyone talk about dookie and american idiot, what about their newest effort?? in my opinion and a lot of others opinions - its just ok
Red Hot Chilli Peppers - com on these guys really stink, every song sounds exactly the same


underrated:

Angels and airwaves - does no one realize how creative they are

Good Charlotte - yes their last effort was more on the poppy song, but does anyone remember how big good charlotte used to be? does anyone remember two amazing punk albums they put out; The Chronicles Of Life And Death, and The Young And The Hopeless

Hawthorne Heights - their last album - did anyone even know it came out? i didnt hear one person ever speak about it, and it was pretty damn good

Lostprophets - dont you remember their big hit "last train home"? well everyone forgot about these dudes but these dudes from the uk really know how to make some good music; check out their last album "Liberation Transmission", new album out this fall

The Offspring - they are one of the biggest punk rock influences and are one of the most important punk bands of all time and they couldnt sell out the show i went to last week on 7/8/09 in NYC - WTF????

Silversun Pickups - their new album "swoon" is simple amazing, how were they forgotten after their big hit, "Lazy eye"

Sugarcult - Lights out, their last album was great - one of the best of that year (i think 06?) but no one even noticed it....

Sum 41 - these canadiens punks have lended some of their techniques to punk. theyve got amazing music all around, from, all killer no filler - underclass hero. does this look infected have to be one of my top 5 punk albums. and underclass hero got no credit, even in my eyes. it is looked at as a softer album but its not that soft... just a step down from the previous sum 41 albums...

Three Days Grace - one x was great, the 2 worst songs on the album (pain, never too late) became big radio hits. what about the rest of the album?

Yellowcard - they went on hiatus for around 6 months but now it appears as if they are back, this time dont let new music by them slip past your ears. no one notices how good yellowcard really is. Ocean Avenue was amazing all around, i just think no one even checked it out. Lights and sounds came out and so did paper walls with very little people even knowing... even from the people who did know about these two albums, the credit deserved, wasnt given to yellowcard. those last two albums were really good....

(+44) - mark hoppus and travis barker from blink 182 were in this band, and for some reason it didnt blow up.... their debut album was awesome... i dont think enough people noticed that.... too many people were anticipating a blink 182 sounding album, well this is +44 and its very good

thanks for reading, your opinions??
Those bands can't be underrated if they're fucking terrible.

[Brokenhill]

RHCP have more variety than any band on your underrated list (same with your overrated list, for that matter).

[Kid B]

RHCP is a good band.

[Kid B]

Also, you say that Green Day is one of the most overrated bands you listen to, yet you say "in my and a lot of others opinions, it was just ok". If it was a lot of others opinions, how are they that overrated?

[ezco25]

Those bands can't be underrated if they're fucking terrible.

exactly why their underrated because they dont suck, none of them. y dont u go check them out and than come back and respond

[ezco25]

RHCP have more variety than any band on your underrated list (same with your overrated list, for that matter).

go check out the other bands....

[ezco25]

Also, you say that Green Day is one of the most overrated bands you listen to, yet you say "in my and a lot of others opinions, it was just ok". If it was a lot of others opinions, how are they that overrated?

because every1 still considers them amazing, but they neglect to accept how this last album went...

[Brokenhill]

exactly why their underrated because they dont suck, none of them. y dont u go check them out and than come back and respond

go check out the other bands....


Hahahahaha...who hasn't heard those bands?

[thesafeword]

exactly why their underrated because they dont suck, none of them. y dont u go check them out and than come back and respond
I've listened to all of those bands, they're horseshit.

[ezco25]

Hahahahaha...who hasn't heard those bands?

just because youve heard of them doesnt mean uve given them a shot

whats ur list of underrted and overrated? huh?

[ezco25]

I've listened to all of those bands, they're horseshit.

wats ur list? u have shitty taste of music

[thespearkid]

Fall Out Boy were never really punk.

[im1hxclover]

My favorite band out of all the ones you listed has gotta be The Offspring.

[thesafeword]

wats ur list? u have shitty taste of music
I do have a shitty taste in music.

[thesafeword]

Hahaha, Fall Out Boy is better than any of those bands that you're dryhumping.

[Brokenhill]

just because youve heard of them doesnt mean uve given them a shot

whats ur list of underrted and overrated? huh?

I've heard full albums from Good Charlotte, Hawthorne Heights, Sum 41, Three Days Grace, and Yellowcard plenty of times through. The only band on that list I haven't heard that much is +44.

The most overrated band I listen to (meaning regularly listen to) is probably Brand New...but I can think of other overrated bands but that depends on the cirumstance. The most underrated band I listen to is probably Interpol.

[jay_klinkhammer]

Hahaha, Fall Out Boy is better than any of those bands that you're dryhumping.


Dude, you're an asshole. Pretentious fuck. Give it up.

[Kid B]

because every1 still considers them amazing, but they neglect to accept how this last album went...
This is the case with tons of bands. Tons and tons and tons.

[thesafeword]

Dude, you're an asshole. Pretentious fuck. Give it up.
Oh, you sure told me off.

[recall reality]

Oh yes, very underrated bands, doomed to relative obscurity as a matter of fact.

[jay_klinkhammer]

I'll play...

Overrated:

The Get Up Kids - Amazing band, but not THE best "90's emo" band ever.

Blink 182 - Obvious

Jimmy Eat World - They have made some of the most beautiful songs but I don't think they have been strongly consistent through the years....but I could just be too harsh.

Something Corporate - Decent jams but not the best thing ever

Brand New: See Blink 182



Underrated:

mewithoutYou - Their first 3 full lengths were great all the way through, they deserved a lot more praise.

Mineral - My favorite band of all time. Kind of brought it on themselves by breaking up after their 2nd album.

The Forecast - They really SHOULD be receiving the same praise as All Time Low, The Maine, etc

Park (RIP) - "It Won't Snow Where You're Going" is one of the best albums I've ever heard.




I'm sure there is more, but that's just what I have now. If you disagree, then.....touche'.

[jay_klinkhammer]

Oh, you sure told me off.


You kept going at him for like 5 posts, get over it, ha.

[briewer]

Okay, you guys, as much as the originator of this thread sucks, the idea is kind of novel, so can we at least try to play nice? Just ignore that he thinks Sum 41 is underrated and post your own lists.

[Brokenhill]

Well these threads have been done 20 times before, so...

And this is AP: we don't play nice.

[ezco25]

Okay, you guys, as much as the originator of this thread sucks, the idea is kind of novel, so can we at least try to play nice? Just ignore that he thinks Sum 41 is underrated and post your own lists.

yea haha right, u may think they suck or whatever, but these are all opinions...
i love how 99 percnt of the time ppl quote eachother on ap its to bash the other person...

[ezco25]

Well these threads have been done 20 times before, so...

And this is AP: we don't play nice.

20,000 posts you have a life. no 1 in ur life probably likes u so u go on ap and bash as many people as you can to try to give ur self a dot of self esteem.

[murrich]

Who in your eyes, is the most overrated and unerrated bands you listen to


overrated:

All Time Low - wannabes, and every song sounds exactly the same
Fall Out Boy - i liked them when they were real punk , and when they werent sell outs...
underrated:

Angels and airwaves - does no one realize how creative they are

Good Charlotte - yes their last effort was more on the poppy song, but does anyone remember how big good charlotte used to be? does anyone remember two amazing punk albums they put out; The Chronicles Of Life And Death, and The Young And The Hopeless

Hawthorne Heights - their last album - did anyone even know it came out? i didnt hear one person ever speak about it, and it was pretty damn good

Lostprophets - dont you remember their big hit "last train home"? well everyone forgot about these dudes but these dudes from the uk really know how to make some good music; check out their last album "Liberation Transmission", new album out this fall

The Offspring - they are one of the biggest punk rock influences and are one of the most important punk bands of all time and they couldnt sell out the show i went to last week on 7/8/09 in NYC - WTF????

Silversun Pickups - their new album "swoon" is simple amazing, how were they forgotten after their big hit, "Lazy eye"

Sugarcult - Lights out, their last album was great - one of the best of that year (i think 06?) but no one even noticed it....

Sum 41 - these canadiens punks have lended some of their techniques to punk. theyve got amazing music all around, from, all killer no filler - underclass hero. does this look infected have to be one of my top 5 punk albums. and underclass hero got no credit, even in my eyes. it is looked at as a softer album but its not that soft... just a step down from the previous sum 41 albums...

Three Days Grace - one x was great, the 2 worst songs on the album (pain, never too late) became big radio hits. what about the rest of the album?

Yellowcard - they went on hiatus for around 6 months but now it appears as if they are back, this time dont let new music by them slip past your ears. no one notices how good yellowcard really is. Ocean Avenue was amazing all around, i just think no one even checked it out. Lights and sounds came out and so did paper walls with very little people even knowing... even from the people who did know about these two albums, the credit deserved, wasnt given to yellowcard. those last two albums were really good....

(+44) - mark hoppus and travis barker from blink 182 were in this band, and for some reason it didnt blow up.... their debut album was awesome... i dont think enough people noticed that.... too many people were anticipating a blink 182 sounding album, well this is +44 and its very good
thanks for reading, your opinions??

Why do you listen to All time Low if this is the case?
Fall Out Boy have never been punk.

None of those bands you posted are underrated, a lot of them don't have a big fan base because their music is trash.

[nlo13]

overrated- blink-182

underrated- buckethead

[Jake Denning]

Three Days Grace is absolutely one of the most terrible bands that have ever formed.

[Brokenhill]

20,000 posts you have a life. no 1 in ur life probably likes u so u go on ap and bash as many people as you can to try to give ur self a dot of self esteem.

Actually I rarely bash, but this time I felt I had to because you thought you knew what you were talking about.

[ezco25]

I'll play...

Overrated:

The Get Up Kids - Amazing band, but not THE best "90's emo" band ever.

Blink 182 - Obvious

Jimmy Eat World - They have made some of the most beautiful songs but I don't think they have been strongly consistent through the years....but I could just be too harsh.

Something Corporate - Decent jams but not the best thing ever

Brand New: See Blink 182



Underrated:

mewithoutYou - Their first 3 full lengths were great all the way through, they deserved a lot more praise.

Mineral - My favorite band of all time. Kind of brought it on themselves by breaking up after their 2nd album.

The Forecast - They really SHOULD be receiving the same praise as All Time Low, The Maine, etc

Park (RIP) - "It Won't Snow Where You're Going" is one of the best albums I've ever heard.




I'm sure there is more, but that's just what I have now. If you disagree, then.....touche'.


im going to have to agree with you on blink 182 and brand new as great as they both are... and jimmy eat world is a close shot becuase like u said, not consistent... but they do have a good amount of amazing ongs.... and mewithoutyou i was going to put on my list but i havent listened to all their albums enough to consider myself a real fan yet... but brother, sister was great... they were having a hard time selling tickets to a show last week with the dear hunter in brooklyn, for sure underrated

[briewer]

Overrated:
Arcade Fire
Elvis Presley
Fleet Foxes
Interpol
Kanye West
The Sex Pistols
The Shins

Underrated:
Abe Vigoda
Clinic
Dirty Projectors
Los Campesinos!
The Microphones
Pavement
Serge Gainsbourg
Talking Heads
Tom Waits
The Unicorns
XTC

[ezco25]

Fall Out Boy were never really punk.
back in the day... like their first or second album maybe? before anyone even heard of them...

[briewer]

Well these threads have been done 20 times before, so...

And this is AP: we don't play nice.

Oh I know, that's why I included the qualifying word 'try'.

[Brokenhill]

Oh I know, that's why I included the qualifying word 'try'.

Fair enough.

One of your overrated bands was my underrated band.

[ezco25]

Oh I know, that's why I included the qualifying word 'try'.

fatal goodbye he owns u so go suck his dick

[murrich]

Overrated:


Elliot Smith
Arcade Fire
Neutral Milk Hotel

Underrated:

16 Horsepower/Woven Hand
The Stooges (on this site)
Jens Lekman
Neil Young (on this site)

[briewer]

Fair enough.

One of your overrated bands was my underrated band.
I just noticed that. I was thinking more in terms of the Pitchfork crowd, but in this realm, where Sugarcult and Good Charlotte are apparently under appreciated as artists, they're definitely underrated.

[briewer]

fatal goodbye he owns u so go suck his dick
What the fuck are you talking about?

[ezco25]

What the fuck are you talking about?

thats to the other dude hah i quoted it wrong
basically u owned him before...

[briewer]

thats to the other dude hah i quoted it wrong
basically u owned him before...
I guess? It was more of a clarification than anything.

[thespearkid]

back in the day... like their first or second album maybe? before anyone even heard of them...
nope.

Overrated:


Elliot Smith
Arcade Fire
Neutral Milk Hotel

i demand an explanation.

[nlo13]

The Beatles are pretty overrated

[murrich]

nope.


i demand an explanation.


I enjoy them a lot, I just don't think they're as good as many people make them out to be.

Explanation: Some guy tried to tell me Elliot Smith was better than Nick Drake and Iron and Wine combined.

[thespearkid]

The Beatles are pretty overrated
and the thread just got retarded.

I enjoy them a lot, I just don't think they're as good as many people make them out to be.
neutral milk hotel is the foundation upon which indie rock is founded...

[nlo13]

and the thread just got retarded.

not so, i just love reactions.

[thespearkid]

not so, i just love reactions.
s'cool then. i can't stand arrogant scene jerkoffs who talk shit about the Beatles because they're too immature to understand them.

[vivian_vitality]

Underrated:
Brighten
Dr. Manhattan
This Century
Settings
Of Machines
and there's lots of others.

Overrated:
Im not too sure about. I probably have to think about it some more.

[softhands]

Who in your eyes, is the most overrated and unerrated bands you listen to


overrated:

All Time Low - wannabes, and every song sounds exactly the same
Fall Out Boy - i liked them when they were real punk , and when they werent sell outs...
Green Day - i know theyre amazing... but everyone talk about dookie and american idiot, what about their newest effort?? in my opinion and a lot of others opinions - its just ok
Red Hot Chilli Peppers - com on these guys really stink, every song sounds exactly the same


underrated:

Angels and airwaves - does no one realize how creative they are

Good Charlotte - yes their last effort was more on the poppy song, but does anyone remember how big good charlotte used to be? does anyone remember two amazing punk albums they put out; The Chronicles Of Life And Death, and The Young And The Hopeless

Hawthorne Heights - their last album - did anyone even know it came out? i didnt hear one person ever speak about it, and it was pretty damn good

Lostprophets - dont you remember their big hit "last train home"? well everyone forgot about these dudes but these dudes from the uk really know how to make some good music; check out their last album "Liberation Transmission", new album out this fall

The Offspring - they are one of the biggest punk rock influences and are one of the most important punk bands of all time and they couldnt sell out the show i went to last week on 7/8/09 in NYC - WTF????

Silversun Pickups - their new album "swoon" is simple amazing, how were they forgotten after their big hit, "Lazy eye"

Sugarcult - Lights out, their last album was great - one of the best of that year (i think 06?) but no one even noticed it....

Sum 41 - these canadiens punks have lended some of their techniques to punk. theyve got amazing music all around, from, all killer no filler - underclass hero. does this look infected have to be one of my top 5 punk albums. and underclass hero got no credit, even in my eyes. it is looked at as a softer album but its not that soft... just a step down from the previous sum 41 albums...

Three Days Grace - one x was great, the 2 worst songs on the album (pain, never too late) became big radio hits. what about the rest of the album?

Yellowcard - they went on hiatus for around 6 months but now it appears as if they are back, this time dont let new music by them slip past your ears. no one notices how good yellowcard really is. Ocean Avenue was amazing all around, i just think no one even checked it out. Lights and sounds came out and so did paper walls with very little people even knowing... even from the people who did know about these two albums, the credit deserved, wasnt given to yellowcard. those last two albums were really good....

(+44) - mark hoppus and travis barker from blink 182 were in this band, and for some reason it didnt blow up.... their debut album was awesome... i dont think enough people noticed that.... too many people were anticipating a blink 182 sounding album, well this is +44 and its very good

thanks for reading, your opinions??
Good Charlotte underrated?
Red Hot Chili Peppers overrated?
Sure. :hitself:

[nlo13]

underrated:

Angels and airwaves - does no one realize how creative they are

:hitself:

[eliselovesmusic]

Who in your eyes, is the most overrated and unerrated bands you listen to


overrated:

All Time Low - wannabes, and every song sounds exactly the same
Fall Out Boy - i liked them when they were real punk , and when they werent sell outs...
Green Day - i know theyre amazing... but everyone talk about dookie and american idiot, what about their newest effort?? in my opinion and a lot of others opinions - its just ok
Red Hot Chilli Peppers - com on these guys really stink, every song sounds exactly the same





I agree with your thoughts on ATL, Green Day, and RHCP (to a certain extent)

As for you comment on FOB: now that was just cliche and you know it.

Overrated:

Bob Dylan - yeah. I went there. I'm such a fan of his lyrics and how he uses his position as a 'rock star' for good, but honestly, his voice is... Imagine a cat being thrown off the Empire State building.

U2 - The Edge is not the greatest thing to happen to guitar. Bono is slightly pretentious and his voice is thinner
than water.


Underrated:

Fall Out Boy - everyone wants them to return to their original raw punk sound, but I commend them for showing good musicianship by changing their sound. Unlike Green Day and RHCP who release the exact same albums over and over, FOB have been willing to experiment and push themselves.

Cat Stevens - not so much underrated as forgotten. I actually rank him higher than the Beatles in the musical scheme of things

Creedence Clearwater Revival - Brilliant. The way the build their songs is just perfect

Shania Twain - Guilty pleasure. Although I'll admit, I only really got into her album Come on Over.

Avril Lavigne - Her album Let Go hit me like a tonne of bricks when I was 11yrs old. If only she'd return to being, well, more of an individual.

Marvin Gaye - One of the purest voices ever, yet I never hear him being mentioned as one of the greats.

[thespearkid]

Overrated:

Bob Dylan - yeah. I went there. I'm such a fan of his lyrics and how he uses his position as a 'rock star' for good, but honestly, his voice is... Imagine a cat being thrown off the Empire State building.

don't let David see that.

[itstheLaserRain]

overrated.
Dear and the Headlights. sorry guys. i just can't do it. like, they were even named the most important band of whatever place, and i was like, "...srsly?" i don't know why i can't get into them.


underrated.
Castledoor. no one but that one guy Klatzke (sp?) cares about that band and it sucks because they're fucking awesome. way better than DATH, imo.

...and then i get shot by angered AP users. :x

[thespearkid]

never listened to dear and the headlights.

[kazuma_ootaro28]

Overrated:
Brand New
Arcade Fire
The Mars Volta
Iron & Wine (I do love a large number of Sam's songs, but I am not big on his project as everyone else seems to be)

Underrated:
Mice Parade
Anadivine
Kaddisfly
Closure In Moscow (at least outside of AP.net)
Days Away
Foals
Josh Ritter
Mew
Royksopp (at least before their collaboration with Robyn, or maybe that Geico commercial)
Idlewild
Immoor
Behold... the Arctopus

There are hundreds of other bands I listen to that I would consider underrated.

[t1bmx]

overrated - any pop "punk" shit
underrated- fugazi, shellac, new bomb turks, beatsteaks

[Brokenhill]

I just noticed that. I was thinking more in terms of the Pitchfork crowd, but in this realm, where Sugarcult and Good Charlotte are apparently under appreciated as artists, they're definitely underrated.

Oh I could see how they might be by Pitchfork.

[goodnews]

overrated - any pop "punk" shit
underrated- fugazi, shellac, new bomb turks, beatsteaks
You obviously know nothing about pop-punk. Listen to Screeching Weasel and tell me that they're overrated.

[goodnews]

neutral milk hotel is the foundation upon which indie rock is founded...

Yes, they're great, but what you just said is highly debatable, and I don't agree with it at all.

[theguy77]

Who in your eyes, is the most overrated and unerrated bands you listen to


overrated:

All Time Low - wannabes, and every song sounds exactly the same
Fall Out Boy - i liked them when they were real punk , and when they werent sell outs...
Green Day - i know theyre amazing... but everyone talk about dookie and american idiot, what about their newest effort?? in my opinion and a lot of others opinions - its just ok
Red Hot Chilli Peppers - com on these guys really stink, every song sounds exactly the same


underrated:

Angels and airwaves - does no one realize how creative they are

Good Charlotte - yes their last effort was more on the poppy song, but does anyone remember how big good charlotte used to be? does anyone remember two amazing punk albums they put out; The Chronicles Of Life And Death, and The Young And The Hopeless

Hawthorne Heights - their last album - did anyone even know it came out? i didnt hear one person ever speak about it, and it was pretty damn good

Lostprophets - dont you remember their big hit "last train home"? well everyone forgot about these dudes but these dudes from the uk really know how to make some good music; check out their last album "Liberation Transmission", new album out this fall

The Offspring - they are one of the biggest punk rock influences and are one of the most important punk bands of all time and they couldnt sell out the show i went to last week on 7/8/09 in NYC - WTF????

Silversun Pickups - their new album "swoon" is simple amazing, how were they forgotten after their big hit, "Lazy eye"

Sugarcult - Lights out, their last album was great - one of the best of that year (i think 06?) but no one even noticed it....

Sum 41 - these canadiens punks have lended some of their techniques to punk. theyve got amazing music all around, from, all killer no filler - underclass hero. does this look infected have to be one of my top 5 punk albums. and underclass hero got no credit, even in my eyes. it is looked at as a softer album but its not that soft... just a step down from the previous sum 41 albums...

Three Days Grace - one x was great, the 2 worst songs on the album (pain, never too late) became big radio hits. what about the rest of the album?

Yellowcard - they went on hiatus for around 6 months but now it appears as if they are back, this time dont let new music by them slip past your ears. no one notices how good yellowcard really is. Ocean Avenue was amazing all around, i just think no one even checked it out. Lights and sounds came out and so did paper walls with very little people even knowing... even from the people who did know about these two albums, the credit deserved, wasnt given to yellowcard. those last two albums were really good....

(+44) - mark hoppus and travis barker from blink 182 were in this band, and for some reason it didnt blow up.... their debut album was awesome... i dont think enough people noticed that.... too many people were anticipating a blink 182 sounding album, well this is +44 and its very good

thanks for reading, your opinions??

hahahahahah what the fuck, was your dad the CEO of fuse 3 years ago?

[theguy77]

as for me every band i like is probably overrated.

[Takk...Ros]

I agree with your thoughts on ATL, Green Day, and RHCP (to a certain extent)

As for you comment on FOB: now that was just cliche and you know it.

Overrated:

Bob Dylan - yeah. I went there. I'm such a fan of his lyrics and how he uses his position as a 'rock star' for good, but honestly, his voice is... Imagine a cat being thrown off the Empire State building.

U2 - The Edge is not the greatest thing to happen to guitar. Bono is slightly pretentious and his voice is thinner
than water.


Underrated:

Fall Out Boy - everyone wants them to return to their original raw punk sound, but I commend them for showing good musicianship by changing their sound. Unlike Green Day and RHCP who release the exact same albums over and over, FOB have been willing to experiment and push themselves.

Cat Stevens - not so much underrated as forgotten. I actually rank him higher than the Beatles in the musical scheme of things

Creedence Clearwater Revival - Brilliant. The way the build their songs is just perfect

Shania Twain - Guilty pleasure. Although I'll admit, I only really got into her album Come on Over.

Avril Lavigne - Her album Let Go hit me like a tonne of bricks when I was 11yrs old. If only she'd return to being, well, more of an individual.

Marvin Gaye - One of the purest voices ever, yet I never hear him being mentioned as one of the greats.
Finally! I felt like I was the only person who felt that way about U2. I have never understood the hype. And good call on Marvin Gaye.
Overrated:
Brand New
Say Anything
Elliot Smith

Underrated:
Jack's Mannequin
Weaver At The Loom
You, Me, And Everyone We Know
Valencia
Panic!

[myplanforescape]

I agree with your thoughts on ATL, Green Day, and RHCP (to a certain extent)

As for you comment on FOB: now that was just cliche and you know it.

Overrated:

Bob Dylan - yeah. I went there. I'm such a fan of his lyrics and how he uses his position as a 'rock star' for good, but honestly, his voice is... Imagine a cat being thrown off the Empire State building.

U2 - The Edge is not the greatest thing to happen to guitar. Bono is slightly pretentious and his voice is thinner
than water.


Underrated:

Fall Out Boy - everyone wants them to return to their original raw punk sound, but I commend them for showing good musicianship by changing their sound. Unlike Green Day and RHCP who release the exact same albums over and over, FOB have been willing to experiment and push themselves.

Cat Stevens - not so much underrated as forgotten. I actually rank him higher than the Beatles in the musical scheme of things

Creedence Clearwater Revival - Brilliant. The way the build their songs is just perfect

Shania Twain - Guilty pleasure. Although I'll admit, I only really got into her album Come on Over.

Avril Lavigne - Her album Let Go hit me like a tonne of bricks when I was 11yrs old. If only she'd return to being, well, more of an individual.

Marvin Gaye - One of the purest voices ever, yet I never hear him being mentioned as one of the greats.

I see that line about the Red Hot Chili Peppers a lot on this site, and while I don't listen to them much anymore, I used to be a massive fan, and none of their albums really sound the same. Maybe someone else can explain it to me but I don't see how albums like Freaky Styly, Blood Sugar Sex Magic and By The Way all sound the same?

[ThisIsNotDan]

I've listened to all of those bands, they're horseshit except for Silversun Pickups.

better

[11:11]

Concerning the OP- the only thing you nailed was Silversun Pickups.

And to avoid argument, I'll just give an underrated band- Brandtson.

[ApricotChick]

Not a band, but I can't stand her and she's completely overrated..Taylor Swift. I just don't get the hype over her. Underrated... The Bridges. All I can think of right now, I'll post more when I think of them.

[Bluth]

overrated: brand new (at least in this community, i know few people irl who really like them), all time low.
underrated: alexi murdoch, blind pilot, lakes.

[whataclush]

overrated, Coldplay

underrated, A Perfect Circle

[aoftbsten]

Overrated- Butch Walker I listen to and enjoy a number of his tunes, but I really think he gets too much love.

Can't think of any underrated at the moment.

[michelle182]

How the fuck is NMH overrated? Definitely NOT.

OVERRATED:
All Time Low- They're not really that great musically/lyrically but they're a fun jam. But their fans make them out to be a REALLY fucking big deal when they're definitely not.

UNDERRATED-
Fall Out Boy- Someone said it earlier. The "sell out" remark is old and overused and even if you don't necessarily like their new sound just because it doesn't sound like TTTYG.... you have to give them credit, its good. They get credit from their 12 year old fans for anything they do but overall I don't think they get the credit they deserve from the people who used to be their fans. That's just my opinion though.

[IWasHerHorse]

Overrated:
Brand New
Arcade Fire
The Mars Volta
Iron & Wine (I do love a large number of Sam's songs, but I am not big on his project as everyone else seems to be)

Underrated:
Mice Parade
Anadivine
Kaddisfly
Closure In Moscow (at least outside of AP.net)
Days Away
Foals
Josh Ritter
Mew
Royksopp (at least before their collaboration with Robyn, or maybe that Geico commercial)
Idlewild
Immoor
Behold... the Arctopus

There are hundreds of other bands I listen to that I would consider underrated.

I agree with those, Mars Volta used to deserve all the praise they got.


Overrated: M. Ward

[DejaNew]

I've listened to all of those bands, they're horseshit.
They don't ALL suck. Some do though.

[sheslostcontrol]

OVERRATED: Probably Katy Perry, who's one of my guilty pleasures. Her voice is pretty damn bad if you think about it.
UNDERRATED: Fightstar and You Me At Six, they do pretty well in the UK, but they deserve to be noticed in more places. They're amazing!!!

[JamesAutumn]

overrated:Aerosmith - Half of their stuff is crap
Nirvana- Yeah yeah he was a good lyricist but what about other bands that helped the genre?
Green day - im just dissappointed in the new album i knew they couldnt top american idiot.

Underated: seether
saliva
good charlotte
limp bizkit
RA [ look them up if you have no clue!!!!!!!]
rise against
new found glory

[TakeLotsWithAlcohol]

Thread is funny.

:-)

[ApricotChick]

UNDERRATED-
Fall Out Boy- Someone said it earlier. The "sell out" remark is old and overused and even if you don't necessarily like their new sound just because it doesn't sound like TTTYG.... you have to give them credit, its good. They get credit from their 12 year old fans for anything they do but overall I don't think they get the credit they deserve from the people who used to be their fans. That's just my opinion though.

I completely agree.

[JamesAutumn]

Fall out boy fans ar ejust like any other fans once the bands get big they hate them. but when it comes down to it they are pretty good and i listen every now and then when i get the chance.

[ApricotChick]

OVERRATED: Probably Katy Perry, who's one of my guilty pleasures. Her voice is pretty damn bad if you think about it.
UNDERRATED: Fightstar and You Me At Six, they do pretty well in the UK, but they deserve to be noticed in more places. They're amazing!!!

I love me some Katy Perry. She doesn't have a great range, but she has a unique voice and you can't deny she is her own person. I was watching some acoustic videos of her, and was pleasantly surprised. She's a lot better at acoustics than she is when you see her on MTV or somewhere, you should watch some.

Rant: ENDED.

[Klatzke]

Those bands can't be underrated if they're fucking terrible.
Silversun Pickups "fucking sucks?"

[thesafeword]

Why would you put quotations around words that weren't exactly mine?

And no, I missed them. They're okay.

[mallrat37]

i only agree with that RHCP are overrated, and +44 is definately underrated. When Your Heart Stops Beating was an amazing album.

also: Johnny Cash is really overrated. He was a great song writer, but had a terrible voice.

[Klatzke]

Why would you put quotations around words that weren't exactly mine?

And no, I missed them. They're okay.
I just looked and paraphrased. Sorry about that. And I was hoping you weren't lumping them in with AVA, garbage, etc hah.

[anthonydarko]

OP's list is full of fail. No picture, video, or .gif could match the level of fail the list has achieved.

[maxvsmaradona]

Overrated: The Early November
Underrated: Bayside.

Bayside is fucking awesome.

[XSTAYGOLDX]

this thread is like taking crazy pills but IMO

most under rated is a loss for words

most over rated is say anything.

also OP is absolutely wrong. really? clearly he's never listened to a RHCP album. fall out boy was never "real punk" as much as i love them they've always been pop punk.

[FullCollaspe]

Underrated:

Wolf Parade
Rx Bandits
These Arms Are Snake

Overrated:
The Dangerous Summer
Circa Survive

[imahoodlum]

Overrated:
Bright Eyes (he's my absolute favorite and I'll be the first to admit he's overrated)

Underrated:
Why?

[happie]

Underrated:

Death From Above 1979
The Velvet Underground
Owen
American Football
Mineral
Braid
All
Funeral Diner
Love Like... Electrocution
Drive Like Jehu
Texas is the reason
The Promise Ring
Cap'n Jazz

[Klatzke]

Overrated: The Early November
Underrated: Bayside.

Bayside is fucking awesome.
Bayside is boring as hell.

[boxingwithstars]

Overrated:
Brand New (i love 'em, but i've never been big on all the hype)
The Starting Line

Underrated:
The Matches
The Gay Blades
Margot & The Nuclear So and So's

[PengusNiugnep]

Overrated (Don't get me wrong, I still like them, I just don't think they're the best bands ever):
Alkaline Trio
Bayside
Blink-182
Brand New
Less Than Jake
Midtown
Saves The Day
Something Corporate
Thrice

Underrated:
Carolina Liar
Cinematic Sunrise
Cute Is What We Aim For
Farewell
Final Fantasy
Houston Calls
The Hush Sound
Innerpartysystem
Mayday Parade
Relient K
Sparks The Rescue
There For Tomorrow
This Is Me Smiling
This Providence
Valencia
VersaEmerge
You, Me, And Everyone We Know

Don't kill me. :/

[imahoodlum]

Overrated:
Brand New (i love 'em, but i've never been big on all the hype)
The Starting Line

Underrated:
The Matches
The Gay Blades
Margot & The Nuclear So and So's
Yes. The Dust of Retreat is such a good album. I think them releasing a double album last year was kind of a bad move on their part, though. I do enjoy it though. Not nearly as enjoyable as Dust of Retreat, though.

[caveBEAR]

Overrated (Don't get me wrong, I still like them, I just don't think they're the best bands ever):
Alkaline Trio
Bayside
Blink-182
Brand New
Less Than Jake
Midtown
Saves The Day
Something Corporate
Thrice

Underrated:
Carolina Liar
Cinematic Sunrise
Cute Is What We Aim For
Farewell
Final Fantasy
Houston Calls
The Hush Sound
Innerpartysystem
Mayday Parade
Relient K
Sparks The Rescue
There For Tomorrow
This Is Me Smiling
This Providence
Valencia
VersaEmerge
You, Me, And Everyone We Know

Don't kill me. :/

Please tell me you're dyslexic...

[caveBEAR]

I'm not really sure what bands I listen to that I would call 'Overrated'...because I don't think I would really be into any bands that I think don't deserve my praise...but as for 'Underrated', there's plenty, but some bands that I have never seen get the love they deserve are Maxeen, Bodyjar, the Matches...you know, I need to go out and listen to my iPod for a bit to think of some more.

[jbertclassic]

Yes. The Dust of Retreat is such a good album. I think them releasing a double album last year was kind of a bad move on their part, though. I do enjoy it though. Not nearly as enjoyable as Dust of Retreat, though.

Love that album.

[duhpunk]

Over: (even if I'm a fan)
Jimmy Eat World
Thursday
The Get Up Kids

Under:
Dream Theater (at least on this site)
Unearth

[duhpunk]

overrated:Aerosmith - Half of their stuff is crap
Nirvana- Yeah yeah he was a good lyricist but what about other bands that helped the genre?
Green day - im just dissappointed in the new album i knew they couldnt top american idiot.

Underated: seether
saliva
good charlotte
limp bizkit
RA [ look them up if you have no clue!!!!!!!]
rise against
new found glory

let's take votes...

1. joke account
2. broken ears
3. broken head
4. brokenCYDE

[ezco25]

How the fuck is NMH overrated? Definitely NOT.

OVERRATED:
All Time Low- They're not really that great musically/lyrically but they're a fun jam. But their fans make them out to be a REALLY fucking big deal when they're definitely not.

UNDERRATED-
Fall Out Boy- Someone said it earlier. The "sell out" remark is old and overused and even if you don't necessarily like their new sound just because it doesn't sound like TTTYG.... you have to give them credit, its good. They get credit from their 12 year old fans for anything they do but overall I don't think they get the credit they deserve from the people who used to be their fans. That's just my opinion though.

atl for sure overrated...

and i wrote the sell out comment,.. and i agree with you on what you said... but i am a fan and always have been, but all the hype they receive... def. not great enough to receive it....

[ezco25]

overrated:Aerosmith - Half of their stuff is crap
Nirvana- Yeah yeah he was a good lyricist but what about other bands that helped the genre?
Green day - im just dissappointed in the new album i knew they couldnt top american idiot.

Underated: seether
saliva
good charlotte
limp bizkit
RA [ look them up if you have no clue!!!!!!!]
rise against
new found glory


Gday i agree....
good charlotte too....no 1 realizes how great their old albums are
seether for sure get the attention they deserve
rise against i would say gets what they deserve... but not underrrated.... theyre one of the biggest rock bands out there....
and new found glory def. isnt underrated as great as they are

[ezco25]

Why would you put quotations around words that weren't exactly mine?

And no, I missed them. They're okay.

your a moron, they are amazing - check out their latest album swoon
it is a masterpiece if you give it a shot

[tD77]

Although this whole concept of under/overrated is relative...

Under:
Memphis May Fire
The Sunstreak
You Me & Iowa
Celldweller

[ezco25]

i only agree with that RHCP are overrated, and +44 is definately underrated. When Your Heart Stops Beating was an amazing album.

also: Johnny Cash is really overrated. He was a great song writer, but had a terrible voice.

yes atleast u agree tht RHCP are overrated and+44 underrated...

[ezco25]

Overrated (Don't get me wrong, I still like them, I just don't think they're the best bands ever):
Alkaline Trio
Bayside
Blink-182
Brand New
Less Than Jake
Midtown
Saves The Day
Something Corporate
Thrice

Underrated:
Carolina Liar
Cinematic Sunrise
Cute Is What We Aim For
Farewell
Final Fantasy
Houston Calls
The Hush Sound
Innerpartysystem
Mayday Parade
Relient K
Sparks The Rescue
There For Tomorrow
This Is Me Smiling
This Providence
Valencia
VersaEmerge
You, Me, And Everyone We Know

Don't kill me. :/

thrice is def. not overrated... for anything underrated... and cute is what we aim for is not underrated at all - their last album? it gets old after 3 4 listens
there for tomorrow def. agreed...

[ezco25]

I'm not really sure what bands I listen to that I would call 'Overrated'...because I don't think I would really be into any bands that I think don't deserve my praise...but as for 'Underrated', there's plenty, but some bands that I have never seen get the love they deserve are Maxeen, Bodyjar, the Matches...you know, I need to go out and listen to my iPod for a bit to think of some more.

the matches i am pretty sure are on hiatus or something as of like last week....
sorry

[ezco25]

overrated: paramore, blink, green day :/

underrated: be your own pet, bayside

cant think more

i guess blink and gd r overrated - blink a dot....
and bayside is not underrated... im actually listening to "shudder" right now, i fucking love it... but untill the walking wounded lots of songs had the same sounds... they were huge even back than when they shldntve been...

[caveBEAR]

the matches i am pretty sure are on hiatus or something as of like last week....
sorry

Ha ha, I'm aware...

[caveBEAR]

i guess blink and gd r overrated - blink a dot....
and bayside is not underrated... im actually listening to "shudder" right now, i fucking love it... but untill the walking wounded lots of songs had the same sounds... they were huge even back than when they shldntve been...

What? The self-titled CD has just as much diversity in it's sounds as The Walking Wounded and Shudder. As a matter of fact...so does Sirens & Condolences.

[mymusicismylife]

Underrated: mewithoutYou, La Dispute

Overrated: Most bands on Warped Tour.

[PengusNiugnep]

thrice is def. not overrated... for anything underrated... and cute is what we aim for is not underrated at all - their last album? it gets old after 3 4 listens
there for tomorrow def. agreed...
Well, for Thrice I've only heard The Alchemy Index (all 4 parts, except for like 3 songs that I'm randomly missing). I think it's good, but I just didn't get the hype. Is their previous stuff worth checking out? Any tracks in particular?

[caveBEAR]

Ooh! I forgot as well...Audio Karate. Lady Melody was a criminally underrated album. I still spin it about once a week.


As for Thrice, everything from The Artist and the Ambulance on is a pretty sure bet, and their older stuff has some gems in there as well.

[eliselovesmusic]

overrated:Aerosmith - Half of their stuff is crap
Nirvana- Yeah yeah he was a good lyricist but what about other bands that helped the genre?
Green day - im just dissappointed in the new album i knew they couldnt top american idiot.

Underated: seether
saliva
good charlotte
limp bizkit
RA [ look them up if you have no clue!!!!!!!]
rise against
new found glory


I agree with the overrated ones, but as for underrated?
You gotta be kidding me.
They're about as overrated as it gets.

[CalRahhh]

I'm guessing Brand New for overrated, though I love them. Underrated I'm gonna say Johnny Truant.

[t1bmx]

You obviously know nothing about pop-punk. Listen to Screeching Weasel and tell me that they're overrated.

They are a punk band little boy, before pop punk u moron!

[caveBEAR]

They are a punk band little boy, before pop punk u moron!

Screeching Weasel were part of the first wave of pop-punk, what the hell are you talking about? They pretty much define the classic pop-punk sound.

[murrich]

I'm guessing Brand New for overrated, though I love them. Underrated I'm gonna say Johnny Truant.

Bathurst eh? I'm from Orange, weird to see someone so close on this site.

On topic, Harry Nilsson is underrated.

[Heart-A-Tact]

Hot Rod Circuit is pretty painfully underrated.

[WhitestKidUKnow]

overrated: brand new

underrated: pistolita

pistolita is underrated as fuck.

[AndrewIcex]

This thread has moments where it just blows my mind.. like some of the statements.. Specifically.. where RHCP's albums all sound the same? Just go through each and every album, and take a good listen, its all different.. And if you think it all sounds the same cause of the most recent years from Californication/By The Way/SA? They all are different albums, clearly, and even if you think they were similar in song style.. they were definitely different.. give them all a few spins one after another.. and you'll see it.. and even if you think they took a step down with their last album [Stadium Arcadium] (cause a lot seem to think they did, though I disagree), its still not the same as By The Way and Californication.. I mean come on now..

Now, since that short rant is out of the way..

Overrated - Kings Of Leon (How they got as big as they are.. is beyond me?) or A Day To Remember

Underrated - Acceptance (Not so much on Ap.net but outside of here.. yeah, way underrated) or Death From Above 1979

[Heart-A-Tact]

overrated: brand new

underrated: pistolita

pistolita is underrated as fuck.

I saw those guys live years ago and they were fucking great.

[mallrat37]

This thread has moments where it just blows my mind.. like some of the statements.. Specifically.. where RHCP's albums all sound the same? Just go through each and every album, and take a good listen, its all different.. And if you think it all sounds the same cause of the most recent years from Californication/By The Way/SA? They all are different albums, clearly, and even if you think they were similar in song style.. they were definitely different.. give them all a few spins one after another.. and you'll see it.. and even if you think they took a step down with their last album [Stadium Arcadium] (cause a lot seem to think they did, though I disagree), its still not the same as By The Way and Californication.. I mean come on now..

Now, since that short rant is out of the way..

Overrated - Kings Of Leon (How they got as big as they are.. is beyond me?) or A Day To Remember

Underrated - Acceptance (Not so much on Ap.net but outside of here.. yeah, way underrated) or Death From Above 1979

it is very simple. people will praise anything that even mentions sex.

[AndrewIcex]

it is very simple. people will praise anything that even mentions sex.
Maybe so, but it definitely does not mean they are as good as everyone thinks they are.. I mean outside this site mainly, like.. I hear about them all the time at work and shit, it is getting old, quick.

[bradnewman]

Overrated:
Arcade Fire
Elvis Presley
Fleet Foxes
Interpol
Kanye West
The Sex Pistols
The Shins

Underrated:
Abe Vigoda
Clinic
Dirty Projectors
Los Campesinos!
The Microphones
Pavement
Serge Gainsbourg
Talking Heads
Tom Waits
The Unicorns
XTC

lol totally agree.

[nkalldayyy]

overrated -
new found glory
all time low
arcade fire
brand new
the early november

underrated -
fall out boy (in terms of songwriting)
the postal service
the ghost inside
the sleeping
desaparecidos
city and colour
all get out
as cities burn

[Charles777]

I disagree with so much of your list it's not even funny

[Poe-tryGirl]

Hawthorne Heights's last album was awful! It's not like they were pretty awesome to begin with. I listen to them occasionally though.

[GeeBee]

Actually I rarely bash, but this time I felt I had to because you thought you knew what you were talking about.

Say's the biblical-literalist, think-I'm-god's-mouthpiece, john-the-baptist-wannabe.

[GeeBee]

Dunno why it took so long for this thread to mention:

UNDERRATED- Minus the Bear- Not one bad song. Talented as hell. Amazing live.
Damiera- Full of talent, work-horses, and techy as hell. A new direction =/= fail.
OVERRATED- Manchester Orchestra- I've tried. I don't get it.
Brand New- I've tried. Boring.
Mars Volta- Completely unfocused talent is not as good as focused talent.

[Brokenhill]

Say's the biblical-literalist, think-I'm-god's-mouthpiece, john-the-baptist-wannabe.

Right, wrong, wrong.

Clever though.

[Mibabalou]

over rated - jesus

under rated - new coke

[WhoSaidThat?]

This thread owes me some brain cells.

[ezco25]

Underrated: mewithoutYou, La Dispute

Overrated: Most bands on Warped Tour.

ahhh mewithoutyou!

and totally agreed kevin lyman is a fucked up dude

[ezco25]

Well, for Thrice I've only heard The Alchemy Index (all 4 parts, except for like 3 songs that I'm randomly missing). I think it's good, but I just didn't get the hype. Is their previous stuff worth checking out? Any tracks in particular?

im not a hardcore thrice fan so wont make it like i am...
all their albums are so diverse so if youre expecting alchemy index in the old albums you wont really find it....
but def. check their older albums out....

i would chek out
first The Artist In The Ambulance
2nd vheissu
3rdThe Illusion Of Safety
4th identity crisis

i guess in that order....

really good different stuff....

let me know if you listen an like...
o and btw new album out this fall

[ezco25]

Hot Rod Circuit is pretty painfully underrated.


hell yea to that, i was going to right them but i dont fully know all their albums... the last one was great though

[ezco25]

overrated -
new found glory
all time low
arcade fire
brand new
the early november

underrated -
fall out boy (in terms of songwriting)
the postal service
the ghost inside
the sleeping
desaparecidos
city and colour
all get out
as cities burn

agreed NFG, ATL, bran new overrated...
i dont agree with your though on fall out boy but what r u doing later? wna get a drink? haha jk i love ur thought on all get out and as cities burn... i started listening to all get out when i heard they were playing on the manchester orchestra tour in december.... very good stuff
and as cities burn i randomly got their new cd and seriously for the last 3 ive been listening to it like several times a week. it is a masterpiece
but also u cant call them underrated... very few people know them.... but that doesnt mean theyre underrated that just means no one knows them....

[ezco25]

Hawthorne Heights's last album was awful! It's not like they were pretty awesome to begin with. I listen to them occasionally though.

i dont know i thought it was a pretty good album without the screaming....

[tD77]

Dunno why it took so long for this thread to mention:

UNDERRATED- Minus the Bear- Not one bad song. Talented as hell. Amazing live.
Damiera- Full of talent, work-horses, and techy as hell. A new direction =/= fail.
OVERRATED- Manchester Orchestra- I've tried. I don't get it.
Brand New- I've tried. Boring.
Mars Volta- Completely unfocused talent is not as good as focused talent.

Heavily agree.

[GeeBee]

Heavily agree.

:buddies:

[lolligurl159]

Overrated:
New Found Glory-they honestly aren't as great as every says they are.
All Time Low-as much as I like them, their songs really are all the same, and they don't have any deep meanings or anything special, and really, a huge reason they are so famous is because of the girls drooling over them.

[alexa_ATL]

overrated:
fall out boy - everything after FUCT is OVERATTED bullshit. i'll prob get shit for that, but i don't care;) the songwriting isn't even comendable anymore. it's good, just not like it used to be. i know every album can't be like TTTYG, but i didn't expect the clusterfuck the last album was. it seemed unfocused and all over the place.
bright eyes - as much as i love conor, and as much talent he has, he's gotten a little overatted.

underatted:
the kooks - never hear people on here talk about them, great band. these are guys that know how to play their instruments and play them well
the pink spiders - throwback kind of music, reminds me of the late 60's/early 70's. they're talented and fresh, i don't know any other bands that are really like them.

[asTallasCliffs]

Overrated:
Bloc Party: I love them, but the credit they recieve is sometimes more than they deserve
Brand New: Their recorded stuff is good, I listen to it often, but they don't have nearly as much talent as some people claim. and live? they absolutely suck, and I mainly judge bands by how they preform live.
(And then you have... Green Day, Blink-182, Fall Out Boy, All Time Low, Hawthorne Heights, none of which need an explanation.)

Underrated:
Margot and the Nuclear So and So's: Amazing talent, and such a promising hard working band. I have yet to be disappointed with any of their work.
As Tall As Lions: Great band and great songs, "Into The Flood" gives me great hope for the bands future.
Edison Glass: Constantly changing and improving, I started out liking them, and now I absolutely love them.
Dear and the Headlights

[ezco25]

:buddies:

haha lmao thts a cute thingy

[ezco25]

overrated:
fall out boy - everything after FUCT is OVERATTED bullshit. i'll prob get shit for that, but i don't care;) the songwriting isn't even comendable anymore. it's good, just not like it used to be. i know every album can't be like TTTYG, but i didn't expect the clusterfuck the last album was. it seemed unfocused and all over the place.
bright eyes - as much as i love conor, and as much talent he has, he's gotten a little overatted.

underatted:
the kooks - never hear people on here talk about them, great band. these are guys that know how to play their instruments and play them well
the pink spiders - throwback kind of music, reminds me of the late 60's/early 70's. they're talented and fresh, i don't know any other bands that are really like them.

fall out boy, took the words right out of my mouth
i wish gay marriage were legal haah jk

[PengusNiugnep]

overrated:
fall out boy - everything after FUCT is OVERATTED bullshit. i'll prob get shit for that, but i don't care;) the songwriting isn't even comendable anymore. it's good, just not like it used to be. i know every album can't be like TTTYG, but i didn't expect the clusterfuck the last album was. it seemed unfocused and all over the place.
bright eyes - as much as i love conor, and as much talent he has, he's gotten a little overatted.

underatted:
the kooks - never hear people on here talk about them, great band. these are guys that know how to play their instruments and play them well
the pink spiders - throwback kind of music, reminds me of the late 60's/early 70's. they're talented and fresh, i don't know any other bands that are really like them.
I don't agree about Fall Out Boy and I've never listened to Bright Eyes. However, I agree 100% on both underrated bands. They're both awesome, and I don't know why more people don't listen to them.

[tfar06]

under: deftones, mew, saxon shore, book of black earth
over: coldplay, mars volta, brand new, nas

[cirerelleum]

are we talking overrated on this site? or to the rest of the world?

[boxingwithstars]

Overrated (Don't get me wrong, I still like them, I just don't think they're the best bands ever):
Alkaline Trio
Bayside
Blink-182
Brand New
Less Than Jake
Midtown
Saves The Day
Something Corporate
Thrice

Underrated:
Carolina Liar
Cinematic Sunrise
Cute Is What We Aim For
Farewell
Final Fantasy
Houston Calls
The Hush Sound
Innerpartysystem
Mayday Parade
Relient K
Sparks The Rescue
There For Tomorrow
This Is Me Smiling
This Providence
Valencia
VersaEmerge
You, Me, And Everyone We Know

Don't kill me. :/

Thrice is definitely not overrated. i agree that Something Corporate is overrated sometimes (even though they are my favorite band) especially in terms of their earlier material. i don't think North is overrated, but LTTW definitely is at times.

YMAEWK is definitely underrated. CIWWAF on the other hand... no, they are awful.

Yes. The Dust of Retreat is such a good album. I think them releasing a double album last year was kind of a bad move on their part, though. I do enjoy it though. Not nearly as enjoyable as Dust of Retreat, though.

i enjoyed Animal!/Not Animal, but i really couldn't get into either one as much as i did with their first album. still an amazing group, nonetheless. they don't get enough praise around here.

[nkalldayyy]

agreed NFG, ATL, bran new overrated...
i dont agree with your though on fall out boy but what r u doing later? wna get a drink? haha jk i love ur thought on all get out and as cities burn... i started listening to all get out when i heard they were playing on the manchester orchestra tour in december.... very good stuff
and as cities burn i randomly got their new cd and seriously for the last 3 ive been listening to it like several times a week. it is a masterpiece
but also u cant call them underrated... very few people know them.... but that doesnt mean theyre underrated that just means no one knows them....



lol thanks. I love as cities burn, I only had the opportunity to see them once, with emery. but they totally hold it down live.

and i seen all get out on that tour with manchester too! they came to the northstar bar in philly. i have to say they're music projects a lot better live than it does recorded. I'd kill to see them again though.

as for brand new, i'm a huge fan. I'm just really bitter about their live performance. I love their latest album more than anything, it's probably one of my favorite albums all-time, but if you can't pull it off live its worthless. they're all super talented, especially jesse, but they've turned into a bunch of junkies and i'm not gonna pay twenty or thirty dollars to go see that. =/

[Derka Derka]

Overrated:
Bloc Party: I love them, but the credit they recieve is sometimes more than they deserve
Brand New: Their recorded stuff is good, I listen to it often, but they don't have nearly as much talent as some people claim. and live? they absolutely suck, and I mainly judge bands by how they preform live.
(And then you have... Green Day, Blink-182, Fall Out Boy, All Time Low, Hawthorne Heights, none of which need an explanation.)

Underrated:
Margot and the Nuclear So and So's: Amazing talent, and such a promising hard working band. I have yet to be disappointed with any of their work.
As Tall As Lions: Great band and great songs, "Into The Flood" gives me great hope for the bands future.
Edison Glass: Constantly changing and improving, I started out liking them, and now I absolutely love them.
Dear and the Headlights

edison glass is awesome
first time i heard them was when i saw them play at a local venue with my friends band. they're so good live

[MrOctober430]

Overrated (Don't get me wrong, I still like them, I just don't think they're the best bands ever):
Alkaline Trio
Bayside
Blink-182
Brand New
Less Than Jake
Midtown
Saves The Day
Something Corporate
Thrice

Underrated:
Carolina Liar
Cinematic Sunrise
Cute Is What We Aim For
Farewell
Final Fantasy
Houston Calls
The Hush Sound
Innerpartysystem
Mayday Parade
Relient K
Sparks The Rescue
There For Tomorrow
This Is Me Smiling
This Providence
Valencia
VersaEmerge
You, Me, And Everyone We Know

Don't kill me. :/

i actually think bayside is underrated. but agree with most of your underrated list.

[Thriftstoresuit]

I could be way off here, but it would be nice to see Okkervil River and Margot & the Nuclear So and So's get more love.
the Forecast too, for that matter

[ThePartialGlow]

I could be way off here, but it would be nice to see Okkervil River and Margot & the Nuclear So and So's get more love.
the Forecast too, for that matter

Agreed.

[realt]

overrated:
Bring me The Horizon-i know i'm gonna catch shit for it but i don't see what makes them unique/special. (but then again i haven't listened to them a lot am i judging them negatively too quickly?)
3OH!3 - ALL THEIR SONGS SOUND THE SAME (granted ok music to have on at a party...still not a fan)
Cobra Starship-they just suck (and gabe used to write good music with a meaning and purpose? weird to see what he's become)

underrated:
Therefore I am- these guys are on the rise now but they're so good!
Honor Bright-not that big but also making moves. really solid pop-punk band
Fireworks- i have a feeling this band will be really big soon though. another solid pop-punk band

[realt]

Overrated (Don't get me wrong, I still like them, I just don't think they're the best bands ever):
Alkaline Trio
Bayside
Blink-182
Brand New
Less Than Jake
Midtown
Saves The Day
Something Corporate
Thrice

Underrated:
Carolina Liar
Cinematic Sunrise
Cute Is What We Aim For
Farewell
Final Fantasy
Houston Calls
The Hush Sound
Innerpartysystem
Mayday Parade
Relient K
Sparks The Rescue
There For Tomorrow
This Is Me Smiling
This Providence
Valencia
VersaEmerge
You, Me, And Everyone We Know

Don't kill me. :/

the ones i bolded and made huge i completely agree with

[raysays]

back in the day... like their first or second album maybe? before anyone even heard of them...

Fall Out Boy has been and forever will be pop-punk, or arguably just pop. Ask anyone who is a fan of true "punk", will tell you it sounds nothing like FOB.

Don't get me wrong I actually enjoy their music, but just thought that needed a blatant correction.


Overated
Bruce Springsteen (sorry folks I can't stand the boss, I mean come on he refers to him-self in the third person)

Underated
Any legitmate effort or attempt to create great music that the general public (beyond those of AP.net) will never hear.
- The Format would be a great example ;-)

[evvandflow]

underrated:
Therefore I am- these guys are on the rise now but they're so good!
Honor Bright-not that big but also making moves. really solid pop-punk band
Fireworks- i have a feeling this band will be really big soon though. another solid pop-punk band

I definitely agree with therefore i am and fireworks.

[michelle182]

Fall Out Boy has been and forever will be pop-punk, or arguably just pop. Ask anyone who is a fan of true "punk", will tell you it sounds nothing like FOB.

Don't get me wrong I actually enjoy their music, but just thought that needed a blatant correction.


Overated
Bruce Springsteen (sorry folks I can't stand the boss, I mean come on he refers to him-self in the third person)

Underated
Any legitmate effort or attempt to create great music that the general public (beyond those of AP.net) will never hear.
- The Format would be a great example ;-)
I agree SO much with The Format. They were so underappreciated.

[zonto]

I don't have any bands in my eyes OP... Sorry.

[thefaceless]

overrated
all time low
Fall Out Boy (i like them fine, just think they're overrated)
Reel Big Fish (there is much better and more innovative ska out there, trust me)
Death Cab for Cutie (The Postal Service too)
TDWP (generic, crappy, christian hardcore at its worst)
Chiodos
underrated
Placebo
Portishead
The Bravery (he has some surprisingly good lyrics)

[imahoodlum]

Thrice is definitely not overrated. i agree that Something Corporate is overrated sometimes (even though they are my favorite band) especially in terms of their earlier material. i don't think North is overrated, but LTTW definitely is at times.

YMAEWK is definitely underrated. CIWWAF on the other hand... no, they are awful.



i enjoyed Animal!/Not Animal, but i really couldn't get into either one as much as i did with their first album. still an amazing group, nonetheless. they don't get enough praise around here.
I enjoy Not Amimal! more than Animal. I tend to listen just that album. But I still think Dust of Retreat was their best. And I don't think you'll hardly find anyone who thinks differently.

[michelle182]

overrated
all time low
Fall Out Boy (i like them fine, just think they're overrated)
Reel Big Fish (there is much better and more innovative ska out there, trust me)
Death Cab for Cutie (The Postal Service too)
TDWP (generic, crappy, christian hardcore at its worst)
Chiodos
underrated
Placebo
Portishead
The Bravery (he has some surprisingly good lyrics)
I agree SO much with TDWP. I fail to see the thing that makes them so great. They sound like every other wannabe scene-hardcore band out there, in my opinion.

[DejaNew]

Overrated (Don't get me wrong, I still like them, I just don't think they're the best bands ever):
Alkaline Trio
Bayside
Blink-182
Brand New
Less Than Jake
Midtown
Saves The Day
Something Corporate
Thrice

Underrated:
Carolina Liar
Cinematic Sunrise
Cute Is What We Aim For
Farewell
Final Fantasy
Houston Calls
The Hush Sound
Innerpartysystem
Mayday Parade
Relient K
Sparks The Rescue
There For Tomorrow
This Is Me Smiling
This Providence
Valencia
VersaEmerge
You, Me, And Everyone We Know

Don't kill me. :/
Wow. Your entire list is backwards. Except for Valencia.

[YourTakeItAll]

Bullet for my valentine, All Time Low,We The Kings would be my most favorite overrated bands. I know theyre completly mainstream but I love them.

Underrated bands... hmm...
I'd say glasseater, Vampiria, and The Bravery.
I really don't know alot of those fans...maybe one or two.

[OhHopeh]

Overrated:
All Time Low - The new album is okay, but I really like the older ones loads more, the lyrics meant more.

Underrated:
The Friday Night Boys - Ehh. Not many people I know listen to them, I don't know about here because I'm obviously new here, but not very well known and the writing is brilliant. I think they'll come up to be a really good band.
Sugarcult - Brilliant album with "Lights Out", I love the lyrics, they were one of the first Alternative bands I listened to. Again, not many of my friends listen to them.

[lprox182]

Moving Mountains is so fucking underrated it's rediculous, they're incredible
overrated would have to be Metro Station, they don't even play their instruments live :/

[schenksta]

Overrated:
Chiodos- Bone Palace Ballet sucked

Underrated:
Madina Lake- They get a lot of shit on this website, but they really do write some solid, catchy songs (or at least they used to)

[spazmonkey]

Overrated:
Short Stack (they're Aussie, so I don't know if ya'll know them, but they're shit personified)
Millionaires (even though everyone hates them, they should've never gotten big enough to even enter our lives)
Katy Perry (although she's totally a guilty pleasure of mine, and she has some amazing pop songs, the rest of the album sucks. She can't do variety.)
Kraftwerk (I know they pioneered a lot of synth work and whatever, but damn they shit me.)
RATM (Good, but not the life changing experience it was meant to be.)

Underrated:
Paper Route (Perfect mix of machine and man)
The Flaming Tsunamis (Although I don't love every song of theirs, when they get it right they mix hardcore and ska perfectly into pure awesomeness)
Trenton
The Hotel Charlie

[caveBEAR]

Overrated:
All Time Low - The new album is okay, but I really like the older ones loads more, the lyrics meant more.

Underrated:
The Friday Night Boys - Ehh. Not many people I know listen to them, I don't know about here because I'm obviously new here, but not very well known and the writing is brilliant. I think they'll come up to be a really good band.
Sugarcult - Brilliant album with "Lights Out", I love the lyrics, they were one of the first Alternative bands I listened to. Again, not many of my friends listen to them.

I never really gave this album a shot until recently, and it's not bad at all. Beats Palm Trees and Power Lines, IMO. Doesn't come close to Start Static, though. That's a killer album.

[doppelganger]

lostprophets has stated that they hate their song last train home and thought it was ridiculous. of course, it became the only radio hit in america. your underrated bands are extremely not good. your list is really embarassing

[kearn1tm]

"Overrated?"

Seriously. What the fuck are you talking about? Who is rating these things by which you can claim that it is being done overtly so? What is the relationship between you calling something "overrated" and your opinion of it? Are you simply claiming that your opinion differs from a majority of critics or opinions? Because if so, you're not actually making a claim about what you are talking about; rather, you're simply claiming that you are among a minority who doesn't like a thing as much as other people (as if it were either / or in the first place). Which is to say, who gives a fuck? Do you not have any real critical prowess? I can't think of a more empty, meaningless term attempting to criticize something.

[caveBEAR]

...and the train just pulled into the first gate in Serioustown.

[kearn1tm]

...and the train just pulled into the first gate in Serioustown.

Then we have all those people bitching about "there's an utter lack of serious discourse in the music thread." If any of those people use the phrase "overrated," they have no grounds on which to base such a comment.

[caveBEAR]

Then we have all those people bitching about "there's an utter lack of serious discourse in the music thread." If any of those people use the phrase "overrated," they have no grounds on which to base such a comment.

I am waaaaaaay too many drinks in to understand that. Damn these train stations in Serioustown. Who puts liquor stores in train stations?

[kearn1tm]

Underrated:
Abe Vigoda
Clinic
Dirty Projectors
Los Campesinos!
The Microphones
Pavement
Serge Gainsbourg
Talking Heads
Tom Waits
The Unicorns
XTC

All of these artists "underrated?" They're all critically claimed and praised. Just because the mainstream doesn't necessarily embrace or know of The Microphones doesn't mean Pavement isn't beloved by any music critic to ever write a review or Tom Waits isn't adored by any serious musician or Histoire de Melody Nelson isn't one of the most name-dropped albums by record-store employees.

Threads like these are merely "namedrop cred bands" or "bands I like and don't like."

[WakeUpBlondie]

Overrated- Blink 182
Underrated- Augustana

[GoWaitInTheCar]

Underrated :

WHY?
Tom Waits
Two Gallants
The Afghan Whigs

[briewer]

All of these artists "underrated?" They're all critically claimed and praised.
Obviously. Critics know what they're talking about for the most part, and will praise things that are worthy of it. If we were to go off of "things critics hate", we'd be pretty much left with nothing that didn't suck.

Just because the mainstream doesn't necessarily embrace or know of The Microphones doesn't mean Pavement isn't beloved by any music critic to ever write a review or Tom Waits isn't adored by any serious musician or Histoire de Melody Nelson isn't one of the most name-dropped albums by record-store employees.
Are you suggesting I insinuated a correlation between the mainstream acceptance of the Microphones and the status of the rest of these bands with critics and the musically literate? Because that certainly what it seems like.

Threads like these are merely "namedrop cred bands" or "bands I like and don't like."
I simply chose bands that I like that I thought were overrated or underrated. I like them regardless of whether they're a fucking "namedrop" or not.

Obviously for a band to gain some form of mainstream recognition, people have to think they are good. U2 didn't become the biggest band in the world because everyone thought they sucked. Record executives thought they were good, distributors thought they were good, radio stations thought they were good, and the general public agreed, bought their CDs, spread the word, etc. Obviously I don't expect this for most of the bands I listed. I mean, seriously, how many people do you know that listen to Clinic, Abe Vigoda, or the Unicorns? But these same people that don't know them know about Interpol, The Arcade Fire, and The Shins. Why? Because those succeeding three are so much better than the preceding three? Fuck no. Somewhere along the line, in whatever convoluted way music information gets out, someone thought that Clinic, Abe Vigoda, and The Unicorns weren't worth their time. They thought that these three (overrated) deserved more airtime, coverspace, mentions, whatever, than these three (underrated). You can include the Microphones in this category too. I mean, No Age and HEALTH came from the same general area and constantly play at the same fucking venue as Abe Vigoda, and yet everyone knows who they are but no one has ever heard of Abe Vigoda. That is what I mean when I say underrated.

As far as Pavement, Gainsbourg, Talking Heads, Waits, and XTC, who were already fairly big in their day, I just think they deserved to become galactically huge. If everyone knows the words to every song off of The Blue Album, there's no reason they shouldn't be that familiar with Pavement as well. If everyone knows Elvis Costello, The Human League, and New Order, they should know XTC and Talking Heads as well. And Gainsbourg and Waits should be staples of music, not castoffs living on the dregs as they are currently treated.

As far as Dirty Projectors and Los Campesinos! are concerned, they have had a cooler relationship with critics. Your "pure" underrated artists, I guess. You can add the Fiery Furnaces to that list too. Also, I went to buy Bitte Orca at Best Buy on the Tuesday morning it was released before heading off to work, and they only had two copies of it. Two fucking copies of the only album I've really looked forward to this entire year, and the only one I've actually paid for thus far. That's what I'm talking about when I mean "underrated".

[Grub]

overrated:
Nickelback
Green day
Fall out boy
all american rejects
3 doors down
Blink 182
Good charlotte
Linkin Park
Rage aganist the machine
papa roach
plain white ts
chevelle

Underrated:
Dance gavin dance
Of machines
Circa Survive
dredg
emarosa
Misery signals
National product
secret and whisper
versaemerge
the graduate
god is an astronaut
codeseven

[dancerdancer]

okay, these are bands that i LISTEN to. so they may be overrated and all, but i still like them.

paramore
fallout boy
panic at the disco
kanye west
i set my friends on fire (i mean, it's funny and all, but doesn't have any quality)
nevershoutnever

and the underrated:
beirut
yann tiersen
final fantasy
keane (how come NO ONE i know likes them?)
emery
dance gavin dance
circa survive
city and colour

[briewer]

Overrated:
Short Stack (they're Aussie, so I don't know if ya'll know them, but they're shit personified)
Millionaires (even though everyone hates them, they should've never gotten big enough to even enter our lives)
Katy Perry (although she's totally a guilty pleasure of mine, and she has some amazing pop songs, the rest of the album sucks. She can't do variety.)
Kraftwerk (I know they pioneered a lot of synth work and whatever, but damn they shit me.)
RATM (Good, but not the life changing experience it was meant to be.)

Underrated:
Paper Route (Perfect mix of machine and man)
The Flaming Tsunamis (Although I don't love every song of theirs, when they get it right they mix hardcore and ska perfectly into pure awesomeness)
Trenton
The Hotel Charlie
Boo.

[kearn1tm]

Obviously. Critics know what they're talking about for the most part, and will praise things that are worthy of it. If we were to go off of "things critics hate", we'd be pretty much left with nothing that didn't suck.

How can a band be "underrated" when everyone who knows them rate them highly? You've confused "underrated" for "relatively obscure" or "unknown to most."

I simply chose bands that I like that I thought were overrated or underrated. I like them regardless of whether they're a fucking "namedrop" or not.
Oh. Well, you're wrong then. None of those bands are "underrated" in the slightest.

I mean, seriously, how many people do you know that listen to Clinic, Abe Vigoda, or the Unicorns?
Is this rhetorical? If it's not, many. However, my niche group of friends are equally-obnoxious, Pitchfork obsessed pseudo-hipsters just like me. Regardless, it doesn't matter how many people know of these bands (but Abe Vigoda is pretty big and they're signed to a major label). It's impossible to be underrated if nearly everyone who "rates" you does so positively.

But these same people that don't know them know about Interpol, The Arcade Fire, and The Shins. Why? Because those succeeding three are so much better than the preceding three? Fuck no. Somewhere along the line, in whatever convoluted way music information gets out, someone thought that Clinic, Abe Vigoda, and The Unicorns weren't worth their time.
Incorrect. The reason Abe Vigoda isn't as big as Interpol is clearly, their music is much more esoteric than the accessible Post-Punk/Radio-Alternative of Interpol. The Shins retro Surf-Pop sound is much more mainstream-friendly than The Microphones. It's not that anyone felt Clinic wasn't "worth their time," it's that labels felt The Shins had a much better chance of selling records, and did what's necessary to promote them much more heavily than whatever label Mount Eeriy was released through. The Arcade Fire's music has been on the cover of Time, featured on major television dramas like Grey's Anatomy and put on display in the front kiosks of Best Buy's because their labels thought they'd sell more and they have the money to do so. A Kil Rock Stars isn't going to do that, as they haven't the funds. People can't deem them "not worth their time" if they don't know they exist.

They thought that these three (overrated) deserved more airtime, coverspace, mentions, whatever, than these three (underrated).
Their labels did, sure, because they knew they'd sell. It has nothing to do with quality. What is the music industry: art or business?

You can include the Microphones in this category too. I mean, No Age and HEALTH came from the same general area and constantly play at the same fucking venue as Abe Vigoda, and yet everyone knows who they are but no one has ever heard of Abe Vigoda. That is what I mean when I say underrated.
No Age and HEALTH are about as well known to their specific audiences as Age Vidoga. This isn't "underrated." Again, those who know them rate them quite highly.

As far as Pavement, Gainsbourg, Talking Heads, Waits, and XTC, who were already fairly big in their day, I just think they deserved to become galactically huge. If everyone knows the words to every song off of The Blue Album, there's no reason they shouldn't be that familiar with Pavement as well.
So, what you're saying is, everyone should share your respective appreciation for a particular artist if they enjoy another particular artist you don't lend as much credibility to, and if they don't, they're inherently wrong? If I happen to enjoy The Blue Album immensely, and I don't a Talking Heads album, that means, because I don't care for Remain in Light as much as Pinkerton, they're underrated? That's a rather silly argument, as well as a semantically-driven one that's fixated on banal issues: "sure, Waits is regarded as an esteemed songwriter and quite well-known, but he's not as huge as Dylan?! The fuck?! UNDERRATED!" That's inane logic.

And Gainsbourg and Waits should be staples of music, not castoffs living on the dregs as they are currently treated.
Staples of music? Waits, again, is higly regarded and Gainsbourg is a key figure in the contemporary evolution of Chanson Pop and is a distinguished multimedia icon in France.

As far as Dirty Projectors and Los Campesinos! are concerned, they have had a cooler relationship with critics. Your "pure" underrated artists, I guess. You can add the Fiery Furnaces to that list too. Also, I went to buy Bitte Orca at Best Buy on the Tuesday morning it was released before heading off to work, and they only had two copies of it. Two fucking copies of the only album I've really looked forward to this entire year, and the only one I've actually paid for thus far. That's what I'm talking about when I mean "underrated".[/quote]

My Best Buy has twentyone copies. If that's your criteria for "underrated," you need to include every artist on a small independent label.

[briewer]

If that's your criteria for "underrated," you need to include every artist on a small independent label.
I'm not going to respond to the rest of what you've said until you answer my question. What would qualify a band as being underrated?

[xxmannequin]

Overrated:
Bright Eyes (he's my absolute favorite and I'll be the first to admit he's overrated)

Underrated:
Why?

overrated:
bright eyes - as much as i love conor, and as much talent he has, he's gotten a little overatted.

This makes me sad. :-(


Underated
Any legitmate effort or attempt to create great music that the general public (beyond those of AP.net) will never hear.
- The Format would be a great example ;-)
I agree.


In my completely biased opinion, I think Jack's Mannequin is very underrated outside of this site. I'm not sure about overrated.

[Matthew Tsai]

Overrated:
Brand New
Arcade Fire
The Mars Volta
Iron & Wine (I do love a large number of Sam's songs, but I am not big on his project as everyone else seems to be)

Underrated:
Mice Parade
Anadivine
Kaddisfly
Closure In Moscow (at least outside of AP.net)
Days Away
Foals
Josh Ritter
Mew
Royksopp (at least before their collaboration with Robyn, or maybe that Geico commercial)
Idlewild
Immoor
Behold... the Arctopus

There are hundreds of other bands I listen to that I would consider underrated.


you've got this great list and then you bring up that trash band...

[kearn1tm]

I'm not going to respond to the rest of what you've said until you answer my question. What would qualify a band as being underrated?

I answered this in my first post of the thread. It's an absurd term. I'll cut and past for you:

"Overrated?"

Seriously. What the fuck are you talking about? Who is rating these things by which you can claim that it is being done overtly so? What is the relationship between you calling something "overrated" and your opinion of it? Are you simply claiming that your opinion differs from a majority of critics or opinions? Because if so, you're not actually making a claim about what you are talking about; rather, you're simply claiming that you are among a minority who doesn't like a thing as much as other people (as if it were either / or in the first place). Which is to say, who gives a fuck? Do you not have any real critical prowess? I can't think of a more empty, meaningless term attempting to criticize something.

[TreyForest]

what does over and underrated even mean??? words r really vague

like everyone says blinks over rated but ask any real fan and they wont say that there great musicians or anything or the greatest band ever , we just like them because there relatable and write catchy as hell fast pop punk songs and thats why there huge

[shimmyshakes]

Most Overrated - All Time Low, Manchester Orchestra

Most Underrated - Dear and the Headlights (although I think Warped is really helping them a lot), A Change of Pace

[kearn1tm]

what does over and underrated even mean??? words r really vague

like everyone says blinks over rated but ask any real fan and they wont say that there great musicians or anything or the greatest band ever , we just like them because there relatable and write catchy as hell fast pop punk songs and thats why there huge


"Overrated" is affected and pretentious. The subjective opinion of the majority is that [X Band] is enjoyable. Your subjective opinion is that X Band is not enjoyable. That's completely valid and fine. The issue with something being deemed "overrated" is the implications that the person who's decided something is overrated is stating that their taste in music is somehow superior to that majority, and that it isn't solely a matter of subjective taste anymore, but that X Band is bad because they don't like them, and that the majority is wrong in their assessment of the band simply because of what the person who doesn't like X Band is espousing to anyone who will listen.

Ultimately, a band can't be "overrated." Many people like them and you don't. That's the issue. Because you don't like them (a subjective stance) doesn't negate the opinions of those who do (a collective subjective opinion) and to boast that you find them overrated because the majority adore them is elitism at its worst. It's a pejorative phrase used to breed negativity and squash any real dialog or discourse.

Look, I'm not a fan of Taylor Swift, but many are. I have no grounds to call her overrated simply because she receives so much attention. She's marketed that way, she has a very accessible sound and she's signed to the majors. Of course she's going to be adored by the masses and the fact that I don't care for her music doesn't make her music inherently overrated.

[briewer]

I answered this in my first post of the thread. It's an absurd term. I'll cut and past for you:

"Overrated?"

Seriously. What the fuck are you talking about? Who is rating these things by which you can claim that it is being done overtly so? What is the relationship between you calling something "overrated" and your opinion of it? Are you simply claiming that your opinion differs from a majority of critics or opinions? Because if so, you're not actually making a claim about what you are talking about; rather, you're simply claiming that you are among a minority who doesn't like a thing as much as other people (as if it were either / or in the first place). Which is to say, who gives a fuck? Do you not have any real critical prowess? I can't think of a more empty, meaningless term attempting to criticize something.
This didn't make much sense...

You're not a "smart" person, are you?

"Overrated" is affected and pretentious. The subjective opinion of the majority is that [X Band] is enjoyable. Your subjective opinion is that X Band is not enjoyable. That's completely valid and fine. The issue with something being deemed "overrated" is the implications that the person who's decided something is overrated is stating that their taste in music is somehow superior to that majority, and that it isn't solely a matter of subjective taste anymore, but that X Band is bad because they don't like them, and that the majority is wrong in their assessment of the band simply because of what the person who doesn't like X Band is espousing to anyone who will listen.

Ultimately, a band can't be "overrated." Many people like them and you don't. That's the issue. Because you don't like them (a subjective stance) doesn't negate the opinions of those who do (a collective subjective opinion) and to boast that you find them overrated because the majority adore them is elitism at its worst. It's a pejorative phrase used to breed negativity and squash any real dialog or discourse.

Look, I'm not a fan of Taylor Swift, but many are. I have no grounds to call her overrated simply because she receives so much attention. She's marketed that way, she has a very accessible sound and she's signed to the majors. Of course she's going to be adored by the masses and the fact that I don't care for her music doesn't make her music inherently overrated.
...but this did. Still, it's just an opinion, and the thread asks "in your eyes" in the title, so stating your opinion on other people's opinions isn't completely out of line. I mean, this is the same situation if you go over to the "which band has the worst/most annoying fanbase?" thread and assert that you disagree with everyone else's opinion on who has the worst fans. Or go anywhere and maintain that the majority are wrong in favor of your minority opinion. Of course, being 'over-' or 'underrated' has a lot of odd contentions, seeing that the instant that everyone starts agreeing on one opinion it becomes untrue, and that fact that morons seem attracted to the phrases like a magnetic (see: Wavves. For them to be 'overrated' as everyone contends, they would have to be rated highly in the first place, which they weren't, they were considered overrated in the first place, which makes no fucking sense.) makes them undesirable in the first place, but still, who cares, it's just a music discussion which (I hoped) would stir up shit, just let it go.

[kearn1tm]

This didn't make much sense...

It makes perfect sense.


...but this did. Still, it's just an opinion, and the thread asks "in your eyes" in the title, so stating your opinion on other people's opinions isn't completely out of line.

I never claimed anything about this thread was "out of line." Clearly, it's tolerated and accepted. Unfortunately, it doesnt' breed much conversation beyond "these guys suck because everyone likes them and I don't" or "these guys are good and nobody else gets that" which is par for the course on this forum.

I mean, this is the same situation if you go over to the "which band has the worst/most annoying fanbase?" thread and assert that you disagree with everyone else's opinion on who has the worst fans.

That thread is just another elitist attempt for kids to score cred points by positioning themselves over the "annoying teenage fanbase" of [X Band]. Every band has their fantastics, every band has social youth trends and fads associated with them. For every ICP juggalo clown, there's a Say Anything kid in eye liner and scrafs tied around their ankle. Both are equally ridiculous, and both are not indicative of the entirety of the fanbase or the music. It's absurd.

Of course, being 'over-' or 'underrated' has a lot of odd contentions

It's an utterly lazy, contrived form of criticism that circumvents any and all analytical forms of discussion. "That band's overrated because I don't like them and everyone else does. *Snort*" That's what overrated, in this context or most contexts, means.

seeing that the instant that everyone starts agreeing on one opinion it becomes untrue, and that fact that morons seem attracted to the phrases like a magnetic (see: Wavves. For them to be 'overrated' as everyone contends, they would have to be rated highly in the first place, which they weren't, they were considered overrated in the first place, which makes no fucking sense.)

I imagine the reason everyone declares Wavves to be overrated is that most of the 'underground' music press have heralded this band as one of the better acts to emerge in the '00s and that the latest album was subjected to near universal-indie press praise when, by the estimation of those calling them "overrated," they're yet another interchangable Noise Pop/Rock band (which, and this is completely tangendental, they are "yet another interchangable Noise Pop/Rock band," and incredibly boring, but that's merely my opinion).

Under the mode of operation that overrated means a large group of people enjoy something that you don't, then in the niche, marginalzed sect of music enthusiasts that enjoy somewhat "indie/underground" music and the press that caters to them, it would appear that, given the hype/reviews they've received, they could easily be considered "overrated," but that's again, a very pretentious label that inspires nothing but simplistic negativity without much discussion and that's why I find it a useless modifier.

makes them undesirable in the first place, but still, who cares, it's just a music discussion which (I hoped) would stir up shit, just let it go.

I care, and I imagine some of the few of us on this site who actually strive to exchange well-thought ideas on the bands we do/don't enjoy care...

or

If it's acceptible to post threads like this that devolve into innocuous but substanceless lists ("My overrated/Underrated lists are as follows"), it should be just as acceptible for me to bitch about said threads within the thread. Why "let it go?" Moreover, why do you continue to respond to me if you'd like me to "let it go?"

[kearn1tm]

Threads like these are tots overrated, lol!

[DilesMavis]

Boo.

I feel the same.

[briewer]

It makes perfect sense.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/1786/arrested-development-top-banana?c=282:292

I never claimed anything about this thread was "out of line." Clearly, it's tolerated and accepted. Unfortunately, it doesnt' breed much conversation beyond "these guys suck because everyone likes them and I don't" or "these guys are good and nobody else gets that" which is par for the course on this forum.
It's an utterly lazy, contrived form of criticism that circumvents any and all analytical forms of discussion. "That band's overrated because I don't like them and everyone else does. *Snort*" That's what overrated, in this context or most contexts, means.
Okay, so the problem isn't with thinking that people consider bands better or worse than you do, which is bound to happen as people have different tastes, but the way in which people carry out this discussion, which is to say, why does this only bother you here? This entire website is founded on not really knowing what you're talking about musically but acting like you do.

That thread is just another elitist attempt for kids to score cred points by positioning themselves over the "annoying teenage fanbase" of [X Band]. Every band has their fantastics, every band has social youth trends and fads associated with them. For every ICP juggalo clown, there's a Say Anything kid in eye liner and scrafs tied around their ankle. Both are equally ridiculous, and both are not indicative of the entirety of the fanbase or the music. It's absurd.
Believe me, I know, both sides are insufferable, I just wanted an example of somewhere where opinions would clash.

I imagine the reason everyone declares Wavves to be overrated is that most of the 'underground' music press have heralded this band as one of the better acts to emerge in the '00s and that the latest album was subjected to near universal-indie press praise when, by the estimation of those calling them "overrated," they're yet another interchangable Noise Pop/Rock band (which, and this is completely tangendental, they are "yet another interchangable Noise Pop/Rock band," and incredibly boring, but that's merely my opinion).
Sorry, apparently I haven't heard any of that. The only things I have heard of this guy is A) Pitchfork's review and B) everyone and their mother saying how overrated he is. If the calls that he is overrated overpower any press of said overrating, as it has, it just gets ridiculous beyond estimation. I think that this whole 'hate on Wavves' thing is mostly fueled by the fact that people find it cool. No Age and Times New Viking both make similar music, got way better reviews and way more positive press coverage, and yet no one has said shit about them.

I care, and I imagine some of the few of us on this site who actually strive to exchange well-thought ideas on the bands we do/don't enjoy care...

or

If it's acceptible to post threads like this that devolve into innocuous but substanceless lists ("My overrated/Underrated lists are as follows"), it should be just as acceptible for me to bitch about said threads within the thread. Why "let it go?" Moreover, why do you continue to respond to me if you'd like me to "let it go?"
baZING.

The main point I'm trying to make is, considering music to be either overrated or underrated, at least personally, is inevitable in any subjective music experience. I mean, you don't listen to Nickelback, do you? (please say no) Why? Because you think they suck. Other people (like my mom, ughhhh...) think that they are good. They think they are talented musicians making great, engaging music. So are you in agreement with them? No, you think that they are overrating Nickelback's music. You don't listen to them because you think their music's here (hand at waist level) while other people think their music's here (hand at eye level). You wouldn't have your hand at their level, because for you that would be rating them over what you think they are.

Of course you could say "everything's subjective, it depends on whose listening to it, Bob Dylan=Nickelback because it's all subjective", but then I would say you need to grow a fucking spine and stand up for what you believe in. Everything doesn't equal everything else. People can be right and wrong in terms of opinions. I mean, if completely subjectivity is what you're espousing, which by all outward signs seems to be what you are saying, then I'm sure you're totally fine with the results to this poll. (http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=970622) There's only two options as far as how you can take that; either A) "who gives a fuck?"and they're fine to think that, or B) 445 people are fucking retarded and are clearly overrating a shitty pop-punk band.

[kearn1tm]

http://www.hulu.com/watch/1786/arrested-development-top-banana?c=282:292

You're excused.


\Okay, so the problem isn't with thinking that people consider bands better or worse than you do, which is bound to happen as people have different tastes, but the way in which people carry out this discussion, which is to say, why does this only bother you here? This entire website is founded on not really knowing what you're talking about musically but acting like you do.

Don't be obtuse. The problem is the inherent elitistism that comes with believing everyone else's opinion of a band is wrong and that they're "overrating" that band because your opinion differs from there's. The phrase overrated spawns nothing but a one-word pejorative that's used to dismiss the opinions of others and has no critical analyzation behind it. So, clearly, my problem is with that phrase, which is the subject of this thread, a particular pet-peeve of mine, and as appropriate a place as any to address it on this forum.


Believe me, I know, both sides are insufferable, I just wanted an example of somewhere where opinions would clash.

Fair enough.


Sorry, apparently I haven't heard any of that. The only things I have heard of this guy is A) Pitchfork's review and B) everyone and their mother saying how overrated he is. If the calls that he is overrated overpower any press of said overrating, as it has, it just gets ridiculous beyond estimation.[/quote]

The two guys that comprise the band Wavves managed to move nearly 50,000 copies of their latest self-titled album, which is nearly unheard of for a band on Fat Possum and for any band not backed by the promotional power of the majors in the current music industry model or the economic climate. They headlined two prominent festivals this year. They're praised many places, the web or otherwise. They're critical and indie darlings. Of course there's a vocal sect of people making it known they don't appreciate the band or that the hype isn't meritted, but I don't know if I agree that it's "overpower" the praise. It would appear they're quite well-liked by many.

I think that this whole 'hate on Wavves' thing is mostly fueled by the fact that people find it cool.

This is a very inflammatory statement. I'm sure there's many who hold that "anti-anything remotely popular" mentality and attack them for cred points, but to generalize all of those who dislike them because it's cool is foolish (which is implied by your use of the word "whole"). I myself don't care for them beyond a few tracks because they're no different from Deerhoof or Japandroids or Ponytail or No Age or many of the others to make up the gluttony of Noise Rock/Lo-Fi bands to become nouveau once again in the '00s.

No Age and Times New Viking both make similar music, got way better reviews and way more positive press coverage, and yet no one has said shit about them.

I'm not sure what you're using for reference when claiming that No Age and Times New Viking's latest albums received "way better reviews" and "way more positive press coverage." In fact, of the three, I'd say Times New Viking received the [I]least press and the reviews for Rip It Off according to metacritic are less than the '09 self-titled for Wavves. Moreover, both Wavves and No Age were reviewed in Rolling Stone, one of the most mainstream and antiquated music periodicals in the medium with the greatest readership of any music magazine. Both received glowing reviews from all the "name" sources.

Oh, and No Age was the Wavves of 2008 insofar as being the band every coffee-shop crawler and their hip younger brother called "overrated" because they received a '9' from Pitchfork. They weren't immune to the backlash.

I'm not trying to start a needless argument with you, but I find there's a lot of speculation on your part here.

The main point I'm trying to make is, considering music to be either overrated or underrated, at least personally, is inevitable in any subjective music experience.

Not enjoying a band that many others dig is inevitable, using a one-word modifier to dismiss those who enjoy it while bolstering the person who says it...is also inevitable. You're correct, and I find it lazy and pointless. That's my main point.

I mean, you don't listen to Nickelback, do you? (please say no) Why? Because you think they suck.

Do I think they suck? I don't care for them. Does that mean they are a sucky band? No. There's only so much objective music theory and blahblahblah you can apply to art until it comes down to preference. Music Theory is mostly a formalist template anyway, and many fantastic bands have made egregiously awful music if held to formalist standards, just as many techinically sound bands are boring and devoid of substance. Because you or I find Nickelback to be exceedingly lame doesn't mean the millions who adore them are any more right or wrong than you or I. How can you or I make the claim they're "overrated" simply because our subjective perception of this band is different from the millions who think they're great? Moreover, there's the whole issue of critics almost unanimously panning every one of their albums. So it's us against the populace, and quite frankly, "over" and "underrated" is a definitive term that labels one side wrong and one side right.

Other people (like my mom, ughhhh...)

That woman carried you for nine months, be nice.

think that they are good.

That Rock Star song made me anorexic for a week and a half. Watch out, fellow stereotypical gay men and ladies!

They think they are talented musicians making great, engaging music. So are you in agreement with them?

Talent's a very subjective thing. I don't think they're making "great, engaging music." How does that mean those that do are wrong and overrated it? It merely indicates there's a difference in taste between you and I and your mom.

No, you think that they are overrating Nickelback's music.

Nope. They just dig something I don't.

Of course you could say "everything's subjective, it depends on whose listening to it, Bob Dylan=Nickelback because it's all subjective"

It's not all subjective, but it's damn close. Whether you want socially conscious lyrics about sociopolitical woes or hedonistic lyrics about getting fucked up, how can you make an objective arguement that one is better that the other? See my above rand on formalism.

then I'm sure you're totally fine with the results to this poll. (http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=970622) There's only two options as far as how you can take that; either A) "who gives a fuck?"and they're fine to think that, or B) 445 people are fucking retarded and are clearly overrating a shitty pop-punk band.

I don't subscribe to the results of that pole because my taste isn't necessarily those who voted, but hat doesn't mean they're retarded.

[kearn1tm]

Oh, and why does everyone use Dylan as a measuring stick for what's good and bad in the medium? When did that man become the universal gauge for "good" in music? Christ.

[oddwithoutend]

Whether you want socially conscious lyrics about sociopolitical woes or hedonistic lyrics about getting fucked up, how can you make an objective arguement that one is better that the other?

What's wrong with saying "I find [band] to be overrated because, though most critics praise them for their [quality], I don't find their [quality] very artistically successful because [reasons]"?

You can say that the term "overrated" implies right and wrong on a subjective issue, but if your reasons are backed with objective evidence, I don't see the problem with analytically disagreeing with the majority of critics.

[kearn1tm]

What's wrong with saying "I find [band] to be overrated because, though most critics praise them for their [quality], I don't find their [quality] very artistically successful because [reasons]"?

You can say that the term "overrated" implies right and wrong on a subjective issue, but if your reasons are backed with objective evidence, I don't see the problem with analytically disagreeing with the majority of critics.

It ultimately comes down to preference. There is no objective stance to take when using "overrated." It's lazy. Again, most of the "objective" evidence people use is, in fact, comprised of subjective standards they delude themselves into believing is objective.

Again, music theory is mostly formalist archetypes and formalism isn't an objective standard for quality. Most people who use "overrated" tend to haphazardly throw out the phrase without any critical thought.

[kearn1tm]

I'd love to hear Togepi throw his two cents into this discussion. His musings on objectivity/subjectivity are usually spot on.

[oddwithoutend]

It ultimately comes down to preference. There is no objective stance to take when using "overrated." It's lazy. Again, most of the "objective" evidence people use is, in fact, comprised of subjective standards they delude themselves into believing is objective.

Agreed, but evidence is still evidence. There's a reason All Time Low fans generally can't defend the band's artistic merits as well as Iron and Wine fans.

Again, music theory is mostly formalist archetypes and formalism isn't an objective standard for quality. Most people who use "overrated" tend to haphazardly throw out the phrase without any critical thought.

Yeah, I understand that. I'm just saying that it can also be discussed in a meaningful way, regardless of how rare that is.

[kearn1tm]

Agreed, but evidence is still evidence. There's a reason All Time Low fans generally can't defend the band's artistic merits as well as Iron and Wine fans.

That's not true at all. It generally comes down to Iron and Wine fans saying "his lyrics have more emotional depth" or something equally as subjective and full of shit.

Yeah, I understand that. I'm just saying that it can also be discussed in a meaningful way, regardless of how rare that is.

Sure, you can discuss why you don't enjoy a band to the degree others do, but, again, the term "overrated" is not only lazy, but inherently pretentious.

[oddwithoutend]

That's not true at all. It generally comes down to Iron and Wine fans saying "his lyrics have more emotional depth" or something equally as subjective and full of shit.

I disagree. Iron and Wine fans can discuss many different things that have some objective backing. Less unwarranted repetition, more profound metaphors, less tiresome use of cliches, more important topics, etc. all can provide pretty good insight as to why Iron and Wine has better lyrics than All Time Low. Of course, I'm still willing to admit that this is only evidence, and that proof is impossible since, like you mentioned, it will ultimately be subjective. However, the more informed listener will have greater evidence backing his opinion.

[oddwithoutend]

the term "overrated" is not only lazy, but inherently pretentious.

I understand that, but it's just a convenient way of saying that you disagree with the majority of critics. I still don't see the problem with disagreeing if you state your reasons.

[Jordachejeans91]

I'll play...

Overrated:

The Get Up Kids - Amazing band, but not THE best "90's emo" band ever.

Blink 182 - Obvious

Jimmy Eat World - They have made some of the most beautiful songs but I don't think they have been strongly consistent through the years....but I could just be too harsh.

Something Corporate - Decent jams but not the best thing ever

Brand New: See Blink 182



Underrated:

mewithoutYou - Their first 3 full lengths were great all the way through, they deserved a lot more praise.

Mineral - My favorite band of all time. Kind of brought it on themselves by breaking up after their 2nd album.

The Forecast - They really SHOULD be receiving the same praise as All Time Low, The Maine, etc

Park (RIP) - "It Won't Snow Where You're Going" is one of the best albums I've ever heard.




I'm sure there is more, but that's just what I have now. If you disagree, then.....touche'.

I fucking Loveeeeeeee Parks albums it wont snow where you're going, and loved minerals albums

[Jordachejeans91]

Overrated

Manchester Orchestra - Just cant get into them for some reason
All Time Low - Love their albums, but there are bands that do it better (IMO)
The All American Rejects - first 2 albums were great, 3rd one average
Anthony Green - His solo cd was a let down for me
Boys Like Girls - feels like forever since the realeased their first albums
Fall out Boy - just doesnt do it for me anymore..
The Higher - its hard to call them overrated because im not sure that many people like them haha
Kings Of Leon - i like one song on their album
Nevershoutnever - to much uke
Two Tounges - wasnt a huge fan of their album

Underrated

Acceptance - should have blown up
Ace Enders - Great guy, great musician
Between The Trees - New albums is fantastic
Brighten - Every single song is amazing
Cassino - More people should know about this band
The Damnwells - great band
The Dangerous Summer - are starting to get a nice following
Dear And The Headlights - Loved both albums
Fly Upright Kite - great indie band
The Graduate - Cant wait for their new record
Jeremy Larson - Makes beautiful music.
Mansions - Awesome songwriter
The New Frontiers - Pissed they broke up
The Reign Of Kindo - Also makes beautiful music
Valencia - Released two great albums

These are all my opinions so if you try to argue with me about them i probably wont respond back

[kearn1tm]

I disagree. Iron and Wine fans can discuss many different things that have some objective backing. Less unwarranted repetition,

How is that objective?

more profound metaphors, less tiresome use of cliches,

How is that objective?

more important topics,

That's severely subjective.

etc. all can provide pretty good insight as to why Iron and Wine has better lyrics than All Time Low.

Those lyrics are only better because Iron and Wine fans say they're better. None of it is objective.

Of course, I'm still willing to admit that this is only evidence, and that proof is impossible since, like you mentioned, it will ultimately be subjective. However, the more informed listener will have greater evidence backing his opinion.

You've made a rash generalization about All Time Low fans. I've seen some here, shockingly enough, that have articulated what it is they enjoy about the band.

None of what you've listed is objective. It's all personal preference, and some of that "evidence" is not only objective, but could be argued that it isn't true as well.

I understand that, but it's just a convenient way of saying that you disagree with the majority of critics. I still don't see the problem with disagreeing if you state your reasons.

There's still the elitism issue.

[oddwithoutend]

How is that objective?



How is that objective?



That's severely subjective.



Those lyrics are only better because Iron and Wine fans say they're better. None of it is objective.

I already admitted it is only evidence, and that there is never proof. Nothing will be completely objective, but given the amount of evidence on the side of Iron and Wine, I would hazard to guess that those who believe ATL has better lyrics would generally be less informed art critics.


You've made a rash generalization about All Time Low fans. I've seen some here, shockingly enough, that have articulated what it is they enjoy about the band.

Firstly, forgive me for not naming a more suitable band for the comparison. Secondly, "less unwarranted repetition" is artistic critique, whereas "The lead singer has a sexy voice" is not. That is to say, just because one can articulate why they enjoy a band, does not mean they can articulate why the band is good (or better than another band).

None of what you've listed is objective. It's all personal preference, and some of that "evidence" is not only objective, but could be argued that it isn't true as well.

There is uncontestable evidence to back up each point. That's the only place objectivity can be found. For example, although "less unwarranted repetition" is subjective, there is objective evidence in that All Time Low features a higher volume of repetition than Iron and Wine, and that the topics they discuss vary a lot less.

There's still the elitism issue.

To disagree with the majority of critics in a form similar to the explanation I provided above is not elitist. It is merely an opinion with evidence to back it. There is no assumed quality of superiority. On the other hand, the simple statement "Radiohead is overrated" is an elitist one, as it has no justification. If you justify an opinion, you do not need to assume superiority over others to validate it.

[RuslanFedotenko]

Overrated

Manchester Orchestra - Just cant get into them for some reason
All Time Low - Love their albums, but there are bands that do it better (IMO)
The All American Rejects - first 2 albums were great, 3rd one average
Anthony Green - His solo cd was a let down for me
Boys Like Girls - feels like forever since the realeased their first albums
Fall out Boy - just doesnt do it for me anymore..
The Higher - its hard to call them overrated because im not sure that many people like them haha
Kings Of Leon - i like one song on their album
Nevershoutnever - to much uke
Two Tounges - wasnt a huge fan of their album

Underrated

Acceptance - should have blown up
Ace Enders - Great guy, great musician
Between The Trees - New albums is fantastic
Brighten - Every single song is amazing
Cassino - More people should know about this band
The Damnwells - great band
The Dangerous Summer - are starting to get a nice following
Dear And The Headlights - Loved both albums
Fly Upright Kite - great indie band
The Graduate - Cant wait for their new record
Jeremy Larson - Makes beautiful music.
Mansions - Awesome songwriter
The New Frontiers - Pissed they broke up
The Reign Of Kindo - Also makes beautiful music
Valencia - Released two great albums

These are all my opinions so if you try to argue with me about them i probably wont respond back

ahhh awesome list man. i agree with every overrated..and ill check out the damwells and jeremy larson..never heard either

[oddwithoutend]

All it really comes down to is that I'm saying there's such thing as an informed opinion, and if you expound an informed opinion on why you believe the majority of critics rate a band too high or too low, then you are not being elitist. The assumed superiority does not coexist with a justification.

[tD77]

Under:
The Panic Division
Under the Influence of Giants
Karate High School (2nd CD is excellent)

[kearn1tm]

I already admitted it is only evidence, and that there is never proof. Nothing will be completely objective, but given the amount of evidence on the side of Iron and Wine, I would hazard to guess that those who believe ATL has better lyrics would generally be less informed art critics.

It's not "evidence" in the slightest. It's merely preference.




Firstly, forgive me for not naming a more suitable band for the comparison. Secondly, "less unwarranted repetition" is artistic critique,

Sure, you're addressing a facet of the music, but still in highly subjective manner and the "unwarranted" is only "unwarranted" because you find it unwarranted.

whereas "The lead singer has a sexy voice" is not.

It's not conventional art criticism but still a commentary on the art itself that's as tainted with subjectivity as "there's less repetition in Iron and Wine songs than All Time Low" (which is untrue as they both adhere to the basic songwriting structure and pop music template, even if operating under different genres).

That is to say, just because one can articulate why they enjoy a band, does not mean they can articulate why the band is good (or better than another band).

They're not mutually exclusive. Ultimately, the reasons why you claim a band is good is almost entirely predicated on the reasons you enjoy them.


there is objective evidence in that All Time Low features a higher volume of repetition than Iron and Wine, and that the topics they discuss vary a lot less.

What's more repetitive about All Time Low songs?



To disagree with the majority of critics in a form similar to the explanation I provided above is not elitist.

No, but to maintain that they're wrong because you disagree is, as it implies you're right, when there's no "right or wrong" without positioning one set of standards and taste over the other. Overrated, by nature, suggests that one group is wrong, because they're "rating it 'over'" what is appropriate and what is "appropriate" is determined by the person claiming it's praise is not just.

[fallingheart]

Alright, no one will probably agree with me on this but I think Kings of Leon are so underrated, especially after reading this. Everyone only knows their songs that are on the radio. They only started becoming big in America with the release of their latest album, but they have been popular and recognized basically everywhere in the world except the US which is probably why their Grammy win probably seemed like it came out of nowhere. They have so many older, better albums than their newest one and I think more people should listen :)

[kearn1tm]

Alright, no one will probably agree with me on this but I think Kings of Leon are so underrated, especially after reading this. Everyone only knows their songs that are on the radio. They only started becoming big in America with the release of their latest album, but they have been popular and recognized basically everywhere in the world except the US which is probably why their Grammy win probably seemed like it came out of nowhere. They have so many older, better albums than their newest one and I think more people should listen :)

I disagree entirely, but that's beside the point.

Is that Captain Oats in your avatar, because that's what's really important here.

[Bobby Tucker]

Overrated (at least by this site):

Valencia- Their first album had some variety, but WANARTB was very plain; it was basically like listening to the same song 11 times over.

The Dangerous Summer- Take the criticism above. Remove "album" and replace it with "EP". Remove "WANARTB" and replace it with "RFTS".

Oasis- I love "What's the Story (Morning Glory)?", but every other album has been a huge disappointment for me. Can't really understand how they're still relevant after DOYS fell so flat.

Manchester Orchestra- Vocally, I've heard this all before (Weatherbox, Thursday). Lyrically, I've heard this all before (Brand New). Musically, I've heard this all before (Brand New, Nirvana, Thursday, The Dear Hunter). And METN doesn't even stack up with releases from any of these other acts.

The Juliana Theory's "Emotion is Dead" & "Understand, This is a Dream": Compared to their later albums, it is absolutely shocking that these two are considered to be their defining albums.

Fleet Foxes- Good band. Not a great band. Good EP and debut. Not a great EP or debut.

Jack's Mannequin- I saw this on someone's underrated, and could not resist the urge to say this: I love SoCo and Jack's, but they get far too much credit and popularity even though they aren't that far away from other pop punk acts like TSL, Mae, and JEW.

Underrated:

Someone said Silversun Pickups. I second that.

Someone said Pavement. I second that.

Someone said Fugazi. I second that.

The Reign of Kindo- They're songwriting is top notch. But 111 never promoted them properly, and they've gone largely unnoticed, despite an original sound, a great EP, and a superd debut album.

Augustana- They'll never be able to escape what "Boston" did to their careers and credibility, but "Can't Love. Can't Hurt" was a stellar release that they haven't been given enough repect for. They could have cashed in with an album full of singles, and instead gave their pop act a sound nearer to Tom Petty with a hint of country influences, taking a huge risk in a radio pop world. Kudos to them.

[fallingheart]

I disagree entirely, but that's beside the point.

Is that Captain Oats in your avatar, because that's what's really important here.

hahah YES

[kearn1tm]

hahah YES

I want to ravage Adam Brody.

[fallingheart]

Augustana- They'll never be able to escape what "Boston" did to their careers and credibility, but "Can't Love. Can't Hurt" was a stellar release that they haven't been given enough repect for. They could have cashed in with an album full of singles, and instead gave their pop act a sound nearer to Tom Petty with a hint of country influences, taking a huge risk in a radio pop world. Kudos to them.

I completely agree! Can't Love, Can't Hurt is so good.

[fallingheart]

I want to ravage Adam Brody.

ohh same here. i'm so happy someone knew it was Captain Oats! hahah

[Bobby Tucker]

ohh same here. i'm so happy someone knew it was Captain Oats! hahah

Can't go wrong with those first two seasons of The OC... Cheesy? Yes. Awesome? Also, yes.

Third season was a little off for me though. And I never even saw the fourth season. Or the fifth (if they made one)...

[fallingheart]

Can't go wrong with those first two seasons of The OC... Cheesy? Yes. Awesome? Also, yes.

Third season was a little off for me though. And I never even saw the fourth season. Or the fifth (if they made one)...

Nah, only four seasons, but don't even waste your time with the last one it sucked haha

[Stankewich]

Augustana- They'll never be able to escape what "Boston" did to their careers and credibility, but "Can't Love. Can't Hurt" was a stellar release that they haven't been given enough repect for. They could have cashed in with an album full of singles, and instead gave their pop act a sound nearer to Tom Petty with a hint of country influences, taking a huge risk in a radio pop world. Kudos to them.

This!

[kearn1tm]

Nah, only four seasons, but don't even waste your time with the last one it sucked haha

The first and fourth seasons are the only ones I care for. The show became so much better when Marissa died at the end of the third season. She was such a vapid character who added nothing but needless drama (in a show predicated on engaging drama).

[Bobby Tucker]

The first and fourth seasons are the only ones I care for. The show became so much better when Marissa died at the end of the third season. She was such a vapid character who added nothing but needless drama (in a show predicated on engaging drama).

I really liked the first season. Ryan, Seth, and Sandy are extremely engaging from the get go. When the peripheral characters start receiving a lot of focus (Marissa's parents, Luke, etc.) is when the drama got a little stale for me.

The second season had some really high points (Ryan's return, "The Rainy Day Women" episode), and Marissa's useless drama (the pool boy, the lesbian foray) doesn't get in the way of the overrarching plotlines for Ryan and the Cohens.

She does take over the plotlines in the third season, which killed it for me. And I never watched the fourth season; is it worth it for the Ryan, Seth, and Sandy storylines?

Edit: I quite like how The OC conversation has taken over this thread...

[aerofan11]

I don't understand how Fall Out Boy are sell outs. They got big doesn't mean they sold old.
BTW Red Hot Chili Peppers rock! Their songs do have variety, haven't you listened to Californication?

[Thesleepingwell]

Also, you say that Green Day is one of the most overrated bands you listen to, yet you say "in my and a lot of others opinions, it was just ok". If it was a lot of others opinions, how are they that overrated?

Green Day is a case of both, it depends on opinion.
Personally, they aren't as great as they once were, ditto for NOFX, The Offspring and Blink 182.
I liked these bands as a teenager and their music now is just not the same. Okay they keep the passion going, but thats not satisfying for the keen music listener of heavy music.

But if you want an overrated band:

Underoath,
I think their music is very disappointing.
I don't dig the hype tbh.

Honest opinions.

[oddwithoutend]

It's not "evidence" in the slightest. It's merely preference.

I reapproached what I meant by evidence in the part of my post that you didn't quote.
Sure, you're addressing a facet of the music, but still in highly subjective manner and the "unwarranted" is only "unwarranted" because you find it unwarranted.

I do not contest that.
It's not conventional art criticism but still a commentary on the art itself that's as tainted with subjectivity as "there's less repetition in Iron and Wine songs than All Time Low" (which is untrue as they both adhere to the basic songwriting structure and pop music template, even if operating under different genres).

ATL uses choruses more often, and any good poet/lyricist will tell you that choruses are generally only needed in long or intellectually deep pieces, none of which apply to ATL in my opinion. It's a generalization of course, but I'd maintain that ATL falls into the category of "too much unwarranted repetition" (I know this is all subjective, but we can use evidence in that it tends to be much easier to explicate an ATL song than an Iron and Wine song, and also that Iron and Wine songs tend to include more lyrics, with proportionally less repetition).
They're not mutually exclusive. Ultimately, the reasons why you claim a band is good is almost entirely predicated on the reasons you enjoy them.

I disagree. There are many bands I do not enjoy that I would argue are quite good. There are entire genres of music that I do not enjoy, but I'd never say that everything included in the genre is bad.
No, but to maintain that they're wrong because you disagree is, as it implies you're right, when there's no "right or wrong" without positioning one set of standards and taste over the other. Overrated, by nature, suggests that one group is wrong, because they're "rating it 'over'" what is appropriate and what is "appropriate" is determined by the person claiming it's praise is not just.

So this has turned into an argument of semantics. As long as you agree that it's fine to say "I disagree with the majority of critics on [band] because..." then there's really no argument here. I don't like the use of overrated either, as it gets abused by everyone and, admittedly, is an outlet for elitists. 99% of the time it gets used, I agree that it's out of line.

[fly_guy]

Oh goody, an argument

[Richard Maxim]

I actually Exclusively listen to the soundtrack of Sonic The Hedgehog.
Never heard of anything else you kids are talking about these days.

[kearn1tm]

I reapproached what I meant by evidence in the part of my post that you didn't quote.

Semantics. Evidence is, by definition, facts that validate a hypothesis. There's nothing factual about what you cited. It's merely parts of Beam tracks you enjoy, that you can cite as to why you enjoy them, but do nothing to establish objective superiority over All Time Low tracks.


I do not contest that.

That's bad form. Contest everything!


ATL uses choruses more often,

So did the Beatles.

[lquote]and any good poet/lyricist will tell you that choruses are generally only needed in long or intellectually deep pieces, none of which apply to ATL in my opinion.[/quote]

Show me proof. Which "good poet/lyricist" made this claim? That's simply baseless speculation, and I don't agree with it in the slightest. Choruses are very appropriate Pop tracks that aren't necessarily commenting on sociopolitcial strife or "intellectualized" internal politics.

It's a generalization of course, but I'd maintain that ATL falls into the category of "too much unwarranted repetition" (I know this is all subjective, but we can use evidence in that it tends to be much easier to explicate an ATL song than an Iron and Wine song, and also that Iron and Wine songs tend to include more lyrics, with proportionally less repetition).

Beam's lyrical themes are rather limited (romanticized connection with nature, internal introspection), his use of Pop conventions is essentially as blatant as ATL's and he repetitively relies on similar cluster chords to create the illusion of intricacy. I love Beam, and I'm not a fan of ATL in the slightest, but it's no more or less easy to explicate or dissect an ATL song than anything Beam's done, unless you allow personal bias to distort your ability to do so. Again, I'm not trying to belittle any of your ideas here.

I disagree. There are many bands I do not enjoy that I would argue are quite good. There are entire genres of music that I do not enjoy, but I'd never say that everything included in the genre is bad.

I agree, but that's not the point in debate, and I did use the caveat of "almost."


So this has turned into an argument of semantics.

Absolutely, and overrated and my qualms with the phrase is, in part, a semantical issue.

As long as you agree that it's fine to say "I disagree with the majority of critics on [band] because..." then there's really no argument here.

This was never being contested. Of course we're going to disagree with critics and the majority. Everyone will at some point. However, it's when those disagreeing believe their opinion to supercede the majority, and that the majority is inherently wrong in their opinion and are somehow "overrating" it because of mere discrepencies in subjective thought, and that such a limiting phrase is used to bemoan the majority without explanation, that I take issue with it being such a commonly accepted phrase in the contemporary lexicon.

I don't like the use of overrated either, as it gets abused by everyone and, admittedly, is an outlet for elitists. 99% of the time it gets used, I agree that it's out of line.

Let's just make out, 'cause this is almost where I was going.

[briewer]

Oh, and why does everyone use Dylan as a measuring stick for what's good and bad in the medium? When did that man become the universal gauge for "good" in music? Christ.
Just the first thing that popped into my head. I was going to say Talking Heads but I don't know if that would have been as inflammatory.

Don't be obtuse. The problem is the inherent elitistism that comes with believing everyone else's opinion of a band is wrong and that they're "overrating" that band because your opinion differs from there's. The phrase overrated spawns nothing but a one-word pejorative that's used to dismiss the opinions of others and has no critical analyzation behind it. So, clearly, my problem is with that phrase, which is the subject of this thread, a particular pet-peeve of mine, and as appropriate a place as any to address it on this forum.
But that's what you do every day when you choose an indie/underground band over a popular, radio-played act. I'm not saying that "I think they're overrated, everyone else should think as I do," I'm saying, "I don't like these guys as much as you guys do, take it however you will." I'm saying that, for me, the ratings you have given these guys is too high, I'd like them lower. I never attempted to provide finality in the status of over- or underrating for my bands, I just thought, in a world filled with me's, these bands would be held higher than they are and these bands would be held lower than they are.

The two guys that comprise the band Wavves managed to move nearly 50,000 copies of their latest self-titled album, which is nearly unheard of for a band on Fat Possum and for any band not backed by the promotional power of the majors in the current music industry model or the economic climate. They headlined two prominent festivals this year. They're praised many places, the web or otherwise. They're critical and indie darlings. Of course there's a vocal sect of people making it known they don't appreciate the band or that the hype isn't meritted, but I don't know if I agree that it's "overpower" the praise. It would appear they're quite well-liked by many.
Eh. I've heard nothing but shit about them.

This is a very inflammatory statement. I'm sure there's many who hold that "anti-anything remotely popular" mentality and attack them for cred points, but to generalize all of those who dislike them because it's cool is foolish (which is implied by your use of the word "whole"). I myself don't care for them beyond a few tracks because they're no different from Deerhoof or Japandroids or Ponytail or No Age or many of the others to make up the gluttony of Noise Rock/Lo-Fi bands to become nouveau once again in the '00s.
I meant to imply that it was only part and not the whole of the 'hate on Wavves' movement that was doing it for cred points. My mistake.

I'm not sure what you're using for reference when claiming that No Age and Times New Viking's latest albums received "way better reviews" and "way more positive press coverage." In fact, of the three, I'd say Times New Viking received the [I]least press and the reviews for Rip It Off according to metacritic are less than the '09 self-titled for Wavves.
Times New Viking was a bad example But Nouns got a 9.3 or something from Pitchfork and was 3rd on their AOTY list, while Wavvves was rated significantly lower by them (in a down year, no less), and yet, while they are making similar music, the hate for the higher ranked band has not been as bad as the hate for the lower rated band. Which makes no sense at all.

Oh, and No Age was the Wavves of 2008 insofar as being the band every coffee-shop crawler and their hip younger brother called "overrated" because they received a '9' from Pitchfork. They weren't immune to the backlash.
True, but I don't think it was as bad or as universal as the hate for Wavves has.

I'm not trying to start a needless argument with you, but I find there's a lot of speculation on your part here.
I know and understand that, and rather it not see this devolve into an argument either.

Not enjoying a band that many others dig is inevitable, using a one-word modifier to dismiss those who enjoy it while bolstering the person who says it...is also inevitable. You're correct, and I find it lazy and pointless. That's my main point.
But I'm saying that it doesn't have to be, which, again, is a problem with the people using it and not the term.

Do I think they suck? I don't care for them. Does that mean they are a sucky band? No. There's only so much objective music theory and blahblahblah you can apply to art until it comes down to preference. Music Theory is mostly a formalist template anyway, and many fantastic bands have made egregiously awful music if held to formalist standards, just as many techinically sound bands are boring and devoid of substance. Because you or I find Nickelback to be exceedingly lame doesn't mean the millions who adore them are any more right or wrong than you or I. How can you or I make the claim they're "overrated" simply because our subjective perception of this band is different from the millions who think they're great? Moreover, there's the whole issue of critics almost unanimously panning every one of their albums. So it's us against the populace, and quite frankly, "over" and "underrated" is a definitive term that labels one side wrong and one side right.
Meh. Point conceded, I guess.

That woman carried you for nine months, be nice.
Oh, I am, I just give her lots of shit about her music taste. It's awful.

It's not all subjective, but it's damn close. Whether you want socially conscious lyrics about sociopolitical woes or hedonistic lyrics about getting fucked up, how can you make an objective arguement that one is better that the other? See my above rand on formalism.
I just think you're devaluing your own music by saying this. Of course, I know, everything's subjective, I can't know whether my body exists or whether driving a car is a figment of my imagination or if I'm really talking to you. But still, I operate under the assumption that all of these things are true and won't spontaneously fail me. Same with music. Sure, scientists are going to come up with a "Nickelback sucks" theorem any time soon, but there's a lot of circumstantial evidence that that backs up my theory. Like, a less intelligent segment of the population prefers Nickelback to Talking Heads (because I'm apparently forbidden from using Bob Dylan as an example), TH uses a larger variety of genres in their music, they've developed their sound over the course of their career, Nickelback's singer essentially said they were only in it for the money, etc., which, I know, would not stand up to scientific or philosophic scrutiny, but for society that's enough to say that Talking Heads>Nickelback and not feel like we're completely talking out our asses.

I don't know if that made complete sense or not, but whatever, I'm getting tired of this argument anyways.

Talent's a very subjective thing. I don't think they're making "great, engaging music." How does that mean those that do are wrong and overrated it? It merely indicates there's a difference in taste between you and I and your mom.
Nope. They just dig something I don't.
I don't subscribe to the results of that pole because my taste isn't necessarily those who voted, but hat doesn't mean they're retarded.
I guess you're just more forgiving than I am.

[thespearkid]

"Overrated?"

Seriously. What the fuck are you talking about? Who is rating these things by which you can claim that it is being done overtly so? What is the relationship between you calling something "overrated" and your opinion of it? Are you simply claiming that your opinion differs from a majority of critics or opinions? Because if so, you're not actually making a claim about what you are talking about; rather, you're simply claiming that you are among a minority who doesn't like a thing as much as other people (as if it were either / or in the first place). Which is to say, who gives a fuck? Do you not have any real critical prowess? I can't think of a more empty, meaningless term attempting to criticize something.
You called Elliott Smith overrated a few weeks back, brah.

[kearn1tm]

You called Elliott Smith overrated a few weeks back, brah.

A few months back I did, and I took a summer I course on art criticism that made me think about some of the tools and methods used to analyze art, and I came to the conclusion that phrases like overrated are lazy.

Oh, and in my defense, I did go into great detail on why I didn't care for him to the degree that others do (though I'm still fond of his work).

[thespearkid]

A few months back I did, and I took a summer I course on art criticism that made me think about some of the tools and methods used to analyze art, and I came to the conclusion that phrases like overrated are lazy.

Oh, and in my defense, I did go into great detail on why I didn't care for him to the degree that others do (though I'm still fond of his work).
I will agree just saying "overrated" is lazy but I took an art criticism class as well (literary criticism, to be specific) and I always found that, when quantified, there are plenty of instances in which saying an artist/work is overrated is perfectly valid.

edit: Of course, people using the term to try and undermine a band they don't like/understand is dumb as well.

[kearn1tm]

Just the first thing that popped into my head. I was going to say Talking Heads but I don't know if that would have been as inflammatory.


But that's what you do every day when you choose an indie/underground band over a popular, radio-played act. I'm not saying that "I think they're overrated, everyone else should think as I do,"

You contradict yourself by saying the following

I'm saying that, for me, the ratings you have given these guys is too high, I'd like them lower.
Why would you like them lower? Why does it matter that other people think a band is better than you do? If you're in the midst of a discussion on [X Band], it would be appropriate to say "yeah, I'm not really high on that band" or "I'm not as high on that band as many seem to be," but why would you say "I think most people are too liberal with their praise for that band and I'd like to see them lower their rating of them?" Why?


I meant to imply that it was only part and not the whole of the 'hate on Wavves' movement that was doing it for cred points. My mistake.
Fair enough.

Times New Viking was a bad example But Nouns got a 9.3 or something from Pitchfork and was 3rd on their AOTY list, while Wavvves was rated significantly lower by them (in a down year, no less),
Sure, but that's one reviewer and Wavves still received a healthy 8.something. Unsound gave them five stars (out of five), Rolling Stone gave them some ridiculous score, Allmusic, NME, etc. were all very fond of the LP.

and yet, while they are making similar music, the hate for the higher ranked band has not been as bad as the hate for the lower rated band.
Kids were ragging on No Age for months last year. Kids here were shitcanning them. This happens with anything remotely popular.
Which makes no sense at all.


True, but I don't think it was as bad or as universal as the hate for Wavves has.


I know and understand that, and rather it not see this devolve into an argument either.


But I'm saying that it doesn't have to be, which, again, is a problem with the people using it and not the term.


Meh. Point conceded, I guess.
Ultimately, and I'm not claiming your entirely wrong here, but there's strong implications, in addition to explicit connotations with the words "over" and "rater" that accompany such a term. It's lazy, and it suggests others are wrong and the person using it is right. There's much better forms of criticism and debate that can be had than a one-word reply that's usually used as a pejorative and, well, again, it simply means that one person doesn't agree with numerous others, only stated in a "matter of fact-esque" manner.

I hope it doesn't seem that I'm being argumentative for the sake of, well, arguing, but I staunchly support the idea that this term is bullshit.

Same with music. Sure, scientists are going to come up with a "Nickelback sucks" theorem any time soon, but there's a lot of circumstantial evidence

People continually cite "evidence" or "circumstantial support" for the idea that [A Band] is better than [B Band], and really, it means nothing more than "I think the thing this band does makes them better than the thing that band does." It's what debate is predicated upon and that's fine but it's not definitive and it doesn't "devalue music." I value my music highly, but I know that the reason I love The Modern Lovers and don't care for Fergie isn't beyond anything other than how certain things appeal to my own specific standards of quality.

that that backs up my theory. Like, a less intelligent segment of the population prefers Nickelback to Talking Heads

How did you make this assertion? Where's your evidence? My boyfriend's father is one of the most renowned surgeons in Michigan. His mother is a professor of art and has two doctorates. Both adore Nickleback. My mother, before she passed a few years ago, was not a college educated woman, and though she was far from stupid, was not an intellectual by any means. She adored the Nickleback album from '03. I find that in many cases there can and is a coorelation between intelligence, social factors and other exterior influences that impact the art a person enjoys, but then, that's not always the case either. I know smart people and stupid people who enjoy Nickleback. It's entirely predicated on what a person wants from a given medium and how they perceive it. My boyfriend's father and mother are both very cultured and worldly people, yet they perceive music as merely entertainment. Then again, I have a creative writing professor who enjoys '80s Hair Metal and cockrock in addition to other, more critically acclaimed artists and loves music as a medium and appreciates it as an artform.

Really, I don't necessarily know if I subscribe to the "smarter people gravitate towards Talking Heads than Nickleback" idea.

TH uses a larger variety of genres in their music, they've developed their sound over the course of their career, Nickelback's singer essentially said they were only in it for the money, etc., which, I know, would not stand up to scientific or philosophic scrutiny, but for society that's enough to say that Talking Heads>Nickelback and not feel like we're completely talking out our asses.

Those reasons play into why I dig Talking Heads and why you dig them, but really, that doesn't make either of us right and so begins the cyclical debate we've had.

[kearn1tm]

I will agree just saying "overrated" is lazy but I took an art criticism class as well (literary criticism, to be specific) and I always found that, when quantified, there are plenty of instances in which saying an artist/work is overrated is perfectly valid.

I'm not using the class to validate my stance, merely that, I read some really cool things that made me reevaluate the way I look at certain modifiers, and having thought about it for quite some time, I find "overrated" stupid.

[oddwithoutend]

Am I really all the things that are outside of me
Do I complete myself without the things I like around
Does the music that I make play on my awkward face
Do you appreciate the subtleties of taste buds

[ellagos]

Overated

A Day To Remember:
I don't believe they are good enough to warrant the attention they get, simple.

Slipknot:
Corey Taylor's vocals are......average at best.

Enter Shikari:
The screaming is pretty poor.

Underated

Underoath:
I know they're hardly unpopular but i believe they deserve more attention.

Mudvayne:
*Eargasm*

Otep:
Brilliant lyrics and a strangely attractive lead, what's not to love?

[bernie16wb]

exactly why their underrated because they dont suck, none of them. y dont u go check them out and than come back and respond
I mean, I saw Hawthorne Heights this past Thursday since they were playing five minutes away and some of my friends were opening. Anyway, they're just as bad in real life.

But that's hardly on topic.

Anyway. I think Thrice is actually a bit underrated at least among my friends. A lot of them haven't really heard anything other than Deadbolt, etc and as such don't have the full view of what this band does.

Overrated? I'd say A Day to Remember is overrated, again among my friends. I like some of the stuff they do but my friends seem to have a very much inflated view of how awesome they are. Of course they listen to a bit different music than I do so what's it really matter if they disagree.

[chelsealouanne]

Who in your eyes, is the most overrated and unerrated bands you listen to


overrated:

All Time Low - wannabes, and every song sounds exactly the same
Fall Out Boy - i liked them when they were real punk , and when they werent sell outs...
Green Day - i know theyre amazing... but everyone talk about dookie and american idiot, what about their newest effort?? in my opinion and a lot of others opinions - its just ok


I completely agree with your opinion of what bands are overrated and underrated.

I like All Time Low but I don't listen to them as much. I think I'll like their new album but forsure they're very overrated. Theres so much love for Alex and Jack, and even them together. Rian often gets left out and at times Zack. Sometimes their stage jokes make me think like their trying too hard to be like their idols Blink-182. Ah well.

Green Day deserve all the recognition they get. but yes there are people who call them sell outs who think nothing will compare to Dookie and that was their best work and everything else wasn't great, which is untrue and thats all I hear about. It's mostly the people who bash American Idiot and 21st CB who have this opinion. They can't make Dookie twice..

I'm not a fan of Fall Out Boy but I agree that their overrated and mostly I think it's because of Pete Wentz.

Sum 41 - these canadiens punks have lended some of their techniques to punk. theyve got amazing music all around, from, all killer no filler - underclass hero. does this look infected have to be one of my top 5 punk albums. and underclass hero got no credit, even in my eyes. it is looked at as a softer album but its not that soft... just a step down from the previous sum 41 albums...


I don't think they are that underrated, (not just saying this because they are my favourite band) but forsure most people don't recognize every album after All Killer, No Filler as much as they should. Chuck is another one. Those two seem like fan favourites. People also need to understand this band doesn't suck because of Dave leaving and they haven't gone downhill since.

[DCarty61]

Brand New is soooooooooo overrated

[Ativan Eyes]

Overrated:

My Bloody Valentine
Cocteau Twins
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
Superchunk
Sonic Youth
Talking Heads
Deerhunter
Weakerthans

(I don't hate any of the bands above; I just happen to own albums by each, and don't think they're as good as most critics say they are)

Underrated:

Polvo
Constantines
Air Miami
Boston Spaceships

[AussieBoy]

Overrated:

Say anything

Brand new

Taking back Sunday

The wonder years

blink-182

Skrillex

Don't get me wrong. Love em all. That's why I listen. But are overrated by some more than their talents
Below are ones I listen to and aren't acknowledged of their skills
I could list dozens of overrated that I don't rate!

Underrated:

Fightstar

Amity affliction

Hit the lights

The years gone by

Scribe

The Juliana theory. (old stuff)

Bodyjar

Millencolin

[AussieBoy]

I actually Exclusively listen to the soundtrack of Sonic The Hedgehog.
Never heard of anything else you kids are talking about these days.

Hahaha I wonder if I can download it?

[AussieBoy]

because every1 still considers them amazing, but they neglect to accept how this last album went...

I'm confused. You said "bands you listen to" but in your original post you totally ripped into these bands. i.e FOB, ATL. So you like them or not??!!

[Scrawns]

Underrated:
Brighten
Dr. Manhattan
This Century
Settings
Of Machines
and there's lots of others.

Overrated:
Im not too sure about. I probably have to think about it some more.
Brighten and Of Machines are pure win.

Overrated
Brand new
Manchester orchestra
Can't think of any others

Underrated
Brighten
August Burns red
As cities burn
Acceptance
Can't think right now, I will have to edit later

[CheckeredFloors]

There are hundreds of thousands of bands that can be classed as underrated but only a few hundred (if that) that can be called overrated.

[AussieBoy]

Overrated (at leastThe Juliana Theory's "Emotion is Dead" & "Understand, This is a Dream": Compared to their later albums, it is absolutely shocking that these two are considered to be their defining albums.
Kudos to them.
Early Juliana!!! Def massively underrated band! God I missed that
I listened to Brett Detars solo album. I almost cried
It was country??!?

[Turi]

This site goes totally nuts over Thrice and Brand New, and so do I, they are my two favourite bands, but I can honestly tell you I don't know a single other person for real who likes either band.

Not sure if it's my area, but I've tried introducing heaps of people to them, and it's like nobody gets it.

No one likes them here, so from where I'm standing, they are both absolutely underrated, to the point that it pisses me off that I can't cover their stuff in my band, because my band mates don't like them, won't give them a chance, and even when I cover their stuff on my own acoustically, no one knows any of it and just waits for me to shut up.

So, Thrice and Brand New are incredibly underrated in my opinion.

Overrated, I'm going to say the Goo Goo Dolls, I don't get why so many people are in love with them, my band mate is pretty much their biggest fan, and I've tried and tried and I've seriously listened to their discography, and I can only stand 1 album by them, the one with "Long Way Down"..

Same for the Foo Fighters, can't stand them, no matter how much I try, I just don't get it, and their guitar tones actually give me a headache/make me feel sick, don't know why, but I can only listen to them for really short periods without physically feeling ill.
I think it might be their EQ'ing or something, I don't know. :/

[BigG1392]

Overrated :

FOUR YEAR STRONG... damn I don't get it. They make solid pop-punk but they're nowhere near the best in the genre. Even SYG blows them out of the water in terms of creativity.

Underrated:

RELIENT K... these guys have put out good record after good record, including one of my all time favorite pop-punk records in Mmhmm... it's such a shame they're forced to take a backseat to the shitty mainstage bands on Warped Tour this year. I feel like people write them off because they're a Christian band, but damn they are good.

[ThisIsNotDan]

what a fucking dumb topic. if you like an artist why try and cut them down?

[billysurvive]

what a fucking dumb topic. if you like an artist why try and cut them down?

I look at this thread as more of an opinion based topic. Obviously there are some bands that I think are overrated that I have seen some say are underrated. It all depends on ones own music taste basically or thoughts on the band. There are a few bands, however, I will gladly agree with on being overrated. (Nickelback, Three Days Grace, etc.)