Alternate Best albums of the 90's poll

[briewer]

Okay guys, I caved to pressure. Here's my poll.

It was extremely difficult to narrow down the selection to just 25 options, so feel more than free to choose 'Other' and include what you think the best album of the decade was. Also, I kept it to only one album per artist so that the number of options didn't get completely ridiculous, thus the lack of OK Computer, Post, Slanted and Enchanted, Black On Both Sides, etc. Again, pick 'Other' and specify which was your favorite.

[jbaseball44]

A choice between The Boards of Canada or Bonnie Billy

[Dagless]

In the Aeroplane Over the Sea is my personal favourite from this list.

[briewer]

I was going to be objective, but fuck it, I choose The Soft Bulletin.

[kazuma_ootaro28]

Was thinking about picking The Bends, but Bjork's Homogenic is just a very MAGNIFICENT album. I'll probably regret picking Bjork over the albums by Pavement, Elliott Smith, or Refused, or the Other option tomorrow or so, but Homogenic is my favorite right now.

[jtresk26]

Nice I like your poll way better than mine.

[Shin Akuma]

Sublime - 40oz, Muse - Showbiz, Lit - A Place in the Sun.

[MattDennis]

It came down to Illmatic, The Bends, and Pinkerton...went with Illmatic.

[Neo Cassady]

In the Aeroplane

[spunkmastaflex]

311 - 311

or

The Offspring - Smash

[SlappedActor]

I love a lot of these albums, but the one that had the most impact on me was Pinkerton.

[liar23]

311 - 311

or

The Offspring - Smash
Grassroots is better than 311.

but really, it was between Beck and Pinkerton for me. Chose Pinkerton

[Justin_stacy]

Pinkerton would probably win on any list, but the polls missing so many great one's.

[briewer]

Pinkerton would probably win on any list, but the polls missing so many great one's.
Read my original post; I didn't want this to get completely out of hand, so I included only 25 albums, which in and of itself is ridiculous. But still, I think at least 15 of the top 25 albums of the 90's are on here if not more, so I don't see why you're complaining.

[VIVALAMATT]

Wu Tang's 36 Chambers was awesome, but I had to go "other" because you didn't put Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness by The Smashing Pumpkins.

[VIVALAMATT]

so I don't see why you're complaining.

It's not a complaint, it's just some of this is a crime. I can name 5 or 6 of these albums that aren't better than either Siamese Dream or Mellon Collie by the Smashing Pumpkins. Yeah, A Tribe Called Quest, Wilco, and The Roots put out their better albums in the 90's, but I wouldn't have put them in this poll. There are better 90's albums out there. Try "All Eyez On Me" by 2pac and "Nevermind" by Nirvana.

[Undue Noise]

More people like Pinkerton than In The Aeroplane Over The Sea? Damn, NMH for me.

[briewer]

It's not a complaint, it's just some of this is a crime. I can name 5 or 6 of these albums that aren't better than either Siamese Dream or Mellon Collie by the Smashing Pumpkins.
Okay, but you're also admitting that there are nineteen or twenty albums on here that are better than those two. I completely content with going 20 for 25, but at any rate, I stated at the beginning that this was an extremely parsed-down list. I could have easily expanded it to 100 or more options that deserved some of the same recognition that these 25 do. That's why I included an "Other" option, so just choose that, state the album you would have liked to see added, and be done with it.

Yeah, A Tribe Called Quest, Wilco, and The Roots put out their better albums in the 90's, but I wouldn't have put them in this poll. There are better 90's albums out there. Try "All Eyez On Me" by 2pac and "Nevermind" by Nirvana.
I can't even take you seriously if you're suggesting Tupac is better than A Tribe Called Quest and The Roots, and Nevermind was such a boring fucking record that I couldn't possibly stomach adding that and leaving something off that I have included.

[thehereaway]

People are always going to clash on polls like this because everyone has a different opinion.

[Justin_stacy]

Read my original post; I didn't want this to get completely out of hand, so I included only 25 albums, which in and of itself is ridiculous. But still, I think at least 15 of the top 25 albums of the 90's are on here if not more, so I don't see why you're complaining.

That really wasn't all that much complaining. And 15 is being very generous.

[briewer]

That really wasn't all that much complaining. And 15 is being very generous.
I don't think you know what the fuck you're talking about if you think more than 10 of these, much less any of them, don't deserve to be included.

[Justin_stacy]

I don't think you know what the fuck you're talking about if you think more than 10 of these, much less any of them, don't deserve to be included.

Since you're missing so many memorable/best/important records of the era, its basically a moot discussion. Your list looks to be of personal favorites, rather than a reflection of the 90's best. Hell you don't even have Pearl Jam's Ten on there, no Uncle Tupelo, no punk and so on.

If were being serious a poll like this is kind of stupid, its for fun of course, but still stupid. Breaking the 90's down into 25 random albums and an 'other' is pointless. How did you come up with the parameters? Influencing, popularity, memorable....? How much effort was given to make sure each genre was represented, regardless of whether the picked album was actually better or not than one of another already represented genre? Its stupid to get all defensive over something like this, particularly with little to no direct complaints. Yes you made the poll so the urge is to defend it, but please. There's so many holes here that its really not worth your effort.

[MADSTA]

Either/Or for me.

[jtresk26]

Since you're missing so many memorable/best/important records of the era, its basically a moot discussion. Your list looks to be of personal favorites, rather than a reflection of the 90's best. Hell you don't even have Pearl Jam's Ten on there, no Uncle Tupelo, no Punk and so on.

If were being serious a poll like this is kind of stupid, its for fun of course, but still stupid. Breaking the 90's down into 25 random albums and an 'other' is pointless. How did you come up with the parameters? Influencing, popularity, memorable....? How much effort was given to make sure each genre was represented, regardless of whether the picked album was actually better or not than one of another already represented genre? Its stupid to get all defensive over something like this, particularly with little to no direct complaints. Yes you made the poll so the urge is to defend it, but please. There's so many holes here that its really not worth your effort.
His original list had 50 albums because my poll was so lackluster and I forgot a lot of good albus, but my poll had a different meaning to me. His is about the whole 90's decade and all music categories, not just rock. I guarantee it was hard to cut some off of the list, but that's what he chose. He's doing diverse genres and you can't deny that there are some albums that deserve to be on here that aren't rock. You probably haven't even heard of some of the albums even listed, I'll admit I haven't. Plus, Ten isn't that good of an album compared to Vitalogy.

[Justin_stacy]

His original list had 50 and a lot of the albums he listed now are better than the original 50 albums listed. I guarantee it was hard to cut some off of the list, but that's what he chose. he's doing diverse genres and you can't deny that they are some albums that deserve to be on here that aren't rock. Plus, Ten isn't that good of an album compared to Vitalogy.

Oh' so this is like the second round of an on going poll? That would have been worth mentioning before getting all defensive.

....and I friendly disagree on Vitalogy, though to dissect a band like Pearl Jams discography would be painfully hard for me. Few bands have been able to hold on to that level of consistency.

[jtresk26]

Oh' so this is like the second round of an on going poll?

....and I friendly disagree on Vitalogy, though to dissect a band like Pearl Jams discography would be painfully hard for me.
Yeah I totally agree about the Pearl Jam comment. Yeah I originally did a poll and I put some 90's albums and I wanted to see what album best represented the 90's. I picked albums that I thought were some of the best not the best of the 90's and he disagreed with my poll and he made his and it is way better than mine.

[Justin_stacy]

Yeah I totally agree about the Pearl Jam comment. Yeah I originally did a poll and I put some 90's albums and I wanted to see what album best represented the 90's. I picked albums that I thought were some of the best not the best of the 90's and he disagreed with my poll and he made his and it is way better than mine.

Growing up in the 90's and with their music. I've always felt that their place in music history has been understated, particularly when compared to similiar styled bands of the era, like Nirvana, who get way more credit than they are deserving of.

Polls like this are so subjective that it really renders them useless. No matter what it always going to come down to personal preference, even with defined parameters, there's almost no way it wouldn't. Taste is subjective.

[briewer]

Since you're missing so many memorable/best/important records of the era, its basically a moot discussion. Your list looks to be of personal favorites, rather than a reflection of the 90's best. Hell you don't even have Pearl Jam's Ten on there, no Uncle Tupelo, no punk and so on.

If were being serious a poll like this is kind of stupid, its for fun of course, but still stupid. Breaking the 90's down into 25 random albums and an 'other' is pointless. How did you come up with the parameters? Influencing, popularity, memorable....? How much effort was given to make sure each genre was represented, regardless of whether the picked album was actually better or not than one of another already represented genre? Its stupid to get all defensive over something like this, particularly with little to no direct complaints. Yes you made the poll so the urge is to defend it, but please. There's so many holes here that its really not worth your effort.
I'm not saying that you shouldn't feel there were albums left out. As I said, at least 75 other albums could have been plugged in here as replacements for these 25. Sure, picking 25 out of a logical 100 options is slightly asinine, but whatever, I felt that these 25 would probably cull more votes than the 75 I left out would have, so these are the ones that I chose. That's why I gave the option and even encouraged people to choose something that is not on this list. I'm fine with that. What I'm not fine with is with you questioning the worthiness of the albums I've included. Sure, you'd like to see other albums get plugged in, I get it, but there are no "holes". Every one of these is more than worthy of being recognized as one of the best of the decade. There's no "weak" albums on here. They are all superb and saying otherwise would get you laughed at by anyone who's musically literate. As I've said, saying another album deserved a place on here is fine, and is true, but saying any of these don't just means, as I've said, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[BulleTheory]

What's The Story Morning Glory?

[MyWorldEntire]

How could you possibly not include Ok Computer? The Bends doesn't even come close to its greatness.

[briewer]

How could you possibly not include Ok Computer? The Bends doesn't even come close to its greatness.
I thought differently. :shrug:

[briewer]

No offense dude but you take the internet a little too fucking serious. Lighten up
Meh. I'm content with doing things the way I do.

[MyWorldEntire]

I thought differently. :shrug:

You results aren't valid without including Ok Computer. It is routinely ranked among top five albums from the 90's, and at number one on some lists (Pitchfork, and most importantly rateyourmusic.com, which is the most widely used system to rank albums)

[MyWorldEntire]

Here's RYM's list btw: http://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/1990s

[briewer]

You results aren't valid without including Ok Computer. It is routinely ranked among top five albums from the 90's, and at number one on some lists (Pitchfork, and most importantly rateyourmusic.com, which is the most widely used system to rank albums)
My results don't seem to be valid in anyone's eyes, if you read the preceding posts. Admittedly, not including OK Computer was the hardest decision I made, as both it and The Bends are at or very near the top of my favorite albums ever, but ultimately I heeded Dubya's advice by going with my gut and choosing The Bends. I did say in the originating post for this thread or whatever you want to call it that I was only going to include one album per artist to keep the field open, but looking back on it I probably should have made an exception for Radiohead. Oh well. Surprisingly, you're the first person to mention this.

[MyWorldEntire]

My results don't seem to be valid in anyone's eyes, if you read the preceding posts. Admittedly, not including OK Computer was the hardest decision I made, as both it and The Bends are at or very near the top of my favorite albums ever, but ultimately I heeded Dubya's advice by going with my gut and choosing The Bends. I did say in the originating post for this thread or whatever you want to call it that I was only going to include one album per artist to keep the field open, but looking back on it I probably should have made an exception for Radiohead. Oh well. Surprisingly, you're the first person to mention this.

Well we are on AP.net, not exactly a hot-bed for good taste in music.

[jbaseball44]

I thought about mentioning it but i wouldn't have chosen it anyway, when you are picking a select number of albums from a decade it's always going to be tough to please everyone. Ok Computer is the biggest snub and probably my 3rd or 4th favorite album from the decade

[jawstheme]

My results don't seem to be valid in anyone's eyes, if you read the preceding posts. Admittedly, not including OK Computer was the hardest decision I made, as both it and The Bends are at or very near the top of my favorite albums ever, but ultimately I heeded Dubya's advice by going with my gut and choosing The Bends. I did say in the originating post for this thread or whatever you want to call it that I was only going to include one album per artist to keep the field open, but looking back on it I probably should have made an exception for Radiohead. Oh well. Surprisingly, you're the first person to mention this.

Hmm, but you had to know the critical praise for OK Computer is far greater than The Bends. Every best album poll has OK Computer as Radiohead's best album, maybe with Kid A close sometimes. I see your point and this is your poll, but you had to expect some backlash for not including their superior 90's album (in my opinion, for sheer innovation and originality if nothing else). I do love The Bends but it made my choice for Neutral Milk much easier without OK Computer. It's all good though, this is still the most tasteful music poll I've come across.

[VIVALAMATT]

I can't even take you seriously if you're suggesting Tupac is better than A Tribe Called Quest and The Roots, and Nevermind was such a boring fucking record that I couldn't possibly stomach adding that and leaving something off that I have included.

Well obviously I now see that your own personal music opinion has swayed the album choices of this poll.

[briewer]

Well obviously I now see that your own personal music opinion has swayed the album choices of this poll.
...or you are framing the albums chosen in your own subjective experience. Professional critics are pretty much in agreement that all three albums are classics of the genre. But if we are to look at rateyourmusic.com, as someone suggested for their argument in favor of OK Computer and which I like for this purpose, both The Low End Theory (http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/a_tribe_called_quest/the_low_end_theory/) and Things Fall Apart (http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/the_roots/things_fall_apart/) rank far higher than All Eyez on Me (http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/2pac/all_eyez_on_me/). At any rate, I think The Low End Theory is far and away one of the best rap albums ever while the other two are close enough objectively that you could argue successfully in favor of either.

As far as Nirvana is concerned, I can't stand them and think they are one of the most overrated bands in music history. They did nothing special, or innovative, or exciting. I don't think any of their praise is warranted.

[briewer]

Well we are on AP.net, not exactly a hot-bed for good taste in music.

I thought about mentioning it but i wouldn't have chosen it anyway, when you are picking a select number of albums from a decade it's always going to be tough to please everyone. Ok Computer is the biggest snub and probably my 3rd or 4th favorite album from the decade

Hmm, but you had to know the critical praise for OK Computer is far greater than The Bends. Every best album poll has OK Computer as Radiohead's best album, maybe with Kid A close sometimes. I see your point and this is your poll, but you had to expect some backlash for not including their superior 90's album (in my opinion, for sheer innovation and originality if nothing else). I do love The Bends but it made my choice for Neutral Milk much easier without OK Computer. It's all good though, this is still the most tasteful music poll I've come across.
Truth. If I could change one thing about this poll, it would be that.

[Bobcat46308]

Tool - Aenima

[VIVALAMATT]

...or you are framing the albums chosen in your own subjective experience. Professional critics are pretty much in agreement that all three albums are classics of the genre. But if we are to look at rateyourmusic.com, as someone suggested for their argument in favor of OK Computer and which I like for this purpose, both The Low End Theory (http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/a_tribe_called_quest/the_low_end_theory/) and Things Fall Apart (http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/the_roots/things_fall_apart/) rank far higher than All Eyez on Me (http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/2pac/all_eyez_on_me/). At any rate, I think The Low End Theory is far and away one of the best rap albums ever while the other two are close enough objectively that you could argue successfully in favor of either.

As far as Nirvana is concerned, I can't stand them and think they are one of the most overrated bands in music history. They did nothing special, or innovative, or exciting. I don't think any of their praise is warranted.

First of all, if you want to get into my own personal opinion, I would say Dr Dre's "The Chronic", Public Enemy "Fear of a Black Planet", and Notorious B.I.G.'s "Life After Death" not only should've been on that list, but were all better albums than "The Low End Theory". And yes, I'm a fan of A Tribe Called Quest, so this is getting past any bias I may have for or against them.

I mentioned "All Eyez on Me" not because it may be an amazing album or anything, but because of it's actual importance. It was without a doubt one of the most important hip/hop albums to come out of the 90's by one of the most important rappers in history. And come on, using a website to back your argument? Seriously, lol, I don't care what rateyourmusic.com may or may not say about these albums.

And last but not least, if you don't think "Nevermind" was one of the greatest '90s rock albums, then I just can't truly take you seriously. No matter how you truly feel about the band, at least respect what they did. That album just had way too many great rock songs. Majority opinion would disagree with you on that stance. I totally respect your opinion on 90's hip/hop because it definitely seems you were listening to the right artists from that time period, but I just don't see how you underrate "Nevermind" like you do.