Breaking News: Book says Bonds used steroids

[wecanbeheros]

Report: Bonds began using steroids, vast array of other drugs, in 1998 March 7, 2006
NEW YORK (AP) -- Barry Bonds (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/3918/) used a vast array of performance-enhancing drugs, including steroids and human growth hormone, for at least five seasons beginning in 1998, according to a book written by two San Francisco Chronicle reporters.
An excerpt of "Game of Shadows," which provides details of the San Francisco slugger's extensive doping program, appears in the March 13 issue of Sports Illustrated.
He has denied using performance-enhancing drugs. Phone messages left by The Associated Press seeking comment from his attorney and publicist were not immediately returned Tuesday.
Authors Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams, who led the newspaper's coverage of the BALCO scandal, recount in remarkable detail the specifics of Bonds' drug regimen, which they write started in 1998 with injections of Winstrol, a powerful steroid also linked to Rafael Palmeiro (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/3897/).
According to the book, Bonds was using two designer steroids, known as the cream and the clear, plus insulin, human growth hormone and other performance enhancers by 2001, when he hit 73 home runs to break Mark McGwire's single-season record.
The seven-time NL MVP enters this season with 708 homers, seven shy of passing Babe Ruth and 48 from breaking Hank Aaron's career mark.
"Game of Shadows" is scheduled to be published on March 27 by Gotham Books.
The reporters, who based the book on a two-year investigation, included an extensive summary on their sources, including court documents, affidavits filed by BALCO investigators, documents written by federal agents, grand jury testimony, audio recordings and interviews with more than 200 people.

[aminorthreat55]

Hahahaha

[Caleb Cattivera]

Whammy!

[mikeford]

dear san fran giants fans on this board,

SUCK IT.

:dance:
U :madfire:?

[rcrook]

can we trade bonds for puckett at the pearly gates right now?

[LeftWideOpen]

haha yessss. Where are all the Bonds supporters now???

Good. I hope he goes and crawls in a hole and never comes out. HOF shouldnt even be in consideration.

[Caleb Cattivera]

where's the giants fans at? and what excuses will they have now.

[unwritten]

Duh, fuck that bitch.

[Jason Tate]

:tool:

[rcrook]

barry should listen to that coheed lyric "pull the trigger and the nightmare stops"

[unwritten]

where's the giants fans at? and what excuses will they have now.

Have you been saving that avatar for this day? lol

[Caleb Cattivera]

Have you been saving that avatar for this day? lol

haha yes! it had to come eventually right?

[Johnny_G]

Bout time this came to print. His HR record should be thrown out and HOF should be out of the question if this proves to be true (It's hard to imagine it not being true).

[unwritten]

haha yes! it had to come eventually right?

I'm just surprised it took this long.

[itsjdiggity]

what a cocksucker

go dodgers

[LeftWideOpen]

I've never been so happy to see someone suffer.

Here are just a few excerpts implicating Bonds! Enjoy!

• Bonds was motivated to take performance-enhancing drugs by Mark McGwire-Sammy Sosa chase of the single-season home run record in 1998 and he had never taken any before 1998.

• Through research, Bonds developed a deep knowledge of performance enhancers. He even talked, through third parties, to medical authorities who advised him not to use steroids.

• He began with Winstrol after the 1998 season. He also worked out extensively, sometimes spending 12 hours a day at the gym where he met the Weight Guru, who turned out to be Greg Anderson.

• San Francisco club officials, despite seeing a big change in Bonds' physical appearance, did not challenge their star in an effort not to upset him. "The Giants, from owner Peter Magowan to manager Dusty Baker, had no interest in learning whether Bonds was using steroids, either," the excerpt contends. "Although it was illegal to use the drugs without a prescription, baseball had never banned steroids. Besides, by pursuing the issue, the Giants ran the risk of poisoning their relationship with their touchy superstar -- or, worse, of precipitating a drug scandal the year before the opening of their new ballpark, where Bonds was supposed to be the main gate attraction."

• Anderson kept meticulous records on Bonds' program, many of them on a computer. At times, Bonds gulped as many as 20 pills at a time. He also learned to inject himself.

• According to the excerpt, Anderson told an acquaintance who was wearing a wire in 2003 that: "The whole thing is, everything I've been doing, it's all undetectable. The stuff I have, we created it. You can't buy it anywhere else; you can't get it anywhere else. You can take [it] the day of [a drug test], pee, and it comes up clear.

"See, like Marion Jones and them -- it's the same stuff they went to the Olympics with and they test them every f------ week. So that's why I know it works, so that's why I know we're not in trouble. So that's cool."

hahahahaha.

[asianxcore]

Are you guys serious?, Your going to listen to a book?, how is this any diffrent than his old trainer saying he took them? THERE IS NO FACT TO HIM TAKING STERIODS, JUST ALLEGATIONS. when i see a picture or direct quote from barry himself, or A POSITIVE DRUG TEST. I will bealive it. STFU, go Giants.

[unwritten]

http://www.bongonews.com/StoryImages/barry_bonds_2004-12-15.jpg

[unwritten]

Are you guys serious?, Your going to listen to a book?, how is this any diffrent than his old trainer saying he took them? THERE IS NO FACT TO HIM TAKING STERIODS, JUST ALLEGATIONS. when i see a picture or direct quote from barry himself, or A POSITIVE DRUG TEST. I will bealive it. STFU, go Giants.

http://espn.go.com/media/radio/2004/1203/photo/bondsjr_i.jpg

[LeftWideOpen]

Are you guys serious?, Your going to listen to a book?, how is this any diffrent than his old trainer saying he took them? THERE IS NO FACT TO HIM TAKING STERIODS, JUST ALLEGATIONS. when i see a picture or direct quote from barry himself, or A POSITIVE DRUG TEST. I will bealive it. STFU, go Giants.


The book, written in narrative style, is said to be based on more than a thousand pages of documents and interviews with more than 200 people.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Are you guys serious?, Your going to listen to a book?, how is this any diffrent than his old trainer saying he took them? THERE IS NO FACT TO HIM TAKING STERIODS, JUST ALLEGATIONS. when i see a picture or direct quote from barry himself, or A POSITIVE DRUG TEST. I will bealive it. STFU, go Giants.

DENIAL!

everyone said the same fucking thing about jose's book.

did you even read the article dude?

[asianxcore]

The book, written in narrative style, is said to be based on more than a thousand pages of documents and interviews with more than 200 people.
Give me a direct motherfucking quote.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Give me a direct motherfucking quote.

what a bitch.

[LeftWideOpen]

Give me a direct motherfucking quote.

i'll be glad to send you quote, upon quote, upon quote after i buy the book.

[asianxcore]

DENIAL!

everyone said the same fucking thing about jose's book.

did you even read the article dude?
Dude, yeah! It doesnt mean shit. How is this any diffrent than Victor Conte saying he used steriods? Oh, also has Barry ever been tested positive for Steriods?

[Caleb Cattivera]

Dude, yeah! It doesnt mean shit. How is this any diffrent than Victor Conte saying he used steriods? Oh, also has Barry ever been tested positive for Steriods?

he's never been tested. i like how he went out all last year with an injury, right when they started steroid testing. hmmmm.

[asianxcore]

what a bitch.
You've been waiting for some fake shit like this ever since Mark Mcgwire went down. My team doesnt cheat.

[Caleb Cattivera]

You've been waiting for some fake shit like this ever since Mark Mcgwire went down. My team doesnt cheat.

hahahaha mark mcgwire doesnt belong in the hall either. im not a mcgwire fan. he never helped us.

mcqwire, bonds, etc none of them dont deserve the hall.

[LeftWideOpen]

Dude, yeah! It doesnt mean shit. How is this any diffrent than Victor Conte saying he used steriods? Oh, also has Barry ever been tested positive for Steriods?

"At the end of [the] 2002, 2003 season, when I was going through [a bad period,] my dad died of cancer.... I was fatigued, just needed recovery you know, and this guy says, 'Try this cream, try this cream,'" he said. "And Greg came to the ballpark and said, you know, 'This will help you recover.' And he rubbed some cream on my arm ... gave me some flaxseed oil, man. It's like, 'Whatever, dude.'

"You know me, I'm 39 years old. I'm dealing with pain. All I want is the pain relief, you know? ... I never asked Greg," according to the excerpt. "When he said it was flaxseed oil, I just said, 'Whatever.' It was in the ballpark ... in front of everybody. I mean, all the reporters, my teammates. I mean, they all saw it. I didn't hide it ... . You know, trainers come up to me and say, 'Hey, Barry, try this.' "

????

[asianxcore]

he's never been tested. i like how he went out all last year with an injury, right when they started steroid testing. hmmmm.
He's never been tested? Are you on drugs?

[mikeford]

yeah, cuz people who cheat always admit it right away. pete rose admitted to betting on baseball right away. it didnt take like 35 years for him to admit it, and even then only as a way to promote his book.

youre right. no one ever lies, and woodward and bernstein were wrong about watergate too.

open your eyes, you fuck.

[weezer182]

You've been waiting for some fake shit like this ever since Mark Mcgwire went down. My team doesnt cheat.even if he did do steriods, it doesnt mean the giants cheat

[Caleb Cattivera]

He's never been tested? Are you on drugs?

are you fat.

[asianxcore]

"At the end of [the] 2002, 2003 season, when I was going through [a bad period,] my dad died of cancer.... I was fatigued, just needed recovery you know, and this guy says, 'Try this cream, try this cream,'" he said. "And Greg came to the ballpark and said, you know, 'This will help you recover.' And he rubbed some cream on my arm ... gave me some flaxseed oil, man. It's like, 'Whatever, dude.'

"You know me, I'm 39 years old. I'm dealing with pain. All I want is the pain relief, you know? ... I never asked Greg," according to the excerpt. "When he said it was flaxseed oil, I just said, 'Whatever.' It was in the ballpark ... in front of everybody. I mean, all the reporters, my teammates. I mean, they all saw it. I didn't hide it ... . You know, trainers come up to me and say, 'Hey, Barry, try this.' "

????
Now take the supplements he used and look up when they became illegal? Once you do that come back and talk.

[LeftWideOpen]

My team doesnt cheat.

In all seriousness dude, how old are you?

[Caleb Cattivera]

even if he did do steriods, it doesnt mean the giants cheat

EXACTLY. its one guy whos cheating.

[asianxcore]

are you fat.
Awesome comeback. Also when you look at the BMI scale, i am normal. You can do it if you wish. I am 6'3" 190 pounds. Thanks.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

haha yes! it had to come eventually right?

This is why I like you.

You like Sports, Music, and ripping on Barry Bonds.

Years and years ago, he played here in Pittsburgh.

When he comes to town, we still boo him.

[asianxcore]

In all seriousness dude, how old are you?
Sixteen. Does that matter?, I'm proving my point, much better than you are.

[Vincewithouthee]

Good. Glad to see this. I hate Barry Bonds more than any player in any sport.

Everyone knows that he had to do steroids, seriously. And I'm sure he has had steroids that are undetectable with tests. There are a ton of drugs that are.

[asianxcore]

yeah, cuz people who cheat always admit it right away. pete rose admitted to betting on baseball right away. it didnt take like 35 years for him to admit it, and even then only as a way to promote his book.

youre right. no one ever lies, and woodward and bernstein were wrong about watergate too.

open your eyes, you fuck.
Who are your heros?

[asianxcore]

This is why I like you.

You like Sports, Music, and ripping on Barry Bonds.

Years and years ago, he played here in Pittsburgh.

When he comes to town, we still boo him.
Go wait in the car.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Sixteen. Does that matter?, I'm proving my point, much better than you are.

you havent proved anything fatty.

[Vincewithouthee]

Sixteen. Does that matter?, I'm proving my point, much better than you are.

No you're not. You're retarded.

[asianxcore]

you havent proved anything fatty.
hows your dad?

[FondestMemory]

i've been a huge bonds fan since his pittsburgh days. and i kept being a fan when he went to san fran.

you guys can have your opinions, and i'll have mine. these excerpts don't change mine. there's nothing new. and it's all hearsay and speculation. it'll take more than this for me to turn away from him.

rip me all ya want. that's where i stand.

[Caleb Cattivera]

i've been a huge bonds fan since his pittsburgh days. and i kept being a fan when he went to san fran.

you guys can have your opinions, and i'll have mine. these excerpts don't change mine. there's nothing new. and it's all hearsay and speculation. it'll take more than this for me to turn away from him.

rip me all ya want. i would love to suck barry bonds big black dick.

fixed

[unwritten]

At least Jason Giambi was a man and came out and apologized. Fuck Bonds. His time will come.

[asianxcore]

i've been a huge bonds fan since his pittsburgh days. and i kept being a fan when he went to san fran.

you guys can have your opinions, and i'll have mine. these excerpts don't change mine. there's nothing new. and it's all hearsay and speculation. it'll take more than this for me to turn away from him.

rip me all ya want. that's where i stand.
word.

[unwritten]

fixed


hahaha

[LeftWideOpen]

i've been a huge bonds fan since his pittsburgh days. and i kept being a fan when he went to san fran.

you guys can have your opinions, and i'll have mine. these excerpts don't change mine. there's nothing new. and it's all hearsay and speculation. it'll take more than this for me to turn away from him.

rip me all ya want. that's where i stand.

i just don't see how anyone can proclaim this guy as not guility if they step back from being a fan for a minute ..

hell, even i can admit curt schilling is the biggest douchebag in all of sports.

[FondestMemory]

fixed

exactly, just like you wanna go down on everybody who you're a fan of.

[mikeford]

Who are your heros?

that squirrel that can water ski.

pretty sure he aint injecting no steroids.

[LostSymphonies]

fuck barry bonds, i hope he takes a fastball to the face and it either disfigures or kills him

[asianxcore]

that squirrel that can water ski.

pretty sure he aint injecting no steroids.
he is, i read 1000 documents on him and talked to 79 other squirls.

[mikeford]

all of you bonds supporters won't even read the book. its like idiots who believe the bible is word for word truth and are too scared of what they might find if they actually did some research.

[Caleb Cattivera]

that squirrel that can water ski.

pretty sure he aint injecting no steroids.

HA oh man.

[asianxcore]

HA oh man.
you missed my reply? ***

[Caleb Cattivera]

exactly, just like you wanna go down on everybody who you're a fan of.

well considering my favorite players in each sport are the likes of jamal mashburn, whos an injured bum, ray lankford, who was a medicore cardinal, and other atheletes who people probably dont have as their favorite. no.

[mikeford]

nice comeback dude. too bad your documents don't exist, and these writers documents on bonds do.

but you stated that youre 16, and i don't argue with children. so, ignored.

[asianxcore]

well considering my favorite players in each sport are the likes of jamal mashburn, whos an injured bum, ray lankford, who was a medicore cardinal, and other atheletes who people probably dont have as their favorite. no.
dee brown is a gay, and he does steriods.

[asianxcore]

nice comeback dude. too bad your documents don't exist, and these writers documents on bonds do.

but you stated that youre 16, and i don't argue with children. so, ignored.
what makes the reporters documents more legit than mine? do you know the reporters?

[Jason Tate]

dee brown is a gay, and he does steriods.
Even if he did (you quack) he isn't trying to break one of the most historic records in all of sports.

[Jason Tate]

what makes the reporters documents more legit than mine? do you know the reporters?
Real documents vs fake documents. Let me think ...

Homer.

[asianxcore]

Real documents vs fake documents. Let me think ...

Homer.
gonzaga and duke let me think...


fairweather fan.

[mikeford]

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO UNCOVERED THE BALCO SCANDAL.

THEY FELT THE INFO THEY HAD WAS ENOUGH TO BRING IN FRONT OF A GRAND JURY

do you know what a grand jury is little boy? its a serious legal body.

i'm pretty sure they know a lot more than you.

[Vincewithouthee]

Wow....asianxcore gets owned by everyone in every thread and he still keeps arguing and arguing knowing he's wrong.

It's sad, really.

[Jason Tate]

gonzaga and duke let me think...


fairweather fan.
Where my best friend went to college, my sister is probably going to college, my other bestfriend's sister is going to college and a team I've followed for over 12 years.

Yah. Fairweather fan.

At least my fairweather teams don't do illegal substances to break records ...

[hockey0001]

hahahahahhaha...Bonds is such a bitch

[Caleb Cattivera]

gonzaga and duke let me think...


fairweather fan.

bye bye

[Caleb Cattivera]

dee brown is a gay, and he does steriods.

haha who cares if dee brown is gay or not. he beat wisconsin right?

[Jason Tate]

http://www.brianbehrend.com/archives/images/bonds-cheater.jpg

[Jason Tate]

http://www.foxnews.com/images/154024/0_22_bell_kimberly.jpg

[Jason Tate]

http://liberalorder.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/bondshr.png

[unwritten]

http://www.foxnews.com/images/154024/0_22_bell_kimberly.jpg

hahahaha

[Jason Tate]

http://vacation.generalsquarterly.com/images/Picture%203.jpg

[Jason Tate]

this is fun

[LeftWideOpen]

bye bye

please tell me its true.

[hockey0001]

http://www.foxnews.com/images/154024/0_22_bell_kimberly.jpg

That mistress is only based on hearsay, she didnt actually exist. Until i get a direct quote from Bonds admitting to it, he did not cheat on his wife. Despite overwhelming evidence against him[/arguing like asianxcore]

[Barry Bonds]

I did steroids. Sorry asianxcore, I did. I hate to break it to you, and I was going to tell you tonight at our special dinner. But, this couldn't wait.

Wanna hug?

http://www.allaboardtoys.com/assets/product_imagesm/FM-P616KP.jpg

[mikeford]

all i have to say to this kid is: do you believe in evolution?

cuz thats just a "theory" too, just like bonds taking steroids is just a "theory".

but both of them have mountains of evidence in their favor.

[LeftWideOpen]

That mistress is only based on hearsay, she didnt actually exist. Until i get a direct quote from Bonds admitting to it, he did not cheat on his wife. Despite overwhelming evidence against him[/arguing like asianxcore]

it's bud selig in a woman's costume [/arguing like asianxcore]

[LeftWideOpen]

I did steroids. Sorry asianxcore, I did. I hate to break it to you, and I was going to tell you tonight at our special dinner. But, this couldn't wait.

Wanna hug?

hahahaha.

[Vincewithouthee]

I did steroids. Sorry asianxcore, I did. I hate to break it to you, and I was going to tell you tonight at our special dinner. But, this couldn't wait.

Wanna hug?



hahahaha! yes

[GoWaitInTheCar]

Go wait in the car.

Good one asianxcore.

I don't even have to do a funny reference. It's already given.

[Vincewithouthee]

1) Bonds hit five home runs in 14 games last season. Will he hit 48 home runs in 2006 to surpass Hank Aaron?

80.5% No
19.5% Yes

2) Do you want to see Bonds break Aaron's home run record?

71.4% No
28.6% Yes

3) If Bonds ties or breaks the record on the road, how do you think the crowd will react?

39.8% Mixture of applause and boos
25.3% Lengthy standing ovation
21.5% Mostly supportive applause
13.3% Mostly silence or boos

4) Bonds was quoted as saying, ''Thank you for all of your criticism. Thank you for dogging me.'' Do you believe the media has been fair to Bonds in its coverage of MLB's steroid problem?

65.9% Yes
34.1% No

5) Do you belive Bonds used steroids?

76.8% Yes, knowingly
15.1% Yes, unknowingly
8.1% No

6) If he doesn't break the record in 2006, would you want to see Bonds play in 2007 and possibly beyond?

70.0% No
30.0% Yes

7) To what would you attribute him not breaking the record?

64.2% Age and injuries
35.8% Baseball's new drug policy

8) Do you think Bonds will change his mind about retiring at the end of the 2006 season?

60.4% Yes
39.6% No

Total Votes: 12,085

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/polling?event_id=2029

I bet 1000000 more people agree with those numbers

[GoWaitInTheCar]

http://vacation.generalsquarterly.com/images/Picture%203.jpg

63% of people already dislike him no matter if he was truthful or not.

Hahaha.

[FASSWcore]

surprised i am not

[hockey0001]

I did steroids. Sorry asianxcore, I did. I hate to break it to you, and I was going to tell you tonight at our special dinner. But, this couldn't wait.

Wanna hug?

http://www.allaboardtoys.com/assets/product_imagesm/FM-P616KP.jpg


hahahah, well played sir

[LeftWideOpen]

AMES, IA--Members of the Make-A-Wish Foundation struggled to come up with a response to a dying 9-year-old boy’s request that they punch slugger Barry Bonds in the nuts repeatedly. The boy, Danny Wickman of Ames, Iowa, reportedly hates Bonds and wants nothing more than to see him in debilitating pain. The director of the foundation said that it was the first such request that he had ever received.

“That’s a first. Obviously the kid really hates Barry Bonds, as a lot of people do, but I don’t know if we can comply with his request,” said Charles Hopkinton, managing director of Make-A-Wish. “We’ll have to call Barry and see if he’s OK with it. I mean, it is his dying wish, so we should do everything we can to make it happen. What really strikes me though, is the fact that he [Danny] isn’t even interested in doing it himself. He's happy just to watch someone else do it. Now that’s hatred.”

Wickman has been diagnosed with tuberculosis and is expected to live another six months. Upon hearing about his condition through a mutual friend, Hopkinton immediately met little Danny to set him up with the foundation. After mulling over his wish, Danny decided it would be fun to watch his least favorite ball player get punched in the nuts.

“I kept asking him if he was sure,” said Hopkinton. “And he kept saying ‘yes.’ I offered him all kinds of other stuff, but he was adamant. He wants to see Bonds doubled over in pain before he dies.”

Hopkinton apparently offered Wickman a chance to meet Lebron James, have a one-on-one dinner with Brett Favre, and get an all access pass to the Minnesota Vikings training camp. As appealing as these offers sounded, nothing was more appealing than the ruthless beating of Bonds.

Hopkinton has been trying to come up with a way to present the idea to Bonds. He does not expect the slugger to agree to have his testicles punched, but he may agree to make an appearance with young Danny, at which point they could ambush him.

[Jason Tate]

AMES, IA--Members of the Make-A-Wish Foundation struggled to come up with a response to a dying 9-year-old boy’s request that they punch slugger Barry Bonds in the nuts repeatedly. The boy, Danny Wickman of Ames, Iowa, reportedly hates Bonds and wants nothing more than to see him in debilitating pain. The director of the foundation said that it was the first such request that he had ever received.

“That’s a first. Obviously the kid really hates Barry Bonds, as a lot of people do, but I don’t know if we can comply with his request,” said Charles Hopkinton, managing director of Make-A-Wish. “We’ll have to call Barry and see if he’s OK with it. I mean, it is his dying wish, so we should do everything we can to make it happen. What really strikes me though, is the fact that he [Danny] isn’t even interested in doing it himself. He's happy just to watch someone else do it. Now that’s hatred.”

Wickman has been diagnosed with tuberculosis and is expected to live another six months. Upon hearing about his condition through a mutual friend, Hopkinton immediately met little Danny to set him up with the foundation. After mulling over his wish, Danny decided it would be fun to watch his least favorite ball player get punched in the nuts.

“I kept asking him if he was sure,” said Hopkinton. “And he kept saying ‘yes.’ I offered him all kinds of other stuff, but he was adamant. He wants to see Bonds doubled over in pain before he dies.”

Hopkinton apparently offered Wickman a chance to meet Lebron James, have a one-on-one dinner with Brett Favre, and get an all access pass to the Minnesota Vikings training camp. As appealing as these offers sounded, nothing was more appealing than the ruthless beating of Bonds.

Hopkinton has been trying to come up with a way to present the idea to Bonds. He does not expect the slugger to agree to have his testicles punched, but he may agree to make an appearance with young Danny, at which point they could ambush him.
:LOL:

[Vincewithouthee]

AMES, IA--Members of the Make-A-Wish Foundation struggled to come up with a response to a dying 9-year-old boy’s request that they punch slugger Barry Bonds in the nuts repeatedly. The boy, Danny Wickman of Ames, Iowa, reportedly hates Bonds and wants nothing more than to see him in debilitating pain. The director of the foundation said that it was the first such request that he had ever received.

“That’s a first. Obviously the kid really hates Barry Bonds, as a lot of people do, but I don’t know if we can comply with his request,” said Charles Hopkinton, managing director of Make-A-Wish. “We’ll have to call Barry and see if he’s OK with it. I mean, it is his dying wish, so we should do everything we can to make it happen. What really strikes me though, is the fact that he [Danny] isn’t even interested in doing it himself. He's happy just to watch someone else do it. Now that’s hatred.”

Wickman has been diagnosed with tuberculosis and is expected to live another six months. Upon hearing about his condition through a mutual friend, Hopkinton immediately met little Danny to set him up with the foundation. After mulling over his wish, Danny decided it would be fun to watch his least favorite ball player get punched in the nuts.

“I kept asking him if he was sure,” said Hopkinton. “And he kept saying ‘yes.’ I offered him all kinds of other stuff, but he was adamant. He wants to see Bonds doubled over in pain before he dies.”

Hopkinton apparently offered Wickman a chance to meet Lebron James, have a one-on-one dinner with Brett Favre, and get an all access pass to the Minnesota Vikings training camp. As appealing as these offers sounded, nothing was more appealing than the ruthless beating of Bonds.

Hopkinton has been trying to come up with a way to present the idea to Bonds. He does not expect the slugger to agree to have his testicles punched, but he may agree to make an appearance with young Danny, at which point they could ambush him.

hahahaha thats good. I would wish for something better than that though.

[the_champ_is_here]

I came here looking for this thread and I loved every second of it

[wecanbeheros]

hahahahhaa. this is a great thread

[wecanbeheros]

http://espn.go.com/media/radio/2004/1203/photo/bondsjr_i.jpg

[asianxcore]

who is watching around the horn?, michael smith, and bill plaschke said everything ive been trying to say.

[mikeford]

do you believe in evolution? its a simple yes or no question.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

who is watching around the horn?, michael smith, and bill plaschke said everything ive been trying to say.
Michael Smith and Bill Plaschke are morons. I stopped watching ATH because the arguments on that show make me want to hurl.

[asianxcore]

do you believe in evolution? its a simple yes or no question.
if it were a simply yes or no question people wouldnt spend their entire lives trying to figure it out, you fucking moron, go watch the nba.

[wecanbeheros]

if it were a simply yes or no question people wouldnt spend their entire lives trying to figure it out, you fucking moron, go watch the nba.

pwnage

[NetNerdsRevenge]

go away. you give nothing to the sports forum, at all. I spend 90% of my time in the baseball threads and so far have yet too see you present an intelligent, well thought out argument.

EDIT: asainxcore

[wecanbeheros]

go away. you give nothing to the sports forum, at all. I spend 90% of my time in the baseball threads and so far have yet too see you present an intelligent, well thought out argument.

EDIT: asainxcore

pwnage

[Emopunkthrice]

Even this 14 yr old kid right here says bonds is guilty, but of course every giants fan will stand for him...its pretty much like trying to tell a squirrel that it can't eat acorns anymore...as for everybody pwning asianxcore, give the kid a break...but I'm 14 so of course these are useless statements.

P.S. This is the best day of sports news in 2006.

[asianxcore]

Even this 14 yr old kid right here says bonds is guilty, but of course every giants fan will stand for him...its pretty much like trying to tell a squirrel that it can't eat acorns anymore...as for everybody pwning asianxcore, give the kid a break...but I'm 14 so of course these are useless statements.

P.S. This is the best day of sports news in 2006.
I dont feel "pwned" at all, i stood up for what I thought, and of course people are going to reject it. Hell if I went along with everything here this place would be a little more boaring.

[imirish06]

It's ashame an honest homerun record was broken by the two cheating assholes of McGuire and Bonds

[sweethypocrisy]

1) Bonds hit five home runs in 14 games last season. Will he hit 48 home runs in 2006 to surpass Hank Aaron?

80.5% No
19.5% Yes

2) Do you want to see Bonds break Aaron's home run record?

71.4% No
28.6% Yes

3) If Bonds ties or breaks the record on the road, how do you think the crowd will react?

39.8% Mixture of applause and boos
25.3% Lengthy standing ovation
21.5% Mostly supportive applause
13.3% Mostly silence or boos

4) Bonds was quoted as saying, ''Thank you for all of your criticism. Thank you for dogging me.'' Do you believe the media has been fair to Bonds in its coverage of MLB's steroid problem?

65.9% Yes
34.1% No

5) Do you belive Bonds used steroids?

76.8% Yes, knowingly
15.1% Yes, unknowingly
8.1% No

6) If he doesn't break the record in 2006, would you want to see Bonds play in 2007 and possibly beyond?

70.0% No
30.0% Yes

7) To what would you attribute him not breaking the record?

64.2% Age and injuries
35.8% Baseball's new drug policy

8) Do you think Bonds will change his mind about retiring at the end of the 2006 season?

60.4% Yes
39.6% No

Total Votes: 12,085

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/polling?event_id=2029

I bet 1000000 more people agree with those numbers
this doesnt mean anything, more people voted for bush than kerry, and that doesnt make bush a good president.

ps fuck barry bonds.

[imirish06]

Barry said flaxseed oil is what helped him??? Fucking flaxseed has nothign to do with building muscle

[asianxcore]

It's ashame an honest homerun record was broken by the two cheating assholes of McGuire and Bonds
can you prove bonds cheated?

[mikeford]

they just did in this book.

he admitted he took steroids "unknowingly" to a grand jury.

thats still cheating.

[asianxcore]

Barry said flaxseed oil is what helped him??? Fucking flaxseed has nothign to do with building muscle
stop talking, flaxseed helped him cool down and relax his muscles, what it really was the clear (LEGAL supplements at the time) which helped build more muscle.

[asianxcore]

they just did in this book.

he admitted he took steroids "unknowingly" to a grand jury.

thats still cheating.
what the hell did the book prove? did you read the book? also i find it interesting that two chronical reporters would write a book about it, when they could of put it in the paper...for free. Was it lack of credibility that didnt allow the story/"facts" to be published? Why wouldnt this have been brought up months ago? This isnt new stuff, its the same shit.

[RockVocalPower]

BREAKING NEWS: Barry Bonds is a piece of shit.

[asianxcore]

they just did in this book.

he admitted he took steroids "unknowingly" to a grand jury.

thats still cheating.
do you believe in god?

[imirish06]

stop talking, flaxseed helped him cool down and relax his muscles, what it really was the clear (LEGAL supplements at the time) which helped build more muscle.

And what supplements were they?

[asianxcore]

And what supplements were they?
did you not read my post?

[mikeford]

you are seriously the most naive person i've ever run across. do you still believe in santa? or that the stork brought your baby brother to your house? i mean seriously... why didnt they publish it in the paper? probably because its enough information to fill a BOOK. books generally push about 200+ pages. a page is of a book is usually about 250-300 words. do the math stupid. a newspaper column is usually from 700 to 1000 words. also, this WAS brought up months ago. the book is just going to go into greater detail. youre seriously acting like an infant. stop it.

[imirish06]

And what supplements were they?

No, I didn't. I'm not scrolling through pages to find it either. I'm ask you what were the names of the supplements he took.

[mikeford]

do you believe in god?

no. god is one of the white man's lies. an opiate of the masses.

[asianxcore]

you are seriously the most naive person i've ever run across. do you still believe in santa? or that the stork brought your baby brother to your house? i mean seriously... why didnt they publish it in the paper? probably because its enough information to fill a BOOK. books generally push about 200+ pages. a page is of a book is usually about 250-300 words. do the math stupid. a newspaper column is usually from 700 to 1000 words. also, this WAS brought up months ago. the book is just going to go into greater detail. youre seriously acting like an infant. stop it.
But if it were so fucking groundbraking it couldnt be posted in the paper? not even a little blrub? I asked do you believe in god?

[asianxcore]

no. god is one of the white man's lies. an opiate of the masses.
but there is a great book on his son, of everything wonderful he did and what god does, how can you not belive in something that has a BOOK about it? why are you so niave, there is a book!

[mikeford]

and by the way ***got, steroids arent supplements.
and guess what, the clear was a STEROID.

During grand jury testimony on December 4, 2003 — which was obtained through unknown means by the San Francisco Chronicle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Chronicle) and published almost a year later, on December 3, 2004 [3] (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/12/03/MNGGFA0UDU65.DTL) — Bonds said Anderson gave him a rubbing balm and a liquid substance he called "the cream" and "the clear". BALCO founder Victor Conte had identified "the clear" as the designer steroid THG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrogestrinone), and prosecutors contended "the cream (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_cream)" was a testosterone-based ointment. Bonds said that at the time he did not believe them to be steroids. Bonds would later quote that he "unwillingly" used steroids for his defense.

[anishkabob]

i believe he did it. i think he should admit it.

that being said:

go matt morris.
go jason schmidt
go giants.

[LeftWideOpen]

what the hell did the book prove? did you read the book? also i find it interesting that two chronical reporters would write a book about it, when they could of put it in the paper...for free. Was it lack of credibility that didnt allow the story/"facts" to be published? .

Wow. :shoot:

It's in a book and not a paper because 1) what mikeford already said, you cant fit all the incriminating evidence into a couple editions of a newspaper 2) A profit. This is going to be a huge seller because it's basically implicating Bonds AND backing it up.

[asianxcore]

I didnt think people hated me this much, are you people out of your fucking minds? If something was that incriminating THEY WOULD PUT IT IN THE PAPER, they wouldnt hold out for a book deal. If you have something saying "we recorded bonds talking about the steriods", and then the quote, and maybe a direct quote from the person who listened to it all, would be incriminating enough. That takes up 100 words. You guys are really set on this book, so you guys believe in the "bat kid" too?, and everything else you read in the national enquier.

[asianxcore]

Bonds has gained weight over his career. This is not uncommon for an athlete. One simply has to look at Roger Clemens to see a similar weight gain, and nobody accuses him of taking steroids. The Rocket broke into the league in 1985 at 6"4 and weighing 205 lbs. Barry Bonds in 1987, as a rookie, was 6"1 and 185 pounds. Today Roger weighs 235, and Barry weighs 230. Barry has gained only ten more pounds, but surprisingly he also grew an inch.

[asianxcore]

and by the way ***got, steroids arent supplements.
and guess what, the clear was a STEROID.

During grand jury testimony on December 4, 2003 — which was obtained through unknown means by the San Francisco Chronicle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Chronicle) and published almost a year later, on December 3, 2004 [3] (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/12/03/MNGGFA0UDU65.DTL) — Bonds said Anderson gave him a rubbing balm and a liquid substance he called "the cream" and "the clear". BALCO founder Victor Conte had identified "the clear" as the designer steroid THG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrogestrinone), and prosecutors contended "the cream (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_cream)" was a testosterone-based ointment. Bonds said that at the time he did not believe them to be steroids. Bonds would later quote that he "unwillingly" used steroids for his defense.
The players were never tested for THG, the steroid Bonds is accused of using. The FDA deemed the drug illegal only in 2003, and was banned this year by Major League Baseball (MLB) after senatorial pressure. The year Bonds hit 73 homeruns, this drug was not illegal, nor was it tested for. He did nothing he can be punished for by MLB unless he tests positive this year. The word loophole has just entered my mind.


suck my fucking ballsack BITCH

[Caleb Cattivera]

Bonds has gained weight over his career. This is not uncommon for an athlete. One simply has to look at Roger Clemens to see a similar weight gain, and nobody accuses him of taking steroids. The Rocket broke into the league in 1985 at 6"4 and weighing 205 lbs. Barry Bonds in 1987, as a rookie, was 6"1 and 185 pounds. Today Roger weighs 235, and Barry weighs 230. Barry has gained only ten more pounds, but surprisingly he also grew an inch.

hahahahahahaha. rockets not exactly ripped like bonds.

and his head isnt huge.

[asianxcore]

hahahahahahaha. rockets not exactly ripped like bonds.

and his head isnt huge.
side affects for steriods

youre right im a fucking idiot.

[mikeford]

you are stupid. you can't "incriminate" anyone for doing illegal drugs after the fact. they have to be caught in the act and in possession of the material.

that said, this has been discussed over and over in the paper. youre from illinois and youre 16, you obviously don't read the chronicle.

[mikeford]

cool. fine. who cares if it was banned by baseball? the dude TOOK STEROIDS. HE ADMITTED IT TO A GRAND JURY, EVEN IF HE SAID HE DIDNT KNOW THEY WERE STEROIDS. HE TOOK STEROIDS. LET IT GO.

[imirish06]

The players were never tested for THG, the steroid Bonds is accused of using. The FDA deemed the drug illegal only in 2003, and was banned this year by Major League Baseball (MLB) after senatorial pressure. The year Bonds hit 73 homeruns, this drug was not illegal, nor was it tested for. He did nothing he can be punished for by MLB unless he tests positive this year. The word loophole has just entered my mind.


suck my fucking ballsack BITCH

It wasn't illegal nor tested for at the time because it was a new form of a anabolic steroid on the market. It's also very very very similiar to the roid called trenbolone acetate...a fucking cattle steroid.

wasn't it stated that he also took clomid? guys don't take fucking clomid unless they're going through PCT.


you know nothing about steroids or how to use them. if you did, it would be so obvious the guy did roids.

[asianxcore]

cool. fine. who cares if it was banned by baseball? the dude TOOK STEROIDS. HE ADMITTED IT TO A GRAND JURY, EVEN IF HE SAID HE DIDNT KNOW THEY WERE STEROIDS. HE TOOK STEROIDS. LET IT GO.
fine he took steriods fine you win, but they wernt illegal, therefor he never cheated.

[imirish06]

fine he took steriods fine you win, but they wernt illegal, therefor he never cheated.


steroids aren't steroids because they're illegal you little twat. legal or not he took synthetic hormones that cause muscle and bone growth.

[LeftWideOpen]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2358771

for once, me and gene wojciechowski are on the same page. except he ruined what may have been a good article by bringing kirby puckett into it at the end.

Another interesting article on how Bonds may have begun using andro before even McGwire ..

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2358409

[Emopunkthrice]

How will the HOF committee respond to this I wonder or even that damn Selig

[LeftWideOpen]

How will the HOF committee respond to this I wonder or even that damn Selig

the initial reaction from *credible* journalists like buster olney is that the HOF isn't going to happen. This book may be the icing on the cake.

[imirish06]

that sombitch better not get in over pete

[SePaMc]

he's never been tested. i like how he went out all last year with an injury, right when they started steroid testing. hmmmm.

HAHAHAHA. i hope someone negated this already, but if not...HE WAS TESTED 3 TIMES LAST YEAR, even while injured.

[SePaMc]

cool. fine. who cares if it was banned by baseball? the dude TOOK STEROIDS. HE ADMITTED IT TO A GRAND JURY, EVEN IF HE SAID HE DIDNT KNOW THEY WERE STEROIDS. HE TOOK STEROIDS. LET IT GO.

ok he said this 3 years ago, and published 2 years ago. why are u going apeshit over a book that proves what you already knew?

[Trainsaw]

Its about time, fuck Barry Bonds.

[Caleb Cattivera]

HAHAHAHA. i hope someone negated this already, but if not...HE WAS TESTED 3 TIMES LAST YEAR, even while injured.

i didnt realize this. my bad.

he's still a cheater. and doesnt deserve to be in the HOF.

[Doug]

this looked fun. wish i could have been part of it. i don't hate barry bonds half as much as the world does, but it's obvious the guy is on roids. and i'm glad someone has made it official.

[Trainsaw]

i didnt realize this. my bad.

he's still a cheater. and doesnt deserve to be in the HOF.
Very True. Aaron hit 755 w/o any type of performance enchaning drugs, Ruth hit 714 w/ just fat. Bonds doesn't even come near comparison of either one of those players and this now just solidfies it. No one ever doubted Pete Rose betted on baseball but it came out in the same way as the Bonds issue is coming out now. What's the difference between Bonds and Rose both denying it?

[Doug]

as for HOF and records standing, steroids were not against baseball rules, records should stand, and bonds should make the HOF based on stats prior to 1998.

[Trainsaw]

as for HOF and records standing, steroids were not against baseball rules, records should stand, and bonds should make the HOF based on stats prior to 1998.
He shouldn't even have the opportunity to make it in, cheating should negate everything he's done.

[Doug]

He shouldn't even have the opportunity to make it in, cheating should negate everything he's done.

but according to baseball rules. using steroids wasn't cheating

[Trainsaw]

but according to baseball rules. using steroids wasn't cheating
Rose was a remarkable hitter before he started betting on baseball right?

[SePaMc]

Rose CHEATED. Betting on baseball was a no-no and still is. Every clubhouse has notices about betting on it.

if Bonds used steroids, he did so prior to the testing and implementation of rules against it. Since it has been not allowed, he has been tested and has come up clean.

Betting was ALWAYS against the rules, steroids was not. Don't compare the two.

[Doug]

Rose was a remarkable hitter before he started betting on baseball right?

listen, i'm not gonna waste time arguing for barry bonds. the statement above has nothing to do with the fact that using steroids wasn't cheating according to baseball rules before they started testing. i will feel an injustice if one of the best players of the 90's is not in the hall of fame just as there is an injustice that pete rose is not in the hall of fame.

[Trainsaw]

listen, i'm not gonna waste time arguing for barry bonds. the statement above has nothing to do with the fact that using steroids wasn't cheating according to baseball rules before they started testing. i will feel an injustice if one of the best players of the 90's is not in the hall of fame just as there is an injustice that pete rose is not in the hall of fame.
I'm just making a case that's how the rules are, you shouldn't be able to pick and choose a time frame for someone to get into the hall. If they did something wrong then they shouldn't be able to have any of the priviliges of the sport.

[Trainsaw]

Rose CHEATED. Betting on baseball was a no-no and still is. Every clubhouse has notices about betting on it.

if Bonds used steroids, he did so prior to the testing and implementation of rules against it. Since it has been not allowed, he has been tested and has come up clean.

Betting was ALWAYS against the rules, steroids was not. Don't compare the two.
Steriod use wasn't against the rules because it wasn't that big of an issue until recently when people started taking advantage of it. Had this been going on in the 60's or so it would be against the rules now. Does that mean it was right of him to do it just because it wasn't officially against the rules, its still giving an unfair advantage. I would say that betting on baseball is not nearly as bad as steriod use. The only reason steroid use wasn't outlawed when they say bonds did it, is because it wasn't a big big issue, yeah it had been around for a few years but it did take awhile for people to start seeing the competitve advantage people who were using had (Canseco)

[Caleb Cattivera]

regardless.

if the book is found to be 100% true. he wont get in. voters wont allow him to be.

[Caleb Cattivera]

btw. brandon, glad to see you in the sports forum.

[mikeford]

attn asianxcore

go watch outside the lines and cry yourself to sleep tonight, ******

[Trainsaw]

btw. brandon, glad to see you in the sports forum.
i roam around and read a lot of what people say in here, I try to post sometimes, but asianxcore's ignorance kinda pissed me off, i like the avatar.

[imirish06]

Rose CHEATED. Betting on baseball was a no-no and still is. Every clubhouse has notices about betting on it.

if Bonds used steroids, he did so prior to the testing and implementation of rules against it. Since it has been not allowed, he has been tested and has come up clean.

Betting was ALWAYS against the rules, steroids was not. Don't compare the two.

bitch please, 99.999% of college atheletes who use gear and even a good portion of high schoolers know how to pass roid tests. i'm sure bonds isn't ignorant on it either.

did I mention "the cream"'s main purpose was also to mask the roid use?

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Steroids may have not been banned in baseball until just recently, but they were illegal in the United States long before Bonds got ahold of them.

[bigmike]

but there is a great book on his son, of everything wonderful he did and what god does, how can you not belive in something that has a BOOK about it? why are you so niave, there is a book!Jesus was 'roided up too. I mean, come on, that whole resurrection thing? Please.

[asianxcore]

Jesus was 'roided up too. I mean, come on, that whole resurrection thing? Please.
haha, bonds was hof before all this shit happend.

[imirish06]

Steroids may have not been banned in baseball until just recently, but they were illegal in the United States long before Bonds got ahold of them.

Exactly.

It's like saying a new form of cocaine isn't cheating/illegal because it's an altered form of it.

[ActorInThisPlay]

bitch please, 99.999% of college atheletes who use gear and even a good portion of high schoolers know how to pass roid tests. i'm sure bonds isn't ignorant on it either.

did I mention "the cream"'s main purpose was also to mask the roid use?
which is why people in baseball test positive today? so Palmeiro must be mentally retarded then correct? some book that someone obviously wrote to make money on a hot issue right now is not going to convince me of anything. until i see concrete proof that Bonds did do steroids, i will believe he didn't do them.

[radiofriendly]

so Palmeiro must be mentally retarded then correct?

yes.

yes he is.

[Goodbye Forever]

which is why people in baseball test positive today? so Palmeiro must be mentally retarded then correct? some book that someone obviously wrote to make money on a hot issue right now is not going to convince me of anything. until i see concrete proof that Bonds did do steroids, i will believe he didn't do them.

Hahaha.

You Giants fans are great.

What do you want? A polaroid of Bonds injecting himself with a needle labeled 'STEROIDS' standing next to a doctor with forms that confirm that the substance that Bonds is injecting is indeed a steroid? Maybe Barry could be holding his driver's license and birth certificate to prove that it is, in fact, him?

THE BOOK HAS OVER 200 SOURCES. 200 SOURCES. THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE ABSURD AMOUNT OF COURT DOCUMENTS THAT ALSO BACK THE INFORMATION PRESENTED.

If Bonds didn't do any of the stuff in the book, you'd think that maybe, just maybe, he would have come out and said that his lawyers will be looking into legal recourse? You can't just print this stuff and present it as fact without having anything to back it all up.

[Trainsaw]

"If it smells like a skunk, looks like a skunk, and acts like a skunk, then its probably a skunk"

[FondestMemory]

THE BOOK HAS OVER 200 SOURCES. 200 SOURCES. THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE ABSURD AMOUNT OF COURT DOCUMENTS THAT ALSO BACK THE INFORMATION PRESENTED.

if you lie under oath to a federal judge, you will get prosecuted to the full extent of the law. that was made clear to everybody who testified in the balco case.

i find it so hard to believe that these two reporters have all this rock solid evidence, compiled from the same sources the government have used, but yet the government hasn't felt they have enough proof to press charges against him and arrest him. conte went to jail for the whole ordeal, so it's not like this thing didn't matter.

also, if they're chronicle reporters, why isn't any of this in the paper? i understand there's enough for a book, but wouldn't it benefit them more if the excerpts were in the chronicle before sports illustrated? wouldn't it help their job if the san francisco chronicle is getting credit for breaking the story and having the excerpts? i don't know the whole story behind that, but that's one question i have. was it that the chronicle didn't feel confident with it?

and all the 'sources' have something to gain. there is so much money to be made by bringing barry bonds down. also, why bring the mistress in? if they really want to document his steroid use and attack him that way, what purpose does the mistress serve? using her makes it seem more like a personal attack and an effort to bring down his character even more.

why's it written in narrative form? why have it read more as a story than a document? just seems like an excuse to try to pass it off as fiction if heat gets too much.

those are just a few of the many questions i have. i'm not willing to take something as rock solid evidence that's presented by people with so much to gain. i'll read the book, maybe a lot of my questions will be answered. but just having this book released proves nothing to me. there's no real new information. there's nothing there for me to change my opinion.

i'm not gonna argue it though like asiancore has. everybody's entitled to their opinions. so as i ended my first and only previous post on the topic, go ahead and tear me apart. you're not going to convince me otherwise.

[LeftWideOpen]

if you lie under oath to a federal judge, you will get prosecuted to the full extent of the law. that was made clear to everybody who testified in the balco case.

i find it so hard to believe that these two reporters have all this rock solid evidence, compiled from the same sources the government have used, but yet the government hasn't felt they have enough proof to press charges against him and arrest him. conte went to jail for the whole ordeal, so it's not like this thing didn't matter.

also, if they're chronicle reporters, why isn't any of this in the paper? i understand there's enough for a book, but wouldn't it benefit them more if the excerpts were in the chronicle before sports illustrated? wouldn't it help their job if the san francisco chronicle is getting credit for breaking the story and having the excerpts? i don't know the whole story behind that, but that's one question i have. was it that the chronicle didn't feel confident with it?

and all the 'sources' have something to gain. there is so much money to be made by bringing barry bonds down. also, why bring the mistress in? if they really want to document his steroid use and attack him that way, what purpose does the mistress serve? using her makes it seem more like a personal attack and an effort to bring down his character even more.

why's it written in narrative form? why have it read more as a story than a document? just seems like an excuse to try to pass it off as fiction if heat gets too much.

those are just a few of the many questions i have. i'm not willing to take something as rock solid evidence that's presented by people with so much to gain. i'll read the book, maybe a lot of my questions will be answered. but just having this book released proves nothing to me. there's no real new information. there's nothing there for me to change my opinion..

1) It's in a book, and not a newspaper, because they are going to get rich off this. They probably could have easily put this in a newspaper, like the French did w/ Lance Armstrong, but these reporters are smart. They know there is a buck to be made here, and they are taking advantage of that.

Before you write this off as a scam to make money ....consider what they are claiming this book contains. Documents. I assume they don't say "Hey Doc It's Barry I need Steroids OK call me peace out" on a sticky note. It seems to be a mounting case of evidence in regards to computer records, prescriptions, and testimony from medical authorities. These doctors aren't going to risk there jobs and lives by making false and unfounded claims. You need to give them more credit then that.

2) It's written in narrative form most likely to appeal to more people and boost book sales. A baseball fanatic would probably pick this up and read it even if it was just a collection of evidence, but you aren't going to interest the casual viewer who doesnt know much about Barry Bonds besides the cloud of suspicion around him.

Make no mistake ..these guys aren't doing this just for the good of baseball or something. They are trying to make a buck ..a big one. This story didn't just fall into there lap but that's why they call it investigative journalism. The guilty never just come out and turn themselves in.

[fromwithin]

bonds circa 1983:

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/2006/03/06/bonds.years/1983_001324282Final.jpg

1990:

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/2006/03/06/bonds.years/1990_001092960.jpg

1998:

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/2006/03/06/bonds.years/1998.jpg

2004:

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/2006/03/06/bonds.years/2004_017022893.jpg

[Caleb Cattivera]

i think barrys always had a big head. look at that pic from 1990, his head looks weird.

[asianxcore]

barry bonds ='s badass muthafucka

[Caleb Cattivera]

barry bonds ='s big ugly black cheating bitch

fixed.

[Doug]

i wouldn't even bother showing the 1983 picture. because people get bigger between 19 and 40, but that 1998 picture is really telling. basically if you find any picture of a baseball player at 19 then find one of him in his 30's, he'll grow a lot. but not 34 to 40.

[RockVocalPower]

BREAKING NEWS: Water is wet.

[LeftWideOpen]

http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/bonds_wheaties_box.jpg

[asianxcore]

http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/bonds_wheaties_box.jpg
another awesome point!

[NetNerdsRevenge]

I think we can all agree that Bonds has used/still does use steroids. He even admitted to using them, albeit, unknowingly. But what I don't understand is, why are Giant fans so against the idea that maybe Bonds did inject himself, that they completely write this book off? As much as you don't like Cancesco, he may have very well been telling the truth. Now, during his interviews it seemed as though he made everything up, but there is a big difference between a Cancesco book, and a book written by two journalists. I'm not going to say anything definite until I read the book, but i imagine the evidence against Bonds is pretty strong.

[imirish06]

which is why people in baseball test positive today? so Palmeiro must be mentally retarded then correct? some book that someone obviously wrote to make money on a hot issue right now is not going to convince me of anything. until i see concrete proof that Bonds did do steroids, i will believe he didn't do them.

So because Palmeiro is an idiot, that ruins the logic? It's a common rule of thumb that you do TWO things before you use steroids.


1. You research every single possible fucking thing there is to know about the steroid you're about to take.
and
2. You know how to cover it up.

If you don't take the time to learn you're either going to hurt yourself, kill yourself, or get called out to be a jackass that you are.

Fuck, all and all.. Bonds still couldve passed tests without doing anything other than stop doing them. He got test this year but was under the spotlight for it how long now? Detection time for the roid he took is 4 to 5 months. He was getting questioned about roids before testing a hell of a lot longer than 4-5 months.

The roid Palmerio was juicing up on is a steroid called Winstrol. Pretty popular with frat boys but pretty weak in comparison to the shit Bonds was doing. It's detection time is 2 months.. Palmero had a lot less leeway tthan Bonds o clear it out of his system by just waiting.

As far as "concrete proof". He already admitted in a court room to taking steroids dude, what more concrete proof do you need? He took THG and a fucking rubbing test ointment that levels out hormone levels so that tests can't pick it the fuck up. Oh I forgot, he didn't "know" what he was taking. He's a professional athlete and injects things into his body without knowing what they are. Didn't he also admit to taking clomid? I hate to break it to you cupcake but clomid is a female infertility drug that roid users use towards the end of their cycle as a part of PCT(post cycle therapy). They use it to block the estrogen that comes from using roids so they don't walk around with a common side effect known as BITCH TITS.

The thing I hate most about steroid/baseball discussion is it brings out an amazing amount of people that are completely ignorant on steroids, or weight training in general.

It leads to kids on message boards who don't know the difference between creatine and d-bol trying to say they absolutely KNOW that Bonds never took roids. People posting pictures of athletes from when they were younger to what they are now and thinking that steroids are the only reason they got like that. It leads to the media saying retarded shit. And all and all, it's just a big mess.

In regards to the pictures, Doug hit a good point. It's ridicously easy to go from the size Bonds was at 18 to the size he was now without roids. The main thing however is, this all didn't happen throughout the span of his career. You don't pack on the amount of muscle Bonds packed on in the span of 3 years at the age he is. Unless you're ridicously gifted genetically. Even still... at that age your HGH levels drop big time.. hell by the time you're 60 your HGH levels drop 80%. Granted, HGH levels can be raised naturally be doing doing something as easy as running until lactid acid build up. It's still a lot harder to pack serious muscle mass on at that age in that time span. All and all... pictures don't prove shit. They don't prove that he did them or that he didn't.

[imirish06]

another awesome point!

Funny how you only reply to posts that don't call you out for being the ignorant little whore that you are.

[LeftWideOpen]

Funny how you only reply to posts that don't call you out for being the ignorant little whore that you are.

i know, and i've done enough of that in the NCAA Basketball thread so I'm giving the kid a break. I've wasted enough time responding to his dumb posts.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

http://www.businessofbaseball.com/docs/1991Memo_Baseballs_Drug_Policy_And_ Prevention_Program.pdf

ill give you a little blurb...

The possession, sale, use or possession of any illegal drug or controlled substance by Major League players or personnel is strictly prohibited. Major League players or personnel involved in the possession, sale, or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance are subject ot disclipline by the Commissioner and risk permanent expulsion from the game.
* * *
This prohibition applies to all illegal drugs or controlled substances, including steroids or prescription drugs for which the individual in possession of the drug does not have a prescription.
sonsofsamhorn is have a nice debate about this.

EDIT: This was in 1991

[Adeniz19]

i'm a giants fan and i'm not going to argue the fact that bonds took steriods because it is blatantly obvious but hell i'm positive mark mcguire and sammy sosa and a whole shit load of people did also. they just have good terms with the press. this is going to be an interesting year for giants fans

[LeftWideOpen]

i'm a giants fan and i'm not going to argue the fact that bonds took steriods because it is blatantly obvious but hell i'm positive mark mcguire and sammy sosa and a whole shit load of people did also. they just have good terms with the press. this is going to be an interesting year for giants fans

i won't argue that. what sammy sosa and mark mcgwire did no better than what bonds did/is doing, it's just Bonds consistent denials and the records that he is attempting to break that makes this such a huge deal.

[imirish06]

In the defense of Bonds though. The use of steroids in baseball is a lot more common and widespread than most of us would believe.

[Adeniz19]

In the defense of Bonds though. The use of steroids in baseball is a lot more common and widespread than most of us would believe.and the use of steroids isnt going to improve your hand-eye cordination. no one can argue bonds is the best in that game at that. i'm just embarrased that one of my boyhood heroes would result to this later in his career. i do believe he would still have come close to this record if he was taking steroids or not.

[imirish06]

I forgot to mention that the size of Barry's head now and then is also a dead give away he was juicing. (I'm being completely serious)


And you're right Adeniz, not many could do what Bonds does with or without steroids. However I still believe the recent records he broke should not stand.

[Adeniz19]

I forgot to mention that the size of Barry's head now and then is also a dead give away he was juicing. (I'm being completely serious)


And you're right Adeniz, not many could do what Bonds does with or without steroids. However I still believe the recent records he broke should not stand.or an asterisk at least. but so should sosa, mcguire, palmeiro, whoever else

[LeftWideOpen]

i do believe he would still have come close to this record if he was taking steroids or not.

I gotta disagree with that. Before he "allegedly" started using, his career high in homers was 46 in 1993. After he started using he put up that insane year of 73 homers and also 49 in 2000. He put up 46,46, and 45 in 2002-2004 too. That's a hell of a lot for a guy who's getting older and hadn't hit like that since 10 years before.

He's hit just about half his homeruns since 1998 (334) and that's counting his 5 HR year last season. Basically, he averaged about 50 HR's since 98 as opposed to about 30 in the years before it.

[Adeniz19]

I gotta disagree with that. Before he "allegedly" started using, his career high in homers was 46 in 1993. After he started using he put up that insane year of 73 homers and also 49 in 2000. He put up 46,46, and 45 in 2002-2004 too. That's a hell of a lot for a guy who's getting older and hadn't hit like that since 10 years before.

He's hit just about half his homeruns since 1998 (334) and that's counting his 5 HR year last season. Basically, he averaged about 50 HR's since 98 as opposed to about 30 in the years before it.there is more to take in then just steroid use tho. he has become alot smarter at the plate and peoples work out habits have changed alot since then too.

[the_champ_is_here]

I hope he goes to jail for perjury.

Also, I'm really starting to think that the I'mIrish kid does a lot of steroids.

[asianxcore]

i know, and i've done enough of that in the NCAA Basketball thread so I'm giving the kid a break. I've wasted enough time responding to his dumb posts.
what the hell are you talking about? ive almost responded to everything you've ever said to me..

[asianxcore]

I forgot to mention that the size of Barry's head now and then is also a dead give away he was juicing. (I'm being completely serious)


And you're right Adeniz, not many could do what Bonds does with or without steroids. However I still believe the recent records he broke should not stand.
shut the fuck up, you dont know what the fuck your talking about. his head size a 7-1/4, when he started and you know what his hat size is today? a 7-1/4. All of you fuckers are so god damn ignorat, if you took one second to look at all the fucking facts you would relize this...

- THG, was not illegal when Barry used it, making it LEGAL, and not a crime in baseball.
-Growth is common among humans, who doest grow?, Barry Bonds is one of the most hard working men around. Look at Rodger Clemens, he grew just as much as Barry.
- His hat size has been consistant throughout his career.
- He is the son of a ball player, and the god son of one of the best ball players ever, you think he was taught a thing or two? He has one of the best eye's baseball has ever seen, not to mention bat speed.
-You can argue that Bonds has cheated baseball. Some say yes, some no. But you can't argue that Barry Bonds hasn't cheated Barry Bonds. He is, in my opinion, one of the three greatest hitters of all time. An unparalleled plate presence and master of the art of batting. He could have had that position in baseball history without arguement.
-To Baseball lovers and haters: Bonds is innocent until proven guilty. This is America, right? I want people to watch Bonds in awe. We are able to witness a man that will end up the greatest player ever. He is the only player to hit 500 homeruns, and steal 500 bases. He is one of three players to hit 40 home runs and steal 40 bases in one season. He holds the single season home run record at 73. He is also rapidly approaching Hank Aaron's all time home run record. Even with the use of steroids Bonds is still a great player, if only for his batting eye. He has also always been an elite player in the league. Perhaps if he used steroids it was to make his testicular cancer self tests easier by shrinking his testicles. Is that so bad?

[imirish06]

shut the fuck up, you dont know what the fuck your talking about. his head size a 7-1/4, when he started and you know what his hat size is today? a 7-1/4. All of you fuckers are so god damn ignorat, if you took one second to look at all the fucking facts you would relize this...

- THG, was not illegal when Barry used it, making it LEGAL, and not a crime in baseball.
-Growth is common among humans, who doest grow?, Barry Bonds is one of the most hard working men around. Look at Rodger Clemens, he grew just as much as Barry.
- His hat size has been consistant throughout his career.
- He is the son of a ball player, and the god son of one of the best ball players ever, you think he was taught a thing or two? He has one of the best eye's baseball has ever seen, not to mention bat speed.
-You can argue that Bonds has cheated baseball. Some say yes, some no. But you can't argue that Barry Bonds hasn't cheated Barry Bonds. He is, in my opinion, one of the three greatest hitters of all time. An unparalleled plate presence and master of the art of batting. He could have had that position in baseball history without arguement.
-To Baseball lovers and haters: Bonds is innocent until proven guilty. This is America, right? I want people to watch Bonds in awe. We are able to witness a man that will end up the greatest player ever. He is the only player to hit 500 homeruns, and steal 500 bases. He is one of three players to hit 40 home runs and steal 40 bases in one season. He holds the single season home run record at 73. He is also rapidly approaching Hank Aaron's all time home run record. Even with the use of steroids Bonds is still a great player, if only for his batting eye. He has also always been an elite player in the league. Perhaps if he used steroids it was to make his testicular cancer self tests easier by shrinking his testicles. Is that so bad?


No, you're wrong.

1. His cap size has grown. And one of the side effects of prolonged use is that your skull grows.
2. TGH is basically trenabol, as I stated earlier. A a new form of it that most people weren't aware of resulting in no need to ban it until actual tests on it were done. Legal in baseball or not, it's still a fucking steroid you idiot.
3. There is obviously a lot more of a body difference in Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds isn't there? People do grow as they get older. People do not put on the amount of muscle mass that Barry did in such a short time span at his age without help.

I've listed so many other things as to what he took and why it's obvious that he's on roids but in typical asianXcore fashion you choose to defend the one thing I said that you actually had a clue as to what I'm talking about it. And that is the complex subject of "head size!"

You know nothing of the subject of steroids therefore you should stop talking like you do.

It's so painfully obvious to anyone who has been around the stuff to know that Barry Bonds used a synthetic human growth hormone.

Fuck, I don't even care that he used them. It's just so annoying that people are so ignorant to the fact that he did.

All and all, his JOB is to perform. As long as we worship people who hit the ball 500 feet, drugs will be a part of sports and a part of our culture, end of story.

[asianxcore]

No, you're wrong.

1. His cap size has grown. And one of the side effects of prolonged use is that your skull grows.
2. TGH is basically trenabol, as I stated earlier. A a new form of it that most people weren't aware of resulting in no need to ban it until actual tests on it were done. Legal in baseball or not, it's still a fucking steroid you idiot.
3. There is obviously a lot more of a body difference in Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds isn't there? People do grow as they get older. People do not put on the amount of muscle mass that Barry did in such a short time span at his age without help.

I've listed so many other things as to what he took and why it's obvious that he's on roids but in typical asianXcore fashion you choose to defend the one thing I said that you actually had a clue as to what I'm talking about it. And that is the complex subject of "head size!"

You know nothing of the subject of steroids therefore you should stop talking like you do.

It's so painfully obvious to anyone who has been around the stuff to know that Barry Bonds used a synthetic human growth hormone.

Retard, I dont give a fuck what TGH is, IT WASNT ILLEGAL. I dont care at all what type of drug it is, im defending barry as a cheater, now im going to ask you, with everything on barry, did he cheat?

[LeftWideOpen]

what the hell are you talking about? ive almost responded to everything you've ever said to me..

typing out jibberish doesnt constitute a response. all you've ever said is "your argument is a joke " you're a joke" without actually providing a rebuttal. misquoting espn analysts doesnt count either.

[mikeford]

can we ban this kid already?

[LeftWideOpen]

can we ban this kid already?

i've lobbied hard.

[imirish06]

Retard, I dont give a fuck what TGH is, IT WASNT ILLEGAL. I dont care at all what type of drug it is, im defending barry as a cheater, now im going to ask you, with everything on barry, did he cheat?

You don't give a fuck to know about the what your little Barry was putting in his body but want to defend him? Better yet, think you have LOGICAL reasoning behind defending him? The guy injects himself with a cattle steroid and you're asking me if he cheated.

I hate to tell you cupcake, but TGH and a HGH are two different things. TGH isn't going to cause rapid growth in capsize in your mid 30s. Taking a HGH however is. Which means good ol' barry was on more than the "legal" thg. Do you even know what "the cream" does that he was taking? The cream levels out hormone levels in your body so that drug test don't pick up on abnormally high levels of hgh and test. Why would he take something that would mask his drug tests if he was just taking something that was legal anyways?

Barry did cheat
You continue to prove that you're an idiot on the subject
Go home.

[Caleb Cattivera]

You don't give a fuck to know about the what your little Barry was putting in his body but want to defend him? Better yet, think you have LOGICAL reasoning behind defending him? The guy injects himself with a cattle steroid and you're asking me if he cheated.

I hate to tell you cupcake, but TGH and a HGH are two different things. TGH isn't going to cause rapid growth in capsize in your mid 30s. Taking a HGH however is. Which means good ol' barry was on more than the "legal" thg. Do you even know what "the cream" does that he was taking? The cream levels out hormone levels in your body so that drug test don't pick up on abnormally high levels of hgh and test. Why would he take something that would mask his drug tests if he was just taking something that was legal anyways?

Barry did cheat
You continue to prove that you're an idiot on the subject
Go home.

PWNAGE!

[radiofriendly]

so what now. does Bud expell him from baseball? it would be really dissapointing to see him break a record.

[Jason Tate]

Dan Wetzel RIPS barry..

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AsoWsfT6cLVvwICMpCXfhtgRv LYF?slug=dw-bondsbook030706&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Basically calls for Selig to wipe all records ....

EXTREME, but HELL YAH! FUCK YOU BONDS.

[radiofriendly]

Dan Wetzel RIPS barry..

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AsoWsfT6cLVvwICMpCXfhtgRv LYF?slug=dw-bondsbook030706&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Basically calls for Selig to wipe all records ....

EXTREME, but HELL YAH! FUCK YOU BONDS.

ha! what a crazy read...

a little over the top, but it's cool to see him stick to barry

[wessa]

Dan Wetzel RIPS barry..

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AsoWsfT6cLVvwICMpCXfhtgRv LYF?slug=dw-bondsbook030706&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Basically calls for Selig to wipe all records ....

EXTREME, but HELL YAH! FUCK YOU BONDS.

i think that this guy is absolutely correct, they should throw out all of those guys records, it disgusts me that names like ruth, maris, mays,dimaggio, gehrig, williams, aaron, and a hell of a lot more will be forgotten because guys like bonds, big mac, and sosa hit a lot of homeruns. as much as i have grown to dislike baseball, there is a huge history, one that is so great that the game is labeled america's pastime (and it is). the old guys were so much more than players, they were heroes, they played under harder conditions and played hurt, a lot of them risked their careers to serve their country in WW II, they were legendary figures, the steroid users of today do not belong in the same breath as the old timers, their are a few recent guys who were truly hall of famers, ripken, gwynn, puckett, but the sluggers are dirtbags and should never be allowed in the hall

[mikeford]

unfortunately since bud selig is an idiot and never implimented testing or steroids banning, bonds' records are gonna stand no matter how much anyone bitches. that said, what bonds did is WRONG and even if it isnt cheating officially against MLB rules, its cheating your fans and the fans of the game.

what a piece of shit.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

http://www.businessofbaseball.com/docs/1991Memo_Baseballs_Drug_Policy_And_ Prevention_Program.pdf

ill give you a little blurb...

The possession, sale, use or possession of any illegal drug or controlled substance by Major League players or personnel is strictly prohibited. Major League players or personnel involved in the possession, sale, or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance are subject to disclipline by the Commissioner and risk permanent expulsion from the game.
* * *
This prohibition applies to all illegal drugs or controlled substances, including steroids or prescription drugs for which the individual in possession of the drug does not have a prescription.

sonsofsamhorn is have a nice debate about this.

EDIT: This was in 1991
Just making sure this was seen. If what asainxcore and imirish said about TGH, Bonds still illegally used a form of steroids.

Also, I don't think we should wipe away any records without knowing what was or wasn't used in the past. Greenies were common around the time Aaron was playing.

[ActorInThisPlay]

steroids doesn't help you hit .375 in a season...he didn't do anything illegal. so...if he knew it was legal to take at the time he took it, just like its legal to take Creatine, Protein Supplements, etc. then it is possible that it wasn't wrong or "cheating." You guys are so quick to jump on the Barry hate bandwagon that you forget to look at one fact, it was legal therefore it was not cheating. he didn't do anything wrong if he did take the things he admitted to taking, if he took other things that were illegal, then yes it was cheating but that has yet to be proven. as of right now, with what Barry has been "proven" to have done, he has done nothing wrong and the only thing he is guilty of is trying to progress his game in a legal way. quit acting like a bunch of fucking little kids here and turning what is a great forum into the general forums...

discuss shit here and don't attack someone personally just because they think differently then you do. who cares if someone likes Bonds and you don't? Who cares that I hate Kobe and everyone else likes him? nobody should. I don't go around attacking you for disliking Barry or for liking Kobe. I don't call anybody stupid or a dumbass for stating their opinions but only when they are acting like one. seriously show some fucking respect to people and don't turn this forum into some place that is unbearable for people to come in anymore. /end rant.

[ActorInThisPlay]

he is right about one thing, if Barry really didn't do anything then he needs to do something about this book and sue the shit out of the publishers of it. if he doesn't do anything then he really isn't helping his situation out at all

[imirish06]

steroids doesn't help you hit .375 in a season...he didn't do anything illegal. so...if he knew it was legal to take at the time he took it, just like its legal to take Creatine, Protein Supplements, etc. then it is possible that it wasn't wrong or "cheating." You guys are so quick to jump on the Barry hate bandwagon that you forget to look at one fact, it was legal therefore it was not cheating. he didn't do anything wrong if he did take the things he admitted to taking, if he took other things that were illegal, then yes it was cheating but that has yet to be proven. as of right now, with what Barry has been "proven" to have done, he has done nothing wrong and the only thing he is guilty of is trying to progress his game in a legal way. quit acting like a bunch of fucking little kids here and turning what is a great forum into the general forums...

discuss shit here and don't attack someone personally just because they think differently then you do. who cares if someone likes Bonds and you don't? Who cares that I hate Kobe and everyone else likes him? nobody should. I don't go around attacking you for disliking Barry or for liking Kobe. I don't call anybody stupid or a dumbass for stating their opinions but only when they are acting like one. seriously show some fucking respect to people and don't turn this forum into some place that is unbearable for people to come in anymore. /end rant.


You don't take things to mask drug tests if you're taking a legal supplement. Sorry, but he was on more then the once legal "THG". And honestly, I really really don't care that he did steroids, a good portion of baseball does. It's just that 1. he denies being guilty 2. his fanbase is ridiculously stubborn about it.

[itsjdiggity]

he is right about one thing, if Barry really didn't do anything then he needs to do something about this book and sue the shit out of the publishers of it. if he doesn't do anything then he really isn't helping his situation out at all

dude...just change your avatar already to:
http://i2.tinypic.com/r0o18k.jpg

[ActorInThisPlay]

You don't take things to mask drug tests if you're taking a legal supplement. Sorry, but he was on more then the once legal "THG". And honestly, I really really don't care that he did steroids, a good portion of baseball does. It's just that 1. he denies being guilty 2. his fanbase is ridiculously stubborn about it.
like I said, he has never been proven of taking anything illegal. if you guys are just going to throw accusations out there then I am going to say Kobe did rape that girl. i don't care what you say, he did it. I know there is no proof on it and i'll even write a book on how he did it with 200 documents from people saying he did and release it. the fact of the matter is that Kobe did not get convicted of rape and Barry did not get proven to have taken illegal substances. end of story.

[ActorInThisPlay]

dude...just change your avatar already to:
http://i2.tinypic.com/r0o18k.jpg
to werthless...please

[mikeford]

you guys are sad and pathetic little followers.

[imirish06]

like I said, he has never been proven of taking anything illegal. if you guys are just going to throw accusations out there then I am going to say Kobe did rape that girl. i don't care what you say, he did it. I know there is no proof on it and i'll even write a book on how he did it with 200 documents from people saying he did and release it. the fact of the matter is that Kobe did not get convicted of rape and Barry did not get proven to have taken illegal substances. end of story.


Dude, admitted to taking 2 things in court. "The Clear" known as "THG". And the cream. Regardless of what the legal status was to THG. "The Cream" was an ointment that was USED to level out hormone levels in the body. Abnormal Test./HGH levels are one of the main things drug tests are intended to pick up on.

IF he was ONLY taking that "legal" substance, why go and take something thats intended to cover up things for a drug test?

I'll tell you why. It's because he was taking other shit before this. It's pretty obvious he was loading up on HGH. And if you care what I think, I think at the time Barry was using this more of a recovery tool at the time. He's getting older and his natural HGH levels are dropping so he looked to other ways to help him play like his younger days. You've got to understand that one of the side effects of prolonged HGH use is an enlarged forehead, etc.. due to rapid bone growth. HGH can be a prescription drug though, but the question is did Barry have a prescription? Either or, once he got his feet wet he wanted to try more stuff. All and all I think it's ashame because he DID take steroids when he didn't need to take them. He had Hall Of Fame numbers before he started heaving juicing and still had a few more decent numbers in him.

if any of you want to read up on steroids, laws, etc... check out
http://www.steroid.com/

[ActorInThisPlay]

Dude, admitted to taking 2 things in court. "The Clear" known as "THG". And the cream. Regardless of what the legal status was to THG. "The Cream" was an ointment that was USED to level out hormone levels in the body. Abnormal Test./HGH levels are one of the main things drug tests are intended to pick up on.

IF he was ONLY taking that "legal" substance, why go and take something thats intended to cover up things for a drug test?

I'll tell you why. It's because he was taking other shit before this. It's pretty obvious he was loading up on HGH. And if you care what I think, I think at the time Barry was using this more of a recovery tool at the time. He's getting older and his natural HGH levels are dropping so he looked to other ways to help him play like his younger days. You've got to understand that one of the side effects of prolonged HGH use is an enlarged forehead, etc.. due to rapid bone growth. HGH can be a prescription drug though, but the question is did Barry have a prescription? Either or, once he got his feet wet he wanted to try more stuff. All and all I think it's ashame because he DID take steroids when he didn't need to take them. He had Hall Of Fame numbers before he started heaving juicing and still had a few more decent numbers in him.

if any of you want to read up on steroids, laws, etc... check out
http://www.steroid.com/
ok and I respect your opinion but it is only an opinion, not fact. he did take "The Clear" and the cream but anything after that is speculation really. he might have taken them, who knows but until it has been completely proven, then I will have my own opinion. i do agree though that he didn't need to take them if he did because he did have the HOF in the bag already.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

I'm confused....are you saying the steroids he took were legal at the time, or he took other supplements that were legal? Because steroids were never legal when Bonds was playing baseball.

[imirish06]

I'm confused....are you saying the steroids he took were legal at the time, or he took other supplements that were legal? Because steroids were never legal when Bonds was playing baseball.

Well, Human Growth Hormone that is something that's illegal in pretty much all sports. It's not a steroid but almost like one. It's legal outside of sports if you have a prescription.

As far as THG not being illegal, I don't understand that. I guess I have to re-read the court case because THG is definitely a anabolic steroid. It's similar to a steroid used for cattle called Trenbolone. It's used on cattle for increased muscle size, etc..

It is legal for cattle, it is not legal for humans.

That new book thats out also claims Barry took regular trenbolone in 2001.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Where does the cream fit in?

[imirish06]

Actually sorry, I'm getting myself confused. THG isn't similar to Tren. it is however closely related to a even more powerful steroid known as stanozolol.

Here is a pretty good article as to why it wasn't "illegal" at the time.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33774-2004Dec3.html


Basically, it was "legal" because it was unheard of.. that is until they ran tests of it and found it out to be very very potent.

[imirish06]

Where does the cream fit in?


The cream is a combo testosterone and epitesttorone(i know i spelled that wrong)


basically people use it when they're taking steroids because it's whole purpose is to increase the natural level of the testosterone from the steroid you're using keeping the ratio of test and epitestosetereasdfadsf in check. steroid testing checks for uneven ratios.

[wessa]

steroids doesn't help you hit .375 in a season

actually, if you think about it, they do. Because of steroids, bonds home run output skyrocketed. As a result, pitchers began walking him like crazy. The walks caused his at bats to go down which will cause his average to go up, he only hit over .300 5 times in 12 seasons leading up to 98, since 98 when the steroids supposedly started he hit over .300 in 6 of 7 seasons (not counting last season in this because he played only 14 games, in that run he also posted 4 of the top 5 averages of his career

[ActorInThisPlay]

actually, if you think about it, they do. Because of steroids, bonds home run output skyrocketed. As a result, pitchers began walking him like crazy. The walks caused his at bats to go down which will cause his average to go up, he only hit over .300 5 times in 12 seasons leading up to 98, since 98 when the steroids supposedly started he hit over .300 in 6 of 7 seasons (not counting last season in this because he played only 14 games, in that run he also posted 4 of the top 5 averages of his career
umm...walks have absolutely no bearing on batting avg, on on base percentage yes but average no. ok, take the 40 something home runs he hit a couple years ago and turn them into outs and I would bet his average is still around .350 at least. he improved his swing and his coordination. steroids doesn't help you hit the ball.

[SoundTheAlarm]

I cant take this shit. Baseball has been looking bad for too long. I dont think im the only one who says Bonds Shouldnt A: break the record B:Be put in the hall. I dont think bonds will break hanks record at all. He will come to break the babes just so he can say he was better. Even though he isnt. Does any one see why i like the history of the game more than the current situation of the game.

[histrionics22]

actually, if you think about it, they do. Because of steroids, bonds home run output skyrocketed. As a result, pitchers began walking him like crazy. The walks caused his at bats to go down which will cause his average to go up, he only hit over .300 5 times in 12 seasons leading up to 98, since 98 when the steroids supposedly started he hit over .300 in 6 of 7 seasons (not counting last season in this because he played only 14 games, in that run he also posted 4 of the top 5 averages of his career

Hahahaha. I didn't even bother reading the rest of his post after reading that first line. If your best defense for Barry is that it wasn't illegal at the time then there are serious issues.

[Adeniz19]

actually, if you think about it, they do. Because of steroids, bonds home run output skyrocketed. As a result, pitchers began walking him like crazy. The walks caused his at bats to go down which will cause his average to go up, he only hit over .300 5 times in 12 seasons leading up to 98, since 98 when the steroids supposedly started he hit over .300 in 6 of 7 seasons (not counting last season in this because he played only 14 games, in that run he also posted 4 of the top 5 averages of his careeryes, steroids made him become more selective at the plate and helped his hand eye cordination when it comes to batting. steroids have nothing to do with hitting the ball. If that was true Marvin Bernard would be a superstar.

[histrionics22]

yes, steroids made him become more selective at the plate and helped his hand eye cordination when it comes to batting. steroids have nothing to do with hitting the ball. If that was true Marvin Bernard would be a superstar.

They improve reflexes and other things. Certainly being able to hit the ball harder will raise your average. It also helps when you're juicing and hitting 73 home runs a year. You get 200 walks a year, which would also have an impact on your batting average.

[ActorInThisPlay]

They improve reflexes and other things. Certainly being able to hit the ball harder will raise your average. It also helps when you're juicing and hitting 73 home runs a year. You get 200 walks a year, which would also have an impact on your batting average.
walks have no impact on your batting avg. shit you guys are ignorant if you don't know that. a walk does not count as an at bat therefore have no effect on your batting avg. 73 home runs a year? try 1 year and after that you don't get the same pitches thrown at you. pitchers are scared of Barry so they either walk him or try to pitch around him. he will hardly ever see a good pitch thrown at him unless it was some sort of mistake pitch. steroids doesn't help you hit otherwise that would assume that everyone that used steroids would have hit .375.

[asianxcore]

barry bonds has the best eye in the game of baseball, if steriods enhanced your eye sight then people wouldnt crash cars. I also have another thought, everyone says barry was on roids until last year, when barry came back from his injury he still hit 9 homeruns in 20 something games. is he a part time user?

[imirish06]

asian,

when you pack on 30lbs of muscle mass it isn't exactly going to disappear overnight... especially if you keep at it with a good diet, training program. not to mention the potency of the steroid he was taking.

[LeftWideOpen]

for those of you saying steriods werent illegal so he's not a cheater ...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/format/memos20051109?memo=1991&num=1

This is in 1991. "The possession, sale or use of ANY illegal drug or controlled substance by Major League players and personnel is strictly prohibited."

[bigal00004]

OMG! I would have never expected this. Bonds of all people.

[wecanbeheros]

OMG! I would have never expected this. Bonds of all people.

yawn.

[imirish06]

for those of you saying steriods werent illegal so he's not a cheater ...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/format/memos20051109?memo=1991&num=1

This is in 1991. "The possession, sale or use of ANY illegal drug or controlled substance by Major League players and personnel is strictly prohibited."


game
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[NetNerdsRevenge]

for those of you saying steriods werent illegal so he's not a cheater ...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/format/memos20051109?memo=1991&num=1

This is in 1991. "The possession, sale or use of ANY illegal drug or controlled substance by Major League players and personnel is strictly prohibited."
I posted that 2 fucking times and no one gave it a look.....you post it once and you get game, set, match. I want my game, set, match.

Actually, I dont care. Just as long as someone sees it--no matter how--i'll be happy.

[Kram41]

for those of you saying steriods werent illegal so he's not a cheater ...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/format/memos20051109?memo=1991&num=1

This is in 1991. "The possession, sale or use of ANY illegal drug or controlled substance by Major League players and personnel is strictly prohibited."

Good find, but that still doesn't detract from my main argument at all. My argument is that the testing has to be equal for all players and should not be based on a huge outside investigation of a specific player.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Good find, but that still doesn't detract from my main argument at all. My argument is that the testing has to be equal for all players and should not be based on a huge outside investigation of a specific player.
Except Bonds is no doubt off of roids now, and was probably smart enough to stop when they started testing. A negative test now does not make him clean for his entire career.

[Kram41]

Except Bonds is no doubt off of roids now, and was probably smart enough to stop when they started testing. A negative test now does not make him clean for his entire career.

Exactly, but you also don't have a positive test to prove that he took an illegal substance. They have to leave what happened before they started testing for steroids in the past. As I said, they can arguably put asterisks next to the records, but to suspend Bonds like they suspended Palmeiro, Sanchez and the other guys last year is absurd. They're going off outside investigations that no other players are subject to.

[imirish06]

I posted that 2 fucking times and no one gave it a look.....you post it once and you get game, set, match. I want my game, set, match.

Actually, I dont care. Just as long as someone sees it--no matter how--i'll be happy.

hahahah sorry dude

I'll do a different one for you

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[NetNerdsRevenge]

Exactly, but you also don't have a positive test to prove that he took an illegal substance. They have to leave what happened before they started testing for steroids in the past. As I said, they can arguably put asterisks next to the records, but to suspend Bonds like they suspended Palmeiro, Sanchez and the other guys last year is absurd. They're going off outside investigations that no other players are subject to.
If you would look in the other Bonds thread, I agree with you. I dont think they can legally suspend him. However, he did confess to taking steroids, which were illegal in baseball as of 1991. However, MLB did a shit job of enforcing that rule, and can't suspend him for his use 5 years ago.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

hahahah sorry dude

I'll do a different one for you

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someone call NASA because that baby is in orbit!
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hahaha brilliant, thanks a million.

[imirish06]

I just find the whole investigation absurd

the guy admits he takes them but doesnt know about it.

the form of steroid he was taking HAS to be injected. at least to my knowledge it does... even if it didnt, pill forms of steroids are absolutely horrid on your liver... the last thing an athlete needs is that.

how stupid could you be to inject yourself with a needle that you don't know what it actually does?

[NetNerdsRevenge]

very, very, very true

[Caleb Cattivera]

I just find the whole investigation absurd

the guy admits he takes them but doesnt know about it.

the form of steroid he was taking HAS to be injected. at least to my knowledge it does... even if it didnt, pill forms of steroids are absolutely horrid on your liver... the last thing an athlete needs is that.

how stupid could you be to inject yourself with a needle that you don't know what it actually does?

maybe it was heroin.

[gilatron5000]

i think barrys always had a big head. look at that pic from 1990, his head looks weird.I read somewhere( i think it was Maxim doing a report on dirty baseball.) that he grew two full hat sizes in his record-breaking season

that being said, Go A's.

By the way, I'd like to know how Pete cheated, he betted on his team to win! How is that wrong? Michael Jordan did the same, should we ban him from the NBA HOF?

[histrionics22]

walks have no impact on your batting avg. shit you guys are ignorant if you don't know that. a walk does not count as an at bat therefore have no effect on your batting avg. 73 home runs a year? try 1 year and after that you don't get the same pitches thrown at you. pitchers are scared of Barry so they either walk him or try to pitch around him. he will hardly ever see a good pitch thrown at him unless it was some sort of mistake pitch. steroids doesn't help you hit otherwise that would assume that everyone that used steroids would have hit .375.

No shit walks don't count towards BA. But when you hit 50 home runs and only count for 350 plate appearances, it doesn't take many more hits to bat .300. Do the fucking math idiot.

[wessa]

No shit walks don't count towards BA. But when you hit 50 home runs and only count for 350 plate appearances, it doesn't take many more hits to bat .300. Do the fucking math idiot.

exactly, that is what i meant, i guess the stupid giants fans cannot pick up on that

[ActorInThisPlay]

No shit walks don't count towards BA. But when you hit 50 home runs and only count for 350 plate appearances, it doesn't take many more hits to bat .300. Do the fucking math idiot.
but you still need to hit the fucking ball...steroids does not help you hit he ball. damnit you guys just pull any reason out of your asses to hate Bonds. I really don't care. If steroids really made you hit .375 in a season then why didn't everyone else on steroids hit the same or better? steroids does not get the bat on the ball. end of story.

[Trainsaw]

but you still need to hit the fucking ball...steroids does not help you hit he ball. damnit you guys just pull any reason out of your asses to hate Bonds. I really don't care. If steroids really made you hit .375 in a season then why didn't everyone else on steroids hit the same or better? steroids does not get the bat on the ball. end of story.
Even shitty players hit the ball, its just the fact that he's juiced up that it goes so far.

[ActorInThisPlay]

Even shitty players hit the ball, its just the fact that he's juiced up that it goes so far.
yeah but shitty players don't hit .375, even if they are on roids

[somethingyellow]

but you still need to hit the fucking ball...steroids does not help you hit he ball. damnit you guys just pull any reason out of your asses to hate Bonds. I really don't care. If steroids really made you hit .375 in a season then why didn't everyone else on steroids hit the same or better? steroids does not get the bat on the ball. end of story.Like Marvin Bernard or Jeremy Giambi haha

[Trainsaw]

yeah but shitty players don't hit .375, even if they are on roids
i see what you're saying, and i know you have to kiss his ass cause he's your hero, but the guy isn't the greatest hitter of all time w/o steroids. He's an average player who might or might not have made the hall of fame w/o them

[somethingyellow]

i see what you're saying, and i know you have to kiss his ass cause he's your hero, but the guy isn't the greatest hitter of all time w/o steroids. He's an average player who might or might not have made the hall of fame w/o themPlayer's who have a chance to make the HOF aren't average , which you said he could have the chance

[LeftWideOpen]

Player's who have a chance to make the HOF aren't averages, which you said he could have the chance

but thats besides the point. He's not a HOF w/out steroids because he never gave himself a chance to be.