Who thinks M.Moore is a genius?

[dorkisme123]

I don't. Not only is he is a raving lunatic, but he is now a proven liar! http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Have fun!

[Justin_stacy]

Micheal Moore a lair? That doesn't very "ultra liberal" of him.

[yeat182]

hahaha, great article.

[Stompemplay]

Not really.....sort of hypocritical.

It starts off with this long winded (bias) speech about how michael moore's movie was seemingly a hundred percent lies.

Then they go on to nit pick at 10 second parts of the movie, telling how they have small faults or misquotes. They talk about how moore uses these to prove his point which they dont agree with.

Thats just how i saw it.

I love Michael Moores stuff, so i guess im bias too, and I wont lie, I was let down hearing some of his lies.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Stompemplay
Not really.....sort of hypocritical.

It starts off with this long winded (bias) speech about how michael moore's movie was seemingly a hundred percent lies.

Then they go on to nit pick at 10 second parts of the movie, telling how they have small faults or misquotes. They talk about how moore uses these to prove his point which they dont agree with.

Thats just how i saw it.

I love Michael Moores stuff, so i guess im bias too, and I wont lie, I was let down hearing some of his lies.
Put Moore on the front line in Iraq, thats what the fucker deserves

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Put Moore on the front line in Iraq, thats what the fucker deserves

If anybody should be placed on the front lines, it should be Bush's daughters and the children of any congress person who approved this war, and anybody else who approves this war. They want it, they can fight it.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
If anybody should be placed on the front lines, it should be Bush's daughters and the children of any congress person who approved this war, and anybody else who approves this war. They want it, they can fight it.
except women cant fight the front line

[bossydacow]

there should be an exception then.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
there should be an exception then.
fine with me. believe me, if i was old enough, i would enlist this second, i believe whole heartedly in this war, so should moore

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by cal1082
Isn't that basically what we have? People who want to be in the army to fight----Join.
Yes I forgot to mention that, these are all volunteers, good catch

[bossydacow]

Doesn't the thought of taking another person's life bother you? I can't even come within 2 feet of a gun. One time, my friend was pulled over, and I was in the backseat. I kept staring at the cop's gun at his waist, thinking how it could just fire off and someone would be dead. I started shaking.

[evil zach]

I'm the same way. Guns scare the fuck out of me. Not because they could kill me though, but because I could use one to kill another. I'm much more afraid of killing sombody else then being killed.

[bossydacow]

I'm afraid of both. I always picture guns to be cold and extremely heavy. Even writing about it now makes my wrists feel really weak.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by bossydacow
If anybody should be placed on the front lines, it should be Bush's daughters and the children of any congress person who approved this war, and anybody else who approves this war. They want it, they can fight it.


there is a congressman from Indiana that had to take a leave of absence from congress because his reserve unit got called up and he went with them to Iraq...

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by cal1082
If they're wanting to kill me, i think i would manage to not let it bother me.

how many Iraqi soldiers do you think really want to kill our soldiers? A lot of them don't want to fight, thats why so many have surrendered.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by bossydacow
Doesn't the thought of taking another person's life bother you? I can't even come within 2 feet of a gun. One time, my friend was pulled over, and I was in the backseat. I kept staring at the cop's gun at his waist, thinking how it could just fire off and someone would be dead. I started shaking.


the thought does bother me, that's why i didn't join the military, i don't want to kill anyone, i will if i have to defend myself, but it still bothers me...if you don't want to kill anyone, don't enlist.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by yeat182
the thought does bother me, that's why i didn't join the military, i don't want to kill anyone, i will if i have to defend myself, but it still bothers me...if you don't want to kill anyone, don't enlist.

aren't you for the war?

[yeat182]

yes i am, i think its the right thing to do. it doesn't mean i want to run out and shoot a bunch of people.

[bossydacow]

yeah but if the thought of killing someone bothers you, why would you sit by and let someone else do it, even if that some one else wants to do it?

[yeat182]

the thought of me or any of the people i love dying bothers me even more

[bossydacow]

yeah, but those people out there are loved by someone somewhere too.

[yeat182]

they are killing innocent people, i don't have a problem with them dying. i don't like innocent people to, whether it be from a terrorist attack or stray cruise missle, but this war is being fought to not only protect the lives of american citizens but to give Iraqis a better life, prevent many more of their deaths.

[The Nephilm]

although I'm sure a lot of you disagree with Moores stance on the war, I would love to see anyone that disagreed with his political views in Roger and Me, as far as the GM fiasco goes.

[yeat182]

yeah, both of his other documentaries were good i thought, i haven't seen bowling for columbine yet though...

[therealhebm]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
although I'm sure a lot of you disagree with Moores stance on the war, I would love to see anyone that disagreed with his political views in Roger and Me, as far as the GM fiasco goes.

no one would, he was right on that topic.

[dorkisme123]

Originally posted by bossydacow
how many Iraqi soldiers do you think really want to kill our soldiers? A lot of them don't want to fight, thats why so many have surrendered.

Dude, isn't that the point? The Iraqis aren't free, they need to be liberated.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by bossydacow
If anybody should be placed on the front lines, it should be Bush's daughters and the children of any congress person who approved this war, and anybody else who approves this war. They want it, they can fight it.

Thats stupid, only those that want to be there should be placed on the frontline.

When you inlist in the army, you put your trust in the government and it is your JOB to do what you are told.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
how many Iraqi soldiers do you think really want to kill our soldiers? A lot of them don't want to fight, thats why so many have surrendered.
and then they turn around and shoot us

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by dorkisme123
Dude, isn't that the point? The Iraqis aren't free, they need to be liberated.

then why don't they liberate themselves. Stage an uprising. I read in the paper a few days back about how thats what we had expected them to do by now. But they haven't.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
then why don't they liberate themselves. Stage an uprising. I read in the paper a few days back about how thats what we had expected them to do by now. But they haven't.
How? What army do they have to do this by themselves. They would get slaughtered

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
How? What army do they have to do this by themselves. They would get slaughtered

Saddam's existence depends on the extreme loyalty of a few. I think newsweek called them "The Dirty 9", eliminate them and rest should be easier.

[yeat182]

the people of Iraq have tried to rise up and overthrow saddam many times, every time has failed miserably. the kurds were gassed, the shiites were massacred, and most recently, a day or two ago, the people of Basra attempted to rise up against the Baath party memebers there, and were shot and killed. if not for the British marines, there would have been another massacre. they can't do it alone, they've tried, but it isnt' going to happen without our help. as long as the iraqis threaten to kill men's families, they will have people who will fight for them, and that means less people who will rise up and stop them.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by bossydacow
Saddam's existence depends on the extreme loyalty of a few. I think newsweek called them "The Dirty 9", eliminate them and rest should be easier.

Its actually about 2,000 hardened and another few thousand "republican guards" not nine.

Also you don't understand what its like in Iraq, you've never lived under the type of fear they have, where the torture is done in the streets and at arenas. Unlike here where disedents are allowed to lay in the streets, protest,disrupt life, ect.... there they are MURDERED, no trial, jury, court, no nothing, just murdered, and not only are they murdered but there families are also murdered.

So its not as easy as you might think it is.

ALso an uprising did happen in BASSRA, and the Republican guard started shot citizens on the spot whether they were apart of the uprising or not.

[yeat182]

this is the same country where saddam's son had members of the olympic soccer team executed and tortured because they didnt' score a goal in the olympics.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by yeat182
this is the same country where saddam's son had members of the olympic soccer team executed and tortured because they didnt' score a goal in the olympics.

His son is also the head of a death squad in baghdad.

[bossydacow]

except I honestly don't think liberating an oppressed country is our objective- just something convenient to say when someone protests the war.

[yeat182]

you're right, our objective is to destroy the WMD's

[bossydacow]

so you can stop using it as another excuse now.

[yeat182]

it isn't an excuse, its a bonus

[evil zach]

when the war is over it will be interesting to see if they actully find any WMDs.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by bossydacow
so you can stop using it as another excuse now.

All you use for an excuse to be against it is "its about oil, that texan cowboy, just wants oil."

[bossydacow]

no, its just breath wasted on meaningless words. In class discussion, whenever someone pulls "Bush-is-saving-the-opressed-people" card, I zone them out.

[bossydacow]

I don't think he wants oil.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by bossydacow
I don't think he wants oil.


:eek:

[yeat182]

Originally posted by evil zach
when the war is over it will be interesting to see if they actully find any WMDs.


agreed, hopefully they find them before they are used, if they're there at all.

[bossydacow]

I think he's a power-freak, who wants his name in the history books, and blah blah blah.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by bossydacow
I think he's a power-freak, who wants his name in the history books, and blah blah blah.

kind of sounds like the legacy clinton is tring to invent for himself.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
kind of sounds like the legacy clinton is tring to invent for himself.
By ejaculating semen into some interns mouth Bill Clinton has already left a legacy.

[Stompemplay]

Originally posted by bossydacow
I don't think he wants oil.

Im not sure what he wants...........

But I'm pretty sure he doesnt care about liberating iraqis, finding (possibly non-exisitant) Weapons of mass destruction, or something noble like that.......

The war doesnt bother me as much as how much power Bush has to do whatever the fuck he wants whenever he wants.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by Stompemplay
Im not sure what he wants...........

But I'm pretty sure he doesnt care about liberating iraqis, finding (possibly non-exisitant) Weapons of mass destruction, or something noble like that.......


why?

[Stompemplay]

I think that he has contradicted himself too much:

He keeps on saying weve waited 12 years to go into iraq, how come he just started talking about going in a year ago? It seems like it just popped up on his political agenda, not like hes been fearing their WMDs for 12 years.

What about North Korea? If he had honestly thought Saddam has WMDs, wouldnt he be scared of them and back off like he is with North Korea?

Does Bush really seem like hes out to liberate all of the oppressed people in the world?
........

Thats why Im confused about it, I dont have a really strong thought on the war (pretty rare around here).

[yeat182]

Originally posted by Stompemplay
I think that he has contradicted himself too much:

He keeps on saying weve waited 12 years to go into iraq, how come he just started talking about going in a year ago? It seems like it just popped up on his political agenda, not like hes been fearing their WMDs for 12 years.

What about North Korea? If he had honestly thought Saddam has WMDs, wouldnt he be scared of them and back off like he is with North Korea?

Does Bush really seem like hes out to liberate all of the oppressed people in the world?
........

Thats why Im confused about it, I dont have a really strong thought on the war (pretty rare around here).

you do realize that president bush has only been president for 2 years...not the last 12.

he isn't backing away from N. Korea, he's attempting to solve the situation diplomatically, just like he tried with Iraq. also, it makes absoltute military sense to wait until you finish one campaign before you begin another, you don't want to spread your resource so thin that you don't give yourself a chance to win. once the operation in Iraq is finished, you can talk about starting one in N. Korea if it becomes nessesary. fighting both at the same time would not be a good idea at all.

[Stompemplay]

I guess.........

Im still not completely convinced, but I was taught at a very young age to hate all republican politicians......maybe its just imposed closemindedness.

[Justin_stacy]

Maybe north korea wouldn't be such a big problem if Clinton hadn't bought them off with food and oil, which they used to inlarge there military.

This is why bush ended the program which pissed off the NK and started the problems were having to day.