$5 Ticketmaster & Livenation tickets

[rising_tied]

Offer isnt valid with EVERY ticket purchase but for the ones that say Subway $5 tickets (example: Kottonmouth Kings) type in

subway$5tix

[thesafeword]

Kottonmouth Kings sounds like the name of a white supremacist band.

[thespearkid]

kill it before it kills us.

http://thedecomposedblog.wordpress.com/2009/07/13/the-war-on-live-nation/

[Neo Cassady]

kill it before it kills us.

http://thedecomposedblog.wordpress.com/2009/07/13/the-war-on-live-nation/

:appl: good article, sir.

[Losing Streak]

Fuck Ticketmaster and anything they own.

[thespearkid]

:appl: good article, sir.
thanks!

[UnderMyDreams]

kill it before it kills us.

http://thedecomposedblog.wordpress.com/2009/07/13/the-war-on-live-nation/

...but the bands have to use LiveNation/ Ticketmaster. There aren't any large venues that these bands can play at then. Shun the sell outs like blink182? Thats ridiculous. They aren't sell outs, and they are going on tour. Of course they're going to play large venues. They can't help it if LiveNation runs the venues and everything. It's not like they're going to tour tiny 200 person venues. And would you rather every band that has success just to stop touring because they can't play in small venues and the larger ones are owned by livenation? They don't have to make a cheep ticket price either. Go to the show or don't go. Don't sit here and tell everyone going to see their favorite band that they're ruining the music industry.

[thespearkid]

...but the bands have to use LiveNation/ Ticketmaster. There aren't any large venues that these bands can play at then. Shun the sell outs like blink182? Thats ridiculous. They aren't sell outs, and they are going on tour. Of course they're going to play large venues. They can't help it if LiveNation runs the venues and everything. It's not like they're going to tour tiny 200 person venues. And would you rather every band that has success just to stop touring because they can't play in small venues and the larger ones are owned by livenation? They don't have to make a cheep ticket price either. Go to the show or don't go. Don't sit here and tell everyone going to see their favorite band that they're ruining the music industry.
bands survived just fine before livenation and tickmaster. the scene sat by idly and let those companies take over those parts of the industry because they didn't really apply to us at the time. now, they do. you're talking about a company seeking to monopolize the entire music industry. every aspect of it. is seeing blink-182 for cheap worth supporting what livenation wants to do to music? the music you claim to love is being raped and you're supporting it.

[UnderMyDreams]

bands survived just fine before livenation and tickmaster. the scene sat by idly and let those companies take over those parts of the industry because they didn't really apply to us at the time. now, they do. you're talking about a company seeking to monopolize the entire music industry. every aspect of it. is seeing blink-182 for cheap worth supporting what livenation wants to do to music? the music you claim to love is being raped and you're supporting it.

There's nothing you can do. Period. Go to the shows or don't go. LiveNation isn't going to be like "Sorry. We'll sell our venue and stop selling tickets." It's a business. Unless a competitor comes out with venues, that's where the bands have to play. Or they don't play shows. I'd much rather them play shows. LiveNation isn't raping blink or whatever. And I don't think they're trying to "monopolize the entire music industry" I think you're being a bit paranoid there. So they offer 360 deals, it's not like they're going to kill bands for not accepting them. If the band wants to do it, that's their choice.

Blink isn't in a 360 deal. They have a tour. The tour is obviously going to be of big venues. Guess who runs the big venues? LiveNation. So if they didn't go through LiveNation, there wouldn't be a tour.

[thespearkid]

There's nothing you can do. Period. Go to the shows or don't go. LiveNation isn't going to be like "Sorry. We'll sell our venue and stop selling tickets." It's a business. Unless a competitor comes out with venues, that's where the bands have to play. Or they don't play shows. I'd much rather them play shows. LiveNation isn't raping blink or whatever. And I don't think they're trying to "monopolize the entire music industry" I think you're being a bit paranoid there. So they offer 360 deals, it's not like they're going to kill bands for not accepting them. If the band wants to do it, that's their choice.

Blink isn't in a 360 deal. They have a tour. The tour is obviously going to be of big venues. Guess who runs the big venues? LiveNation. So if they didn't go through LiveNation, there wouldn't be a tour.

oh, there's plenty i can do. i can write about it. i can speak out against it. i can boycott the bands and venues that work with them and encourage others to do the same. it probably won't even leave a dent in livenation's profit margin but one has to stick to their ethics (as opposed to selling out). if you don't think livenation is trying to monopolize the industry, you're being a little naive. livenation has the ability to get to a point where the only way for a band to be successful is to work with livenation in some way. that's a monopoly.

blink has the ability to tour without livenation. they choose not to because there's more/easier money to be made by collaborating. i've got no personal beef with them but when you value money over ethics, you're a sell out. you're taking a defeatists attitude towards livenation. true, most music is already corporately controlled but at least it's by different corporations. what livenation is trying to do is near criminal, based on anti-trust laws. but if seeing blink cheap is really worth it to you, i wouldn't ask you not to go to their show. it's just sad to see the scene raped.

[UnderMyDreams]

oh, there's plenty i can do. i can write about it. i can speak out against it. i can boycott the bands and venues that work with them and encourage others to do the same. it probably won't even leave a dent in livenation's profit margin but one has to stick to their ethics (as opposed to selling out). if you don't think livenation is trying to monopolize the industry, you're being a little naive. livenation has the ability to get to a point where the only way for a band to be successful is to work with livenation in some way. that's a monopoly.

blink has the ability to tour without livenation. they choose not to because there's more/easier money to be made by collaborating. i've got no personal beef with them but when you value money over ethics, you're a sell out. you're taking a defeatists attitude towards livenation. true, most music is already corporately controlled but at least it's by different corporations. what livenation is trying to do is near criminal, based on anti-trust laws. but if seeing blink cheap is really worth it to you, i wouldn't ask you not to go to their show. it's just sad to see the scene raped.

Again, I really don't think they're trying to monopolize the industry. And they really do run most of the large venues and amphitheaters that the big bands would perform at. So it's kinda hard for a big band to not work with them. Unless they want to go to tiny venues or not tour.

[thespearkid]

Again, I really don't think they're trying to monopolize the industry. And they really do run most of the large venues and amphitheaters that the big bands would perform at. So it's kinda hard for a big band to not work with them. Unless they want to go to tiny venues or not tour.
they only run the big venues because we let them.

[Neo Cassady]

There's nothing you can do. Period. Go to the shows or don't go. LiveNation isn't going to be like "Sorry. We'll sell our venue and stop selling tickets." It's a business. Unless a competitor comes out with venues, that's where the bands have to play. Or they don't play shows. I'd much rather them play shows. LiveNation isn't raping blink or whatever. And I don't think they're trying to "monopolize the entire music industry" I think you're being a bit paranoid there. So they offer 360 deals, it's not like they're going to kill bands for not accepting them. If the band wants to do it, that's their choice.

Blink isn't in a 360 deal. They have a tour. The tour is obviously going to be of big venues. Guess who runs the big venues? LiveNation. So if they didn't go through LiveNation, there wouldn't be a tour.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that they COULD play smaller venues, play multiple venues in some larger cities (and ones with large fanbases), avoid LiveNation, and maybe even make more money in the process--I don't know how much of a cut LiveNation takes, but I imagine since they're running everything (or at least trying to) that it's substantial. Of course, why go back to the van when you've slept in that tour bus? Why play to 1000 devoted fans when you can play to 10000 seated people who wouldn't be there if tickets were >$7? It's all in the priorities...bands that big can make a living playing music regardless of a LiveNation deal, if that's what they're concerned about.

[SurfSkittles16]

i hate live nation... my mom was looking at tickets for a show and they were like $20 for lawn seats... and then on top of that... with service charges and parking (for each person not per vehicle) it brought the total up to around $100 for 2 tickets. insaaaaane i think.

[UnderMyDreams]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that they COULD play smaller venues, play multiple venues in some larger cities (and ones with large fanbases), avoid LiveNation, and maybe even make more money in the process--I don't know how much of a cut LiveNation takes, but I imagine since they're running everything (or at least trying to) that it's substantial. Of course, why go back to the van when you've slept in that tour bus? Why play to 1000 devoted fans when you can play to 10000 seated people who wouldn't be there if tickets were >$7? It's all in the priorities...bands that big can make a living playing music regardless of a LiveNation deal, if that's what they're concerned about.

They're already playing a pretty big tour. Adding more days in larger cities? They're already doing that as well.

Also, there's only a SECTION (Lawn) of the venues that are cheap. And blink did that because they wanted to help people be able to go to the show. I have friends who can't afford the higher ticket prices. Are you saying they aren't devoted fans because they don't have the money to spend on the expensive tickets? It's a great thing that they have cheap tickets. Just because you buy those tickets doesn't mean you're not a devoted fan. Jason Tate got lawn seats for his show. Is he not a devoted blink fan? Come on. That statement was ridiculous.

Plus the fact that a 1,000 person venue doesn't quite compare to a 20,000 person venue, where they are playing. That would be 1/20th of the fans who can currently go would then be able to go. The numbers there don't even compare. Blink has so many fans, that if they played that tour to 50 1,000 person venues, only 1,000 people per area that they play (a total of 50,000 people) would be able to go to the show. More than 50,000 people are going to see them in just THREE dates on the tour. What you're saying isn't going to help the fans, it's going to HURT the fans of the band.

[Mikey Radigan]

I just want to watch bands rock.

[Neo Cassady]

They're already playing a pretty big tour. Adding more days in larger cities? They're already doing that as well.

Also, there's only a SECTION (Lawn) of the venues that are cheap. And blink did that because they wanted to help people be able to go to the show. I have friends who can't afford the higher ticket prices. Are you saying they aren't devoted fans because they don't have the money to spend on the expensive tickets? It's a great thing that they have cheap tickets. Just because you buy those tickets doesn't mean you're not a devoted fan. Jason Tate got lawn seats for his show. Is he not a devoted blink fan? Come on. That statement was ridiculous.

Plus the fact that a 1,000 person venue doesn't quite compare to a 20,000 person venue, where they are playing. That would be 1/20th of the fans who can currently go would then be able to go. The numbers there don't even compare. Blink has so many fans, that if they played that tour to 50 1,000 person venues, only 1,000 people per area that they play (a total of 50,000 people) would be able to go to the show. More than 50,000 people are going to see them in just THREE dates on the tour. What you're saying isn't going to help the fans, it's going to HURT the fans of the band.

Personally (and I think many people on this site would agree), I'd rather see my favorite bands in a more intimate setting. Maybe I exaggerated with the numbers, but they could find some non-LiveNation-monopolized venues that may be slightly smaller but would afford them that freedom. And I didn't say anything about fans opting for cheaper seats being less devoted; besides, smaller venues are normally cheaper by default. What I meant was having tickets that cheap means that the band sees a negligible amount of money from those ticket sales, when touring is ultimately what makes bands money; when LiveNation screws them out of even a dollar a ticket, times 10,000 or 20,000 and that's a lot of money lost.

[The Pharmacist]

fight the power!

[thespearkid]

They're already playing a pretty big tour. Adding more days in larger cities? They're already doing that as well.

Also, there's only a SECTION (Lawn) of the venues that are cheap. And blink did that because they wanted to help people be able to go to the show. I have friends who can't afford the higher ticket prices. Are you saying they aren't devoted fans because they don't have the money to spend on the expensive tickets? It's a great thing that they have cheap tickets. Just because you buy those tickets doesn't mean you're not a devoted fan. Jason Tate got lawn seats for his show. Is he not a devoted blink fan? Come on. That statement was ridiculous.

Plus the fact that a 1,000 person venue doesn't quite compare to a 20,000 person venue, where they are playing. That would be 1/20th of the fans who can currently go would then be able to go. The numbers there don't even compare. Blink has so many fans, that if they played that tour to 50 1,000 person venues, only 1,000 people per area that they play (a total of 50,000 people) would be able to go to the show. More than 50,000 people are going to see them in just THREE dates on the tour. What you're saying isn't going to help the fans, it's going to HURT the fans of the band.

no one is saying that fans aren't real fans because they can't afford more expensive seats. the fact of the matter is, there are venues out there that will let Blink set their own ticket prices. the band could play at a non-livenation approved venue and make all their tickets cost $7. instead, they're playing in amphitheaters were some tickets are costing in the area of $50. a situation like this would never have happened if livenation wasn't already so huge that any band that wants to do a decent sized tour has to work with them. by submitting to the "they have to do it" attitude, you're giving livenation permission to continue doing the bullshit they do.

blink-182 are not bigger than the scene, nor are they bigger than the ethics it's founded upon. like i said in the blog, the term "selll out" has become so politcally incorrect but if the shoe fits, blink should wear it.

[Mikey Radigan]

What scene are we talking about? Do all bands belong to this "scene"?

[thespearkid]

What scene are we talking about? Do all bands belong to this "scene"?
the bands you like are the scene. the bands i like are the scene. the bands tate, noah fawkes, and mrs.sweeney todd likes are the scene. you and i are the scene. this website, my website, ben's website, etc. all part of the scene.

that is what livenation wants to kill.

[Mikey Radigan]

the bands you like are the scene. the bands i like are the scene. the bands tate, noah fawkes, and mrs.sweeney todd likes are the scene. you and i are the scene. this website, my website, ben's website, etc. all part of the scene.

that is what livenation wants to kill.

I lol'd at the Noah fawkes part. I do find this interesting how a power-house corporation like live nation affects the music industry. Now this might be a stupid question, but lets say you bought a ticket from the actual venue itself instead of live nation. Is that still contributing to live nation?

[thespearkid]

I lol'd at the Noah fawkes part. I do find this interesting how a power-house corporation like live nation affects the music industry. Now this might be a stupid question, but lets say you bought a ticket from the actual venue itself instead of live nation. Is that still contributing to live nation?
the venues do their sales through livenation/ticketmaster.

[nivek87]

the bands you like are the scene. the bands i like are the scene. the bands tate, noah fawkes, and mrs.sweeney todd likes are the scene. you and i are the scene. this website, my website, ben's website, etc. all part of the scene.

that is what livenation wants to kill.

seriously, just take one.

[thespearkid]

seriously, just take one.
excellent contribution to the discussion. would you like to post any of the other shit in your 4chan folder?

[Mikey Radigan]

the venues do their sales through livenation/ticketmaster.

I bought tickets to see Fake Problems for like $10 dollars in May at small bar in Boston off ticketmaster. Now I don't believe that Fake Problems in anyway shape or form are "sellouts". There were only about 10 or 15 people at that show.

[thespearkid]

I bought tickets to see Fake Problems for like $10 dollars in May at small bar in Boston off ticketmaster. Now I don't believe that Fake Problems in anyway shape or form are "sellouts". There were only about 10 or 15 people at that show.
i don't see why that bar would have to work with ticketmaster. do they typically have bigger bands coming in?

[Mikey Radigan]

Hmm well I mean the biggest band I've ever heard coming through there was Brand New this summer when they were doing their small clubs tour or whatever, but usually no there is no necessarily big bands playing there. Maybe smaller venues are using livenation? My friend saw World Inferno Friendship Society in a ridiculously small bar in Boston and bought his tickets off livenation.

[thespearkid]

Hmm well I mean the biggest band I've ever heard coming through there was Brand New this summer when they were doing their small clubs tour or whatever, but usually no there is no necessarily big bands playing there. Maybe smaller venues are using livenation? My friend saw World Inferno Friendship Society in a ridiculously small bar in Boston and bought his tickets off livenation.
that sucks to see places sized enough where people could just take money at the door working with the conglomerates instead. ehh, maybe i do need to take a chill pill.

[Mikey Radigan]

that sucks to see places sized enough where people could just take money at the door working with the conglomerates instead. ehh, maybe i do need to take a chill pill.

I thought the link you posted was interesting. Maybe we should just do massive amounts of drugs YEAAAAAAAAAA ROCK AND ROLL!!!!

[nivek87]

that sucks to see places sized enough where people could just take money at the door working with the conglomerates instead. ehh, maybe i do need to take a chill pill.

I agree with you a 110% there. There is really no need for such a middleman in such a setting. However, the larger the scale, the larger the responsibility is and alternative ticketing sites just don't have the balls for it. Massive headaches prevail as do complaints after complaints. Sometimes its easier putting your stock in these guys when you know things tend to run more smooth. 360 deals are totally different though, however, it all depends on the artists, although in an industry downfall, it can be confusing what is the smartest step.

[thespearkid]

I agree with you a 110% there. There is really no need for such a middleman in such a setting. However, the larger the scale, the larger the responsibility is and alternative ticketing sites just don't have the balls for it. Massive headaches prevail as do complaints after complaints. Sometimes its easier putting your stock in these guys when you know things tend to run more smooth. 360 deals are totally different though, however, it all depends on the artists, although in an industry downfall, it can be confusing what is the smartest step.
i agree that having a middleman helps for bigger shows but with livenation's partnership with ticketmaster, the vast majority of major venues have to go through the same company to do ticketing. even that wouldn't be such a big deal to me if livenation didn't dabble in all other aspects of the music industry.

[kianacarly]

Kottonmouth Kings sounds like the name of a white supremacist band.

Haha, I've never heard them in my life, but my cousin is a huge fan. In fact, a lot of my relatives who smoke pot all day (nothing against pot, but that's all they do all day), and are mostly alcoholics and live on the street love them. Also, the singer's label signed Brokencyde. So in short, you can't be too far off.

[thesafeword]

Haha, I've never heard them in my life, but my cousin is a huge fan. In fact, a lot of my relatives who smoke pot all day (nothing against pot, but that's all they do all day), and are mostly alcoholics and live on the street love them. Also, the singer's label signed Brokencyde. So in short, you can't be too far off.
I had a hunch.

[kianacarly]

I had a hunch.

All of the relatives I have that listen to them are Mexican though...