An Open Letter to all the SF Giants fans on this board.

[mikeford]

First of all, with or without Bonds, your team sucks. I hope like hell the Blue Sox, I mean Dodgers, beat your brains in all year and all of you are miserable come October.

That said, regardless if you win the NL West or not, you will get crushed come playoff time.

So you can enjoy cheering for a complete scumbag as he tears down the most hallowed record in all of sports from two deserving ballplayers who did it RIGHT, because your team is still going fucking NOWHERE this season in the grand scheme of things.

In closing, Bonds admitted to "unknowingly" using steroids to a Grand Jury. Your defense of someone who is stupid, oblivious and ignorant enough to put something into their body that they "didn't know what it was" is almost as stupid as defending someone who knowingly injected steroids.

[Kram41]

Well at least rooting against the Giants will give you something to root for seeing as Boston sure as hell won't be around come October this year.

[mikeford]

Well at least rooting against the Giants will give you something to root for seeing as Boston sure as hell won't be around come October this year.


you're right. a team that made the playoffs last year, that sured up its pitching, bullpen AND defense is definitely going to be worse this year. youre so smart.

[Broken Parachute]

The Giants did kinda get active this off-season. It's between them and LA for the West, They have a chance.

[mikeford]

a chance to do what? win the west? who gives a fuck? you either win the world series or your season was a failure.

[I am all talk]

Well at least rooting against the Giants will give you something to root for seeing as Boston sure as hell won't be around come October this year.
I give Shilling until the allstar break before he falls apart.

[ActorInThisPlay]

dude seriously shut the fuck up...nobody cares what you have to say so stop acting like a complete idiot and ruining the sports forums for everyone. its people like you that make this place intolerable to come to sometimes.

[somethingyellow]

:appl:Thanks for this pointless thread. I don't expect the giants to go all the way. I am hoping for a very successful year. Should I start a thread now about how i hope the Redsox lose?

[mikeford]

I give Shilling until the allstar break before he falls apart.

cool, then one of our other 7 starters can step up.

[I am all talk]

cool, then one of our other 7 starters can step up.
ohhh like David Wells? good luck with that

[Kram41]

you're right. a team that made the playoffs last year, that sured up its pitching, bullpen AND defense is definitely going to be worse this year. youre so smart.

The Yankees are going to run away with the AL East, and the Blue Jays and Yankees will both take a few more games off the Red Sox this year causing them to lose the wildcard to the West or the Central.

The Giants are much improved by picking up Matt Morris and with their young pitchers having a year's more experience. Jason Schmidt will start the season healthy. We have a healthy Barry Bonds who will win 10-15 games by himself. We will have Randy Winn for the entire season and have some guys who can come off the bench and hit. We added Kline to our bullpen and will have Benitez healthy for the entire year. The rest of the NL West did very little to improve. We'll see who's talking come October.

[wecanbeheros]

blue sox?

They NL west winner wouldve had a much better record had a) Bonds been healthy or B) half the dodger's roster be healthy.

[mikeford]

yeah the blue sox. look at their roster and manager. its like their GM tried to compile the 03 red sox.

[Caleb Cattivera]

The Yankees are going to run away with the AL East, and the Blue Jays and Yankees will both take a few more games off the Red Sox this year causing them to lose the wildcard to the West or the Central.

The Giants are much improved by picking up Matt Morris and with their young pitchers having a year's more experience. Jason Schmidt will start the season healthy. We have a healthy Barry Bonds who will win 10-15 games by himself. We will have Randy Wynn for the entire season and have some guys who can come off the bench and hit. We added Kline to our bullpen and will have Benitez healthy for the entire year. The rest of the NL West did very little to improve. We'll see who's talking come October.

have fun with matty mo. im glad he's out of saint louis. he'll win about 8 games for you this year and lose about 14.

[Adeniz19]

giants will be a contender this year if they can stay healthy

[weezer182]

attn: mikeford you are a douche. seriously all you do is complain

[Broken Parachute]

a chance to do what? win the west? who gives a fuck? you either win the world series or your season was a failure.

When your team does horrible, you like to see them at least win the division.

I'm a Mets fan and a season ticket holder. I used to go to games knowing they would lose, but I went anyway. This year I'm really hoping for the playoffs. Even if they don't win I won't be too upset because at least they made it. Then I can start thinking about the World Series (I don't consider 2000 a real world series appearance for the Mets because they played like shit). They can't be happy because the Giants improved a great deal this off season?

[Kram41]

have fun with matty mo. im glad he's out of saint louis. he'll win about 8 games for you this year and lose about 14.

Let's put a friendly wager on this with the line at 10.5 wins.

[Adeniz19]

our bullpen is so much stronger this year with benetiz back and kline and worrel to set up. that is what hurt us the most last year, our bullpen couldn't hold on to games.

[ActorInThisPlay]

our bullpen is so much stronger this year with benetiz back and kline and worrel to set up. that is what hurt us the most last year, our bullpen couldn't hold on to games.
yeah Benitez was out for almost the whole season. We have Cain as well who could turn out to be a very good pitcher. Barry is healthy and should play so I think we at least win the west this year.

[wecanbeheros]

attn: mikeford you are a douche. seriously all you do is complain

hahahahahahahahahahaha

[Adeniz19]

yeah Benitez was out for almost the whole season. We have Cain as well who could turn out to be a very good pitcher. Barry is healthy and should play so I think we at least win the west this year.Feliz and Lowry will also be big factors this year. I have high expectations that they will bring big numbers for us

[Caleb Cattivera]

Let's put a friendly wager on this with the line at 10.5 wins.

who are you again? i dont think ive seen you in here.

matty mo is junk, he was good for us for a few years though.

[Adeniz19]

who are you again? i dont think ive seen you in here.

matty mo is junk, he was good for us for a few years though.i'd rather have tomko back but i hope he could pull thru for us

[somethingyellow]

Feliz and Lowry will also be big factors this year. I have high expectations that they will bring big numbers for usas do I. I hope finley can contribute at least something this year

[itsjdiggity]

amen

[Kram41]

our bullpen is so much stronger this year with benetiz back and kline and worrel to set up. that is what hurt us the most last year, our bullpen couldn't hold on to games.

That did cost us 10-15 games. With this year's bullpen, I'd say we win 5-9 of those games. With the improved outfield of a healthy Bonds, Wynn, Alou I'd say that gives us 7-10 more wins. We'll get at least another 1-3 wins just because of our starting pitching. We'll probably lose another 1-2 with the defense we lose from J.T. Snow and the liability of Bonds in the outfield.

Given all this I'd say we're going to win 12-20 more games this year than last year putting us at around 90-95 wins this year. I'd say that's a reasonable prediction.

[I am all talk]

amen
im going to disregard the fact that you are a dodger fan and just stick to asking you who is that cutiepie in your sig?

[Kram41]

who are you again? i dont think ive seen you in here.

matty mo is junk, he was good for us for a few years though.

I'm a hockey and baseball fan, so I hang out in the NHL thread and now that baseball season is back I'll be around more often.

[Broken Parachute]

im going to disregard the fact that you are a dodger fan and just stick to asking you who is that cutiepie in your sig?

Kellie Pickler, from American Idol.

[Adeniz19]

That did cost us 10-15 games. With this year's bullpen, I'd say we win 5-9 of those games. With the improved outfield of a healthy Bonds, Wynn, Alou I'd say that gives us 7-10 more wins. We'll get at least another 1-3 wins just because of our starting pitching. We'll probably lose another 1-2 with the defense we lose from J.T. Snow and the liability of Bonds in the outfield.

Given all this I'd say we're going to win 12-20 more games this year than last year putting us at around 90-95 wins this year. I'd say that's a reasonable prediction.Ya, I'm going to miss Snow on defense. He hasn't been to productive on the offensive side ever since he stopped batting switch tho.

[weezer182]

Ya, I'm going to miss Snow on defense. He hasn't been to productive on the offensive side ever since he stopped batting switch tho.i hope finley shows up to play this year

[Kram41]

i hope finley shows up to play this year

He has so far in Spring Training, so at least we know he still has it. We'll see if he can keep it going in the regular season.

[apoemtothedead]

Let's go Oakland.

[Adeniz19]

i hope finley shows up to play this yearI totally forgot about Nierko. He was pretty solid for us last year coming up from fresno. I want to see what he can do in a full season

[weezer182]

I totally forgot about Nierko. He was pretty solid for us last year coming up from fresno. I want to see what he can do in a full seasoni think he will have a break out season this year

[Adeniz19]

i think he will have a break out season this yearGiants roster is really old and really young at the same time. this is going to be interesting

[Kram41]

Let's go Oakland.

I hope they do well this year. They're always fun to watch.

[somethingyellow]

Giants roster is really old and really young at the same time. this is going to be interestingthe injurys scare me but if the veterans stay healthy, I have a really good feeling about this team

[weezer182]

I hope they do well this year. They're always fun to watch.i agree. there isnt a lot of hate from giants fans towards oakland

[Adeniz19]

i agree. there isnt a lot of hate from giants fans towards oaklandi always root for oakland. i just love their pitching staff and i think it's amazing they stay competitive with the payroll they have.

[apoemtothedead]

Some of ya'll are snobs though, who believe your team is the best in the bay solely because of Barry Bonds, not because you've had the worst record in recent history.

I don't have a problem with most Giant fans though. Just Bonds. And his fans.

[Caleb Cattivera]

are you guys talking about steve finley im assuming?

[Adeniz19]

are you guys talking about steve finley im assuming?yea

[ActorInThisPlay]

i'd rather have tomko back but i hope he could pull thru for us
tomko sucked last season...what a bust

[ActorInThisPlay]

Ya, I'm going to miss Snow on defense. He hasn't been to productive on the offensive side ever since he stopped batting switch tho.
Snow was probably my favorite player on the Giants. I'll miss him a lot.

[Kram41]

Snow was probably my favorite player on the Giants. I'll miss him a lot.

One of the classiest athletes I've watched ever.

[somethingyellow]

i take my statement back earlier, this hasnt been a completely pointless thread. It's a start to a good giants discussion thread

[ActorInThisPlay]

One of the classiest athletes I've watched ever.
yeah and the guy was amazing on defense at 1st...one of the best.

[apoemtothedead]

yeah and the guy was amazing on defense at 1st...one of the best.
too bad he couldn't hit for shit.

[ActorInThisPlay]

too bad he couldn't hit for shit.
yeah because hitting is all that matters, not his 6 gold gloves at first base. he has a career .268 avg. which isn't terrible

[Kram41]

too bad he couldn't hit for shit.

Except for that one home run off the Mets in the playoffs which seems to make every single highlight reel the Giants ever show.

[bigmike]

honestly, can we get a stop to the barry bonds related threads. This is ridiculous. You complained about college basketball and their threads? these are the worst threads on here.

[ActorInThisPlay]

Except for that one home run off the Mets in the playoffs which seems to make every single highlight reel the Giants ever show.
or when Bobby Thompson hits the homerun to defeat the Dodgers and to win the pennant. the shot heard round the world.

[itsjdiggity]

honestly, can we get a stop to the barry bonds related threads. This is ridiculous. You complained about college basketball and their threads? these are the worst threads on here.

haha...there are 3 threads with 4+ pages dedicated to this guy

[ActorInThisPlay]

haha...there are 3 threads with 4+ pages dedicated to this guy
cause he's the best...

[NetNerdsRevenge]

One page was all I needed to realize this thread was pointless. The issue is with Bonds and the idiot known was asainxcore, not all giant fans. Living an hour outside of SF, I know a ton of Giant fans, and respect all of them. The Yankees are not going to run away with the division, the Red Sox will be fine, and the Giants will have a successful season.

the end.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

too bad he couldn't hit for shit.
He hits well in the playoffs.

[Caleb Cattivera]

fuck. steve finley is on the giants, that means i have to halfway watch them this season. he's a southern illinois saluki, so i try to keep tabs on all those guys in the leauge. theres a few of em. i hope finley does great in san fran. i think he could hit 15 hr's this year and put out about 75 rbi.

[Adeniz19]

this thread > bond's threads because we are actually having a real discussion about the team we like. thanks mike for making it.

[Kram41]

fuck. steve finley is on the giants, that means i have to halfway watch them this season. he's a southern illinois saluki, so i try to keep tabs on all those guys in the leauge. theres a few of em. i hope finley does great in san fran. i think he could hit 15 hr's this year and put out about 75 rbi.

He probaby won't see a ton of action, although more than most 4th outfielders with the age of Alou and Bonds. Our starting outfield is Bonds in left, Wynn in center, Alou in right. I see Finley starting 40-60 games this year barring any major injuries.

[somethingyellow]

this thread > bond's threads because we are actually having a real discussion about the team we like. thanks mike for making it.haha thats what i said earlier. I agree with you caleb, if he gets the chance i think he could get 15 homers 75 rbi. Id love to see flashes of him 2 years ago this year

[bigmike]

this thread > bond's threads because we are actually having a real discussion about the team we like. thanks mike for making it.
Cool. try this thread out, i heard it's sweet: http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=119439

and please, while it's nice that SF is the best team in the worst division in the NL, we might want to hold threads about teams with a legit shot at the world series.

[Adeniz19]

He probaby won't see a ton of action, although more than most 4th outfielders with the age of Alou and Bonds. Our starting outfield is Bonds in left, Wynn in center, Alou in right. I see Finley starting 40-60 games this year barring any major injuries.i'm sure he'll still play at least 3-4 times a week.

[Adeniz19]

Cool. try this thread out, i heard it's sweet: http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=119439

and please, while it's nice that SF is the best team in the worst division in the NL, we might want to hold threads about teams with a legit shot at the world series.haha dude i agree with you all these threads are ridiculous but i didnt make this one. we just turned this thread around to have a positive spin, and I really do believe the Giants have a legit shot at the series.

[Caleb Cattivera]

He probaby won't see a ton of action, although more than most 4th outfielders with the age of Alou and Bonds. Our starting outfield is Bonds in left, Wynn in center, Alou in right. I see Finley starting 40-60 games this year barring any major injuries.

i think finley should get the nod ahead of alou, much much much better fielder.

[Kram41]

and please, while it's nice that SF is the best team in the worst division in the NL, we might want to hold threads about teams with a legit shot at the world series.

Anything can happen once you get to the playoffs in baseball more-so than any sport.

[bigmike]

i think finley should get the nod ahead of alou, much much much better fielder.
Caleb, MSU/Illinois in the 2nd round of the big ten tourney.

[Kram41]

i think finley should get the nod ahead of alou, much much much better fielder.

Has Finley played much of anything other than CF in his career? I think we really need Alou's bat in the line-up, but right field in San Francisco is an important defensive position with all that ground to cover.

[bigmike]

Anything can happen once you get to the playoffs in baseball more-so than any sport.
yeah, minus college basketball.
Which is great and all, but they're still not making the world series, or even out of the first round.

[Adeniz19]

Has Finley played much of anything other than CF in his career? I think we really need Alou's bat in the line-up, but right field in San Francisco is an important defensive position with all that ground to cover.triples alley is a bitch

[Kram41]

yeah, minus college basketball.
Which is great and all, but they're still not making the world series, or even out of the first round.

Because wild card teams like the Anaheim Angels or 2002 or the Arizona D-Backs of 2001 or the Florida Marlins of 2003 or the Boston Red Sox of 2004 never win the World Series. As long as you've got some talent, whoever's hot will go all the way in the playoffs.

[Kram41]

haha thats what i said earlier. I agree with you caleb, if he gets the chance i think he could get 15 homers 75 rbi. Id love to see flashes of him 2 years ago this year

Except two years ago he hit the grand slam for the Dodgers to knock the Giants out of the playoffs. :\

[Caleb Cattivera]

Has Finley played much of anything other than CF in his career? I think we really need Alou's bat in the line-up, but right field in San Francisco is an important defensive position with all that ground to cover.

yeah, hes played twice as many games in right than alou has. he started out there. i know alou's got a slightly better bat, but i think finley has a better arm, and is a better defensive player.

[bigmike]

Because wild card teams like the Anaheim Angels or 2002 or the Arizona D-Backs of 2001 or the Florida Marlins of 2003 or the Boston Red Sox of 2004 never win the World Series. As long as you've got some talent, whoever's hot will go all the way in the playoffs.
because those wild card teams were all sooooo horrible.

[Adeniz19]

yeah, minus college basketball.
Which is great and all, but they're still not making the world series, or even out of the first round.it's all about pitching pitching pitching and this year i'm positive our bullpen will do good. I just hope our rotation can pull thru for us this year.

[somethingyellow]

Except two years ago he hit the grand slam for the Dodgers to knock the Giants out of the playoffs. :\I would like to forget about that :(, but he had a great year that year

[bigmike]

it's all about pitching pitching pitching and this year i'm positive our bullpen will do good. I just hope our rotation can pull thru for us this year.
haha. a good bullpen doesn't matter if they're in the game in the 4th and 5th inning. I think Jason Schmidt has seen his best days. Matt Morris has been on a decline the last two years. Steve kline is coming off his worst season since he was a rookie and isn't getting any younger, and i don't know if Armando Benitez is the cure for a bullpen, either.

[itsjdiggity]

Except two years ago he hit the grand slam for the Dodgers to knock the Giants out of the playoffs. :\

:dance:

[Caleb Cattivera]

haha. a good bullpen doesn't matter if they're in the game in the 4th and 5th inning. I think Jason Schmidt has seen his best days. Matt Morris has been on a decline the last two years. Steve kline is coming off his worst season since he was a rookie and isn't getting any younger, and i don't know if Armando Benitez is the cure for a bullpen, either.

steve kline! yesssssss.

i remember a few years back in saint louis, they had steve kline day. since he wears one hat all season long, they gave away hats that looked exactly like his, they looked all sweaty and nasty, i have it laying around somewhere i should take pics.

[Adeniz19]

haha. a good bullpen doesn't matter if they're in the game in the 4th and 5th inning. I think Jason Schmidt has seen his best days. Matt Morris has been on a decline the last two years. Steve kline is coming off his worst season since he was a rookie and isn't getting any younger, and i don't know if Armando Benitez is the cure for a bullpen, either.yea the only thing i'm afraid of is injurys. Our rotation does have some up and coming pictures tho. Lowry was solid for us last year and i think he will have a break out season this year. Cain is also a big prospect for us and we'll see how that goes.

[bigmike]

yea the only thing i'm afraid of is injurys. Our rotation does have some up and coming pictures tho. Lowry was solid for us last year and i think he will have a break out season this year. Cain is also a big prospect for us and we'll see how that goes.
noah lowry was good last season. but outside of him if you're looking for two aging vets with their best days behind them, and Cain, an unproven prospect with steve kline trying to find his game again and armando benitez... eh, i'll pass.
though, i'll trade them for most of the tigers rotation/bullpen.

[bigmike]

steve kline! yesssssss.

i remember a few years back in saint louis, they had steve kline day. since he wears one hat all season long, they gave away hats that looked exactly like his, they looked all sweaty and nasty, i have it laying around somewhere i should take pics.
haha, i always liked steve kline and that filthy hat. pictures would be awesome. And caleb, MSU/Illinois in the big ten tourney. I'd really hate to see Illinois go out so early. It'd almost be sad..

[Trainsaw]

Let's go Oakland.
I like the A's too bad they develop a good player then they go on to greener pastures

[NetNerdsRevenge]

I like the A's too bad they develop a good player then they go on to greener pastures
which is smart. They develop players in the minors, get their prime years in the majors, and trade them for other prospects which they develop in the minor and again use in the majors for a certain period of time. Not every play in MLB can sustain their good numbers for a whole career, only HOF players. You need distinguish between the two and Beane does an excellent job.

[Doug]

ciscoi think it's funny that your team's success banks on the sucess of armando benitez, lance niekro and steve finley. oof.

[Adeniz19]

i think it's funny that your team's success banks on the sucess of brett tomko, lance niekro and steve finley. oof.tomko isn't part of the team anymore and steve finley isnt even starting.

[asianxcore]

go giants.

[asianxcore]

tomko isn't part of the team anymore and steve finley isnt even starting.
For real, steve is a back up, and good backup at that.

[Doug]

dude, why'd you put brett tomko's name where benitez's was?

[1Roth4]

the jays are major contenders this year

;) just kidding

[Doug]

also, new found glory guitarist steve kline and jeff fassero, obviously key parts of your team?

[Doug]

the jays are major contenders this year

;) just kidding

this kid knows what's up

[Adeniz19]

dude, why'd you put brett tomko's name where benitez's was?hahaha i think our success more lays in whether or not barry can stay healthy more then anything else

[mikeford]

the jays are major contenders this year

;) just kidding

5 CORNER INFIELDERS!

woooooooooooooo world series here they come.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

That kid wigged the f*ck out.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

hahaha i think our success more lays in whether or not barry can stay healthy more then anything else
aint that the truth. look at their surge in september last year when he came back.

[Jesse2]

Let me just say that it's great seeing Yankees fans and Sox fans united on a baseball topic.

Almost enough to bring a tear to my eyes...

ok maybe not.

but fuck Bonds.

[asianxcore]

dude, why'd you put brett tomko's name where benitez's was?
why do you suck? you know shit about the giants. They are one of the best teams in the MLB when at full health. They have a solid 4 man rotation (schmidt, morris,cain,noah lowery). good starting lineup, and as good manager.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

why do you suck? you know shit about the giants. They are one of the best teams in the MLB when at full health. They have a solid 4 man rotation (schmidt, morris,cain,noah lowery). good starting lineup, and as good manager.
dude, the Giants would not be winning the division if they weren't playing in the N.L. West.

[mikeford]

the giants would not win any other division in all of baseball.

they probably wont win their own.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Who is going oust them? The Dodgers have no pitching too speak of, the Padres are questionable at every position, and the Diamondback aren't there yet (although, they’re my sleeper). The Rockies will never be there.

[somethingyellow]

Who is going oust them? The Dodgers have no pitching too speak of, the Padres are questionable at every position, and the Diamondback aren't there yet (although, they’re my sleeper). The Rockies will never be there.this is true. If the giants stay healthy they win the division, period

[histrionics22]

why do you suck? you know shit about the giants. They are one of the best teams in the MLB when at full health. They have a solid 4 man rotation (schmidt, morris,cain,noah lowery). good starting lineup, and as good manager.

Nice "solid" 4 man rotation. Calling them solid is like calling my Pirates rotation proven.

[Drew Beringer]

Go Yankees, fuck the Red Sox.

[ActorInThisPlay]

Go Yankees, fuck the Red Sox.
other way around...

[Drew Beringer]

other way around...
nope, the Boston fans here have driven me to root for the Yanks.

[somethingyellow]

other way around...Fuck both of those teams

[Kram41]

Who is going oust them? The Dodgers have no pitching too speak of, the Padres are questionable at every position, and the Diamondback aren't there yet (although, they’re my sleeper). The Rockies will never be there.

http://www.posters.ws/images/972921/new_york_mets_mike_piazza.jpg

[ActorInThisPlay]

Fuck both of those teams
yeah i am not really a fan of either but i just can't stand the Yankees, there my second most hated team only behind the fuckin Dodgers

[somethingyellow]

yeah i am not really a fan of either but i just can't stand the Yankees, there my second most hated team only behind the fuckin DodgersSame here, but red sox fans are obnoxious so I would love to see their team fail

[mikeford]

Who is going oust them? The Dodgers have no pitching too speak of

brad penny, derek lowe, odalis perez.

not exactly the scariest team in the world but they got a good bullpen with baez and gagne.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

brad penny, derek lowe, odalis perez.

not exactly the scariest team in the world but they got a good bullpen with baez and gagne.
yes, let me run in fear of the top 3 in that rotation. Two men in your bellpen is not going to help. Baez and Gagane cannot carry them.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

nope, the Boston fans here have driven me to root for the Yanks.
what did i do?

[bigmike]

why do you suck? you know shit about the giants. They are one of the best teams in the MLB when at full health. They have a solid 4 man rotation (schmidt, morris,cain,noah lowery). good starting lineup, and as good manager.
yeah, that's such a solid starting 4. two aging vets with their best years behind them, an unproven prospect, and one kid who'll be pretty good. with a bullpen that's so stellar containing armando benitez who doesn't string together two consecutive healthy, productive seasons, and steve kline, who just had his worst season since he was a rookie nearly a decade ago. not to mention your best player is a health question and still has to play the outfield on two shot knees and under steroid suspicion, which is stronger than it's ever been. you should win the division, however, by default. good luck not getting swept in the playoffs.