Sm0kerrs! Fack!

[behappy123]

Okay, I know you all are going to jump down my throat and come back with incoherent, lame reasons for supporting smokers BUT; I must continue anyways.
As a student nurse, I see how the medical system is already taxed and working hard to meet people's needs, I just cannot feel sympathy for people who self inflict. People don't ask for breast or bone cancer and yet they end up with it and suffer and do what ever they can to get better. Yet, smokers willingly put that Poison into their bodies, even while knowing the repercussions, which include COPD, and lung cancer. You chose to do that to your self, I'm sorry grow some balls and quit, don't say it's hard, there's people out there in way worse situations doing much better and fighting to get healthy, yet you useless smokers can't put a cigarette away?
Fine you want cancer, then don't come to the hospital for help, you did it to your self.
End of story.

[loveisdead]

I don't agree with smoking cigarettes but the way you refer to smokers is pretty inappropriate.

[behappy123]

I don't agree with smoking cigarettes but the way you refer to smokers is pretty inappropriate.

I know they are people too, but as an individual who suffers from an incurable disorder and would do anything to get better, and knows and sees many people suffering, I cannot find sympathy for people who knowingly put garbage into their bodies. They use up soo many resources too.
Just quit!

[MattRM]

Is there something wrong with your "o" key?

Also, my grandma has lung cancer from smoking, but she started smoking long before all of smoking's harmful effects were commonly known, and qutting can in fact be extremely difficult for some people. The withdrawal symptoms can really do a number on someone, especially when they're older and have been smoking for many years.

[behappy123]

:wave:Is there something wrong with your "o" key?

[loveisdead]

I know they are people too, but as an individual who suffers from an incurable disorder and would do anything to get better, and knows and sees many people suffering, I cannot find sympathy for people who knowingly put garbage into their bodies. They use up soo many resources too.
Just quit!
You're underestimating how addicting it is.

[behappy123]

You're underestimating how addicting it is.

No I'm not because I have dealt with patients suffering from with drawl from various substances, I understand the pathophysiology behind it. I just am hardened by experiences.
Maybe the health care system isn't in the same situation in the states, because yours is treated like a business.

[MattRM]

:wave:
:efu:

[behappy123]

:efu:

Oh that is so mature :) Bless your heart. :-d

[loveisdead]

The health care system, as fucked as it is, has nothing to do with the conversation. I don't understand why people decide to smoke cigarettes in the first place. But to say you know how hard it is to quit because you deal with the patients isn't very sound reasoning. Someone who has been in the position can argue better for that and I've never heard a testimony of, "it was easy."

[behappy123]

The health care system, as fucked as it is, has nothing to do with the conversation. I don't understand why people decide to smoke cigarettes in the first place. But to say you know how hard it is to quit because you deal with the patients isn't very sound reasoning. Someone who has been in the position can argue better for that and I've never heard a testimony of, "it was easy."

Yes I understand what your saying. What I mean by the health care system, is related to the amount of resources one patient with COPD/emphysema/lung cancer use up.
People are people, I guess there's nothing that can be done, I just hope that people can reason why it would be a good idea to quit.

[MattRM]

Oh that is so mature :) Bless your heart. :-d
Hey, at least I'm not trying to look different and cool by using zero in place of an O or using the word "fack" for "fuck". If you want to be taken seriously, well, grow up.

[thespearkid]

lol at "just quit".

[behappy123]

Hey, at least I'm not trying to look different and cool by using zero in place of an O or using the word "fack" for "fuck". If you want to be taken seriously, well, grow up.

I'm using the letter o, and your being immature for coming on here and making such a lame point. I only used fack because I wasn't sure if were allowed to use fuck when posting lol.

[behappy123]

Well all I can say is I wish there was a cure for cancer, and then all the drug companies could go to hell along with all the assholes in the government who benefited/ helped the drug companies. Screw you Novartis.

[AbsentTruth]

I have no sympathy for smokers either. If you fuck up your body it's your own problem.

[Mytsic Bullshit]

yeS!

[samsara]

ehh its not that easy as to just quit.

[GeeBee]

I have no sympathy for smokers either. If you fuck up your body it's your own problem.

I feel the same way. No one has sympathy toward hobos who drank themselves into oblivion, why should we feel any worse for someone who refuses to stop smoking?

Sorry, but if it's acceptable to tell a heroin/meth addict that they need to get help and "just quit"...why should it be any less acceptable to say as much to a smoker?

[bung]

Sorry, but if it's acceptable to tell a heroin/meth addict that they need to get help and "just quit"...why should it be any less acceptable to say as much to a smoker?

Haha, I love how you've equated smoking cigarettes and smoking meth as if it isn't an entirely absurd analogy.

[GeeBee]

Haha, I love how you've equated smoking cigarettes and smoking meth as if it isn't an entirely absurd analogy.

Ingesting poison = ingesting poison. Sorry you don't get that.

[Animalhill]

I know they are people too, but as an individual who suffers from an incurable disorder and would do anything to get better, and knows and sees many people suffering, I cannot find sympathy for people who knowingly put garbage into their bodies. They use up soo many resources too.
Just quit!
Did you ever consider that for some people, such as myself, cigarettes have been instrumental in quitting hard drugs?

[bung]

Ingesting poison = ingesting poison. Sorry you don't get that.

Right, because all "poisons" are exactly the same and have exactly the same effects as one another.

[AloneInTheDark]

yeS!

I find it extremely hard to believe that you're a nurse with your lack of compassion and common knowledge.

[Animalhill]

I find it extremely hard to believe that you're a nurse with the lack of compassion and common knowledge.
THIS

[saysmydoctor]

I think meth addicts who enter into rehabilitation have 90% fail rate. Meth is nothing like cigarettes. Meth addiction literally makes everything else fade in comparison. I mean, I don't agree with the usage of either and have little sympathy for people who use them, but having encountered Meth addicts, it's almost impossible to not feel sorry for them. Because the first time you partake in that shit, you are essentially signing your own death certificate.

[GeeBee]

FOR THE RECORD:

I never equated meth/heroin with cigarettes. I simply stated that if someone is hooked on said drugs, you'd expect them to get off their asses and get to work on quitting. I expect no less from people who smoke. The whole "it's hard" bit is getting old. I mean, pretty much anyone who is under 30 years old STARTED smoking knowing FULL WELL what they were getting into. Tell me why I should have much sympathy for that kind of nonsense?
To quote Morgan Freeman in "Lean on Me"..."If you want to kill yourself, don't fuck around with it, go on and do it expeditiously!!!"

[GeeBee]

I think meth addicts who enter into rehabilitation have 90% fail rate. Meth is nothing like cigarettes. Meth addiction literally makes everything else fade in comparison. I mean, I don't agree with the usage of either and have little sympathy for people who use them, but having encountered Meth addicts, it's almost impossible to not feel sorry for them. Because the first time you partake in that shit, you are essentially signing your own death certificate.

Given the fact that tobacco is known to rival heroin in addictiveness, I don't think it's that big a stretch to say the same about cigarettes. Granted, it obviously isn't as immediate, but it's the difference between getting hit by a speeding train, and laying down on the tracks far ahead of time.

[GeeBee]

I find it extremely hard to believe that you're a nurse with your lack of compassion and common knowledge.

I find it extremely hard to have sympathy for someone who would start smoking, given that the damage they cause is common knowledge.

[GeeBee]

Did you ever consider that for some people, such as myself, cigarettes have been instrumental in quitting hard drugs?

That's simply because Jews have a totally different physiology from other humans.:-d

[Animalhill]

That's simply because Jews have a totally different physiology from other humans.:-d
hahahahaha I think you're going a bit far to call them, "humans" you fucking hay-chewing, grass loving liberal ;-)

[GeeBee]

hahahahaha I think you're going a bit far to call them, "humans" you fucking hay-chewing, grass loving liberal ;-)

:lol:
That's the second time in a week that you've made me choke on Roasted Garlic Triscuits, you jewcy fruit!

[Animalhill]

:lol:
That's the second time in a week that you've made me choke on Roasted Garlic Triscuits, you jewcy fruit!
hahahaha SCORE. By the way, Roasted Garlic Triscuits > Every other cracker.

[AloneInTheDark]

I find it extremely hard to have sympathy for someone who would start smoking, given that the damage they cause is common knowledge.

Because shit happens and people fall into a mistake that gets them hooked. I am not a stupid individual, actually, for my age I consider myself a very smart and successful human being. I'm 20, I can live on my own, I can support myself, I have a great group of friend and a career. Does smoking a cigarette make me less of a human being than you? No? So I started a bad habit, that, well was a really bad idea. I know that, I live with it every day, everytime I spend $6 on a pack of cigarettes. I don't blame anyone but myself, however, I know it's extremely hard to quit, and non-smokers DO NOT realize that. Whatsoever.

[GeeBee]

Because shit happens and people fall into a mistake that gets them hooked. I am not a stupid individual, actually, for my age I consider myself a very smart and successful human being. I'm 20, I can live on my own, I can support myself, I have a great group of friend and a career. Does smoking a cigarette make me less of a human being than you? No? So I started a bad habit, that, well was a really bad idea. I know that, I live with it every day, everytime I spend $6 on a pack of cigarettes. I don't blame anyone but myself, however, I know it's extremely hard to quit, and non-smokers DO NOT realize that. Whatsoever.

I have no doubt you're smart. I think you're probably an awesome human being. But don't ask me to feel bad for it being "hard to quit" when you knew damn well what you were getting into from the get-go.

I realize that non-smokers can come off as condescending, but seriously...given everything you've grown up hearing about smoking, and then starting...dumb move. What do you WANT people to think about it?

[AloneInTheDark]

I have no doubt you're smart. I think you're probably an awesome human being. But don't ask me to feel bad for it being "hard to quit" when you knew damn well what you were getting into from the get-go.

I realize that non-smokers can come off as condescending, but seriously...given everything you've grown up hearing about smoking, and then starting...dumb move. What do you WANT people to think about it?

I really can't explain to you why I started, despite the fact that I knew EVERYTHING that was negative about them, I was surrounded by people who smoked. Yes, I know that is no excuse, and I'm not using it as one. I'm not asking you to feel bad for me, but honestly the placebo effect it gives is truly something that I can't explain. The first few cigarettes did relax the hell out of me, and thats what got me hooked.

[GeeBee]

I really can't explain to you why I started, despite the fact that I knew EVERYTHING that was negative about them, I was surrounded by people who smoked. Yes, I know that is no excuse, and I'm not using it as one. I'm not asking you to feel bad for me, but honestly the placebo effect it gives is truly something that I can't explain. The first few cigarettes did relax the hell out of me, and thats what got me hooked.

I'm a nail-biter since before i can remember. I can kindof sympathize with having a habit that simply seems like second nature. I can't imagine how I could ever quit.

[Cheesus]

Cry more

[Cheesus]

I have no sympathy for smokers either. If you fuck up your body it's your own problem.
funny how this is instantly nullified once its someone you care about.

[Jefferson Rank]

I went to an Incubus concert last night. Could barely see the band through all the smoke. Then when it got dark everyone got their lighters out. It was pretty intense.

[Animalhill]

I went to an Incubus concert last night. Could barely see the band through all the smoke. Then when it got dark everyone got their lighters out. It was pretty intense.
That was pot man.

[Mytsic Bullshit]

That was pot man.

Come here, every show is like that.
Security doesn't even care. :)

[Cheesus]

Come here, every show is like that.
Security doesn't even care. :)
even if they did, what can they do

[Mytsic Bullshit]

even if they did, what can they do

Umm just kick the people out that's about it.
Just last week the security guy came up to these girls and was like "I see smoke poofs" and she's like I don't have anything and then the security just walked off :P

[Jefferson Rank]

That was pot man.

I know. It smelled delicious. But there was a fair amount of regular cigs, also.

[Stormtrooper]

I'm a nail-biter since before i can remember. I can kindof sympathize with having a habit that simply seems like second nature. I can't imagine how I could ever quit.

Just joining the thread now, and a nailbiter also. But, I would imagine smoking requires a lot more work to go out of your way to go to the shop, spend ridiculous amounts of money weekly, light them, and smoke them. As opposed to just biting your nails.

[Animalhill]

Just joining the thread now, and a nailbiter also. But, I would imagine smoking requires a lot more work to go out of your way to go to the shop, spend ridiculous amounts of money weekly, light them, and smoke them. As opposed to just biting your nails.
So worth it.

[GeeBee]

So worth it.

To chime in on YOUR side of the argument (the jew side):

You live life once. Do what you gotta do. I got no probs with smokers. Just blow upwards and away from my face. And try not to let your jewness show.

[Animalhill]

To chime in on YOUR side of the argument (the jew side):

You live life once. Do what you gotta do. I got no probs with smokers. Just blow upwards and away from my face. And try not to let your jewness show.
hahahahahaha YES. I will cover my horns with my yarmulke and hooves with really, really fucking expensive shoes.

[GeeBee]

hahahahahaha YES. I will cover my horns with my yarmulke and hooves with really, really fucking expensive shoes.

Haha. What brand do you suck on? Americans always get pissed when I tell them a pack of Camels in Russia (which includes the cost of importing, tariffs, customs, and premium brand recognition) costs about 20 cents...they get pissed.

[Animalhill]

Haha. What brand do you suck on? Americans always get pissed when I tell them a pack of Camels in Russia (which includes the cost of importing, tariffs, customs, and premium brand recognition) costs about 20 cents...they get pissed.
hahaha I don't get pissed- though I am incredibly envious. I would state that because of my Russian heritage, I should get a discount, but that would be offset by the Jew tax. I smoke Marlboro 27s my friend.

[GeeBee]

hahaha I don't get pissed- though I am incredibly envious. I would state that because of my Russian heritage, I should get a discount, but that would be offset by the Jew tax. I smoke Marlboro 27s my friend.

I'd say that your Russian heritage had already pre-wired you to be a smoker anyway, and your Jewish heritage had already pre-wired you to demand a discount. It's destiny!

[Animalhill]

I'd say that your Russian heritage had already pre-wired you to be a smoker anyway, and your Jewish heritage had already pre-wired you to demand a discount. It's destiny!
:-d The perfect storm of genes.

[Rey1789]

I think it needs to be said that no government in the world despite what they say want people to quit smoking, simply for the fact that without the tax they get from it everyone would be even more broke than they are now! Just look at the tax rates on ciggarettes all over the world.

[zonto]

As much as I've read/heard that smoking is tough to give up (and I have no doubt it is,) I know for a fact that if you really want to quit you can do it. I worked with a family as a missionary where the husband and wife had smoked for about 30 years straight and they gave it up immediately when we taught them about its destructive physical and (more importantly) spiritual effects. We prayed, fasted for a day, and it was done. They both said it was the hardest thing that they'd done up to that point in their lives. They drank a lot of grape juice. They had ridiculous headaches as they suffered through the withdrawals. But because of their resolve, they said it was easy to cope with those negative things.

It's all about priorities and perspective I guess.

[zonto]

Just joining the thread now, and a nailbiter also. But, I would imagine smoking requires a lot more work to go out of your way to go to the shop, spend ridiculous amounts of money weekly, light them, and smoke them. As opposed to just biting your nails.

True, not to mention the chemical and other effects that they wreak on your body.

I bit my nails basically my whole life. Quit when I was 21. Started again at 22. Quit again and I'm loving life. Sometimes I'll still bite hangnails off or whatever, but it's a good feeling knowing that I've mastered something like that you know?

[GeeBee]

As much as I've read/heard that smoking is tough to give up (and I have no doubt it is,) I know for a fact that if you really want to quit you can do it. I worked with a family as a missionary where the husband and wife had smoked for about 30 years straight and they gave it up immediately when we taught them about its destructive physical and (more importantly) spiritual effects. We prayed, fasted for a day, and it was done. They both said it was the hardest thing that they'd done up to that point in their lives. They drank a lot of grape juice. They had ridiculous headaches as they suffered through the withdrawals. But because of their resolve, they said it was easy to cope with those negative things.

It's all about priorities and perspective I guess.

Agreed with all but the bolded. It implies that smokers can't be equally/moreso spiritual/moral than non-smokers. We both know that's not the case.

[zonto]

Agreed with all but the bolded. It implies that smokers can't be equally/moreso spiritual/moral than non-smokers. We both know that's not the case.


I respect that explanation. Re-reading my post I would define it this way:

Because somebody is addicted to a substance that has taken control of their body, they are less able to function at full capacity because of the effects that the chemicals wreak on your brain. The substance controls them to a certain extent, instead of them being in control and making cognitive decisions that they could otherwise.

I guess it makes sense in my mind what I'm trying to say. Same type of a concept as someone that drinks having slower reaction time, but just applied to smoking? :shrug:

[GeeBee]

I respect that explanation. Re-reading my post I would define it this way:

Because somebody is addicted to a substance that has taken control of their body, they are less able to function at full capacity because of the effects that the chemicals wreak on your brain. The substance controls them to a certain extent, instead of them being in control and making cognitive decisions that they could otherwise.

I guess it makes sense in my mind what I'm trying to say. Same type of a concept as someone that drinks having slower reaction time, but just applied to smoking? :shrug:

I gotcha. In other words, vice is no good. I can roll with that.

[phil19]

i was really dissapointed when i clicked on your profile only to find it was set to private

[bung]

I respect that explanation. Re-reading my post I would define it this way:

Because somebody is addicted to a substance that has taken control of their body, they are less able to function at full capacity because of the effects that the chemicals wreak on your brain. The substance controls them to a certain extent, instead of them being in control and making cognitive decisions that they could otherwise.

I guess it makes sense in my mind what I'm trying to say. Same type of a concept as someone that drinks having slower reaction time, but just applied to smoking? :shrug:

Well, being drunk is nothing like smoking a cigarette.. like not even in the slightest, not even in your little comparison. You can't cross-compare drugs in the way you're doing because individual drugs, or at least individual classes of drugs, need to be treated separately since effects between them vary so widely.

For instance, many drugs allow people to function beyond their normal capacity. Nicotine, since it's a stimulant, enhances attention and concentration. After taking caffeine, as an example, people will consistently do better than a "sober" mind on memory and concentration tests. Amphetamines, even methamphetamine, enhance memory formation if given in correct doses. MDMA enhances empathy, trust, and openness.

Saying that people who are addicted to nicotine are not in complete control of their cognitive decisions is absolutely false. You can't group all drugs together and say, "Yeah, they wreck havoc on your brain." Nicotine and caffeine, two of the most popular drugs in the world, do not cause any damage to your brain at all.

[Jake Denning]

I smoke cigars and cloves sometimes when my friends and I hang out. I'd say I go through about 25 cigars a year. No big deal.

[zonto]

Well, being drunk is nothing like smoking a cigarette.. like not even in the slightest, not even in your little comparison. You can't cross-compare drugs in the way you're doing because individual drugs, or at least individual classes of drugs, need to be treated separately since effects between them vary so widely.

For instance, many drugs allow people to function beyond their normal capacity. Nicotine, since it's a stimulant, enhances attention and concentration. After taking caffeine, as an example, people will consistently do better than a "sober" mind on memory and concentration tests. Amphetamines, even methamphetamine, enhance memory formation if given in correct doses. MDMA enhances empathy, trust, and openness.

Saying that people who are addicted to nicotine are not in complete control of their cognitive decisions is absolutely false. You can't group all drugs together and say, "Yeah, they wreck havoc on your brain." Nicotine and caffeine, two of the most popular drugs in the world, do not cause any damage to your brain at all.

Studies have shown that regular smokers have lower monoamine oxidase A and B activity (Sharma, 2006). These enzymes serve many functions in the body, one being the regulation of moods. Depression has been shown to increase when dependant smokers quit using nicotine.

Besides the time lost from smoke breaks, workplace productivity is severely affected by the depression that accompanies nicotine addiction. The decreased enzyme activity has also been linked to attention deficit disorder. The ups and downs of nicotine cravings further contribute to productivity loss. When a smoker tries and fails to quit, depression increases.

source if you care (http://www.streetdirectory.com/travel_guide/110869/depression/depression_cigarettes_and_negative_ ions.html)

[Animalhill]

Studies have shown that regular smokers have lower monoamine oxidase A and B activity (Sharma, 2006). These enzymes serve many functions in the body, one being the regulation of moods. Depression has been shown to increase when dependant smokers quit using nicotine.

Besides the time lost from smoke breaks, workplace productivity is severely affected by the depression that accompanies nicotine addiction. The decreased enzyme activity has also been linked to attention deficit disorder. The ups and downs of nicotine cravings further contribute to productivity loss. When a smoker tries and fails to quit, depression increases.

source if you care (http://www.streetdirectory.com/travel_guide/110869/depression/depression_cigarettes_and_negative_ ions.html)
While it is obvious that cigarettes are anything but good for your health, as I have said before, they can be instrumental in the quitting of hard drugs.

[bung]

Studies have shown that regular smokers have lower monoamine oxidase A and B activity (Sharma, 2006). These enzymes serve many functions in the body, one being the regulation of moods. Depression has been shown to increase when dependant smokers quit using nicotine.

Besides the time lost from smoke breaks, workplace productivity is severely affected by the depression that accompanies nicotine addiction. The decreased enzyme activity has also been linked to attention deficit disorder. The ups and downs of nicotine cravings further contribute to productivity loss. When a smoker tries and fails to quit, depression increases.

source if you care (http://www.streetdirectory.com/travel_guide/110869/depression/depression_cigarettes_and_negative_ ions.html)

Well I don't agree with workplace smoke breaks, so there's that. And about being depressed after you quit--no shit. Any addictive drug will make you depressed if you stop using it.

A linked enzyme accompanying nicotine addiction which may produce ADD is not evidence of anything. It could be that that enzyme is more prevalent in people with ADD, but the enzyme itself is no where near the sufficient cause of ADD.

Also, it is a fallacy to assume nicotine is the cause of lost workplace productivity. It could be just as likely that people who are generally lazy and unproductive are predisposed to pick up smoking--much the same way aggressive people tend to be drawn to violent videogames, but it's not necessarily the videogames that produce violent behavior. It also could be that there is a third, unseen variable that factors in.

And BTW, a great majority of that article is not even sourced. And there is absolutely no correlation between picking up smoking and becoming depressed. There is, however, a correlation between being depressed and picking up smoking. Edit: Actually, most of what I've read is that nicotine can help lessen depression, but I just found some that say it is correlated with depression. That being so, it's entirely possible a third factor is not being measured, or that the correlation is simply the result of people predisposed to depression wanting to smoke.

Edit again: LOL. Just looked at the real study that claims nicotine causes depression--they used rats in their experiment and said the rats would react with a depressive-like state. They also said, although it's possible, this finding cannot yet be generalized to humans. Not to mention animal experiments almost always use doses that are practically near fatal for a human.

[zonto]

I don't revere that article, I just googled for cigarettes and depression and clicked on it. Again, I wasn't ever comparing drinking to smoking, I was using it as an example to try to illustrate what my brain and fingers weren't able to do at the time. And it was typed in response to GeeBee's previous post only, not as some sort of general, ignorant, stereotypical statement.

All I'm saying is that smoking has no redeeming qualities in my eyes. It's addictive, it destroys your agency, it's destructive and the world would be better without them. But since I also believe in that same agency I've spoken of, I respect the fact if people choose to do so. I don't agree but just because someone smokes doesn't mean I won't associate with them or anything. C'mon.

If nothing else, I believe these things because God has revealed in our day that tobacco is not for body or the belly, and is not good for man but is an herb for bruises and sick cattle that should be used with judgment and skill. Another fine example of humans taking something inherently good and turning it into something destructive.

/yay I'm mormon, get over it comments.

[Animalhill]

I don't revere that article, I just googled for cigarettes and depression and clicked on it. Again, I wasn't ever comparing drinking to smoking, I was using it as an example to try to illustrate what my brain and fingers weren't able to do at the time. And it was typed in response to GeeBee's previous post only, not as some sort of general, ignorant, stereotypical statement.

All I'm saying is that smoking has no redeeming qualities in my eyes. It's addictive, it destroys your agency, it's destructive and the world would be better without them. But since I also believe in that same agency I've spoken of, I respect the fact if people choose to do so. I don't agree but just because someone smokes doesn't mean I won't associate with them or anything. C'mon.

If nothing else, I believe these things because God has revealed in our day that tobacco is not for body or the belly, and is not good for man but is an herb for bruises and sick cattle that should be used with judgment and skill. Another fine example of humans taking something inherently good and turning it into something destructive.

/yay I'm mormon, get over it comments.
Yeah, but you can't honestly believe that policy reguarding its legality should be based on that, do you?

[zonto]

Yeah, but you can't honestly believe that policy reguarding its legality should be based on that, do you?

Did you read my whole post?

Answer: No.

That would mean we'd have legislation passed requiring everyone to keep the 10 Commandments, pre-marital chastity, no alcohol, smoking, drugs, or other addictive substances, tithing, etc... which clearly infringes upon agency like I talked about. :-)

[Animalhill]

Did you read my whole post?

Answer: No.

That would mean we'd have legislation passed requiring everyone to keep the 10 Commandments, pre-marital chastity, no alcohol, smoking, drugs, or other addictive substances, tithing, etc... which clearly infringes upon agency like I talked about. :-)
:-) haha good.

[Crowe41]

I honestly have found myself slowly becoming a smoker. Although I am well aware of the negative effects, there is so much more to smoking than just the nicotine craving which makes it very difficult to quit. I welcome non-smokers to remind me what I'm doing to myself, and try to use that as fuel to ultimately shake the habit. I don't appreciate condesending non-smokers though, 90% of them are hypocrites, their bad habits just don't happen to be on public display.

[llwilliamsll]

Okay, I know you all are going to jump down my throat and come back with incoherent, lame reasons for supporting smokers BUT; I must continue anyways.
As a student nurse, I see how the medical system is already taxed and working hard to meet people's needs, I just cannot feel sympathy for people who self inflict. People don't ask for breast or bone cancer and yet they end up with it and suffer and do what ever they can to get better. Yet, smokers willingly put that Poison into their bodies, even while knowing the repercussions, which include COPD, and lung cancer. You chose to do that to your self, I'm sorry grow some balls and quit, don't say it's hard, there's people out there in way worse situations doing much better and fighting to get healthy, yet you useless smokers can't put a cigarette away?
Fine you want cancer, then don't come to the hospital for help, you did it to your self.
End of story.
Funny thing is, that's not how it works. Your complaints and beliefs will not do anything as far as making people quit because
- The majority of smokers are aware of the health defects it can cause. We are aware of the situation
- You should try quitting and experience it for yourself, it's not as easy as you think
- You're a fucking nurse. It's your job to serve these people. You can't deny someone medical attention because you hate smokers, and they will continue to come to your hospital. Unless of course they don't have medical insurance. Then it's "we're the only few that can help you, but fuck it, you're not going to be able to pay off this bill".

[GeeBee]

...their bad habits just don't happen to be on public display.

Baloney. My palms are hairy and I'm as blind as a bat.

[Crowe41]

Baloney. My palms are hairy and I'm as blind as a bat.

Haha, even if that happened...would it make you stop?

[Animalhill]

Baloney. My palms are hairy and I'm as blind as a bat.
Why are you mockingly describing my people?

[GeeBee]

Haha, even if that happened...would it make you stop?
Perhaps if I was still religious, yeah. Serving the lord's sacrament with hairy palms would pretty much give me away as a grievous sinner, haha.

Why are you mockingly describing my people?
:-d

[Animalhill]

Perhaps if I was still religious, yeah. Serving the lord's sacrament with hairy palms would pretty much give me away as a grievous sinner, haha.


:-d
haha I try my friend, I try.