How far do you think saosin would of gotten...

[moths wings]

if anthony green stayed?

I mean, I know they can only get so far for a post hardcore band, but i've been spinning their first EP a lot recently because I've been feeling extremely nostalgic.

Everything on the EP is just great, even though I dont listen to that genre really at all anymore, I still love this shit.

So do you think they would of blown up even bigger than they already are?
I notice that cove has a more mainstream voice, which is probably why they got radio play, but i still wonder what path they would of gone with anthony.

[TheFaceOfZach]

What if questions are impossible to answer. Simply because if you knew the circumstances for why this happened( Anthony leaving Saosin ). You would know, it's for the best. And Cove has Anthony's support. They even performed together to play Dear Child on Anthony's tour with Good Old War.

[chipdip18]

It's a good question to ask. Everyone loved Saosin then.

[moths wings]

What if questions are impossible to answer. Simply because if you knew the circumstances for why this happened( Anthony leaving Saosin ). You would know, it's for the best. And Cove has Anthony's support. They even performed together to play Dear Child on Anthony's tour with Good Old War.
Eh, I just wanted to see what other people think. I mean like, What if the sky was raining fire balls, well i would run.

Its not that hard to say what you would think would happen in said scenario.

But this wasnt meant to be a green vs. cove thread. Im just really curious as to where saosin would of gone with anthony. He's an amazing vocalist and like I said, that EP was amazing.

[TheFaceOfZach]

Eh, I just wanted to see what other people think. I mean like, What if the sky was raining fire balls, well i would run.

Its not that hard to say what you would think would happen in said scenario.

But this wasnt meant to be a green vs. cove thread. Im just really curious as to where saosin would of gone with anthony. He's an amazing vocalist and like I said, that EP was amazing.

Translating the Name is amazing. I honestly can say, I listen to that more than anything else Saosin has released. I also really like Circa Survive.

So in dream scenario?

They would be different lyrically. But ultimately sounding the same. And Circa Survive is nowhere near as big as Saosin. So if you take that into consideration. They would be a relatively unfamiliar band that is really popular on these boards.

[SSLYBY]

I hated old Saosin and new Saosin just as much. I really never seen the appeal. Maybe I should give the old EP another try.

As for me being non-knowledgeable about this band I'll try and give an outsiders opinion. Saosin is quite popular now, basically being one of the most talked about bands on warped tour this year. I really believe that they will blow up this year with the scene kids. I honestly think it'd be just about the same popularity, unless you're talking about this AP community where they would obviously be more popular.

[moths wings]

Translating the Name is amazing. I honestly can say, I listen to that more than anything else Saosin has released. I also really like Circa Survive.

So in dream scenario?

They would be different lyrically. But ultimately sounding the same. And Circa Survive is nowhere near as big as Saosin. So if you take that into consideration. They would be a relatively unfamiliar band that is really popular on these boards.
Seven years has been my top played song on my itunes for years haha. And every song on that EP is just fantastic.


Well, I was picturing anthonies vocals on a song like Voices and I dont think it would fit what they had going.
Though, I kind of have a feeling that saosin would probably be at chiodos stature now, except a lot more talented. They both started relatively around the same time, and were one of the bigger bands of the post hardcore scene back in the day.

[moths wings]

I hated old Saosin and new Saosin just as much. I really never seen the appeal. Maybe I should give the old EP another try.
Definitely dude. Listen to the whole thing, but best songs are Seven years and I Wanna Hear Another Fast Song.


Actually, I dont think Seven Years is actually on the EP so you'd probably have to just look it up on youtube or some shit.

[TheFaceOfZach]

I Wanna Hear Another Fast Song is on the Saosin EP

[Burn_Burn_Burn]

Seven years has been my top played song on my itunes for years haha. And every song on that EP is just fantastic.


Well, I was picturing anthonies vocals on a song like Voices and I dont think it would fit what they had going.
Though, I kind of have a feeling that saosin would probably be at chiodos stature now, except a lot more talented. They both started relatively around the same time, and were one of the bigger bands of the post hardcore scene back in the day.

Exactly what I think. Look, Saosin even said that when Cove sent them the tape, they thought it was Anthony playing a trick on them. They wanted somebody like Anthony to sing for the band. Ant is one of my favorite singers ever, no lie, but that doesn't stop me from saying: Cove Reber is a flippin talented kid. For sure he is.

[SSLYBY]

I Wanna Hear Another Fast Song is on the Saosin EP

He said Seven Years wasn't.

[moths wings]

Exactly what I think. Look, Saosin even said that when Cove sent them the tape, they thought it was Anthony playing a trick on them. They wanted somebody like Anthony to sing for the band. Ant is one of my favorite singers ever, no lie, but that doesn't stop me from saying: Cove Reber is a flippin talented kid. For sure he is.
Cove sounds kind of similar, but his voice is so clean cut compared to anthonies, which is why I dont like it as much.

But I've seen Cove try and sing anthonies songs and he can hardly do it. I still may go to their set at warped tour though, its been awhile and i want to hear another fast song

lolololololol

[TheFaceOfZach]

Okay to clear up any confusion:

Saosin EP has I Wanna Hear Another Fast Song

Translating the Name EP has Seven Years

:D

[moths wings]

I hated old Saosin and new Saosin just as much. I really never seen the appeal. Maybe I should give the old EP another try.

As for me being non-knowledgeable about this band I'll try and give an outsiders opinion. Saosin is quite popular now, basically being one of the most talked about bands on warped tour this year. I really believe that they will blow up this year with the scene kids. I honestly think it'd be just about the same popularity, unless you're talking about this AP community where they would obviously be more popular.
Arnt they playing ernie ball this year? They should of been given a better stage, hurley at least.

[CS Lewis]

I got into Saosin while Anthony was still in the band. After he left, I stopped paying attention to them. Never bought their full-length and figured I really wasn't missing out on much. I can say that they'd have one more fan if Anthony stayed. With that said though, "You're Not Alone" is definitely one of my guilty pleasures. Haha.

[moths wings]

Okay to clear up any confusion:

Saosin EP has I Wanna Hear Another Fast Song

Translating the Name EP has Seven Years

:D
Totally forgot they were two seperate EP's, my bad.

[SSLYBY]

Arnt they playing ernie ball this year? They should of been given a better stage, hurley at least.

I didn't watch them. :shrug: All I know Indy went Apeshit for them.

[TheFaceOfZach]

Totally forgot they were two seperate EP's, my bad.

Naw, it's cool. I remembered that in my head for some reason. Because I got into Saosin after hearing Bury Your Head. So obviously I would know something like that. But then at the time I had no life..

[moths wings]

I got into Saosin while Anthony was still in the band. After he left, I stopped paying attention to them. Never bought their full-length and figured I really wasn't missing out on much. I can say that they'd have one more fan if Anthony stayed. With that said though, "You're Not Alone" is definitely one of my guilty pleasures. Haha.
I downloaded it and didnt really like it. It sounded pretty generic, but it was released around the time that cockloads of bands were releasing post hardcore records.


Buuuut cove did do a pretty good job with the bury your head recording. Not as good as anthony of course, but I was pretty convinced.

[moths wings]

Naw, it's cool. I remembered that in my head for some reason. Because I got into Saosin after hearing Bury Your Head. So obviously I would know something like that. But then at the time I had no life..
Bury your head was the first song I heard too. Saosin was actually my very first show haha, 2003, i was in like 7th grade.

[TheFaceOfZach]

Well, Cove does appear to have gotten better at screaming judging from the Come Close live DVD. Which was overall, very shitty. Anthony is just way more consistent at holding notes.

[moths wings]

Yeah, and theres a big stage presence difference too.


But I have a feeling there was a lot of studio magic on coves voice on their CD.

[tommy's ghost]

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[TheFaceOfZach]

Bury your head was the first song I heard too. Saosin was actually my very first show haha, 2003, i was in like 7th grade.

Yeah, I've only heard clips of an Anthony version Bury Your Head. Wasn't that much different for me.

But when I mean Bury Your Head was the first song I ever heard. It was like back when they were on the Taste of Chaos tour. So it was with Cove and Fuse was going nuts on Taste of Chaos and played that song.

[inuewiwedem]

Not as far. They're more accessible with Cove.

Cove is better off in Saosin.

and Anthony is better off in all his projects.

/thread

[moths wings]

Yeah, I've only heard clips of an Anthony version Bury Your Head. Wasn't that much different for me.

But when I mean Bury Your Head was the first song I ever heard. It was like back when they were on the Taste of Chaos tour. So it was with Cove and Fuse was going nuts on Taste of Chaos and played that song.
Ohhh. I was lucky enough to find out about them back when anthony was still in the band. A friend burned me a copy of the EP and I loved it. They were definitely the stepping stone in that type of music for me. Before that I listened to Linkin Park and MCR haha.

[I'm DC]

I think they would have gotten the exact same place...

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

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Thank you.

And I think they'd be about the same. This band just didn't strike while the iron was hot. I'd rather have Anthony doing some interesting stuff with Circa as opposed to wallowing in mediocrity with Beau and the gang.

[murrich]

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The site have this song , i like it

[DarkBlue13]

Translating the Name is amazing. I honestly can say, I listen to that more than anything else Saosin has released. I also really like Circa Survive.

So in dream scenario?

They would be different lyrically. But ultimately sounding the same. And Circa Survive is nowhere near as big as Saosin. So if you take that into consideration. They would be a relatively unfamiliar band that is really popular on these boards.

This.

[zack-182]

Any band who is popular in their early stages and loses their lead singer will either lose huge fan support or always be in question of the "What if" debate..in reality there's nothing wrong with Cove's voice at all..it's just not identical to Anthony's.
Personally, I do like Anthony's more, but I do really enjoy new Saosin as well.

[Akissforher]

It's a good question to ask. Everyone loved Saosin then.


see i didnt think they were that great then, im possibly the only person on the planet who thinks that but i prefer saosin now than then

[JimmyIymmiJ]

I loved their first EP, but I haven't been a fan of anything they or Anthony Green have done since.

[nickthehick2]

I think they would have gone just as far without him. Anthony has a nice voice, but it gets boring after a while.

[Ari Christos]

I don't think they'd be nearly as popular to the mainstream (not saying they're a mainstream band, but probably wouldn't have had any popular or radio friendly singles). I can see them being huge on this site and to the scene still, though. Maybe even more so.

[danielineffigy]

I don't think they'd be nearly as popular to the mainstream (not saying they're a mainstream band, but probably wouldn't have had any popular or radio friendly singles). I can see them being huge on this site and to the scene still, though. Maybe even more so.
Yeah I agree, although I think, had Anthony stayed, they wouldn't have achieved the commercial success they have.

[rollerman4221]

Ill take having both saosin and circa survive over just saosin anyday......

[rickmo]

Seven years has been my top played song on my itunes for years haha. And every song on that EP is just fantastic.


Well, I was picturing anthonies vocals on a song like Voices and I dont think it would fit what they had going.
Though, I kind of have a feeling that saosin would probably be at chiodos stature now, except a lot more talented. They both started relatively around the same time, and were one of the bigger bands of the post hardcore scene back in the day.



I agree with your point. Saosin went in a more structured and formulated process, in comparison to Translating the Name. I dont think he would be able to use his voice like he can in a band like Circa Survive. I love Translating the Name but if Saosin headed in the same direction that they headed now with Anthony, I dunno if he would make as big of an impact vocally on new Saosin, but they'd blow Chiodos out of the water definitely if they still were playing Translating the Name type stuff.

Im not a fan of the direction Saosin went with their last record, but Im looking forward to a new album from them


see i didnt think they were that great then, im possibly the only person on the planet who thinks that but i prefer saosin now than then

there are more people like you than you think, I have arguments over old and new Saosin all the time.

[saorock]

Yeah, I've only heard clips of an Anthony version Bury Your Head. Wasn't that much different for me.

But when I mean Bury Your Head was the first song I ever heard. It was like back when they were on the Taste of Chaos tour. So it was with Cove and Fuse was going nuts on Taste of Chaos and played that song.


Anthony never sang Bury Your Head. Cove wrote the lyrics to that song. You are probably talking about the Saosin EP version of the song, which was Cove. He did sound a lot more like Anthony in the earlier material though.

[fadedmemories]

Not any farther than where they are right now.

[AndrewIcex]

I am not huge on new Saosin, so my opinion is slightly biased.. I would say Saosin would have been better.. but not necessarily bigger than they are now.

[Full Effect Ed]

It's hard to follow Saosin anymore since they love re-recording songs for their full lengths and slapping on a new name to give it "a new feel"

I Wanna Hear Another Fast Song = Sleepers
I've Become What I've Always Hated = Come Close
New Angel = I Never Wanted To
Uphill Battle = On My Own
Love Maker = The Worst of Me
Keep Secrets = I Keep My Secrets Safe

Thankfully there are no plans to re-record "Bury Your Head" in the near future

[raptorz44]

Well I didn't really read the thread, but think of this for a second:
Keith Goodwin of Days Away and Good Old War was originally offered to be the lead singer of Saosin. He declined, but recommended Anthony. Let's say he accepted. He stays in Saosin, he never forms Good Old War and leaves Days Away. Now, Anthony is in Philly without a band. He went to high school with some members of Days Away, so he joins Days Away. Days Away break up, he forms Good Old War(with a different name of course...Green Old War? Anthony, Dan, and Tim?) and he is the lead singer of Good Old War. Then he forms Circa Survive as a side project.



This is just some effed up alternate universe I thought up the other day.

[WhatJulianSaid]

these are ridiculous because everyone's opinions are different I personally like the self titled more than the old stuff, I know shocking right?!? but I like circa survive more than saosin in general although saosin has all the talent they've got going for them circa has more and I don't think saosin with anthony would have ever topped what circa is because their nowhere as talented and don't have as much going for them musically but I do think their both talented in their own respective rights, I've seen them each be good and bad one time or another they each have downfalls just like every other band so all I have to say is..

It is what it is

by the way saosin was purely great at warped a week or so ago, they play the hurley stage fyi but when I saw them they did the old songs spot on and even got me to like the newer songs because they performed them so well

that is all

[lew_1987]

The EP is so good because it was never repeated. I think it would have been if Green stayed.

[moths wings]

Anthony never sang Bury Your Head. Cove wrote the lyrics to that song. You are probably talking about the Saosin EP version of the song, which was Cove. He did sound a lot more like Anthony in the earlier material though.
He does sound like anthony in the EP version, you can tell that its cove in the acoustic version though. Hmm, my bad.

What happened? Coves voice sounds so generic and computerized now. Cove sang I wanna hear another fast song too right? I think earlier I said that was one of my favorites but re-listening to it its not the song i'm thinking of.

[moths wings]

these are ridiculous because everyone's opinions are different I personally like the self titled more than the old stuff, I know shocking right?!? but I like circa survive more than saosin in general although saosin has all the talent they've got going for them circa has more and I don't think saosin with anthony would have ever topped what circa is because their nowhere as talented and don't have as much going for them musically but I do think their both talented in their own respective rights, I've seen them each be good and bad one time or another they each have downfalls just like every other band so all I have to say is..

It is what it is

by the way saosin was purely great at warped a week or so ago, they play the hurley stage fyi but when I saw them they did the old songs spot on and even got me to like the newer songs because they performed them so well

that is all
From every video I've seen, and the time I saw saosin with cove (like 2 years ago), he absolutely butchered 7 years. Like, ears bleeding butcher.

I hope they dont re-record that song for the new album.

[moths wings]

Oh, the song I was thinking of was I can tell there was an accident here, not i wanna hear another fast song.

[punk89]

This is definitely an interesting question. Translating The Name absolutely defined my high school years. My first band was a Saosin cover band. You want to hear how horrible this band was? www.purevolume.com/underthemaple. Fun stuff. I feel like if Anthony stayed in the band, the band may have never seen as much mainstream exposure, but could have redefined post-hardcore. Anthony is still out there making amazing music, but I don't feel like his voice has ever reached the sheer intensity of TTN. It would have been a dream to see them take the same direction as "I Can Tell." Too bad this band doesn't do anything at all for me anymore.

[Until The Bombs]

No further than they've gotten. They both sound just as well once produced, it makes no difference.

[TheFaceOfZach]

Anthony never sang Bury Your Head. Cove wrote the lyrics to that song. You are probably talking about the Saosin EP version of the song, which was Cove. He did sound a lot more like Anthony in the earlier material though.


Then why is there a demo that can be found of Anthony singing Bury Your Head?

[the1]

I think Anthony only really fits with Circa. Cove is a better fit for the modern rock Saosin now make. Anthony was great, but I really cant imagine him singing You're Not Alone...

[seraph1214]

I still listen to TTN on a regular basis, but their last album got so boring to me after a while.

[BenPunknews]

I think they would have gotten the exact same place...

QFT

[cuzimlefthanded]

I downloaded it and didnt really like it. It sounded pretty generic, but it was released around the time that cockloads of bands were releasing post hardcore records.


Buuuut cove did do a pretty good job with the bury your head recording. Not as good as anthony of course, but I was pretty convinced.

anthony never recorded a version of bury your head..

[cuzimlefthanded]

Then why is there a demo that can be found of Anthony singing Bury Your Head?

there isn't. the band has stated in numerous interviews that chris worked with cove on the lyrics for bury your head. anthony had already left by the time that song was written. however, anthony does sing on a demo version of come close.

[cuzimlefthanded]

Arnt they playing ernie ball this year? They should of been given a better stage, hurley at least.

they're playing the hurley stage.
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[timtowner]

Saosin would be 100% better live. They are one of those bands that are great on record but horrible live. That kills it for me.

I hate saying that cause the guys are cool dudes but if Anthony was still in the band, they would be bigger (my guess).

If you look at all the career bands and mainstream bands, they almost all have legit sets. Some of it might be auto-tuned and rehearsed a million times, but the shows sound good. Very few bad live bands ever break into mainstream.

Anthony Green is a great front man and can hit the notes.

[jon.]

From every video I've seen, and the time I saw saosin with cove (like 2 years ago), he absolutely butchered 7 years. Like, ears bleeding butcher.

I hope they dont re-record that song for the new album.
They've release 2 EPs and a full length without Green. Why the fuck would they re-record it?

[timtowner]

they're playing the hurley stage.
k4hdOboL_2M

Notice how often Cove lets the crowd sing? He can't hit the notes :-(

[cuzimlefthanded]

Notice how often Cove lets the crowd sing? He can't hit the notes :-(

nah, while he CAN hit the notes, he's pretty lazy about it and doesnt seem willing to exert himself. though i must say, when you're a part of the audience, crowd sing alongs/participation is awsome.

[moths wings]

They've release 2 EPs and a full length without Green. Why the fuck would they re-record it?
Because they re-recorded i can tell there was an accident here.

[Klatzke]

Off topic, but, Saosin kicked some ass at warped yesterday.

[DejaNew]

Grammar fail in the title.

[Klatzke]

Grammar fail in the title.
exactly what I was just poking back in here to say. would've*

[DejaNew]

exactly what I was just poking back in here to say. would've*
Or would have, if you want to get really proper. I'm glad somebody else noticed.

[inuewiwedem]

exactly what I was just poking back in here to say. would've*

Or would have, if you want to get really proper. I'm glad somebody else noticed.

somebody mentioned it earlier in the thread

[inuewiwedem]

I think Anthony only really fits with Circa. Cove is a better fit for the modern rock Saosin now make. Anthony was great, but I really cant imagine him singing You're Not Alone...
If Anthony stayed with the band, "You're Not Alone" would never have existed.

[moths wings]

If Anthony stayed with the band, "You're Not Alone" would never have existed.
Thank the lord, I hate that song.

[aroojs]

Saosin would be very different had Anthony Green stayed. Anthony Green adds that special touch to the music he creates. I just don't feel the music when I listen to the new Saosin. It isn't unique, and if I didn't listen to Saosin from before, I wouldn't start now (after Anthony left). I'm glad though that Anthony is with Circa. Personally, I feel Circa Survive is far better lyrically and instrumentally.

[jay_klinkhammer]

They would've gotten HUGE on AP....like, enormous.

[lew_1987]

Saosin would be 100% better live. They are one of those bands that are great on record but horrible live. That kills it for me.

I hate saying that cause the guys are cool dudes but if Anthony was still in the band, they would be bigger (my guess).

If you look at all the career bands and mainstream bands, they almost all have legit sets. Some of it might be auto-tuned and rehearsed a million times, but the shows sound good. Very few bad live bands ever break into mainstream.

Anthony Green is a great front man and can hit the notes.

Have you never watched any live videos of Circa Survive? Pretty much proof that he can't sing live.

[the1]

Because they re-recorded i can tell there was an accident here.

...that's such a shitty reason. Why the hell would a band record a song 5 years old?

And, FYI, I Can Tell... was never released with Anthony, so they didn't "re-record" it. Get your shit straight.

[timtowner]

nah, while he CAN hit the notes, he's pretty lazy about it and doesnt seem willing to exert himself. though i must say, when you're a part of the audience, crowd sing alongs/participation is awsome.

I'm all about crowd participation for sure. I think you're right, he is a little lazy and doesn't command the audience in the live shows.

[moths wings]

...that's such a shitty reason. Why the hell would a band record a song 5 years old?

And, FYI, I Can Tell... was never released with Anthony, so they didn't "re-record" it. Get your shit straight.
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theres no way that isnt anthony

[moths wings]

...that's such a shitty reason. Why the hell would a band record a song 5 years old?

And, FYI, I Can Tell... was never released with Anthony, so they didn't "re-record" it. Get your shit straight.
and even if it was cove, they did RE RECORD it dumbass

new version
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You're a fucking dumbass

[lew_1987]

You're a fucking dumbass

I think he meant that they didn't release it 'officially', since it was only a demo version with Anthony on.

[moths wings]

I think he meant that they didn't release it 'officially', since it was only a demo version with Anthony on.
Then he shouldnt of said that they didnt re-record it..
I really dont find the need for him to start posting passive agressive replies when he himself didnt even know what he was talking about.

[lew_1987]

Then he shouldnt of said that they didnt re-record it..
I really dont find the need for him to start posting passive agressive replies when he himself didnt even know what he was talking about.

I don't really see the big deal... it doesn't matter that much.

[the1]

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theres no way that isnt anthony

It exists, yes. But not RELEASED. It's a bootleg. Every song has been demoed, doesn't mean all songs are "re-recorded".

[Sargent Sausage]

Anthony and saosin are a perfect match. translating the name ep is by far my fav ep of all time.

new saosin is great too. cove is awesome