Naismith Award

[justinevans]

Finalists:

JJ Redick
Adam Morrisson
Allen Ray
Rudy Gay

We all know who 1 and 2 will sadly be. Who does #3 go to?

[Scott Weber]

It's really disgusting that Brandon Roy isn't a finalist. He's been so much better than Rudy Gay this year.

[justinevans]

Gay wasn't even big east player of the year...and that guy is not in the running...randy foye.

[thejetstolehome]

It's really disgusting that Brandon Roy isn't a finalist. He's been so much better than Rudy Gay this year.

uconn is a lot more popular than UW and the big east is a lot bigger than the pac-10 basketball-wise. i, admittedly, don't know much about brandon roy aside from the fact that he was pac-10 POY. i don't care which conference it is but if you're player of the year in it, that's an accomplishment. as much as i like uconn, it'd be nice to see some players on the west coast, a la brandon roy, not named adam morrison to get more coverage here in the east.

[bigmike]

It's really disgusting that Brandon Roy isn't a finalist. He's been so much better than Rudy Gay this year.
i agree, roy is overlooked.

but number 3 is allen ray.

[Scott Weber]

uconn is a lot more popular than UW and the big east is a lot bigger than the pac-10 basketball-wise. i, admittedly, don't know much about brandon roy aside from the fact that he was pac-10 POY. i don't care which conference it is but if you're player of the year in it, that's an accomplishment. as much as i like uconn, it'd be nice to see some players on the west coast, a la brandon roy, not named adam morrison to get more coverage here in the east.
East coast media bias in college basketball. It's nothing new. Look at their game logs and such...It's funny, people are now just starting to pay attention to Roy since he's making some news in the tourney. He's easily the most complete player in college basketball, at 20ppg, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, and 3pt range...He's been such a better player than Gay this year, by a LOT. Gay's a huge talent, but his season just doesn't merit him being in this.

[thejetstolehome]

East coast media bias in college basketball. It's nothing new. Look at their game logs and such...It's funny, people are now just starting to pay attention to Roy since he's making some news in the tourney. He's easily the most complete player in college basketball, at 20ppg, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, and 3pt range...He's been such a better player than Gay this year, by a LOT. Gay's a huge talent, but his season just doesn't merit him being in this.

i hate the fact that there is an east coast bias; despite living on the east coast.

[sweethypocrisy]

JJ>Brandon Roy>A.Mo>Allen Ray>Rudy Gay

[weezer182]

It should be

1. Adam Morrison
2. JJ Redick
3. Brandon Roy

[justinevans]

there is an east coast bias because there are better teams on the east coast, meaning these teams are constantly playing better competition.

[ThriftWhore]

It's really disgusting that Brandon Roy isn't a finalist. He's been so much better than Rudy Gay this year.
Number 3 should be Brandon Roy, without a doubt. The fact he's not a finalist is sickening. But since he's not, it goes to Allen Ray. Rudy Gay doesn't really belong in the finalists.

[somethingyellow]

It should be

1. Adam Morrison
2. JJ Redick
3. Brandon Royagreed

there is an east coast bias because there are better teams on the east coast, meaning these teams are constantly playing better competition.I think it is because they have a lot more teams that people get to watch

[weezer182]

there is an east coast bias because there are better teams on the east coast, meaning these teams are constantly playing better competition.no the reason there is an east coast bias is because there are a lot more schools in the east. 3 teams in the sweet 16 are from the west. The west has good teams just not as many teams. I also think west coast basketball is more entertaining to watch.

[ThriftWhore]

I think it is because they have a lot more teams that people get to watch
Yeah, that's basically it. Plus there are bigger and more media markets on the East Coast- in every sport.

[Drew Beringer]

Fuck Rudy Gay he is overrated, soft, an will be a bust in the NBA.

[Scott Weber]

no the reason there is an east coast bias is because there are a lot more schools in the east. 3 teams in the sweet 16 are from the west. The west has good teams just not as many teams. I also think west coast basketball is more entertaining to watch.
It also doesn't help that ESPN is located in Connecticut, so all their writers have a greater exposure to the east coast teams.

[weezer182]

It also doesn't help that ESPN is located in Connecticut, so all their writers have a greater exposure to the east coast teams.exactly

[wessa]

East coast media bias in college basketball. It's nothing new. Look at their game logs and such...It's funny, people are now just starting to pay attention to Roy since he's making some news in the tourney. He's easily the most complete player in college basketball, at 20ppg, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, and 3pt range...He's been such a better player than Gay this year, by a LOT. Gay's a huge talent, but his season just doesn't merit him being in this.

first, i agree that roy should be up there, bayless should have wrote that overrated column about rudy gay, not adam morrison. Gay plays on a stacked team and still doesn't look that impressive half the time. I do think roy is good but i do not know that those stats really shout out "most complete player in college basketball". Morrison's stats are 28 ppg, 5.5 reb, and 2 assists and his 3 point range is amazing.

anyway, up until today i thought morrison should definately win. Reddick's slump at the end of the year sealed it for me. But a guy on espn brought up a good point. We have all heard about jj going against better competition, which i did not think made a huge difference. He pointed out, though, that morrison has a lot of games where he can relax. JJ always has to be on his game and is always harrassed defensively cause he is going up against great teams. If I had a vote I would probably end up going with morrison but i would definately lose sleep over the decision.

[weezer182]

first, i agree that roy should be up there, bayless should have wrote that overrated column about rudy gay, not adam morrison. Gay plays on a stacked team and still doesn't look that impressive half the time. I do think roy is good but i do not know that those stats really shout out "most complete player in college basketball". Morrison's stats are 28 ppg, 5.5 reb, and 2 assists and his 3 point range is amazing.

anyway, up until today i thought morrison should definately win. Reddick's slump at the end of the year sealed it for me. But a guy on espn brought up a good point. We have all heard about jj going against better competition, which i did not think made a huge difference. He pointed out, though, that morrison has a lot of games where he can relax. JJ always has to be on his game and is always harrassed defensively cause he is going up against great teams. If I had a vote I would probably end up going with morrison but i would definately lose sleep over the decision.You could also say Redick has another first team all-american on his team.

[Scott Weber]

first, i agree that roy should be up there, bayless should have wrote that overrated column about rudy gay, not adam morrison. Gay plays on a stacked team and still doesn't look that impressive half the time. I do think roy is good but i do not know that those stats really shout out "most complete player in college basketball". Morrison's stats are 28 ppg, 5.5 reb, and 2 assists and his 3 point range is amazing.

anyway, up until today i thought morrison should definately win. Reddick's slump at the end of the year sealed it for me. But a guy on espn brought up a good point. We have all heard about jj going against better competition, which i did not think made a huge difference. He pointed out, though, that morrison has a lot of games where he can relax. JJ always has to be on his game and is always harrassed defensively cause he is going up against great teams. If I had a vote I would probably end up going with morrison but i would definately lose sleep over the decision.
Uh, you'd be the only person in the nation that would try to argue Morrison is a more complete player than Roy.

Roy:

PPG: 20.2
RPG 5.7
APG: 4.1
SPG: 1.3
BPG: 0.8
FG%: .512
FT%: .814
3PT% .400

Morrison:

PPG: 28.2
RPG: 5.5
APG: 1.8
SPG: 1.1
BPG: 0.3
FG% .493
FT%: .772
3PT% .432

That shows that Roy is better than Morrison in every single statistical category besides obviously scoring, and while Morrison's 3PT% is great, Roy's is outstanding as well. Plus, Roy is only 6'6'' and Morrison is 6'8'', yet Roy averages more rebounds. Roy can board, he can play the point (with 4.1 assists per game he dominates Morrison) and he's got just as good of range as Morrison does. Morrison is clearly the better player this year for his ability to take over games with his scoring, but it's widely regarded that Roy is the most complete player in college basketball, and Morrison is fairly 1 dimensional. In fact, Morrison's rebounding numbers are pretty darn poor for his height.

[Scott Weber]

first, i agree that roy should be up there, bayless should have wrote that overrated column about rudy gay, not adam morrison. Gay plays on a stacked team and still doesn't look that impressive half the time. I do think roy is good but i do not know that those stats really shout out "most complete player in college basketball". Morrison's stats are 28 ppg, 5.5 reb, and 2 assists and his 3 point range is amazing.

anyway, up until today i thought morrison should definately win. Reddick's slump at the end of the year sealed it for me. But a guy on espn brought up a good point. We have all heard about jj going against better competition, which i did not think made a huge difference. He pointed out, though, that morrison has a lot of games where he can relax. JJ always has to be on his game and is always harrassed defensively cause he is going up against great teams. If I had a vote I would probably end up going with morrison but i would definately lose sleep over the decision.
first, i agree that roy should be up there, bayless should have wrote that overrated column about rudy gay, not adam morrison. Gay plays on a stacked team and still doesn't look that impressive half the time. I do think roy is good but i do not know that those stats really shout out "most complete player in college basketball". Morrison's stats are 28 ppg, 5.5 reb, and 2 assists and his 3 point range is amazing.

anyway, up until today i thought morrison should definately win. Reddick's slump at the end of the year sealed it for me. But a guy on espn brought up a good point. We have all heard about jj going against better competition, which i did not think made a huge difference. He pointed out, though, that morrison has a lot of games where he can relax. JJ always has to be on his game and is always harrassed defensively cause he is going up against great teams. If I had a vote I would probably end up going with morrison but i would definately lose sleep over the decision.
Uh, you'd be the only person in the nation that would try to argue Morrison is a more complete player than Roy.

Roy:

PPG: 20.2
RPG 5.7
APG: 4.1
SPG: 1.3
BPG: 0.8
FG%: .512
FT%: .814
3PT% .400

Morrison:

PPG: 28.2
RPG: 5.5
APG: 1.8
SPG: 1.1
BPG: 0.3
FG% .493
FT%: .772
3PT% .432

That shows that Roy is better than Morrison in every single statistical category besides obviously scoring, and while Morrison's 3PT% is great, Roy's is outstanding as well. Plus, Roy is only 6'6'' and Morrison is 6'8'', yet Roy averages more rebounds. Roy can board, he can play the point (with 4.1 assists per game he dominates Morrison) and he's got just as good of range as Morrison does. Morrison is clearly the better player this year for his ability to take over games with his scoring, but it's widely regarded that Roy is the most complete player in college basketball, and Morrison is fairly 1 dimensional. In fact, Morrison's rebounding numbers are pretty darn poor for his height.

[NameTaken69]

where the hell is randy foye? i could have sworn he was the big east player of the year

[wessa]

Uh, you'd be the only person in the nation that would try to argue Morrison is a more complete player than Roy.

Roy:

PPG: 20.2
RPG 5.7
APG: 4.1
SPG: 1.3
BPG: 0.8
FG%: .512
FT%: .814
3PT% .400

Morrison:

PPG: 28.2
RPG: 5.5
APG: 1.8
SPG: 1.1
BPG: 0.3
FG% .493
FT%: .772
3PT% .432

That shows that Roy is better than Morrison in every single statistical category besides obviously scoring, and while Morrison's 3PT% is great, Roy's is outstanding as well. Plus, Roy is only 6'6'' and Morrison is 6'8'', yet Roy averages more rebounds. Roy can board, he can play the point (with 4.1 assists per game he dominates Morrison) and he's got just as good of range as Morrison does. Morrison is clearly the better player this year for his ability to take over games with his scoring, but it's widely regarded that Roy is the most complete player in college basketball, and Morrison is fairly 1 dimensional. In fact, Morrison's rebounding numbers are pretty darn poor for his height.

i wasnt trying to make the argument, i was just saying that the stats you originally gave didnt really give a full picture because morrisons stats were better for the categories you gave for roy. Once you gave the full stat line, it painted a better picture of how good roy is.

[justinevans]

where the hell is randy foye? i could have sworn he was the big east player of the year

he was

[hockey0001]

Rudy Gay deserves to be on there. Is he overrated because of what his potential is? yes. Did he still have a great year? yes. He led what many consider to be the best team in the country in scoring and is the only player in the country averaging 15 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 1.5 steals and 1.5 blocks per game. His ppg would have been higher if UConn was not as deep and did not have as many scoring options as they do.

[ThriftWhore]

If a forum full of music fanatics can list who truely deserve to be finalists for the Naismith Award, why can't the people who nominate the finalists, who's job it is to do this, get it right? Makes you wonder.

[preppyak]

Finalists:

JJ Redick
Adam Morrisson
Allen Ray
Rudy Gay

We all know who 1 and 2 will sadly be. Who does #3 go to? Allen Ray...played up to his potential. If Rudy Gay played all out every game this season...only maybe Adam Morrison would still be in this conversation for #1...Rudy Gay is defining talent unused.

He should be the Ron Artest of college B-ball, stat wise...a freak who can hit 3's and dominate you inside as well...

If a forum full of music fanatics can list who truely deserve to be finalists for the Naismith Award, why can't the people who nominate the finalists, who's job it is to do this, get it right? Makes you wonder.
Interesting actually. I of course like to believe I am better tahn all sports writers though...so that explains it for me...especially Joe Lundardi, that asshat

[preppyak]

You could also say Redick has another first team all-american on his team.
It is a nice luxury...but, Williams is prone to his off nights, and he is dealing with freshmen at the 1 and 4 spots.

I almost start believing it should be a tie unless they meet in the tounrey and prove it otherwise, they've had legit solid years.

And I like the stats for Roy, is he a Senior, because either way he should be a decent option for a pick in the draft

[Scott Weber]

It is a nice luxury...but, Williams is prone to his off nights, and he is dealing with freshmen at the 1 and 4 spots.

I almost start believing it should be a tie unless they meet in the tounrey and prove it otherwise, they've had legit solid years.

And I like the stats for Roy, is he a Senior, because either way he should be a decent option for a pick in the draft
roy is a senior

[weezer182]

roy should be a top 5 pick

[ThriftWhore]

roy should be a top 5 pick
if i had a team in the lottery, and i had a #3-5 pick, i'd take roy to my team in a heartbeat(lets just say jj and morrison would be gone 1 & 2, another whole topic on that right there).

[Scott Weber]

roy should be a top 5 pick
he'll be a lottery pick for sure. the thing that's great about roy is that he's a killer defensive player as well.

[weezer182]

he'll be a lottery pick for sure. the thing that's great about roy is that he's a killer defensive player as well.Yea he seems to do everything well. I honestly think he will be the best player to come out of UW in a really long time.

[ThriftWhore]

Yea he seems to do everything well. I honestly think he will be the best player to come out of UW in a really long time.
I'd agree with that statement. He has the potential to be an instant impact in the NBA game. He's 6'6", pretty big for a guard and he plays well night in and out, I like him a lot.

Like I said, I'd take him pick number 3 and up if he's around in the Lottery by those picks, maybe even #2.