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[mat1419]

the last line is the most important:

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN4010953.htm

(silent fist pump)

[still_life]

ha, I'd take McMahon over Detmer.

[mat1419]

ha, I'd take McMahon over Detmer.
and that alone validates the Eagles

[still_life]

...claiming 4th place in the East

[mat1419]

...claiming 4th place in the East
dreams are fun

[ThriftWhore]

...claiming 4th place in the East
Someone claimed(I don't remember who, ESPN Personality) that the Eagles were a better team than the Cowboys right now after the T.O. trade. Even Eagle fans i've talked to have called it insanity.

It sucks to be in the NFC East Right now.

[bigmike]

Someone claimed(I don't remember who, ESPN Personality) that the Eagles were a better team than the Cowboys right now after the T.O. trade. Even Eagle fans i've talked to have called it insanity.

It sucks to be in the NFC East Right now.
i'm pretty sure skip bayless said that today. i don't know if he's the one you're thinking of, but he listed like 8 teams he said were better than the cowboys, with the eagles being one of them.

[ThriftWhore]

i'm pretty sure skip bayless said that today. i don't know if he's the one you're thinking of, but he listed like 8 teams he said were better than the cowboys, with the eagles being one of them.
Yeah, that's who it was.

I hate Skip, for a journalist and a tv personality, he really doesn't know much about anything sports related.

[still_life]

8 teams in the league better than the Cowboys, or 8 in the NFC? I could easily list 8 in the league, but not the NFC.

[ThriftWhore]

8 teams in the league better than the Cowboys, or 8 in the NFC? I could easily list 8 in the league, but not the NFC.
It wasn't as many as 8, it was more around six- all in the NFC. He said the Redskins, Giants, Eagles, Panthers, Bucs, Seahawks were better(i'm pretty sure).

[Dirty Ernie]

people can get as hyped as they want about the cowboys but drew bledsoe is my retort

[still_life]

It wasn't as many as 8, it was more around six- all in the NFC. He said the Redskins, Giants, Eagles, Panthers, Bucs, Seahawks were better(i'm pretty sure).

I don't know about that. Cowboys were a good FG kicker away from being 12-4 last year. TO really does make them a lot better on offense.

[ThriftWhore]

people can get as hyped as they want about the cowboys but drew bledsoe is my retort
I felt that way too, but last year he was capable with a good offensive line infront of him. As long as he can wing it downfield, they'll be fine. Plus they have two good running backs in Julius Jones and Marion Barber III.

[ThriftWhore]

I don't know about that. Cowboys were a good FG kicker away from being 12-4 last year. TO really does make them a lot better on offense.
I totally agree, I think Bayless is a tool. At the very least they are better than the Eagles on that list. Hard to say about the others, because they are all good playoff teams from last year, and probably will be again. Cowboys are much better on offense now, because it frees up Terry Glenn from double-teams, and will give more opportunities to Jason Witten and Patrick Crayton.

[bigmike]

I don't know about that. Cowboys were a good FG kicker away from being 12-4 last year. TO really does make them a lot better on offense.
yeah, but doesn't dallas run a fairly conservative offense? i don't watch many dallas games, or i try not to, anyways.

[still_life]

yeah, but doesn't dallas run a fairly conservative offense? i don't watch many dallas games, or i try not to, anyways.

They like throwing deep and play action. It will be much different for TO than Philly/SF

[ThriftWhore]

T.O. is an over the middle WR, and thats not really their style. Terry Glenn fits in well, and I think T.O. won't have a problem going on fly routes either. Hopefully if Jones stays healthy they'll be able to run their power offense and get play action respect.

[bigmike]

They like throwing deep and play action. It will be much different for TO than Philly/SF
well if anything, he should help make opponents respect the pass a bit to allow the running game to flourish.

[mat1419]

while i appriciate the Dallas with TO discourse, I'd like to remind everybody that this is a celebration of one more year of Koy Detmer, and all other issues must be moved.

Regards,

Management

[Dirty Ernie]

neck beards 4 life

[bigmike]

while i appriciate the Dallas with TO discourse, I'd like to remind everybody that this is a celebration of one more year of Koy Detmer, and all other issues must be moved.

Regards,

Management
i like mcmahon more than detmer. but i think ty detmer kind of ruined by appreciation for the detmer family.

[Erick Fate]

T.O. is an over the middle WR, and thats not really their style. Terry Glenn fits in well, and I think T.O. won't have a problem going on fly routes either. Hopefully if Jones stays healthy they'll be able to run their power offense and get play action respect.

Two doesn't go over the middle .... Two likes to out run people ... His speed is what makes him .... He is good but he is cancer ... Also he can't rap for shit ... Stick to football ......

[mat1419]

i like mcmahon more than detmer. but i think ty detmer kind of ruined by appreciation for the detmer family.
you need to completely seperate Ty from Koy. It's like Cain and Able...and trust me, Koy is able

[bigmike]

you need to completely seperate Ty from Koy. It's like Cain and Able...and trust me, Koy is able
i know i should. but ty's ruined the detmers forever, here.

[still_life]

Ty Detmer tore shit up at BYU, but the Detmer brothers aren't capable NFL QB's.

[bigmike]

Ty Detmer tore shit up at BYU, but the Detmer brothers aren't capable NFL QB's.
yeah. we weren't talking about their college careers.

[lanolynn]

the eagles only made the super bowl because there was absolutely no talent in the nfc, and there just as bad as all the other mediocre nfc teams now, and will be lucky to finish over 500

[Dirty Ernie]

the eagles only made the super bowl because there was absolutely no talent in the nfc, and there just as bad as all the other mediocre nfc teams now, and will be lucky to finish over 500

let me guess, a cowboys fan?

[mat1419]

let me guess, a cowboys fan?
or just idiot

[mat1419]

Ty Detmer tore shit up at BYU, but the Detmer brothers aren't capable NFL QB's.
koy detmer is like slash times 3...he can throw, he can coach, and he's an all madden holder.

[lanolynn]

let me guess, a cowboys fan?
no titans, and name one team from the nfc that was have way decent the year the eagles won

[Dirty Ernie]

no titans, and name one team from the nfc that was have way decent the year the eagles won

i wasn't arguing the weak NFC that year because it was pretty bad considering the rest of the NFC east was 6-10 but they did what good teams do, beat the shit out of teams they are supposed to, they crushed atlanta in the NFC championship game after the falcons smoked the rams by 30 the week before

i'm saying there is no way the eagles are .500 or less this year, we really don't need to get into the injuries they dealt with last year...if you follow football, you know what they went through

[mat1419]

no titans, and name one team from the nfc that was have way decent the year the eagles won
the eagles...and it's half way decent

[lanolynn]

i wasn't arguing the weak NFC that year because it was pretty bad considering the rest of the NFC east was 6-10 but they did what good teams do, beat the shit out of teams they are supposed to, they crushed atlanta in the NFC championship game after the falcons smoked the rams by 30 the week before

i'm saying there is no way the eagles are .500 or less this year, we really don't need to get into the injuries they dealt with last year...if you follow football, you know what they went through
i know about the injuries but you have to admit the nfc east and the nfc in general is going to be much stronger than it was two years ago. i also think they just won't be able to rebround as quickly from the drama and injuries in the now stronger confrence. i think their probably 7-9 and at the bottom of the nfc east.

[still_life]

let me guess, a cowboys fan?

He's right though. Eagles only went to the SB because there wasn't any team good enough to win the NFCC that year. They might have had an easier road to the SB than Seattle did this last season. An 8-8 Vikings team and Atlanta is one of the worst #2 seeds ever. They didn't even score more points than they allowed. Meanwhile the Eagles struggled like hell when they played the quality (AFC) teams in 04.

[char]

2004-05 Playoffs:

The Patriots beat the Colts by 17 points.

They beat the Steelers by 14 points.

They beat the Eagles by 3.

I believe that, despite their poor showing against Pittsburgh during the regular season, the Eagles proved in the Super Bowl that they were the 2nd best team in the league in 2004.

[still_life]

2004-05 Playoffs:

The Patriots beat the Colts by 17 points.

They beat the Steelers by 14 points.

They beat the Eagles by 3.

I believe that, despite their poor showing against Pittsburgh during the regular season, the Eagles proved in the Super Bowl that they were the 2nd best team in the league in 2004.

4th best

[char]

4th best

Explain. You could make a case for Pittsburgh, since they did kill the Eagles in the regular season, but the Eagles looked much better in the playoffs than the Steelers did.

[Dirty Ernie]

i know about the injuries but you have to admit the nfc east and the nfc in general is going to be much stronger than it was two years ago. i also think they just won't be able to rebround as quickly from the drama and injuries in the now stronger confrence. i think their probably 7-9 and at the bottom of the nfc east.

there is no doubt the nfc east will be tough as hell, i just think donovan mcnabb has a lot to prove and if he was ever going to be the mvp of the league, this would be the year

[still_life]

Explain. You could make a case for Pittsburgh, since they did kill the Eagles in the regular season, but the Eagles looked much better in the playoffs than the Steelers did.

Patriots
Steelers
Colts
Eagles

The Steelers had a rookie QB in the playoffs, when do they ever bring success in January? They were still clearly the better team, going 16-2, winning so many consecutive games, dominating the Eagles in every area of the game head to head.

I say the Colts were better on the basis of who I think would have won head to head, plus factor in their harder schedule. Philly didn't have any challengers in their division, while the Jaguars were on the bubble of being a playoff team. They didn't play NE or San Diego or Denver in the regular season like Indy did. Each team lost a meaningless game in week 17 too.

[lanolynn]

there is no doubt the nfc east will be tough as hell, i just think donovan mcnabb has a lot to prove and if he was ever going to be the mvp of the league, this would be the year
if he can win the nfc east with todd pinkston and greg lewis as his recievers, and no running game to speak of, he should automatically make the hall of fame

[Dirty Ernie]

if he can win the nfc east with todd pinkston and greg lewis as his recievers, and no running game to speak of, he should automatically make the hall of fame

reggie brown, jabar gaffney, and LJ smith are all better receivers then those two, and they made it to 3 NFC championships with james thrash...the offseason isn't over yet either, i guarantee they add another running back to compliment westbrook through the draft or cuts

[char]

The Steelers had a rookie QB in the playoffs, when do they ever bring success in January? They were still clearly the better team, going 16-2, winning so many consecutive games, dominating the Eagles in every area of the game head to head.

You're proving my point. The regular season does not, in my opinion, decide who are the top teams. If the Eagles played the Steelers in a winner-take-all playoff game, the Eagles would have probably taken it, looking at the struggles that Pitt and Roethlisberger were having. The Eagles played the Patriots tough for 59 minutes, whereas the Steelers were out of their head-to-head matchup with the Pats by halftime. The fact that Pittsburgh played the harder schedule and had a long winning streak is irrelevant; the Eagles played better when it mattered most; therefore they were the better team. You could argue that Pittsburgh was more talented, and had the potential to be better (which is most certainly true), but the fact is that when it came time for the 2004 Steelers to prove they were the best, they flopped. The Eagles put in a much better playoff showing.


I think the reason why we're disagreeing is because I'm using the post-season as my benchmark, when your using the regular season. For me, you could have the greatest regular season, go 16-0, but if you lose in the first round of the playoffs in a blowout, you obviously weren't even close to being the best. The most important part of a great modern NFL team is how they perform in the playoffs.

[still_life]

You're proving my point. The regular season does not, in my opinion, decide who are the top teams. If the Eagles played the Steelers in a winner-take-all playoff game, the Eagles would have probably taken it, looking at the struggles that Pitt and Roethlisberger were having. The Eagles played the Patriots tough for 59 minutes, whereas the Steelers were out of their head-to-head matchup with the Pats by halftime. The fact that Pittsburgh played the harder schedule and had a long winning streak is irrelevant; the Eagles played better when it mattered most; therefore they were the better team. You could argue that Pittsburgh was more talented, and had the potential to be better (which is most certainly true), but the fact is that when it came time for the 2004 Steelers to prove they were the best, they flopped. The Eagles put in a much better playoff showing.


I think the reason why we're disagreeing is because I'm using the post-season as my benchmark, when your using the regular season. For me, you could have the greatest regular season, go 16-0, but if you lose in the first round of the playoffs in a blowout, you obviously weren't even close to being the best. The most important part of a great modern NFL team is how they perform in the playoffs.

I don't know about that, Eagles haven't beat an AFC playoff team since 1997. If the Steelers got to see them again that year, I'd like their chances again.

The Eagles played total scrubs to get to the SB. I don't know how else to put it. An 8-8 team and a team that scored less points than they allowed (with a terribly overrated QB that can't throw and read defenses) is far from impressive. If they had to go through the AFC schedule, I doubt they'd beat San Diego or the Jets.

[char]

But they played well against NE, and Pittsburgh played terribly against NE.

That's what I'm arguing. They came closer than anyone to beating the Patriots.

[still_life]

But they played well against NE, and Pittsburgh played terribly against NE.

That's what I'm arguing.

The Steelers also dominated NE that season unlike any other team did. What's your point?

[FondestMemory]

But they played well against NE, and Pittsburgh played terribly against NE.

That's what I'm arguing. They came closer than anyone to beating the Patriots.

not every team matches up against other teams the same way.

using like competition doesn't really help an argument much, imo. just doesn't prove anything.

[char]

I don't know how much clearer I can put this.

The regular season matchup does not matter. Look at Colts-Steelers this year. Colts beat Pittsburgh handily in the regular season, but could not put them away in the playoffs. Pittsburgh, therefore, is the better team because they won in the more important game.

I don't care that Pittsburgh defeated NE in the regular season. I only care that they lost in the postseason to them by 14 points, in a game they were out of by halftime. The Eagles, in the same situation against the Patriots, stayed in the game until 9 seconds were left.

Do you disagree that the Eagles Super Bowl performance was the most impressive showing against the Patriots during those playoffs?

[char]

not every team matches up against other teams the same way.

using like competition doesn't really help an argument much, imo. just doesn't prove anything.

True. But since still life claims that the NFC was a joke, it's the only comparison I can make to prove that the Eagles were the second best team in the playoff period.

[FondestMemory]

True. But since still life claims that the NFC was a joke, it's the only comparison I can make to prove that the Eagles were the second best team in the playoff period.

they were the best team in the nfc in the playoffs. isn't that good enough? you can prove that.

i still think the colts or the steelers would have beat the eagles just like the pats did. just like this year, i think anybody coming out of the afc would have beat the seahawks. not a knock against the hawks or eagles, it's just that the afc is stacked.

[char]

they were the best team in the nfc in the playoffs. isn't that good enough? you can prove that.

i still think the colts or the steelers would have beat the eagles just like the pats did. just like this year, i think anybody coming out of the afc would have beat the seahawks. not a knock against the hawks or eagles, it's just that the afc is stacked.

The Colts would have beaten the Seahawks. Anyone else in the AFC? Possibly Denver. Not NE or the Jags, in my opinion. The only wild card would have been the Bengals, because no one knows how they would have done if Palmer wouldn't have been injured.

And I'm trying to show that the Eagles had the second most impressive playoff run of 2004. Since the playoffs choose the champion (the best team), I believe its fair to say that they were the 2nd best team. It's obvious that the Steelers experienced a huge dropoff during the playoffs. As still life stated, they blew away the Patriots in the regular season only to get beaten badly by them in the postseason. They were not the same team in the postseason that they were in the regular season.

[selftitled85]

jesus christ the nfc east is a death trap for defenses.

[Erick Fate]

I don't know about that, Eagles haven't beat an AFC playoff team since 1997. If the Steelers got to see them again that year, I'd like their chances again.

The Eagles played total scrubs to get to the SB. I don't know how else to put it. An 8-8 team and a team that scored less points than they allowed (with a terribly overrated QB that can't throw and read defenses) is far from impressive. If they had to go through the AFC schedule, I doubt they'd beat San Diego or the Jets.

Where did you get that idea about not beating a AFC playoff team since 1997? Do you people just make things up and hope they are right? Did they not beat Denver in Mile High last year .... Was that not a play off team .... I dont even fill like looking back but I mean in the worse season since Andy's 1st they still beat teams ......

[still_life]

I don't know how much clearer I can put this.

The regular season matchup does not matter. Look at Colts-Steelers this year. Colts beat Pittsburgh handily in the regular season, but could not put them away in the playoffs. Pittsburgh, therefore, is the better team because they won in the more important game.

I don't care that Pittsburgh defeated NE in the regular season. I only care that they lost in the postseason to them by 14 points, in a game they were out of by halftime. The Eagles, in the same situation against the Patriots, stayed in the game until 9 seconds were left.

Do you disagree that the Eagles Super Bowl performance was the most impressive showing against the Patriots during those playoffs?

There's more to a season than the playoffs. You can't just judge a team's season on one or two games.

The Eagles did not have an impressive playoff run, given they lost to the only good team they played. The Eagles 4th quarter performance in the SB had a garbage time feeling to me. Once McChoke threw that pick to Vrabel, I knew NE was going to win. The TD and onside kick were just going through the motions of a loss.

Where did you get that idea about not beating a AFC playoff team since 1997? Do you people just make things up and hope they are right? Did they not beat Denver in Mile High last year .... Was that not a play off team .... I dont even fill like looking back but I mean in the worse season since Andy's 1st they still beat teams ......

You mean that game where Denver put up 49 points? What the hell are you talking about? Eagles got beat badly by Denver last year.

[lanolynn]

the eagles and mcnabb are overated, and as the talent in the nfc continues t.o. improve that will be obvious

[mat1419]

i must insist again that this thread be used only to proclaim glory and priase upon Koy's return.

also, arguning with still_life is a waste of time, he's an idiot.