Skip Bayless is a cock

[sweethypocrisy]

but i agree with this article: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/060320

[weezer182]

I totally disagree with the article. He will be a good pro.

[somethingyellow]

Not surprising you agree, since you seem to really dislike Gonzaga. Morrison is the best player in college basketball and fully expect him to be a very good pro

[wessa]

usually i like bayless because he goes against popular opinion and is usually right, i do not agree with this article though

[weezer182]

but i agree with this article: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/060320I want to know the reasons why you think he is overrated?

[bigmike]

i don't think he's overrated as college player. but skip bayless makes very good points about his pro status. i agree with him.

[ThriftWhore]

i don't think he's overrated as college player. but skip bayless makes very good points about his pro status. i agree with him.
for the first time, i'll agree with skip about anything, and this happens to be Morrison's pro status. I saw him talking on 1st and 10 talking about Morrison, I don't think he's overrated in college, but this article I agree with for the most part.

[weezer182]

i don't think he's overrated as college player. but skip bayless makes very good points about his pro status. i agree with him.I didnt really see any good points he made. Most of the time he was comparing him to bird and lets face it there will never be another player like bird. He said something about how morrison wont be able to get shots off. He has been doing it the whole year though. If anything thats a strength I see in him. I also found it funny when he said Redick was a much better shooter then Morrison but if you look at the stats from this year the only thing better that Redick does, shooting wise, is his free throw percentage.

[still_life]

Seriously, ESPN and CBS are dying to hype this guy up because he has such a marketable look (and a fucking stupid one, IMO). If Adam Morrison was a black kid from the suburbs with a fade and 5 tattoos on his arm he would get hardly any coverage.

[weezer182]

Seriously, ESPN and CBS are dying to hype this guy up because he has such a marketable look (and a fucking stupid one, IMO). If Adam Morrison was a black kid from the suburbs with a fade and 5 tattoos on his arm he would get hardly any coverage.Or maybe its because he is the number one scorer in the nation from a top 25 team.....shouldn't you be banned?

[bigmike]

I didnt really see any good points he made. Most of the time he was comparing him to bird and lets face it there will never be another player like bird. He said something about how morrison wont be able to get shots off. He has been doing it the whole year though. If anything thats a strength I see in him. I also found it funny when he said Redick was a much better shooter then Morrison but if you look at the stats from this year the only thing better that Redick does, shooting wise, is his free throw percentage.
he'll be a pretty good pro. he won't be worthy of a top 5 pick when his career is over, however.
and he compared his game to birds because every analyst is on his nuts about how he is the next bird, which, i agree, is ridiculous.

[SePaMc]

Seriously, ESPN and CBS are dying to hype this guy up because he has such a marketable look (and a fucking stupid one, IMO). If Adam Morrison was a black kid from the suburbs with a fade and 5 tattoos on his arm he would get hardly any coverage.

wHAT!? he looks like a 70s porn star...a bad one. Sure, he's white, but Reddick has a far more marketable look.

Lebron got hyped so much by espn...he was black. It's not hype if its skill that can be followed up.

[bigmike]

speaking of morrison, does anyone think that he'll return for his senior year? I personally don't think he will, or should.

[weezer182]

speaking of morrison, does anyone think that he'll return for his senior year? I personally don't think he will, or should.I heard him talking about it. He said he is going to talk to over with his family because he wants to make a choice that will be best for the family. I personally would like to see him play one more year at Gonzaga

[somethingyellow]

speaking of morrison, does anyone think that he'll return for his senior year? I personally don't think he will, or should.Dont think he will but as I hope he does

[bigmike]

I heard him talking about it. He said he is going to talk to over with his family because he wants to make a choice that will be best for the family. I personally would like to see him play one more year at Gonzaga
to me that quote means "Goodbye College, hello mansions."

[preppyak]

these were Skip's good points:

"Poor Adam. He'll never be able to live up to this buildup. He'll have a hard enough time becoming the Next Peja, let alone the Next Bird."

"The reason Gonzaga had a fairly easy time (90-80) with a fairly average Indiana was that, while Morrison had a rough time getting clean shots and went 5-of-17 (0-of-3 3s), three of his teammates took the game over. It wasn't that Morrison routinely drew double-teams and fed them for open shots. He had one assist. It was that J.P. Batista, Sean Mallon and Erroll Knight looked like underrated college talents who now give Gonzaga a decent shot against UCLA"

Aside from that, I think he used one example of a great defender making a great player struggle (the Memphis game). It was the quality defender (few and far between in the NBA), not the height that hurt him. Caner-Medley/Ibekwe guarded him in the Maryland game (both 6'9"ish), he just put up 25 and 9. In the MSU game, Trannon and Gray split time on him I believe (6'6" and 6'8") and we all know what he did in that game.

A great defender can make a great player struggle, and vice versa. It's not just height that stop's Morrison, as team's found out early in the season.

Will he make a far better pro than Florida's 6-11 Joakim Noah? LSU's 6-9, 310-pound Glen "Big Baby" Davis? UConn's Rudy Gay, Josh Boone or Marcus Williams? Villanova's Allan Ray or Randy Foye? Texas' LaMarcus Aldridge or P.J. Tucker? Duke's Shelden Williams?Washington's Roy?
Those are the ones I said Yes to...and I was on the line about Tucker, because Tucker can be an arrogant prick who underplays

Don't believe me taht Shawne Williams is a great defender, watch him pick apart Bradley (he'll probably be on Sommerville, their leading scorer who put up 20+ on KU and 18 on Pitt)

[Scott Weber]

I agreed with a lot of this article. I think his comparison of Adam to Keith Van Horn or Wally Sczerbiak at the pro level were pretty good comparisons. He'll be a good pro, but he won't be Larry Bird. And his rebounding numbers really aren't that good.

[somethingyellow]

I agreed with a lot of this article. I think his comparison of Adam to Keith Van Horn or Wally Sczerbiak at the pro level were pretty good comparisons. He'll be a good pro, but he won't be Larry Bird. And his rebounding numbers really aren't that good.He wont be the next bird, but I think he will be better than Van Horn and Sczerbiak

[Scott Weber]

He wont be the next bird, but I think he will be better than Van Horn and Sczerbiak
Sczerbiak had arguably a better college career than Morrison at the mid-major level. I think/hope he will be better than them, but I still think it's a great comparison in thinking he'll be closer to them than he will be Bird.

[somethingyellow]

Sczerbiak had arguably a better college career than Morrison at the mid-major level. I think/hope he will be better than them, but I still think it's a great comparison in thinking he'll be closer to them than he will be Bird.I dont think he had a better college career. Morrison is a player of the year contender who has a great chance at winning it. In most likely hood he will be closer to Sczerbiak than Bird but still think he will be a better pro. I can see where you are coming from though

[Johnny_G]

Good read. Morrison's certaintly a dynamite college player, but I agree hes nothing more than a solid role player in the pros. I think the majority arguing against the article are missing the main point. He'll be a good pro, but if he's a top 5 pick, he'll be a disappointment by those standards. Think Mike Dunleavy. Morrison is definately not a player you want to build an NBA team around.

[somethingyellow]

Good read. Morrison's certaintly a dynamite college player, but I agree hes nothing more than a solid role player in the pros. I think the majority arguing against the article are missing the main point. He'll be a good pro, but if he's a top 5 pick, he'll be a disappointment by those standards. Think Mike Dunleavy. Morrison is definately not a player you want to build an NBA team around.The same would have been said about Steve Nash, so we will see

[weezer182]

Sczerbiak had arguably a better college career than Morrison at the mid-major level. I think/hope he will be better than them, but I still think it's a great comparison in thinking he'll be closer to them than he will be Bird.I dont know if Wally had better stats. Even if he did in some areas Wally never dominated a basketball game like Morrison does now. If anything Morrison is one of the best shooters to come out of this draft, if he decides to go pro. I think its funny though that people have to compare him to white players.

[somethingyellow]

Good read. Morrison's certaintly a dynamite college player, but I agree hes nothing more than a solid role player in the pros. I think the majority arguing against the article are missing the main point. He'll be a good pro, but if he's a top 5 pick, he'll be a disappointment by those standards. Think Mike Dunleavy. Morrison is definately not a player you want to build an NBA team around.The same would have been said about Steve Nash, though they play two different positions but Morrison has the ability on offense to be a great pro. The defense is what he needs to work on, so we will see

[Johnny_G]

The same would have been said about Steve Nash, so we will see

Nash is a PG and Morrison a 3... pretty big difference if you ask me.

[Caleb Cattivera]

I agreed with a lot of this article. I think his comparison of Adam to Keith Van Horn or Wally Sczerbiak at the pro level were pretty good comparisons. He'll be a good pro, but he won't be Larry Bird. And his rebounding numbers really aren't that good.

exactly what i was going to post.

the larry bird comparisons need to stop. i doo see him as more of a wally type player. van horn is a much better rebounder than both of them.

[somethingyellow]

Nash is a PG and Morrison a 3... pretty big difference if you ask me.That wasn't the point. The point is that nobody expected Nash to be great in the NBA. Morrison has the talent to become great so I wouldn't just ride him off. The Larry Bird comparisons are what people only want to look at and will most likely be how they judge him as a pro, which is pretty unfair.

[Caleb Cattivera]

I dont know if Wally had better stats. Even if he did in some areas Wally never dominated a basketball game like Morrison does now. If anything Morrison is one of the best shooters to come out of this draft, if he decides to go pro. I think its funny though that people have to compare him to white players.

wally was a great college player. played four years at miami of ohio. in his final two years he put up great numbers.

junior - 24 ppg, 8 rpg, 3 apg, 53% from the field, 49% from three and 81% from free throw.

senior - 24 ppg, 9 rpg, 3 apg, 52% from the field, 36% from three and 83% free throw.

wally was a better shooter in college, and i definatley see morrison being a very similar type of player.

and to someone who said why must he be compared to white guys...

do you ever see a black guy compared to a white guy?

[Caleb Cattivera]

That wasn't the point. The point is that nobody expected Nash to be great in the NBA. Morrison has the talent to become great so I wouldn't just ride him off. The Larry Bird comparisons are what people only want to look at and will most likely be how they judge him as a pro, which is pretty unfair.

very rarely are there players who are expected to be 'great'. there's been a handful of them.

[Scott Weber]

I dont know if Wally had better stats. Even if he did in some areas Wally never dominated a basketball game like Morrison does now. If anything Morrison is one of the best shooters to come out of this draft, if he decides to go pro. I think its funny though that people have to compare him to white players.
Wally was a far better rebounder and passer, while averaging 24 a game. I just think Morrison's poor rebounding numbers are going to hurt him in the NBA. Morrison's got plenty of time to evolve, so we'll see.

[weezer182]

wally was a great college player. played four years at miami of ohio. in his final two years he put up great numbers.

junior - 24 ppg, 8 rpg, 3 apg, 53% from the field, 49% from three and 81% from free throw.

senior - 24 ppg, 9 rpg, 3 apg, 52% from the field, 36% from three and 83% free throw.

wally was a better shooter in college, and i definatley see morrison being a very similar type of player.

and to someone who said why must he be compared to white guys...

do you ever see a black guy compared to a white guy?Yea Wally did put up good numbers. The difference I see in the two though is the way Morrison takes over games. Adam also doesn't rely on the outside shot as much. As far as being an offensive scorer, I think Morrison has a better all-around game and is tougher to guard then Wally was. The whole being compared to people only in your own race is pretty stupid. I'm not a big fan of people comparing players to other players but I know it will continue to happen.

[Scott Weber]

I dont know if Wally had better stats. Even if he did in some areas Wally never dominated a basketball game like Morrison does now. If anything Morrison is one of the best shooters to come out of this draft, if he decides to go pro. I think its funny though that people have to compare him to white players.
And for the record, http://www.basketball-reference.com/ is your friend...

[Scott Weber]

Yea Wally did put up good numbers. The difference I see in the two though is the way Morrison takes over games. Adam also doesn't rely on the outside shot as much. As far as being an offensive player, I think Morrison has a better all-around game and is tougher to guard then Wally was. The whole being compared to people only in your own race is pretty stupid. I'm not a big fan of people comparing players to other players but I know it will continue to happen.
I feel like your argument doesn't hold any weight, can you ever really remember watching Wally play? I don't find Morrison to be especially well-rounded, he can just get his shot off whenever he wants. He's still somewhat slow and unathletic...good thing that's part of the reason i love him

[weezer182]

I feel like your argument doesn't hold any weight, can you ever really remember watching Wally play? I don't find Morrison to be especially well-rounded, he can just get his shot off whenever he wants. He's still somewhat slow and unathletic...good thing that's part of the reason i love himI did watch Wally play a bit. I never said though that Morrison was a great all-around player. He is a great scorer and has the ability to take over games. I don't really buy the whole he is unathletic thing too. You can't put up the numbers he does by being unathletic. It's not like he sits on the post all day. He might not be as athletic as some players but he definitely isn't unathletic.

[Scott Weber]

I did watch Wally play a bit. I never said though that Morrison was a great all-around player. He is a great scorer and has the ability to take over games. I don't really buy the whole he is unathletic thing too. You can't put up the numbers he does by being unathletic. It's not like he sits on the post all day. He might not be as athletic as some players but he definitely isn't unathletic.
From NBADraft.net: Weaknesses: Not especially gifted athletically ... Lacks great foot speed getting out into transition ... Runs decent, but needs a head of steam ...Better hand speed than foot speed ... Leaping ability is average ... Plays hard on defense but lacks great lateral quickness ... Lack of a great first step will make it harder to get shots off against superior athletes ...

From ESPN.com Scouting Report: Poor rebounder ... A non shot-blocker ... Lanky, needs to add strength ... Defense also needs improvement ...

[Caleb Cattivera]

Yea Wally did put up good numbers. The difference I see in the two though is the way Morrison takes over games. Adam also doesn't rely on the outside shot as much. As far as being an offensive player, I think Morrison has a better all-around game and is tougher to guard then Wally was. The whole being compared to people only in your own race is pretty stupid. I'm not a big fan of people comparing players to other players but I know it will continue to happen.

lets rewind to the 1999 tourney, first round game miami, oh is a ten seed facing washington who was a 7 seed. the game goes to OT with a final of 59 to 58 miami wins. wally had 43 points, 18 for 33 from the field, 5 for 12 from three, 12 rebounds and a block as time expired in OT to get the win.

second round against the second seed utah. wally has 24 points, 6 for 11 from the field, 2 for 5 from three, and 10 for 10 from the line. he also finsihed with 7 rebounds and five assists in another upset, when miami defeated utah 66 to 58.

miami's streak was stopped by kentucky, but wally still showed up, and was the only person on his team with more than 9 points. he finished with 23 points, and 6 boards on 8 for 16 shooting from the field and 4 for 10 from three.

just an example of how good wally was in college.

[weezer182]

From NBADraft.net: Weaknesses: Not especially gifted athletically ... Lacks great foot speed getting out into transition ... Runs decent, but needs a head of steam ...Better hand speed than foot speed ... Leaping ability is average ... Plays hard on defense but lacks great lateral quickness ... Lack of a great first step will make it harder to get shots off against superior athletes ...

From ESPN.com Scouting Report: Poor rebounder ... A non shot-blocker ... Lanky, needs to add strength ... Defense also needs improvement ...Like I said before he may not be as athletic as some players but he definitely isn't unathletic. How does he create shots for himself so well? Don't say its because he is 6'8 either. Yes it helps but if you put a 6-6 athletic defender on a 6-8 unathletic player, it would be very hard for him. He pretty much can score anyway he wants. I just can't see how an unathletic guy can score 28 a game without playing on the post.

[weezer182]

lets rewind to the 1999 tourney, first round game miami, oh is a ten seed facing washington who was a 7 seed. the game goes to OT with a final of 59 to 58 miami wins. wally had 43 points, 18 for 33 from the field, 5 for 12 from three, 12 rebounds and a block as time expired in OT to get the win.

second round against the second seed utah. wally has 24 points, 6 for 11 from the field, 2 for 5 from three, and 10 for 10 from the line. he also finsihed with 7 rebounds and five assists in another upset, when miami defeated utah 66 to 58.

miami's streak was stopped by kentucky, but wally still showed up, and was the only person on his team with more than 9 points. he finished with 23 points, and 6 boards on 8 for 16 shooting from the field and 4 for 10 from three.

just an example of how good wally was in college.I never once said that Wally wasn't good in college. He was a great college player, I just think Morrison is better.

[Caleb Cattivera]

I never once said that Wally wasn't good in college. He was a great college player, I just think Morrison is better.

you said you didnt think he could take over a game like morrison. wally was obviously able to do that.

[weezer182]

you said you didnt think he could take over a game like morrison. wally was obviously able to do that.I just think Morrison does it more often. Then again I have spent more time watching Morrison then Wally and I'm sure most of the people in here did the same. Another point to bring up is Morrison is only a junior. His college career could get better if he decides to stay.

[still_life]

wHAT!? he looks like a 70s porn star...a bad one. Sure, he's white, but Reddick has a far more marketable look.

Lebron got hyped so much by espn...he was black. It's not hype if its skill that can be followed up.

LeBron was also the first pick in the draft straight out of high school. Of course he's going to draw attention. But Morrison was irrelevant until this season, and now the hype is so huge because he's "interesting" for the media.

[Scott Weber]

I just think Morrison does it more often. Then again I have spent more time watching Morrison then Wally and I'm sure most of the people in here did the same. Another point to bring up is Morrison is only a junior. His college career could get better if he decides to stay.
He won't.

[Caleb Cattivera]

LeBron was also the first pick in the draft straight out of high school. Of course he's going to draw attention. But Morrison was irrelevant until this season, and now the hype is so huge because he's "interesting" for the media.

you obviously dont watch college basketball. morrison has been a great player all season long.

[weezer182]

LeBron was also the first pick in the draft straight out of high school. Of course he's going to draw attention. But Morrison was irrelevant until this season, and now the hype is so huge because he's "interesting" for the media.Morrison is the leading scorer in the nation from a top 25 team who is also up for player of the year. Of course he is going to draw attention.

[weezer182]

He won't.Yea I would be really surprised if he stayed

[somethingyellow]

LeBron was also the first pick in the draft straight out of high school. Of course he's going to draw attention. But Morrison was irrelevant until this season, and now the hype is so huge because he's "interesting" for the media.He actually had a really good year last year, it is just that the media didnt cover it. Averaging 19 points a game as a sophmore. I love how he wasn't even a top 100 recruit coming out of High School

[Scott Weber]

Morrison is the leading scorer in the nation from a top 25 team who is also up for player of the year. Of course he is going to draw attention.
That and the fact that he's white. It really does have something to do with it.

[still_life]

you obviously dont watch college basketball. morrison has been a great player all season long.

I don't know why you replied with this to that post.

[bigmike]

this talk about wally, and for some reason, this popped in my head. anyone remember scoonie penn? Played with Michael Redd in college? he's my second favorite college player behind mateen cleaves. (#1 for goofy names to go by.)

[Caleb Cattivera]

I don't know why you replied with this to that post.

i dont know why you post in basketball related topics.

[somethingyellow]

i dont know why you post in basketball related topics.haha Tate was suppose to ban him for Gonzaga making it to the sweet 16

[still_life]

i dont know why you post in basketball related topics.

Because the discussions in them are really inferior to the other sports on here.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Because the discussions in them are really inferior to the other sports on here.

how so.

[Badgers08]

ahh yes... i posted this in the ncaa basketball forum yesterday night too. glad some people agree with him besides me!

[Jason Tate]

Seriously, ESPN and CBS are dying to hype this guy up because he has such a marketable look (and a fucking stupid one, IMO). If Adam Morrison was a black kid from the suburbs with a fade and 5 tattoos on his arm he would get hardly any coverage.
You're not allowed to talk about College Basketball .. stop.

[Brownpants06]

Hah. I hope Toronto takes somebody like JJ Redick mid-round, that would be cool. But I know it wont happen. (Even though I think T dot's draft pick is somewhere midrange)

[sweethypocrisy]

i don't think he's overrated as college player. but skip bayless makes very good points about his pro status. i agree with him.
this is what i meant. hes a great college player, but not the best.

[somethingyellow]

this is what i meant. hes a great college player, but not the best.who do you think is a better college basketball player, just curious
edit: nevermind I found out that you think roy and jj are better

[Scott Weber]

roy has a more complete game but I wouldn't call him a better college player, simply because of how dangerous Morrison is offensively

[somethingyellow]

roy has a more complete game but I wouldn't call him a better college player, simply because of how dangerous Morrison is offensivelyAgreed

[Scott Weber]

i love how people are actually noticing Roy now, and that it took beating Illinois for people to really pay attention. he's such a great player and he should be a top 5 pick, he's going to be a really solid NBA player.

[somethingyellow]

i love how people are actually noticing Roy now, and that it took beating Illinois for people to really pay attention. he's such a great player and he should be a top 5 pick, he's going to be a really solid NBA player.If UW wins on friday im heading down early to seattle early on sunday to watch the game with you then go to the concert ;) hahaha

[Scott Weber]

If UW wins on friday im heading down early to seattle early on sunday to watch the game with you then go to the concert ;) hahaha
is it a day game on sunday? I was worried it was going to be a night game and i'd miss it because of the show.

[somethingyellow]

is it a day game on sunday? I was worried it was going to be a night game and i'd miss it because of the show.I'm pretty sure all the sunday games are on earlier. The latest it would start is 2 I believe. Thats what they did last sunday.

[somethingyellow]

I'm pretty sure all the sunday games are on earlier. The latest it would start is 2 I believe. Thats what they did last sunday.Ya i just checked. The last game comes on at 2 on sunday

[Scott Weber]

Ya i just checked. The last game comes on at 2 on sunday
yessssssss that makes me so happy

gabe and darren will be here on sunday hanging out haha...maybe even Tate.

[weezer182]

yessssssss that makes me so happy

gabe and darren will be here on sunday hanging out haha...maybe even Tate.That would be great to see Tate show up. I'm definitely going to the show I'll probably just watch the games up in bellingham and leave for seattle when they are done.

[somethingyellow]

yessssssss that makes me so happy

gabe and darren will be here on sunday hanging out haha...maybe even Tate.I'll be at the show so I will try to look for you guys

[Scott Weber]

I'll be at the show so I will try to look for you guys
right on.