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Java Nick
03/20/06, 09:46 PM
Iran? Yes? No?
I'm interested in what people think.
Zamboni
03/22/06, 10:29 AM
No.
If economic sanctions are not going to work, and thats how it looks what options do we have?
Zamboni
03/23/06, 08:06 AM
If economic sanctions are not going to work, and thats how it looks what options do we have?
Stay the fuck out of the world's business? Stop invading Middle Eastern countries because of bigoted Western stereotypes against Arabs and for the benifit of the Jews and the Saudi royal family?
what fantasy world are you living in
Zamboni
03/23/06, 08:21 AM
what fantasy world are you living in
Obviously one you ignorant Americans can't bear to live in. One where your stupidly misplaced ambition won't get in the way of other countries well-being and right to self-govern.
cal1082
03/23/06, 08:29 AM
Obviously one you ignorant Americans can't bear to live in. One where your stupidly misplaced ambition won't get in the way of other countries well-being and right to self-govern.
lol
When a terrorist regime makes threats toward our Allies and the US it becomes our business.
Zamboni
03/23/06, 09:02 AM
When a terrorist regime makes threats toward our Allies and the US it becomes our business.
1. Iran is not a terrorist regime. Oh shit, I forgot, Arab country= Terrorist country...
2. Maybe instead of the knee-jerk "we must make war" reaction you Americans seem to always gravitate towards, perhaps you should sit back and wonder exactly why you always seem to be the target of world hatred.
Perhaps it's your propensity to destroy anything which gets in the way of your false-democratic ideologies, or maybe the way you feign concern at world issues, but are really in it for your own benifit and profit.
Maybe you didn't know this but Iran is the most active STATE sponser of terrorism. Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. Its Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and Ministry of Intelligence and Security (MOIS) continue to be involved in the planning and the execution of terrorist acts and continued to support a variety of groups that use terrorism to pursue their goals. (primarily against Israel and Iraqis).
And like I said when a terrorist regime (or any regime) makes threats toward the US and its allies it is our business. But then again an isolationist wouldn't understand.
cal1082
03/23/06, 10:10 AM
Maybe you didn't know this but Iran is the most active STATE sponser of terrorism. Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. Its Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and Ministry of Intelligence and Security (MOIS) continue to be involved in the planning and the execution of terrorist acts and continued to support a variety of groups that use terrorism to pursue their goals. (primarily against Israel and Iraqis).
And like I said when a terrorist regime (or any regime) makes threats toward the US and its allies it is our business. But then again an isolationist wouldn't understand.
There's no need or use in it.
"1. Iran is not a terrorist regime. Oh shit, I forgot, Arab country= Terrorist country..."
I mean.................
Shatter590
03/23/06, 12:30 PM
in my opinion, Iran should not be invaded.
The biggest threat to our security as far as i see it, is North Korea. I'd worry more about them than Iran any day. They at least have the potential to launch a strike at the US directly from their own borders. (and notice i said potential, not that they will, or they could, only that they have the POTENTIAL to do it down the line)
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
in my opinion, Iran should not be invaded.
The biggest threat to our security as far as i see it, is North Korea. I'd worry more about them than Iran any day. They at least have the potential to launch a strike at the US directly from their own borders. (and notice i said potential, not that they will, or they could, only that they have the POTENTIAL to do it down the line)
You make a good point but North Korea has already threatened to launch on South Korea if we take any kind of action, thousands of scud missiles and various other weaponary are set on SK's capitol and thousands if not millions would die. North Korea compared to Iran is more stable although it may not seem that way. The main reason NK went nuclear is for security reaons, once the USSR crumbled they were left without much protection from anti-communist countries.
Detering Iran from going nuclear is one less hostile country we would have to worry about in the future and if they achieve nuclear weapons that is more leverage they will have.
And North Korea doesnt have a delivery system that can yet reach the US. The only have an 800 mile range, so they have a capability of reaching Sourth Korea, Russia, China (all asia)
open mind
03/23/06, 02:48 PM
i think that we might be able to get iran to have a revolution before they can weaponize nuclear weapons, we just need to quit the tough talk, and let the country with a huge number of moderate young people that's being run by old radicals eat itself.........and if that doesn't happen we can quietly get ready for what needs to be done down the line.
Zamboni
03/23/06, 03:33 PM
Maybe you didn't know this but Iran is the most active STATE sponser of terrorism. Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. blah blah blah blah blah...
It also doesn't take a genuis to regurgitate pre-packaged, fear-mongering "statistics" from American-based agencies and websites.
And like I said when a terrorist regime (or any regime) makes threats toward the US and its allies it is our business.
You're exactly right. It's your business to find out what the fuck you're doing to piss off all these Arabs, and stop. Not blow the country to rat shit.
ClapClapSnap
03/23/06, 03:37 PM
It also doesn't take a genuis to regurgitate pre-packaged, fear-mongering "statistics" from American-based agencies and websites.
You're exactly right. It's your business to find out what the fuck you're doing to piss off all these Arabs, and stop. Not blow the country to rat shit.
why are you so angry?
Zamboni
03/23/06, 04:08 PM
why are you so angry?
What isn't there to be angry about in the world these days?
ClapClapSnap
03/23/06, 04:11 PM
What isn't there to be angry about in the world these days?
freaking out on someone over a messageboard won't do too much though...i mean, you can have your opinions...but the hostility is crazy
It also doesn't take a genuis to regurgitate pre-packaged, fear-mongering "statistics" from American-based agencies and websites..
It also doesn't take a genius to spell genius.
American based? Statistics last reported from the IAEA are not American based dumb ass, maybe you should stop embaressing yourself now. You're complaining about the world when your country hides behind isolationism.
i think that we might be able to get iran to have a revolution before they can weaponize nuclear weapons, we just need to quit the tough talk, and let the country with a huge number of moderate young people that's being run by old radicals eat itself.........and if that doesn't happen we can quietly get ready for what needs to be done down the line.
That would be terrific actually. Alot of the young kids are pro-west.
Zamboni
03/23/06, 04:26 PM
It also doesn't take a genius to spell genius.
That was so obviously a typo, I don't see why you would even bother correcting it, and coming from the guy who spelt "embarrassing" as "embaressing", I won't even bother...
American based? Statistics last reported from the IAEA are not American based dumb ass, maybe you should stop embaressing yourself now.
I'm saying that most of the stats you hear from the media now are either American-based, or are financed by American companies, so you can't take it always at face-value.
I'm saying that most of the stats you hear from the media now are either American-based, or are financed by American companies, so you can't take it always at face-value.
Your right. I'll just take your word for it.
Zamboni
03/23/06, 04:33 PM
Your right. I'll just take your word for it.
Ooh, sarcasm, and a missed contraction! (You're right...)
Very good...
Ooh, sarcasm, and a missed contraction! (You're right...)
Very good...
And you spelled "Oh" wrong.
cal1082
03/23/06, 04:36 PM
Ooh, sarcasm, and a missed contraction! (You're right...)
Very good...
you should spend more time on your bands purevolume page and less time delving into internatilnal affairs.
Zamboni
03/23/06, 04:39 PM
And you spelled "Oh" wrong.
No, it was "Ooh" as in "oooooooooh" but without the ridiculously large amounts of letters.
And I think grammar time is over now.
You can go back to being an ignorant redneck now.
Zamboni
03/23/06, 04:40 PM
you should spend more time on your bands purevolume page and less time delving into internatilnal affairs.
How that is relevant at all, I fail to grasp...
I'm not a redneck. I'm a liberal actually. I don't even live near woods.
I don't live in a place that complains about the world but decides to hide behind ISOLATIONISM.
Your whole country is all talk.
You fail to have even one valid argument. Do you think or read before you talk or just throw it out there?
That was actually a rhetorical question. Anyone who reads your past entries already knows the answer
cal1082
03/23/06, 04:46 PM
How that is relevant at all, I fail to grasp...
How is anything you've said relevant to what even can be considered any sort of anaylsis?
You simply spit out statement, after statement, after statement with no substance.......just claims. It's just the same ill-informed teen garbage I've read from other ill-informed teens.
Zamboni
03/23/06, 04:51 PM
I'm not a redneck. I'm a liberal actually. I don't even live near woods.
I don't live in a place that complains about the world but decides to hide behind ISOLATIONISM.
Your whole country is all talk. My whole country is an uninfluential conservative pseudo-power. That's no secret. However, at least we aren't a fear-mongering conservative slaughterhouse.
You fail to have even one valid argument. Do you think or read before you talk or just throw it out there? Here's one: Your stupid president has helped your country into over 8 trillion dollars of public oustanding debt. And each month your in Iraq (which apparently will be many more to come, from Dubya's recent press conference), it costs you 6 billion more.
I don't think you're in any position financially or economically to jump on the war-wagon again any time soon.
cal1082
03/23/06, 04:53 PM
My whole country is an uninfluential conservative pseudo-power. That's no secret. However, at least we aren't a fear-mongering conservative slaughterhouse.
Here's one: Your stupid president has helped your country into over 8 trillion dollars of public oustanding debt. And each month your in Iraq (which apparently will be many more to come, from Dubya's recent press conference), it costs you 6 billion more.
I don't think you're in any position financially or economically to jump on the war-wagon again any time soon.
Where'd you get that number from?
Zamboni
03/23/06, 04:56 PM
Where'd you get that number from?
www.brillig.com/debt_clock
cal1082
03/23/06, 05:03 PM
www.brillig.com/debt_clock
I was actually talking about the price of war per month, but I can't accept the above statistics either.
You opened my eyes earlier when you said..........
"I'm saying that most of the stats you hear from the media now are either American-based, or are financed by American companies, so you can't take it always at face-value."
"It also doesn't take a genuis to regurgitate pre-packaged, fear-mongering "statistics" from American-based agencies and websites."
You see his numbers this guy is crunching are coming straight from our fear-mongering American agency known as the U.S. Treasury department!!!!
Now I'd love to see where you got the cost of war info.
See how much of a dumb ass you look like when you say one thing and less than 5 posts later do it yourself.
Funny thing, if Canada gets into a conflict which escalates to military means. Who are you going to call?
open mind
03/23/06, 05:06 PM
Funny thing, if Canada gets into a conflict which escalates to military means. Who are you going to call?
ghostbusters!!!
In the world most of us live in war is going to be expensive, maybe someday you'll realize that life isn't all rainbows, lollipops and universial healthcare
selftitled85
03/23/06, 05:25 PM
in my opinion, Iran should not be invaded.
The biggest threat to our security as far as i see it, is North Korea. I'd worry more about them than Iran any day. They at least have the potential to launch a strike at the US directly from their own borders. (and notice i said potential, not that they will, or they could, only that they have the POTENTIAL to do it down the line)
at my internship we had an event and it was abut what options america has. pretty much the truth is iran is much larger than iraq and would need a considerably much larger force to invade with any sort of chance of winning.
Thats true which is why we would need a stronger coalition if the crisis should escalate. I think another difference could be the Iranian people themselves, with the young people who are primarily pro west this could help the Iranians take control of Iran without much US backing.
Zamboni
03/23/06, 07:28 PM
You see his numbers this guy is crunching are coming straight from our fear-mongering American agency known as the U.S. Treasury department!!!!
Now I'd love to see where you got the cost of war info.
See how much of a dumb ass you look like when you say one thing and less than 5 posts later do it yourself.
The funny thing is, you don't even realize what you're reading.
This is anti-American press coverage coming from the U.S.
Anyone American can spout off "benifits" of their wars, but it's a completely different story when the stats are against them.
As for the cost of war info, don't even pretend that you haven't heard that stat before, but I'll try and find the link just so you won't have the satisfaction.
cal1082
03/24/06, 09:35 AM
The funny thing is, you don't even realize what you're reading.
This is anti-American press coverage coming from the U.S.
Anyone American can spout off "benifits" of their wars, but it's a completely different story when the stats are against them.
As for the cost of war info, don't even pretend that you haven't heard that stat before, but I'll try and find the link just so you won't have the satisfaction.
Why is it a completely different story when it's anti? Oh, I know because you're anti and it supports your position. On the other hand if they came out with positive statisitcs they become less reliable. Do you honestly not see how stupid you look at this point?
Again.........your pulling info from fear-mongering American-based agencies and websites.
And yes, I've heard that stat about the cost of war. I'm not arguing the stat. Apparently you haven't caught on to my point quite yet and that point is I'm about 90% sure that stat also came from the fear-mongering US government.
Zamboni
03/24/06, 01:45 PM
And yes, I've heard that stat about the cost of war. I'm not arguing the stat. Apparently you haven't caught on to my point quite yet and that point is I'm about 90% sure that stat also came from the fear-mongering US government.
Hey, you're the one who wants to swallow all the bullshit the U.S. is feeding, so why do you not believe this specific stat?
cal1082
03/24/06, 03:42 PM
Hey, you're the one who wants to swallow all the bullshit the U.S. is feeding, so why do you not believe this specific stat?
lol........i'm not saying I dont. Remember! You're the one that said.........
"I'm saying that most of the stats you hear from the media now are either American-based, or are financed by American companies, so you can't take it always at face-value."
"It also doesn't take a genuis to regurgitate pre-packaged, fear-mongering "statistics" from American-based agencies and websites."
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