The Lebron James Dick sucking is going too far with espn

[Caleb Cattivera]

of all the things they can start out sportscenter with...it was the cavs bobcats game...the fucking bobcats...lebron's had a great season this year...melo is quietly having a great season in denver and getting no pub.

[Trainsaw]

everyone loves King James i suppose, it does go pretty far though.

[Jess7286]

I love Lebron but I'll give it to you that ESPN jumps on the bandwagon of anyone/team that's looking fanciful: UCLA basketball, USC football.

[Spicoli hey bud]

well at least he finally hit a game winner

[ActorInThisPlay]

they just put on what everyone wants to see and right now Lebron is that.

[Trainsaw]

they just put on what everyone wants to see and right now Lebron is that.
when are they putting on "Barry Bonds burned at the stake"

[ActorInThisPlay]

when are they putting on "Barry Bonds burned at the stake"
not before Bonds breaks Aaron's homerun record

[Trainsaw]

not before Bonds breaks Aaron's homerun record
would you honestly like Bonds that much if he didn't play for the giants

[Jess7286]

I hate baseball.

[Caleb Cattivera]

would you honestly like Bonds that much if he didn't play for the giants

i wont lie if i was a giants fan id probably try to find some way to cover it up, even though id still think he was a cheater...i think we're all partial to our home teams...i wouldnt be a pujols or edmonds fan if they didnt play for the cardinals.

[ActorInThisPlay]

would you honestly like Bonds that much if he didn't play for the giants
no but since I am a Giants fan, I like him. that's why a lot of people like the players they do.

[FondestMemory]

i wont lie if i was a giants fan id probably try to find some way to cover it up, even though id still think he was a cheater...i think we're all partial to our home teams...i wouldnt be a pujols or edmonds fan if they didnt play for the cardinals.

i'm not really a giants fan. i'm just a barry bonds fan. and because of that, that makes me cheer for the giants.

[wessa]

of all the things they can start out sportscenter with...it was the cavs bobcats game...the fucking bobcats...lebron's had a great season this year...melo is quietly having a great season in denver and getting no pub.

i cannot agree more. Lebron is good but he is not good enough that he stands out from kobe, paul pierce, dwyane wade, and other great players. This is what i hate about lebron when it comes to sportscasters.
When the cavs win: "Man, lebron really makes everyone around him better."
When the cavs lose: "The cavs really need to get some better guys to play with lebron james."
so when they win its because of lebron, but when they lose it is his teammates. i get sick when people say those two things (although they say that for a lot of the above guys as well)

[splitsecond]

Lebron is not Jordan. Hell, Lebron isnt even Kobe.

[Brownpants06]

i cannot agree more. Lebron is good but he is not good enough that he stands out from kobe, paul pierce, dwyane wade, and other great players. This is what i hate about lebron when it comes to sportscasters.
When the cavs win: "Man, lebron really makes everyone around him better."
When the cavs lose: "The cavs really need to get some better guys to play with lebron james."
so when they win its because of lebron, but when they lose it is his teammates. i get sick when people say those two things (although they say that for a lot of the above guys as well)

I'd say hes better than kobe, maybe pierce, but wade is definetly outplaying him this season.


wade is going to give steve nash a hell of a run for mvp. (see bill simmons article, he convinced me easily haha)

[Caleb Cattivera]

I'd say hes better than kobe, maybe pierce, but wade is definetly outplaying him this season.


wade is going to give steve nash a hell of a run for mvp. (see bill simmons article, he convinced me easily haha)

i dont see how anyone can say lebron is better than kobe, lebron will probably end up being better...but as of now, he still gets scared in the fourth.

[ThriftWhore]

They made such a big deal of his "buzzer beater", because it was the first he ever hit.

He's been in the league for a while now, its been 200+ games without him hitting one- He's afraid of the big shot, while Carmelo HITS game winners ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

it's BULLSHIT.

[Jess7286]

Well people are hyping Lebron because he's young. Kobe's got what, 3 or 4 years on him right? And, Lebron's in the same situation, playing straight out of high school. I can see Lebron being better than Kobe in a few years but not yet.

Why's nobody talking about TMac? Oh yeah, because he's injured again.

[ThriftWhore]

i dont see how anyone can say lebron is better than kobe, lebron will probably end up being better...but as of now, he still gets scared in the fourth.
if im starting a team, i'd want kobe, even though he's selfish- he has a killer instinct, isn't afraid to hold the ball for the last shot and will play defense against the best offensive weapon on the other team.

kobe is better than lebron at this point in time.

[Brownpants06]

I was hoping you'd say that.

"Interesting work from 82games.com (http://www.82games.com/random12.htm) last month, which kept track of everyone's stats in game-winning situations (24 seconds or less: tie game, down by one, down by two) for the past two-plus seasons. Carmelo had the best numbers -- 8-for-14, and that was before he made two more game-winners in the past three weeks. One of the worst guys? Kobe Bryant ... 6-for-25. You read that correctly. Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060317)

Kobe gets scared, too.

[Caleb Cattivera]

I was hoping you'd say that.

"Interesting work from 82games.com (http://www.82games.com/random12.htm) last month, which kept track of everyone's stats in game-winning situations (24 seconds or less: tie game, down by one, down by two) for the past two-plus seasons. Carmelo had the best numbers -- 8-for-14, and that was before he made two more game-winners in the past three weeks. One of the worst guys? Kobe Bryant ... 6-for-25. You read that correctly."

Kobe gets scared, too.

now you're just stealing the stats i posted on here awhile back.

we're not just talking about in clutch situations, we're talking about overall. you're an idiot if you think lebron is better than kobe at this point.

[Brownpants06]

now you're just stealing the stats i posted on here awhile back.

we're not just talking about in clutch situations, we're talking about overall. you're an idiot if you think lebron is better than kobe at this point.

Click the link. Then call me an idiot, Lebron I easily believe is better than Kobe.

[ThriftWhore]

I was hoping you'd say that.

"Interesting work from 82games.com (http://www.82games.com/random12.htm) last month, which kept track of everyone's stats in game-winning situations (24 seconds or less: tie game, down by one, down by two) for the past two-plus seasons. Carmelo had the best numbers -- 8-for-14, and that was before he made two more game-winners in the past three weeks. One of the worst guys? Kobe Bryant ... 6-for-25. You read that correctly. Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060317)

Kobe gets scared, too.
regardless, still better than lebrons 2 of 16.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Click the link. Then call me an idiot, Lebron I easily believe is better than Kobe.

dude ive seen that link, im the one who brought it the forums.

tell me why and how lebron is better than kobe.

[Drew Beringer]

Kobe is the best player in the NBA.

[Caleb Cattivera]

i dont even think lebron is the best out of his class...

id put wade ahead of lebron

[Brownpants06]

He's stronger, more aggresive, younger, puts up better numbers (not just including points), and is more fun to watch to be honest. And every season he keeps improving.

But yes, wade is beating him, But wade and lebron i'd say are both better than kobe.

[ThriftWhore]

Kobe is the best player in the NBA.
yes sir. without a doubt. he's been my whole fantasy team for points basically haha. i named my team "the kobe bryant's" haha.

i dont even think lebron is the best out of his class...

id put wade ahead of lebron
i agree, right now wade is ahead of lebron. i love watching wade play, just the way he lays his body on the line and puts it all out there everynight.

[Caleb Cattivera]

He's stronger, more aggresive, younger, puts up better numbers (not just including points), and is more fun to watch to be honest. And every season he keeps improving.

But yes, wade is beating him, But wade and lebron i'd say are both better than kobe.

haha wow.

you just said in another thread that stats arent everything.

he's not more agressive than kobe, no way. being younger does not make him better, and him being more fun to watch doesnt make him better.

that was, well, the worst argument ive ever seen.

[ThriftWhore]

He's stronger, more aggresive, younger, puts up better numbers (not just including points), and is more fun to watch to be honest. And every season he keeps improving.

But yes, wade is beating him, But wade and lebron i'd say are both better than kobe.
he's not more aggressive, if you knew about kobe the reason he's not liked around the league is because he has a killer instinct from the time the ball is tipped until the final horn.

and kobe is better than wade also.

[Brownpants06]

haha wow.

you just said in another thread that stats arent everything.

he's not more agressive than kobe, no way. being younger does not make him better, and him being more fun to watch doesnt make him better.

that was, well, the worst argument ive ever seen.
Stats aren't everything, you're right, but for a play style and position like kobe and lebron, stats count for a fuckload. A lot more than they do for someone like Nash or Kidd. Being younger gives him more potential, and I'm telling you why I like lebron over kobe in regards to the entertainment point.

And Thrift, he's not liked around the league because he is cocky, arrogant, and selfish.

That's the end of my kobe bashing, too many damn bball threads have it.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Stats aren't everything, you're right, but for a play style and position like kobe and lebron, stats count for a fuckload. A lot more than they do for someone like Nash or Kidd. Being younger gives him more potential, and I'm telling you why I like lebron over kobe in regards to the entertainment point.

And Thrift, he's not liked around the league because he is cocky, arrogant, and selfish.

That's the end of my kobe bashing, too many damn bball threads have it.

just another kid whos bitching out because he cant back up an argument with anything valid.

good day.

[Brownpants06]

Bitching out? I just gave you a response to everything you mentioned that was wrong with my previous statement, and that is called a rebuttal. You gave nothing valid in any of your responses except trying to fault mine. If you would actually like to go further, and repeat about 100 threads about Kobe, then be my guest. It's actually getting more repetitive than PS3 vs Rev vs Xbox 360 threads.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Bitching out? I just gave you a response to everything you mentioned that was wrong with my previous statement, and that is called a rebuttal. You gave nothing valid in any of your responses except trying to fault mine. If you would actually like to go further, and repeat about 100 threads about Kobe, then be my guest. It's actually getting more repetitive than PS3 vs Rev vs Xbox 360 threads.

you gave NOTHING to back it up. stop being a baby about it and come out and fight.

then trying to say stats DO matter. MAKE UP YOUR FUCKING MIND.

[wessa]

i hate stats about game winning shots, i do not think they should count shots that were taken when the game was tied. I mean, the pressure isn't nearly as great as when your team is losing. If melo takes a shot and its 85-85, if he misses, they go into overtime. I do not see that as being a huge amount of pressure (before people bash me by thinking im saying melo is overrated in the clutch, the guy has hit plenty of shots with his team down, i would give the ball to him).

kobe is better right now, but do not compare them because of age. It was totally different when kobe came into the league. Young guys sat on the bench more often. Plus kobe played for the lakers, a team that was a contender without him. Young guys who are drafted high are now put out on the court from day 1 and are given every damn shot they please. I mean lebron was handed the keys to the cavs, kobe had to sit, watch, and had to own up to shaq when he was missing a huge amount of shots (who does lebron own up to, zyldrunas ilgauskas?).

[Johnny_G]

Kobe Bryant is THE BEST FUCKING PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE.

/thread.

[bigmike]

i always wonder what lebron would have averaged in college.

[ActorInThisPlay]

you gave NOTHING to back it up. stop being a baby about it and come out and fight.

then trying to say stats DO matter. MAKE UP YOUR FUCKING MIND.
and I have yet to see a single stat to prove your side of the argument as well...practice what you preach.

[ThriftWhore]

and I have yet to see a single stat to prove your side of the argument as well...practice what you preach.
he's not bashing on him for not using stats, he's bashing on him because he said stats don't matter here then in another thread he said stats don't matter and didn't back any of his statements up with facts. read the whole thread before jumping on someones back(esp. caleb ahaha).

you dont need stats to prove a point, you need to back it up with some knowledge of the game atleast.

[ActorInThisPlay]

he's not bashing on him for not using stats, he's bashing on him because he said stats don't matter here then in another thread he said stats don't matter and didn't back any of his statements up with facts. read the whole thread before jumping on someones back(esp. caleb ahaha).

you dont need stats to prove a point, you need to back it up with some knowledge of the game atleast.
except in the other thread he said that I needed stats to prove my argument and then trashed me because I didn't want to provide any at the moment. I think by liking Kobe he is becoming Kobe, cocky and arrogant.

[bigmike]

except in the other thread he said that I needed stats to prove my argument and then trashed me because I didn't want to provide any at the moment. I think by liking Kobe he is becoming Kobe, cocky and arrogant.
yeah, but he tends to win alot more than kobe.

[ThriftWhore]

except in the other thread he said that I needed stats to prove my argument and then trashed me because I didn't want to provide any at the moment. I think by liking Kobe he is becoming Kobe, cocky and arrogant.
i didn't know about your other thread with him, i just based what i said about whats goin down in here. so my bad.

[wessa]

yeah, but he tends to win alot more than kobe.

i don't really like to compare win/loss for james and kobe. How is it fair when the lakers have to play more western conference teams.

[FondestMemory]

if i'm starting a team, i want lebron to build around.

i'm not saying he's the best in the league, but he's up there.

and i still don't mind having the ball in lebron's hands with the game on the line. he's gotten much better lately. whether it's taking it straight to the hole and winning it with a layup, or driving, getting quadruple teamed and kicking out for a wide open shot, i like the ball in his hands at the end.

i'm completely biased, though. but that's still my opinion.

[Brownpants06]

and I have yet to see a single stat to prove your side of the argument as well...practice what you preach.

thank you. Here goes.


Lebron can drive to the lane and make a layup / dunk against pretty much any player in the league, hence my strength comment (meaning physical strength and overall greater athletic ability over Kobe) In his last five games he has averaged 35.2 points 9.4 rebounds and 6.6 assists to kobe's 31.6 / 3.8 / 5.4. On the season lebron's FG% is 47.3% to kobe's 44.3%, and Kobe's 3PT% is only one percent more at 34% to lebron's 33.1%. Lebron's 39-29 caves are second only to the Pistons in their division with, 4th in the conference compaired to Kobe's third in division, seventh in conference, hovering around .500, 36-34 Lakers. Lebron is doing a better job leading the Cav's than Kobe is leading the Lakers. Granted, Kobe's points have been higher on a season average, but your season means nothing if you can't play down the 20 game stretch (and you can easily count that 81 point performance as an outlier in that average).

You can also complain about teammates all you want, but both stars are their respective teams. The only ones that come close are Odom and Ilgauskas. Ilgauskas only has three of eight of the team's top stats (FT% 3PT% and Blocks, and Lebron has three - Pts, Rebs, and steals) where as Odom holds five of eight for the lakers (rebounds, assists, FG%, 3PT% and blocks, kobe has the other three - Pts, FT% and steals). Again, I am an odom fan, and i agree he was overrated coming out of Miami, but now very underrated coming out of last season's performance with the lakers. Lebron builds team chemistry, while Kobe destroys it (need I mention Shaq, or did you figure that out all by yourself already?).

This is an exert from ESPN in a bit i read today about mvp regarding kobe (hate to pop your bubble of ignorance claming you are the only source of basketball news to anyone that posts here, but, you're not the only person that reads espn.com in the entire world)
"Forget that his team is hovering around .500 and forget the notion he must make his teammates better to be MVP. It takes time for a team to adjust to working with a player whose game is at such a high level, and vice-versa"

Are you sure these are things you can just "forget"? A team only one game ahead of the 8th place Sacremento and only two games ahead of the 9th place Hornets. And how long has kobe been on the lakers? Didn't last year give the players an entire season to get used to only having one guy to go to rather than two? Is Kobe making his teammates better? Maybe only in assists when Kobe demands the ball. Is Lebron? Well, probably debatable, but I'll let their standings to the talking. Kobe is a constant game winner? Not this season - again that 6-25 stat comes up (which is now 7-28, by the way). I know what you're thinking, and no, you didn't tell point me to it, Simmons did (See previous "bubble" comment). Kobe has been a lot better in the past on being clutch? Oh, but, we are afterall talking about current better player as you keep trying to drill into everyone's head.

And finally, you keep mentioning blah blah stats make up your mind blah blah blah. Did you read anything I said? Stats matter a lot more for a scoring position such as Kobe and Lebron against a guard position such as Nash or Jason Kidd. (Do I need to explain why? Did you figure this one out yourself as well?). You wanted stats, I gave you stats.

I'll end this fucking essay with a quote I read today, again from Simmons:
" If ESPN.com [AP.net] was an island, I'm [Brownpants06] more like Locke (intuition and gut feeling) and Hollinger [Caleb] is more like Jack (by the book)" I replaced the refrences with ours, to make it easier for you. This used to be my thinking, that I think Lebron is better going on intuition and gut feeling, where as you would pick Kobe because of his by the book stats.

However, in this case, i just tore your fucking stat book wide open. Good day.

[wessa]

thank you. Here goes.


Lebron can drive to the lane and make a layup / dunk against pretty much any player in the league, hence my strength comment (meaning physical strength and overall greater athletic ability over Kobe) In his last five games he has averaged 35.2 points 9.4 rebounds and 6.6 assists to kobe's 31.6 / 3.8 / 5.4. On the season lebron's FG% is 47.3% to kobe's 44.3%, and Kobe's 3PT% is only one percent more at 34% to lebron's 33.1%. Lebron's 39-29 caves are second only to the Pistons in their division with, 4th in the conference compaired to Kobe's third in division, seventh in conference, hovering around .500, 36-34 Lakers. Lebron is doing a better job leading the Cav's than Kobe is leading the Lakers. Granted, Kobe's points have been higher on a season average, but your season means nothing if you can't play down the 20 game stretch (and you can easily count that 81 point performance as an outlier in that average).

You can also complain about teammates all you want, but both stars are their respective teams. The only ones that come close are Odom and Ilgauskas. Ilgauskas only has three of eight of the team's top stats (FT% 3PT% and Blocks, and Lebron has three - Pts, Rebs, and steals) where as Odom holds five of eight for the lakers (rebounds, assists, FG%, 3PT% and blocks, kobe has the other three - Pts, FT% and steals). Again, I am an odom fan, and i agree he was overrated coming out of Miami, but now very underrated coming out of last season's performance with the lakers. Lebron builds team chemistry, while Kobe destroys it (need I mention Shaq, or did you figure that out all by yourself already?).

This is an exert from ESPN in a bit i read today about mvp regarding kobe (hate to pop your bubble of ignorance claming you are the only source of basketball news to anyone that posts here, but, you're not the only person that reads espn.com in the entire world)
"Forget that his team is hovering around .500 and forget the notion he must make his teammates better to be MVP. It takes time for a team to adjust to working with a player whose game is at such a high level, and vice-versa"

Are you sure these are things you can just "forget"? A team only one game ahead of the 8th place Sacremento and only two games ahead of the 9th place Hornets. And how long has kobe been on the lakers? Didn't last year give the players an entire season to get used to only having one guy to go to rather than two? Is Kobe making his teammates better? Maybe only in assists when Kobe demands the ball. Is Lebron? Well, probably debatable, but I'll let their standings to the talking. Kobe is a constant game winner? Not this season - again that 6-25 stat comes up (which is now 7-28, by the way). I know what you're thinking, and no, you didn't tell point me to it, Simmons did (See previous "bubble" comment). Kobe has been a lot better in the past on being clutch? Oh, but, we are afterall talking about current better player as you keep trying to drill into everyone's head.

And finally, you keep mentioning blah blah stats make up your mind blah blah blah. Did you read anything I said? Stats matter a lot more for a scoring position such as Kobe and Lebron against a guard position such as Nash or Jason Kidd. (Do I need to explain why? Did you figure this one out yourself as well?). You wanted stats, I gave you stats.

I'll end this fucking essay with a quote I read today, again from Simmons:
" If ESPN.com [AP.net] was an island, I'm [Brownpants06] more like Locke (intuition and gut feeling) and Hollinger [Caleb] is more like Jack (by the book)" I replaced the refrences with ours, to make it easier for you. This used to be my thinking, that I think Lebron is better going on intuition and gut feeling, where as you would pick Kobe because of his by the book stats.

However, in this case, i just tore your fucking stat book wide open. Good day.

ilgauskas is much better than odom. He was an all star a bunch of times.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

tyrone hill was once an allstar also, as was chris gatling....

[FondestMemory]

if ilgauskus was on the lakers, they'd be a much better team.

he's not the greatest, but he's a pretty good fucking player.

[bigmike]

i don't really like to compare win/loss for james and kobe. How is it fair when the lakers have to play more western conference teams.
no, i wasn't talking about caleb. someone said he was becoming kobe.

except in the other thread he said that I needed stats to prove my argument and then trashed me because I didn't want to provide any at the moment. I think by liking Kobe he is becoming Kobe, cocky and arrogant.

so i said caleb tends to be more than .500 in his arguments.