From First to Last - Heroine

[Scott Weber]

From First to Last – Heroine

Let’s start this with a disclaimer. The readers at AP.net have known that I haven’t been one to shy away from my opinion in the past. In fact, I’ve taken a fair amount of criticism for being too harsh on bands in the past (and too nice, it’ll never end). Those of you who are looking for me to rip FFTL to shreds can stop reading at this point, because it’s not going to happen. I don’t care what you think of this review and I don’t care what you think of me. All I know is that From First to Last has shocked me by creating a solid album that I expected to be awful. From the band’s previous work full of oversaturated clichés and ear-splitting vocals, one would never think the band could progress to this sort of level. If you haven’t given Heroine a fair listen, then you can’t judge this band. Yes, their image is absurd. Yes, many of their fans are ridiculous teenage girls with eyeliner and glam/goth outfits. But putting aside all of these factors, one must strip down FFTL and critique the actual music – and it’s good. This is a group of talented musicians who seem to have truly found their sound, with the help of acclaimed producer Ross Robinson, well known for his work with late 90’s nu-metal acts such as Korn and Slipknot. Robinson’s touch gleams off of Heroine from start to finish. Gritty as hell, full of obscenities and soaring sing-along choruses, FFTL has successfully transformed their sound.

Despite exploring their musical boundaries throughout Heroine, FFTL still manages to insert a nice amount of hooks within most of the song. While there being no clear cut singles on the record, there are several tracks that grew on me with melodies that pervade the mind and refuse to let go. On first listen of Heroine, I was unimpressed until I realized the reasoning behind the songs. Instead of offering everything they had up at once, like their previous work, there are interesting aspects buried within songs. It does take several listens to understand the direction of each song, it takes a few listens to determine strong tracks, and it takes time to see how FFTL has truly progressed. While there are still tracks that hit home instantly, like “Mothersound” and “World War Me,” more in-depth tracks like “…And We All Have a Hell” stir around thoughts of previous Ross Robinson type bands. Dirty guitars and unabashed melodies drive the majority of the CD. Whether you like it or not, FFTL has created their own unique sound at a time where everyone expected them to be anything but.

While it might seem like I have nothing but good things to say about the record, that’s not the case. Even though part of the reason the melodies are so infectious is Sonny’s voice, it’s also part of the reason the album suffers. If you listened to FFTL’s earlier work, you’d know that Sonny’s voice was unbearable at times. Although Ross Robinson and a natural evolution of a teenage boy have helped his voice mature, there’s times where it’s unnaturally airy and full of strange vibrato (“The Crows are Coming For Us.”) Lyrically, it’s unwavering from what you would expect, but the imagery could be a lot worse. The main downfall of this album is not in its songwriting or vocals; it’s in its inability to vary. Although FFTL has drastically changed their sound and created a surprisingly non-commercial sounding record, there is a severe lack of variation between songs. Some songs drag on for too long, and the second half of the album loses tons of steam. More ambitious songs like “Waltz Moore” stretch the band’s actual songwriting abilities, and choruses become obnoxious and monotonous instead of soaring, like some of the earlier songs. Heroine effectively dies after the 7th track and never snaps back to life.

Overall, Heroine is a huge step up for the band and deserves a listen. Fans of early Deftones and Korn will find this album to be hauntingly familiar, while still pleasingly modern. Though there are plenty of downfalls to this record, it’s not enough to deter the listening experience. Yes, the band’s image is awful. I fully expect a shitstorm to ensue after the posting of this review, but I don’t care, because when a band writes a solid album, they deserve recognition – regardless of their reputation in the scene. Surprised? So was I.

[Drew Beringer]

I'll def check it out now, but are you really comparing it to the Deftones?

[Nate_RAWKS]

That was a great review Scott.


I'm going to actually listen to this cd now.

[thegamethelight]

i actually really liked this cd.

[Scott Weber]

I'll def check it out now, but are you really comparing it to the Deftones?
I'm not getting into a Deftones debate with you because they're your favorite band, but as there are similarities to early Deftones, yes.

[zizou1790]

yeah i probably would never of given this album a chance but maybe now i willl.. MAYBE

[GoWaitInTheCar]

I'll def check it out now, but are you really comparing it to the Deftones?

I knew you'd say something in response to that!

Hah, I'm thinking the same thing as you though.

[Drew Beringer]

I'm not getting into a Deftones debate with you because they're your favorite band, but as there are similarities to early Deftones, yes.

:) Scotty ilu, I didn't see the "early" part, cause White Pony Deftones, well, no band can touch that. :)

[Gabe Gross]

agreed.

this is a fantastic review scott.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

I'm not getting into a Deftones debate with you because they're your favorite band, but as there are similarities to early Deftones, yes.

Early Deftones sound a lot different then The Deftones do now. Every time I hear Deftones, I still hear White Pony. But I can understand that now. Good review.

[IcedOpethBlind]

music is solid, but sonny's voice just killed this record for me.
i actually liked his vocals alot more in the previous record.

[jon.fftl]

Yeah, awesome review.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

:) Scotty ilu, I didn't see the "early" part, cause White Pony Deftones, well, no band can touch that. :)

We've discussed this. One of my favorite cds ever. It really opened up my eyes to the talent that band holds. I was a fan before, but that record blew me away.

[splitsecond]

Ive heard 2 songs, and that was enough. I have nothing nice to say, and I like you Scott, so I am just going to keep my mouth shut.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

Ive heard 2 songs, and that was enough. I have nothing nice to say, and I like you Scott, so I am just going to keep my mouth shut.

I'm a Scott fan as well, he always writes good, truthful reviews.

[Scott Weber]

Ive heard 2 songs, and that was enough. I have nothing nice to say, and I like you Scott, so I am just going to keep my mouth shut.
You should reserve judgement until you hear the record in it's entirety. you're doing exactly what I predicted people would in my review, judging without proper time. You're welcome to do this of course, it just cracks me up.

[ArmaniMassacre]

Scott....You're great at what you do. Amazing review...time and time again....but ya know what, this album sucks my ass. It's kinda like watching an episode of "next" on mtv, they emerge from the bus and before they can take two steps....."NEXT!!!!"

[ThriftWhore]

I heard the whole thing, and personally I think it's lackluster, minus the production and some of the music. One good song ALL around, "Mothersound", then it just sounds like a bunch of sounds meshed together. Sonny's voice is annoying also, but I rip on it way too much.

I gave it a shot, I may have to listen a few more times to get into it, but as of now i'd never listen to it.

[btbam > you]

the music on this record is suprisingly good

[Scott Weber]

Scott....You're great at what you do. Amazing review...time and time again....but ya know what, this album sucks my ass. It's kinda like watching an episode of "next" on mtv, they emerge from the bus and before they can take two steps....."NEXT!!!!"
Haha, even though I disagree, I did enjoy your comparison. Of course, if I saw Sonny coming off the bus I'd scream next before his feet hit the ground. Maybe if he just slid out a CD instead he'd have a better chance.

[ArmaniMassacre]

Haha, even though I disagree, I did enjoy your comparison. Of course, if I saw Sonny coming off the bus I'd scream next before his feet hit the ground. Maybe if he just slid out a CD instead he'd have a better chance.

Yeah...I think it's been documented on more than one occasion that Sonny is in fact, the ugliest singer in rock and roll history. maybe that's why they do the makeup thing....

he's kinda like the love child of Bert McCracken and Kelly Osbourne...only if they were a few years older...hahah, sorry bad comparison....

[Rohan Kohli]

One of your best reviews yet... I still can't really get into the CD though.. the vocals kill me and the songs all just kinda sound the same... but this was very well written and you make damn good points.

[Scott Weber]

Yeah...I think it's been documented on more than one occasion that Sonny is in fact, the ugliest singer in rock and roll history. maybe that's why they do the makeup thing....

he's kinda like the love child of Bert McCracken and Kelly Osbourne...only if they were a few years older...hahah, sorry bad comparison....
Hahahahaha, hilarious.

[Save my day]

Hah, I can't wait for people to get all excited over this review, buy the album ,adn realize tis a complete piece of crap.

[ArmaniMassacre]

Hahahahaha, hilarious.


haha...the bad thing is only til about two seconds ago, i had forgot that they dated for a while...man...maybe the comparison wasn't that far off....

[yeknom]

the review was good, but I can be pretty sure I wouldn't like it.

[Drew Beringer]

Hah, I can't wait for people to get all excited over this review, buy the album ,adn realize tis a complete piece of crap.

Scott and I have very similar tastes in music, so I trust him. It's only 8 bucks at Target anyways. haha

[Scott Weber]

the review was good, but I can be pretty sure I wouldn't like it.
That's exactly what I thought. Just sayin'.

[Troy will Fall]

music on this record is pretty good, i was surprised as well..vocals are still lacking to me though, never did like sonny's voice.

[HalfwitBoy777]

im totally in agreement with you Scott. definite props needs to go to Ross Robinson and Andy Wallace for the production of this album. the technical aspects of Heroine are really something to admire.

[HalfwitBoy777]

great review scott. i'm in complete agreement. and crazy props to both Ross Robinson and Andy Wallace for the production of the album. The technical aspects of Heroine are absolutely something to be admired.

[dukeboy1986]

I am sorry I tried listening to this album, I just couldn't take it seriously. The song "THe Levy" sounds like bad Halloween music. Save your money and buy the new Appleseed Cast CD instead.

[TomAce]

Where was i when Korn became a respectable band? I like this bands last cd, and i probably wouldve liked this one too, but wow is it overproduced. All the shitty programing interludes ive heard in the songs just completely kill the vibe. And i agree with that dude being mad ugly, but you know what, hes getting laid while we sit here on absolutepunk.net.

[Scott Weber]

Where was i when Korn became a respectable band? I like this bands last cd, and i probably wouldve liked this one too, but wow is it overproduced. All the shitty programing interludes ive heard in the songs just completely kill the vibe. And i agree with that dude being mad ugly, but you know what, hes getting laid while we sit here on absolutepunk.net.
When did Korn get any respect in the review? Sound comparisons were made, that's it.

[bledsoevox]

This record kills the majority of hawthorne heights-esque garbage that's all over the place nowadays. Sonny's voice is the weak link but he's got some amazing vocal melodies on this album. These guys could easily go on tour with a band like Nine Inch Nails or Marilyn Manson with this sound, and still come back and rock with any other (insert crappy emo band name here) group out there. Its called maturity and growth my friends. Bravo for these guys!

[domesticyeti]

good review.

[Drew Beringer]

I'm listening to this right now, I am really surprised, I do like this.

[_all_star_me_]

very very good review. i acutally love this album. and the growth is amazing. its really funny in all the reviews, everyone has failed to recognized how young this band really is. Sonny Moore was 16 when they recorded "Dear Diary...". Now he's 18/19, and the growth is outsanding lyrically and vocally. On some of the tracks you can honestly tell, this kid can sing in 'Waltz Moore'.

Musically, a very advance record from their past. They learnt how to use their instruments to the fullest. Ross Robinson did a great job, and the bands sound developed so much.

8.5/10. i really do like this record.

[lucian guthrie]

i think korn became a respectable band when they invented a genre of music and became one of the hugest rock bands in the world for quite a while. theyve gone downhill, and i had held a vendetta against the band because i hated people that listened to them, but that was supid. bands cant control who listens to their music and it is supremely ignorant to hate a band for who they draw to a concert.

also, to the people saying it is over produced because of the programming, matt the guitarist did all of the electronic programming on the album by himself, except for in the levy, which was done by atticus ross of nine inch nails. just to give credit where credit is due, ross is a great producer, but he doesnt but barely know how to use protools, he didnt do any programming.

[Bury Your Head]

does anybody find the song
world war me
to sound blood brothers influenced.
love the song ALOT.


p.s. awesome and true review
awesome job scott.

i liked the last song
and musicially i liked waltz moore
i just didnt like sonnys voice
and im confused if hes talking about himself

[Drew Beringer]

Waltz Moore is a really good song.

[leocorrea]

does anybody find the song
world war me
to sound blood brothers influenced.
love the song ALOT.


p.s. awesome and true review
awesome job scott.

i liked the last song
and musicially i liked waltz moore
i just didnt like sonnys voice
and im confused if hes talking about himself
hmm now that I think of it, it kind of does seem SORT OF like the blood brothers. but, I haven't really listened to much of that band so maybe i'm wrong and it could sound more like them, or not. I don't know

and yeah, he's talking about himself in Waltz Moore

[seancoia]

good review, but this album is garbage in my opinion.

[Bury Your Head]

hmm now that I think of it, it kind of does seem SORT OF like the blood brothers. but, I haven't really listened to much of that band so maybe i'm wrong and it could sound more like them, or not. I don't know

and yeah, he's talking about himself in Waltz Moore


thats sad that he feels a constant need to be incredibly skinny....
and yeah it really does sound like blood brothers.
i was in the car with my friend amy and she thought it was blood brothers
she hates fftl.
and it doesnt help sonnys voice is high pitched like johnny

[Fades2Black]

a so-so review, i dont agree about the last half of the album being bad, i mean come on "Heroine" is a great song, exellent end to the record and really shows Sonny's vocal potential. Its obvious that the band put alotta thought into the album. This is a great step in the right direction for this band, and people should just stop the hatin.

[Bury Your Head]

good review, but this album is garbage in my opinion.



and i respect your opinion sir.
haha
no really i do
i wish we could all instead of bashing each other
sorry
back to topic...

[IamTheINDUSTRY]

:) Scotty ilu, I didn't see the "early" part, cause White Pony Deftones, well, no band can touch that. :)

touche...touche

[crazytoledo]

Dude, this has to be one of the worst releases of the year. Besides 'Mothersound' there is not one thing worthy hear. 'Dear Diary' was far above this. When listening to this I picked up a few interesting guitar tones, a nice solo on the first track (i think brett (bad religion) layed this down), a few keys, and a scream that is underused and not even close to it's potential.

This is bad.

And 'Levy' and their single sound like a hybrid of Aiden and My Chemical Romance.

[Scott Weber]

a so-so review, i dont agree about the last half of the album being bad, i mean come on "Heroine" is a great song, exellent end to the record and really shows Sonny's vocal potential. Its obvious that the band put alotta thought into the album. This is a great step in the right direction for this band, and people should just stop the hatin.
opinions are opinions. i get really sick of the CD past track 7 because there's such little variation. if they were at the beginning of the record, then I might find them to be better songs, but because they're at the end they get buried.

[yeknom]

I listened to a bit of it, it's a slight improvement, but im not a fan of the lyrics and damn that dude is a terrible singer.

[alifetmeaway]

you pretty much hit it right on the head man, good review.

[Adeniz19]

i'm scared to give this cd a full listen. the songs i've heard sonny's voice was horrible.

[asamovie]

i couldnt agree with you more.

[Drew Beringer]

Dude, this has to be one of the worst releases of the year. Besides 'Mothersound' there is not one thing worthy hear. 'Dear Diary' was far above this. When listening to this I picked up a few interesting guitar tones, a nice solo on the first track (i think brett (bad religion) layed this down), a few keys, and a scream that is underused and not even close to it's potential.

This is bad.

And 'Levy' and their single sound like a hybrid of Aiden and My Chemical Romance.

It's way better than the new Atreyu.

[Shatter_Glass]

Deftones? More liek if Kenny and Burt had a lovechild!

[emoishardcore]

i heard the cd. i think you could pick and choose decent songs, but its not a solid hit. and i agree, the vocals (at some points) carry and destroy alot of songs.

[Crimson_Curse]

Very well written...but I wasn't surprised because no review on this site is a negative review...

[ultragabe]

The solo at the end of Mothersound is excellent. It makes me want to rip my eyes out...in a good way.

[IamNogreatMan]

I've listened to it through 3 times now. Its um...wierd. I am indifferent about it personally, even though the EP and Full Length stayed in my cd player for months.

[TomAce]

i think korn became a respectable band when they invented a genre of music and became one of the hugest rock bands in the world for quite a while. theyve gone downhill, and i had held a vendetta against the band because i hated people that listened to them, but that was supid. bands cant control who listens to their music and it is supremely ignorant to hate a band for who they draw to a concert.

also, to the people saying it is over produced because of the programming, matt the guitarist did all of the electronic programming on the album by himself, except for in the levy, which was done by atticus ross of nine inch nails. just to give credit where credit is due, ross is a great producer, but he doesnt but barely know how to use protools, he didnt do any programming.

I dont hate Korn for who listens to them, i couldnt care less who listens to them, i dislike korn for their slap bass, off key singing, and boring overly done lyrics about how the world is against Jonathan Davis. Sure they created a genre of music, Nu-Metal. Which has pretty much been the laughing staulk of alternative music for the last decade. To me they still get nada coodos. The programing on the record without a doubt kills the energy tho. Thats also shocking that a guy in a band that relys so heavily on digital programing (Atticus of NIN) wouldnt know much about it.

P.s. a little sidenote thats wayyy off subject, but does it bother any one else that Rancid is on the end credits of Cody Banks 2? I just put it on cuz there was nothing on and i needed some background noise, and it was deffinitly one of those "what the fuck is going on?" moments

[histrionics22]

Dude, this has to be one of the worst releases of the year. Besides 'Mothersound' there is not one thing worthy hear. 'Dear Diary' was far above this. When listening to this I picked up a few interesting guitar tones, a nice solo on the first track (i think brett (bad religion) layed this down), a few keys, and a scream that is underused and not even close to it's potential.

This is bad.

And 'Levy' and their single sound like a hybrid of Aiden and My Chemical Romance.

Brett did backing vocals on the 1st track. Don't underestimate how talented these guys are. Each are very good in their own way. And the fact that you call a scream underused proves that this album is not for you.

[yurmykryptonite]

Im gonna say this, its not a bad cd its just not a good one either. They tried so hard instead of just letting it come and it shows. I like dear diary 1000 x better and its a shame that they didnt stay in that direction

[Scott Weber]

Very well written...but I wasn't surprised because no review on this site is a negative review...
go look around our review database and you'll find TONS that prove you wrong...for god's sake i just did a negative review of sullivan a few weeks ago.

[unwritten]

It's aight. Definitely better than their last cd.

[a speedo model]

good review. i'm liking this CD alot.

[a speedo model]

go look around our review database and you'll find TONS that prove you wrong...for god's sake i just did a negative review of sullivan a few weeks ago.

true shit.

[famouspunk88]

fuck this cd. SCENE SLIPNOT.

THATS WHAT I CALL IT.

its ridiculous when they express how much they love slipnot, work with mr.robinson, then sound exactly like them. from the trippy noise to the screams.

i give it a 3

[eldude9482]

I didn't care too much for this album. Their first one was better by having a harder sound. oh well.

[Scott Weber]

fuck this cd. SCENE SLIPNOT.

THATS WHAT I CALL IT.

its ridiculous when they express how much they love slipnot, work with mr.robinson, then sound exactly like them. from the trippy noise to the screams.

i give it a 3
Slipknot, even? Wow.

[fm8418]

I actually cant stand his voice on this cd.

World War Me starts out fast then he sings and i just shut it off .

[ArTkY_]

Good review Scott. I actually do like this album. haha, my friend told me I'd like it and I told him I wouldn't listen until I read your review.

[lucian guthrie]

I dont hate Korn for who listens to them, i couldnt care less who listens to them, i dislike korn for their slap bass, off key singing, and boring overly done lyrics about how the world is against Jonathan Davis. Sure they created a genre of music, Nu-Metal. Which has pretty much been the laughing staulk of alternative music for the last decade. To me they still get nada coodos. The programing on the record without a doubt kills the energy tho. Thats also shocking that a guy in a band that relys so heavily on digital programing (Atticus of NIN) wouldnt know much about it.

i think the fact that you would put yourself above someone with the knowledge and experience atticus has is absolutely absurd, but not in any way unexpected coming from a kid on a messageboard.

if you want to call korn shitty because he occasionally sings out of key, then im sure you hate at the drive in right? or is it easier to hate korn because they are not fashionable to like anymore?

you see, i get pissed off with kids like you on here that think they now anything about recording because they know how to work fruity loops or think they have industry experience because they lurk industry messageboards. YOU DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING except your own miguided unifnormed fucking opinions, so dont say that someone doesnt know what they are doing when you dont even know what the fuck their "doing" involves. if you think im attacking your right to have an opinion, im not, im attacking you personally for being a dumb fucking asshole and saying that you know better how to arrange programming than someone who has worked on some of the most incredible electronic records of all time

[Drew Beringer]

I actually cant stand his voice on this cd.

World War Me starts out fast then he sings and i just shut it off .

Strange, I feel the same way about Chiodos singer. :O

[MalevolentHoff]

The album is awful, and I'm not saying that to be an asshole; theres just nothing special about it. Dear Diary is eleventy billion times better.

[FASSWcore]

i respect the opinion of the review...but i'll still pass

[TSLataris]

That was a great review Scott.


I'm going to actually listen to this cd now.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

I'll give this CD a whirl.

[[Mike]]

Comparing to 'early' Deftones? I certainly don't see that.

[Jason Tate]

Still don't like it.

[Drew Beringer]

Ok, so I used to be an avid hater of FFTL, to the point where I wasn't gonna check out this album. But Scott's review convince because Scott is very similar taste in music to me and I trust him. Anyways, I downloaded it tonight and listened to it 3 times and I must say, I really like it, so much taht I'm going to buy it at Target. So, shit on me all you want, but I'm telling you, just get over the fact that this is FFTL and enjoy the music. I mean Sonny's voice isn't any worse than Patrick Stump's. Give this album a fuckin chance, it could change your mind like it changed mine.

[AWilhelmPetter]

I'll give it a chance, but I must say I'm not very motivated to listen to what I call crap.

[AWilhelmPetter]

I've listened to the 6 first tracks and I'm still feeling that this is the same old shitty FFTL in a new wrapper. Nothing special about this album in my opinion.

[themostdeplete]

go look around our review database and you'll find TONS that prove you wrong...for god's sake i just did a negative review of sullivan a few weeks ago.

cough..sksk...cough.

Strange, I feel the same way about Chiodos singer. :O

thats not nice :shake:

']Comparing to 'early' Deftones? I certainly don't see that.

yeah, i dont either.

[intoyourarms]

i just like the fact that when this cd leaked someone was like omg you got heroine dude! let me get it. hot topic fashioncore to the maxx forget the music.

[whocares930]

I wish they could have just forgot about all the "maturing" or "growning up" BS.

[crazytoledo]

It's way better than the new Atreyu.

Not even close too.

Some of the instrument work is interesting, but Atreyu torch them with their musical ability and at least Alex/Brandon's voices don't go in and out every other second.

[Scott Weber]

Not even close too.

Some of the instrument work is interesting, but Atreyu torch them with their musical ability and at least Alex/Brandon's voices don't go in and out every other second.
Wow. The new Atreyu is pure shit, man. Welcome to opinions.

[Fades2Black]

Ok, so I used to be an avid hater of FFTL, to the point where I wasn't gonna check out this album. But Scott's review convince because Scott is very similar taste in music to me and I trust him. Anyways, I downloaded it tonight and listened to it 3 times and I must say, I really like it, so much taht I'm going to buy it at Target. So, shit on me all you want, but I'm telling you, just get over the fact that this is FFTL and enjoy the music. I mean Sonny's voice isn't any worse than Patrick Stump's. Give this album a fuckin chance, it could change your mind like it changed mine.

Hell yes. Nobody seems to understand that once you listen to this CD 3 or 4 times it really gets good. Yes ill admit when i first put it on i was like what the fuck. But now i honestly cant stop listening to it, its that good in my opinion. This is FFTL's true sound, the way the really wanted to do it. Its less emo, less appealing to all the screaming little girls, and in some ways epic in its content. I saw them live and they were actually pretty good, rocked the house. So once again please stop all the hate and give em a chance

[Bury Your Head]

go look around our review database and you'll find TONS that prove you wrong...for god's sake i just did a negative review of sullivan a few weeks ago.

yeah and the ASL album faso latido got a negative man. so thats not true that its all postive. and yes i do like faso latido

[Bury Your Head]

Wow. The new Atreyu is pure shit, man. Welcome to opinions.

im kind of pist there are only 9 songs.....
what the fuck is with that.

[EvilButters]

I am a little shocked with this review. I thought I liked these guys, then after seeing them live twice and listening to "Dear Diary..." a few times, I realized that I didn't like them very much. I wasn't going to give this album the time of day. Now, after reading your review, I'm definitely going to give it a listen.

[Drew Beringer]

Wow. The new Atreyu is pure shit, man. Welcome to opinions.

haha, yes!

[Drew Beringer]

I am a little shocked with this review. I thought I liked these guys, then after seeing them live twice and listening to "Dear Diary..." a few times, I realized that I didn't like them very much. I wasn't going to give this album the time of day. Now, after reading your review, I'm definitely going to give it a listen.

Definitely give it a chance, trust me I hated FFTL a lot before this. Hated their fans, hell I disliked "Dear Diary..." greatly, but I gave "Heroine" a chance, and it is a vast improvement.

[TomAce]

i think the fact that you would put yourself above someone with the knowledge and experience atticus has is absolutely absurd, but not in any way unexpected coming from a kid on a messageboard.

if you want to call korn shitty because he occasionally sings out of key, then im sure you hate at the drive in right? or is it easier to hate korn because they are not fashionable to like anymore?

you see, i get pissed off with kids like you on here that think they now anything about recording because they know how to work fruity loops or think they have industry experience because they lurk industry messageboards. YOU DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING except your own miguided unifnormed fucking opinions, so dont say that someone doesnt know what they are doing when you dont even know what the fuck their "doing" involves. if you think im attacking your right to have an opinion, im not, im attacking you personally for being a dumb fucking asshole and saying that you know better how to arrange programming than someone who has worked on some of the most incredible electronic records of all time

hah woah, chill out with the pms buddy, first of all, dont talk to me on some knowledge shit, cuz you dont even know who I am, secondly, i never doubted that, it seems to me like your on here to just pick a fight, in which case you should be shot in the face and survive to live a life of embrassment. What I said was its weird that he wouldnt be amazing at it because hes in NIN (which is actually one of my favorite bands ever). Im not a kid, so dont talk to me like i am. My oppinions are very far from misguided. There actually is no possible way an oppinion can be guided or misguided, its what makes it an oppinion, it varys from person to person. But if you wanna go have some hot topic fit because I made a little joke about Korn, be my guest, ill sit here and laugh at your expense. I dont bash on Korn cuz they suck now, i bash on Korn cuz theyve always sucked. From the moment I heard them, i thought they were a fuckin joke, im not trying to offend you or your extensive collection of Family Values Cd's but come on...are you serious? Are you actually gonna come at me telling me Korn is something to marvel at and expect anything but sarcasm? Lets get realistic real quick...your probably a 20 something fat piece of loser shit living with your parents, wearing the same ozzfest 2001 shirt everyday for the past 2 weeks, that comes onto here to find some unsuspecting kid that isnt that witty and wont be able to fight back, because your entire life has been spent on kids with lives picking on you cuz you play dundgeons and dragons with the foriegn exchange students, get over yourself...you lose in life, and you certainly wont win any respect from me

[lucian guthrie]

My oppinions are very far from misguided. There actually is no possible way an oppinion can be guided or misguided, its what makes it an oppinion, it varys from person to person.


im not trying to get into a semantic argument with you, but if you are curious how an opinion can be misguided, or a person can become misinformed, then you might want to check this out on dictionary.com

misguided

adj 1: poorly conceived or thought out; "an ill-conceived plan to take over the company" [syn: ill-conceived] 2: wrong in e.g. opinion or judgment; "well-meaning but misguided teachers"; "a mistaken belief"; "mistaken identity" [syn: mistaken]


But if you wanna go have some hot topic fit because I made a little joke about Korn, be my guest, ill sit here and laugh at your expense. I dont bash on Korn cuz they suck now, i bash on Korn cuz theyve always sucked.

yeah im going to have a hot topic fit about it. i was simply answering the assenine arguments you gave for them being a shitty band. you write them off for singing out of key, then write off nirvana, at the drive in, bob dylan etc.

Lets get realistic real quick...your probably a 20 something fat piece of loser shit living with your parents, wearing the same ozzfest 2001 shirt everyday for the past 2 weeks, that comes onto here to find some unsuspecting kid that isnt that witty and wont be able to fight back, because your entire life has been spent on kids with lives picking on you cuz you play dundgeons and dragons with the foriegn exchange students, get over yourself...you lose in life, and you certainly wont win any respect from me

i was never interested in your respect, i dont need respect from assholes on messageboards who hold their "oppinions" (whatever the fuck those are) so high above reality that i feel like im trying to reason with someones pet dog when i talk to them.

[STD Yay STD]

this album is surprisingly good.

it has definitely grown on me.

[a speedo model]

i can't stop listening to this CD.

[PoisonedWithInk]

my first reaction to this disc was wow.....way diffrent....kept listenign to it...and now i cant stop listening to it....its soo damn good....and i could give a shit less what anyone has to say to that....cause your fucking opinions dont matter to me :)

its a great album

[holdontightly]

i cant say i like it so far..whats with all these bands "maturing" and putting out albums that are way too ambitious?

[Scott Weber]

i cant say i like it so far..whats with all these bands "maturing" and putting out albums that are way too ambitious?
what's up with bands releasing the same old shit year after year?

[mperko7537]

i didn't think the album was too bad. well i have heard better, but it wasn't bad.

[starlight]

fftl is everything

[ThisIsAName]

Haha, theres a lot of pages pretty much bashing FFTL, I actually like them and Sonny's vocals and I don't dress gothic (they just look ridiculous, who really needs that much attention) But yeah there songs do all kind of sound alike! They arent my fave band, they are okay.

[westsidas2000]

I'm probably one of the few that actually thought their last album was fun to listen. I can't say this album is any good. Vocals are still terrible. I don't like the production at all. And most of all they took what was bad about the last album and made it sound worse (vocals). They may have stayed their course by not making a commercial album. Too bad the CD still came out disappointing.

[Fades2Black]

I'm probably one of the few that actually thought their last album was fun to listen. I can't say this album is any good. Vocals are still terrible. I don't like the production at all. And most of all they took what was bad about the last album and made it sound worse (vocals). They may have stayed their course by not making a commercial album. Too bad the CD still came out disappointing.

Your full of shit, you dont even know what your talking about, this album is a huge step from the last and the vocals definatly sound good. U need to acutally listen to the album before you post shit.

[Alt_fate83]

i just wanna say that i didnt like FFTL's first CD and after seeing their fan base and the way they present themselves, i disliked them even more! but i still gave "heroine" a try and now i tottally have a differnent view of this band.. people need to start liking music for what it is and stop judging a band for other reasons .. this is a great CD

[crazytoledo]

'Dear Diary' was enjoyable. This still is not even close. Now if they were to give Sonny the boot, then maybe they could come around and be a legit band in this scene, but until then, I'm staying away.

[xnovemberxx]

i really dislike this CD
i was all about fftl's first two CDs, but when this came out, i was just let down.
I dont think the vocals are that great at all.
Everything fits, except for Sonny's vocals...
i would buy an album without his singing if i could.

[black_lungs]

i disagree with your statement of "heroine effectively dies after the 7th track" because waltz moore was the track that kept me listening becuase it deals with such a serious issue that a lot of people can relate too. i personally love sonnys voice, but i can understand how it could become annoying after time and therefore agree with that.
but anyway, thats just me...

[Darkgem187]

I want to check out this cd now

[Vallentine]

Heroine is the only track on this shyt that I can stand. I've never liked From First To Last, they have nothing to say important, they looks like idiots and got pathetic vocals. I have no idea, what people like in them. Proably only Sonny's hairs :-p

[No IThinkNot]

I don't like to admit it, but I also enjoyed this album. Sonny's voice is its only major downfall.

[SuckerForMayhem]

I don't find it too similar to early Deftones, now Korn I'm definitely not familar with. But I didn't get that feeling at all from this album.

[SuckerForMayhem]

i really dislike this CD
i was all about fftl's first two CDs, but when this came out, i was just let down.
I dont think the vocals are that great at all.
Everything fits, except for Sonny's vocals...
i would buy an album without his singing if i could.

i so argee with you, i never checked out their first CD but I thought that Dear Diary... was better way then this, and I think it's because of the vocals like you said.

[xnovemberxx]

i so argee with you, i never checked out their first CD but I thought that Dear Diary... was better way then this, and I think it's because of the vocals like you said.


I actually think the vocals could have been decent...
if sonny didnt try that whole shaky voice thing.

[{[PAM]}]

man I just can never agree with these reviews.
first I love FFTL but I actually thought that heroine was their worst cd.
besides sonny left the band and sadly he has a solo career now.

[fadedmemories]

I loved this album but sonny's voice is a major downfall

[chelseaxsmilexD]

Dear Diary is better by a hella lot