something ap needs a little more of...controversy

[TitoThePoolBoy]

http://blog.myspace.com/clearanddescript

p.s. feel free to leave your two cents.

[TitoThePoolBoy]

i'm surprised no one has mentioned this video before. some scary stuff.

[cal1082]

i'm surprised no one has mentioned this video before. some scary stuff.

video won't load for me, but if i'm not mistaken it's been mentioned and talked about a bunch. it's like every other conspiracy video about every other conspiracy

[Broken Parachute]

I'm a Conservative and my family is full of Conservatives..and even I AM a little suspicious.

The parts that made me question:

1) The size of the hole in the Pentagon
2) The mini-explosions that are COMPLETELY VISIBLE in the videos where the two towers are falling.
3) The man who ran out of the elevator with his skin peeled off screaming about a bomb in the elevator shaft.
4) The fact that just months before the WTC buildings (1, 2, 7..which are the only ones to have fallen on their own) were put into a random "Emergency Evacuation TEST DRILL." Nobody ever found out WHY.
5) Bomb Sniffing Guard-dogs were taken off the scene of WTC shortly after the drills.
6) Condeleeza Rice called a congressman on September 10th and told him not to get on an airplane that next morning.
7) The fact that ALL of the cell phone calls from the hijacked planes were so clear..and there was no screaming what so ever in any of the calls, all of the people sounded calm. One guy actually repeated the same sentance over again (oddly enough the sentance was "I'm calling from an Air Phone..you believe me Mom, right?"

There's some really freaky stuff in there. I won't say anything other than..we'll NEVER know the real truth.

[bigmike]

I'm a Conservative and my family is full of Conservatives..and even I AM a little suspicious.

The parts that made me question:

1) The size of the hole in the Pentagon
2) The mini-explosions that are COMPLETELY VISIBLE in the videos where the two towers are falling.
3) The man who ran out of the elevator with his skin peeled off screaming about a bomb in the elevator shaft.
4) The fact that just months before the WTC buildings (1, 2, 7..which are the only ones to have fallen on their own) were put into a random "Emergency Evacuation TEST DRILL." Nobody ever found out WHY.
5) Bomb Sniffing Guard-dogs were taken off the scene of WTC shortly after the drills.
6) Condeleeza Rice called a congressman on September 10th and told him not to get on an airplane that next morning.
7) The fact that ALL of the cell phone calls from the hijacked planes were so clear..and there was no screaming what so ever in any of the calls, all of the people sounded calm. One guy actually repeated the same sentance over again (oddly enough the sentance was "I'm calling from an Air Phone..you believe me Mom, right?"

There's some really freaky stuff in there. I won't say anything other than..we'll NEVER know the real truth.
that is some scary shit.

[Broken Parachute]

that is some scary shit.

How about that they compared the flight from Pennsylvania (Flight 93) to a similar crash in greece. In Greece, almost all of the major parts were found. In Pennsylvania, no plane parts where found and the crater in the earth was about 12x10 feet. A Beoing 747 did that? The quote from one of the people said the "wreckage" looked like "A pile of garbage dumped into a large hole by a dump truck."

I had no clue about this, but they said a Lab in New Mexico developed "Voice Morphers" which can change into anyone's voice. They actually had a test done with Colin Powell's voice saying "The hostages are treating me well." or something and it sounded like him. They said it's possible they morphed the voices of the people in the plane for the phone calls.

It just all doesn't add up. The first time I saw this video, I laughed because it seemed retarded. Now I look at it on a more broad level..it's kind of scary.

[richter915]

How about that they compared the flight from Pennsylvania (Flight 93) to a similar crash in greece. In Greece, almost all of the major parts were found. In Pennsylvania, no plane parts where found and the crater in the earth was about 12x10 feet. A Beoing 747 did that? The quote from one of the people said the "wreckage" looked like "A pile of garbage dumped into a large hole by a dump truck."

I had no clue about this, but they said a Lab in New Mexico developed "Voice Morphers" which can change into anyone's voice. They actually had a test done with Colin Powell's voice saying "The hostages are treating me well." or something and it sounded like him. They said it's possible they morphed the voices of the people in the plane for the phone calls.

It just all doesn't add up. The first time I saw this video, I laughed because it seemed retarded. Now I look at it on a more broad level..it's kind of scary.
you're a conservative?!?!?! man, I totally hate you now...hah just kidding...it's hard to hate a Rangers fan no matter how wrong they are.

[Broken Parachute]

you're a conservative?!?!?! man, I totally hate you now...hah just kidding...it's hard to hate a Rangers fan no matter how wrong they are.

Hahaha, really technically I'm neither Liberal nor Conservative. I'm 16, I have two more years before my own views count. I have sort of Liberservitive views. haha, some things I agree with..some things I don't.

[justinevans]

There are conspiracies for everything.

[Shatter590]

my two cents

i SAW it happen

conspiracy or not...it still happened.

[TitoThePoolBoy]

the pentagon issue is the most compelling.

the government's explanation for the missing plane is that it "evaporated".

[Broken Parachute]

the pentagon issue is the most compelling.

the government's explanation for the missing plane is that it "evaporated".

Meanwhile, scientifically a plane just doesn't evaporate leaving a hole that's half the size of the actual plane. Another good point was why isn't there any lawn markings where the plane slid into the building. AND, why was there a hole the same size on the opposite side of the next inner layer.

The whole Pentagon thing is freaky.

[richter915]

Hahaha, really technically I'm neither Liberal nor Conservative. I'm 16, I have two more years before my own views count. I have sort of Liberservitive views. haha, some things I agree with..some things I don't.
Guiliani-esque? if so, very nice. I tend to think that way too but coming from an immigrant family, liberalism is the biggest benefit to us.

[richter915]

Meanwhile, scientifically a plane just doesn't evaporate leaving a hole that's half the size of the actual plane. Another good point was why isn't there any lawn markings where the plane slid into the building. AND, why was there a hole the same size on the opposite side of the next inner layer.

The whole Pentagon thing is freaky.
considering how this adminstration thinks that Creationism is a science...I don't think they care for the laws of physics (and neither does 51% of the country)

[richter915]

There are conspiracies for everything.
of course...but not everything is used to wage half-decade long wars and lead to further death and invasion. That's why this conspiracy theory is such a hot topic ya know?

my opinion on it...Planes did hit the twin towers and bombs may be attributed to bombs brought on the plane by suicide bombers..I do not know what happened at the pentagon. I mean, has anyone compared the destruction at the three crash sites? If the field in pennsylvania had more damage than the pentagon...shit is definitely goin on.

[cal1082]

pretend you didnt see a plane hitting the world trade center. then look at pics of the world trade center after it was hit. Does it look to you like a huge plane went through the center?

[mondeoman]

I'm a Conservative and my family is full of Conservatives..and even I AM a little suspicious.

I'm a Liberal and my family is full of Liberals...and even I can smell bullshit a mile away. THE AIRPLANE IS BELOW THE RUBBLE!

[richter915]

pretend you didnt see a plane hitting the world trade center. then look at pics of the world trade center after it was hit. Does it look to you like a huge plane went through the center?
true true but from what I've seen, there were parts of the plane there and we can't pretend here because there is video footage of it. This is not the case for the pentagon. If you look at the wreckage there, it doesn't look like a 747 rammed into it.

[lfdfforever]

America is offical the worst country ever, we fucking blow up the trade towers, killed thounds of peolpe, just to get money.

[preppyak]

I'm a Conservative and my family is full of Conservatives..and even I AM a little suspicious.

The parts that made me question:

1) The size of the hole in the Pentagon
2) The mini-explosions that are COMPLETELY VISIBLE in the videos where the two towers are falling.
3) The man who ran out of the elevator with his skin peeled off screaming about a bomb in the elevator shaft.
4) The fact that just months before the WTC buildings (1, 2, 7..which are the only ones to have fallen on their own) were put into a random "Emergency Evacuation TEST DRILL." Nobody ever found out WHY.
5) Bomb Sniffing Guard-dogs were taken off the scene of WTC shortly after the drills.
6) Condeleeza Rice called a congressman on September 10th and told him not to get on an airplane that next morning.
7) The fact that ALL of the cell phone calls from the hijacked planes were so clear..and there was no screaming what so ever in any of the calls, all of the people sounded calm. One guy actually repeated the same sentance over again (oddly enough the sentance was "I'm calling from an Air Phone..you believe me Mom, right?"

There's some really freaky stuff in there. I won't say anything other than..we'll NEVER know the real truth.

Add to that like 10 of the highjackers still being alive...and some sketchy shit is going on. Also, Flight 93 being spotted landing in I believe it was Dayton Oh or that area. It actually still flies today if I remember.

Really, the whole video was eye opening...the first 45 minutes were solid, but you can tell he just gets bitter by the end

[preppyak]

I'm a Liberal and my family is full of Liberals...and even I can smell bullshit a mile away. THE AIRPLANE IS BELOW THE RUBBLE! creating perfectly cylindrical holes in the wall, not taking out light poles or leaving a mark on the lawn at it's crash, and smelling like cordite (used in missiles btw).

pretend you didnt see a plane hitting the world trade center. then look at pics of the world trade center after it was hit. Does it look to you like a huge plane went through the center?
Oh, planes hit the building...but the World Trade Center was built to withstand just that kind of attack.

true true but from what I've seen, there were parts of the plane there and we can't pretend here because there is video footage of it. This is not the case for the pentagon. If you look at the wreckage there, it doesn't look like a 747 rammed into it. yep..and to further that...how did a plane that has jet fuel capable of burning only at 1100 degrees melt steel tested to 2000 degrees in BOTH towers. I mean, I worked in construction, there are some shoddy practices, but to use steel graded to half of what it should be in a national landmark...I dunno. Also, the heat doesn't instantaneously transfer through the entire metal shaft, so only a certain section would be disintegrated, which would cause it to topple over, not implode.

Watch the video, it may not all be right, but it's eye opening

[lfdfforever]

It is the truth, the whole thing is just sad.

[Broken Parachute]

Add to that like 10 of the highjackers still being alive...and some sketchy shit is going on. Also, Flight 93 being spotted landing in I believe it was Dayton Oh or that area. It actually still flies today if I remember.

Really, the whole video was eye opening...the first 45 minutes were solid, but you can tell he just gets bitter by the end

The two WTC planes are in the official computer listed as 'destroyed,' YET the planes that "crashed" in Pennsylvania and in the Pentagon are listed as 'still in service.'

[cal1082]

Holy Shit people!!!!!!!!!!!

Can some of you be any more dense and have less common sense then a pet rock?

Use your head for God's sake.

---Don't you think if the actual planes from that day were still in service it would be very obvious to everyone? And would have been pointed out all over the media with full pictures?
---Don't you think that all the people that were supposedly on the plane would still be alive somewhere?
---Don't you think that out of the hundreds of people cleaning up the Penn. site and the Pentagon site someone would have realized there was no plane parts and said something?
---Have you ever wondered why the government would fly 2 planes into the world trade center..........but when it comes to Penn. and the Pentagon they used something else for the destruction?

[lfdfforever]

Holy Shit people!!!!!!!!!!!

Can some of you be any more dense and have less common sense then a pet rock?

Use your head for God's sake.

---Don't you think if the actual planes from that day were still in service it would be very obvious to everyone? And would have been pointed out all over the media with full pictures?
---Don't you think that all the people that were supposedly on the plane would still be alive somewhere?
---Don't you think that out of the hundreds of people cleaning up the Penn. site and the Pentagon site someone would have realized there was no plane parts and said something?
---Have you ever wondered why the government would fly 2 planes into the world trade center..........but when it comes to Penn. and the Pentagon they used something else for the destruction? Do you believe the video or don't believe it?

[cal1082]

For example take conservative commnetator Barbara Olsen who was one of the more famous people that died that day. She was on the plane that crashed into the Pentagon.

Please read this.................
---take notice that she called her husband (Solicitor General Ted Olson) twice telling him what was happening.
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/pentagon.olson/

[lfdfforever]

For example take conservative commnetator Barbara Olsen who was one of the more famous people that died that day. She was on the plane that crashed into the Pentagon.

Please read this.................
---take notice that she called her husband (Solicitor General Ted Olson) twice telling him what was happening.
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/pentagon.olson/ but the facts they prove can all weight anything you say and for one thing a plan didn't crash into the Pentagon didn't you watch the video

[lfdfforever]

For example take conservative commnetator Barbara Olsen who was one of the more famous people that died that day. She was on the plane that crashed into the Pentagon.

Please read this.................
---take notice that she called her husband (Solicitor General Ted Olson) twice telling him what was happening.
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/pentagon.olson/ You said they used something different to damage the Pentagon, is it a plane or something different. You made no sense at all.

[cal1082]

You said they used something different to damage the Pentagon, is it a plane or something different. You made no sense at all.

You must quit talking (typing)................

If you can't figure out what I mean by, "---Have you ever wondered why the government would fly 2 planes into the world trade center..........but when it comes to Penn. and the Pentagon they used something else for the destruction?" You shouldnt me allowed to hold an opinion.

[lfdfforever]

You must quit talking (typing)................

If you can't figure out what I mean by, "---Have you ever wondered why the government would fly 2 planes into the world trade center..........but when it comes to Penn. and the Pentagon they used something else for the destruction?" You shouldnt me allowed to hold an opinion. I know what you meant but They said they used a plan to make the story true about the 19 hajackers.

[lfdfforever]

The story the media and goverment told us was a lie face it, I know it sucks but are goverment is greedy and will do anything to make money, even create a war for oil and destroy our trade towers.

[cal1082]

I know what you meant but They said they used a plan to make the story true about the 19 hajackers.

You obviously dont understand what I meant. Why wouldnt they have used a plane? If they can use two planes to crash into the world trade center and kill all the people on those planes. Why wouldnt they simply get 2 other planes and crash one into a field in Penn. (which makes no sense in itself), and then crash the other into the Pentagon.

If we're to believe the conspiracy theories, you'd have to believe that they went through extra effort to "fake" two crashes and then get rid of all the people somehow that were suppose to be on those planes.

[kshtoinks12]

fuck, my sound is broken and i love this kind of stuff

[dontgrabtindy]

The story the media and goverment told us was lie face it, I know it sucks but are goverment is greedy.
u are a fucking retard we fucking watched the plans fly into the twin towers, the plane was seen turning around in ohio and heading to pa were it crashed. Al Quida claimed responsibility what more do u need

[lfdfforever]

I'm sorry for saying you didn't make sense, that was shitty, everyone is the right to theri opinon.

[cal1082]

The story the media and goverment told us was a lie face it, I know it sucks but are goverment is greedy and will do anything to make money, even create a war for oil and destroy our trade towers.

sorry, but you'd make a preacher curse out of frustration.

[lfdfforever]

u are a fucking retard we fucking watched the plans fly into the twin towers, the plane was seen turning around in ohio and heading to pa were it crashed. Al Quida claimed responsibility what more do u need Didn't you watch the video the only calim we had of Al quida doing it was the video with Osa and that wasn't even him.

[cal1082]

Didn't you watch the video the only calim we had of Al quida doing it was the video with Osa and that wasn't even him.

Don't you watch the news!

You had a guy in court today admit that he was part of the plot.

[lfdfforever]

sorry, but you'd make a preacher curse out of frustration. Why would these kids just make a video about the goverment hiding the truth about 911. They must be real good story tellers.

[dontgrabtindy]

Don't you watch the news!

You had a guy in court today admit that he was part of the plot.

the government is paying him off

[dontgrabtindy]

Why would these kids just make a video about the goverment hiding the truth about 911. They must be real good story tellers.

theres a video for everything including how we didnt really land on the moon

[cal1082]

Why would these kids just make a video about the goverment hiding the truth about 911. They must be real good story tellers.

for some reason i think you're just pulling my leg now

[lfdfforever]

Don't you watch the news!

You had a guy in court today admit that he was part of the plot. But the goverement stoped invesgating in 911.

[lfdfforever]

for some reason i think you're just pulling my leg now hahahaha maybe I am, I dont know but I do think its real. I mean its done and over but the truth is still unclaimed, thats what sucks about conspraicys like this. It makes you think what is true.

[IAPAI]

Don't you watch the news!

You had a guy in court today admit that he was part of the plot.

If you watched the news a little more closely (or watched Canadian news - if yours was censored, I apologize), you'd also know that he denied knowing about it, or having any hand in it, then later on admitted to having full knowledge and participation in it.

[cal1082]

If you watched the news a little more closely (or watched Canadian news - if yours was censored, I apologize), you'd also know that he denied knowing about it, or having any hand in it, then later on admitted to having full knowledge and participation in it.

Yes, I posted a thread about it the morning read the news link in it.

[lfdfforever]

Can you say anthing that can prove everything the guys said in the video and pointed out to be not true. When you can, post it.

[richter915]

with the whole thing about the steel melting...this is something important all people should understand...it's common sense physics really...if you apply a lot of heat to a metal, it does not have to melt in order for it to break...in fact, it takes heat many hundreds of degrees lower than the melting point for the steel to break. It's like a spoon, if u apply heat to the neck, it will bend before the neck completely melts off. same thing here.

[IAPAI]

with the whole thing about the steel melting...this is something important all people should understand...it's common sense physics really...if you apply a lot of heat to a metal, it does not have to melt in order for it to break...in fact, it takes heat many hundreds of degrees lower than the melting point for the steel to break. It's like a spoon, if u apply heat to the neck, it will bend before the neck completely melts off. same thing here.

So was heat applied to each weight bearing piece of steel in both towers enough for them to bend? Because a lot of steel and concrete just completely caved in as a freefall in like 9 seconds. No resistance at all.

[unwritten]

Interesting video.

[catscradle]

So was heat applied to each weight bearing piece of steel in both towers enough for them to bend? Because a lot of steel and concrete just completely caved in as a freefall in like 9 seconds. No resistance at all.
he's saying that the intense heat combined with the immense weight of the towers caused them to bend the steel and allow it to collapse into itself. It caved in so fast due to the immense amount off weight falling downward. Like he said, it's common physics.

[Lueda Alia]

he's saying that the intense heat combined with the immense weight of the towers caused them to bend the steel and allow it to collapse into itself. It caved in so fast due to the immense amount off weight falling downward. Like he said, it's common physics.
but other buildings haven't collapsed the same way the towers did, even though they had been on fire for hours and hours...

[lfdfforever]

but other buildings haven't collapsed the same way the towers did, even though they had been on fire for hours and hours... Yes we can't forgot about the other buildings that have been on fire for hours and haven't fell becuase of melted steel. If the TCW feel because of Melted steel, they would the only two towers in the world(out of three) to have melted down like that. Just like the video said. They have everyhting covered.

[Neo Cassady]

Yes we can't forgot about the other buildings that have been on fire for hours and haven't fell becuase of melted steel. If the TCW feel because of Melted steel, they would the only two towers in the world(out of three) to have melted down like that. Just like the video said. They have everyhting covered.
what makes me wonder about that statement is that the other buildings were intact to start with. the towers already had holes in them (in the case of the south tower, in the corner), rendering them much more unstable than they would be had they just caught fire and not been hit by airplanes. this definitely contributed to them collapsing so quickly, although the rest of it seems like it could be absolutely valid.

[DanEmo]

weird stuff...gets you wondering..

does anyone know where i can find a link of the other controversial 9/11 movie?

[dontgrabtindy]

but other buildings haven't collapsed the same way the towers did, even though they had been on fire for hours and hours...
the other buildings werent laced with jet fuel for one and im pretty sure they were built different than the twin towers

[fromwithin]

This movie was mentioned before and I'm glad you brought it up cause I was looking for it. Normally I would not believe it, but this guy has hard factual evidence about 9/11 such as the "hijackers" and so on. If you watch the movie you'll see the part about the plane not being a commercial liner and people seeing another jet in a different direction. That's what scares me the most. We think we live in freedom today, but its what we dont know that hurts us the most.

[cal1082]

It's so funny. If you noitce anything about conspiracy's they raise the difficult, hard to prove/disprove questions. They ignore the basic simple things and try to make things more confusing. This allows people who want to believe the conspiracy an excuse to believe it.

I mean, name me one good conspiracy that revolves around simple facts and evidence? Have you seen JFK?

[cal1082]

Also just look at the guy who made the movie. He's a movie maker!!! What are the odds that a movie maker would peel all the layers back and find the "truth"...............and then he just so happens to be able to make a movie about it because he's a movie maker!!!

[IAPAI]

It's so funny. If you noitce anything about conspiracy's they raise the difficult, hard to prove/disprove questions. They ignore the basic simple things and try to make things more confusing. This allows people who want to believe the conspiracy an excuse to believe it.

I mean, name me one good conspiracy that revolves around simple facts and evidence? Have you seen JFK?

1. You didn't even watch the movie, so some of your points don't even apply to what we're discussing.
2. Arguing that other conspiracies haven't been proven isn't a valid premise for what we're discussing, and what you're arguing against.
3. You have a George Bush (or maybe Ryan Reynolds) avatar and are from Texas. Most of us can predict what you're going to say, thanks.

[cal1082]

1. You didn't even watch the movie, so some of your points don't even apply to what we're discussing.

read my post at the beginning.

2. Arguing that other conspiracies haven't been proven isn't a valid premise for what we're discussing, and what you're arguing against.

I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing how every single conspiracy works.

And arguign that other buildings didnt collapse even though they were on fire isn't a valid premise either.

3. You have a George Bush (or maybe Ryan Reynolds) avatar and are from Texas. Most of us can predict what you're going to say, thanks.

and you're from canada and look like a douche.........but i'm not jumping to conclusions.

[Johnny_G]

Also just look at the guy who made the movie. He's a movie maker!!! What are the odds that a movie maker would peel all the layers back and find the "truth"...............and then he just so happens to be able to make a movie about it because he's a movie maker!!!

Hahaha, what a reach. Just sit back, take off your Bush mask, and look at this objectively for 4.5 seconds. Anyone with ANY common sense can see that there are clearly some questions that have been overlooked and not answered. I'm not crying conspiracy, but there is clearly something going on here and its clearly POSSIBLE that there may have been some foul play in 9/11. We'll never know for sure what happened, but if you want to sit back and be fed every line of bullshit George W feeds you, then God bless your sorry soul.

[IAPAI]

and you're from canada and look like a douche.........but i'm not jumping to conclusions.

That's because I'm civil and am trying to argue this legitimately, rather than resorting to name calling. What kind of conclusions can you really jump to?

[cal1082]

Hahaha, what a reach. Just sit back, take off your Bush mask, and look at this objectively for 4.5 seconds. Anyone with ANY common sense can see that there are clearly some questions that have been overlooked and not answered. I'm not crying conspiracy, but there is clearly something going on here and its clearly POSSIBLE that there may have been some foul play in 9/11. We'll never know for sure what happened, but if you want to sit back and be fed every line of bullshit George W feeds you, then God bless your sorry soul.

What a reach? It's not a reach at all, it's 100% accurate. The guys a film maker and his original goal with this film was to create a FICTIONAL story about how the government was involved in 9/11. He created a good one obviously..........

[cal1082]

That's because I'm civil and am trying to argue this legitimately, rather than resorting to name calling.

lol You're not arguign the legitimacy of it. What does the legitimacy have to do with my avatar or me being from Texas. Nothing...............which is the exact reason I said what I did.

[Johnny_G]

What a reach? It's not a reach at all, it's 100% accurate. The guys a film maker and his original goal with this film was to create a FICTIONAL story about how the government was involved in 9/11.

Oh, because all documentaries are fictional or created to tell a lie to gain viewers? WTF are you even talking about George?

[cal1082]

Oh, because all documentaries are fictional or created to tell a lie to gain viewers? WTF are you even talking about George?

The guy who made the video admitted it.

[Johnny_G]

The guy who made the video admitted it.

Where at?

[IAPAI]

lol You're not arguign the legitimacy of it. What does the legitimacy have to do with my avatar or me being from Texas. Nothing...............which is the exact reason I said what I did.

You're clearly biased, therefore not objective to the material we're discussing.

[Johnny_G]

The quotes with people changing their opinions in a weeks time are what worried me the most. For example, the steel expert saying there's no way the buildings could have collapsed due to fire. A week later, his story changed 100%, stating that is was absolutely a fire that knocked them down...

Believe what you want, but people don't just change their opinions without a legitimate reason or by being forced to do so...

[cal1082]

Where at?

It's even says it in the conspiracy websites (http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060221124947144 ) themeselves.

"Around the same time, Dylan Avery was completing a job as a helper on the construction of a new restaurant for James Gandolfini. He tended bar at the opening party, and when he got a few minutes alone with the Sopranos actor, he said he'd thought he might like to direct films. "James said, 'If you want to be a successful director, you've got to have something you want to say to the whole world,' " Avery remembers. He set out to write a fictional story about discovering that 9-11 was an inside job. "Upon researching the movie, I began to think maybe it was true," he says."

[cal1082]

You're clearly biased, therefore not objective to the material we're discussing.

Yes, and you are too.

[catscradle]

The quotes with people changing their opinions in a weeks time are what worried me the most. For example, the steel expert saying there's no way the buildings could have collapsed due to fire. A week later, his story changed 100%, stating that is was absolutely a fire that knocked them down...

Believe what you want, but people don't just change their opinions without a legitimate reason or by being forced to do so...
Quotes can change though with added information. A weeks time is ample time to be recieve new info that may change the view of things.

[Johnny_G]

Quotes can change through with added information. A weeks time is ample time to be recieve new info that may change the view of things.

Ehh, what new info?

[IAPAI]

Yes, and you are too.

I'm not sure you're following the discussion I'm trying to have.
After watching the film, sure, I have formed an opinion on it. However, (even if it is because it can't load) you have not seen the film and are basing your opinions without the information that people who have seen the film are.

[catscradle]

Yes, and you are too.
touche.

[catscradle]

I'm just gunna say this. Not all documentaries are true. Just look at any Michael Moore film. He even admits to how biased and skewed he makes his films. They raise arousing points, but the points are raised to make you think one way, with little to combat the questions. Why wouldn't this be just like that?

[IAPAI]

I'm just gunna say this. Not all documentaries are true. Just look at any Michael Moore film. He even admits to how biased and skewed he makes his films. They raise arousing points, but the points are raised to make you think one way, with little to combat the questions. Why wouldn't this be just like that?

I have yet to see a single person say "I believe every theory proposed in this film". What most people think after watching it is that there are numerous suspicious points raised that indicate a government cover-up. I think there were many parts of the movie that seemed unrealistic and that the filmmaker was grabbing at anything to tie events together. However, there were also several facts that make a cover-up seem entirely plausible.

[cal1082]

I'm not sure you're following the discussion I'm trying to have.
After watching the film, sure, I have formed an opinion on it. However, (even if it is because it can't load) you have not seen the film and are basing your opinions without the information that people who have seen the film are.

I've seen it before. A long time ago though. Since it wouldnt load I spent last night reading about what it contains, about the author, and from other sites.

It's one of quite a few conspiracy video's about 9/11. It was made by a movie maker who origianlly set out to make a fictional movie about how the government orchastrated 9/11. It doesnt answer basic questions..............what it does is suggest UNPROVEABLE things to avoid the basic questions (voice over from las alamos, etc.......).

[dontgrabtindy]

i highly doubt the majority of things in that movie are true but it makes u think

[IAPAI]

I've seen it before. A long time ago though. Since it wouldnt load I spent last night reading about what it contains, about the author, and from other sites.

It's one of quite a few conspiracy video's about 9/11. It was made by a movie maker who origianlly set out to make a fictional movie about how the government orchastrated 9/11. It doesnt answer basic questions..............what it does is suggest UNPROVEABLE things to avoid the basic questions (voice over from las alamos, etc.......).

If they were provable, it wouldn't be a theory - it would be a fact. It's not as if they aren't provable for unkown reasons, or supernatural: the film proposes that a lack of evidence indicates overwhelming evidence that there was foul play surrounding the entire event, and that the evidence that they do have against the people responsible doesn't really stand up as unarguably factual.

[preppyak]

I'm taking the opposite side of you, since you wont even entertain the notion that their is a second side.
---Don't you think if the actual planes from that day were still in service it would be very obvious to everyone? And would have been pointed out all over the media with full pictures?
If, and I am saying if, the government did plan this, don't you think the government would have every cover-up initaitve in place. Tapes disappeared, journalists were crucified credentially if they questioned the government immediately after the attacks.
[quote]
---Don't you think that all the people that were supposedly on the plane would still be alive somewhere? If the government had planned on the death of thousands of people at the WTC and Pentagon, what makes you think they would be abashed to killing the passengers on those planes.


---Don't you think that out of the hundreds of people cleaning up the Penn. site and the Pentagon site someone would have realized there was no plane parts and said something? You clearly didn't watch the video, at all, they do say just that. Also, high ranking Pentagon officials were the ones that noticed the cordite smell...


---Have you ever wondered why the government would fly 2 planes into the world trade center..........but when it comes to Penn. and the Pentagon they used something else for the destruction? Because the towers are highly visible and you can't sneak a military plane in their without it being suspicious...unlike the Pentagon. And the contention is that they used nothing but junkyard leftovers for the Penn one.

i highly doubt the majority of things in that movie are true but it makes u think
I wish I knew in detail where his sources came from...because then I could look further from it. It's defenitely eye oppening as a possibility

[preppyak]

Hahaha, what a reach. Just sit back, take off your Bush mask, and look at this objectively for 4.5 seconds. Anyone with ANY common sense can see that there are clearly some questions that have been overlooked and not answered. I'm not crying conspiracy, but there is clearly something going on here and its clearly POSSIBLE that there may have been some foul play in 9/11. We'll never know for sure what happened, but if you want to sit back and be fed every line of bullshit George W feeds you, then God bless your sorry soul.
Bingo, just how I would have wanted to say it

[preppyak]

Quotes can change through with added information. A weeks time is ample time to be recieve new info that may change the view of things.
Industrial science doesn't change in a week....for it to, one of two things had to happen.

1. He found out the company hackjobbed the Twin towers, gave them steel graded to below 1100 degrees and wanted to cover up his now accidental murder charges that would follow....which I don't think is the case.

2. He was coerced to change his mind

"Upon researching the movie, I began to think maybe it was true," he says."
So what makes you think his story is completely fictional then...he even mentions that his theory is rooted in research where he believes the conspiracy is true.

[Johnny_G]

Industrial science doesn't change in a week....for it to, one of two things had to happen.

1. He found out the company hackjobbed the Twin towers, gave them steel graded to below 1100 degrees and wanted to cover up his now accidental murder charges that would follow....which I don't think is the case.

2. He was coerced to change his mind
Exactly. You mean to tell me that the buildings fell under an hour after being hit? Not only that, how does the 2nd fall before the first? How do you explain the explosions reported from people around the scene? How do you explain WTC 7 falling with none of the buildings surrounding it falling as well? Experts put claims raising all of these questions, and suddenly they all had the "right" answers a week later.

[richter915]

So was heat applied to each weight bearing piece of steel in both towers enough for them to bend? Because a lot of steel and concrete just completely caved in as a freefall in like 9 seconds. No resistance at all.
the steel ur talking about is probably the ones lower down. Again basic physics here, if there's a lot of weight falling on something, regardless of the strength some of it will break/shatter.

[richter915]

Yes we can't forgot about the other buildings that have been on fire for hours and haven't fell becuase of melted steel. If the TCW feel because of Melted steel, they would the only two towers in the world(out of three) to have melted down like that. Just like the video said. They have everyhting covered.
I think the words "melted steel" should stop being used. If the towers were hit higher up, they would not have fallen completely. They were hit just low enough for the COMBINATION of several factors to bring it down.

[richter915]

It's so funny. If you noitce anything about conspiracy's they raise the difficult, hard to prove/disprove questions. They ignore the basic simple things and try to make things more confusing. This allows people who want to believe the conspiracy an excuse to believe it.

I mean, name me one good conspiracy that revolves around simple facts and evidence? Have you seen JFK?
that's how conspiracies are. They're supposed to look at little, minute details and make you think "wtf?". It is funny but it's also interesting to think about it. I mean, when it's a tragedy like this, it should be the government's responsibility to answer all the little points, right? but instead, we close research and info gathering on it in under five years.

It's not just the questions, it's how the questions are treated by officials that make people question further.

[richter915]

It's even says it in the conspiracy websites (http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060221124947144 ) themeselves.

"Around the same time, Dylan Avery was completing a job as a helper on the construction of a new restaurant for James Gandolfini. He tended bar at the opening party, and when he got a few minutes alone with the Sopranos actor, he said he'd thought he might like to direct films. "James said, 'If you want to be a successful director, you've got to have something you want to say to the whole world,' " Avery remembers. He set out to write a fictional story about discovering that 9-11 was an inside job. "Upon researching the movie, I began to think maybe it was true," he says."
I don't see that as evidence for him saying what he released was a work of fiction. You find me an official statement that says so, I'll believe you. From this quote here, I see that he INTENDED to do work with fiction but after doing his research found it to be more factual than anything else. I think that just strengthens the points in his arguments.

[richter915]

I'm just gunna say this. Not all documentaries are true. Just look at any Michael Moore film. He even admits to how biased and skewed he makes his films. They raise arousing points, but the points are raised to make you think one way, with little to combat the questions. Why wouldn't this be just like that?
"bias" does not equal "lie"

[richter915]

I've seen it before. A long time ago though. Since it wouldnt load I spent last night reading about what it contains, about the author, and from other sites.

It's one of quite a few conspiracy video's about 9/11. It was made by a movie maker who origianlly set out to make a fictional movie about how the government orchastrated 9/11. It doesnt answer basic questions..............what it does is suggest UNPROVEABLE things to avoid the basic questions (voice over from las alamos, etc.......).
the basics have already been covered, why should he go into questions that have clearly been answered (and wouldn't further his point)? It doesn't want info on unproveable/unanswerable things...well not entirely...but some things should be answered.

For example, the video tape of the gas station near the pentagon...that video has been confiscated...but all the video for the towers is still out. Why? Where is the video?...that's answerable don't you think?

[richter915]

Exactly. You mean to tell me that the buildings fell under an hour after being hit? Not only that, how does the 2nd fall before the first? How do you explain the explosions reported from people around the scene? How do you explain WTC 7 falling with none of the buildings surrounding it falling as well? Experts put claims raising all of these questions, and suddenly they all had the "right" answers a week later.
well, it's called research. Often times the answer right in your face...but in that week when the entire WORLD was focused on south NYC, people researched why the towers fell...it took a week to gather the info...his "opinion" didn't change because research (scientific research anyway) isn't about opinion...what happened is he went from saying things without research to realizing he was wrong thus causing him to change his words. He "saw the light" so to say.

[Johnny_G]

well, it's called research. Often times the answer right in your face...but in that week when the entire WORLD was focused on south NYC, people researched why the towers fell...it took a week to gather the info...his "opinion" didn't change because research (scientific research anyway) isn't about opinion...what happened is he went from saying things without research to realizing he was wrong thus causing him to change his words. He "saw the light" so to say.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[catscradle]

i'm just gunna throw this out there too.



We never landed on the moon...it was ALL fake!

[lfdfforever]

Man are goverment is shady.

[richter915]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.
uhm, no. It's not about whatever "helps me sleep"...it's about the facts ya know? How can people sit there being content when they believe in stuff that defies natural laws of science?

[richter915]

i'm just gunna throw this out there too.



We never landed on the moon...it was ALL fake!
stfu

[lfdfforever]

i'm just gunna throw this out there too.



We never landed on the moon...it was ALL fake! I agree

[richter915]

I agree
are you serious???

[lfdfforever]

well, it's called research. Often times the answer right in your face...but in that week when the entire WORLD was focused on south NYC, people researched why the towers fell...it took a week to gather the info...his "opinion" didn't change because research (scientific research anyway) isn't about opinion...what happened is he went from saying things without research to realizing he was wrong thus causing him to change his words. He "saw the light" so to say. The goverment told them what to say. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh$^%**

[lfdfforever]

are you serious??? maybe

[richter915]

The goverment told them what to say. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh$^%**
you can think that...but that's not the most logical thing to think...most people are convinced by scientific data...I don't see why everyone completely eliminates that option.

[lfdfforever]

I've been thinking the video is real and I would say it is real, George Bush is the worst leader we have ever had.

[lfdfforever]

you can think that...but that's not the most logical thing to think...most people are convinced by scientific data...I don't see why everyone completely eliminates that option. What scienific data? They said it was gascans in the kictchens. How much scienice do you think they used to get that answer?

[IAPAI]

you can think that...but that's not the most logical thing to think...most people are convinced by scientific data...I don't see why everyone completely eliminates that option.

Specifically, what scientific data are you referring to?

[catscradle]

stfu
I hope you are joking when you say that. I view both conspiricies in the same cup of tea. They arouse interesting points, BUT i don't believe either of them.

[richter915]

Specifically, what scientific data are you referring to?
I won't be able to either of you anything official (but hear me out)...the buildings go down yes yes...at first people are in shock...most are in disbelief including officials...after the wreckage is analyzed (I guess that's the most "data"...more like evidence)...they are able to learn more about how the buildings went down. In my opinion, that's more realistic than "the government told them to change their minds".

[richter915]

I hope you are joking when you say that. I view both conspiricies in the same cup of tea. They arouse interesting points, BUT i don't believe either of them.
No I'm not joking...you didn't sound like you didn't believe in it and knowing how many retards there are out there, I wouldn't be surprised if many believed in this. There're huge differences between some conspiracies...many of them have many unanswered questions...the moon landing conspiracy does not...science answers ALMOST every question thrown out there by conspiracy theorists.

[bigmike]

Man are goverment is shady.
*Our. The word is "our", not "are".

[richter915]

*Our. The word is "our", not "are".
you can start a thread on his spelling errors. It won't change a thing my friend.

[catscradle]

No I'm not joking...you didn't sound like you didn't believe in it and knowing how many retards there are out there, I wouldn't be surprised if many believed in this. There're huge differences between some conspiracies...many of them have many unanswered questions...the moon landing conspiracy does not...science answers ALMOST every question thrown out there by conspiracy theorists.
sarcasm is an amazing tool to make a point. i guess it wasn't clear enough with any of my other post on how i believe this idea is nothing but a conspiracy. To me the moon idea is just as retarded as the 9/11 claims. The claims are ridiculous, Oh! an eyewitness said that it sounded like a missile, or it smelled like a certain smell that bombs give off when detonated, or it didn't look like plane wreckage, or the steel wouldn't have melted. Anyone that knows a little about human pysche knows that eyewitness claims are about as good as dirt. The human mind skews many different things and perception can be altered fairly easily. Just take any social psych course. And if you still aren't convinced that these claims are ridiculous then read this article from popular mechanics i think it pretty much hits every claim and refutes them. The only claim it doesn't refute is the steel claim and thats b/c its basic science, so there was no need to waste their time and refute that ridiculous claim.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

so in your most humble words b/c i'm not joking now either you can

stfu.

[1Roth4]

im not going to read all these posts.... if you beleive any of that loose change shit.. you're a complete and utter idiot.

i love how everyone thinks this guy is a fucking genious... but for some reason NO NEWS stations of Media has picked up on it, or even questioned 9/11.

idiots

[catscradle]

im not going to read all these posts.... if you beleive any of that loose change shit.. you're a complete and utter idiot.

i love how everyone thinks this guy is a fucking genious... but for some reason NO NEWS stations of Media has picked up on it, or even questioned 9/11.

idiots
thank you.

[IAPAI]

im not going to read all these posts.... if you beleive any of that loose change shit.. you're a complete and utter idiot.

i love how everyone thinks this guy is a fucking genious... but for some reason NO NEWS stations of Media has picked up on it, or even questioned 9/11.

idiots

*genius

The FCC says that we have more media choices than ever before. But only a few corporations decide what we can choose. That is not choice. That's like a dictator deciding what candidates are allowed to stand for parliamentary elections, and then claiming that the people choose their leaders. Different voices do not mean different viewpoints, and these huge corporations all have the same viewpoint--they want to shape government policy in a way that helps them maximize profits, drive out competition, and keep getting bigger.
- taken from My Beef With Big Media: How government protects big media--and shuts out upstarts like me (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0407.turner.html) by Ted Turner (the founder of CNN and chairman of Turner Enterprises)

[nivek87]

i saw this the other night, very interesting


and for the people that open the thread and question people before watching it, do yourself a favor and....watch it!

[1Roth4]

i saw this the other night, very interesting


and for the people that open the thread and question people before watching it, do yourself a favor and....watch it!

im not going to lie... i laughed at the majority of it.

obviously 9/11 was tragic, and I didn't find that aspect humorus.... but really.... everyone sits here and analyzes who we should blame for 9/11... ok... the American government targets Bin Laden and his terrorist regime.. and everyone is all for it.... backing Bush to get redemption.... can't find him... no redemption.... ok... so then the war in Iraq.... was it just? who fucking cares.. is anything resolved.. no.... Soo... people are angry with the lack of production by the American government, and your first instinct is to question everything from the beginning... thats great... question your government... thats your god given right... but when people start coming out of propaghanda like this... its almost demoralizing.

people need to understand this about politics..
Everything takes time... its a big world, with plenty of 'fences to climb', the American faith after 9/11 was astonishing.. everyone pulled together as americans, to protect, and prove to the world that their liberal democracy is the way a country should be run.... where is that pride now?

give your head a shake and have faith in your government, and the media watch dogs... holy fuck... if it wasn't a plane that crashed into the pentagon, i'm pretty sure someone of the 1000 people recovering bodies, or repairing damage would have found out and leaked it to the press.......

not some high school punk doing a gr. 11 world issues project.

[IAPAI]

im not going to lie... i laughed at the majority of it.

obviously 9/11 was tragic, and I didn't find that aspect humorus.... but really.... everyone sits here and analyzes who we should blame for 9/11... ok... the American government targets Bin Laden and his terrorist regime.. and everyone is all for it.... backing Bush to get redemption.... can't find him... no redemption.... ok... so then the war in Iraq.... was it just? who fucking cares.. is anything resolved.. no.... Soo... people are angry with the lack of production by the American government, and your first instinct is to question everything from the beginning... thats great... question your government... thats your god given right... but when people start coming out of propaghanda like this... its almost demoralizing.

people need to understand this about politics..
Everything takes time... its a big world, with plenty of 'fences to climb', the American faith after 9/11 was astonishing.. everyone pulled together as americans, to protect, and prove to the world that their liberal democracy is the way a country should be run.... where is that pride now?

give your head a shake and have faith in your government, and the media watch dogs... holy fuck... if it wasn't a plane that crashed into the pentagon, i'm pretty sure someone of the 1000 people recovering bodies, or repairing damage would have found out and leaked it to the press.......

not some high school punk doing a gr. 11 world issues project.

I remember when you used to wear your John Kerry shirt with pride. :shake:
In my opinion, not enough people in this world question what they see going on around them. Even if they are inaccurate theories, they provoke thought and allow people to form their own opinions, rather than being spoon-fed what the government tells them.

By the way, a lot of media covered the big event the President held a few months ago on a military ship with a giant banner that read "Mission Accomplished" on it regarding the War in Iraq. Just because the media shows it, doesn't mean it's true, Rick.

[1Roth4]

I remember when you used to wear your John Kerry shirt with pride. :shake:
In my opinion, not enough people in this world question what they see going on around them. Even if they are inaccurate theories, they provoke thought and allow people to form their own opinions, rather than being spoon-fed what the government tells them.

By the way, a lot of media covered the big event the President held a few months ago on a military ship with a giant banner that read "Mission Accomplished" on it regarding the War in Iraq. Just because the media shows it, doesn't mean it's true, Rick.

your right i did wear a kerry shirt... to prevoke a rise out of my dad b/c he was so passionate about bush, and i really didn't care for either at the time.

like i said earlier.. i think its great to question what your government is doing.. because in a democracy it is our government, and shouldn't we question whats going on within it? definitly we should.... delivering a theory that blames the president of the united states for the murder of thousands of people in new york city and washington is not a theory worth displaying to anyone,... and the fact that people beleive this bullshit is disturbing.. you have it right.. think for yourself... don't take what this fucker has to say seriously... i think calling his theory inaccurate is an understatement....

as for the war in iraq... i think the whole mission accomplished thing was in regards to disabling the resistance.... not implimenting democracy into their beleifs... .that my fine sir.. is far from being accomplished.... so.. if people wanted to see a big sign that said mission accomplished to make them feel better... than thats what they got..... i think they're still not satisfied because their soldiers are still being shipped back to the United States in bodybags.... mission accomplished?? not quite.( i read your comment wrong.... so this probably is basically restating what you think)

[lfdfforever]

you can start a thread on his spelling errors. It won't change a thing my friend. Preach it brother.

[ClapClapSnap]

sarcasm is an amazing tool to make a point. i guess it wasn't clear enough with any of my other post on how i believe this idea is nothing but a conspiracy. To me the moon idea is just as retarded as the 9/11 claims. The claims are ridiculous, Oh! an eyewitness said that it sounded like a missile, or it smelled like a certain smell that bombs give off when detonated, or it didn't look like plane wreckage, or the steel wouldn't have melted. Anyone that knows a little about human pysche knows that eyewitness claims are about as good as dirt. The human mind skews many different things and perception can be altered fairly easily. Just take any social psych course. And if you still aren't convinced that these claims are ridiculous then read this article from popular mechanics i think it pretty much hits every claim and refutes them. The only claim it doesn't refute is the steel claim and thats b/c its basic science, so there was no need to waste their time and refute that ridiculous claim.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

so in your most humble words b/c i'm not joking now either you can

stfu.

wow i checked that site out...it makes me feel better there's another angle on this whole subject...

i'm not gonna get into how i look at everything that happened though...i'm not up for an argument


but yeah, thanks for the site

[richter915]

sarcasm is an amazing tool to make a point. i guess it wasn't clear enough with any of my other post on how i believe this idea is nothing but a conspiracy. To me the moon idea is just as retarded as the 9/11 claims. The claims are ridiculous, Oh! an eyewitness said that it sounded like a missile, or it smelled like a certain smell that bombs give off when detonated, or it didn't look like plane wreckage, or the steel wouldn't have melted. Anyone that knows a little about human pysche knows that eyewitness claims are about as good as dirt. The human mind skews many different things and perception can be altered fairly easily. Just take any social psych course. And if you still aren't convinced that these claims are ridiculous then read this article from popular mechanics i think it pretty much hits every claim and refutes them. The only claim it doesn't refute is the steel claim and thats b/c its basic science, so there was no need to waste their time and refute that ridiculous claim.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

so in your most humble words b/c i'm not joking now either you can

stfu.
ya ya ya stfu har har. Maybe make it clearer that you're being sarcastic, you must understand that it's hard to do it online (or maybe not?)...the reason I sit here and refute the steel melting thing is because so many people are arguing otherwise...so just cause popular mechanics doesn't do it means I can't? I don't have the background in physics to argue anything higher and since many here don't even acknowledge the basics why should I bother?

when was I ever joking? thanks for letting me know I can't do something I never intended on doing in the first place (that's sarcasm).

I feel that some conspiracies are far more rediculous than others. The moon is more absurd than the 9/11 stuff. Why? There's more "credible evidence" around 9/11 than the moon. Yes I agree that things like people seeing and hearing different things is total crap...but missing evidence, short research project...certain coverups...I think those are things worth exploring. Wasting time on what one guy said one week and then what he said the next is crap.

[preppyak]

The only claim it doesn't refute is the steel claim and thats b/c its basic science, so there was no need to waste their time and refute that ridiculous claim.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

Thank you for posting that, I had remembered reading something like this a little while back.

That answered about 2/3 of my questions..there are a few things that I still wonder about, but that helped me with a decent amount

[preppyak]

the reason I sit here and refute the steel melting thing is because so many people are arguing otherwise...so just cause popular mechanics doesn't do it means I can't? I don't have the background in physics to argue anything higher and since many here don't even acknowledge the basics why should I bother?
actually, it does refute the steel claim...it brings forth the fact that steel loses 50% of it's structural integrity at 1100 degrees (which plane fuel can do).

That's really all you need to see to understand how the building collapsed...I wonder about HOW it fell (implosion style), but the article in part answered that too

[FScott]

Film seems plausible to me.

[richter915]

actually, it does refute the steel claim...it brings forth the fact that steel loses 50% of it's structural integrity at 1100 degrees (which plane fuel can do).

That's really all you need to see to understand how the building collapsed...I wonder about HOW it fell (implosion style), but the article in part answered that too
I'm gonna go through the article soon, should be nice.

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

thanks titothepoolboy for posting this..... the vid was very interesting and I will always question 9/11 b/c of it.

the popular mechanics article is very interesting and it does make the collapsing of the towers make more sense. but still doesn't clear of some thing from the video about the pentagon (how the plane was "vaporized") or Flight 93 (the stop in Cleveland and the coroners orginal statement about "not a single drop of blood")

[Adeniz19]

half the people who are agreeing with this video can't even tell the difference between "are" and "our" and it's funny how many people are eating this up. Like someone said before, why have 2 planes crash in the trade centers and then FAKE 2 other plane crashes? He does raise some questions but you are all silly if you take this as factual evidence. There are alot of people who would love to see Bush out of office and if half of this video was true don't you think there would be an outcry of people trying to impeach his ass or something? You are all giving this video way too much credit.

[bigmike]

half the people who are agreeing with this video can't even tell the difference between "are" and "our" and it's funny how many people are eating this up. Like someone said before, why have 2 planes crash in the trade centers and then FAKE 2 other plane crashes? He does raise some questions but you are all silly if you take this as factual evidence. There are alot of people who would love to see Bush out of office and if half of this video was true don't you think there would be an outcry of people trying to impeach his ass or something? You are all giving this video way too much credit.
not to mention some people spelling it "Al Quida".
I don't think this is 100% fact, but it does raise some interesting points. Does that mean I believe it? no, not necessarily.

[preppyak]

I'm gonna go through the article soon, should be nice.
It refutes a lot of stuff, with solid scientific founding...I think they take a stretch or two as well, but overall it's very solid.

It definitely answered my steel question...though I still wonder about the Pentagon

[richter915]

It refutes a lot of stuff, with solid scientific founding...I think they take a stretch or two as well, but overall it's very solid.

It definitely answered my steel question...though I still wonder about the Pentagon
word, most of my questions are about what happened at the pentagon. There's no arguing what happened at the towers.

[catscradle]

word, most of my questions are about what happened at the pentagon. There's no arguing what happened at the towers.
Here you go then.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

[richter915]

Here you go then.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
that's a great website I've used it before for debunking myths but I don't think it did a substantial job with this one. I really need to see some of the numbers. Their main reasons for the lack of damage was the plane moving slower, hitting the ground first (thus losing much of it's energy)...and the fact that there were reinforcements placed in the area.

Now, if I were a true conspiracy theorists...I'd "hypothesize" that the gov't purposely had the reinforcements put in because they plotted the attack and they didn't want too much damage being done the pentagon...the towers didn't need the reinforcements because the gov't wanted it to go down for symbolic purposes.

I would like to know some of the dimensions. I don't know much about how planes work but I'd think that one, it'd be very very hard for terrorists (who learned to fly from books mostly) could get the plane to that low of a level to hit the towers like so. The height of a 747 is approx 44 feet...the pentagon from ground to top is about 80 feet. The info all there says the ground floor was hit between first and second floor which lines up with the info. So for a plane of that size to get to that height would require one: a lot of training...I dunno...from what we are told the terrorists didn't have much...second: a lot of room. Just think about it. This thing is huge, right? So to hit it straight on it would need a lot of room and have to slow down. Now let's say it comes down at an angle...well one they said it knocked down lamp posts and stuff so it probably didn't...but if it did the damage wouldn't be the way it was and it couldn't have hit the ground first.

I dunno, just a thought.

[richter915]

"Demolition expert Romero regrets that his comments to the Albuquerque Journal became fodder for conspiracy theorists. "I was misquoted in saying that I thought it was explosives that brought down the building," he tells PM. "I only said that that's what it looked like."

Romero, who agrees with the scientific conclusion that fire triggered the collapses, demanded a retraction from the Journal. It was printed Sept. 22, 2001. "I felt like my scientific reputation was on the line." But emperors-clothes.com saw something else: "The paymaster of Romero's research institute is the Pentagon. Directly or indirectly, pressure was brought to bear, forcing Romero to retract his original statement." Romero responds: "Conspiracy theorists came out saying that the government got to me. That is the farthest thing from the truth. This has been an albatross around my neck for three years.""

this justifies some of what I was saying earlier. It's not necessarily the government forcing scientists to "change" their opinions...they were often misquoted...or they misspoke...or they just didn't have all the proper info until later. But thinking that it was Dubya and the Gang helps some people sleep at night, whatever.

[TitoThePoolBoy]

i took my blog down because it seemed to offend a lot of people i know. like i said from the very beginning, i'm not sure how much of it i believe, however, the video definitely poses some interesting questions which have yet to be answered.

p.s. the best rebuttle to the film is the question of why they would fake two plane crashes when they obviously were not afraid to crash real planes into the wtc. very good point.

[richter915]

i took my blog down because it seemed to offend a lot of people i know. like i said from the very beginning, i'm not sure how much of it i believe, however, the video definitely poses some interesting questions which have yet to be answered.

p.s. the best rebuttle to the film is the question of why they would fake two plane crashes when they obviously were not afraid to crash real planes into the wtc. very good point.
ya definitely. And how about the question, where are all the passengers? Many say the gov't just killed them all off...sigh.

I don't see why you took it down...controversy is the point of it, right? Put it back up.

[sweethypocrisy]

im not going to read all these posts.... if you beleive any of that loose change shit.. you're a complete and utter idiot.

i love how everyone thinks this guy is a fucking genious... but for some reason NO NEWS stations of Media has picked up on it, or even questioned 9/11.

idiots
if the media brought something like this to public attention, everyone's world would be flipped upside down and torn asunder, the bubbles of false safety and ignorance people live in would be popped, do you really think if the government had a conspiracy that involved taking hundreds of thousands of lives (9/11 and the wars ensuing), they would let ANYONE with any credibility and reputation alert the masses?

[cal1082]

if the media brought something like this to public attention, everyone's world would be flipped upside down and torn asunder, the bubbles of false safety and ignorance people live in would be popped, do you really think if the government had a conspiracy that involved taking hundreds of thousands of lives (9/11 and the wars ensuing), they would let ANYONE with any credibility and reputation alert the masses?

i'd draw your attention to whitewater. it's obviously not on the scale as killing thousands would be, but it would have still led to the downfall of an administration and possible imprisonment of a US President.

Also you'd have to assume that everyone in the administration that was aware of the conspiracy was accepting enough to be willing to keep quite now 5 or 6 years.

[sweethypocrisy]

i'd draw your attention to whitewater. it's obviously not on the scale as killing thousands would be, but it would have still led to the downfall of an administration and possible imprisonment of a US President.

Also you'd have to assume that everyone in the administration that was aware of the conspiracy was accepting enough to be willing to keep quite now 5 or 6 years.
yeah. im not taking sides on the issue, i was just making a point.

[richter915]

i'd draw your attention to whitewater. it's obviously not on the scale as killing thousands would be, but it would have still led to the downfall of an administration and possible imprisonment of a US President.

Also you'd have to assume that everyone in the administration that was aware of the conspiracy was accepting enough to be willing to keep quite now 5 or 6 years.
hah, people will do a lot for the Benjamins...come on cal, you know about late 90s rape...it's all about the Benjamins.

[catscradle]

bump.

since there has been so much controversy over this subject as of late i think this thread needs a bump.

[ilovegeeks]

I've seen that before, and I truly believe its fishy...but I also have to wonder how its possible? I know the government has power and everything, but, oh...

Its just hard to fathom, is all.

[aaronstanton]

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