View Full Version : Bonds Sues. Still Won't Admit It's False.
Jason Tate
03/24/06, 10:55 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2381381
fromwithin
03/24/06, 10:58 AM
of course not, cause he'll just get more money from this lawsuit. I can't wait til he gets exposed.
Caleb Cattivera
03/24/06, 11:04 AM
too bad bonds cant be a man and admit he did it. giambi did, put it behind him, and had a great season last year.
NetNerdsRevenge
03/24/06, 11:07 AM
Thats good, sue the paper in the town you play for. They'll be sure to write a nice article about you next time.
LeftWideOpen
03/24/06, 11:14 AM
all this does is help the authors out. the book will get even more attention.
also, it's interesting that they are suing for rights to the profits in response to the authors obtaining grand jury testimony, rather than a suit based upon some sort of defamation of character. that action, in itself, is almost an admission of guilt. it's basically "we can't prove you lied so we'll take your money instead".
too bad bonds cant be a man and admit he did it. giambi did, put it behind him, and had a great season last year.
you do realize giambi admitted nothing? he held a press conference and said he was sorry. he never said what it was for, because the boss would have cut him.
i'm serious. go back and find any article from that press conference that said he admitted to using steroids.
LeftWideOpen
03/24/06, 11:28 AM
you do realize giambi admitted nothing? he held a press conference and said he was sorry. he never said what it was for, because the boss would have cut him.
i'm serious. go back and find any article from that press conference that said he admitted to using steroids.
yep. i hate all this sympathy people have for giambi ...he still cheated the entire game and profited because of it. it's too bad penalties can't be assessed for past users because they all deserved to be banned from the game.
it's understandable to have more respect for giambi than bonds because he isn't blatantly lying, but his "admissions" aren't anything to admire either. he still had a hand in ruining the game.
RockVocalPower
03/24/06, 11:31 AM
The best part about this is that since it's a libel case, Barry has to prove that the allegations are false. The authors don't have to present anything. Barry won't win.
Bonds has never tested positive for steroids. Ever. What do they have on him other there heresay?
LeftWideOpen
03/24/06, 11:33 AM
The best part about this is that since it's a libel case, Barry has to prove that the allegations are false. The authors don't have to present anything. Barry won't win.
according to that report, it isn't a libel case. that's why i find this suit to be very stupid ..he isnt disputing the allegations, just the methods in which they got there information (grand jury testimony). it's like he's admitting guilt.
Jason Tate
03/24/06, 12:03 PM
Bonds has never tested positive for steroids. Ever. What do they have on him other there heresay?
LOL. A LOT.
bigmike
03/24/06, 12:47 PM
the legal analyst on espn said that this is ridiculous.
Bonds has never tested positive for steroids. Ever. What do they have on him other there heresay?
that because they weren't testing for the stuff balco was suppyling. bonds sucks, end of argument.
LeftWideOpen
03/24/06, 01:02 PM
bonds injunction was denied by a judge. HAHA
that because they weren't testing for the stuff balco was suppyling. bonds sucks, end of argument.
And they should. I agree. I don't think it's fair someone who may have cheated for the majority of his career to surpass records of the past.
LOL. A LOT.
Like what? That's 100% proven, I mean.
dai the flu
03/25/06, 07:57 PM
i havent read this book. i dont know all the facts. so maybe somebody can enlighten me. how exactly did barry bonds cheat? and i want facts.
Caleb Cattivera
03/25/06, 07:58 PM
i havent read this book. i dont know all the facts. so maybe somebody can enlighten me. how exactly did barry bonds cheat? and i want facts.
are you another idiot saying he didnt?
i hope not.
dai the flu
03/25/06, 08:05 PM
ok. prove me wrong. yeah, he's bigger now than he was 15 years ago. big fucking deal. you can bulk up legitimately you know. its called weights/exercise/hard work.
preppyak
03/25/06, 08:11 PM
ok. prove me wrong. yeah, he's bigger now than he was 15 years ago. big fucking deal. you can bulk up legitimately you know. its called weights/exercise/hard work. Normally I would agree with you on that logic...
But everyone who "bulked" up in that same time frame has been found out for steriods...Palmiero and Giambi specifically come to mind as people who got caught. The rest, McGwire, etc got out of the limelight before they drew the heat...their time for questioning will come when they are up for the HOF
There are far too many "coincidences" in this case that much steroid use norms...and since the man is challenging for the all time Home Run record, he deserves to be questioned on his legitimacy.
"Proof" to me in this case is connecting the dots...you can't retroactively test for substances that they didn't know existed. Head bigger, injury typical to steroid users, about 1000 books/articles saying he did...and him hiding from it makes it even worse
bigmike
03/25/06, 09:34 PM
Normally I would agree with you on that logic...
But everyone who "bulked" up in that same time frame has been found out for steriods...Palmiero and Giambi specifically come to mind as people who got caught. The rest, McGwire, etc got out of the limelight before they drew the heat...their time for questioning will come when they are up for the HOF
There are far too many "coincidences" in this case that much steroid use norms...and since the man is challenging for the all time Home Run record, he deserves to be questioned on his legitimacy.
"Proof" to me in this case is connecting the dots...you can't retroactively test for substances that they didn't know existed. Head bigger, injury typical to steroid users, about 1000 books/articles saying he did...and him hiding from it makes it even worse
my thoughts exactly.
Emopunkthrice
03/25/06, 09:36 PM
I congratulate you for 30th bonds thread in the past 2 weeks
imirish06
03/26/06, 01:02 AM
ok. prove me wrong. yeah, he's bigger now than he was 15 years ago. big fucking deal. you can bulk up legitimately you know. its called weights/exercise/hard work.
If you knew anything about bodybuilding you'd prove yourself wrong.
You do not put on the amount of muscle in a year like he did, at his age without the use of illegal drugs. It just doesn't happen. HGH levels decrease at an entirely too low of a level at that age to gain 30lbs of muscle in the time frame he had done it in.
It's so obvious to anyone who has used steroids/hgh, knows people who have used steroids/hgh, or have researched steroids/hgh that he's done them. Go on any bodybuilding site on the internet, goto their forum, goto the anabolics section and ask if they think he's done them. You'd probably be greeted with some clever internet graphic showing your ignorance and showing their annoyance of a question like that even being asked there like most internet forum users usually do when an obvious question is asked.
Bottom line, Barry Bonds has used anabolic steroids and HGH.
Frank Giaramita
03/26/06, 01:07 AM
Yes, it was never proven Bonds did steroids, but I don't give a shit. You'd have to be completely blind and oblivious to not say to yourself "There's no fucking way he DIDN'T do steroids". Anybody with even the most basic understanding of how the human body works, looks ,and functions should be able to instantly conclude his use of steroids... even someone who doesn't watch baseball could be able tell.
imirish06
03/26/06, 01:07 AM
Yes, it was never proven Bonds did steroids, but I don't give a shit. You'd have to be completely blind and oblivious to logic and reasoning not to say to yourself "There's no fucking way he DIDN'T do steroids". Anyone who has even the most basic understanding of how the human body works, looks and functions should be able to instantly conclude his use of steroids... even someone who doesn't watch baseball could be able tell.
boom
yep. i hate all this sympathy people have for giambi ...he still cheated the entire game and profited because of it. it's too bad penalties can't be assessed for past users because they all deserved to be banned from the game.
it's understandable to have more respect for giambi than bonds because he isn't blatantly lying, but his "admissions" aren't anything to admire either. he still had a hand in ruining the game.
i know I'm a yankee fan, and obviously have some bias, but hear me out.
i'm not defending what giambi did, at all, and i don't even really like giambi. HOWEVER, i don't hate him nearly as much as I do Bonds, because giambi won't retire with the two biggest records in baseball.
i don't debate that all of these guys should be banned from the game.
asianxcore
03/26/06, 06:52 AM
Yes, it was never proven Bonds did steroids, but I don't give a shit. You'd have to be completely blind and oblivious to not say to yourself "There's no fucking way he DIDN'T do steroids". Anybody with even the most basic understanding of how the human body works, looks ,and functions should be able to instantly conclude his use of steroids... even someone who doesn't watch baseball could be able tell.
Bonds played by the rules that were in place at the time. If a speed limit on a street is lowered the people that drove on it previously at the higher limit are not speeders.So why is Barry a cheater?
preppyak
03/26/06, 09:04 AM
Bonds played by the rules that were in place at the time. If a speed limit on a street is lowered the people that drove on it previously at the higher limit are not speeders.So why is Barry a cheater?
Interesting analogy, but I think it avoids the main issue.
They were coming up with various steroid forms that couldn't be tested yet, not coming up with substances that weren't steroids. It's not like the decided later on to ban these substances (McGuire comes to mind with what he was taking, Andro was banned in years afterwards), the steroids we are all assuming he was taking were still illegal by Baseball rules, they just didn't know they existed.
Your agrument seems more like flying through that neighborhood at 55, when the new speed limit is 25, and trying to claim to the cop that you didn't know because last you checked it was 55.
histrionics22
03/26/06, 09:14 AM
Bonds played by the rules that were in place at the time. If a speed limit on a street is lowered the people that drove on it previously at the higher limit are not speeders.So why is Barry a cheater?
Dude its an unwritten rule. Its ruining the integrity of the game. By your logic the people that drove at that speed shouldn't be able to slow down. Since Bonds cant jsut reverse the effects of steroids, why should these speeders be able to slow down.
Also by saying this, you are admitting you agree Binds took steroids.
imirish06
03/26/06, 09:18 AM
Bonds played by the rules that were in place at the time. If a speed limit on a street is lowered the people that drove on it previously at the higher limit are not speeders.So why is Barry a cheater?
When you inject illegal drugs into your body that result in ridiculous amounts of muscle growth, bone growth, and abnormal strength. That is cheating, regardless of what baseball says. Anabolic steroids have been outlawed for ages, who gives a fuck if Baseball doesn't inforce them or not? Besides, didn't someone already post an article stating that Steroids were banned from baseball in 1993?
The only reason the ass didn't get caught is because using masking agents.
preppyak
03/26/06, 09:23 AM
The only reason the ass didn't get caught is because using masking agents.
yeah, that's what I was looking for earlier
NetNerdsRevenge
03/26/06, 01:27 PM
Bonds played by the rules that were in place at the time. If a speed limit on a street is lowered the people that drove on it previously at the higher limit are not speeders.So why is Barry a cheater?
Congress passed a law in the 70's banning steroids and MLB passed a law in the early 90's banning steroids.
Bonds played by the rules that were in place at the time. If a speed limit on a street is lowered the people that drove on it previously at the higher limit are not speeders. So why is Barry a cheater?Thats a good analogy but illegal steroids are A LOT different than doing 45 in a 30.
Yes, it was never proven Bonds did steroids, but I don't give a shit. You'd have to be completely blind and oblivious to not say to yourself "There's no fucking way he DIDN'T do steroids". Anybody with even the most basic understanding of how the human body works, looks ,and functions should be able to instantly conclude his use of steroids... even someone who doesn't watch baseball could be able tell.I agree. I'd just like to see some facts.
Johnny Drama
03/27/06, 01:37 AM
if it's illegal in AMERICA, then it's illegal in baseball. PERIOD.
Frank Giaramita
03/27/06, 02:00 AM
I agree. I'd just like to see some facts.
How can you prove such a thing? There's a justification/answer for every single scenario, unless of course someone gets it on tape... which is completely unrealistic. There's the typical blanket statement: "Well, I might've taken them, not knowing what I was taking."...it's just absurd. This is enough proof for me
Undated
http://espanol.geocities.com/bjarteaga2004/img/barry_bonds.JPG
http://www.magoosbaseballcards.com/images/B.Bonds87ToppRC.jpg
http://www.fsu.edu/~crimdo/images/pirates/bonds.jpg
http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2004/12/03/mn_bonds_001_cag.jpg
http://www.femmefan.com/site/images/featurepics/04_05Season/barry_bonds_muscle_man.jpg
Frank Giaramita
03/27/06, 02:19 AM
Bonds played by the rules that were in place at the time. If a speed limit on a street is lowered the people that drove on it previously at the higher limit are not speeders.So why is Barry a cheater?
... by the RULES!? This extends FAR beyond the "rules", it's against the LAW to inject yourself with illegal steroids, whether you're a baseball player, a wrestler, a construction worker or an actress. That's like saying "well, the baseball rules don't state that it's against the law for him stab his fellow players, so therefore he didn't do anything wrong". Whatever laws apply to the real world, apply to any major athlete in any major sporting event, on top of the rules of the game.
bigmike
03/27/06, 02:29 AM
honestly this topic has been beaten to death enough. Bonds supporters want a positive test and bonds haters want his career to end before this baseball season. there's no sense in having more threads where people can just post different analogies to try to apply a sport/entertainment/game to a real life senario. It's ridiculous.
asianxcore
03/27/06, 05:42 AM
honestly this topic has been beaten to death enough. Bonds supporters want a positive test and bonds haters want his career to end before this baseball season. there's no sense in having more threads where people can just post different analogies to try to apply a sport/entertainment/game to a real life senario. It's ridiculous.
agreed
agreed
haha coming from the kid who started the speed limit analogy.
I feel like these threads wouldn't be so common if all the bonds fans here didn't act like he hasn't done anything wrong.
asianxcore
03/27/06, 06:30 AM
haha coming from the kid who started the speed limit analogy.
I feel like these threads wouldn't be so common if all the bonds fans here didn't act like he hasn't done anything wrong.
ive fought the fight many times, im running out of things to say
Katie Schmitz
03/27/06, 06:32 AM
why won't he just give up? ugh, bonds is such a moron.
aminorthreat55
03/27/06, 07:05 AM
... by the RULES!? This extends FAR beyond the "rules", it's against the LAW to inject yourself with illegal steroids, whether you're a baseball player, a wrestler, a construction worker or an actress. That's like saying "well, the baseball rules don't state that it's against the law for him stab his fellow players, so therefore he didn't do anything wrong". Whatever laws apply to the real world, apply to any major athlete in any major sporting event, on top of the rules of the game.
Frank, you're forgetting that we live in America, the land where the more famous you are, the less the law applies to you.
ive fought the fight many times, im running out of things to say
try this... "Bonds OBVIOUSLY cheated, and it sucks for everyone that loves the game of baseball that he will hold the 2 most important records when he retires."
when i hear that i'll never mention him again on this site.
asianxcore
03/27/06, 07:57 AM
So have we switched from Bonds cheating to he was just doing something illegal? The book is trying to prove he cheated, thats what im defending.
preppyak
03/27/06, 08:02 AM
So have we switched from Bonds cheating to he was just doing something illegal? The book is trying to prove he cheated, thats what im defending. They are synonyms in this case. There is no splitting hairs there.
Using steroids is illegal...which is cheating, using an illegal/banned substance to enhance your performance.
Look to this:
Congress passed a law in the 70's banning steroids and MLB passed a law in the early 90's banning steroids.
MLB didn't even need to pass by-laws stating that anabolic steroids weren't allowed, the US already had that law. QUite frankly, this case shouldn't be about Bond's status in baseball, but in the court of US law.
Taking Steroids is Illegal and Is Cheating....
How can you prove such a thing? There's a justification/answer for every single scenario, unless of course someone gets it on tape... which is completely unrealistic. There's the typical blanket statement: "Well, I might've taken them, not knowing what I was taking."...it's just absurd.
Frank I wholeheartedly agree. I'm saying for the people who don't believe it, or support Bonds, I want evidence proving them wrong. I guess I wasn't clear.
So have we switched from Bonds cheating to he was just doing something illegal? The book is trying to prove he cheated, thats what im defending.
Doing something illegal IS cheating.
Frank, you're forgetting that we live in America, the land where the more famous you are, the less the law applies to you.
Sad, but true.
try this... "Bonds OBVIOUSLY cheated, and it sucks for everyone that loves the game of baseball that he will hold the 2 most important records when he retires."
when i hear that i'll never mention him again on this site.
It's a shame. I think the worst part is that he may never actually test positive, leaving it up in the air for years to come.
preppyak
03/27/06, 08:07 AM
It's a shame. I think the worst part is that he may never actually test positive, leaving it up in the air for years to come.
No doubt...I'm willing to bet he would be willing to spend the better part of his salary to mask any chance of him getting caught.
If he has stopped, I don't know how long it takes or even if it clears your system, but I'd be really suprised if he ever gets caught
asianxcore
03/27/06, 08:11 AM
They are synonyms in this case. There is no splitting hairs there.
Using steroids is illegal...which is cheating, using an illegal/banned substance to enhance your performance.
Look to this:
MLB didn't even need to pass by-laws stating that anabolic steroids weren't allowed, the US already had that law. QUite frankly, this case shouldn't be about Bond's status in baseball, but in the court of US law.
Taking Steroids is Illegal and Is Cheating....
But the MLB did not make it illegal until after he said he had used it, he told congress he used THG and they didnt do anything. THG was not banned until late 2003 by the FDA, so it was LEGAL before.
ActorInThisPlay
03/27/06, 08:49 AM
honestly this topic has been beaten to death enough. Bonds supporters want a positive test and bonds haters want his career to end before this baseball season. there's no sense in having more threads where people can just post different analogies to try to apply a sport/entertainment/game to a real life senario. It's ridiculous.
seriously, that's why I am staying out of this
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