A Worthy Call to Arms

[Jason Tate]

Edit: I just received this email from info@mydeathspace.com (info@mydeathspace.com), "Her profile will be removed this evening. Thanks." Thank you to everyone who wrote in - they wouldn't listen to one or two people, but they apparently listen when a whole lot of people get involved. Thank you again.

This website (http://www.mydeathspace.com/deaths.aspx?ctl00_MainContent_Weblo gs1_page=2&ctl00_MainContent_Weblogs1_show=cb0 e2850-6c08-4945-99e9-7abba6e9371a) was recently brought to my attention by Andy of The Junior Varsity (http://www.absolutepunk.net/thejuniorvarsity). Not only is this an incredibly morbid page to begin with, but their attempt to make money off of this makes me sick to my stomach. Andy (as well as myself, and a bunch of others) have tried to get Olamide removed from the page. Andy's email asking for her removal was responded to with curse words. They've ignored me so far; therefore, I'm asking that anyone who wishes, please contact them (http://www.mydeathspace.com/contact.aspx) and ask for Olamide to be removed. There are plenty of tribute sites out there, and this is not one of them. Furthermore, while they continue to delete comments on the page asking for her to be removed - it can't hurt to leave a comment as well. Thank you.

[TripleW24]

that is fucking terrible. who would ever make a site like that?

[itmakesyoufeel]

God, that's terrible. It makes me sick that people have lost so much respect for each other.

[Drew Beringer]

This world disgusts me.

[dashboard1190]

that's disgusting.

[shane hennessey]

waht a terrible site

[enj0i29]

waiiiiiit.....wha?

[indie_ira]

everything about that website is absolutely horrible.

[enj0i29]

call me retarded, but what the fuck is going on at this site? Just showing people who died that had a MySpace?

[grnweenieag]

That site is absolutely terrible and disgusting.

[Brandn3w]

what douche bags

[seancoia]

wow that is awful.

[Ruggiero2oo8]

thats just wrong...disgusting.

[matt_rawlings]

what the fuck is wrong with some people?

[splatoutofluck]

yeah they deleted my comment the other day...its pretty fuckin low what they're doing

[drugs!]

how much different is that from any obituary page

[fairview00]

thats fucking horrible.

[shwagtm]

i hope that instead of just commenting this thread you guys are actually clicking "contact them"

its not like you even have to provide a valid email or name... all you have to do is fill out the box telling the guy how sick he is and that just because the information is "public" does not mean what he is doing is "ok"

please guys we need his inbox to be flooded.

[shwagtm]

how much different is that from any obituary page

because hes being paid for advertising and allowing people to post any comments they want. technically is legal but that doesnt make it ok.

[Jason Tate]

how much different is that from any obituary page
Correct me if I'm wrong, but obituaries are usually written and are sanctioned by the family and loved ones of the deceased. This was neither, and the principle of the thing is - respect for the passed, and respect for those having to live with the burden of losing a loved one - every single day.

[ThatGirl]

how much different is that from any obituary page
its complete exploitation of someones death. obituary pages are made so that people get the information of that death. and then its gone after two days or so. this is like just sick.

[enj0i29]

ohhhhhhh, now i get it.
That shit is fucked up. The guy who made this should be shot.

[Save my day]

It is wrong, but is also their right to free speech.

[Ryan Imhof]

people are sick.

[StevevetS]

Lets make sure they take it down and arent just saying this to shut us up for the time being. Id like to see some kind of update tomorrow or Wednesday confirming that its been taken down ya know?

[Cocaine&Whiskey]

I think its awesome that all of this got Olamides profile removed, but there are a lot of other people on that site with families. I wish there was some way to get the whole site shut down.

[Drew Beringer]

It is wrong, but is also their write to free speech.

*right

[TyroneShoolaces]

Freedom Of Speech.

[tommyhaych]

the sites gone down for the moment, says 'service unavailable'.

[robhimself]

i read in the topic where jason said it makes him sick to see this done and i thought, it can't be that bad.... and then i clicked the link...... saying it makes you sick to your stomach is about the least you can say (he definately held his tongue). this goes beyond having respect for the dead, have respect for there families and people who still are here missing that person.

i also just read they're removing her from the site which is great news and thank you to everyone who helped reach that goal, but i really wish the site would get shut down. maybe we don't know the other people on that site but its the same principle.

[Jason Tate]

Lets make sure they take it down and arent just saying this to shut us up for the time being. Id like to see some kind of update tomorrow or Wednesday confirming that its been taken down ya know?
I'll make sure to check back on it - and if it's not down, I'll repost.

[tommyhaych]

also, this image is just bad taste (top corner).

http://www.mydeathspace.com/WebLogs/FTBGallery/2005/11/JoshBallard2copy-vi.jpg

[dashboard1190]

Edit: I just received this email from info@mydeathspace.com (info@mydeathspace.com), "Her profile will be removed this evening. Thanks." Thank you to everyone who wrote in - they wouldn't listen to one or two people, but they apparently listen when a whole lot of people get involved. Thank you again.

I'm glad. Why would someone post a murder like that on the internet?

[Jason Tate]

Freedom Of Speech.
I am one of the most staunch supporters of "freedom of speech" - yet I am also a human being who looks at my fellow human race as respectful. It's not a free speech matter to me, it's a respect matter for those who were directly affected by this tragedy. IMO: It's an exploitation of their pain for money. When her boyfriend wants it removed, I am in no position to argue "freedom of speech" at all, and in fact I would hate myself for even thinking along those lines instead of respect for my friend's wishes..

[TyroneShoolaces]

i dont care how disgusting it is.
i'm actually pissed off that nobody is defending the freedom of speech.

everytime somebody says something that you dont like, you dont have the right to censor them.


(yea it's a sick page, but it shouldnt be taken down. i'm not defending thier actions, just thier right to say it)

[audiolove]

i read in the topic where jason said it makes him sick to see this done and i thought, it can't be that bad.... and then i clicked the link...... saying it makes you sick to your stomach is about the least you can say (he definately held his tongue). this goes beyond having respect for the dead, have respect for there families and people who still are here missing that person.

i also just read they're removing her from the site which is great news and thank you to everyone who helped reach that goal, but i really wish the site would get shut down. maybe we don't know the other people on that site but its the same principle.

ditto, i found out about this earlier thru myspace bulletins and it just made me ill. it may be freedom of speech, but this is the utter lack of respect for everyone that was ever connected to any of the people featured on the site. and to think they are making money off of the site and that people actually enjoy going to it? to say i'm disturbed is an understatement.

[kallok]

I really don't see what is wrong with it. I actually was thinking it was going to be a page that featured people who were murdered by meeting people off of myspace or whatever.

[Jason Tate]

i dont care how disgusting it is.
i'm actually pissed off that nobody is defending the freedom of speech.

everytime somebody says something that you dont like, you dont have the right to censor them.


(yea it's a sick page, but it shouldnt be taken down. i'm not defending thier actions, just thier right to say it)
No one is saying it's illegal, no one is saying they don't have technically every right (as far as I know) to do exactly what they are doing ... I just think that if/when a member of the deceased family or close friend asks for it to be taken down, it should be. Why? First, because I don't believe in the exploitation of the dead for money. People have the right to do all sorts of evil and twisted things in this world, that doesn't mean you have to do it. I don't think that asking for respect to be shown in this particular matter is, in any way, a contradiction to my own support of free speech. I instead think it's 100% out of respect to Andy and those who loved and knew Ola.

[The Revisionist]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but obituaries are usually written and are sanctioned by the family and loved ones of the deceased. This was neither, and the principle of the thing is - respect for the passed, and respect for those having to live with the burden of losing a loved one - every single day.But looking at a lot of these profiles of the ones that have died, they are just basically posting the write-ups from newspaper articles, as well as the link to the article itself. It's true they do ask for advertisements, but so do newspapers themselves... in a twisted way it is a very similar situation. I can see linking to the victim's Myspace page being somewhat exploitative, but I see so many websites providing links to profiles of washed-up celebs/musicians/whatever, and that is still looking into people's private lives to be "entertained".

I do agree, though, that if a loved one of the victim registers a complaint, they have a moral obligation to take it down.

[tommyhaych]

I feel bad for doing this, but I looked at a couple of the people's myspace pages and some of the tributes there are seriously heartfelt.

[fugitive_alien]

that site is fucked up. it gives me chills.
Just a listing of people's names and link wouldn't be so bad. But i don't see the need in putting how the person died.

[Jason Tate]

But looking at a lot of these profiles of the ones that have died, they are just basically posting the write-ups from newspaper articles, as well as the link to the article itself. It's true they do ask for advertisements, but so do newspapers themselves... in a twisted way it is a very similar situation. I can see linking to the victim's Myspace page being somewhat exploitative, but I see so many websites providing links to profiles of washed-up celebs/musicians/whatever, and that is still looking into people's private lives to be "entertained".

I do agree, though, that if a loved one of the victim registers a complaint, they have a moral obligation to take it down.
I think (again, this is rudimentary law courses I took in college kicking in - correct me if I'm wrong) that "celebrities" and their lives are held on a completely different level when it comes to their exploitation etc.. I'm not (and never was) arguing any sort of "illegal" activity was going on here .. just the simple horror that someone like Andy would have to endure (again) by seeing a page like this with a title such as was under her picture.

That's all .. if it was a tribute to her, it'd be one thing - but the way it's presented can only leave the visitor with a bitter taste in their mouth. That's just my opinion on the matter - and I hope others feel the same.

[bigmike]

wow. just wow. what a terrible fucking site.

[myjokesmakeucry]

so i am the only one who finds the site interesting. i have thought before about people who have died that have myspace accounts. but whatever sites like rotten.com are disgusting at least this isnt showing dismembered bodies, but what do i know. i wish that website had more balls and would keep the profile up the site is not doing anything illegal if you dont like it simply do not go to the website. but ap.net you just gave this website so much more publicity. otherwise iw ould of never ever known about the site
so good job

[overoverme]

I love that site, but when I saw her name pop up I felt that it was just a little inappropriate.

Most (if not all) of the people put up there were not murdered.
Tons of car accidents...suicides...etc but not many murders.
They do put murderers myspaces up though.

I remember when people posted her myspace, everyone said things like 'shes so pretty, why did she have to die? she seemed like such a nice person, etc'
It was far from the usual negative comments left for people on the site.

I support removing her entry, and whoever runs that site is NOT MAKING MONEY OFF OF IT.
They are getting destroyed bandwidthwise and they need to pay for their servers.

All they are doing is posting links to publically available information and allowing people to comment on it.
They are free to leave her's up, but I would hope they take her's down.

[TyroneShoolaces]

i watch the news at night and hear about people dying.
they make a ton of money off of it.
what's the difference?

news shouldnt report people's deaths out of respect for the family?

[Sureshot182]

people like this will pay on judgement day. touche scum.

[domesticyeti]

disgusting.

[Jason Tate]

so i am the only one who finds the site interesting. i have thought before about people who have died that have myspace accounts. but whatever sites like rotten.com are disgusting at least this isnt showing dismembered bodies, but what do i know. i wish that website had more balls and would keep the profile up the site is not doing anything illegal if you dont like it simply do not go to the website. but ap.net you just gave this website so much more publicity. otherwise iw ould of never ever known about the site
so good job
It's an easy position to take, when you aren't her boyfriend. That's the way I look at it .. and having heard the words straight from Andy's mouth, and the sadness and disgust in them, I completely understand how he feels and support his feelings to not have that kind of page up on the internet. At this point, who is to judge his feelings and wishes? He's one of the only ones alive still able to stand up and protect the memory of his girlfriend. This is not how I'd like to be remembered, and for the record - campaign to keep my (our) profile off this page if anything ever happens to me. I'd rather be remembered by my friends for what I was and who I was, I don't want or need a link on some other page on the internet.

[xcandynecklacex]

people are so sick and twisted.

[xearlynovemberx]

what a bunch of lowlife scumbags

[The Revisionist]

I think (again, this is rudimentary law courses I took in college kicking in - correct me if I'm wrong) that "celebrities" and their lives are held on a completely different level when it comes to their exploitation etc.. I'm not (and never was) arguing any sort of "illegal" activity was going on here .. just the simple horror that someone like Andy would have to endure (again) by seeing a page like this with a title such as was under her picture.

That's all .. if it was a tribute to her, it'd be one thing - but the way it's presented can only leave the visitor with a bitter taste in their mouth. That's just my opinion on the matter - and I hope others feel the same.For sure, I can see where you're coming from... I didn't see your comment that was right above mine before I posted.

I agree to an extent about celebrities and their levels of exploitation, but there are cases here and there where courts will tell tabloids/papers that they've overstepped the boundaries of privacy and personal space. With this website (the way I see it anyway), the newspaper articles are already available online anyway, the Myspace profiles are already available anyway, it is just all condensed on one page. Like I said though, if family members and loved ones do raise some hell to them about it, they should feel the obligation to man up and take it down, and it looks like they are going to.

[Jason Tate]

i watch the news at night and hear about people dying.
they make a ton of money off of it.
what's the difference?

news shouldnt report people's deaths out of respect for the family?
If you don't see the obvious difference here, you're not really going to be able to understand a single word that I type. If I sit here and recount the countless differences, it's not going to make you change. Just stop, for 30 seconds, and think about your girlfriend/boyriend/mother/father/sister/brother being put on something like this. For lack of better wording, the memory then becomes how they died - not how they lived. And furthermore, Andy has asked for it to be removed - no one, NO ONE, can pretend to understand how he feels or question his motives for this request.

[myjokesmakeucry]

now the site is completely down
you guys are lame
if you dont like whats on change the god damn channel

[Forsythe22]

I don't see why you all just want to take her profile down, and no one else's? How is suicide ok but murder not? And there are so many other awful, awful deaths portrayed on that site (e.g. number 53). Basically you're saying it's ok to have that shit up until somebody's friend is on there? I don't think Ola's post should be removed, I think the WHOLE SITE should be removed. Inappropriate.

[Jason Tate]

I don't see why you all just want to take her profile down, and no one else's? How is suicide ok but murder not? And there are so many other awful, awful deaths portrayed on that site (e.g. number 53). Basically you're saying it's ok to have that shit up until somebody's friend is on there? I don't think Ola's post should be removed, I think the WHOLE SITE should be removed. Inappropriate.
I didn't think I can get the whole site removed, but I figured public outcry may be able to get one profile removed. So that's what I attempted to do - because Andy asked. Apparently, it worked.

[TyroneShoolaces]

if i die, i hope somebody puts me on that website.

i think that they should leave the page up.

[myjokesmakeucry]

why hers down? what the fuck why hers? what makes her more special than the rest of the diceased you just said you like the site but her being up there inappropriate
whatever. absolutepunk.net shouldnt give the spill canvas such press either cause that offends me but i still read i just simply dont read about what i dont want to. now i am going to get attacked for the vast comparision i just made. it all falls under free speech and the matter of opinion. either way we probably all have done and said things we should go to hell for so fuck it




I love that site, but when I saw her name pop up I felt that it was just a little inappropriate.

Most (if not all) of the people put up there were not murdered.
Tons of car accidents...suicides...etc but not many murders.
They do put murderers myspaces up though.

I remember when people posted her myspace, everyone said things like 'shes so pretty, why did she have to die? she seemed like such a nice person, etc'
It was far from the usual negative comments left for people on the site.

I support removing her entry, and whoever runs that site is NOT MAKING MONEY OFF OF IT.
They are getting destroyed bandwidthwise and they need to pay for their servers.

All they are doing is posting links to publically available information and allowing people to comment on it.
They are free to leave her's up, but I would hope they take her's down.

[myjokesmakeucry]

im with you on that
i want to imortalized anyway i can




if i die, i hope somebody puts me on that website.

i think that they should leave the page up.

[Jason Tate]

now the site is completely down
you guys are lame
if you dont like whats on change the god damn channel

Words that can only be spoken by someone who's had absolutely nothing like this happen in their lives. It's easy to say, "look the other way" - but it's a whole lot harder when your entire life is a reminder to what you lost. When every time you close your eyes, you still see the face of the one you loved. Tell me how to "change that channel" and then I'll maybe agree with you. Knowing it's there, and knowing that you're possibly the only one still alive that can defend that memory - come on, it's not about "changing the channel" - it's about wanting to celebrate the memory of the life of the one you loved, not the death. I don't think that's too much to ask.

[3milesdown]

i hope andy is okay. its been a while, but i hope he's staying strong. i feel so bad for him. tjv are really good people, it sucks when things like this happen

[myjokesmakeucry]

just keep your mouth shut cause i would appreciate alot of your lame posts on here being removed but its your opinion and you are intitled to it





I didn't think I can get the whole site removed, but I figured public outcry may be able to get one profile removed. So that's what I attempted to do - because Andy asked. Apparently, it worked.

[Ibanezgsr200]

i think the idea behind this site is good, its just the way it goes about it that is wrong. i mean without the consent of the family of the girl its just not right at all. this is just such a tragedy and if the loved ones of the girl want it taken down, it should be taken down.

if this site was more of an obituary site that really positively looked back on the lives of these people with their family's consent i would have no problem with them getting money to pay for their servers.

[Jason Tate]

im with you on that
i want to imortalized anyway i can
At least feel lucky that you're still alive and able to make that choice. Others aren't ... so who speaks for them?

[myjokesmakeucry]

It's an easy position to take, when you aren't her boyfriend. That's the way I look at it .. and having heard the words straight from Andy's mouth, and the sadness and disgust in them, I completely understand how he feels and support his feelings to not have that kind of page up on the internet. At this point, who is to judge his feelings and wishes? He's one of the only ones alive still able to stand up and protect the memory of his girlfriend. This is not how I'd like to be remembered, and for the record - campaign to keep my (our) profile off this page if anything ever happens to me. I'd rather be remembered by my friends for what I was and who I was, I don't want or need a link on some other page on the internet.



all those people on that site are somebodies girlfriend or boyfriend, son and daugther
hes in the god damn junior varsity so this is some special case
thats bullshit

[Jason Tate]

just keep your mouth shut cause i would appreciate alot of your lame posts on here being removed but its your opinion and you are intitled to it
It saddens me there are people like you in the world ... it really does. If you'd like, maybe you should email Andy and ask him his thoughts on this whole situation. If you can listen to him talk, hear the pain in his words, and still think what you do - you're a harder person then me. I'm sorry for not being so fucking hard and punk rock or whatever, and caring about the feelings of my friends and others. If that makes me a bad person in your eyes, so be it. I'm already hated for better things then you can come up with.

[xcandynecklacex]

i don't want that. i don't strangers reading about how i died on the internet its kinda wierd. and i really wouldn't want them reading the comments my friends would write me. ugh

[Jason Tate]

all those people on that site are somebodies girlfriend or boyfriend, son and daugther
hes in the god damn junior varsity so this is some special case
thats bullshit
I never in any way, shape, or form implied that. You're testing my patience.

[Jason Tate]

i hope andy is okay. its been a while, but i hope he's staying strong. i feel so bad for him. tjv are really good people, it sucks when things like this happen
Well, I talked to him today - he seems to be doing okay. Better then the last time I talked to him, but in no way the same as he was before.

[TyroneShoolaces]

Words that can only be spoken by someone who's had absolutely nothing like this happen in their lives. It's easy to say, "look the other way" - but it's a whole lot harder when your entire life is a reminder to what you lost. When every time you close your eyes, you still see the face of the one you loved. Tell me how to "change that channel" and then I'll maybe agree with you. Knowing it's there, and knowing that you're possibly the only one still alive that can defend that memory - come on, it's not about "changing the channel" - it's about wanting to celebrate the memory of the life of the one you loved, not the death. I don't think that's too much to ask.

ok, here's how to change the channel:
you go to the address bar and type in a different website.
i understand that it sucks for her boyfriend, it's not our fault or this website's fault that she was murdered though.
it's not like getting this site taken down will change anything.
why didnt you object to this website before Olamide was on it?
just because you have an emotional connection to her through her boyfriend's band is no excuse.
just refuse to go to the site.
by trying to get it forcibly taken down, you ARE in fact going against the idea of freedom of speech.

is IS too much to ask.

in the course of your life, people are gonna say things that you dont agree with.
deal with it.
everything isnt going to go your way.

[robhimself]

all those people on that site are somebodies girlfriend or boyfriend, son and daugther
hes in the god damn junior varsity so this is some special case
thats bullshit

tate, i know you care about free speech and all that but can you please dispose of this douche?

[myjokesmakeucry]

Words that can only be spoken by someone who's had absolutely nothing like this happen in their lives. It's easy to say, "look the other way" - but it's a whole lot harder when your entire life is a reminder to what you lost. When every time you close your eyes, you still see the face of the one you loved. Tell me how to "change that channel" and then I'll maybe agree with you. Knowing it's there, and knowing that you're possibly the only one still alive that can defend that memory - come on, it's not about "changing the channel" - it's about wanting to celebrate the memory of the life of the one you loved, not the death. I don't think that's too much to ask.



you cant change that channel jason but i lost my father this summer
and every day i am reminded and miss him so much. i actually kind of wish i had a page online of him just so i could see him every day. i just dont get whats so wrong about the site. i dont see anything negative about it its jsut remembering the people who have passed. i went through most of the site too maybe i am missing something. my father was a huge part of my life and i do miss him everyday and no iwouldnt suggest they take down something to remember him by on the internet

[duffe]

That's disgusting.

[maledixtion]

As bad as the site is, it could be worse. It doesn't make fun of the dead. This is bad:

This Girl's Myspace (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofi le&friendID=4746179)

A YTMND of her death/ (http://myspacidetrain.ytmnd.com/)

[robhimself]

you cant change that channel jason but i lost my father this summer
and every day i am reminded and miss him so much. i actually kind of wish i had a page online of him just so i could see him every day. i just dont get whats so wrong about the site. i dont see anything negative about it its jsut remembering the people who have passed. i went through most of the site too maybe i am missing something. my father was a huge part of my life and i do miss him everyday and no iwouldnt suggest they take down something to remember him by on the internet

god damn you fuckin moron, her boyfriend asked the guy to please remove her from his site and he didn't so he asked tate to put a post on here to see if it would help, it did, end of story. quit fuckin bitching.

[enj0i29]

you cant change that channel jason but i lost my father this summer
and every day i am reminded and miss him so much. i actually kind of wish i had a page online of him just so i could see him every day. i just dont get whats so wrong about the site. i dont see anything negative about it its jsut remembering the people who have passed. i went through most of the site too maybe i am missing something. my father was a huge part of my life and i do miss him everyday and no iwouldnt suggest they take down something to remember him by on the internet

But what Jason was saying is that the site makes permanent the way they died, not in any way who they were as a person. It's just wrong to exploit that kind of thing. I'm sorry for your loss, I couldn't imagine how hard that could have been for you, but would you like to see something memorializing the way your loved ones die?

[clace]

This is terrible. Not only the web site, but the posts that some of the people have been making in THIS thread, freedom of speech, yes. There is a difference though in freedom of speech and just being a prick. If I had a site like this and posted about how your mother died you would be horrified because I never knew her or the kind of person she was, I just posted this to get hits and money, what a terrible thing. I'm behind Jason 100% and telling the owner of AbsolutePunk to shut their mouths is one of the stupidest things I have read. If you don't like what he has to say, why are you here?

[catscradle]

tate, i know you care about free speech and all that but can you please dispose of this douche?
Why would he? He's exercising his right of free speech and making good points at the same time. If families are offended by this then just have the accounts deleted and don't visit the website.

[myjokesmakeucry]

It saddens me there are people like you in the world ... it really does. If you'd like, maybe you should email Andy and ask him his thoughts on this whole situation. If you can listen to him talk, hear the pain in his words, and still think what you do - you're a harder person then me. I'm sorry for not being so fucking hard and punk rock or whatever, and caring about the feelings of my friends and others. If that makes me a bad person in your eyes, so be it. I'm already hated for better things then you can come up with.


believe me dude i am a big pussy and do not think i am hard in anyway i am just a big advocate of free speech and thats what this site is all about at least in every thread there are people giving their advice, calling other people ***gots for liking or not liking certain bands. if i was completely offended by people thinking i suck for liking dashboard confessional then i wouldnt come on this site. i have dealt with trauma and i understand it. i just dont see how taking down her page or the entire site benefits the family and friends of the dead. she is still gone and its very sad.

[Mitch]

This thread has confirmed my suspicions that there are people that just don't know how to try and understand things from another persons perspective.

I hope that whole site gets taken down. I mean I don't find it offensive really, BUT if a family member or someone close was on it and I e-mailed them to take it off and got a reply refusing with curse words, I'd go crazy on their asses.

[Jason Tate]

ok, here's how to change the channel:
you go to the address bar and type in a different website.

Knowing it's there, knowing that somewhere people are talking about your murdered girlfriend and saying things like 'shit, she was hot' or other snide comments ... is not something you just "forget" it's not something that you can just pretend you didn't read.


i understand that it sucks for her boyfriend, it's not our fault or this website's fault that she was murdered though.

But that doesn't give them the right (IMO) to change how she's remembered or even be a part of her life or death. It's not sanctioned by the family, and therefore, it's their fault for exploiting her death for their own gain.

it's not like getting this site taken down will change anything.

If it makes Andy or her family sleep better at night and not have to worry about what's being talked about on some website, it changed something.

why didnt you object to this website before Olamide was on it?
just because you have an emotional connection to her through her boyfriend's band is no excuse.
just refuse to go to the site.
by trying to get it forcibly taken down, you ARE in fact going against the idea of freedom of speech.

I didn't know it exisited, it takes exposure before one can "object" to any material. I do refuse to go to the website now that I know it's there, I've made that decison. But that doens't stop me from wanting to make sure that Andy's wishes are upheld and that he and her family have control over the memory of Ola.

If you're going to use this as your opus for my stance against Free Speech, so be it. I'll be against free speech right here and now if it makes you feel any better about what I'm saying. Inside, I know how I feel, I know what I believe, and I could really care less what you attempt to pigeon hole me into.

is IS too much to ask.

in the course of your life, people are gonna say things that you dont agree with.
deal with it.
everything isnt going to go your way.

And in the course of my death apparently people are going to be able to say things I don't agree with well. I am "dealing with it" ... but that doesn't give me (or you) the right to say "deal with it" to someone who's lost another. The word I am looking for is COMPASSION. COMPASSION for a fellow human being. If you don't have that basic ability, then you have more problems to deal with then telling me and Andy off for thinking this "profile" should be removed.

[catscradle]

But what Jason was saying is that the site makes permanent the way they died, not in any way who they were as a person. It's just wrong to exploit that kind of thing. I'm sorry for your loss, I couldn't imagine how hard that could have been for you, but would you like to see something memorializing the way your loved ones die?
It was made permanent when they died. And how are they exploiting it? They aren't making money off of it. It tells how they died and then has a link to their myspace pages which in most cases have become memorials of the deceased. I just don't see it as disresepectful.

[Jason Tate]

believe me dude i am a big pussy and do not think i am hard in anyway i am just a big advocate of free speech and thats what this site is all about at least in every thread there are people giving their advice, calling other people ***gots for liking or not liking certain bands. if i was completely offended by people thinking i suck for liking dashboard confessional then i wouldnt come on this site. i have dealt with trauma and i understand it. i just dont see how taking down her page or the entire site benefits the family and friends of the dead. she is still gone and its very sad.

The simple answer is because they asked them too. It has nothing to do with anything other than that Andy asked them to remove it (his reasons behind that are something you'd have to ask him; I'm only speculating on my own reasons) .. and then they responded and had the audacity to use the word "cunt" in their email to him. Free speech can be upheld while compassion for others is being upheld at the same time.

[Jason Tate]

It was made permanent when they died. And how are they exploiting it? They aren't making money off of it. It tells how they died and then has a link to their myspace pages which in most cases have become memorials of the deceased. I just don't see it as disresepectful.
Yet, obviously Andy and her friends and family do. That's the whole point.

[myjokesmakeucry]

see i just look at it in a completly different way. i see it as this person ONCE EXISTED
and yes i want everyone to know that my father EXISTED as do i now
and when i die i want to be remembered
yes i died but i was pretty kick ass too and maybe people can see more of that by looking a lame myspace page. you can get some kind of idea of who i was by reading my blogs and what my friends had to say about me, waht kind of music i liked. if i suddenly died i would like people to go to my myspace page and if they didnt know maybe they would of wanted to . looking at what i was into just makes the person more real. not just someone in a new article
oh man they liked the same kind of bands as me and what not. so i think the site is neat





But what Jason was saying is that the site makes permanent the way they died, not in any way who they were as a person. It's just wrong to exploit that kind of thing. I'm sorry for your loss, I couldn't imagine how hard that could have been for you, but would you like to see something memorializing the way your loved ones die?

[lbc182]

what's really creepy is that some of them have suicide letters in their blogs.

[ambulance]

Knowing it's there, knowing that somewhere people are talking about your murdered girlfriend and saying things like 'shit, she was hot' or other snide comments ... is not something you just "forget" it's not something that you can just pretend you didn't read.

If it makes Andy or her family sleep better at night and not have to worry about what's being talked about on some website, it changed something.


Im sorry but if someone really cares that much about what strangers are thinking, then there is something wrong with you. You shouldnt care what people think especially people you have never met.

[enj0i29]

It was made permanent when they died. And how are they exploiting it? They aren't making money off of it. It tells how they died and then has a link to their myspace pages which in most cases have become memorials of the deceased. I just don't see it as disresepectful.

But think if this happened to you or a family member. Would you like to be remembered (in a way) on a website documenting the details of your death? It just kinda feels weird to me. Granted, the myspaces become a sort of memorial, but this site itself is no memorial.

[enj0i29]

see i just look at it in a completly different way. i see it as this person ONCE EXISTED
and yes i want everyone to know that my father EXISTED as do i now
and when i die i want to be remembered
yes i died but i was pretty kick ass too and maybe people can see more of that by looking a lame myspace page. you can get some kind of idea of who i was by reading my blogs and what my friends had to say about me, waht kind of music i liked. if i suddenly died i would like people to go to my myspace page and if they didnt know maybe they would of wanted to . looking at what i was into just makes the person more real. not just someone in a new article
oh man they liked the same kind of bands as me and what not. so i think the site is neat

K,
Then why not just have your myspace profile shown, why have this site too?

[Jason Tate]

Why would he? He's exercising his right of free speech and making good points at the same time. If families are offended by this then just have the accounts deleted and don't visit the website.
You act so caviler. Do you not think that having a wound REOPENED by some douche with a website isn't going to cause some sort of emotion from the family/boyfriend? I mean, geez. If anyone did this with my loved ones, I'd be pretty fucking pissed. Everyone obviously handles things a different way, and if you're fine with it - then by all means, send them the stuff about your family when they die. But for those who don't want their loved ones remembered that way, have a little respect.

[catscradle]

Yet, obviously Andy and her friends and family do. That's the whole point.
The comments by people are disrespectful, not the page itself. But it doesn;t make sense to me why this would be taken down and her myspace page wouldn't. Some ass could make the same claims on that as the deathspace. To me it seems like you can't have one and have the other.

[Frequency]

I don't find anything wrong with that site but if Andy wants it removed, then let it be removed.

[AgentX]

As bad as the site is, it could be worse. It doesn't make fun of the dead. This is bad:

This Girl's Myspace (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofi le&friendID=4746179)

A YTMND of her death/ (http://myspacidetrain.ytmnd.com/)

i just went on her profile........christ some of the stuff people wrote is awful
shouldn't they like take down her page or something

[Jason Tate]

see i just look at it in a completly different way. i see it as this person ONCE EXISTED
and yes i want everyone to know that my father EXISTED as do i now
and when i die i want to be remembered
yes i died but i was pretty kick ass too and maybe people can see more of that by looking a lame myspace page. you can get some kind of idea of who i was by reading my blogs and what my friends had to say about me, waht kind of music i liked. if i suddenly died i would like people to go to my myspace page and if they didnt know maybe they would of wanted to . looking at what i was into just makes the person more real. not just someone in a new article
oh man they liked the same kind of bands as me and what not. so i think the site is neat
Yet, again, you're able to make this claim now - as you're alive. Ola can't make that statement. And I think before you're allowed to speak for her and say she'd want the same things as you, her boyfriend should be allowed to speak for her .. he's saying, he doesn't want this up there. Him, and her family, are the ones that should be allowed to speak on her behalf. Not you, not anyone else.

Side note: If anyone is actually interested into some of the philosophy behind my writings in this thread, I am almost 100% basing them off of Speaker for the Dead by Orson Scott Card. A book that completely changed how I see life/death and how I want people to remember me.

[TyroneShoolaces]

i dont understand how that site disrespects the dead at all.
all it does is document the deaths of people who just happen to be on MySpace.

the only disrespecting that is done is by the people that were commenting.
how would you like it if people tried getting your website shut down because of what a few select people were saying on the message boards?

[myjokesmakeucry]

so yeah the last thing i said is where i am leaving it. i want people to get a glimpse of who i am and if that site would show people that who have never met me bless them for that. i dotn see it as exploitation. most of the peoples myspaces have been turned into memorials. i am sorry for andys loss and her family and i dont mean to come off as a heartless prick because thats not how i am. i just look at it with more of an optomistic point of view. these people were once alive and their myspaces are a way for us to see that and identify with them and a reminder that i could be us. this could all be over any day so we should live every day to the fullest and tell everyone we love them and that big city dreams should be signed because people may die who havent heard them yet

[Jason Tate]

The comments by people are disrespectful, not the page itself. But it doesn;t make sense to me why this would be taken down and her myspace page wouldn't. Some ass could make the same claims on that as the deathspace. To me it seems like you can't have one and have the other.
I find the title under her picture to be very disrespectful, and painful to those that knew her - again, my whole stance is to remember those for how they lived, and who they were, not for how they died. But, I am apparently in the fleeting minority in this stance.

[Jason Tate]

i dont understand how that site disrespects the dead at all.
all it does is document the deaths of people who just happen to be on MySpace.

the only disrespecting that is done is by the people that were commenting.
how would you like it if people tried getting your website shut down because of what a few select people were saying on the message boards?
See: post above.

[ambulance]

But think if this happened to you or a family member. Would you like to be remembered (in a way) on a website documenting the details of your death? It just kinda feels weird to me. Granted, the myspaces become a sort of memorial, but this site itself is no memorial.

what does it matter how you are remembered.you are dead. the people that love you already remember you with their experiences. does it really matter how you are remembered to strangers.

every 'famous' person is remembered because they are celebrities do you think most of them (the non egotistical ones) wanted to be remember as 'that actress' or 'that celebrity.' i doubt it, but they are. i dont here you complaining.

i mean why is it so necessary to be memorialized?

[underthetalking]

I cannot believe this. That is such a horrible site.

[Jason Tate]

so yeah the last thing i said is where i am leaving it. i want people to get a glimpse of who i am and if that site would show people that who have never met me bless them for that. i dotn see it as exploitation. most of the peoples myspaces have been turned into memorials. i am sorry for andys loss and her family and i dont mean to come off as a heartless prick because thats not how i am. i just look at it with more of an optomistic point of view. these people were once alive and their myspaces are a way for us to see that and identify with them and a reminder that i could be us. this could all be over any day so we should live every day to the fullest and tell everyone we love them and that big city dreams should be signed because people may die who havent heard them yet
A database purely pointing to their myspace, I may understand (if her family/friends wanted it) - however, that's not what this "profile" is IMO. Furthermore, I don't really like the idea of some morbid freaks browsing this beautiful girl's myspace for no other reason then they know she's dead.

[catscradle]

You act so caviler. Do you not think that having a wound REOPENED by some douche with a website isn't going to cause some sort of emotion from the family/boyfriend? I mean, geez. If anyone did this with my loved ones, I'd be pretty fucking pissed. Everyone obviously handles things a different way, and if you're fine with it - then by all means, send them the stuff about your family when they die. But for those who don't want their loved ones remembered that way, have a little respect.
That wound is going to be open regardless of this website or not.

[Jason Tate]

what does it matter how you are remembered.you are dead. the people that love you already remember you with their experiences. does it really matter how you are remembered to strangers.

every 'famous' person is remembered because they are celebrities do you think most of them (the non egotistical ones) wanted to be remember as 'that actress' or 'that celebrity.' i doubt it, but they are. i dont here you complaining.

i mean why is it so necessary to be memorialized?
Again, my beliefs on this whole thing come from a few books I've read. So I feel completely different then you do ...

[Jason Tate]

That wound is going to be open regardless of this website or not.
Hence the words, "re-open." I understand "the wound" is always there, but a constant reminder (or even a reminder by someone telling you this page exists for one day) is not needed.

[catscradle]

I find the title under her picture to be very disrespectful, and painful to those that knew her - again, my whole stance is to remember those for how they lived, and who they were, not for how they died. But, I am apparently in the fleeting minority in this stance.
The myspace page shows the life she lived and the article shows how it was tragically taken from her. I agree people should be remembered for how they lived and i don't think this site takes away from that.

[underthetalking]

i just went on her profile........christ some of the stuff people wrote is awful
shouldn't they like take down her page or something

I guess someone hacked the blog and put up Crazy Train. That is fucked up.

That second link is a pretty fucked up website. Its the same site that made fun of that kid that shot himself and left a note as a blog. People just show up and make a mockery of shit like that. So messed up.

[Rufio21]

that is some fucked up shit right there.. It should be taken down.

[Jason Tate]

The myspace page shows the life she lived and the article shows how it was tragically taken from her. I agree people should be remembered for how they lived and i don't think this site takes away from that.
Andy does. Her family/friends do.

Shouldn't that be whose opinions on this topic really matter? Not you or me?

And just so everyone making some of the more disturbing posts (to me) knows, Andy and the band do read this website and I am pretty sure will read these posts. So, keep that in mind and make sure you'd say all of this to his/their faces before you say anything at all.

[catscradle]

Hence the words, "re-open." I understand "the wound" is always there, but a constant reminder (or even a reminder by someone telling you this page exists for one day) is not needed.
How is that wound not reopened the same way everytime he visits her myspace page? It is always going to be reopened when he thinks of her or sees a picture or place where they have been. My advice to him and the families would be to don't let it get to you b/c there are better things to do then worry about sick assholes making snide comments about the loved one you've lost.

[the rog]

edit: see below

[dan.is.empire]

how pathetic. this site is so retarded.

[ambulance]

Again, my beliefs on this whole thing come from a few books I've read. So I feel completely different then you do ...

And I haven't read orson scott card's book so yeah I don't see where you are coming from. But I'm still curious, why does it matter how you are memorialized.
1] you are dead
2] your loved ones have already memorialized you in their own way
3] strangers will most likely have no clue who those people that know you are so it won't effect them in any way.

Andy's case is different yea, but how did he stumble upon this site. Who was the dick that said 'hey look at this.' he would have been better off just not knowing.

[AgentX]

I guess someone hacked the blog and put up Crazy Train. That is fucked up.

That second link is a pretty fucked up website. Its the same site that made fun of that kid that shot himself and left a note as a blog. People just show up and make a mockery of shit like that. So messed up.

i didn't even go on the second link till just now, whaaa that is messed up. who made that page and why?

[the rog]

Dallas Clark is on there too.

whoops, i mean dallas cook (suburban legends)

[underthetalking]

I agree with Jason. Honestly, who the fuck is this guy to make a site for myspace deaths? Its not his call to make an obituary for these people, its their loved ones. Its disrespectful to the loved ones. I doubt Andy is the first one to ask for this to be taken down, as he was treated with harsh words about it. It changed only because of the support from this community. I wonder how many other people asked the same and had to deal with the same disrespect. Its bullshit.

[Jason Tate]

How is that wound not reopened the same way everytime he visits her myspace page? It is always going to be reopened when he thinks of her or sees a picture or place where they have been. My advice to him and the families would be to don't let it get to you b/c there are better things to do then worry about sick assholes making snide comments about your loved one you've lost.
That's something you'd have to ask him obviously. Maybe because of what's written right under her picture ... that once sentance makes me feel like puking every time I read it.

[kshtoinks12]

this entire thing is people complaining how terible that site is......and they're absolutely right, in this case its not complaining, its adding their opinion in, no, adding a fact in

[Jason Tate]

And I haven't read orson scott card's book so yeah I don't see where you are coming from. But I'm still curious, why does it matter how you are memorialized.
1] you are dead
2] your loved ones have already memorialized you in their own way
3] strangers will most likely have no clue who those people that know you are so it won't effect them in any way.

Andy's case is different yea, but how did he stumble upon this site. Who was the dick that said 'hey look at this.' he would have been better off just not knowing.

1) In the end, it doesn't matter to anyone except those that loved you - I'm just saying IF you are going to be "memorialized" in anyway (this page does that) at least make it about the person's real life instead of their death.

2) True, therefore showing the unnecessary need for that website in question.

3) Again showing that it's not needed, and in poor taste.

No idea who showed it to him, he IM'd me to ask for my help (because no one at Victory Records would respond to him) after he got the email back from the website.

When I die, I hope my friends and family have the desire to tell people who I really was (kind of an asshole), but at least let people know the real me. Not focus on my death, or my accomplishments, or anything other then who I was as a person. That's just me though .. and I am letting my personal beliefs effect my stance on this whole issue. Obviously.

[number2alien]

It is wrong, but is also their right to free speech.

Yep.

[enj0i29]

what does it matter how you are remembered.you are dead. the people that love you already remember you with their experiences. does it really matter how you are remembered to strangers.

every 'famous' person is remembered because they are celebrities do you think most of them (the non egotistical ones) wanted to be remember as 'that actress' or 'that celebrity.' i doubt it, but they are. i dont here you complaining.

i mean why is it so necessary to be memorialized?

You don't get it, the website is telling details of the death itself. It's the details of how the person died that could be kept under wraps to me.

[Melissa Johnson]

Seriously, some of your opinions on this sicken me. The things written on the site (and that were written then deleted) were sickening. Someone as beautiful and full of promise and life that Ola was didn't deserve to be memorialized with a website such as that. Its not a "tribute" to her. If it was a "tribute" her family and friends would have made it, not some random jerk. Its not like an obituary because I'm PRETTY sure families put those together for their loved ones and newspapers don't have a "comment box" where disgusting, perverted strangers can leave the type of comments about her that they had left before they were deleted. Free speech or not, the site is sickening and for some of you all to be okay with it and "hope that you'll be put up there" when you pass away is just as sickening.
The site (as well as the webmaster from e-mails he's sent back to those who have written him) doesn't take consideration of the feelings that her family and friends have, and apparently with some of you to be "okay" with this, means you obviously don't either.

[siimpx]

I'm glad they took her picture down. If anyone's family asks them to take down a link they should do it without question. I don't really think they should take the whole site down - bc all they're really doing is matching the myspaces with articles & not really saying anything about them. BUT THE COMMENTS HAVE GOT TO GO. There would be nothing really wrong with the site if they didn't have those - they're all completely inappropriate. It makes me sick.

[ambulance]

1) In the end, it doesn't matter to anyone except those that loved you - I'm just saying IF you are going to be "memorialized" in anyway (this page does that) at least make it about the person's real life instead of their death.

2) True, therefore showing the unnecessary need for that website in question.

3) Again showing that it's not needed, and in poor taste.

No idea who showed it to him, he IM'd me to ask for my help (because no one at Victory Records would respond to him) after he got the email back from the website.

When I die, I hope my friends and family have desire to tell people who I really was (kind of an asshole), but at least let people know the real me. Not focus on my death, or my accomplishments, or anything other then who I was as a person. That's just me though .. and I am letting my personal beliefs effect my stance on this whole issue. Obviously.

I'm not arguing that it shouldn't be taken down. I mean personally I don't think it should because the newspapers are doing the exact same thing. There is absolutely no difference except this is another (possibly more popular)source to get the information. The newspapers didn't show how she lived so should we burn those articles and tell them to never report a death/murder/suicide except in the obituary. I think not.

[TMartin442]

thats a terrible site. everything aboubt it is wrong. and i cant get over the fact that they even included a comment feature.

Side note: If anyone is actually interested into some of the philosophy behind my writings in this thread, I am almost 100% basing them off of Speaker for the Dead by Orson Scott Card. A book that completely changed how I see life/death and how I want people to remember me.

im a third of the way through enders game right now... speaker for the dead is next in line.

[updownleftright]

i sent the guy a short email (i figure quantity is better than quality)

hes actually not insane. he used correct grammer and didnt harass me at all..

[Jason Tate]

I'm not arguing that it shouldn't be taken down. I mean personally I don't think it should because the newspapers are doing the exact same thing. There is absolutely no difference except this is another (possibly more popular)source to get the information. The newspapers didn't show how she lived so should we burn those articles and tell them to never report a death/murder/suicide except in the obituary. I think not.
Again, there's a big difference betwen those two IMO. I think I've already addressed that in earlier posts.

Furthermore, people should be aware of what some of the comments on that page said before it was down .. use your imagination - and then realize it was worse than that.

[Melissa Johnson]

i sent the guy a short email (i figure quantity is better than quality)

hes actually not insane. he used correct grammer and didnt harass me at all..
Just because he didn't use them with you doesn't mean that he didn't harrass, curse, or namecall others that have written to him about the matter.

[Melissa Johnson]

I'm not arguing that it shouldn't be taken down. I mean personally I don't think it should because the newspapers are doing the exact same thing. There is absolutely no difference except this is another (possibly more popular)source to get the information. The newspapers didn't show how she lived so should we burn those articles and tell them to never report a death/murder/suicide except in the obituary. I think not.
News papers though don't say things like: "If you have a MySpace account and you die, this is where you will end up." That right there seems pretty heartless. If it was a "tribute" site, comments like this wouldn't be written by the webmaster on the front page. Also, a yesterday/last night/earlier today other comments along the lines of that one were written by the webmaster on the front page as well along with a logo.

[underthetalking]

This guy, with the comment box, makes it open season for people to make bullshit comments like "Too bad, she was hot." If you died, would you want, or even better, would you want your loved ones to see comments like that on a message board? Just imagine if that was someone you cared about and you found this site and there were assholes leaving posts like that? This site has no respect for any of these people.

[zizou1790]

how do they get this info in the first place?

[thisisrightnow]

I was reading through some of those comments on that website and it's just sad how some people's minds operate. They're laughing about the fact that someone is dead or because they committed suicide. It's just a sad, sad world we live in.

[Melissa Johnson]

how do they get this info in the first place?
You'd be amazed at what you can do with Google.

[enj0i29]

This guy, with the comment box, makes it open season for people to make bullshit comments like "Too bad, she was hot." If you died, would you want, or even better, would you want your loved ones to see comments like that on a message board? Just imagine if that was someone you cared about and you found this site and there were assholes leaving posts like that? This site has no respect for any of these people.

Totally agreed.

[zizou1790]

IMO i feel the site isnt that BAD the thing that i am bothered by however is the people who are leaving the comments on the people that is in poor taste, i feel the site is only remembering the people but hey thats just my opinion

[nagohmada]

You'd be amazed at what you can do with Google.


but why would you google it. i mean i think the site is pretty twisted. there are some major moral problems with it(comments left, etc). but why would you search for something like this. it will only bring pain to keep picking at it. and why would someone show Andy it, i know i would avoid showing something like that to a friend. it would have been better for him not to have seen and and relive it one more time.

[heyRomanticA__x]

Wow, that's freaky. Alot of those people died in auto accidents..I just got a car today.


Oh god :(


I wish all of them rest in peace. I hope none suffered while they were dying.

[joeshmoe909]

Andy, I really feel horrible about all of this. It is disgusting I think for the human race to have such a low amount of respect for their fellow beings. I feel very sorry for you as I know with friend’s deaths that it’s a pain impossible to comprehend when you are not going through it. I hope your girlfriend rests peacefully. Nobody should have to go through this. I wish the best to you man. I’m seeing you guys on June 10th in Lansing, MI and if there is anything I can do for you please let me know. I cannot wait and really love your band. Tate, thank you for responding to people arguing, and really trying to get them to understand.

[underthetalking]

IMO i feel the site isnt that BAD the thing that i am bothered by however is the people who are leaving the comments on the people that is in poor taste, i feel the site is only remembering the people but hey thats just my opinion


This guy isn't remembering these people. He is basically (whether intentional or not) leaving these people open to get picked apart by the assholes of the world. You don't commemorate someone by putting stats up and writing about the horrific event they had to suffer through. Because believe it or not, most of the people on Myspace are just kids and I doubt many of them died of natural causes.

[underthetalking]

Andy, I really feel horrible about all of this. It is disgusting I think for the human race to have such a low amount of respect for their fellow beings. I feel very sorry for you as I know with friend’s deaths that it’s a pain impossible to comprehend when you are not going through it. I hope your girlfriend rests peacefully. Nobody should have to go through this. I wish the best to you man. I’m seeing you guys on June 10th in Lansing, MI and if there is anything I can do for you please let me know. I cannot wait and really love your band. Tate, thank you for responding to people arguing, and really trying to get them to understand.


Good man.

[ambulance]

This guy isn't remembering these people. He is basically (whether intentional or not) leaving these people open to get picked apart by the assholes of the world. You don't commemorate someone by putting stats up and writing about the horrific event they had to suffer through. Because believe it or not, most of the people on Myspace are just kids and I doubt many of them died of natural causes.

They can do that whether there is a comment box or not. The only difference is thousands of people get to either laugh or describe how horrible those people that leave negative comments are instead of a few.

And personally I think its kind of sick on Andy's part if he actually went to read all of those comments in the first place. What is he looking for. He isn't going to stop people from being assholes. And I don't know if he said we need to get rid of this site or if we just need to get rid of his girlfriends post. But if its the latter, that is extremely selfish.

[Melissa Johnson]

but why would you google it. i mean i think the site is pretty twisted. there are some major moral problems with it(comments left, etc). but why would you search for something like this. it will only bring pain to keep picking at it. and why would someone show Andy it, i know i would avoid showing something like that to a friend. it would have been better for him not to have seen and and relive it one more time.
I don't know how exactly it reached him, but there are myspace bulletins going around through people who knew Ola who have been sending them out calling for everyone to e-mail him since last night, it could have very well been that. And reliving it one more time? He relives it every morning he wakes up. Her family relives it every morning they wake up. Her friends relive it every morning they wake up.
They only brought it to everyone's attention to get it taken down. This jerk isn't living in a nightmare like Andy, her family, and her friends are everyday. To see hurtful comments made about her race/gender/appearence and to look at people assuming she "got what she deserved" because she "probably thought she could order guys around" is making that nightmare even worse for them and the responses they got from the webmaster about removing her profile proved that this isn't a site that's living up to its claims. And if you look at comments made on other pages, you can see other families have asked for their loved ones profiles to be removed from the site but the guy refused to do it.

[enj0i29]

They can do that whether there is a comment box or not. The only difference is thousands of people get to either laugh or describe how horrible those people that leave negative comments are instead of a few.

And personally I think its kind of sick on Andy's part if he actually went to read all of those comments in the first place. What is he looking for. He isn't going to stop people from being assholes. And I don't know if he said we need to get rid of this site or if we just need to get rid of his girlfriends post. But if its the latter, that is extremely selfish.

one way to stop people acting like assholes about his girlfriend could be to not have the site post her in the first place.

[ambulance]

one way to stop people acting like assholes about his girlfriend could be to not have the site post her in the first place.
Go ahead and stop newspapers from reporting about her death too.

[Melissa Johnson]

They can do that whether there is a comment box or not. The only difference is thousands of people get to either laugh or describe how horrible those people that leave negative comments are instead of a few.

And personally I think its kind of sick on Andy's part if he actually went to read all of those comments in the first place. What is he looking for. He isn't going to stop people from being assholes. And I don't know if he said we need to get rid of this site or if we just need to get rid of his girlfriends post. But if its the latter, that is extremely selfish.
Sick on Andy's part? If you had a myspace board filled with bulletins of your girlfriend's family and friends stating how they are upset by the site, you're going to look at it, it's human nature. And selfish of him because he wants a Ola's post removed? You've gotta be fucking kidding me. Stop being selfish yourself and put yourself in his shoes. Would you want people making a mockery of your girlfriend's death on a website for other people's amusement? Would you want them making racial and sexual comments and assuming traits of what type of person she was? No you wouldn't. Stop being fucking selfish for yourself and have some fucking compassion

[Melissa Johnson]

Go ahead and stop newspapers from reporting about her death too.
News papers don't have comment boxes for people to post inappropriate remarks and report in good taste unlike this website. There's a difference.

[imthenewcancer]

i know its been said a hundred times, but i just want say that it makes me sick as well

[enj0i29]

News papers don't have comment boxes for people to post inappropriate remarks and report in good taste unlike this website. There's a difference.

Exactly.

[ambulance]

Sick on Andy's part? If you had a myspace board filled with bulletins of your girlfriend's family and friends stating how they are upset by the site, you're going to look at it, it's human nature. And selfish of him because he wants a Ola's post removed? You've gotta be fucking kidding me. Stop being selfish yourself and put yourself in his shoes. Would you want people making a mockery of your girlfriend's death on a website for other people's amusement? Would you want them making racial and sexual comments and assuming traits of what type of person she was? No you wouldn't. Stop being fucking selfish for yourself and have some fucking compassion

Excuse me, but did you even attempt at proving me wrong. It is selfish and compasionless if he only wanted Ola's post removed. Think about the other people and ask for help to shut the WHOLE site down. Tell me that isn't selfish to only think of Ola and not the others that are in his same shoes. So don't you tell me to put myself in his shoe's if he can't even think of all the others that are in his similar case. [/hypothetical] (for I don't know if Andy asked to help remove the site or just Ola's post)

[ambulance]

News papers don't have comment boxes for people to post inappropriate remarks and report in good taste unlike this website. There's a difference.

Comments will still be made whether there is a comment box or not. I thought I went over that.
Just don't look at the damn comments. Censor yourself from getting upset. Jesus

[underthetalking]

And newspaper obituaries say the persons accomplishments such as "War Veteran" or if its a younger persons case a list of things they have done like what school they went to or are going to or sports teams and stuff like that. They don't write stuff like shit like "Cause of death: STABBING" or leave them open to get picked apart by these assholes. Most obituaries go through the family first, too. This guy just takes it upon himself to make these people a topic of conversation without consulting the proper parties first. That is crap and should not be allowed.

[Melissa Johnson]

Excuse me, but did you even attempt at proving me wrong. It is selfish and compasionless if he only wanted Ola's post removed. Think about the other people and ask for help to shut the WHOLE site down. Tell me that isn't selfish to only think of Ola and not the others that are in his same shoes. So don't you tell me to put myself in his shoe's if he can't even think of all the others that are in his similar case. [/hypothetical] (for I don't know if Andy asked to help remove the site or just Ola's post)
I'm pretty sure her friends are now in the works of getting the entire site shutdown now. And if you look, there are other families on there trying to get their own loved one's profiles off of that site as well.

[enj0i29]

Comments will still be made whether there is a comment box or not. I thought I went over that.
Just don't look at the damn comments. Censor yourself from getting upset. Jesus

But it's not just about the comments...did you even look at the page? Even without the comments, it's still pretty fucked up what's on there.

[ambulance]

But it's not just about the comments...did you even look at the page? Even without the comments, it's still pretty fucked up what's on there.

Record of death and newspaper articles documenting it. (thats without the comments)
How is that fucked up?

[ashleypetrey]

hi, i've never been here before. my name's ashley petrey.

my best friend from home, christine kuhlman, goes to depaul. someone brought it up in a class so she went and checked it out. as soon as she saw olamide she contacted me.

that's when i started putting out myspace bulletins asking you all for help and talking to the owner of the site.

christine called me at 6:30 P.M. yesterday. as of five P.M. today, her profile has been taken down.

if you'd like to read my opinion of the site, you can do so at blog.myspace.com/petrey.

thank. you. so. much.

love, ashley petrey.


(p.s., if you're wondering about maurice, feel free to check that shit too for updates on his case. also, if you'd like to donate to the olamide adeyooye memorial scholarship, you can do that on my page as well.)

[Jason Tate]

Go ahead and stop newspapers from reporting about her death too.
And yet you still don't get it and dance in your little twisted world of what you WANT this to be compared to what it IS. Open your eyes for a whole 15 seconds, stoping being a heartless prick, and maybe you'll get it -- you're driving me nuts with the same response I've countered 900x. Yet you respond to everyone BUT me and continue to use that arguement.

[enj0i29]

Here's my opinion on it:
What I saw, I didn't like. Plus, on the headline of the website, it says, and I quote:
"If you have a myspace account and you die, this is where you'll end up."
I personally wouldn;t like to be remembered on this website. If you feel fine with that,
then good for you. I don't think she would have liked to be remembered this way though.

[dukeboy1986]

I see a big lawsuit/Supreme Court/freedom of speech ruling on the internet coming out of this website eventually.

[Jason Tate]

Comments will still be made whether there is a comment box or not. I thought I went over that.
Just don't look at the damn comments. Censor yourself from getting upset. Jesus
This argument continues to make no sense (aside from the fact that it's logically flawed).

[ashleypetrey]

fuck, i'm going to copy an interview i did today on here, because some of you (of course) have to be ignorant fucks.

How do you feel about mydeathspace, and why?
i feel that it's a morbid circus where instead of expoliting acrobats and elephants, they exploit death and pain. a TRIBUTE site would be a site where comments would not be allowed. for example, someone called olamide a ******. there's a fundamental principle that someone's "tribute" should be free of racial epithets. there's another example where a comment says "i guess this is god's way of weeding out the ***s." another profile has comments mocking the departed's weight. to use the word "tribute" to describe that website is in essence a complete fucking oxymoron.

if he wants to make it a tribute site, the comment feature should be eradicated completely. the site shouldn't exist, but if he insists, it need to be overhauled completely. it's not a tribute site. it's like ebaums world or snopes.com. it's a place for stoned college kids to go and laugh at when they take a break from writing a paper. it makes me disgusted for our generation that we can mock death the way we do.

it's an inviTATION for losers to go publically make fun of others loved ones.

get it?



Do you think MySpace itself can be a healthy outlet for helping people deal with grief? Why or why not? Do you have personal experience with this phenomenon?

it's like a giant guestbook at a funeral complete with a log, pictures, and information about their lives. and people who are allowed to comment in that forum would NEVER write something like "dead ****** storage" on her page. if you read her blogs, you'll see that i have left comments in them. i freaked out and cancelled my account in october, then brought it back a day later so we're not friends. it's strange though, myself and andy comment like we're reaching as far as we possibly can to contact her or feel close to her again. i guess for our generation, it's myspace. i really like how you used the word "phenomenon." digital property is a very strange concept after something like this happens. but choosing what is done with any digital property belonging to the deceased should be left to the discretion of the family. since ola's family aren't internet saavy, that would be me and andy.

also, fyi, the website facebook delete someone's account as soon as they learn of a death.

Thanks in advance.

-Ross

[Jason Tate]

Record of death and newspaper articles documenting it. (thats without the comments)
How is that fucked up?
You obviously didn't read the page.

[nagohmada]

I don't know how exactly it reached him, but there are myspace bulletins going around through people who knew Ola who have been sending them out calling for everyone to e-mail him since last night, it could have very well been that. And reliving it one more time? He relives it every morning he wakes up. Her family relives it every morning they wake up. Her friends relive it every morning they wake up.
They only brought it to everyone's attention to get it taken down. This jerk isn't living in a nightmare like Andy, her family, and her friends are everyday. To see hurtful comments made about her race/gender/appearence and to look at people assuming she "got what she deserved" because she "probably thought she could order guys around" is making that nightmare even worse for them and the responses they got from the webmaster about removing her profile proved that this isn't a site that's living up to its claims. And if you look at comments made on other pages, you can see other families have asked for their loved ones profiles to be removed from the site but the guy refused to do it.


i know that they still have to relive it every day. and i agree the comments are bad. i am just saying if it were my friends girl friend on that page i wouldn't tell him. i wouldn't want him to see something like that. i respect their wishes to have it taken down and it should be taken down (as it was). i was just saying i would avoid showing/searching for things like this.

[dukeboy1986]

The website is definitely in poor taste.

[underthetalking]

I seriously hate people sometimes.

[ambulance]

And yet you still don't get it and dance in your little twisted world of what you WANT this to be compared to what it IS. Open your eyes for a whole 15 seconds, stoping being a heartless prick, and maybe you'll get it -- you're driving me nuts with the same response I've countered 900x. Yet you respond to everyone BUT me and continue to use that arguement.

Which post should I reply to? I thought I replied to everything directed towards me.

And Im not being 'a heartless prick' in my eyes. Because, for one, I don't see one thing wrong with that site. "If you have a myspace account and you die, this is where you'll end up." is the same thing as "If you die you are going to be in the newspaper" It is just recording all the myspace deaths, narrowing down 'deaths' into 'people with myspace deaths'.

And I've been following this site for about a year, and your arguments always go in the same direction. You call out people in saying the same thing over and over, when you do the exact same thing. You have your opinion and I have mine why should I[you] respond differently when our opinions haven't changed. So don't even try to pull that bullshit up its pointless.

[dukeboy1986]

How is the operator of the website getting the personal info of these victims anyways? Does Myspace sell the info to the guy or what?

[The Revisionist]

Well this thread has certainly gotten ridiculous.

Who's Ross Wolinsky?

[ashleypetrey]

i like you jason.

this is turning olamide's life into a joke. not only that, it's calling attention to her death. it's also calling attention to maurice wallace.

these are reasons, ashley petrey style, of why this is not like a) a newspaper b) a news program or c) any other form of media:
1. the classy skull picture
2. "Click the MySpace Deaths link at the top to view the latest MySpace Deaths!" he's a little too excited! new myspace deaths! WOW! ooh, you guys, let's go laugh at gay, fat, and black people publically in front of their family and friends! YAYYY! it's a fucking party!"
3. another quote. "Enjoy..." enjoy. go laugh at how they died. go call their best friends and family dumb bitches. talk about how you want to fuck her. if their death was an accident, make fun of them and call them losers. hell has plenty of room, according to my priest.
4. two words: digital property. they don't own her image. we want the news. we want the t.v. it's classy. this is just a circus of malaise.
5. this guy is a college student. 'nuff said.
6. he called me a cunt. in case that asterisks out, a c*nt. nice.

i'm sure there's more but law and order is like...really good right now.

[Melissa Johnson]

i like you jason.

this is turning olamide's life into a joke. not only that, it's calling attention to her death. it's also calling attention to maurice wallace.

these are reasons, ashley petrey style, of why this is not like a) a newspaper b) a news program or c) any other form of media:
1. the classy skull picture
2. "Click the MySpace Deaths link at the top to view the latest MySpace Deaths!" he's a little too excited! new myspace deaths! WOW! ooh, you guys, let's go laugh at gay, fat, and black people publically in front of their family and friends! YAYYY! it's a fucking party!"
3. another quote. "Enjoy..." enjoy. go laugh at how they died. go call their best friends and family dumb bitches. talk about how you want to fuck her. if their death was an accident, make fun of them and call them losers. hell has plenty of room, according to my priest.
4. two words: digital property. they don't own her image. we want the news. we want the t.v. it's classy. this is just a circus of malaise.
5. this guy is a college student. 'nuff said.
6. he called me a cunt. in case that asterisks out, a c*nt. nice.

i'm sure there's more but law and order is like...really good right now.
I love you, Petrey.

[ashleypetrey]

he's a reporter.

i'm a strong person. i get things done. i got that profile taken down in 23 hours with help from my awesome friends.

i'm glad christine showed it to me. because guess what. if and when the media gets a hold of it, she won't be featured.

what, you didn't make the connection that she's the most notorious death on that page?

i think like a criminal justice major who minors in english.

[ambulance]

I still don't understand what the huge problem is. Like I said, don't read the goddamn comments. What are you accomplishing if you find your loved one on there, and see the comments button? 'Oh hey, lets see what random people have to see about my loved ones death.' As i've already stated, censor yourself, youll be better off.

[ashleypetrey]

and i am pretty damn fond of you, girlie.

[enj0i29]

Which post should I reply to? I thought I replied to everything directed towards me. And Im not being 'a heartless prick' in my eyes. Because, for one, I don't see one thing wrong with that site. "If you have a myspace account and you die, this is where you'll end up." is the same thing as "If you die you are going to be in the newspaper" It is just recording all the myspace deaths, narrowing down 'deaths' into 'people with myspace deaths'.

There shouldn't be that added "bonus" of being shown on the deadmyspace page when you sign up for myspace itself. And you're going nowhere with this.

[Kelley Nicole]

how the fuck can people make jokes about these people dying? the majority of those comments absolutely disgusted me - how can someone make a comment about how it's "too bad this girl died because i would've fucked her." i'm sure someone will want to make fun of me for this, but i clicked on a few profiles and the messages left by friends made me cry. people are obviously still devastated by these losses and people have the nerve to joke. ughhh.

[ambulance]

There shouldn't be that added "bonus" of being shown on the deadmyspace page when you sign up for myspace itself. And you're going nowhere with this.
I completely agree. But its their right.

censor yourself not others

[ashleypetrey]

I still don't understand what the huge problem is. Like I said, don't read the goddamn comments. What are you accomplishing if you find your loved one on there, and see the comments button? 'Oh hey, lets see what random people have to see about my loved ones death.' As i've already stated, censor yourself, youll be better off.



shhh.....

the smart people are trying to have a conversation.

[enj0i29]

who's right? the people who died? I don;t think so. If they wanted a site like this, they'd make one. Not have some fucking prick do it for them.

[The Revisionist]

When I die, I hope they pick one of the photos of me wearing a woman's thong.

[ambulance]

shhh.....

the smart people are trying to have a conversation.

Good job. So now people with different opinions and a care for free speech are stupid. That shows your character right there. I haven't attacked anyone in my responses by calling them names. Grow up

[underthetalking]

I love you, Petrey.

Ditto. Only other person here that seems to have at least half a heart and/or brain.

[ashleypetrey]

Good job. So now people with different opinions and a care for free speech are stupid. That shows your character right there. I haven't attacked anyone in my responses by calling them names. Grow up



ahh, my friend, but i didn't CALL you a name.


think about it.

[dukeboy1986]

Good job. So now people with different opinions and a care for free speech are stupid. That shows your character right there. I haven't attacked anyone in my responses by calling them names. Grow up

Are you a liberatrian? I'm just curious.

[ambulance]

Are you a liberatrian? I'm just curious.

I don't pin myself to parties.

[ashleypetrey]

oooooh. a real life rebel.

[ambulance]

ahh, my friend, but i didn't CALL you a name.


think about it.

im·ply
2 : to make known indirectly

I think you did a good job of making it known your purpose.

[birdman]

this is one of the few things that I will go ahead and agree with Tate on. Look, whoever made this website KNEW that they were skating on thin ice and that it would piss people off, then when they are called out on it they are going to act like they are paraders of free specch or something. Its like going to a bar mitzvah with a swaztika t shirt on and then being surpised when you get kicked out.

I think if this girls loved ones dont appreciate her pic being on the site then they have every right in the world to ask that it be taken down. Whether or not the website wants to comply is their call. They don't have to, but it would just prove what the real intention of the website is if they had refused to take it down.

And lets be honest, the intention of this site is to make entertainment out of peoples deaths.

So, I just agreed with Jason, weird.

[ashleypetrey]

"Its like going to a bar mitzvah with a swaztika t shirt on and then being surpised when you get kicked out."

i love good metaphors. mmm...metaphors.

[ashleypetrey]

im·ply
2 : to make known indirectly

I think you did a good job of making it known your purpose.


yeah, i'm good at that. but i'm just going to come right out and call you a tool.

tool.

[iamhollywood]

jason is gay. what good does getting her picture taken down do? the whole site is horrible. like these other people didn;'t have families and shit...

[Jason Tate]

I still don't understand what the huge problem is. Like I said, don't read the goddamn comments. What are you accomplishing if you find your loved one on there, and see the comments button? 'Oh hey, lets see what random people have to see about my loved ones death.' As i've already stated, censor yourself, youll be better off.
The fact that you continue to not see the "problem" sort of worries me. Apathy is no longer needed.

Come on ... if you need it spelled out for you any clearer, I fear for my own health for having to actually type out (what I find to be) painfully obvious.

[Melissa Johnson]

jason is gay. what good does getting her picture taken down do? the whole site is horrible. like these other people didn;'t have families and shit...
And if you READ there are OTHER FAMILIES trying to get their loved one's pictures/profiles taken off the site and others trying to get the site shut down completely.

[ambulance]

yeah, i'm good at that. but i'm just going to come right out and call you a tool.

tool.

What do you get out of name calling besides your own selfsatisfaction?

[Jason Tate]

jason is gay. what good does getting her picture taken down do? the whole site is horrible. like these other people didn;'t have families and shit...
Yes, attack my sexual orientation, that seems to make me look at the rest of your post as having a wildly informative viewpoint.

What good does it do? Well, it makes Andy happy. Seeing as his girlfriend was murdered, I figured that my helping in this small manner was the least I could do.

Obviously they did, and if you want to make it your quest in life to get the whole site removed, by all means, have at it ... I don't have the funds or time to devote myself to that cause at the moment.

So, keep calling me "gay" and turning everything I do around to make me feel/look like an asshole. Hell, I helped to raise $16,000 for cancer research and was called more than "gay" by my detractors; your comments don't phase me.

[enj0i29]

ambulance, I'm convinced you're retarded.

[Jason Tate]

What do you get out of name calling besides your own selfsatisfaction?
What do you get from your continued personal diatribes on this website besides self-satisfaction?

[ashleypetrey]

giggles?

oh, and when you're busy trying to piss me off, you're not expressing your asanine views about free speech and that garbage.

ever heard of slander? i have. i study criminal/civil law.

so, do you i need to repeat myself again?

be quiet. smart people are trying to have a conversation.

[ambulance]

The fact that you continue to not see the "problem" sort of worries me. Apathy is no longer needed.

Come on ... if you need it spelled out for you any clearer, I fear for my own health for having to actually type out (what I find to be) painfully obvious.

I see the 'problem' I also see how families dwell in thier own misery by discovering sites like these and just prolong thier misery by trying to take the site down.

As I've stated numerous times, censor yourself. If someone says 'hey your loved one is on this site' dont go check it out. Think to yourself 'I dont care what strangers say about my loved one, they don't know him/her' then think just a LITTLE bit harder 'I will never meet these people so it wont affect me in any way' its that simple.

[ambulance]

What do you get from your continued personal diatribes on this website besides self-satisfaction?

The same selfsatisfaction you get from your constant reiteration of your opinion.

[enj0i29]

I see the 'problem' I also see how families dwell in thier own misery by discovering sites like these and just prolong thier misery by trying to take the site down.

As I've stated numerous times, censor yourself. If someone says 'hey your loved one is on this site' dont go check it out. Think to yourself 'I dont care what strangers say about my loved one, they don't know him/her' then think just a LITTLE bit harder 'I will never meet these people so it wont affect me in any way' its that simple.

How the fuck could you not check the site? wouldn't you be a bit curious how your loved one is talked about? If I had this happen to me, and someone told me, I would for sure check to see what people said, it doesn't even matter if they're strangers or not.

[ambulance]

giggles?

oh, and when you're busy trying to piss me off, you're not expressing your asanine views about free speech and that garbage.

ever heard of slander? i have. i study criminal/civil law.

so, do you i need to repeat myself again?

be quiet. smart people are trying to have a conversation.

Ummm. Didn't know I was pissing you off. Words must cut pretty deep to you huh. Seeing as how I didn't even call you a name just pointed out that it is pointless to call me names because I could careless what you think of me.

I also didn't realise that free speech is include in 'that garbage'

[Jason Tate]

I see the 'problem' I also see how families dwell in thier own misery by discovering sites like these and just prolong thier misery by trying to take the site down.

As I've stated numerous times, censor yourself. If someone says 'hey your loved one is on this site' dont go check it out. Think to yourself 'I dont care what strangers say about my loved one, they don't know him/her' then think just a LITTLE bit harder 'I will never meet these people so it wont affect me in any way' its that simple.

You must live in a box. Either a box, or some world that is far different and superior then the real world the rest of us live in.

Quick:
Don't think of a purple elephant.










What did you just do?

Welcome to psychology 101. Welcome to the simple idea that if you think it's so "simple" then by all means continue spouting your wonderful advice to those on this website. Let's take that simple idea a bit further: Andy's email address is on the TJV website, email him and tell him how "SIMPLE" it is to get passed these kinds of things. You have the answer he must never have thought of, the simple "cure-all" for the single most traumatic event in his entire life. An event you have absolutely NO FUCKING IDEA how much it has changed him - so start thinking about that before you post next time, put yourself in someone elses (obviously imperfect body) instead of your amazing "I know fucking everything" shoes. This holier-then-thou attitude is really obnoxious. You have all the answers, yet none of the common sense that renders them useless.

Everything in the world is so simple to everyone who's never been through anything.

[ambulance]

How the fuck could you not check the site? wouldn't you be a bit curious how your loved one is talked about? If I had this happen to me, and someone told me, I would for sure check to see what people said, it doesn't even matter if they're strangers or not.

honestly. No I wouldn't. But thats just me.

[Jason Tate]

The same selfsatisfaction you get from your constant reiteration of your opinion.
Not my fault you continue to ignore the simplicity of my arguments with your self-aggrandizing banter.

[Melissa Johnson]

As I've stated numerous times, censor yourself. If someone says 'hey your loved one is on this site' dont go check it out. Think to yourself 'I dont care what strangers say about my loved one, they don't know him/her' then think just a LITTLE bit harder 'I will never meet these people so it wont affect me in any way' its that simple.
Maybe some people have more feelings than you do about things. Most people's inital responses are to go look. It's like a trainwreck. You don't want to look, but for some reason you just do.


I think you need to take a psychology class or two.

[enj0i29]

honestly. No I wouldn't. But thats just me.

Bullshit.

[ashleypetrey]

I see the 'problem' I also see how families dwell in thier own misery by discovering sites like these and just prolong thier misery by trying to take the site down.

As I've stated numerous times, censor yourself. If someone says 'hey your loved one is on this site' dont go check it out. Think to yourself 'I dont care what strangers say about my loved one, they don't know him/her' then think just a LITTLE bit harder 'I will never meet these people so it wont affect me in any way' its that simple.


wow. you ARE retarded.


nah, you're not. you're probably just like, not cute, sad, undersexed, blah blah blah.

[ashleypetrey]

hey ambulance, how old are you?

seriously, i'm just curious.

[Melissa Johnson]

Ummm. Didn't know I was pissing you off. Words must cut pretty deep to you huh. Seeing as how I didn't even call you a name just pointed out that it is pointless to call me names because I could careless what you think of me.

I also didn't realise that free speech is include in 'that garbage'
If you're going to support this website that mocks those that have passed away, of course it's going to piss off friends of those that have died, especially when they're working hard to get it shutdown.

[catscradle]

wow. you ARE retarded.


nah, you're not. you're probably just like, not cute, sad, undersexed, blah blah blah.
I can see all your schooling has led you to name calling and making fun of people. You're no better than any of those other heartless fucks on that website making fun of dead people. Free speech is free speech, this website is no different than the countless other sick websites out there promoting much worse things then this. Why don't you use all your schooling and resor to doing something worthwhile like censoring the whole internet.

[ambulance]

Maybe some people have more feelings than you do about things. Most people's inital responses are to go look. It's like a trainwreck. You don't want to look, but for some reason you just do.


I think you need to take a psychology class or two.

Yeah thats highly possible. I would have to go in depth in my beliefs to explain why I am like I am, but I don't have the time nor the breath to waste on such matter that would probably just be ignored/made fun of/etc.

I mean can I not get an agreement that peoples lives would be better if they would avoid digging yourself into a large hole to dwell in? Because in my eyes thats what Andy has done. It is completely okay to mourn. But people would be better off if they didn't look into things that they know are going to piss them off, which he knew was coming. And if you disagree with that then I don't know what the hell is wrong with you.

[ambulance]

hey ambulance, how old are you?

seriously, i'm just curious.

What does age have to do with this?

[ambulance]

If you're going to support this website that mocks those that have passed away, of course it's going to piss off friends of those that have died, especially when they're working hard to get it shutdown.

Im not supporting the website. Im supporting free speech. And there IS a difference.

[Jason Tate]

I can see all your schooling has led you to name calling and making fun of people. You're no better than any of those other heartless fucks on that website making fun of dead people. Free speech is free speech, this website is no different than the countless other sick websites out there promoting much worse things then this. Why don't you use all your schooling and resor to doing something worthwhile like censoring the whole internet.
That has absolutely no relevance on the topic at hand, just because she doesn't support the censorship of the whole internet, doesn't make her claim (or mine) any less valid. That's just basic logic for you though ... stay away from fallacies if you're going to really get into this with me (and it continues to get more and more personal for me), because I'm going to call you on them.

[ashleypetrey]

andy found out about this through a mutual friend after i starting campaigning to get it taken down.

how could he not have looked when all of our friends were posting bulletins and freaking out.

my schooling has at least given me a well-rounded sense of humor.

ass.

[catscradle]

If you're going to support this website that mocks those that have passed away, of course it's going to piss off friends of those that have died, especially when they're working hard to get it shutdown.
It's about suppoting free speech. If this was anything else dealing with Bush censoring something like this all of you would be freaking out over it. So i'm going to just stop now and leave b/c anything i say won't be taken into account anyway.

I'm pzing the fuck out of here...pz.

[ashleypetrey]

What does age have to do with this?


perfect answer. i've deduced you're under the age of 18. am i right or am i right.

[Jason Tate]

Yeah thats highly possible. I would have to go in depth in my beliefs to explain why I am like I am, but I don't have the time nor the breath to waste on such matter that would probably just be ignored/made fun of/etc.

I mean can I not get an agreement that peoples lives would be better if they would avoid digging yourself into a large hole to dwell in? Because in my eyes thats what Andy has done. It is completely okay to mourn. But people would be better off if they didn't look into things that they know are going to piss them off, which he knew was coming. And if you disagree with that then I don't know what the hell is wrong with you.
Yet, you KNOW people disagree with you in this thread and are posting things that are PROBABLY going to "piss you off" - yet you continue to sit here and respond. You now what's coming every time you refresh this page ... you're a glutton for punishment (so they say).

Does that make you A) a hypocrite, B) a fucking idiot, or C) both.

[ashleypetrey]

c.

[Jason Tate]

Im not supporting the website. Im supporting free speech. And there IS a difference.
Just because you have the right to free speech doesn't mean you have to use it. People have the right to do lots things they probably shouldn't ... it's not about free speech (see page 2 of this same thread) it's about COMPASSION.

This same retort has been posted ad nausea in this thread, yet you still ignore it.

[Melissa Johnson]

It's about suppoting free speech. If this was anything else dealing with Bush censoring something like this all of you would be freaking out over it. So i'm going to just stop now and leave b/c anything i say won't be taken into account anyway.

I'm pzing the fuck out of here...pz.
If Bush censored something like this website, a website making a mockery out of people's lives and others' pain and loss, damn right I'd be all over it. I'd be agreeing with his actions for once.

[catscradle]

That has absolutely no relevance on the topic at hand, just because she doesn't support the censorship of the whole internet, doesn't make her claim (or mine) any less valid. That's just basic logic for you though ... stay away from fallacies if you're going to really get into this with me (and it continues to get more and more personal for me), because I'm going to call you on them.
What is relevant about her calling some kid a tool for his beliefs? i'm defending a kid who is geting jumped on by everyone b/c they don't understand his views. So i wonder what your calling me out on when this girl is makin the most irrelevant claims on issues. And yes the big issue is free speech. So for real this time...pz out. i don't want to deal with you all while you bask in your "self aggrandizing glory."

[ambulance]

perfect answer. i've deduced you're under the age of 18. am i right or am i right.

You happen to be wrong. Just proves how stereotypical you are and how much you assume to make yourself feel better.

[enj0i29]

Yet, you KNOW people disagree with you in this thread and are posting things that are PROBABLY going to "piss you off" - yet you continue to sit here and respond. You now what's coming every time you refresh this page ... you're a glutton for punishment (so they say).

Does that make you A) a hypocrite, B) a fucking idiot, or C) both.

My vote's on C!;)

[Jason Tate]

It's about suppoting free speech. If this was anything else dealing with Bush censoring something like this all of you would be freaking out over it. So i'm going to just stop now and leave b/c anything i say won't be taken into account anyway.

I'm pzing the fuck out of here...pz.
But it's not .. that's a straw man argument. You're making an argument up that's completely different (and weaker) then the argument I'm making ... knock it off!

[catscradle]

If Bush censored something like this website, a website making a mockery out of people's lives and others' pain and loss, damn right I'd be all over it. I'd be agreeing with his actions for once.
ap.net mocks just as many people what would you do if he censored this? People would be freaking out crying revolution! It would be no different. Censorship is censorship.

[enj0i29]

You happen to be wrong. Just proves how stereotypical you are and how much you assume to make yourself feel better.

Not so stereotypical, she just thinks you have the brain development of a teenager, but you proved her wrong. You're just an older shithead.

[cahrishurr]

i havent read all the posts so this might have already been said but...

this shouldnt be a matter of whether or not the website creator wants to keep this site up
HE SHOULD BE FORCED TO TAKE IT DOWN

the comments on the page are fucking terrible

i dont care how much you think suicide is selfish...i know i belive that
but to say oh fuck her she deserved to die is horrible


P.S. i love the junior varsity ;)

[Jason Tate]

What is relevant about her calling some kid a tool for his beliefs? i'm defending a kid who is geting jumped on by everyone b/c they don't understand his views. So i wonder what your calling me out on when this girl is makin the most irrelevant claims on issues. And yes the big issue is free speech. So for real this time...pz out. i don't want to deal with you all while you bask in your "self aggrandizing glory."

I understand his "views" quite clearly, the problem (which I think my posts at least [as he ignores them] have shown) is that I don't think he clearly understand his OWN VIEWS.

The issue is NOT free speech, that's been made 100 million times by myself. I said in the 4th post I made on this thread that he has EVERY SINGLE RIGHT (to the best of my knowledge) to post the text he had up there. JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO SOMETHING, DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD AND DOESN'T MEAN IT WON'T HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

There, I typed in BIG FUCKING LETTERs so you'll read what I wrote for once.

[Melissa Johnson]

ap.net mocks just as many people what would you do if he censored this? People would be freaking out crying revolution! It would be no different. Censorship is censorship.
But are people getting hurt if someone mocks a band? No. They're not.
Does ap.net open wounds and make already exsisting nightmares worse? No. It doesn't.
Does AP knowingly take photographs and articles of people's deaths and post them for others to mock at? No, it's not.

[ashleypetrey]

it's not about free speech, either.

that amendment is in there, was placed in the bill of rights originally, so we didn't have to be oppressed by a monarchy. take some history, asshole. not to make fun of dead people publically. i weep for our generation, let alone our entire society that we can be so hurtful and hateful of each other.

the internet is getting out of control. nambla has a fucking website. NAMBLA. this is just another step towards proverbial armageddon.

also, it's my right under the free speech doctorine to call someone a tool.

YOU GUYS ARE BOTH TOOLS.

god bless america.

(oh, and what are you then, a freshman in college? how fucking old are you? just tell us! it's important in my workup of your psyche.)

[Jason Tate]

it's not about free speech, either.

that amendment is in there, was placed in the bill of rights originally, so we didn't have to be oppressed by a monarchy. take some history, asshole. not to make fun of dead people publically. i weep for our generation, let alone our entire society that we can be so hurtful and hateful of each other.

the internet is getting out of control. nambla has a fucking website. NAMBLA. this is just another step towards proverbial armageddon.

also, it's my right under the free speech doctorine to call someone a tool.

YOU GUYS ARE BOTH TOOLS.

god bless america.

(oh, and what are you then, a freshman in college? how fucking old are you? just tell us! it's important in my workup of your psyche.)
Birthday: September 1986.

[ashleypetrey]

mmm, i'm going late january of 1987.

[ambulance]

Yet, you KNOW people disagree with you in this thread and are posting things that are PROBABLY going to "piss you off" - yet you continue to sit here and respond. You now what's coming every time you refresh this page ... you're a glutton for punishment (so they say).

Does that make you A) a hypocrite, B) a fucking idiot, or C) both.

So you are disaggreeing with my statement? Or are you just trying to save yourself from seeing a lose by resorting to name calling and not addressing my point.

[ambulance]

Just because you have the right to free speech doesn't mean you have to use it. People have the right to do lots things they probably shouldn't ... it's not about free speech (see page 2 of this same thread) it's about COMPASSION.

This same retort has been posted ad nausea in this thread, yet you still ignore it.
And not EVERYONE HAS TO USE COMPASSION. That is their choice. Sure it's horrible that these people don't have any compassion. But the world is always going to be like this. You have to DEAL WITH IT.

[ashleypetrey]

don't you have a life?

you didn't "win."

god you're dumb! i'm really just floored by how fucking dumb you are!

[ashleypetrey]

And not EVERYONE HAS TO USE COMPASSION. That is their choice. Sure it's horrible that these people don't have any compassion. But the world is always going to be like this. You have to DEAL WITH IT.


does your daddy not hug you at night or something?

[Jason Tate]

And not EVERYONE HAS TO USE COMPASSION. That is their choice. Sure it's horrible that these people don't have any compassion. But the world is always going to be like this. You have to DEAL WITH IT.
I disagree. 100%. Just "dealing with it" - means nothing will ever change. I have higher hopes for humanity as a whole, and more respect for my fellow humans (although this thread, and that website make me second guess things). People can evolve, people can change, and I think that just "dealing with it" is accepting a status quo that I am not comfortable with. The human race doesn't need to be a cesspool.

Not everyone HAS to use compassion, that's exactly my point. That this website was NOT using compassion and was not doing anything to better humanity or life in general. Therefore, that's my reasoning for it being shut down ... NOT free speech. You can pick one argument or the other ... that I'm going against free speech, or that not everyone has to have compassion. You can't have both because they're counter to eachother. You pick the argument path you want to go down ... I'll adjust accordingly.

[ambulance]

don't you have a life?

you didn't "win."

god you're dumb! i'm really just floored by how fucking dumb you are!

Didnt say I won. I was just pointing out the fact that he didn't answer my question. And alluded to a possible reason to why that might be.

[Jason Tate]

So you are disaggreeing with my statement? Or are you just trying to save yourself from seeing a lose by resorting to name calling and not addressing my point.

Obviously I am "disaggreeing" with your statement because you're disagreeing with your own statement. You said you could basically, "be the better man and not have to look at things that bother you" yet you sit in this thread and do just that. You've either proven yourself wrong, or proven me right. You can take your pick on that topic as well ....

[Jason Tate]

Didnt say I won. I was just pointing out the fact that he didn't answer my question. And alluded to a possible reason to why that might be.
What question did you even ask me? Uh.. you made a statement (by your own admission: "So you are disaggreeing with my statement?") - not a question.

[ashleypetrey]

the converse of "lose" is "win."

ingles es buena.

[ambulance]

I disagree. 100%. Just "dealing with it" - means nothing will ever change. I have higher hopes for humanity as a whole, and more respect for my fellow humans (although this thread, and that website make me second guess things). People can evolve, people can change, and I think that just "dealing with it" is accepting a status quo that I am not comfortable with. The human race doesn't need to be a cesspool.

Not everyone HAS to use compassion, that's exactly my point. That this website was NOT using compassion and was not doing anything to better humanity or life in general. Therefore, that's my reasoning for it being shut down ... NOT free speech. You can pick one argument or the other ... that I'm going against free speech, or that not everyone has to have compassion. You can't have both because they're counter to eachother. You pick the argument path you want to go down ... I'll adjust accordingly.

God, I think you are on the edge of something right here. I think you are finally getting it. You disagree. That is all you had to say. My opinion is different from yours. I don't have hope for humanity. Call me whatever you like, but IMO at this point in time(can even be alluded to christianity) things will only get worse (apocalypse).

Now was that so hard?

[ambulance]

What question did you even ask me? Uh.. you made a statement (by your own admission: "So you are disaggreeing with my statement?") - not a question.

Okay good job, you found an error in my sentence. Why dont you go back and look at my posts and find where thatll little question mark snuck past you. You know what ill get it for you.

" I mean can I not get an agreement that peoples lives would be better if they would avoid digging yourself into a large hole to dwell in? Because in my eyes thats what Andy has done. It is completely okay to mourn. But people would be better off if they didn't look into things that they know are going to piss them off, which he knew was coming. And if you disagree with that then I don't know what the hell is wrong with you."

[ashleypetrey]

you're not allowed to placate the adults.

shame on you.

you still won't tell us how old you are.

[Jason Tate]

God, I think you are on the edge of something right here. I think you are finally getting it. You disagree. That is all you had to say. My opinion is different from yours. I don't have hope for humanity. Call me whatever you like, but IMO at this point in time(can even be alluded to christianity) things will only get worse (apocalypse).

Now was that so hard?

Well, let's see - the VERY FIRST POST (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showpost.php?p=2939139&postcount=20) I MADE IN THIS THREAD was saying the exact same thing as I just said. A call for respect. You're the one that's brought this 19 pages and almost 50 something posts of my own repeating myself, over, and over, until you finally got it through your thick skull.

I don't know where my mind explodes sooner, at you being a so-called-self-proclaimed Christian and typing some of things you have today ... or that you continue to have no real clue about your own stance on this matter.

[enj0i29]

So you are disaggreeing with my statement? Or are you just trying to save yourself from seeing a lose by resorting to name calling and not addressing my point.

seeing a loss? you definitely are trying to "win" this stupid fucking argument.

[ambulance]

Obviously I am "disaggreeing" with your statement because you're disagreeing with your own statement. You said you could basically, "be the better man and not have to look at things that bother you" yet you sit in this thread and do just that. You've either proven yourself wrong, or proven me right. You can take your pick on that topic as well ....

I have no rise in emotion at all in this thread. It's not bothering me one bit. Do you want to know why? Because it doesnt effect me in one tiny way. I could stop posting any second and not think about this in 30 minutes. But according to you I enjoy seeing people bash my opinions (becasue they think theirs is better than mine.)

[ambulance]

you're not allowed to placate the adults.

shame on you.

you still won't tell us how old you are.

Umm. Jason already answered this question. Not that it has any relevance.

[enj0i29]

I have no rise in emotion at all in this thread. It's not bothering me one bit. Do you want to know why? Because it doesnt effect me in one tiny way. I could stop posting any second and not think about this in 30 minutes. But according to you I enjoy seeing people bash my opinions (becasue they think theirs is better than mine.)

This might just be my freedom of speech kicking in, but you should eat a bowl of dicks.

[ambulance]

Well, let's see - the VERY FIRST POST (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showpost.php?p=2939139&postcount=20) I MADE IN THIS THREAD was saying the exact same thing as I just said. A call for respect. You're the one that's brought this 19 pages and almost 50 something posts of my own repeating myself, over, and over, until you finally got it through your thick skull.

I don't know where my mind explodes sooner, at you being a so-called-self-proclaimed Christian and typing some of things you have today ... or that you continue to have no real clue about your own stance on this matter.

And I didn't call my self a christian. I Just stated that it could be alluded. Where did I state that?
How do I not have a clue about my stance?

[Jason Tate]

Okay good job, you found an error in my sentence. Why dont you go back and look at my posts and find where thatll little question mark snuck past you. You know what ill get it for you.

" I mean can I not get an agreement that peoples lives would be better if they would avoid digging yourself into a large hole to dwell in? Because in my eyes thats what Andy has done. It is completely okay to mourn. But people would be better off if they didn't look into things that they know are going to piss them off, which he knew was coming. And if you disagree with that then I don't know what the hell is wrong with you."
And I responded by saying how can you hold that argument in your head, and even ask such a question when you are being completely hypocritical by asking it in this very thread. You're in this thread "digging into a hole to dwell in" yet you know you'd be better off if you were not. THAT'S HYPOCRISY BUDDY!

Furthermore, I answered the question anyways earlier and said to email Andy with your wonderful catch-all-solution to mourning. Guess you missed that one too. I'm sorry that you skipped, or have not had, any psychology courses yet. But when you learn about mourning, and learn about the human psyche, I'll let you come back to this thread and retract some of your statements that are in direct contradiction to what almost any PHD in the field will tell someone who's been through this kind of trauma to do ...