Now that the reign of Jesse Lacey is going to end since Daisy is going to be worse th

[chipdip18]

an TDAG, who do you think will take Jesse Lacey's place as the cool guy to like/hate on AP.net? I vote Nate Ruess

Forum's hurting with this threads about posters, so i might as well make a crappy thread while i have time to hide it amongst these other threads and hopefully maintain my street cred.
/Justification

Now that i have your attention, go search all these Elephant 6 threads that Dion and I have been trying to bump/start. Yes, this is promotion for my new latest obsession. You aren't hipster enough if you can only like In the Aeroplane Over the Sea. In fact, if you only like that album we're starting to judge you in a very condescending way.

[Genuma]

yeah, I don't like the new song. but, I'm not really a Brand New fan, so I guess I wouldn't.

[chipdip18]

I haven't even heard the song, just that one clip they had of it.

[The Personist]

Song is shit.

I refuse to hate Nate.

[I am Mick]

This man should've never had a "reign". Writes average music, can't put together a cohesive record, and steals from fans.

[Genuma]

I hope Nate Reuss gets big.

[HangsLikeHeaven]

Good posts all 'round.

[HangsLikeHeaven]

And I can't stand the new song.

[oddwithoutend]

an TDAG, who do you think will take Jesse Lacey's place as the cool guy to like/hate on AP.net? I vote Nate Ruess

Forum's hurting with this threads about posters, so i might as well make a crappy thread while i have time to hide it amongst these other threads and hopefully maintain my street cred.
/Justification

Now that i have your attention, go search all these Elephant 6 threads that Dion and I have been trying to bump/start. Yes, this is promotion for my new latest obsession. You aren't hipster enough if you can only like In the Aeroplane Over the Sea. In fact, if you only like that album we're starting to judge you in a very condescending way.

So, I guess the answer is becoming Jeff Mangum?

[Osto]

The new song isn't bad. I'm still interested in hearing the rest of the album.


And over my dead body will I actually enjoy most of the music that comes from Elephant 6 Collective.

[The Personist]

The new song isn't bad. I'm still interested in hearing the rest of the album.


And over my dead body will I actually enjoy most of the music that comes from Elephant 6 Collective.

No one will ever like you.

EDIT: Also, that's just an arrogant statement that assumes too much about the music without listening.

[Osto]

I guess it was just some bad humor on my part. I'm sorry if I offend anyone in the process. And I am fairly familiar with most of the bands and their discographies. I can safely say I've given all of the bands a good enough listen in the past few years. I'm just not a fan of music.


EDIT: I will give credit when credit is due though, The Apples In Stereo's Powerpuff Girls song is awesome.

[Undue Noise]

an TDAG, who do you think will take Jesse Lacey's place as the cool guy to like/hate on AP.net? I vote Nate Ruess

Forum's hurting with this threads about posters, so i might as well make a crappy thread while i have time to hide it amongst these other threads and hopefully maintain my street cred.
/Justification

Now that i have your attention, go search all these Elephant 6 threads that Dion and I have been trying to bump/start. Yes, this is promotion for my new latest obsession. You aren't hipster enough if you can only like In the Aeroplane Over the Sea. In fact, if you only like that album we're starting to judge you in a very condescending way.
This made me laugh. So many people are being hipster with In The Aeroplane Over The Sea so we've got to out-hipster them with more obscure Elephant 6 records. I like The Olivia Tremor Control, Of Montreal and The Apples In Stereo. Am I cool now?

[billyboatkid]

I like the lyrics, I just dont get why the fuck he's singing like that. It's terrible.

I really, really don't want to be let down by this record. Dman it.

[deFobbed14yrs]

we haven't even heard the whole song yet and i kinda don't want to. i blame noah fawkes

[The Personist]

The lyrics are atrocious.

[TheRealJohnOC]

its weird how he went from record to record. He should be alright if he stops that dumb whispering then shouting thing imo

[stupidtyonparad]

new song is awful. sounds like it was behind flying at tree level for contention on deja entendu. lyrics are god awful. worst of the new songs. scared they peaked with the devil and god.


cool new guy to hate? i cant help anyone on that, i dont listen to most of the hype bands on this site (except brand new)

[Cøltøn]

Good song

[<3rkwon]

new song is awesome. has a grunge feel to me.

[thespearkid]

an TDAG, who do you think will take Jesse Lacey's place as the cool guy to like/hate on AP.net? I vote Nate Ruess

Forum's hurting with this threads about posters, so i might as well make a crappy thread while i have time to hide it amongst these other threads and hopefully maintain my street cred.
/Justification

Now that i have your attention, go search all these Elephant 6 threads that Dion and I have been trying to bump/start. Yes, this is promotion for my new latest obsession. You aren't hipster enough if you can only like In the Aeroplane Over the Sea. In fact, if you only like that album we're starting to judge you in a very condescending way.
LOL. The hipster mentality has finally come full circle. It is now uncool to like In the Aeroplane Over the Sea unless you like at least three other Elephant 6 projects.

What did you think of that Beula album, by the way?

[irockyournipple]

The lyrics are pretty shitty, other than that I don't mind it.

edit: i'm talking the new Br& New song here

[bestofmoss]

the song and lyrics rule.

[Shattered Glass]

reminds me of modest mouse

[xJesusFreakx]

reminds me of modest mouse

lulz

[irockyournipple]

the song and lyrics rule.
No.

[Shattered Glass]

heh

[xJesusFreakx]

No.

"At the Bottom" > The Sound of Animals Fighting

[Chromefox]

The song is only that bad if you're trying too hard to see Jesse Lacey as an artist and Brand New as an amazing band, or similarly, if you want to hate the band to + your hipster cred.

[irockyournipple]

"At the Bottom" > The Sound of Animals Fighting
That's your opinion, mine is that "At The Bottom" has shitty lyrics and that TSOAF are awesome.

I'm gonna go change my avatar to up my cred now.

[xJesusFreakx]

That's your opinion, mine is that "At The Bottom" has shitty lyrics and that TSOAF are awesome.

I'm gonna go change my avatar to up my cred now.

Brand New does the whole faux-indie scene band thing much better than anything Anthony Green has ever been a part of.

I feel like we aren't friends.

[zubinmoosa]

Dumb thread

[EvilZeppelin]

Dumb thread

Agree.

[xxemo_kittyxx]

Everything > The Sounds Of Animals Fighting

Seriously, they just sound like noise.

[fanberlinboy]

Stephen Christian should replace Jesse Lacey as the king of AP.net.

Somewhat kidding, somewhat serious.

[Shattered Glass]

seriously they just sound like animals fighting

[xxemo_kittyxx]

Stephen Christian should replace Jesse Lacey as the king of AP.net.

Somewhat kidding, somewhat serious.

Explain.

[Jumpoff]

LOL. The hipster mentality has finally come full circle. It is now uncool to like In the Aeroplane Over the Sea unless you like at least three other Elephant 6 projects.

What did you think of that Beula album, by the way?

I always forget Beulah is Elephant 6. They are the only Elephant 6 band I like aside from NMH.. Yoko is an awesmoe album.

[fanberlinboy]

Explain.
Great vocalist, great lyricist, and has both Anberlin and Anchor & Braille which are both quality acts.

[xxemo_kittyxx]

I see.
I think he's great and all but I still don't see how he can be compared to Jesse Lacey. Its hard to find someone else who's just as arrogant to their fans but can still write songs about mothers holding their decapitated daughter's heads.

[Jumpoff]

I see.
I think he's great and all but I still don't see how he can be compared to Jesse Lacey. Its hard to find someone else who's just as arrogant to their fans but can still write songs about mothers holding their decapitated daughter's heads.

I'm not seeing the correlation.

[A Regular]

I enjoyed YFW.

[Cuddleworthy]

Everything > The Sounds Of Animals Fighting

Seriously, they just sound like noise.

this was funny

[xxemo_kittyxx]

I'm not seeing the correlation.

I was talking about Jesse and how he's so arrogant and the song limousine.

[fanberlinboy]

I see.
I think he's great and all but I still don't see how he can be compared to Jesse Lacey. Its hard to find someone else who's just as arrogant to their fans but can still write songs about mothers holding their decapitated daughter's heads.
So that's why he's so loved around here lol. (sarcasm)

[theguy77]

obviously Ryan Mentzos is gonna take his place

[irockyournipple]

Brand New does the whole faux-indie scene band thing much better than anything Anthony Green has ever been a part of.

I feel like we aren't friends.
better than anything anthony green has done lol. you can't be serious.

[Jumpoff]

I was talking about Jesse and how he's so arrogant and the song limousine.

But how are they related at all? It sounds like you were saying how can someone so arrogant make a song like limousine, which doesn't make sense to me

[SolitaryBlue]

brand new is awesome. why the hell are you guys trying so hard to be "indie"?

[RecklessXRandy]

I don't like the new song

[xJesusFreakx]

obviously Ryan Mentzos is gonna take his place

Maybe...

better than anything anthony green has done lol. you can't be serious.

I moderately enjoy TSOAF in spite of his involvement, and I like maybe one song from his stay with Saosin. Circa Survive is highly overrated. Anthony's voice is one of the most annoying voices I've ever heard. I find it completely hilarious that someone who finds Anthony Green to be a good vocalist thinks he looks cool when he makes fun of Brand New.

TDAGARIM is better than anything Anthony ever has or ever will touch. Heck, Deja Entendu is better than any of his projects.

[DejaNew]

I knew about Of Montreal before it was cool to know about Of Montreal.

[El_Jeffe]

i remember back in the day when i was one of about 3 or 4 people who weren't into brand new on here... man the times have changed haha. but each to their own

[cirerelleum]

No matter what you say, he's still the king ;-)

[azlisa]

Nate is a great, great guy. He has always been so nice. The Format AND fun. are both great bands. Why would anyone hate Nate?

[irockyournipple]

Maybe...



I moderately enjoy TSOAF in spite of his involvement, and I like maybe one song from his stay with Saosin. Circa Survive is highly overrated. Anthony's voice is one of the most annoying voices I've ever heard. I find it completely hilarious that someone who finds Anthony Green to be a good vocalist thinks he looks cool when he makes fun of Brand New.

TDAGARIM is better than anything Anthony ever has or ever will touch. Heck, Deja Entendu is better than any of his projects.
Wow. Anthony Green is a far better vocalist than Jesse Lacey, that's not even debatable. That's fact. Anthony is more experienced in the music scene, having been with many projects of multiple genres. Heck, not many people have been in both a powerpop and a deathcore band, as well as progressive rock, two post-hardcore acts, and then his solo work which is mainly acoustic.

I'm not making fun of Brand New because I think it's cool. I'm not even making fun of Brand New. I love Brand New and Deja Entendu is one of my favorite albums of all time. Brand New is an awesome band and Jesse Lacey is a great musician, but Anthony Green is simply better. Better vocalist, better musician, and a damn good lyricist. I'm sorry I continue to ramble on and on but I am just setting the record straight.

[circasurviver]

fun is good, but I'm positive Daisy will be better.
Anthony Green is the man.Where's the new Circa? The last sounds of Animals fighting was amazing.

[irockyournipple]

fun is good, but I'm positive Daisy will be better.
Anthony Green is the man.Where's the new Circa? The last sounds of Animals fighting was amazing.
:nod:

Pretty sure they're aiming for a Winter release for Circa.

[briewer]

Thank you for bringing up Elephant 6. Has anyone else heard Music Tapes For Clouds and Tornadoes? I haven't seen it mentioned once.

[xJesusFreakx]

Wow. Anthony Green is a far better vocalist than Jesse Lacey, that's not even debatable. That's fact. Anthony is more experienced in the music scene, having been with many projects of multiple genres. Heck, not many people have been in both a powerpop and a deathcore band, as well as progressive rock, two post-hardcore acts, and then his solo work which is mainly acoustic.

I'm not making fun of Brand New because I think it's cool. I'm not even making fun of Brand New. I love Brand New and Deja Entendu is one of my favorite albums of all time. Brand New is an awesome band and Jesse Lacey is a great musician, but Anthony Green is simply better. Better vocalist, better musician, and a damn good lyricist. I'm sorry I continue to ramble on and on but I am just setting the record straight.

1.) Technically, Jesse has been making music longer than Anthony has, so if you really want to use that as a criteria for a better vocalist (which makes no sense to me), go ahead.

2.) Making music in more than one genre does not in any way make someone a more talented vocalist.

3.) Jesse's vocals on TDAGARIM are so much better than any vocals I've ever heard from Anthony it's ridiculous. I've listened tol Saosin, Circa Survive, and the Sound of Animals Fighting plenty of times, and I've seen Circa Survive live, so I'm not just making this assumption based on Anthony's status as a scene icon. Jesse just sounds much better.

4.) Anthony's lyrics are "deep" in the same way that someone sounds "deep" when he's high; it makes no sense, so you assume that it's just really profound and going over your head, but really, it's just a bunch of nice-sounding nothing. Jesse isn't a great lyricist by any means, but his best moments outshine Anthony's easily.

[Jumpoff]

1.) Technically, Jesse has been making music longer than Anthony has, so if you really want to use that as a criteria for a better vocalist (which makes no sense to me), go ahead.

2.) Making music in more than one genre does not in any way make someone a more talented vocalist.

3.) Jesse's vocals on TDAGARIM are so much better than any vocals I've ever heard from Anthony it's ridiculous. I've listened tol Saosin, Circa Survive, and the Sound of Animals Fighting plenty of times, and I've seen Circa Survive live, so I'm not just making this assumption based on Anthony's status as a scene icon. Jesse just sounds much better.

4.) Anthony's lyrics are "deep" in the same way that someone sounds "deep" when he's high; it makes no sense, so you assume that it's just really profound and going over your head, but really, it's just a bunch of nice-sounding nothing. Jesse isn't a great lyricist by any means, but his best moments outshine Anthony's easily.

You just described Lacey's lyrics.

And I do like Brand New a lot.

[irockyournipple]

1.) Technically, Jesse has been making music longer than Anthony has, so if you really want to use that as a criteria for a better vocalist (which makes no sense to me), go ahead.

2.) Making music in more than one genre does not in any way make someone a more talented vocalist.

3.) Jesse's vocals on TDAGARIM are so much better than any vocals I've ever heard from Anthony it's ridiculous. I've listened tol Saosin, Circa Survive, and the Sound of Animals Fighting plenty of times, and I've seen Circa Survive live, so I'm not just making this assumption based on Anthony's status as a scene icon. Jesse just sounds much better.

4.) Anthony's lyrics are "deep" in the same way that someone sounds "deep" when he's high; it makes no sense, so you assume that it's just really profound and going over your head, but really, it's just a bunch of nice-sounding nothing. Jesse isn't a great lyricist by any means, but his best moments outshine Anthony's easily.
1. I wasn't saying that's why he's a better vocalist, I was just saying he's well versed in the music scene. Jesse hasn't been making music longer than Anthony, they both released material for the first time officially in 1999.

2. I never said it did, but it makes him a more talented musician. Plus, Anthony is an excellent screamer.

3. It doesn't matter if he sounds better, Anthony is better. Ask anyone who knows anything about singing and they will tell you that.

4. I disagree completely. You have to really sit down with Anthony's lyrics to understand them. Unless you put in that time you won't get it.

[tehdangerdave]

The only part of the song that bothers me are the lyrics for the first part of the first verse. Other than that, the song is a-ok with me.

[xJesusFreakx]

You just described Lacey's lyrics.

And I do like Brand New a lot.

The difference is that Jesse has moments that work, like "Limousine." Anthony, not so much. Even if they were equals lyrically, though, the other points would still stand. I would never try to defend Jesse against any lyrical greats, but to rank him below Anthony Green is ridiculous.

[irockyournipple]

The difference is that Jesse has moments that work, like "Limousine." Anthony, not so much. Even if they were equals lyrically, though, the other points would still stand. I would never try to defend Jesse against any lyrical greats, but to rank him below Anthony Green is ridiculous.

I never said Anthony was a better lyricist.

[Jumpoff]

The difference is that Jesse has moments that work, like "Limousine." Anthony, not so much. Even if they were equals lyrically, though, the other points would still stand. I would never try to defend Jesse against any lyrical greats, but to rank him below Anthony Green is ridiculous.

Uhm Limousine is the exact type of song where Lacey does this. Bad example

[xJesusFreakx]

1. I wasn't saying that's why he's a better vocalist, I was just saying he's well versed in the music scene. Jesse hasn't been making music longer than Anthony, they both released material for the first time officially in 1999.

2. I never said it did, but it makes him a more talented musician. Plus, Anthony is an excellent screamer.

3. It doesn't matter if he sounds better, Anthony is better. Ask anyone who knows anything about singing and they will tell you that.

4. I disagree completely. You have to really sit down with Anthony's lyrics to understand them. Unless you put in that time you won't get it.

1.) I'm pretty sure that Jesse released something a year before Anthony did, but to be honest, I don't care. This point is irrelevant.

2.) Anyone can assemble a band for a different genre and release music for that genre. It's no big feat to go from pop punk to heavier music. Jesse hasn't done it because he has no interest in doing so, not because he's not a good enough musician to mix things up. He knows what he likes, and he's comfortable with that. Also, "Anthony is an excellent screamer"? I'm not even going to touch that.

3.) How is Anthony better? Because he can belt out satisfactory screams? Give an example of his amazing vocal abilities.

4.) Explain some to me, then.

[irockyournipple]

1.) I'm pretty sure that Jesse released something a year before Anthony did, but to be honest, I don't care. This point is irrelevant.

2.) Anyone can assemble a band for a different genre and release music for that genre. It's no big feat to go from pop punk to heavier music. Jesse hasn't done it because he has no interest in doing so, not because he's not a good enough musician to mix things up. He knows what he likes, and he's comfortable with that. Also, "Anthony is an excellent screamer"? I'm not even going to touch that.

3.) How is Anthony better? Because he can belt out satisfactory screams? Give an example of his amazing vocal abilities.

4.) Explain some to me, then.
1. Fair enough.

2. I'm going to guess you don't know anything about screaming. I do, considering I practice it and have been for about a year and a half. Listen to this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti1Vtr1frsA) and that will prove my point. If it doesn't then I guess I was right about you not knowing anything about screaming.

3. Better range, for one, and yeah screaming gives him an edge. Anthony writes better melodies, and doesn't do "whisper YELL whisper" in every song.

4. Pick a Circa Survive song and I will.

[circasurviver]

:nod:

Pretty sure they're aiming for a Winter release for Circa.
Awesome can't wait.

[SophGod]

to be honest, i cant stand anthony green's voice. at all. person preference, i guess.

[SophGod]

Bayside < Brand New


Daisy will end up being bad and still be better than all of Bayside's material.

this.


and i actually like bayside.

[irockyournipple]

Awesome can't wait.
Yeah, me neither, it should be great.

[as_we_learn]

Circa Survive hasn't been very good in the first place. Anthony Green's voice is annoying and his range is ok, it's not great because it is as high as it is.

[circasurviver]

going off an album to album comparison. TDAG is leagues better than either Circa album.

[as_we_learn]

going off an album to album comparison. TDAG is leagues better than either Circa album.

THIS. No matter what you say Jesse Lacey is much more talented than Anthony. Just tell that kid to give it a rest.

[xJesusFreakx]

nnXjarIVPGU

I bored of the absurdity of this argument, so I'm done. You'll probably see this as winning the argument, which I find sad and not desirable, but it's not worth the time. Besides, regardless of how this ends, you'll see yourself as the winner. Why waste the time?

[circasurviver]

but I'll take Circa Or ...animals fighting over Deja and YFW.

[Ari Christos]

1. Fair enough.

2. I'm going to guess you don't know anything about screaming. I do, considering I practice it and have been for about a year and a half. Listen to this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti1Vtr1frsA) and that will prove my point. If it doesn't then I guess I was right about you not knowing anything about screaming.

3. Better range, for one, and yeah screaming gives him an edge. Anthony writes better melodies, and doesn't do "whisper YELL whisper" in every song.

4. Pick a Circa Survive song and I will.

I enjoy Juturna a lot and like Anthony Green/Circa Survive, but being able to scream doesn't make someone a better vocalist. And if we're talking range, Jesse has the wider one. Anthony Green sings in the same high octave on every song he's ever done.

[irockyournipple]

nnXjarIVPGU

I bored of the absurdity of this argument, so I'm done. You'll probably see this as winning the argument, which I find sad and not desirable, but it's not worth the time. Besides, regardless of how this ends, you'll see yourself as the winner. Why waste the time?
Because I'm right ;-)

You are one of the most annoying users on this site. And it takes a lot for someone to annoy me.

[xJesusFreakx]

Because I'm right ;-)

You are one of the most annoying users on this site. And it takes a lot for someone to annoy me.

The feeling's mutual. :-)

[Jumpoff]

Can we all agree that David Bazan is better than Green and Lacey at least? :-d

[irockyournipple]

I enjoy Juturna a lot and like Anthony Green/Circa Survive, but being able to scream doesn't make someone a better vocalist. And if we're talking range, Jesse has the wider one. Anthony Green sings in the same high octave on every song he's ever done.
1. Being able to scream well and sing well very much so makes some one a better vocalist.

2. He does not sing in the same high octave all the time, you obviously haven't heard his work with Audience Of One or his solo album.

[irockyournipple]

The feeling's mutual. :-)
Okay, well next time you feel like getting a rise out of someone, or making another piss poor attempt at comedy, don't turn to me because you are now on my ignore list.

[Charles777]

I will never hate Nate. NEVER

[irockyournipple]

THIS. No matter what you say Jesse Lacey is much more talented than Anthony. Just tell that kid to give it a rest.
Kid? You're a year older than me. And no, he's not.

[xJesusFreakx]

I'm on someone's ignore list. :thumbup:

[Ari Christos]

1. Being able to scream well and sing well very much so makes some one a better vocalist.

2. He does not sing in the same high octave all the time, you obviously haven't heard his work with Audience Of One or his solo album.

What's even the standard for "screaming well"? Lacey screams/yells and sings well too on all of Brand New's. I don't see how you're even trying to pull this argument. And Anthony Green sounds like he has ovaries in everything - Audience of One and his solo album included.

[as_we_learn]

1. Being able to scream well and sing well very much so makes some one a better vocalist.

2. He does not sing in the same high octave all the time, you obviously haven't heard his work with Audience Of One or his solo album.

Being a vocalist requires actual singing and screaming is not a form of singing. The two are completely different and you would know that if you knew anything about singing.

[irockyournipple]

What's even the standard for "screaming well"? Lacey screams/yells and sings well too on all of Brand New's. I don't see how you're even trying to pull this argument. And Anthony Green sounds like he has ovaries in everything - Audience of One and his solo album included.
Lacey does not scream well. It may sound good, but it takes absolutely no talent. To produce a scream like Anthony's takes lots of hard work and practice. Being someone who practices screaming, I should know.

edit: i didn't mean for that to sound like "i'm better than you" if it does. i don't know how to word it better.

[Ari Christos]

I'm on someone's ignore list. :thumbup:


I don't know how he called you annoying. I'm pretty sure he's been banned before and was voted worst poster in a poll on here.

[as_we_learn]

Kid? You're a year older than me. And no, he's not.

When someone is ignorant to what it takes to be an actual vocalist, I consider them kids. It's cool I was an idiot to music as well.

[irockyournipple]

Being a vocalist requires actual singing and screaming is not a form of singing. The two are completely different and you would know that if you knew anything about singing.
Screaming is a form of singing, you just produce a different sound. You don't know what you're talking about.

[irockyournipple]

I don't know how he called you annoying. I'm pretty sure he's been banned before and was voted worst poster in a poll on here.
Yep.

[Matt Chylak]

califone and springtime out the van window are two horrible songs in a row.

/random

[irockyournipple]

califone and springtime out the van window are two horrible songs in a row.

/random
Califone is my favorite on the album haha. "Springtime" sucks though. Way too long.

[irockyournipple]

When someone is ignorant to what it takes to be an actual vocalist, I consider them kids. It's cool I was an idiot to music as well.
Do you scream?

[xJesusFreakx]

I don't know how he called you annoying. I'm pretty sure he's been banned before and was voted worst poster in a poll on here.

We've clashed a couple times this past weekend. I think it started in the Emo thread, when I wouldn't listen to his name-dropping for recommendations because I wanted a user like Tog Dog to help me out.

[Matt Chylak]

Lacey does not scream well. It may sound good, but it takes absolutely no talent. To produce a scream like Anthony's takes lots of hard work and practice. Being someone who practices screaming, I should know.

edit: i didn't mean for that to sound like "i'm better than you" if it does. i don't know how to word it better.

should be easy, as i'm sure you haven't hit puberty yet...sort of like anthony green

[Alex!]

Jesse Lacey and Nate Ruess are both Gods. Daisy will be awesome. And I guess I'm not as hipster as I thought cause I only have In The Aeroplane Over The Sea and On Avery Island. Sorry Elephant 6.

[Jumpoff]

When someone is ignorant to what it takes to be an actual vocalist, I consider them kids. It's cool I was an idiot to music as well.

Was?

:-p

[irockyournipple]

should be easy, as i'm sure you haven't hit puberty yet...sort of like anthony green
You have no idea how stupid this sounds. I'd like to see you try to scream..

[Jumpoff]

Jesse Lacey and Nate Ruess are both Gods. Daisy will be awesome. And I guess I'm not as hipster as I thought cause I only have In The Aeroplane Over The Sea and On Avery Island. Sorry Elephant 6.

Get Beulah's Yoko! Such a good album. And it's not even like "look at me I'm super unaccessible", it's just awesome.

[as_we_learn]

Screaming is a form of singing, you just produce a different sound. You don't know what you're talking about.

Do you scream?

First of all you use your diaphragm when you sing because it tends to help with range and holding out notes longer. Screaming requires you to stress your vocal chords until it produces a "scream". You're an idiot for thinking screaming is a form of singing. It's just noise when it's compared to actual singing. You're ignorant to what music really is, it's ok like I said I was an idiot to music when I was 12 too.

[Ari Christos]

Lacey does not scream well. It may sound good, but it takes absolutely no talent. To produce a scream like Anthony's takes lots of hard work and practice. Being someone who practices screaming, I should know.

Alright Melissa Cross, I'm sorry. Jesus. Just because someone doesn't sing the orthodox way, doesn't make them any less a vocalist if it produces a desirable sound. Why wouldn't the same apply to screaming? Lacey still screams and sings well, and has a wider range. I don't see how that can be ignored just because Green sings "the right way."

[Jumpoff]

Lacey does not scream well. It may sound good, but it takes absolutely no talent. To produce a scream like Anthony's takes lots of hard work and practice. Being someone who practices screaming, I should know.

edit: i didn't mean for that to sound like "i'm better than you" if it does. i don't know how to word it better.

His screams aren't that difficult really, it's not like he's Jakob Bannon or Jeff Smith..

[Matt Chylak]

Was?

:-p

shout out to the electric city! my entire family lives there

You have no idea how stupid this sounds. I'd like to see you try to scream..

by the time you're my age, you'll understand why your every thought right now sounds immature

[Ari Christos]

First of all you use your diaphragm when you sing because it tends to help with range and holding out notes longer. Screaming requires you to stress your vocal chords until it produces a "scream". You're an idiot for thinking screaming is a form of singing. It's just noise when it's compared to actual singing. You're ignorant to what music really is, it's ok like I said I was an idiot to music when I was 12 too.

Adding to this, there's no "right way" to scream. It's not something your voice was meant to do. That's like saying "Oh yeah he can make his car fly, but I can make mine fly properly." It wasn't meant to do that in first place.

[irockyournipple]

First of all you use your diaphragm when you sing because it tends to help with range and holding out notes longer. Screaming requires you to stress your vocal chords until it produces a "scream". You're an idiot for thinking screaming is a form of singing. It's just noise when it's compared to actual singing. You're ignorant to what music really is, it's ok like I said I was an idiot to music when I was 12 too.
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. It's funny. You also use your diaphragm to scream, you should learn something about it before you spout off ignorant bullshit about shit you know nothing about. You're an idiot for thinking screaming ISN'T a form of singing. You don't know anything about it. It takes talent, more than singing, so shut up.

[irockyournipple]

Alright Melissa Cross, I'm sorry. Jesus. Just because someone doesn't sing the orthodox way, doesn't make them any less a vocalist if it produces a desirable sound. Why wouldn't the same apply to screaming? Lacey still screams and sings well, and has a wider range. I don't see how that can be ignored just because Green sings "the right way."

lol read the edit, i didn't mean for it to sound like that haha.

His screams aren't that difficult really, it's not like he's Jakob Bannon or Jeff Smith..

Yes they are. You really can't compare anyone to Jacob Bannon because well...he's pretty much untouchable.

shout out to the electric city! my entire family lives there



by the time you're my age, you'll understand why your every thought right now sounds immature

"anthony green hasn't hit puberty yet"

Shut up.

[danielineffigy]

You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. It's funny. You also use your diaphragm to scream, you should learn something about it before you spout off ignorant bullshit about shit you know nothing about. You're an idiot for thinking screaming ISN'T a form of singing. You don't know anything about it. It takes talent, more than singing, so shut up.
:hitself:

[Jumpoff]

shout out to the electric city! my entire family lives there

Awesome dude. Since you have family out here, Menzingers or Tigers Jaw fan?

Menzingers > Brand New, for the record.

[Ari Christos]

We've clashed a couple times this past weekend. I think it started in the Emo thread, when I wouldn't listen to his name-dropping for recommendations because I wanted a user like Tog Dog to help me out.

I'm new to these threads I don't much about that, but I can only imagine what was recommended.

[Jumpoff]

Yes they are. You really can't compare anyone to Jacob Bannon because well...he's pretty much untouchable.
.

Fair enough.

[as_we_learn]

You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. It's funny. You also use your diaphragm to scream, you should learn something about it before you spout off ignorant bullshit about shit you know nothing about. You're an idiot for thinking screaming ISN'T a form of singing. You don't know anything about it. It takes talent, more than singing, so shut up.

There's no talent in something that would ruin what actual singing should be moron. You don't understand anything. You're ignorant it's ok, I understand. Keep thinking that screaming is a form of screaming and we'll sing how your actual singing voice sounds like in a few years.

[irockyournipple]

:hitself:
Maybe that was going a bit too far...haha

But it's damn hard and takes years and years of practice. Someone writing it off like it's not even music pissed me off.

[irockyournipple]

There's no talent in something that would ruin what actual singing should be moron. You don't understand anything. You're ignorant it's ok, I understand. Keep thinking that screaming is a form of screaming and we'll sing how your actual singing voice sounds like in a few years.
If you knew anything about screaming you would know that it does no harm to you if you do it the right way. You're the ignorant one, stop thinking you're all high and mighty. Ask any talented screamer of any band.

[Ari Christos]

lol read the edit, i didn't mean for it to sound like that haha.



Alright, fair enough.

[irockyournipple]

Fair enough.
Jacob Bannon is incredible...I don't really like Converge but the stuff that man does..it's crazy haha

[Matt Chylak]

You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. It's funny. You also use your diaphragm to scream, you should learn something about it before you spout off ignorant bullshit about shit you know nothing about. You're an idiot for thinking screaming ISN'T a form of singing. You don't know anything about it. It takes talent, more than singing, so shut up.

case in point. try to form a fucking sentence without using fucking curse words, you dumbshit bitchface. spouting off random cockshit DECREASES the worth of your bullshit, ill-informed, cocksure opinions.

@ jumpoff - menzingers yeah, tigers jaw meh. no way they touch brand new

[chipdip18]

So, I guess the answer is becoming Jeff Mangum?

Hahaha exactly, but beyond just his work with Neutral Milk Hotel.

This made me laugh. So many people are being hipster with In The Aeroplane Over The Sea so we've got to out-hipster them with more obscure Elephant 6 records. I like The Olivia Tremor Control, Of Montreal and The Apples In Stereo. Am I cool now?

Yes! Now you are cool. That line was just my way of guilt tripping fellow wannabe hipsters. And it just might work.

[jawstheme]

But the new song is good...

[xJesusFreakx]

:hitself:

That's hilarious. (I'm quoting you because he apparently put me on ignore, so it's not worth quoting him.)

[irockyournipple]

case in point. try to form a fucking sentence without using fucking curse words, you dumbshit bitchface. spouting off random cockshit DECREASES the worth of your bullshit, ill-informed, cocksure opinions.

@ jumpoff - menzingers yeah, tigers jaw meh. no way they touch brand new
..

[Ari Christos]

But the new song is good...

Took me three or four listens, but I got really into it. I can understand people not liking the vocals, but I thought the lyrics were actually pretty well written :shrug:

[chipdip18]

LOL. The hipster mentality has finally come full circle. It is now uncool to like In the Aeroplane Over the Sea unless you like at least three other Elephant 6 projects.

What did you think of that Beula album, by the way?

Hahaha yeah, and sooner or later it'll evolve into Jeff Mangum's other projects, and then something else.

Really dug it, Vinh recommended me a second album of theirs to get. I'll post it after i look it up.

[as_we_learn]

If you knew anything about screaming you would know that it does no harm to you if you do it the right way. You're the ignorant one, stop thinking you're all high and mighty. Ask any talented screamer of any band.

Screaming isn't a form of singing, it's stupid and adds no substance. Wait until you start listening to actual music. Enough with this, you're ignorant it's over. Regardless it's still ruins your vocals moron. There's no right way of doing it.

[Daigle lol]

The new song grows on you.. I dont get how people can judge the whole CD over one song..

[jawstheme]

Took me three or four listens, but I got really into it. I can understand people not liking the vocals, but I thought the lyrics were actually pretty well written :shrug:

I think there are a lot of people that hate the hype this band gets around here so much that they will hate anything they do. I admit the hype is ridiculous, but that doesn't make the band bad.

[Jumpoff]

@ jumpoff - menzingers yeah, tigers jaw meh. no way they touch brand new

I honestly didn't like Tigers Jaw until recently. After hearing their new EP and giving the full length a few more listens it finally clicked. Doesn't hurt that they are almost always playing a show downtown.

I love the Menzingers. I used to like Brand New, a lot (just look at that thread with 10 favorite albums haha), now I barely listen to them. Completely grew out of them I guess. Same with Say Anything and Circa Survive.

[irockyournipple]

Screaming isn't a form of singing, it's stupid and adds no substance. Wait until you start listening to actual music. Enough with this, you're ignorant it's over. Regardless it's still ruins your vocals moron. There's no right way of doing it.
It does not ruin your vocals. I am not ignorant. You don't know what you're talking about. If you are so closed minded where you think that screaming adds no substance...

[Jumpoff]

Screaming isn't a form of singing, it's stupid and adds no substance. Wait until you start listening to actual music. Enough with this, you're ignorant it's over. Regardless it's still ruins your vocals moron. There's no right way of doing it.

Woah. I pretty much retired myself from using this word, but this calls for it. Pretentiousssssss.

[pennie]

You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. It's funny. You also use your diaphragm to scream, you should learn something about it before you spout off ignorant bullshit about shit you know nothing about. You're an idiot for thinking screaming ISN'T a form of singing. You don't know anything about it. It takes talent, more than singing, so shut up.
Ehhhh what?

[Matt Chylak]

It does not ruin your vocals. I am not ignorant. You don't know what you're talking about. If you are so closed minded where you think that screaming adds no substance...

start by backing up your opinions with substance

[irockyournipple]

Ehhhh what?
lol i corrected that a few posts back. I just get angry when people write screaming off as stupid and something that takes no talent. haha i was wrong when i said that, and i admit it.

[Ari Christos]

I think there are a lot of people that hate the hype this band gets around here so much that they will hate anything they do. I admit the hype is ridiculous, but that doesn't make the band bad.

And it's not necessarily their doing (the hype). I've got high hopes for this record. I don't see how people can judge the entire thing off of one single and a couple live videos on youtube.

[irockyournipple]

start by backing up your opinions with substance
They're not opinions, idiot.

[as_we_learn]

It does not ruin your vocals. I am not ignorant. You don't know what you're talking about. If you are so closed minded where you think that screaming adds no substance...
It adds no substance, screaming doesn't add emotion just because it sounds "angry" Actual singers know how to show emotion without nonsense like screaming.
Woah. I pretty much retired myself from using this word, but this calls for it. Pretentiousssssss.

It's not pretentious, it's fact. I'm just saying that's ignorant to think of screaming is a form of singing, ask anybody who actually sings and they will tell you the same thing.

[irockyournipple]

It adds no substance, screaming doesn't add emotion just because it sounds "angry" Actual singers know how to show emotion without nonsense like screaming.


It's not pretentious, it's fact. I'm just saying that's ignorant to think of screaming is a form of singing, ask anybody who actually sings and they will tell you the same thing.
lol just the fact that you think screaming ruins your vocals and takes no talent means you're an idiot.

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Yes, this takes no talent.

And screaming is a form of singing. It's not ignorant to say that, it's true. You do it the exact same way, you just use your throat to change it into a different sound.

[Matt Chylak]

I honestly didn't like Tigers Jaw until recently. After hearing their new EP and giving the full length a few more listens it finally clicked. Doesn't hurt that they are almost always playing a show downtown.

I love the Menzingers. I used to like Brand New, a lot (just look at that thread with 10 favorite albums haha), now I barely listen to them. Completely grew out of them I guess. Same with Say Anything and Circa Survive.

i don't like the tiger dudes voice and the lyrics aren't for me. brand new and say anything have both done what they're doing a hundred times better.

[Jumpoff]

It adds no substance, screaming doesn't add emotion just because it sounds "angry" Actual singers know how to show emotion without nonsense like screaming.


It's not pretentious, it's fact. I'm just saying that's ignorant to think of screaming is a form of singing, ask anybody who actually sings and they will tell you the same thing.

.... You told him to listen to actual music while you listen to the same exact music that everyone in this "scene" listens to, and actually most of the same music as him probably. Just because screaming isn't a form of singing doesn't mean that music with screaming doesn't have JUST AS MUCH substance if not more as any music with singing...

[pennie]

lol i corrected that a few posts back. I just get angry when people write screaming off as stupid and something that takes no talent. haha i was wrong when i said that, and i admit it.
haha ah ok.

[jake13]

it seems to me more people care about whats cool to like, instead of liking something for what it really is

[chipdip18]

it seems to me more people care about whats cool to like, instead of liking something for what it really is

Bingo!

[Jumpoff]

i don't like the tiger dudes voice and the lyrics aren't for me. brand new and say anything have both done what they're doing a hundred times better.

Fair enough on the first point, but they sound absolutely nothing like those two.

lol just the fact that you think screaming ruins your vocals and takes no talent means you're an idiot.


Yes, this takes no talent.

Bad choice on the Converge song that album sucked. And as much as I hate to agree him, screaming does ruin your vocals honestly, just look at Jerome's Dream haha.

[Matt Chylak]

They're not opinions, idiot.

i gave you advice on this already. you'll go a long way if you act a little more respectful to your elders, kid

and yes, i added kid to piss you off

[DejaNew]

Screaming as a form of singing? Hahaha.

[irockyournipple]

Fair enough on the first point, but they sound absolutely nothing like those two.



Bad choice that album sucked. And as much as I hate to agree him, screaming does ruin your vocals honestly, just look at Jerome's Dream haha.

Haha, I wouldn't know, I don't listen to Converge I just listen to random songs on youtube to figure out how the fuck Jacob Bannon does it.

And no, if you scream the right way it won't harm your vocals at all.

i gave you advice on this already. you'll go a long way if you act a little more respectful to your elders, kid

and yes, i added kid to piss you off

k.

[Ari Christos]

It adds no substance, screaming doesn't add emotion just because it sounds "angry" Actual singers know how to show emotion without nonsense like screaming.


It's not pretentious, it's fact. I'm just saying that's ignorant to think of screaming is a form of singing, ask anybody who actually sings and they will tell you the same thing.

Thom Yorke shows it without even singing. Oh shit!
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[pennie]

i gave you advice on this already. you'll go a long way if you act a little more respectful to your elders, kid

and yes, i added kid to piss you off
lay off the youngsters,kid.

[I am Mick]

That converge song was fucking awful

[irockyournipple]

Screaming as a form of singing? Hahaha.
lol.

[jake13]

Bingo!

I don't see why it matters If jesse lacey has reign over this site, I mean it only seems like most people here listen to music to score scene points

[as_we_learn]

.... You told him to listen to actual music while you listen to the same exact music that everyone in this "scene" listens to, and actually most of the same music as him probably. Just because screaming isn't a form of singing doesn't mean that music with screaming doesn't have JUST AS MUCH substance if not more as any music with singing...
I listen to a ton of music ranging from bands in this "scene" to people like Josh Groban and Adele, who actually sing. They use their voices to sing not to scream at people and show their emotion through that.
lol just the fact that you think screaming ruins your vocals and takes no talent means you're an idiot.

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Yes, this takes no talent.

And screaming is a form of singing. It's not ignorant to say that, it's true. You do it the exact same way, you just use your throat to change it into a different sound.

You're not suppose to use your throat very much in actual singing while you do use a lot of your throat when you scream, thus stressing the vocal cords and wearing the out quicker. And you're right that takes some amount of talent, but not very much.

[Jumpoff]

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ur moshin...

[Matt Chylak]

Fair enough on the first point, but they sound absolutely nothing like those two.



Bad choice on the Converge song that album sucked. And as much as I hate to agree him, screaming does ruin your vocals honestly, just look at Jerome's Dream haha.

BN and SA's earlier, punkier, more childish stuff about girls not loving them is what i'm referring to.

and yo kid, Jumpoff's second statement in this quote is what i mean about supporting your opinions

[chipdip18]

I don't see why it matters If jesse lacey has reign over this site, I mean it only seems like most people here listen to music to score scene points

Well this whole thread was founded on sarcasm.

[irockyournipple]

I listen to a ton of music ranging from bands in this "scene" to people like Josh Groban and Adele, who actually sing. They use their voices to sing not to scream at people and show their emotion through that.


You're not suppose to use your throat very much in actual singing while you do use a lot of your throat when you scream, thus stressing the vocal cords and wearing the out quicker. And you're right that takes some amount of talent, but not very much.
No, actually, good screamers use their throat very little, sometimes less than singers do. Again, you don't know anything about screaming or how it's done.

[as_we_learn]

Thom Yorke shows it without even singing. Oh shit!
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This made me LOL. Thom Yorke > Anthony Green.

[DejaNew]

lol.
I hope you're laughing at how ridiculous this claim is.

[pennie]

BN and SA's earlier, punkier, more childish stuff about girls not loving them is what i'm referring to.

and yo kid, Jumpoff's second statement in this quote is what i mean about supporting your opinions
Thats what Bought a Bride is about.

[irockyournipple]

bJBjWpas0q4

ur moshin...
Here we go...Jacob bannon is king.

[as_we_learn]

No, actually, good screamers use their throat very little, sometimes less than singers do. Again, you don't know anything about screaming or how it's done.

Haha you're an idiot if you actually think that. Now I know for a fact you know nothing about actual singing. Please GTFO with your ignorance.

[Jumpoff]

Well this whole thread was founded on sarcasm.

I don't think anyone really took the original thread's premise seriously anyway haha. I've tried getting into OTC and Apples in Stereo numerous times but they just never click. Maybe it's because im not big on the beatles either, don't know.

[irockyournipple]

I hope you're laughing at how ridiculous this claim is.
Nope.

[jbertclassic]

Just finished my first listen of At The Bottom.

I'm kind of split about it, I don't think it's awful. I sort of like the grunge feel. Lyrics are sub par and chorus is weak. Not a lot of resemblence to TDAG. Overall, it's decent. I think people have such expectations after TDAG that its almost impossible to please. Plus I heard that Vin wrote this song and that seems like it fits? Is that true?

Anyways, I'd say it's like a 5.5 or 6/10. Listenable, but if this is single material, then yeah Daisy could be in trouble. Let's hope not.

[Matt Chylak]

lay off the youngsters,kid.

awww...but it's so much fun. especially after the shit was taking in BN9 when i first came in today

but if you insist :-p

[irockyournipple]

Haha you're an idiot if you actually think that. Now I know for a fact you know nothing about actual singing. Please GTFO with your ignorance.
What do you know about screaming? It's done almost the exact same way as singing, you're the ignorant one.

[pennie]

awww...but it's so much fun. especially after the shit was taking in BN9 when i first came in today

but if you insist :-p
haha thats ma boy!

[xJesusFreakx]

Hahaha yeah, and sooner or later it'll evolve into Jeff Mangum's other projects, and then something else.

Really dug it, Vinh recommended me a second album of theirs to get. I'll post it after i look it up.

What are some good (maybe relatively more accessible) Elephant 6 albums? I want to listen to more music like that so that I can be a cool hipster with cred, too, and because I always love finding new tunes to love.

[Jumpoff]

BN and SA's earlier, punkier, more childish stuff about girls not loving them is what i'm referring to.

and yo kid, Jumpoff's second statement in this quote is what i mean about supporting your opinions

Haha I honestly have always hated BN and SA's really early stuff. I don't know why.

Check out teh new Tigers Jaw EP, it's not really like that..

[DejaNew]

What do you know about screaming? It's done almost the exact same way as singing, you're the ignorant one.
Did you make a claim a few pages back that singing and screaming are both done in the same way? You must have a pretty low IQ if you're making claims like that. If you're going to go along those lines, then you would have to also claim that talking is a form of singing. I can't believe how stupid some people can be.

[irockyournipple]

Did you make a claim a few pages back that singing and screaming are both done in the same way? You must have a pretty low IQ if you're making claims like that. If you're going to go along those lines, then you would have to also claim that talking is a form of singing. I can't believe how stupid some people can be.
Tell me how you think someone screams.

[Jumpoff]

What are some good (maybe relatively more accessible) Elephant 6 albums? I want to listen to more music like that so that I can be a cool hipster with cred, too, and because I always love finding new tunes to love.

Beulah - Yoko
Apples In Stereo - Tone Soul Evolution
Olivia Tremor Control - Dusk At Cubist Castle

I love Yoko. Other two I listed are alright but not big on them.

[chipdip18]

I don't think anyone really took the original thread's premise seriously anyway haha. I've tried getting into OTC and Apples in Stereo numerous times but they just never click. Maybe it's because im not big on the beatles either, don't know.

You're probably right. But hey, we're on page 12 out of nothing essentially just because the thread title mentioned Jesse Lacey.

Well Olivia Tremor Control, Elf Power, and Beulah definitely all have Beatles influence, so i guess that would make sense. Thanks for giving a solid try, it makes you a better music listener for it. Apples In Stereo is definitely more poppy. But yeah! Way to try, that's all anyone can ask.

[DejaNew]

What are some good (maybe relatively more accessible) Elephant 6 albums? I want to listen to more music like that so that I can be a cool hipster with cred, too, and because I always love finding new tunes to love.
Of Montreal's albums. Go with Hissing Fauna, Are You The Destroyer?

Little different, but pretty cool nonetheless.

[DejaNew]

Tell me how you think someone screams.
By screaming. Retard.

[as_we_learn]

What do you know about screaming? It's done almost the exact same way as singing, you're the ignorant one.

It's ok, be ignorant, I don't need to argue with you anymore. You're the very reason why I'm embarrassed of kids my age because you don't understand much about what talent really is. You fit the phrase of ignorance being bliss. Have fun in your blatant idiocy.

[Jumpoff]

Did you make a claim a few pages back that singing and screaming are both done in the same way? You must have a pretty low IQ if you're making claims like that. If you're going to go along those lines, then you would have to also claim that talking is a form of singing. I can't believe how stupid some people can be.

Talking is better than singing in music, obviously.

[Ari Christos]

This made me LOL. Thom Yorke > Anthony Green.


Apparently so is the old Mac SimpleText haha but I think we can all at least agree on Thom Yorke as a better vocalist than many, many others.

[chipdip18]

What are some good (maybe relatively more accessible) Elephant 6 albums? I want to listen to more music like that so that I can be a cool hipster with cred, too, and because I always love finding new tunes to love.

Jumpoff gave you some good rec's, but i'd throw in:
Beulah - When Your Heartstrings Break
Elf Power - A Dream In Sound
The Olivia Tremor Control - Music From Unrealized....

[thespearkid]

Screaming isn't a form of singing, it's stupid and adds no substance. Wait until you start listening to actual music. Enough with this, you're ignorant it's over. Regardless it's still ruins your vocals moron. There's no right way of doing it.
Disagree, completely. Screaming is a way to express an emotion. When done correctly, screaming in songs can be amazing.

[DejaNew]

It's ok, be ignorant, I don't need to argue with you anymore. You're the very reason why I'm embarrassed of kids my age because you don't understand much about what talent really is. You fit the phrase of ignorance being bliss. Have fun in your blatant idiocy.
J.R, don't leave, stay and show this kid what an idiot he is.

[Matt Chylak]

Thats what Bought a Bride is about.

i disagree, bride is more about a person being able to become whatever they want and how they change themselves to fit the image of what they want

[irockyournipple]

By screaming. Retard.

Not even close. No screaming is involved.

It's ok, be ignorant, I don't need to argue with you anymore. You're the very reason why I'm embarrassed of kids my age because you don't understand much about what talent really is. You fit the phrase of ignorance being bliss. Have fun in your blatant idiocy.

I'd like to see you try to scream, then not be able to talk for the next few days. People like Jacob Bannon can scream an entire live show and not feel any pain afterwords. Good luck in your future endeavors, cunt.

[Jumpoff]

Jumpoff gave you some good rec's, but i'd throw in:
Beulah - When Your Heartstrings Break
Elf Power - A Dream In Sound
The Olivia Tremor Control - Music From Unrealized....

Haha I recc'd the same exact OTC album :-p

[Matt Chylak]

Haha I honestly have always hated BN and SA's really early stuff. I don't know why.

Check out teh new Tigers Jaw EP, it's not really like that..

i'll check it out /promise

[xJesusFreakx]

Beulah - Yoko
Apples In Stereo - Tone Soul Evolution
Olivia Tremor Control - Dusk At Cubist Castle

I love Yoko. Other two I listed are alright but not big on them.

Of Montreal's albums. Go with Hissing Fauna, Are You The Destroyer?

Little different, but pretty cool nonetheless.

Jumpoff gave you some good rec's, but i'd throw in:
Beulah - When Your Heartstrings Break
Elf Power - A Dream In Sound
The Olivia Tremor Control - Music From Unrealized....

Thanks for the recommendations! (Why do I keep seeking new music when I'm not even done working through the running lists I have? lol.)

[DejaNew]

Disagree, completely. Screaming is a way to express an emotion. When done correctly, screaming in songs can be amazing.
It still isn't a form of singing though. This is a very simple concept. Screaming is screaming. Singing is singing. Talking is talking. Coughing is coughing. Although these sounds all come out of the mouth, they are all very different. They may be used to express emotion, but that doesn't make them singing.

[irockyournipple]

Disagree, completely. Screaming is a way to express an emotion. When done correctly, screaming in songs can be amazing.
Thank God we have a smart person in this thread.

[irockyournipple]

It still isn't a form of singing though. This is a very simple concept. Screaming is screaming. Singing is singing. Talking is talking. Coughing is coughing. Although these sounds all come out of the mouth, they are all very different. They may be used to express emotion, but that doesn't make them singing.
Screaming is not "screaming" it's just called that. No actual screaming is involved.

[DejaNew]

Thanks for the recommendations! (Why do I keep seeking new music when I'm not even done working through the running lists I have? lol.)
It's a never-ending journey. That's what makes music so fantastic.

[DejaNew]

Screaming is not "screaming" it's just called that. No actual screaming is involved.
I can't believe this guy. You are claiming that screaming is, in fact, not screaming. That's like pointing at a rock on the ground and saying "that's not a rock, that's a bagel"

[pennie]

i disagree, bride is more about a person being able to become whatever they want and how they change themselves to fit the image of what they want
Oh no it's definitely about Sherri Dupree.Just like Not The Sun is about her too.

[Jumpoff]

It's ok, be ignorant, I don't need to argue with you anymore. You're the very reason why I'm embarrassed of kids my age because you don't understand much about what talent really is. You fit the phrase of ignorance being bliss. Have fun in your blatant idiocy.

It's almost like you're trying to say that you need to be somewhat decent at singing to make good music. If that's what you're saying then I have to completely disagree..

[maxvsmaradona]

This thread is bananers.

[irockyournipple]

I can't believe this guy. You are claiming that screaming is, in fact, not screaming. That's like pointing at a rock on the ground and saying "that's not a rock, that's a bagel"
I'm being completely serious. No actual screaming, the way we think of it, is used when producing a musical scream.

[Matt Chylak]

I don't see why it matters If jesse lacey has reign over this site, I mean it only seems like most people here listen to music to score scene points

why do you feel that way, brand new lyrics in your signature?

[as_we_learn]

Apparently so is the old Mac SimpleText haha but I think we can all at least agree on Thom Yorke as a better vocalist than many, many others.
Thom Yorke is amazing.
Disagree, completely. Screaming is a way to express an emotion. When done correctly, screaming in songs can be amazing.
Screaming used to a certain extent is ok, but when used too much it's just redundant and annoying.
Not even close. No screaming is involved.



I'd like to see you try to scream, then not be able to talk for the next few days. People like Jacob Bannon can scream an entire live show and not feel any pain afterwords. Good luck in your future endeavors, cunt.
Listen to you using words as "cunt", you're so immature it's almost adorable. Screaming isn't a form of singing, just face it.
J.R, don't leave, stay and show this kid what an idiot he is.
I've tried to explain it to him, but he's ignorant, he can't understand.

[chipdip18]

Disagree, completely. Screaming is a way to express an emotion. When done correctly, screaming in songs can be amazing.

I agree, and look it at like you would distortion on a guitar. Both are unnatural, but both are a new and creative way to express an old sound. Although Screaming isn't singing exactly, just like DejaNew is saying. It's something else.... screaming.

Haha I recc'd the same exact OTC album :-p Hahahaha i keep forgetting that since the title is so long i just think of the first few words. Good catch though.

Thanks for the recommendations! (Why do I keep seeking new music when I'm not even done working through the running lists I have? lol.)

It still isn't a form of singing though. This is a very simple concept. Screaming is screaming. Singing is singing. Talking is talking. Coughing is coughing. Although these sounds all come out of the mouth, they are all very different. They may be used to express emotion, but that doesn't make them singing.

Wholeheartedly agree.

[thespearkid]

It still isn't a form of singing though. This is a very simple concept. Screaming is screaming. Singing is singing. Talking is talking. Coughing is coughing. Although these sounds all come out of the mouth, they are all very different. They may be used to express emotion, but that doesn't make them singing.
You're splitting hairs. If the screaming is melodic, it's singing. You're taking a very closed-minded look at things.

[xJesusFreakx]

This thread is bananers.

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[irockyournipple]

Thom Yorke is amazing.

Screaming used to a certain extent is ok, but when used too much it's just redundant and annoying.

Listen to you using words as "cunt", you're so immature it's almost adorable. Screaming isn't a form of singing, just face it.

I've tried to explain it to him, but he's ignorant, he can't understand.
I don't care what you think is immature, I think your swoop haircut and the fact that Your Favorite Weapon is your second favorite album of all time is immature, but whatever. Screaming is a form of singing, you don't know anything about screaming.

[as_we_learn]

It's almost like you're trying to say that you need to be somewhat decent at singing to make good music. If that's what you're saying then I have to completely disagree..

The talent of making music and singing are two completely different things, don't put words in my mouth.

[Matt Chylak]

This thread is bananers.

where've you been? i think you might be my favorite person to alternately argue/agree with

[DejaNew]

I'm being completely serious. No actual screaming, the way we think of it, is used when producing a musical scream.
WHAT the fuck are you trying to claim here? You're still making ridiculous claims, and you have no facts to back up your points. How does a child of 15 know how screaming is done anyways? You're in your squeaky voice stage.

[thespearkid]

Screaming used to a certain extent is ok, but when used too much it's just redundant and annoying.

I agree, but by saying screaming isn't singing, you're disqualifying a lot of different vocal patterns. What about mumbling? Wailing? Spoken-word?

[Jumpoff]

The talent of making music and singing are two completely different things, don't put words in my mouth.

Welllll that why I said I wasn't sure if that's what you were trying to say. It sounded like it was.

[chipdip18]

Wait, can screaming be melodic?

[Ari Christos]

I can't believe this guy. You are claiming that screaming is, in fact, not screaming. That's like pointing at a rock on the ground and saying "that's not a rock, that's a bagel"

http://i.current.com/images/asset/888/504/03/ewjQds.jpg

[irockyournipple]

WHAT the fuck are you trying to claim here? You're still making ridiculous claims, and you have no facts to back up your points. How does a child of 15 know how screaming is done anyways? You're in your squeaky voice stage.
lol no I'm not...I have a pretty deep voice, not gonna lie. I've been screaming for a year and a half.

Oh, and this is circatbs in case ya didn't know.

[thespearkid]

WHAT the fuck are you trying to claim here? You're still making ridiculous claims, and you have no facts to back up your points. How does a child of 15 know how screaming is done anyways? You're in your squeaky voice stage.
It's true. When screaming is done to a melody, it's closer to singing than it is to screaming.

[maxvsmaradona]

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Exactly what I was thinking!

where've you been? i think you might be my favorite person to alternately argue/agree with

I took a nap. Been thinkin about this girl everyday, and I was alone now in my bed. But seriously, I was tired.

So hello thread!

First thing's first: I love At The Bottom. It's a solid song. I can't stop listening to it.

[Jumpoff]

It's true. When screaming is done to a melody, it's closer to singing than it is to screaming.

I think I can see what you're trying to say. Like in mewithoutYou's Silencer, when he screams its closer to singing? That kinda sound?

[DejaNew]

I agree, and look it at like you would distortion on a guitar. Both are unnatural, but both are a new and creative way to express an old sound. Although Screaming isn't singing exactly, just like DejaNew is saying. It's something else.... screaming.

Wholeheartedly agree.
Good way to look at it. I'm glad somebody finally realizes the facts that are right in front of them.

You're splitting hairs. If the screaming is melodic, it's singing. You're taking a very closed-minded look at things.
I see where you're coming from, but if you think that screaming is a form of singing if it's used as part of a song, then if somebody talks during a song, that it should be considered singing as well.

[thespearkid]

Wait, can screaming be melodic?
Two-Headed Boy has melodic screaming (closer to wailing, actually). Degausser has melodic screaming. I mean, yeah, if the screams aren't part of a melody, I probably wouldn't call them singing but there are a lot of examples of "screams" that I would consider melodic.

[chipdip18]

Would Oberst in Desaparacidos count? I'm trying to imagine screaming melodiously.

[DejaNew]

It's true. When screaming is done to a melody, it's closer to singing than it is to screaming.
It wouldn't be considered screaming if it's closer to singing. It would be considered singing wouldn't it?

[irockyournipple]

Good way to look at it. I'm glad somebody finally realizes the facts that are right in front of them.


I see where you're coming from, but if you think that screaming is a form of singing if it's used as part of a song, then if somebody talks during a song, that it should be considered singing as well.
No, screaming can be melodic, talking can't. You're comparing things that can't be compared.

[Matt Chylak]

Oh no it's definitely about Sherri Dupree.Just like Not The Sun is about her too.

although you might be right (about both songs), i think part of the genius in jesse's writing is his ability to extend his songs' meanings way beyond what he originally wrote the songs about. (of course it helps that we try assign higher meaning to everything the guy says)

[as_we_learn]

I don't care what you think is immature, I think your swoop haircut and the fact that Your Favorite Weapon is your second favorite album of all time is immature, but whatever. Screaming is a form of singing, you don't know anything.

I haven't updated that in a while, I think YFW is a decent album at best. I like how you try to look at my profile to justify your argument. This is how I know that you're just a moron. I listen to stuff like Cursive, etc. I understand actual music.

[maxvsmaradona]

Why are people flipping shit over Jesse's sing/scream again? It's not like the guy is Se7en. Come on now.

[thespearkid]

I think I can see what you're trying to say. Like in mewithoutYou's Silencer, when he screams its closer to singing? That kinda sound?
mewithoutYou is a great example. Weiss' vocals run the gammant between screaming and spoken word. I consider that singing though.

Good way to look at it. I'm glad somebody finally realizes the facts that are right in front of them.


I see where you're coming from, but if you think that screaming is a form of singing if it's used as part of a song, then if somebody talks during a song, that it should be considered singing as well.
If it's melodic, it's singing.

[irockyournipple]

It wouldn't be considered screaming if it's closer to singing. It would be considered singing wouldn't it?
No. Just do me a favor and learn how screaming is done and you'll see exactly where I'm coming from.

[Jumpoff]

I haven't updated that in a while, I think YFW is a decent album at best. I like how you try to look at my profile to justify your argument. This is how I know that you're just a moron. I listen to stuff like Cursive, etc. I understand actual music.

:-d Interesting choice for a band to say that you understand music.

I can't tell if you're trolling or being serious anymore

[Matt Chylak]

No, screaming can be melodic, talking can't. You're comparing things that can't be compared.

let the grownups talk

[irockyournipple]

I haven't updated that in a while, I think YFW is a decent album at best. I like how you try to look at my profile to justify your argument. This is how I know that you're just a moron. I listen to stuff like Cursive, etc. I understand actual music.
namedrop alert!

I listen to stuff way better than Cursive, jus' sayin.

[as_we_learn]

I agree, but by saying screaming isn't singing, you're disqualifying a lot of different vocal patterns. What about mumbling? Wailing? Spoken-word?

Those aren't singing, they just add different tones to a song without having to blatantly yell like an idiot.

[xJesusFreakx]

lol no I'm not...I have a pretty deep voice, not gonna lie. I've been screaming for a year and a half.

Oh, and this is circatbs in case ya didn't know.

It all makes sense now.

[oddwithoutend]

All I'm going to say is that screaming is something that can be done well, and is a useful tool when creating music. Whether or not it's singing is an argument of semantics that doesn't really matter. I'd say if it's melodic, it's singing, and if it's not melodic, it isn't singing

Edit: But then of course, if it becomes melodic you could argue that it isn't screaming. Whatever.

[pennie]

although you might be right (about both songs), i think part of the genius in jesse's writing is his ability to extend his songs' meanings way beyond what he originally wrote the songs about. (of course it helps that we try assign higher meaning to everything the guy says)
Agreed,he may write about one thing but at the same time he could be talking about multiple situations.Jesse's a good guy

[Jumpoff]

mewithoutYou is a great example. Weiss' vocals run the gammant between screaming and spoken word. I consider that singing though.

Haha yeah alright hten I get it. i'd say Slint is another good example for talking being kind of melodic..

[DejaNew]

mewithoutYou is a great example. Weiss' vocals run the gammant between screaming and spoken word. I consider that singing though.


If it's melodic, it's singing.
So you see what I'm trying to say? If somebody sings, and it sounds harsh, or full of emotion, it shouldn't even be considered screaming, because it's not.

[irockyournipple]

All I'm going to say is that screaming is something that can be done well, and is a useful tool when creating music. Whether or not it's singing is an argument of semantics that doesn't really matter. I'd say if it's melodic, it's singing, and if it's not melodic, it isn't singing.
You are correct.

[thespearkid]

Would Oberst in Desaparacidos count? I'm trying to imagine screaming melodiously.
I've never heard that song but The Calender Hung Itself is an example. When he sings "You make me happy when skies are grey".

[irockyournipple]

Just to let you guys know, I never said screaming and singing were the same thing...i said they're done the same way.

[Ari Christos]

Why are people flipping shit over Jesse's sing/scream again? It's not like the guy is Se7en. Come on now.

It started out as Anthony Green is better than Jesse Lacey because he screams or something like that. Now we're lost in an abyss of puberty jokes.

[Jumpoff]

So you see what I'm trying to say? If somebody sings, and it sounds harsh, or full of emotion, it shouldn't even be considered screaming, because it's not.

I disagree.... you can scream with emotion, it doesn't stop it from being a scream... But it really is all pointless semantics :-d

[DejaNew]

let the grownups talk
Hahah that was funny.

[chipdip18]

Good way to look at it. I'm glad somebody finally realizes the facts that are right in front of them.

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Two-Headed Boy has melodic screaming (closer to wailing, actually). Degausser has melodic screaming. I mean, yeah, if the screams aren't part of a melody, I probably wouldn't call them singing but there are a lot of examples of "screams" that I would consider melodic.

It seems as though we're all talking about two very different things here.

We must define what screaming is. Is screaming a vocal art form, or is screaming an action? As a vocal art form, does it make it singing?. As an action, it is used in place of singing as a different means to comminicate whatever message is being commicated. Or does that mean that it simply is an art since it's being used as an art? Is it not singing since it is not constructed in the same way?

[as_we_learn]

:-d Interesting choice for a band to say that you understand music.

I can't tell if you're trolling or being serious anymore
I study actual music not nonsense such as screaming being claimed as a form of singing.
namedrop alert!

I listen to stuff way better than Cursive, jus' sayin.

Namedrop? I was merely pointing out that my music taste has changed. Nice trying to get me there. There's a ton of music that I listen that is better than Cursive. Regardless you're still an idiot for thinking that screaming is a form of singing.

[jake13]

why do you feel that way, brand new lyrics in your signature?

ha it could be that, I mean I guess you could say Im biased towards Brand New,being a pretty big fan and all, but what Im saying is that most people only seem to jump on the band to be seen cool, not because they truly like the music or lyrics. Because I know thats not the reason I started liking brnad new. Thats all

[chipdip18]

I've never heard that song but The Calender Hung Itself is an example. When he sings "You make me happy when skies are grey".


I think i got it now. Thanks.

[DejaNew]

I disagree.... you can scream with emotion, it doesn't stop it from being a scream... But it really is all pointless semantics :-d
Just go back and read the last few pages.

[Praetor]

Being a vocalist requires actual singing and screaming is not a form of singing. The two are completely different and you would know that if you knew anything about singing.
No, being a vocalist requires that you use your voice. Screaming isn't singing, but screaming is a vocal technique so if you scream, you are a vocalist. Are you for real?

And lol @ thinking that screaming doesn't take talent. You might not like it, you might not find it audibly appealing, and that's okay. I would never judge somebody for that. But to say that it doesn't take talent (and to say that there is no proper technique) is ignorant. For example, I hate Dream Theater and think that they are the shittiest of shitty songwriters. I wouldn't listen to them if I were paid. But they are a damn talented band and I will never hesitate to admit that. You are having a bit of trouble separating objective facts from your subjective feelings on the matter. I've never been a fan of circatbs/irockyournipple, I think he's one of the worst posters ever, but he's got you schooled on this one. And that says a lot.

[Jumpoff]

I study actual music not nonsense such as screaming being claimed as a form of singing.

But some of the best actual music ever made was made by people screaming and talking without any singing at all :-d

[xJesusFreakx]

mewithoutYou is a great example. Weiss' vocals run the gammant between screaming and spoken word. I consider that singing though.

Meh... I love mewithoutYou, but I'm not sure if you can consider Aaron's vocals on early mwY singing. Maybe at points...

[thespearkid]

So you see what I'm trying to say? If somebody sings, and it sounds harsh, or full of emotion, it shouldn't even be considered screaming, because it's not.
You know screaming and singing can be one in the same.

[Jumpoff]

No, being a vocalist requires that you use your voice. Screaming isn't singing, but screaming is a vocal technique so if you scream, you are a vocalist. Are you for real?

And lol @ thinking that screaming doesn't take talent. You might not like it, you might not find it audibly appealing, but to say that it doesn't take talent (and to say that there is no proper technique) is ignorant. For example, I hate Dream Theater and think that they are the shittiest of shitty songwriters. I wouldn't listen to them if I were paid. But they are a damn talented band and I will never hesitate to admit that. You are having a bit of trouble separating objective facts from your subjective feelings on the matter. I've never been a fan of circatbs/irockyournipple, I think he's one of the worst posters ever, but he's got you schooled on this one. And that says a lot.

I can agree with you man. 100%.

[irockyournipple]

I study actual music not nonsense such as screaming being claimed as a form of singing.


Namedrop? I was merely pointing out that my music taste has changed. Nice trying to get me there. There's a ton of music that I listen that is better than Cursive. Regardless you're still an idiot for thinking that screaming is a form of singing.
lol

[irockyournipple]

No, being a vocalist requires that you use your voice. Screaming isn't singing, but screaming is a vocal technique so if you scream, you are a vocalist. Are you for real?

And lol @ thinking that screaming doesn't take talent. You might not like it, you might not find it audibly appealing, and that's okay. I would never judge somebody for that. But to say that it doesn't take talent (and to say that there is no proper technique) is ignorant. For example, I hate Dream Theater and think that they are the shittiest of shitty songwriters. I wouldn't listen to them if I were paid. But they are a damn talented band and I will never hesitate to admit that. You are having a bit of trouble separating objective facts from your subjective feelings on the matter. I've never been a fan of circatbs/irockyournipple, I think he's one of the worst posters ever, but he's got you schooled on this one. And that says a lot.
Thank you man. I understand if you don't like me, I get on people's nerves a lot, sometimes on purpose, but I've always respected your posts. Just thought you should know.