Underoath Addresses Stolen Material

[Rohan Kohli]

Underoath (http://www.underoath777.com) posted the following message on their web site in regards to the songs that were stolen from the studio during the recording process of their new album, Define the Great Line:
We're stoked on the response that you guys are giving the new material but just want you to know that we are even more excited for you hear the final album - crappy Mp3's of an unfinished record aren't up to par with what we plan on delivering to you on June 20th. Here are a few things we would like you to know about the songs that were stolen from the studio before we finished recording:

*Someone without our permission or knowledge took songs we were in the middle of working on and brought it home and gave it to their friends.
*Most of the songs are titled incorrectly since the person who stole it made their own sequence based on the track listing posted on our site. So the songs are named wrong and in the wrong order.
*They are all unmixed and not yet mastered and a few songs are missing guitar overdubs.
*There are still several minutes of some songs not included.

[yutsmcgee]

they seemed to have taken it pretty well. if i were them, i would be extremely pissed.

p.s. the new stuff kicks ass

[serendipity]

damn, an inside job! i feel bad for bands these days, it seems like i can't remember the last album that wasn't leaked.

[btbam > you]

if the version i have is that unfinished, then im even more excited for june 20th than i thought

[Ryan Imhof]

damn, an inside job! i feel bad for bands these days, it seems like i can't remember the last album that wasn't leaked.
agreed.

[IcedOpethBlind]

UO will do no wrong.
cant wait.

[JohnnyG]

damn, an inside job! i feel bad for bands these days, it seems like i can't remember the last album that wasn't leaked.

Albums leak so easily today it's crazy

[jfb392]

if the version i have is that unfinished, then im even more excited for june 20th than i thoughtSame.

serendipity; Your TTTYG SOAP signature is awesome.

[MultisensoryAE]

Them being so cool about everything makes me like them even more than before

[forshadows]

this cd sucks right now. i hope it gets better.

[fromwithin]

translated in english:

"PLEASE BUY OUR ALBUM!"

"we know you already have it, but we need to sell more than we did last time so we can continue touring for 12 year old girls and 15 year old scene boys who think they know what screamo/hardcore is!"

the fact that they called something 95% done crappy is hilarious.

[LostSymphonies]

translated in english:

"PLEASE BUY OUR ALBUM!"

"we know you already have it, but we need to sell more than we did last time so we can continue touring for 12 year old girls and 15 year old scene boys who think they know what screamo/hardcore is!"

the fact that they called something 95% done crappy is hilarious.


if you're album leaked you would say the same thing, and you dont know it's 95% done, were you in the studio with them, yeah stfu..stop criticizing bands for wanting to sell albums, it is there job..goddamn

[Jason Tate]

translated in english:

"PLEASE BUY OUR ALBUM!"

"we know you already have it, but we need to sell more than we did last time so we can continue touring for 12 year old girls and 15 year old scene boys who think they know what screamo/hardcore is!"

the fact that they called something 95% done crappy is hilarious.

Do people often tell you they can see where your mother poked you with a hanger?

Just me?

Well then, sorry for breaking your bubble - but you're an idiot. Seriously ... from your description of their fan base, to your 95%, to your thought that a band shouldn't tell people the truth. All of it makes me want to scream.

[Gabe Gross]

you are an idiot if you download this

[dillinisgood]

I heard it a week ago and I like the old record better honestly. The first 6 tracks on this record went nowhere in my opinion and then it picked up in the end.

[Jason Tate]

Albums leak so easily today it's crazy
And it's going to be oh so sweet when the culprit is punished.

[Jason Tate]

I heard it a week ago and I like the old record better honestly. The first 6 tracks on this record went nowhere in my opinion and then it picked up in the end.
Here, because you didn't read it the first time:

*Someone without our permission or knowledge took songs we were in the middle of working on and brought it home and gave it to their friends.
*Most of the songs are titled incorrectly since the person who stole it made their own sequence based on the track listing posted on our site. So the songs are named wrong and in the wrong order.
*They are all unmixed and not yet mastered and a few songs are missing guitar overdubs.
*There are still several minutes of some songs not included.

Now, please read it again, K, thanks.

[Teoa_Fes]

hmm

[HiddenInNJ]

damn, an inside job! i feel bad for bands these days, it seems like i can't remember the last album that wasn't leaked.

i agree i get to hear most cds about a month in advance... but the new stuff kicks ass even if not yet mastered

[Flags of Dawn]

they seemed to have taken it pretty well. if i were them, i would be extremely pissed.

p.s. the new stuff kicks ass
its because they asked themselves..."What would jesus do?"

[GreenJellyBean]

funny..cuz i just DLed the cd. :[

[Shatter_Glass]

this cd sucks right now. i hope it gets better.

WTF are YOU listening to?! Define "sucks" please! Get up on a soap box and explain. I cannot even begin to talk about the emotion that the "crap quality" sounds that I have for pieces of songs do to me....so please....pretell

[LostSymphonies]

listening to leaks bothers me, cuz i often wonder if it's the finished produce, i bought the Atreyu cd even though i had to the leak..i dunno i just like having the cd and supporting the bands

[Shatter_Glass]

its because they asked themselves..."What would jesus do?"

HAHA, GET IT?! CUZ THEIR CHRISTIANS ?! oMg HIGH FIVE!

[Vicky82]

I friggin love Underoath. I'm so stoked for the new album

[Chemical Love]

I cant wait for the real songs.

[forshadows]

Here, because you didn't read it the first time:

*Someone without our permission or knowledge took songs we were in the middle of working on and brought it home and gave it to their friends.
*Most of the songs are titled incorrectly since the person who stole it made their own sequence based on the track listing posted on our site. So the songs are named wrong and in the wrong order.
*They are all unmixed and not yet mastered and a few songs are missing guitar overdubs.
*There are still several minutes of some songs not included.

Now, please read it again, K, thanks.
i doubt some guitar over dubs and mastering will help this cd much

[TheSaltLick]

translated in english:

"PLEASE BUY OUR ALBUM!"

"we know you already have it, but we need to sell more than we did last time so we can continue touring for 12 year old girls and 15 year old scene boys who think they know what screamo/hardcore is!"

the fact that they called something 95% done crappy is hilarious.


You're pathetic, put in your Madball album and go punch some 15 year old scene kid because your dad put out his cigarette on the back of your neck when you flinched and taking nude pictures of him for his gay website. Get a life.

[Flags of Dawn]

HAHA, GET IT?! CUZ THEIR CHRISTIANS ?! oMg HIGH FIVE!
even funnier is your 666 posts.

[Colin Farrell]

Here, because you didn't read it the first time:

*Someone without our permission or knowledge took songs we were in the middle of working on and brought it home and gave it to their friends.
*Most of the songs are titled incorrectly since the person who stole it made their own sequence based on the track listing posted on our site. So the songs are named wrong and in the wrong order.
*They are all unmixed and not yet mastered and a few songs are missing guitar overdubs.
*There are still several minutes of some songs not included.

Now, please read it again, K, thanks.

i love this guy

[FstFtsVsFences]

Yeah this stuff sounds good, but it doesn't sound complete at all so this doesn't surprise me. I'm going to delete what I've got and wait till the finished product because what I've heard sounds more than worth waiting for.

[fromwithin]

if you're album leaked you would say the same thing, and you dont know it's 95% done, were you in the studio with them, yeah stfu..stop criticizing bands for wanting to sell albums, it is there job..goddamn

ok i'm sorry all they said it needs is guitar overdubs, the "few more minutes" of music part is crap so you'll buy the album so you can "hear the complete product". its at least 80% done. no one cares about song titles or the order of the songs anyway and they know that. some kid is not going to buy an album he has on his computer just because the songs are out of order, please.

Do people often tell you they can see where your mother poked you with a hanger?

Just me?

Well then, sorry for breaking your bubble - but you're an idiot. Seriously ... from your description of their fan base, to your 95%, to your thought that a band shouldn't tell people the truth. All of it makes me want to scream.

its a marketing ploy. no one wants to become the next acceptance. i'm sorry to break it to you about their fan base tate, they gave up on their past and pressed on with the new sound that they have so they could get popular. its only a matter of time before they stop thanking God at their shows, or did they do that already.

[Jason Tate]

i doubt some guitar over dubs and mastering will help this cd much
At least you've waited to hear it before judging it ... do you take random pages out of a 4th draft of a book, mix them up, read them, and then talk about how badly the book sucks? I sure hope not.

[forshadows]

At least you've waited to hear it before judging it ... do you take random pages out of a 4th draft of a book, mix them up, read them, and then talk about how badly the book sucks? I sure hope not.
yes.

but seriously, i could see it making a big difference if there was more than just guitar over dubs missing, but there's not.

[Skatetopunk]

Here, because you didn't read it the first time:

*Someone without our permission or knowledge took songs we were in the middle of working on and brought it home and gave it to their friends.
*Most of the songs are titled incorrectly since the person who stole it made their own sequence based on the track listing posted on our site. So the songs are named wrong and in the wrong order.
*They are all unmixed and not yet mastered and a few songs are missing guitar overdubs.
*There are still several minutes of some songs not included.

Now, please read it again, K, thanks.
tate you should just ban these stupid people... it dosnt matter what you tell them...

[Jason Tate]

ok i'm sorry all they said it needs is guitar overdubs, the "few more minutes" of music part is crap so you'll buy the album so you can "hear the complete product". its at least 80% done. no one cares about song titles or the order of the songs anyway and they know that. some kid is not going to buy an album he has on his computer just because the songs are out of order, please.

Really? You know this right? I wonder who would possibly have a better understanding on what's not on the "leak" - you, or me. Let me remind you that I talk to their manager on a pretty consistant basis (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=2939021#post293902 1), let me remind you that you do not. I'm not bragging in the slightest, I'm telling you that out of anyone on this forum (minus the band's manager himself), I probably have the best understanding of what's on/not on the CD. And you most certainly do not. If you don't care about the order of songs on a CD, then you don't care about music. Seriously. That's pathetic. If you can't comprehend what mixing and mastering a CD does, as well as adding MINUTES to songs (the last track on the 'leak' is only a minute long ... the final, is not) - then I think you really are beyond help. Get out of this thread, and do something else, seriously, you're driving me absolutely crazy. You're like the child that finally pissess off the parent so much that they shake you and scream, "hey dumbfuck, I know what I'm talking about."

its a marketing ploy. no one wants to become the next acceptance. i'm sorry to break it to you about their fan base tate, they gave up on their past and pressed on with the new sound that they have so they could get popular. its only a matter of time before they stop thanking God at their shows, or did they do that already.

Get popular? They've sold 250K of their last album, NOT to 12 year olds. Seeing as I have attended 4 UO shows, I think I can safely say what their show fan base is ... second, if you for a SECOND think the new CD would appeal to 12 year olds, then you scare me. As for the "stop thanking God" snide comment (which is not true), it only proves you have a very personal reason for hating this band .. come on, just admit to it. You bother me.

[Jason Tate]

yes.

but seriously, i could see it making a big difference if there was more than just guitar over dubs missing, but there's not.
Do you even understand music? Do you know what mixing/mastering does? Do you know what adding MINUTES to songs does? Seriously ... are you stupid, or just picking fights? I need to know.

[Shatter_Glass]

even funnier is your 666 posts.

Good Eye Sniper! What a great day for music as well..... :devil: :dvlexpld: :devil:

[Hidenothing27]

The amount of people viewing this thread is huge.. the cd has alot of potential i cannot wait to hear the mixed/mastered copy..unfortunately i'm sure this will effect their first weeks sales. atleast it wasnt as bad as acceptance's leak. If that cd did not leak so early ni truly believe acceptance be right up their with fallout boy. Phantoms was a great CD

[IcedOpethBlind]

Really? You know this right? I wonder who would possibly have a better understanding on what's not on the "leak" - you, or me. Let me remind you that I talk to their manager on a pretty consistant basis, let me remind you that you do not. I'm not bragging in the slightest, I'm telling you that out of anyone on this forum (minus the band's manager himself), I probably have the best understanding of what's on/not on the CD. And you most certainly do not. If you don't care about the order of songs on a CD, then you don't care about music. Seriously. That's pathetic. If you can't comprehend what mixing and mastering a CD does, as well as adding MINUTES to songs (the last track on the 'leak' is only a minute long ... the final, is not) - then I think you really are beyond help. Get out of this thread, and do something else, seriously, you're driving me absolutely crazy. You're like the child that finally pissess off the parent so much that they shake you and scream, "hey dumbfuck, I know what I'm talking about."



Get popular? They've sold 250K of their last album, NOT to 12 year olds. Seeing as I have attended 4 UO shows, I think I can safely say what their show fan base is ... second, if you for a SECOND think the new CD would appeal to 12 year olds, then you scare me. As for the "stop thanking God" snide comment (which is not true), it only proves you have a very personal reason for hating this band .. come on, just admit to it. You bother me.

you kick ass tate.
basically everything that these idiots needed to be told.
and honestly, if you've heard these demos, and you think this stuff is appealing to 12-year olds,
you're pretty stupid. no way around it.

[IcedOpethBlind]

The amount of people viewing this thread is huge.. the cd has alot of potential i cannot wait to hear the mixed/mastered copy..unfortunately i'm sure this will effect their first weeks sales. atleast it wasnt as bad as acceptance's leak. If that cd did not leak so early ni truly believe acceptance be right up their with fallout boy. Phantoms was a great CD

the acceptance leak was complete.
this is not.
BIIIIIIG difference, dude.

[GlassyLight]

ok i'm sorry all they said it needs is guitar overdubs, the "few more minutes" of music part is crap so you'll buy the album so you can "hear the complete product". its at least 80% done. no one cares about song titles or the order of the songs anyway and they know that. some kid is not going to buy an album he has on his computer just because the songs are out of order, please.



You stupid asshole. Put in Dark Side of the Moon or Tommy and play on repeat. You try telling me that order doesn't make a difference. If you can, you're a bigger ass than any of us thinks. If you don't like underoath, then don't like them. Don't bash them. I think they're terrible, but I don't feel the need to make asinine remarks about them.

Thus is the curse of the fucking iTunes generation.

[forshadows]

Do you even understand music? Do you know what mixing/mastering does? Do you know what adding MINUTES to songs does? Seriously ... are you stupid, or just picking fights? I need to know.
yes i know what it does, and hopefully you're right about it sounding much different but i just have a feeling it won't. it isn't the mixing and mastering that im concerned about, i just don't like the actual bases of the songs so far at all. i dont think a band with decent songs has to go and add all kinds of extra stuff for the songs to be that great. for example, with the demos from their last cd, i thought those were way better than the finished product and i think that about many demos from different bands actually. and about the minutes off of the songs, if a band cant get it good in the first 2 1/2 minutes, it probably wont get much better after that.

[IcedOpethBlind]

You stupid asshole. Put in Dark Side of the Moon or Tommy and play on repeat. You try telling me that order doesn't make a difference. If you can, you're a bigger ass than any of us thinks. If you don't like underoath, then don't like them. Don't bash them. I think they're terrible, but I don't feel the need to make asinine remarks about them.

Thus is the curse of the fucking iTunes generation.

Great examples.
And it does suck that people don't appreciate or understand that the flow an album is put in really does make a difference. DSOTM isn't classic if the shit's jumbled.

[Hidenothing27]

the acceptance leak was complete.
this is not.
BIIIIIIG difference, dude.

i mean as sales man.. sales it killed acceptance... and unmastered version of phantoms was not the same as retail.. different mixes and did u hear the beginning of different on the retail one? guess not..

[bnizzle182]

Amen Tate, amen.

[12:46AM]

you are an idiot if you download this oh wow. really? let me get this straight. i was curious as to how underoath was progressing with their sound and i got my friend to send me the leak, and i haven't sent it to anyone else, and i'm not sharing it on any p2p programs, and i listened to it twice and decided that buying the cd on june 20th was worth my money. this makes me an idiot? so be it i guess, since the almighty gabe gross is the only one fit to judge who is smart and who is not.

[fromwithin]

Really? You know this right? I wonder who would possibly have a better understanding on what's not on the "leak" - you, or me. Let me remind you that I talk to their manager on a pretty consistant basis, let me remind you that you do not. I'm not bragging in the slightest, I'm telling you that out of anyone on this forum (minus the band's manager himself), I probably have the best understanding of what's on/not on the CD. And you most certainly do not. If you don't care about the order of songs on a CD, then you don't care about music. Seriously. That's pathetic. If you can't comprehend what mixing and mastering a CD does, as well as adding MINUTES to songs (the last track on the 'leak' is only a minute long ... the final, is not) - then I think you really are beyond help. Get out of this thread, and do something else, seriously, you're driving me absolutely crazy. You're like the child that finally pissess off the parent so much that they shake you and scream, "hey dumbfuck, I know what I'm talking about."



Get popular? They've sold 250K of their last album, NOT to 12 year olds. Seeing as I have attended 4 UO shows, I think I can safely say what their show fan base is ... second, if you for a SECOND think the new CD would appeal to 12 year olds, then you scare me. As for the "stop thanking God" snide comment (which is not true), it only proves you have a very personal reason for hating this band .. come on, just admit to it. You bother me.

I have seen underoath at least 6 times over the course of 4 years, and every single time their fans have gotten younger, with more girls, and judging by the dress of alot of the kids I saw they werent scene or hxc moshpit kids like their typical fan base would suggest. I think I know what I'm talking about in that aspect, Dallas was still in the band the first time I saw them and they were OPENING for other hardcore bands. As far as the album completion you have me on that one, I'm not trying to get around it. I'm just saying adding a few minutes to the last track or more minutes to another track isnt going to make this album go down as one of the greatest ever made. I'm sorry I dont care about the order of songs on a cd, I dont care what the tracks are titled, and I dont care what number they are on the cd. I care about the music, and only the music. I dont give a shit if it has a booklet, a shirt, fancy art, or if the songs are in order. And from what I've heard, it sounds like a run-on of They're Only Chasing Safety (minus two tracks). Also, if they werent trying to appeal to a fanbase tell me, wouldnt they play (or learn rather) more songs off of The Changing of Times? No theyre not because they only have half the original members, and the other half dont know how to play it. They want nothing to do with their past because their future is a mainstream, more widely accepted sound.

[Take Heart]

While the band may have taken it well, a Tooth & Nail employee was fired, and is being prosecuted / sued by the label. I also don't really believe that all the songs are unmixed, they sound produced, but you can tell that (at the very least) the last song cuts off. I was expecting them to put out a release similar to this, or hurry up and record a few more songs to give people (more) reason to buy it

[IcedOpethBlind]

i mean as sales man.. sales it killed acceptance... and unmastered version of phantoms was not the same as retail.. different mixes and did u hear the beginning of different on the retail one? guess not..

yeah.
i actually remember that now.
good call.

[IcedOpethBlind]

I have seen underoath at least 6 times over the course of 4 years, and every single time their fans have gotten younger, with more girls, and judging by the dress of alot of the kids I saw they werent scene or hxc moshpit kids like their typical fan base would suggest. I think I know what I'm talking about in that aspect, Dallas was still in the band the first time I saw them and they were OPENING for other hardcore bands. As far as the album completion you have me on that one, I'm not trying to get around it. I'm just saying adding a few minutes to the last track or more minutes to another track isnt going to make this album go down as one of the greatest ever made. I'm sorry I dont care about the order of songs on a cd, I dont care what the tracks are titled, and I dont care what number they are on the cd. I care about the music, and only the music. I dont give a shit if it has a booklet, a shirt, fancy art, or if the songs are in order. And from what I've heard, it sounds like a run-on of They're Only Chasing Safety (minus two tracks). Also, if they werent trying to appeal to a fanbase tell me, wouldnt they play (or learn rather) more songs off of The Changing of Times? No theyre not because they only have half the original members, and the other half dont know how to play it. They want nothing to do with their past because their future is a mainstream, more widely accepted sound.

you shouldn't finalize your judgement of their art when it isn't even fucking complete. those missing minutes could be what totally puts the record over the top. who are you to say it wont?

[Hidenothing27]

I have seen underoath at least 6 times over the course of 4 years, and every single time their fans have gotten younger, with more girls, and judging by the dress of alot of the kids I saw they werent scene or hxc moshpit kids like their typical fan base would suggest. I think I know what I'm talking about in that aspect, Dallas was still in the band the first time I saw them and they were OPENING for other hardcore bands. As far as the album completion you have me on that one, I'm not trying to get around it. I'm just saying adding a few minutes to the last track or more minutes to another track isnt going to make this album go down as one of the greatest ever made. I'm sorry I dont care about the order of songs on a cd, I dont care what the tracks are titled, and I dont care what number they are on the cd. I care about the music, and only the music. I dont give a shit if it has a booklet, a shirt, fancy art, or if the songs are in order. And from what I've heard, it sounds like a run-on of They're Only Chasing Safety (minus two tracks). Also, if they werent trying to appeal to a fanbase tell me, wouldnt they play (or learn rather) more songs off of The Changing of Times? No theyre not because they only have half the original members, and the other half dont know how to play it. They want nothing to do with their past because their future is a mainstream, more widely accepted sound.
I would really love to give you a mushroom tattoo on the face... your comments are sooo ridiculous.. like they sit down and say lets write this song so these people will like it.. and the band has no control of who likes their stuff or not. Fans are fans they dont have to be straight edge, tight pants wearing kids or not.. its people who like the music...

[Jason Tate]

While the band may have taken it well, a Tooth & Nail employee was fired, and is being prosecuted / sued by the label. I also don't really believe that all the songs are unmixed, they sound produced, but you can tell that (at the very least) the last song cuts off. I was expecting them to put out a release similar to this, or hurry up and record a few more songs to give people (more) reason to buy it
I find it humorous (or disturbing) that so many people (ok, 3 or 4) have made posts basically accusing the band of lying. What the hell? People don't have the gall to question their own government these days, but call bands out on stuff they have no reason to lie about? I'm at a loss.

[fromwithin]

I would really love to give you a mushroom tattoo on the face... your comments are sooo ridiculous.. like they sit down and say lets write this song so these people will like it.. and the band has no control of who likes their stuff or not. Fans are fans they dont have to be straight edge, tight pants wearing kids or not.. its people who like the music...

the fact that they dont play songs before chasing safety is the perfect example of what i'm saying.

you want further proof?

I saw them in the middle of warped tour on an off date two years ago after chasing safety came out, and SURPRISE they played old stuff. they eventually weened this out though because they realized how popular they were getting with their "new" sound. That fall I saw them again headline, and everything they played was off chasing safety.

[Jason Tate]

I have seen underoath at least 6 times over the course of 4 years, and every single time their fans have gotten younger, with more girls, and judging by the dress of alot of the kids I saw they werent scene or hxc moshpit kids like their typical fan base would suggest. I think I know what I'm talking about in that aspect, Dallas was still in the band the first time I saw them and they were OPENING for other hardcore bands. As far as the album completion you have me on that one, I'm not trying to get around it. I'm just saying adding a few minutes to the last track or more minutes to another track isnt going to make this album go down as one of the greatest ever made. I'm sorry I dont care about the order of songs on a cd, I dont care what the tracks are titled, and I dont care what number they are on the cd. I care about the music, and only the music. I dont give a shit if it has a booklet, a shirt, fancy art, or if the songs are in order. And from what I've heard, it sounds like a run-on of They're Only Chasing Safety (minus two tracks). Also, if they werent trying to appeal to a fanbase tell me, wouldnt they play (or learn rather) more songs off of The Changing of Times? No theyre not because they only have half the original members, and the other half dont know how to play it. They want nothing to do with their past because their future is a mainstream, more widely accepted sound.
And as I said like 4 posts before, if you care only about the music - maybe you should wait and judge the music ... I don't read books out of order, I don't look at paintings before their finished, and I don't judge music before it's how the artist wants it to be heard/experienced.

At least you finally admitted to your little grudge with the band .. go listen to Maylenne or something, and leave us "new school" Underoath fans alone.

[RedWineSheets]

I love listening to underoaths music, but I will never go to another underoath show. The majority of the people there were the typical kid with jet black hair, wearing the black underoath shirt with the pink skull, taking a picture of themselves in the mirror of a bathroom.

[Jason Tate]

the fact that they dont play songs before chasing safety is the perfect example of what i'm saying.

you want further proof?

I saw them in the middle of warped tour on an off date two years ago after chasing safety came out, and SURPRISE they played old stuff. they eventually weened this out though because they realized how popular they were getting with their "new" sound. That fall I saw them again headline, and everything they played was off chasing safety.
I saw Pennywise a few weeks ago, they didn't play much old stuff - are they horribly sell outs too? Cause they're playing their "getting popular" sound ... you must not go see very many bands with large back catalogs or when they're touring to support THEIR NEW ALBUM .. turns out, that's why they play it.

[Darren McLeod]

oh wow. really? let me get this straight. i was curious as to how underoath was progressing with their sound and i got my friend to send me the leak, and i haven't sent it to anyone else, and i'm not sharing it on any p2p programs, and i listened to it twice and decided that buying the cd on june 20th was worth my money. this makes me an idiot? so be it i guess, since the almighty gabe gross is the only one fit to judge who is smart and who is not.
the "almighty gabe gross" was quoting someone.

[Jason Tate]

Hey jason take the dick out of your ass. All I said was I didnt like the disc and Ive heard the whole thing that Chris sent my brother personally so i didnt hear some knocked off version. I did hear the complete album but it wasnt mastered.
Just a warning you probably got Chris in a whole lot of trouble if that's true ... because their manager and label read these threads.

[Rohan Kohli]

the fact that they dont play songs before chasing safety is the perfect example of what i'm saying.

you want further proof?

I saw them in the middle of warped tour on an off date two years ago after chasing safety came out, and SURPRISE they played old stuff. they eventually weened this out though because they realized how popular they were getting with their "new" sound. That fall I saw them again headline, and everything they played was off chasing safety.

Maybe because they don't like those songs anymore? Not everything is done for the sake of popularity--this new record, for example, is heavier than They're Only Chasing Safety. Don't you think they would've made it poppier if popularity is all they cared about?

[fromwithin]

And as I said like 4 posts before, if you care only about the music - maybe you should wait and judge the music ... I don't read books out of order, I don't look at paintings before their finished, and I don't judge music before it's how the artist wants it to be heard/experienced.

At least you finally admitted to your little grudge with the band .. go listen to Maylenne or something, and leave us "new school" Underoath fans alone.

limiting yourself to a sound just to get popular is pathetic in my opinion. they shouldnt care about what they sound like, but they do.

[dafockup]

There is no cure for Demoitous which is sad cuz a lot of people need to get that disease treated

[dillinisgood]

And before I get banned because Im sure I will. I just want you to know I love Underoath. So Im not trying to take a hit at them or anyone.

[Hidenothing27]

the fact that they dont play songs before chasing safety is the perfect example of what i'm saying.

you want further proof?

I saw them in the middle of warped tour on an off date two years ago after chasing safety came out, and SURPRISE they played old stuff. they eventually weened this out though because they realized how popular they were getting with their "new" sound. That fall I saw them again headline, and everything they played was off chasing safety.


maybe the dont play old stuff because umm lets see completely different singer.. and he didnt learn the old songs.. just an idea

[RedWineSheets]

the fact that they dont play songs before chasing safety is the perfect example of what i'm saying.

you want further proof?

I saw them in the middle of warped tour on an off date two years ago after chasing safety came out, and SURPRISE they played old stuff. they eventually weened this out though because they realized how popular they were getting with their "new" sound. That fall I saw them again headline, and everything they played was off chasing safety.
If they dont play "when the sun sleeps" anymore then that is just sad.

[Darren McLeod]

the fact that they dont play songs before chasing safety is the perfect example of what i'm saying.

you want further proof?

I saw them in the middle of warped tour on an off date two years ago after chasing safety came out, and SURPRISE they played old stuff. they eventually weened this out though because they realized how popular they were getting with their "new" sound. That fall I saw them again headline, and everything they played was off chasing safety.
bands usually balance their sets by playing the songs that they want to play (usually new ones that they haven't worn out from years on the road), and the songs that the majority of the audience wants to hear.

[fromwithin]

maybe the dont play old stuff because umm lets see completely different singer.. and he didnt learn the old songs.. just an idea

hey dumbass if you read my post youll see that I saw them after chasing safety came out and they played old stuff, so they had spencer.

/captain obvious

[Jason Tate]

limiting yourself to a sound just to get popular is pathetic in my opinion. they shouldnt care about what they sound like, but they do.

Isn't that the exact opposite of what a band should do? Might just be me, but I want the bands I listen to to care about what they sound like ...

[forshadows]

I saw Pennywise a few weeks ago, they didn't play much old stuff - are they horribly sell outs too? Cause they're playing their "getting popular" sound ... you must not go see very many bands with large back catalogs or when they're touring to support THEIR NEW ALBUM .. turns out, that's why they play it.
i agree with this, and a lot of times bands dont play old songs because they got tired of them. if bands play songs they're sick of, they'll eventually just get sick of playing in general. i read in some interview with nick that northstar got sick of their songs and look at what happened(im not saying that's the only reason they broke up)

[Jason Tate]

Maybe because they don't like those songs anymore? Not everything is done for the sake of popularity--this new record, for example, is heavier than They're Only Chasing Safety. Don't you think they would've made it poppier if popularity is all they cared about?
Yah, that makes me think the guy's just looney.

[LostSymphonies]

Really? You know this right? I wonder who would possibly have a better understanding on what's not on the "leak" - you, or me. Let me remind you that I talk to their manager on a pretty consistant basis (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=2939021#post293902 1), let me remind you that you do not. I'm not bragging in the slightest, I'm telling you that out of anyone on this forum (minus the band's manager himself), I probably have the best understanding of what's on/not on the CD. And you most certainly do not. If you don't care about the order of songs on a CD, then you don't care about music. Seriously. That's pathetic. If you can't comprehend what mixing and mastering a CD does, as well as adding MINUTES to songs (the last track on the 'leak' is only a minute long ... the final, is not) - then I think you really are beyond help. Get out of this thread, and do something else, seriously, you're driving me absolutely crazy. You're like the child that finally pissess off the parent so much that they shake you and scream, "hey dumbfuck, I know what I'm talking about."



Get popular? They've sold 250K of their last album, NOT to 12 year olds. Seeing as I have attended 4 UO shows, I think I can safely say what their show fan base is ... second, if you for a SECOND think the new CD would appeal to 12 year olds, then you scare me. As for the "stop thanking God" snide comment (which is not true), it only proves you have a very personal reason for hating this band .. come on, just admit to it. You bother me.

you took eveything i was thinking and put it very eloquently, thank you

[dillinisgood]

I cant believe how hyped up people are getting about this its retarded. Some people are taking this so personal. I love their music as im sure most all of you do but there is no reason to be a complete asshole to people because they dont agree with you on a certain subject. I love how some people on this site hate republicans but get shitty on people for expressing a different opinion. Im not a republican.

[Broken4EverMore]

I have seen underoath at least 6 times over the course of 4 years, and every single time their fans have gotten younger, with more girls, and judging by the dress of alot of the kids I saw they werent scene or hxc moshpit kids like their typical fan base would suggest. I think I know what I'm talking about in that aspect, Dallas was still in the band the first time I saw them and they were OPENING for other hardcore bands. As far as the album completion you have me on that one, I'm not trying to get around it. I'm just saying adding a few minutes to the last track or more minutes to another track isnt going to make this album go down as one of the greatest ever made. I'm sorry I dont care about the order of songs on a cd, I dont care what the tracks are titled, and I dont care what number they are on the cd. I care about the music, and only the music. I dont give a shit if it has a booklet, a shirt, fancy art, or if the songs are in order. And from what I've heard, it sounds like a run-on of They're Only Chasing Safety (minus two tracks). Also, if they werent trying to appeal to a fanbase tell me, wouldnt they play (or learn rather) more songs off of The Changing of Times? No theyre not because they only have half the original members, and the other half dont know how to play it. They want nothing to do with their past because their future is a mainstream, more widely accepted sound.
If you only care about the MUSIC and ONLY THE MUSIC then who cares what their fanbase is?!

[Jason Tate]

I cant believe how hyped up people are getting about this its retarded. Some people are taking this so personal. I love their music as im sure most all of you do but there is no reason to be a complete asshole to people because they dont agree with you on a certain subject. I love how some people on this site hate republicans but get shitty on people for expressing a different opinion. Im not a republican.
And some of us just hate mal-informed opinions. Such as those being made based on material that is not near what the finished product is meant to be.

[Rohan Kohli]

I cant believe how hyped up people are getting about this its retarded. Some people are taking this so personal. I love their music as im sure most all of you do but there is no reason to be a complete asshole to people because they dont agree with you on a certain subject. I love how some people on this site hate republicans but get shitty on people for expressing a different opinion. Im not a republican.

It's annoying when people base their opinions on music in its unfinished form.

[dillinisgood]

I think I can safely say that either way you look at this it looks like this album is a lot heavier regardless of mixing, mastering, vocals or what have you. I think I would honestly tell someone if they asked me that this album isnt going to really hit them the same as Theyre Only Chasing Safety. Its not the same style for the most part in my opinion. Thats all I was trying to get across. Jason would you not agree with that?

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

so are the unfinished songs the ones that are up for sale as ringbacks on verizons website?

[matt_rawlings]

This record is sick, simple as and it is getting bought regardless of how much they change and add to the leaked version I have.

Supporting bands is the only way to ensure we get albums of this standard in the first place

[fromwithin]

so if I say that most of it is still a run-on of chasing safety minus a few tracks when I hear the COMPLETE product, then you wont be bashing me to hell and back?

[KarolaBloch]

awesome guys. handling it like professionals.

i can't wait to hear the finished product. its going to be really good

[Jason Tate]

so if I say that most of it is still a run-on of chasing safety minus a few tracks when I hear the COMPLETE product, then you wont be bashing me to hell and back?
Except that you'd be saying the exact opposite of this guy (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showpost.php?p=2960458&postcount=76), sure go for it.

And I don't think it's a run-on of TOCS at all, the album feels much heavier, and much harder.

[theguilt engine]

this shit happens and they know it. i don't think they're too worried about their album sales...let's just put it that way.

[aZn_BallA1024]

i listened to it, i disliked it though, but thats mainly because i'm not a big fan of the whole screamo genre now. i thought that album sounded like a bunch of interludes by tsoaf with a lot of screaming. i must admit though his screaming got better, i enjoyed how he can go really low to really high.

[shes.a.ghost]

"for example, with the demos from their last cd, i thought those were way better than the finished product and i think that about many demos from different bands actually."

that statement alone makes me think you have no idea what you are talking about. the only reason you like demos more than the finished product is because you hear the demos first, and you dont like hearing things change after you are used to how it sounds as a demo. and that basis is rediculous. AND if anything, I think this CD will make them lose alot of thier young fans, and gain back some of thier old fans. I think this CD is great, and I'm very excited to hear the finished product... even tho i'm already used to the demos....

[forshadows]

"for example, with the demos from their last cd, i thought those were way better than the finished product and i think that about many demos from different bands actually."

that statement alone makes me think you have no idea what you are talking about. the only reason you like demos more than the finished product is because you hear the demos first, and you dont like hearing things change after you are used to how it sounds as a demo. and that basis is rediculous. AND if anything, I think this CD will make them lose alot of thier young fans, and gain back some of thier old fans. I think this CD is great, and I'm very excited to hear the finished product... even tho i'm already used to the demos....
what? i heard the demos AFTER the finished product....so i obviously do like change.

[yutsmcgee]

I really hope this album sells like crazy, because i would hate to see this leak hurt the band's success. There's not a better bunch of guys in a band out there, and I have the utmost respect for them in light of how they're handling this.

[farvaxrepublica]

translated in english:

"PLEASE BUY OUR ALBUM!"

"we know you already have it, but we need to sell more than we did last time so we can continue touring for 12 year old girls and 15 year old scene boys who think they know what screamo/hardcore is!"

the fact that they called something 95% done crappy is hilarious.

I think you have it all worng... if you know anything about underoath they are in the music buisness to do what they love and to spread the message of Jesus Christ. Also if they said "We know whats out there is amazing" they would sound kinda cocky. Stop being a dick and pull your head out of your ass.

[Ruggiero2oo8]

if the version i have is that unfinished, then im even more excited for june 20th than i thought


agreed.

[ArmaniMassacre]

umm...i don't really know what everyone else is complaining about, but I heard two songs live. not the demos, unmixed whatevers, or whodoesits...i was completely blown away. they're only chasing safety was written and recorded in like what, less than a year? this album they've had time to write, and you know what, minus the fact that's it's Spencer rather than Dallas, it's pretty much picking up where Changing of Times left off...it's heavier and to tell ya the truth, it's probably gonna upset a lot of those more, dread i say it, "scene" kids into disliking them. this is definitely gonna be make or break for these kids, but i'm sure they'll do well. they deserve it....and lay off the Christian cracks, idiots. I'm agnostic myself, but I can tell you right now, not every Christian on earth is a bible toting, goodie goodie. open your minds, it's quite interesting what misconceptions you have of people can be quickly washed away....

[TSLManager]

I wish I had the time and patience to comment on the many stupid comments in here but this one I have to tackle. Why would a Tooth & Nail employee be fired over something happeing at a studio a few thousand miles away. No one from Tooth & Nail was ever in the studio while this album was made and they didnt have copies of it either so what were they fired/ sued for?

You don't belive that the songs werent mixed? Perhaps June 20th will show you that you are wrong but I have a feeling you will still keep with your story that it wasnt mixed. How about this for facts, these tracks were stolen from a place that never had the mixed versions! It was mixed 2000 miles away!

Of course the songs sound produced, they were recorded/produced by a producer in a studio, thats what recording a record is all about! After the recording is done a mixer is hired and mixes the album after that it goes to a mastering lab and its masterd.

My favorite thing about the comments here are that some people think the record is more pop and some think it's heavier, I don't get how people can have such diffrent opions on the same songs.





While the band may have taken it well, a Tooth & Nail employee was fired, and is being prosecuted / sued by the label. I also don't really believe that all the songs are unmixed, they sound produced, but you can tell that (at the very least) the last song cuts off. I was expecting them to put out a release similar to this, or hurry up and record a few more songs to give people (more) reason to buy it

[Rohan Kohli]

I wish I had the time and patience to comment on the many stupid comments in here but this one I have to tackle. Why would a Tooth & Nail employee be fired over something happeing at a studio a few thousand miles away. No one from Tooth & Nail was ever in the studio while this album was made and they didnt have copies of it either so what were they fired/ sued for?

You don't belive that the songs werent mixed? Perhaps June 20th will show you that you are wrong but I have a feeling you will still keep with your story that it wasnt mixed. How about this for facts, these tracks were stolen from a place that never had the mixed versions! It was mixed 2000 miles away!

Of course the songs sound produced, they were recorded/produced by a producer in a studio, thats what recording a record is all about! After the recording is done a mixer is hired and mixes the album after that it goes to a mastering lab and its masterd.

My favorite thing about the comments here are that some people think the record is more pop and some think it's heavier, I don't get how people can have such diffrent opions on the same songs.

As if you know anything ;)

[histrionics22]

My favorite thing about the comments here are that some people think the record is more pop and some think it's heavier, I don't get how people can have such diffrent opions on the same songs.

Because "hardcore" fans like fromwithin are too old school and tough to accept a change. They still compare everything to when Dallas was in the band, which is ridiculous since they've changed. If they wanted to make a poppy mainstream record, they could. But they obviously didnt.

[farvaxrepublica]

umm...i don't really know what everyone else is complaining about, but I heard two songs live. not the demos, unmixed whatevers, or whodoesits...i was completely blown away. they're only chasing safety was written and recorded in like what, less than a year? this album they've had time to write, and you know what, minus the fact that's it's Spencer rather than Dallas, it's pretty much picking up where Changing of Times left off...it's heavier and to tell ya the truth, it's probably gonna upset a lot of those more, dread i say it, "scene" kids into disliking them. this is definitely gonna be make or break for these kids, but i'm sure they'll do well. they deserve it....and lay off the Christian cracks, idiots. I'm agnostic myself, but I can tell you right now, not every Christian on earth is a bible toting, goodie goodie. open your minds, it's quite interesting what misconceptions you have of people can be quickly washed away....
Well said...

[raycer]

wow. the demos i have dont have that much singing.. id venture to say it doesnt even have half of the amount of singing from TOCS. but im just making an educated guess seeing as i havent heard it too much. so i dont get the comparison to TOCS....are we hearing the same thing?

as said before, the reason why they weened off playing 'the changing of times' and earlier works is because 1. they're supporting their new album, and 2. dont you think after 3/4 years, they'd be tired of playing those songs? think of it this way. this band was on tour like 250+ days of the year (guestimate). times that by 3, and they've played those songs 750 times, not counting how many times they played it in practice before they recorded, how many times they listened to the finished product in the studio, etc etc.

[fromwithin]

Because "hardcore" fans like fromwithin are too old school and tough to accept a change. They still compare everything to when Dallas was in the band, which is ridiculous since they've changed. If they wanted to make a poppy mainstream record, they could. But they obviously didnt.

I'll make it easy for you. Chasing Safety has no lasting power whatsoever.

[ArmaniMassacre]

Well said...

thank you...farva as in...

farva's number one!!! farva's number one!!!!

????

[Rohan Kohli]

I'll make it easy for you. Chasing Safety has no lasting power whatsoever.

That's funny. I still listen to it 2-3 times a week.

[yutsmcgee]

That's funny. I still listen to it 2-3 times a week.

ditto

[fromwithin]

That's funny. I still listen to it 2-3 times a week.

I'm sure you do the same with Deja Entendu as well.

[histrionics22]

I'll make it easy for you. Chasing Safety has no lasting power whatsoever.

Hey fromwithin, I think you belong here.

www.punknews.org (http://www.punknews.org)

[fromwithin]

Hey fromwithin, I think you belong here.

www.punknews.org (http://www.punknews.org)

I know, I know.

I'm not totally head over heels for Underoath, Gatsby's, Thrice, Spill Canvas, or Brand New so I obviously have no taste in music right?

[GroveStChris]

so i'll say it. i downloaded this album. and i fully thought it was the full album. and i was fucking stoked on it.
it's very different from their only chasing safety. it's more musical in a sense. and i think everything just sounds a little better.
i don't know if i can honestly say that i'll buy the album though... i never buy albums.

go ahead and flame me.
but i'd honestly rather go to the show and either buy the album there or buy a shirt or something.
i don't really care about the album art, or any of that.

[Jason Tate]

I'm sure you do the same with Deja Entendu as well.
Well, at least you came out firiing with intellgent arguments this time.

:rolleyes:

[N8IVIin0rity]

i doubt some guitar over dubs and mastering will help this cd much
kill yourself.

[Jason Tate]

so i'll say it. i downloaded this album. and i fully thought it was the full album. and i was fucking stoked on it.
it's very different from their only chasing safety. it's more musical in a sense. and i think everything just sounds a little better.
i don't know if i can honestly say that i'll buy the album though... i never buy albums.

go ahead and flame me.
but i'd honestly rather go to the show and either buy the album there or buy a shirt or something.
i don't really care about the album art, or any of that.
Bands have shirts, and can tour, because of album sales. That's a stripped down formula, but it's basically true.

[TSLManager]

Nice try, but I can promise all of you Chris hasnt given the record to anyone. No one in the band gave out the record and they still havent (their rules not management or the label). I know they played it for freinds but have been real careful not to let anyone have a copy thats why they were so shocked it ended up online and we were able to figure out who stole it.


Just a warning you probably got Chris in a whole lot of trouble if that's true ... because their manager and label read these threads.

[seans seatbelt]

Minus 30 scene points to Tate for saying "k, thanks".
Add 10 though, for not adding bye to the end of it.

[Jason Tate]

I know, I know.

I'm not totally head over heels for Underoath, Gatsby's, Thrice, Spill Canvas, or Brand New so I obviously have no taste in music right?
But are for Mae? :P

[TomAce]

the acceptance leak was complete.
this is not.
BIIIIIIG difference, dude.

There was alot differant between the leak of phantoms and the actual version. Alot of the songs on the leak had differant vocal recordings than the finished product, alot of them were missing guitar tracks, and like 2-3 songs were missing.

But back to underoath...i saw them with that new guy (havent cought his name), and its just not the same without Dallas. I couldnt care less who listenes to them. I thought the last cd was alright, not my favorite, thought it was way over rated, but differant people like differant things so whatever. From what ive heard of this new stuff, it kinda sounds like a poppier version of the bled, which im not crazy about...but dont mark that as a quote cuz ive only listened to like 1/2 of each of like 5 songs, not to mention all this mixing and mastering weve been hearing so much about.

[dukeboy1986]

I thought this website was a good idea in the beginning but now I'm not so sure. Meh.

[histrionics22]

I know, I know.

I'm not totally head over heels for Underoath, Gatsby's, Thrice, Spill Canvas, or Brand New so I obviously have no taste in music right?

No its because you belong with the mass of hypocrites who complain about fanbase while saying it should be about the music. People who rip on albums because they are popular. The people who rip apart kids for calling something screamo, then namedrop 5 old bands because it validates you as better.

[fromwithin]

Well, at least you came out firiing with intellgent arguments this time.

:rolleyes:


I'm sorry, I was supposed to say

"You're right, that album has max playability even after more than a year. Nevermind that it runs together and gets old real quick, I still love the cliche lyrics and awesome screams! I feel the same about Vheissu, Deja Entendu, Volcano, Voices and all the other INSTANT CLASSICS! Forgive me everyone I'll put my foot in my own ass because these albums are definitely some of the GREATEST EVER MADE and I'll listen to them and not expand my music taste outside the mainstream scene. God forbid I could find even better music out there, I'll just stick to the same bands and watch them release awesome records, no matter how bad they get!"

[Jason Tate]

I thought this website was a good idea in the beginning but now I'm not so sure. Meh.
:'(

[just_farrah]

translated in english:

"PLEASE BUY OUR ALBUM!"

"we know you already have it, but we need to sell more than we did last time so we can continue touring for 12 year old girls and 15 year old scene boys who think they know what screamo/hardcore is!"

the fact that they called something 95% done crappy is hilarious.


Haha. I agree 110%.

[dukeboy1986]

Yeah, I agree with whoever posted a long time ago. I feel like leaks just take away from the anticipation of the new album so I just wait. Eh, but whatever.

[GroveStChris]

Bands have shirts, and can tour, because of album sales. That's a stripped down formula, but it's basically true.

yeah, i'll give you that tate, but most of the time bands can make more of a profit from albums bought while on tour. because they have to buy them from the label themselves (right?)

idk im very on the fence, but i'm not going to be giving it to everyone i know.

i am however excited for the actual release.
i wonder if it will be as different as the acceptance release.

[Jason Tate]

I'm sorry, I was supposed to say

"You're right, that album has max playability even after more than a year. Nevermind that it runs together and gets old real quick, I still love the cliche lyrics and awesome screams! I feel the same about Vheissu, Deja Entendu, Volcano, Voices and all the other INSTANT CLASSICS! Forgive me everyone I'll put my foot in my own ass because these albums are definitely some of the GREATEST EVER MADE and I'll listen to them and not expand my music taste outside the mainstream scene. God forbid I could find even better music out there, I'll just stick to the same bands and watch them release awesome records, no matter how bad they get!"
So, your main argument is that people can't like what they like? I fail to see how this is even remotely an intelligent argument to make ...

[dukeboy1986]

:'(

Nah dude, the news and stuff is pretty sweet but the idiots on here that bicker over silly things just need to grow up.

[reductiondesign]

Awesome response. I just gained a bunch of respect for them.

[dukeboy1986]

So, minus the idiots, thanks for starting this website.

[histrionics22]

Haha. I agree 110%. Also, the guy with the long quote about how much the scene sucks is a douche. Don't try to act like you're all old school... you admitted to going to a freakin Academy Is show... That's not punk OR rebellion, you dumb fuck. Way to TOTALLY contradict everything that you were saying. Lol... Idiot.

I didnt know it was against the law to like the Ramones and The Academy Is at the same time.

[TgE ARTdamage]

Sooooo.........

How's about them new Cheesy Bites from Pizza Hut.

Little cheese balls on your crust.

Crazy.

[GroveStChris]

Sooooo.........

How's about them new Cheesy Bites from Pizza Hut.

Little cheese balls on your crust.

Crazy.

have you had quepapas!?

[Jason Tate]

Nah dude, the news and stuff is pretty sweet but the idiots on here that bicker over silly things just need to grow up.
Haha, after dealing with it for 5 years, I just laugh at 90% of it .. then respond in the most cynical/sarcastic way I can.

[fromwithin]

So, your main argument is that people can't like what they like? I fail to see how this is even remotely an intelligent argument to make ...

No its because if people dont like said albums, they get bashed beyond belief for it sort of in a "HOW COULD YOU NOT ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS ALBUM?" I bought Deja the day it came out, enjoyed it for a few months, and then it got old and I dont listen to it anymore. It didn't change my life, and it isn't anything I havent heard before. I'm sorry that I dont agree with you guys on these albums and bands but get a grip. I'm so sick of 35 threads about the new underoath, 20 threads about brand new ticket sales, another 15 threads about the brand new demos, and so on and so forth. I want something different and not the same old shit.

[dukeboy1986]

Haha, after dealing with it for 5 years, I just laugh at 90% of it .. then respond in the most cynical/sarcastic way I can.

Haha, yeah, I don't understand it, why can't people just get along?

[dukeboy1986]

Oh well, such is life, but in terms of the new album is it remotely similar to WOCS or is it different?

[famouspunk88]

hell yeah i got it. the two first songs are amazing. the rest of the cd aint that good...lets hope its better when it comes out

[Jason Tate]

No its because if people dont like said albums, they get bashed beyond belief for it sort of in a "HOW COULD YOU NOT ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS ALBUM?" I bought Deja the day it came out, enjoyed it for a few months, and then it got old and I dont listen to it anymore. It didn't change my life, and it isn't anything I havent heard before. I'm sorry that I dont agree with you guys on these albums and bands but get a grip. I'm so sick of 35 threads about the new underoath, 20 threads about brand new ticket sales, another 15 threads about the brand new demos, and so on and so forth. I want something different and not the same old shit.
We post like 45-60 times a day, you can't find ANYTHING new in those posts? I think that's kind of hard to believe ... hell, I hang out in the general forums or recommendation forum for like 5 minutes and find 5-10 bands I've never heard of before.

[Make Out Kid]

I think they handled this really well.

And as for the other idiot who "only likes the music" wait till you can hear the actual music. Its amazing what can happen in just the last month or so when recording is being finished and it is mastered. They do still play some old songs but honestly, if you were in a band would you rather play more of your new songs that everyone in the band currently wrote or songs that half of the people had no part in? Last time I saw them (warped tour on def. not an "off day") they played 3 songs off of COT.

[TomAce]

Because "hardcore" fans like fromwithin are too old school and tough to accept a change. They still compare everything to when Dallas was in the band, which is ridiculous since they've changed. If they wanted to make a poppy mainstream record, they could. But they obviously didnt.

Underoath was never hardcore...they were metal...lets just get that out there, cuz not to point just you out, ive seen about 10 posts on here calling them hardcore. Just cuz they used to just use screaming doesnt make them hardcore, in fact most real hardcore doesnt even have screaming nor breakdowns

[Jason Tate]

hell yeah i got it. the two first songs are amazing. the rest of the cd aint that good...lets hope its better when it comes out
:shenlong_

[GeekChicOhio]

translated in english:

"PLEASE BUY OUR ALBUM!"

"we know you already have it, but we need to sell more than we did last time so we can continue touring for 12 year old girls and 15 year old scene boys who think they know what screamo/hardcore is!"

the fact that they called something 95% done crappy is hilarious.

This is absolute ignorance talking. If you believe this is true then you've got absolutely no idea what the process of creating an album is like. Even IF all of the tracks on these songs were laid down prior to the leak (which UO stated wasn't the case) the mixing and mastering process is still very important.
Have you ever been to a live show where bands sound check before starting? My guess is ALL OF THEM. And with good reason.
I wouldn't want to listen to even my favorite albums unmixed, because the difference is enormous.

[TSLManager]

Perhaps you should be spending more time on a site like this http://pitchforkmedia.com/ if you are interested in good music?

This site posts about the music that you are bitching about, I think you would be much happier on a diffrent site.

When I want to read about country music I don't come here and bitch that no one is talking about that latest Johnny Cash reissue.






No its because if people dont like said albums, they get bashed beyond belief for it sort of in a "HOW COULD YOU NOT ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS ALBUM?" I bought Deja the day it came out, enjoyed it for a few months, and then it got old and I dont listen to it anymore. It didn't change my life, and it isn't anything I havent heard before. I'm sorry that I dont agree with you guys on these albums and bands but get a grip. I'm so sick of 35 threads about the new underoath, 20 threads about brand new ticket sales, another 15 threads about the brand new demos, and so on and so forth. I want something different and not the same old shit.

[logantogovcentr]

Here, because you didn't read it the first time:

*Someone without our permission or knowledge took songs we were in the middle of working on and brought it home and gave it to their friends.
*Most of the songs are titled incorrectly since the person who stole it made their own sequence based on the track listing posted on our site. So the songs are named wrong and in the wrong order.
*They are all unmixed and not yet mastered and a few songs are missing guitar overdubs.
*There are still several minutes of some songs not included.

Now, please read it again, K, thanks.

dude, for one second, could you stop being a pretentious fuck? the song structures are not going to change, and overdubs aren't going to change the entire structure of a song. you may want to run the fact that a song is a song, and just because a few elements are missing from it's recording isn't going to monumentally change a song.

so, quit being a fucking dick, that dude doesn't like the album. deal with it. suck a dick. bye.

[neo506]

We post like 45-60 times a day, you can't find ANYTHING new in those posts? I think that's kind of hard to believe ... hell, I hang out in the general forums or recommendation forum for like 5 minutes and find 5-10 bands I've never heard of before.
...or he could leave if he hates it so much

[xgloryxfadesx27]

The stuff I've heard sounds pretty finished. Except for the final track, which is defiantely missed a couple minutes at least. Oh well, June 20th isn't that far away.

[ambulance]

No its because if people dont like said albums, they get bashed beyond belief for it sort of in a "HOW COULD YOU NOT ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS ALBUM?" I bought Deja the day it came out, enjoyed it for a few months, and then it got old and I dont listen to it anymore. It didn't change my life, and it isn't anything I havent heard before. I'm sorry that I dont agree with you guys on these albums and bands but get a grip. I'm so sick of 35 threads about the new underoath, 20 threads about brand new ticket sales, another 15 threads about the brand new demos, and so on and so forth. I want something different and not the same old shit.

same way i feel. except it also goes for any kind of opinion different from anothers on this site.

And honestly if you listen REAL close to the new underoath album, you can here the same basic concept used for like 5 of their songs. i listened to this album like 5 times straight and after a while it started to get really annoying because the songs started to sound the same. I seriously doubt this album can get any better with a few guitar overdubs. Same with straylight runs album when it leaked unmastered. they cleaned up production and a few other things and didnt change the way i felt about the album one bit.

[oldprospector]

the fake track 2: "a moment suspended in time" is the bomb track.

PS What was the new song they played live on the thrice tour? I wasn't a huge fan but maybe it will be better with listens.

[neo506]

the fake track 2: "a moment suspended in time" is the bomb track.

PS What was the new song they played live on the thrice tour? I wasn't a huge fan but maybe it will be better with listens.

I think it was what we have listed as "Writing on the walls"

I remember alot of double bass

[Jason Tate]

same way i feel. except it also goes for any kind of opinion different from anothers on this site.

And honestly if you listen REAL close to the new underoath album, you can here the same basic concept used for like 5 of their songs. i listened to this album like 5 times straight and after a while it started to get really annoying because the songs started to sound the same. I seriously doubt this album can get any better with a few guitar overdubs. Same with straylight runs album when it leaked unmastered. they cleaned up production and a few other things and didnt change the way i felt about the album one bit.
There is a big difference between mastering and mixing an album. An album just needing mastering, and one just needing mixing ... ah fuck it, no one is listening to me anyways.

[Make Out Kid]

dude, for one second, could you stop being a pretentious fuck? the song structures are not going to change, and overdubs aren't going to change the entire structure of a song. you may want to run the fact that a song is a song, and just because a few elements are missing from it's recording isn't going to monumentally change a song.

so, quit being a fucking dick, that dude doesn't like the album. deal with it. suck a dick. bye.
He never said it would change the structure. But the "finishing touches" on an album (the last weeks of recording, mastering) make some fairly drastic changes on a record.

[Jason Tate]

dude, for one second, could you stop being a pretentious fuck? the song structures are not going to change, and overdubs aren't going to change the entire structure of a song. you may want to run the fact that a song is a song, and just because a few elements are missing from it's recording isn't going to monumentally change a song.

so, quit being a fucking dick, that dude doesn't like the album. deal with it. suck a dick. bye.
:violin:

[xgloryxfadesx27]

There is a big difference between mastering and mixing an album. An album just needing mastering, and one just needing mixing ... ah fuck it, no one is listening to me anyways.

Basically, the album wasn't ready for people to hear it yet.

[TSLManager]

BTW, Track 2 is actually Track 9 and it's called "Writing on the walls"


the fake track 2: "a moment suspended in time" is the bomb track.

PS What was the new song they played live on the thrice tour? I wasn't a huge fan but maybe it will be better with listens.

[ambulance]

ill still probalby buy the album because its a decent cd, but i honestly doubt a few guitar parts and finished the last song is going to change the way i feel about the album. the two instrumental tracks are the most boring tracks i have ever heard. and they played the first one on the 'leak' at the last show i saw them at. i walked out on that song btw.

[fromwithin]

Perhaps you should be spending more time on a site like this http://pitchforkmedia.com/ if you are interested in good music?

This site posts about the music that you are bitching about, I think you would be much happier on a diffrent site.

When I want to read about country music I don't come here and bitch that no one is talking about that latest Johnny Cash reissue.
I'm just tired of hearing the SAME recycled stuff over and over again. When Underoath's album leaked on here, there was a thread. Then when someone got it two hours later, there was another thread. Then later that night, another thread. See where I'm getting at? All I'm saying is that there more bands out there doing more things than just Underoath, Brand New, Thrice, etc.

I'll give you a great example. Whenever pete wentz makes a journal entry on his site, its posted here. Who the fuck cares. Do they do that with every other person in a band that has a journal? No. Because its one of the select bands whose every move is posted on here.

But I know that youre a smart businessman, you manage two of the most hyped bands on this site: Underoath and The Starting Line.

[Jason Tate]

I'm just tired of hearing the SAME recycled stuff over and over again. When Underoath's album leaked on here, there was a thread. Then when someone got it two hours later, there was another thread. Then later that night, another thread. See where I'm getting at? All I'm saying is that there more bands out there doing more things than just Underoath, Brand New, Thrice, etc.

I'll give you a great example. Whenever pete wentz makes a journal entry on his site, its posted here. Who the fuck cares. Do they do that with every other person in a band that has a journal? No. Because its one of the select bands whose every move is posted on here.
www.absolutepunk.net/submitnews (http://www.absolutepunk.net/submitnews)

You can change what's posted here on the main page .. it's really easy. I post 95% of what's sent into me ..

[Storybookhero]

dude, for one second, could you stop being a pretentious fuck? the song structures are not going to change, and overdubs aren't going to change the entire structure of a song. you may want to run the fact that a song is a song, and just because a few elements are missing from it's recording isn't going to monumentally change a song.

so, quit being a fucking dick, that dude doesn't like the album. deal with it. suck a dick. bye.

"pretentious" - (Claiming or demanding a position of distinction or merit, especially when unjustified)... I would guess Tate has a position of knowing how the recording proccess works...

How many studio sessions have you been in? Do you know what overdubs, sequencing, mixing and mastering are?....I'm sure you'll google it if you have half a brain.

To put every single one of you stupid kids to rest. How do you know it won't b diffrent? YOU DON'T plain and simple you're all speculating on what you think you have no proof to any of it.

[fromwithin]

www.absolutepunk.net/submitnews (http://www.absolutepunk.net/submitnews)

You can change what's posted here .. it's really easy.
So your staff can take it and not give credit, or even post it? Yeah ok.

I've done it before, that's the reason I stopped. Your staff either didn't post the news or acted like they found it.

[Scott Weber]

My faith in the intelligence level of some AP.net users has gone down so much after reading some of the comments in this thread.

[Adeniz19]

i feel bad for underoath that this happened to them, but at least they seem to be taking it well for the cirumstances. hopefully the catch the kid who did it and make sure he doesnt work for this business again.

[phtmatt8]

the fact that they dont play songs before chasing safety is the perfect example of what i'm saying.

you want further proof?

I saw them in the middle of warped tour on an off date two years ago after chasing safety came out, and SURPRISE they played old stuff. they eventually weened this out though because they realized how popular they were getting with their "new" sound. That fall I saw them again headline, and everything they played was off chasing safety.


when i saw them just this past november, they played about every song off Chasing Safety except Reinventing Your Exit. wouldn't you say that was the song that gave them all those "younger" fans. apparenty they aren't doing it just for the popularity. they play what they want to play.

[Adeniz19]

So your staff can take it and not give credit, or even post it? Yeah ok.

I've done it before, that's the reason I stopped. Your staff either didn't post the news or acted like they found it.does it even matter if you get credit for it? you are such a toolbox

[fromwithin]

does it even matter if you get credit for it? you are such a toolbox

When the staff acts like cocky assholes, then yes I do.

[TSLManager]

I agree with everything you are saying in this post, one problem, THIS SITE WAS STARTED TO WRITE ABOUT BANDS JASON AND HIS FREINDS LIKE. I think alot of the bands they write about are crap, and when they write about crap I skip over it and look for something I like. For the record I love Brand New, Weezer, The Starting Line, Underoath, Say Anything and plenty of other bands they do write about but thats why I visit this site.

If you hate more of the bands than you like on here perhaps its time to start your own site or look for a new one that fits you better. The great thing about the internet is there are millions or nillions of sites to choose from.


PS I don't hate on you if you don't like what you hear from Underoath it's just stupidity that bugs me


I'm just tired of hearing the SAME recycled stuff over and over again. When Underoath's album leaked on here, there was a thread. Then when someone got it two hours later, there was another thread. Then later that night, another thread. See where I'm getting at? All I'm saying is that there more bands out there doing more things than just Underoath, Brand New, Thrice, etc.

I'll give you a great example. Whenever pete wentz makes a journal entry on his site, its posted here. Who the fuck cares. Do they do that with every other person in a band that has a journal? No. Because its one of the select bands whose every move is posted on here.

But I know that youre a smart businessman, you manage two of the most hyped bands on this site: Underoath and The Starting Line.

[xgloryxfadesx27]

My faith in the intelligence level of some AP.net users has gone down so much after reading some of the comments in this thread.

Scott, I don't think I ever told you how much I enjoyed your No Trigger-Canyoneer review.

Just throwing that out there.

[N8IVIin0rity]

No its because if people dont like said albums, they get bashed beyond belief for it sort of in a "HOW COULD YOU NOT ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS ALBUM?" I bought Deja the day it came out, enjoyed it for a few months, and then it got old and I dont listen to it anymore. It didn't change my life, and it isn't anything I havent heard before. I'm sorry that I dont agree with you guys on these albums and bands but get a grip. I'm so sick of 35 threads about the new underoath, 20 threads about brand new ticket sales, another 15 threads about the brand new demos, and so on and so forth. I want something different and not the same old shit.
want something different? get off your fucking computer and go outside.

[Jason Tate]

So your staff can take it and not give credit, or even post it? Yeah ok.

I've done it before, that's the reason I stopped. Your staff either didn't post the news or acted like they found it.
Then send it directly to me: jason.tate@absolutepunk.net and make sure to include your name, I'll post it.

I don't know what the deal is with my staff not posting your name with it ... so I don't know, but that seems like a lame reason to not like us.

[fromwithin]

I agree with everything you are saying in this post, one problem, THIS SITE WAS STARTED TO WRITE ABOUT BANDS JASON AND HIS FREINDS LIKE. I think alot of the bands they write about are crap, and when they write about crap I skip over it and look for something I like. For the record I love Brand New, Weezer, The Starting Line, Underoath, Say Anything and plenty of other bands they do write about but thats why I visit this site.

If you hate more of the bands than you like on here perhaps its time to start your own site or look for a new one that fits you better. The great thing about the internet is there are millions or nillions of sites to choose from.


PS I don't hate on you if you don't like what you hear from Underoath it's just stupidity that bugs me

I'm only in here for the forums nowadays. 99% of the news they post on here I could care less about. I find out about better bands and find more interesting things in there. Believe me, if it wasn't for the forums, then I'd be gone.

[Storybookhero]

My faith in the intelligence level of some AP.net users has gone down so much after reading some of the comments in this thread.


Good call weebs no one even thinks to wait and see they just spout off whatever they want.

[crzydrmmer]

yeah dude, i've heard this, and id ont think anyone should judge it harshly, because that would be bad haha, but i love what i've heard

[fromwithin]

want something different? get off your fucking computer and go outside.

what album is that from?;)

[Adeniz19]

www.leakmob.com
www.breeddifferentmedia.net
www.hatesomethingbeautiful.com
www.punknews.org

there are plenty of other music sites you can get news from

[fromwithin]

Then send it directly to me: jason.tate@absolutepunk.net and make sure to include your name, I'll post it.

I don't know what the deal is with my staff not posting your name with it ... so I don't know, but that seems like a lame reason to not like us.

I dont have a problem with you, I think you have one of the best sites on the internet. It's the others that I can't stand. As I said before I posted news and staff acted cocky like they posted it. The only other complaint that I have besides what Ive already said is the fact that everyone wanted more reviews on this site and it still hasnt been changed. Even if I wasnt getting paid, if I was staff on this site, I'd be banging out more reviews because the people actually care about what I would have to say.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

I'm just tired of hearing the SAME recycled stuff over and over again. When Underoath's album leaked on here, there was a thread. Then when someone got it two hours later, there was another thread. Then later that night, another thread. See where I'm getting at? All I'm saying is that there more bands out there doing more things than just Underoath, Brand New, Thrice, etc.

I'll give you a great example. Whenever pete wentz makes a journal entry on his site, its posted here. Who the fuck cares. Do they do that with every other person in a band that has a journal? No. Because its one of the select bands whose every move is posted on here.

But I know that youre a smart businessman, you manage two of the most hyped bands on this site: Underoath and The Starting Line.

Smart man, honestly. I agree with him to some extent. I've said this many times. Every time Pete opens his mouth, he gets posted here. Then 150 people leave a comment saying "I hate this guy." or "What an Idiot." It gets attention, yes. It gets replies, yes. But it's mostly all negative.

And there IS so many bands doing stuff right now besides all the bands that get hyped on this website. And to say "submit news" you can do it to, is kinda garbage. I agree with Tate to a certain extent as well, but staff are the ones who sort through all this and pick what they want.

But that is just one sides of the story. I can see both sides, very clearly.

[N8IVIin0rity]

what album is that from?;)
its one of the brand new demos.

[zizou1790]

Albums leak so easily today it's crazy

yeah its really getting rediculus but i really dont think it hurts album sales

[GoWaitInTheCar]

I agree with everything you are saying in this post, one problem, THIS SITE WAS STARTED TO WRITE ABOUT BANDS JASON AND HIS FREINDS LIKE. I think alot of the bands they write about are crap, and when they write about crap I skip over it and look for something I like. For the record I love Brand New, Weezer, The Starting Line, Underoath, Say Anything and plenty of other bands they do write about but thats why I visit this site.

Yeah, see that's the other side. This is HIS website, and we are just visitors. I like Jason a lot.

For the record, I love this website, and for the most part, I really like the staff. They are always asking on how to make this site better. That's real awesome of them to do.

It's just when I hear about those bands listed (I like most of them as well) I just get bored and tired with them. Brand New, great band. Underoath, good band, ya know, I appreciate them. It's kills me to hear about them day after day. There is other talented bands out there making incredible music, that no one knows about it. Recycled bands get hyped way to much. I want to see something more edgy, something more hit or miss. Not the same old power pop.

[Rohan Kohli]

yeah its really getting rediculus but i really dont think it hurts album sales

Tell that to Acceptance ;)

[TSLManager]

Me too, but there are so few great bands that people start to get excited about mediocre bands.


Recycled bands get hyped way to much. I want to see something more edgy, something more hit or miss. Not the same old power pop.

[Jason Tate]

I dont have a problem with you, I think you have one of the best sites on the internet. It's the others that I can't stand. As I said before I posted news and staff acted cocky like they posted it. The only other complaint that I have besides what Ive already said is the fact that everyone wanted more reviews on this site and it still hasnt been changed. Even if I wasnt getting paid, if I was staff on this site, I'd be banging out more reviews because the people actually care about what I would have to say.
Makes sense, and I try and convince my reviewer to write more .. they don't .. I don't know why, it's annoying to me too.

As for the news, we get SO much that it's hard to get it all posted .. then peoplecomplain if we post TOO much news, and things get tossed off the main page.

Never ending battle.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

I don't want anyone to take offense. Especially the staff members, I like you all, all good guys with good things you add to this website. That's why it has so many members, and that's why it's so popular. Cause it's great. I'm just bored with Power Pop. It's the same music, just by different bands, and every seems to think it's amazing. I just want something a bit new here, something hit or miss, something that sounds nothing like anything that gets a lot of hype here. Whatever that is, I don't see yet. But as I said, please don't take offense, I really like you all.

[dukeboy1986]

So how did this thread go from being about Underoath to how shitty absolutepunk.net is? The world will never know.

[Jason Tate]

I don't want anyone to take offense. Especially the staff members, I like you all, all good guys with good things you add to this website. That's why it has so many members, and that's why it's so popular. Cause it's great. I'm just bored with Power Pop. It's the same music, just by different bands, and every seems to think it's amazing. I just want something a bit new here, something hit or miss, something that sounds nothing like anything that gets a lot of hype here. Whatever that is, I don't see yet. But as I said, please don't take offense, I really like you all.
Like Anathallo, (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=124940) or Elefant (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=124929)?

I'm working to expand things, at the moment we are "known" as pop/punk sort of stuff, so that's why I get those exclusives and can really do cool things for those artists. Hopefully, in the future we'll be able to pull exclusives/features/etc. for other artists as well. At least that's my hope.

[fromwithin]

Makes sense, and I try and convince my reviewer to write more .. they don't .. I don't know why, it's annoying to me too.

As for the news, we get SO much that it's hard to get it all posted .. then peoplecomplain if we post TOO much news, and things get tossed off the main page.

Never ending battle.
I'm just going to start reviewing albums either in my journal or in the forum. I guarantee I'll have reviews for 50 albums before theyll have 10. But then I wont complain cause someone out there will be able to see reviews.

Believe me when I say I love you Tate and the site that you have birthed.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

As for the news, we get SO much that it's hard to get it all posted .. then peoplecomplain if we post TOO much news, and things get tossed off the main page.

Never ending battle.

I can def see this. I understand you do what you can.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

Like Anathallo, (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=124940) or Elefant (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=124929)?

I'm working to expand things, at the moment we are "known" as pop/punk sort of stuff, so that's why I get those exclusives and can really do cool things for those artists. Hopefully, in the future we'll be able to pull exclusives/features/etc. for other artists as well. At least that's my hope.

LOVE THEM BOTH. :) I know you are a fan. I am even wearing an Anathallo shirt in my profile picture.

Yeah, as I said, I understand. I've noticed changes in what's getting posted. I just wanted to some up my experience so far since I've joined.

When I saw The Smiths as an exclusive, it made my day.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

And one thing I didn't mention in this thread.

I do like Power Pop music.
I do like Brand New a lot.
I do like underOath somewhat.

I wasn't hating on it. I'm just bored with it.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

So how did this thread go from being about Underoath to how shitty absolutepunk.net is? The world will never know.

I don't think ap.net is shitty at all.

That's what I was afraid people might think after I was done, commenting.

I really like this website and the people in it.

[Coil]

the internet sucks. i'm glad i'm not on it.

[the horror]

i skipped a bunch of pages, but is it just me, or is Jason's tolerance for idiots getting a lot lower lately?
re: Underoath, i think the demos show the direction the new album is taking, and you'll if you like it now you'll like it when it's finished, and vice versa.

[shtjames]

this is exactly how bands should deal with leaks

[GoWaitInTheCar]

i skipped a bunch of pages, but is it just me, or is Jason's tolerance for idiots getting a lot lower lately?
re: Underoath, i think the demos show the direction the new album is taking, and you'll if you like it now you'll like it when it's finished, and vice versa.

Do you like the new album?

I'm just curious. I haven't heard it yet, but most say it's ..Chasing Safety Pt.2 with an exception of a couple tracks.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

this is exactly how bands should deal with leaks

I'm buyin' their idea as well and how they delt with it.

Nowadays if an album DOESN'T leak it's more of a surprise.

[the horror]

it's alright.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

it's alright.

I see.

[mogwaifearsatan]

I can't believe I just read that entire fucking argument and resolution. I seriously need a life.

[TSLManager]

Out of curiostiy how did Underoath deal with the leak? I'm not trying to be sarcastic but what is it that they did you like besides let people know what they are listening to?



this is exactly how bands should deal with leaks

[WinnerTakesAll]

I heard it a week ago and I like the old record better honestly. The first 6 tracks on this record went nowhere in my opinion and then it picked up in the end.

are you retarded?!

i've listened to these songs religiously since i've gotten them. they're AMAZING!

it's like... old underOATH had babies with old ETID and The Chariot and made something stronger than before. i LOVED TOCS, but this album is so great! the lack of singing will throw A LOT of people off... but really, this album seems so honest and so mature. it's great!

[Freud]

like seriously. why do threads like these generate the idiots? like i saw a post by someone, and their post count was 1. why do people join to post something stupid. like most of the people that have commented in here, they post everywhere. then you get the people with like...5 posts. damn trolls. jason, you should seriously start to think about implementing a trial membership for new joinees. the increase in idiots is rising.

[histrionics22]

Underoath was never hardcore...they were metal...lets just get that out there, cuz not to point just you out, ive seen about 10 posts on here calling them hardcore. Just cuz they used to just use screaming doesnt make them hardcore, in fact most real hardcore doesnt even have screaming nor breakdowns

By "hardcore" I meant from the beginning. And seriously, the difference between hardcore/metal/shitcore is almost indistinguishable anymore.

[MarkyMark1984]

it is definately unfortunate. i hope the guys know that we will all go out and support. i'm pretty sure their first week sales will be amazing. i know they are upset by this, but guys if you read this, do not be discouraged. i really want to see the upcoming tour with as cities burn!!

[MotionIsntMeaning]

umm...i don't really know what everyone else is complaining about, but I heard two songs live. not the demos, unmixed whatevers, or whodoesits...i was completely blown away. they're only chasing safety was written and recorded in like what, less than a year? this album they've had time to write, and you know what, minus the fact that's it's Spencer rather than Dallas, it's pretty much picking up where Changing of Times left off...it's heavier and to tell ya the truth, it's probably gonna upset a lot of those more, dread i say it, "scene" kids into disliking them. this is definitely gonna be make or break for these kids, but i'm sure they'll do well. they deserve it....and lay off the Christian cracks, idiots. I'm agnostic myself, but I can tell you right now, not every Christian on earth is a bible toting, goodie goodie. open your minds, it's quite interesting what misconceptions you have of people can be quickly washed away....

very true.

[yeah]

No its because you belong with the mass of hypocrites who complain about fanbase while saying it should be about the music. People who rip on albums because they are popular. The people who rip apart kids for calling something screamo, then namedrop 5 old bands because it validates you as better.

i know this was said seven pages back but i have to say that is very well said, and i couldn't agree more.

[logantogovcentr]

:violin:

whatever, man. you can stop with your "i'm too cool for this" facade. you're such a smug fuck.

[punkrockcasual]

Out of curiostiy how did Underoath deal with the leak? I'm not trying to be sarcastic but what is it that they did you like besides let people know what they are listening to?

Yeah, I know what you're saying. But from what these kids know, they think they're accepting that it leaked and telling them not to worry about it because they aren't finished.

[punkrockcasual]

whatever, man. you can stop with your "i'm too cool for this" facade. you're such a smug fuck.

'for this'.. no. He's just better than you.

[oldprospector]

I think it was what we have listed as "Writing on the walls"

I remember alot of double bass

Oh yes, your probably right. I like this song much better with multiple listens...


BTW, Track 2 is actually Track 9 and it's called "Writing on the walls"

track names are over rated

[logantogovcentr]

"pretentious" - (Claiming or demanding a position of distinction or merit, especially when unjustified)... I would guess Tate has a position of knowing how the recording proccess works...

How many studio sessions have you been in? Do you know what overdubs, sequencing, mixing and mastering are?....I'm sure you'll google it if you have half a brain.

To put every single one of you stupid kids to rest. How do you know it won't b diffrent? YOU DON'T plain and simple you're all speculating on what you think you have no proof to any of it.

i don't know if jason tate has any idea what being in a studio is like. i, however, do. so before you go pretending like you know everything, you might want to check yourself. mixing and mastering will NOT change the final product that much, all that mixing and mastering does is check levels, make sure that panning is happening where it should, it verifies that volume is at a listenable level, it smooths the "peaks" that you may get when recording in the red, at times.

mixing and mastering will not change songs. it won't. if you hear the product now, unless there are overdubs that are changing the structures, melodies, and composition of the song, if you don't like it now - you won't like it after it's done. it's as simple as that.

so, obviously, you are unaware of what overdubs, sequencing, mixing, and mastering are. you, sir, can eat a bag of dicks.

[logantogovcentr]

'for this'.. no. He's just better than you.

sick, man.

[Jason Tate]

whatever, man. you can stop with your "i'm too cool for this" facade. you're such a smug fuck.
Hey, I agree with you on something.

:shrugs:

[logantogovcentr]

Hey, I agree with you on something.

:shrugs:

awesome.

[dontgrabtindy]

wow i never knew some many idiots existed

i thank this thread for this

[FASSWcore]

wow i never knew some many idiots existed

i thank this thread for this
haha, ironic

[MotionIsntMeaning]

I can't believe I just read that entire fucking argument and resolution. I seriously need a life.

hahaha. i feel the same way.

[etid dani]

blah blah blah. so it leaked. and its unmastered and its unfinished. who cares. listen to it if you want to and you can like it if you want. everyone has thier opinion.

[kazuma_ootaro28]

I still can't wait for when the actual final product reaches stores.

[Skatetopunk]

ha tate i have been here for 3 years... and your sarcasm never gets old... i love when stupid people try and sound smart

[lftcoastenvy05]

ill admit i gave it a listen, and i nearly shit my pants hearing how good it was right now. it is amazing on how much better this album is than theyre only chasing safety.

[Adeniz19]

i dont think this sounds anything like a They're Only Chasing Safety II

[-Aaron-]

I got the tracks like the first few hours I heard that it leaked. I was surprised to hear Spencers deeper screams. Its still not as hard as This Runs Through. Its a change for the better I think.

The first track on the leaked cd I swear in the first verse it sounds like Keith Buckley and the guitars sorta sound like ETID. I was like wtf h4x.

I gave up hope for the "old" underoath sound once TOCS was released. You gotta think 2 original members are left, Chris and Aaron. I forget if Chris was on Acts of Depression. So if anything only 1 original member. So for them to sound like the used to is kind of absurd.

Tate I have a feeling you dont like Maylene and the Sons of Disaster much. Why is that? I thought you like ETID and which Maylene and them have some similiarities.

I will be buying Define the Great Line June 20th. Just because Ive loved Underoath since 2000, so why stop now just because they have way more fans? They still are some of the nicest guys Ive met.

[solo.nate]

Do people often tell you they can see where your mother poked you with a hanger?

Just me?

Well then, sorry for breaking your bubble - but you're an idiot. Seriously ... from your description of their fan base, to your 95%, to your thought that a band shouldn't tell people the truth. All of it makes me want to scream.

pwnt.

[dillonzach86]

I was tempted to download it but I'm really glad I waited to buy it. I wanted to be surprised and I shall be.

[thesunsasleep]

translated in english:

"PLEASE BUY OUR ALBUM!"

"we know you already have it, but we need to sell more than we did last time so we can continue touring for 12 year old girls and 15 year old scene boys who think they know what screamo/hardcore is!"

the fact that they called something 95% done crappy is hilarious.


youre actually a ***got and i would hit you in the face for saying that. shut the fuck up.

[thesunsasleep]

I got the tracks like the first few hours I heard that it leaked. I was surprised to hear Spencers deeper screams. Its still not as hard as This Runs Through. Its a change for the better I think.

The first track on the leaked cd I swear in the first verse it sounds like Keith Buckley and the guitars sorta sound like ETID. I was like wtf h4x.

I gave up hope for the "old" underoath sound once TOCS was released. You gotta think 2 original members are left, Chris and Aaron. I forget if Chris was on Acts of Depression. So if anything only 1 original member. So for them to sound like the used to is kind of absurd.

Tate I have a feeling you dont like Maylene and the Sons of Disaster much. Why is that? I thought you like ETID and which Maylene and them have some similiarities.

I will be buying Define the Great Line June 20th. Just because Ive loved Underoath since 2000, so why stop now just because they have way more fans? They still are some of the nicest guys Ive met.

What the fuck does " Its still not as hard as This Runs Through supposed to mean? Underoath isnt this runs through so who gives a fuck why are you comparing underoath to some shit band?

[baton]

i'll wait, definitely, but now i'm thinking of downloading this one too since it will be so different, i would listen to that leak in september or something when i will want to hear something new :-P


What the fuck does " Its still not as hard as This Runs Through supposed to mean? Underoath isnt this runs through so who gives a fuck why are you comparing underoath to some shit band?

actually spencer was vocalist for this band so that's the point in comparing i think :-|




I gave up hope for the "old" underoath sound once TOCS was released. You gotta think 2 original members are left, Chris and Aaron. I forget if Chris was on Acts of Depression. So if anything only 1 original member. So for them to sound like the used to is kind of absurd.



i just seen somewhere that aaron is the last one, they had like 12 different members :-)

[JoshIsArealBoy]

First album is better, but I will still buy this when it comes out!

[Mercy Medical]

I'm going to steal something.....

[booyah.achieved]

I'm on both sides. It was great to hear where UO is taking the new CD, I love the massive amount of influence on their sound. However, I can't wait to hear the finished, polished, perfect product. They will even his vocals, add guitar, add MINUTES to songs, put the songs in a flowing order.. oh god I messed my pants.

To the few talking about Acceptance leaking.. this will be a much bigger difference than what was changed from Phantoms Adv. to Phantoms Retail.

[-Aaron-]

What the fuck does " Its still not as hard as This Runs Through supposed to mean? Underoath isnt this runs through so who gives a fuck why are you comparing underoath to some shit band?

Some shit band? This Runs Through was quite good especially if you like Spencers vocals. He had a wide arrange of screams back then from brutally deep do his high one he uses alot now. You would prolly like them.

[com(?)]

unfinished or not, it still sounds pretty good.

[so typical]

i will buy it.

[thesunsasleep]

the fact that they dont play songs before chasing safety is the perfect example of what i'm saying.

you want further proof?

I saw them in the middle of warped tour on an off date two years ago after chasing safety came out, and SURPRISE they played old stuff. they eventually weened this out though because they realized how popular they were getting with their "new" sound. That fall I saw them again headline, and everything they played was off chasing safety.

it's funny how you say they dont play anthing pre-chasing safety. when i saw them last they played angel below and when the suns sleeps, so before you say stupid shit, don't even say it actually just shutup.

[Defiantone]

I have this version of the album and it sounds amazing, its heavier than safety but so powerful, can't wait to hear the finished mastered version.