how open are you to white rappers (honestly?)

[thespearkid]

i'm going to be completely honest with you guys; i know a guy who's got the potential to be the greatest rapper of all time. seriously, i've heard this guy freestyle stuff way sicker than the pre-written garbage on the last P.O.S. album. problem is, he isn't quite sure if people are really open to white rappers yet. i mean, think about it like this: how many mediocre, boring black rappers do you hear on the radio? well, how many mediocre, boring white rappers do you hear on the radio? with that very complicated, and poorly worded, forumla in mind, i ask you this question, AP.net:

how open are you to white rappers (honestly?)

[phil19]

vanilla ice was the shit

[Genuma]

that's a pretty bold statement.

[lonelysuperstar]

Playdough is my favourite rapper and he is white. That is all.

[thespearkid]

that's a pretty bold statement.
i know, man. i don't consider myself a hip-hop expert but i know a lot more than some do about it and i seriously think this kid, when he's on, is just as good as some of the greats.

[Shakriel]

As long as he isn't like this: http://www.fatcap.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/paul-wall.jpg

Then I'd give him a chance.

[Genuma]

i know, man. i don't consider myself a hip-hop expert but i know a lot more than some do about it and i seriously think this kid, when he's on, is just as good as some of the greats.
does he have a myspace or videos? also, fuck these joke posts. there are some serious hip hop fans here, though. jumpoff and Get up and dance are both extremely reliable.

[chipdip18]

I'm open to it, their flow is usually wack though.

[thespearkid]

does he have a myspace or videos? also, fuck these joke posts. there are some serious hip hop fans here, though. jumpoff and Get up and dance are both extremely reliable.
he doesn't have his stuff up yet but he'll have something up soon, i'm sure. just a prewarning for everyone, i'm going to rep him hard here haha. i honestly think AP.net would love him.

[Genuma]

he doesn't have his stuff up yet but he'll have something up soon, i'm sure. just a prewarning for everyone, i'm going to rep him hard here haha. i honestly think AP.net would love him.
I'll definitely listen once he gets something up.

[kianacarly]

I know a lot of people who automatically think that any white rapper apart from Eminem sucks, and they usually get tagged as being someone who is "trying to be black." I'm open to any white rappers, but sadly I know a lot of people who aren't. I think a lot of them could be persuaded if they like what they here though, and maybe even a little impressed that it's coming from a white rapper?

[micahistheballs]

www.myspace.com/gangstapolice

Denver Thuggetz is a jam.

[bowl of oranges]

The only one with some semblance of talent that I've heard is Eminem. I also think he's very over-rated
Then again, I have a very limited knowledge of the genre, so I don't really have much more input to give.

[chipdip18]

I was going to mention Gangsta Police.

[micahistheballs]

I was going to mention Gangsta Police.
Good, good man.

[llwilliamsll]

Being that the hip hop/rap genre has been predominantly black (and correct me if I'm wrong) I would say that people come to accept it shitty or not, same as for, say...pop punk being predominantly white, if you will (and people accepting it shitty or not). In that sense, people will understand if he/she is talented or not and I would say that beats out any kind of fame, depending on what he/she wants. Credit will be given to where credit is due and it will be accepted if worthy.

If you're talking about how it will be received in pop culture sense, then it's really hit or miss. For example, Asher Roth wrote a song about how he loves college. Would you say that is talented? I personally would not. Singing about keggers, beer pong, loving college, isn't what I would consider talent, though it could be argued otherwise (but really?). If the person writes about something that people feel catchy (in Asher's case), vulger (in Eminem's case at times), etc then there shouldn't be any problem being accepted. I'm too tired to go on with this rant, but essentially I really don't care if they are white or not. It's a matter of talent and the context of the music for me. The only white rapper/hip hop artist(s) I can think of are the Beastie Boys. I don't mind the music they create.

[chipdip18]

Good, good man.


One of my top ten favorite bands. :wink:

[thespearkid]

Being that the hip hop/rap genre has been predominantly black (and correct me if I'm wrong) I would say that people come to accept it shitty or not, same as for, say...pop punk being predominantly white, if you will (and people accepting it shitty or not). In that sense, people will understand if he/she is talented or not and I would say that beats out any kind of fame, depending on what he/she wants. Credit will be given to where credit is due and it will be accepted if worthy.

If you're talking about how it will be received in pop culture sense, then it's really hit or miss. For example, Asher Roth wrote a song about how he loves college. Would you say that is talented? I personally would not. Singing about keggers, beer pong, loving college, isn't what I would consider talent, though it could be argued otherwise (but really?). If the person writes about something that people feel catchy (in Asher's case), vulger (in Eminem's case at times), etc then there shouldn't be any problem being accepted. I'm too tired to go on with this rant, but essentially I really don't care if they are white or not. It's a matter of talent and the context of the music for me. The only white rapper/hip hop artist(s) I can think of are the Beastie Boys. I don't mind the music they create.
I totally get what you're saying. I mean like, say what you want for Eminem's skill level, but if he wasn't as vulgar and as outrageous as he is, he wouldn't have made it as a rapper, not because he isn't skilled, but because he isn't black.

[WhitestKidUKnow]

aesop rock is really legit.

[thespearkid]

aesop rock is really legit.
... dude, you're the whitest kid I know.

[wuduprod]

as long as it's not juggalo shit i'll give it an honest chance.

[llwilliamsll]

I totally get what you're saying. I mean like, say what you want for Eminem's skill level, but if he wasn't as vulgar and as outrageous as he is, he wouldn't have made it as a rapper, not because he isn't skilled, but because he isn't black.
Exactly. I mean there is definitely a stereotype that white people can't rap. And it is based on those who have tried in a mocking manner or are absolute shit (Vanilla Ice might be a good example of that. But we get it, you like him because it's funny to do so, not because he's talented). I'm sure if I were to go on to a myspace page, it being for a hip hop/rap artist, and seeing a white kid in the pictures, I would probably 'x' out of the page or listen to it already with a judgment that it probably blows. And I use "hip hop/rap" only because I have yet to figure out the difference between the two.

[abandonship]

Completely open to white rappers. Eminem and Astronautalis(if you call him rap) are two of my favorites.

[AndrewIcex]

Every white rapper seems to be compared to Eminem (in most circumstances)

Just like every female fronted band seems to be compared to Paramore (in most circumstances)

Neither white rappers or female vocalists (in a band) can get over this hurdle of the comparisons, yet.

Just a thought, though I definitely hope that changes soon.

[omgrawr]

i think people are open to a white rapper as long as he doesnt try to be something hes not. asher roth recently got pretty popular by rapping about pretty "white" subjects. i think any white rapper that gains success though is doomed to be compared to eminem all the time though. if hes rly good theres no reason that he wouldnt have a chance to make it big.

[Iwudstilldie4u]

Being a white rapper: Is there a stigma?

</oldjoke>

My favorite rappers are white, mainly because I can identify better with them. They are Eminem and Mike Shinoda (Linkin Park, Fort Minor). Then again, I am a very white person, and hip-hop is by no means my favorite genre. I like conscious rap the best (Lupe Fiasco, Atmosphere), and I feel that many black hip-hop artists in the mainstream don't make that kind of music. Because white people don't rap about the 'hood or about booty (too much), they are less in the mainstream, but I prefer them because they rap about more interesting things (politics, social commentary). These statements are, of course, broad generalizations, and there are exceptions to everything I say.

[TheOtherAndrew]

Sage Francis. Done.

[Asmodeus]

Im pretty open to it, I dont see color I just judge them on flow and lyrical content
Music >>> everything else

[murrich]

I don't listen to that much rap, I enjoy the Beastie Boys though.

[briewer]

Beastie Boys and The Streets. I haven't come across any others that I like.

[SolitaryBlue]

Im pretty open to it, I dont see color I just judge them on flow and lyrical content
Music >>> everything else
pretty much this. you should ask your friend to post some of his music. I'd like to hear some of it, considering
how good you say he is.

[Sarcasm]

It depends on what they rap about.

Eminem is great because he takes his experiences and bundles them up in his raps. He raps about real things, unlike much of the mainstream rap out there. Those are just about "cars, pimps, booty, money., etc.."

Race doesn't really matter much, its more what you deliver.

[thespearkid]

Race doesn't really matter much, its more what you deliver.
I definitely agree with you there. It's sad to see hip-hop and rock so segregated.

[God damner]

Sage Francis, Atomosphere, Brother Ali... If your friends got heart and talent he will be appraised by people looking for it.

[Jake Denning]

No offense to the OP, but I like Rappers in general, regardless of skin color. I mean, LP from Yellowcard is black, does that make him any less of a drummer? No, he's crazy good.

a Musician is a Musician.

[kazuma_ootaro28]

I don't see why it should be that big of a deal. There are Caucasian rappers that are better than Eminem. Beastie Boys and Mike Skinner (The Streets) were already mentioned.

[caveBEAR]

I enjoy Cage and Atmosphere as well, didn't see them mentioned.

[muttley]

White... Black... If they can rap, it's cool with me.

[Jali]

I'm pretty unaware of race in that I've never really thought of any genre as "white" or "black" because its music! I must admit, though, I don't know of that many white rappers. I like Eminem, Fumin, All of Blackout Crew (even though they are technically shite but they are entertaining), Beastie Boys, uh.. Tom Green?

[introduction]

not terribly.

[caveBEAR]

I'm pretty unaware of race in that I've never really thought of any genre as "white" or "black" because its music! I must admit, though, I don't know of that many white rappers. I like Eminem, Fumin, All of Blackout Crew (even though they are technically shite but they are entertaining), Beastie Boys, uh.. Tom Green?

Tom Green? Wow, you really don't know many white rappers...

[Derka Derka]

if he is good then he's good, his race doesn't matter

[kearn1tm]

If you're good, I could care less if you're the color of a pineapple.

[Nevuk]

Only if they're swedish.

But if he's a good enough rapper, it really isn't going to matter - with that said, he will likely never be as big as a black rapper of similar skill would be. IF he's fine with that, go ahead.

[zachff]

If you guys are really interested in hearing awesome, legit white rappers check out Hilltop Hoods. They are Australia's top selling hip-hop act and they really have a Jurassic 5 kind of vibe. Their albums all go gold in Australia but they're essentially unknown in the US.

I'd recommend the singles Nosebleed Section or The Hard Road.

[Mibabalou]

oMG lYke 3oh!3 is br00t4L

[Animalhill]

i'm going to be completely honest with you guys; i know a guy who's got the potential to be the greatest rapper of all time. seriously, i've heard this guy freestyle stuff way sicker than the pre-written garbage on the last P.O.S. album. problem is, he isn't quite sure if people are really open to white rappers yet. i mean, think about it like this: how many mediocre, boring black rappers do you hear on the radio? well, how many mediocre, boring white rappers do you hear on the radio? with that very complicated, and poorly worded, forumla in mind, i ask you this question, AP.net:

how open are you to white rappers (honestly?)
It depends I guess. If they are sick than I dig them. For example: Aesop Rock (had NO idea he was white for the longest time) Atmosphere (same. thought he was black). I also have a friend that is SICK. Eye Nine. He's amazing.

[OtherBen]

only people who know nothing about hip-hop care about shit like this.

[Jali]

Tom Green? Wow, you really don't know many white rappers...
Hey, Tom Green invented hip-hop!
TKAn0qJupKU

[Getup and Dance]

i'm going to be completely honest with you guys; i know a guy who's got the potential to be the greatest rapper of all time. seriously, i've heard this guy freestyle stuff way sicker than the pre-written garbage on the last P.O.S. album. problem is, he isn't quite sure if people are really open to white rappers yet. i mean, think about it like this: how many mediocre, boring black rappers do you hear on the radio? well, how many mediocre, boring white rappers do you hear on the radio? with that very complicated, and poorly worded, forumla in mind, i ask you this question, AP.net:

how open are you to white rappers (honestly?)

I listen to a lot of white rappers.

i know, man. i don't consider myself a hip-hop expert but i know a lot more than some do about it and i seriously think this kid, when he's on, is just as good as some of the greats.

I may be wrong but weren't you the kid who said The Carter III was a great hip hop album?

The only one with some semblance of talent that I've heard is Eminem. I also think he's very over-rated
Then again, I have a very limited knowledge of the genre, so I don't really have much more input to give.

Check out Cecil Otter, The Grouch, and Elgih those are some of my favorites to listen too.

aesop rock is really legit.

Really living up to be the whitest kid we know.

Sage Francis. Done.

Ehhhhh

[bladerdude360]

I feel like a lot of white rappers resort to being gimmicky (Asher Roth, Eminem at times, that nerdy white guy who I can't remember), but I don't mind white rappers if they actually rap. Don't think anyone has mentioned Jonny 5 from Flobots - I love him, he's so sick.

[PenThrive]

I'm extremely open to white rappers. And to be honest, I can't digest the radio rap that crowds airwaves. One of my favorite rappers is white:
Macklemore.

[Keagan Ilvonen]

I totally get what you're saying. I mean like, say what you want for Eminem's skill level, but if he wasn't as vulgar and as outrageous as he is, he wouldn't have made it as a rapper, not because he isn't skilled, but because he isn't black.

I think he would have made it, just not to the degree he did make it too. Stirring up shit with other celebs benefited him as well.

[ReignofFiction]

Cage is pretty sick
Atmosphere is pretty awesome
Copywrite was decent
Eminem well we all know

I haven't really seeked out white rappers...but if this kid is that good then he will have an underground following.

[FueledByRock]

Tell him to go for it. I'd be open to it, but he'll probably be compared to Eminem all the time. Good luck.

[JustAGirl01]

Cecil Otter is pretty legit

he is in the Doomtree clique with P.O.S

[GuitarR0cker1]

aesop rock is really legit.
aesop rock is more than legit.

[kbi the crowing]

aesop rock is more than legit.

this

& Weerd Science

[thespearkid]

I may be wrong but weren't you the kid who said The Carter III was a great hip hop album?

Yeah, haha. I don't think it's as great as I did a few months ago but I still like it.

[$eth]

I'm very open to white rappers. (Probably because I'm white.) Check out my favorite rapper in the vid below. Name's Kasper From The K. I think he's really good.
T5oJhnTvpEU

[yellowhouse]

aesop rock, brother ali, mc chris, atmosphere...all white, all awesome.

im pretty open to it.

[poops]

the beastie boys are a total win.

I don't listen to much rap but as long as its not really vulgar and cheesy I don't care if they're white or black

[thespearkid]

I'm very open to white rappers. (Probably because I'm white.) Check out my favorite rapper in the vid below. Name's Kasper From The K. I think he's really good.
T5oJhnTvpEU
He's alright, a little slow though, for my tastes at least.

[$eth]

He's alright, a little slow though, for my tastes at least.

Some of his songs are faster and a little "raunchier". Check his myspace. Myspace.com/kasperfromthek (http://www.myspace.com/kasperfromthek).

[Bob Payne]

As a hip hop fan, I don't give a shit about what race they are. But I would add that a lot of white artists in the genre don't have the convenience of getting to be subpar lyricists in the scene, because of the obvious bias against them. People can feel sincerity, though, so if your friend is authentic, then people will respond.

Just tell him not to use beats made in fruity loops.

[Momo32T]

I really think most of you should see the movie Whiteboyz. Has some great commentary on this subject.

[EastCoastLights]

http://blog.vh1.com/files/images/photos/uncategorized/2007/03/16/jbinterview.jpg

hallelujah holla back!

[ASeaOfSound]

White people cannot rap at all. Dey shouldn't be allowed to.

[thespearkid]

As a hip hop fan, I don't give a shit about what race they are. But I would add that a lot of white artists in the genre don't have the convenience of getting to be subpar lyricists in the scene, because of the obvious bias against them. People can feel sincerity, though, so if your friend is authentic, then people will respond.

Just tell him not to use beats made in fruity loops.
Naw man, he doesn't mess with fruity loops haha. He's working on producing his own stuff as well. I'm excited to break him, whenever he's ready.

[MattADALIE]

Forget about Vanilla Ice or even Eminem. Below is what truly made white rap the phenomenon it is today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D39Lm_HRfOs

For those of you who don't check the link (embedding failed for some reason), it's "Informer" by none other than Snow. 1993 is back!

[GunTheVillain]

Well, Im white and Im working on a hip hop project myself. Im highly influenced by http://www.myspace.com/kylelucasmusic and http://www.myspace.com/ilovetmills The first being the more hip hop influence, and the second is... I dunno. Just something I really like I guess. :D

[Mochem]

Pretty much all the rap I listen to is from white rappers. Eminem, Asher Roth, Little-T and One Track Mike, 1000 Clowns. The latter two aren't popular, or even particularly good, but I love it. I guess I just have a thing for light hearted, chilled out white rap.

[Neo Cassady]

The only one with some semblance of talent that I've heard is Eminem. I also think he's very over-rated
Then again, I have a very limited knowledge of the genre, so I don't really have much more input to give.

This is my exact feeling on the matter.

[Robototron]

Most white rappers are pretty bad (case in point: most of the rappers mentioned in this thread), but I don't really have a prejudice against them. If someone told me so and so rapper was good I wouldn't immediately write them off if I found out they were white or something. I like the Beastie Boys and shit.

The idea that white rappers are more "relatable" because they're generally white males from the suburbs is not only one of the worst, but also one of the most over-used, arguments on the planet, though. Drives me nuts when people say stupid shit like that.

[RiCCioLi]

i love ICP and matisyahu

[briewer]

If you're good, I could care less if you're the color of a pineapple.
But we're not talking about pineapple-colored, we're talking about white. Stay on topic.

[thespearkid]

This cat isn't a suburbs kid, for sure. He grew up just as poor as I did so he has an appreciation for the culture some of the more "back pack" white rappers may not have.

[HangsLikeHeaven]

Possibly the best rapper of all time? Regardless what race he is, I apparently need to hear this.

[HangsLikeHeaven]

White people cannot rap at all. Dey shouldn't be allowed to.
Pretty much all the rap I listen to is from white rappers. Eminem, Asher Roth, Little-T and One Track Mike, 1000 Clowns. The latter two aren't popular, or even particularly good, but I love it. I guess I just have a thing for light hearted, chilled out white rap.
i love ICP and matisyahu

Good posts all around.

[thespearkid]

Possibly the best rapper of all time? Regardless what race he is, I apparently need to hear this.
I honestly see that potential in him. Again, I'm no expert but the stuff he's working on sick.

[Mochem]

Good posts all around.
Haha what's wrong with my post? I like what I like. There's plenty of other rappers that I think are good, I just don't find myself coming back to them.