Redick = AP POTY

[Drew Beringer]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2391458

yep

[LeftWideOpen]

it's really hard to make a convincing case for one over the other ..i woulda understood either one of them winning.

43-29 is a little more one-sided than i expected though. i figured it'd come down to no more then about 5 or 6 votes.

[asianxcore]

sweet

[Johnny_G]

I don't agree, but Morrison will get his recognition come draft time, when hes a top 10 pick and JJs fighting to stay in the first round.

[LeftWideOpen]

I don't agree, but Morrison will get his recognition come draft time, when hes a top 10 pick and JJs fighting to stay in the first round.

do you not agree because you hate Duke or because you think Morrison had the better year? Because it's pretty damn hard to separate the two and what they did this year.

[Johnny_G]

do you not agree because you hate Duke or because you think Morrison had the better year? Because it's pretty damn hard to separate the two and what they did this year.

No I don't agree because Morrison was/is the better player. Redick's a great spot up shooter don't get me wrong, but he still struggles to create his own shot. Redick also had tons more to work with, along with one of the best coaches in the game (if not the best) to create opportunities for him. He's improved 400% since his Freshman season, but he's stil not a complete player. Not to mention he had the best big man in college ball to take some load off of his shoulders. Morrison had some help as well, but his ability to take over games absolutely towers over Redick's. He's a complete offensive player (neither is a great defender).

I think it boiled down to Morrison being on the West coast and Redick on the East. Duke vs Gonzaga is also a huge deciding factor, and in close races the player from the better or more prestigious team will get the nod. Redick deserved to win, but not as much as Morrison.

[preppyak]

43-29 is a little more one-sided than i expected though. i figured it'd come down to no more then about 5 or 6 votes.
same here...but they both deserved it

do you not agree because you hate Duke or because you think Morrison had the better year? Because it's pretty damn hard to separate the two and what they did this year.
I think statistically Morrison had a better year, but of course the counter argument is JJ did it in the ACC.

Well, now that it's been decided, that settles that debate

[LeftWideOpen]

No I don't agree because Morrison was/is the better player. Redick's a great spot up shooter don't get me wrong, but he still struggles to create his own shot. Redick also had tons more to work with, along with one of the best coaches in the game (if not the best) to create opportunities for him. He's improved 400% since his Freshman season, but he's stil not a complete player. Not to mention he had the best big man in college ball to take some load off of his shoulders. Morrison had some help as well, but his ability to take over games absolutely towers over Redick's. He's a complete offensive player (neither is a great defender).

I think it boiled down to Morrison being on the West coast and Redick on the East. Duke vs Gonzaga is also a huge deciding factor, and in close races the player from the better or more prestigious team will get the nod. Redick deserved to win, but not as much as Morrison.

Those points could easily be turned around though and approached like this ..
1) He had more to work with, which took away from his chances. If he was forced to carry the load, he may very well have exceeded Morrison's totals. Also, Mark Few isnt exactly some chump. He's done this w/ Gonzaga long before Morrison came and is consistently mentioned for some of the best coaching positions that become available.
2) What Reddick did was even more impressive because of Sheldon Williams. Having the load taken off his shoulders may have hurt his numbers. Morrison didn't have this problem.
3) The East Coast/West Coast thing doesnt really apply here. Morrison was on the cover of SI and every single game Gonzaga played made the highlight reel on SportsCenter. There wasn't any shaft in terms of media coverage ..they were both equally smothered by the media.

I'm not saying J.J deserved it more ...I'm just saying a case can easily be made for both. I don't think either player separated themselves from the other. Either would have been a fine choice.

[Scott Weber]

I was hoping Morrison would win it. Hard to vote against the most prolific ACC shooter in history though.

[Johnny_G]

Those points could easily be turned around though and approached like this ..
1) He had more to work with, which took away from his chances. If he was forced to carry the load, he may very well have exceeded Morrison's totals. Also, Mark Few isnt exactly some chump. He's done this w/ Gonzaga long before Morrison came and is consistently mentioned for some of the best coaching positions that become available.
2) What Reddick did was even more impressive because of Sheldon Williams. Having the load taken off his shoulders may have hurt his numbers. Morrison didn't have this problem.

I'm not saying J.J deserved it more ...I'm just saying a case can easily be made for both. I don't think either player separated themselves from the other. Either would have been a fine choice.

It's not more impressive, without Williams Redick would NEVER have had the season he did. He would have surely faced more double teams and stiffer defenses without Sheldon drawing so much attention inside. Pounding the ball inside helped free up the perimeter. That's not even an argument.

Anyway, they both deserved it, I just think the vote was extremely generous in favor of the player from the East coast and the better team, which is fucking bs if you ask me.

[Caleb Cattivera]

It's not more impressive, without Williams Redick would NEVER have had the season he did. He would have surely faced more double teams and stiffer defenses without Sheldon drawing so much attention inside. Pounding the ball inside helped free up the perimeter. That's not even an argument.

Anyway, they both deserved it, I just think the vote was extremely generous in favor of the player from the East coast and the better team, which is fucking bs if you ask me.

you're implying alot of if's.

[weezer182]

It should have been atleast a tie. I thought Morrison had a better year. Oh well, Morrison will turn out to be a better pro in my opinion

[Brownpants06]

I would have taken Morrison because of Redick's 3/18 choke

[LeftWideOpen]

I would have taken Morrison because of Redick's 3/18 choke

well then you'd be able to predict the future because these votes were cast before the NCAA Tournament began.

[weezer182]

Was there a little bias? maybe who knows?

[ThriftWhore]

Good for Redick, I would have had no problem seeing either him or Morrison win it.

[somethingyellow]

I'll be upset if Morrison doesnt win a share of the Naismith

[sweethypocrisy]

I would have taken Morrison because of Redick's 3/18 choke
yeah, because you arent biased at all.

[Vincewithouthee]

It really could've gone either way. I was hoping for a tie, but this is fine I guess. Congrats to JJ.

I still think (and pretty much everyone else) that Morrison's going to have a better NBA career for sure. He's just a better player overall.

[wessa]

It's not more impressive, without Williams Redick would NEVER have had the season he did. He would have surely faced more double teams and stiffer defenses without Sheldon drawing so much attention inside. Pounding the ball inside helped free up the perimeter. That's not even an argument.

Anyway, they both deserved it, I just think the vote was extremely generous in favor of the player from the East coast and the better team, which is fucking bs if you ask me.

you may have only watched the last few games of the season. there were plenty of games where williams was no where to be found and reddick carried the team. That being said, i still think it should have went to morrison, or at least made into a co-player of the year.

[somethingyellow]

I'd rather see Morrison win the Naismith anyways

[Johnny_G]

you may have only watched the last few games of the season. there were plenty of games where williams was no where to be found and reddick carried the team. That being said, i still think it should have went to morrison, or at least made into a co-player of the year.

That's amusing.

[ides of march]

2) What Reddick did was even more impressive because of Sheldon Williams. Having the load taken off his shoulders may have hurt his numbers. Morrison didn't have this problem.


JP Batista

[preppyak]

It really could've gone either way. I was hoping for a tie, but this is fine I guess. Congrats to JJ.

I still think (and pretty much everyone else) that Morrison's going to have a better NBA career for sure. He's just a better player overall.
yeah, I agree

JP Batista
not on Williams level. Batista was good, but he had so many nights where he didn't want to dominate like he should. He helped, but the Duke bench and supporting cast is superior to Gonzaga's.

Either way, it was a close race, the vote should have been closer though

[somethingyellow]

Why would having Sheldon Williams on your team help you win the award or make him look more impressive? If anything I think it makes him look not as impressive. You could say that he put up huge numbers with Williams there but if he didnt have a guy like Williams, I think defenses would focus even more on him and trying to shut him down which would hurt his numbers. Just my opinion

[preppyak]

Why would having Sheldon Williams on your team help you for winning the award? If anything I think it makes him look not as impressive well, having a solid inside presence would not allow the defense to step out as far/cover him with double teams.

But, if you watched a Duke game at all, he was always double teamed off any screen (and he made excellent passes out normally), he was shadowed on every offensive possession, and about 2/3 of his points came from his off ball running to get open, not from kick outs from McRoberts/Williams

I really think that neither made it clear they were the favorite.

Morrison ended the regular season better, but Reddick was very solid early on, I know in January 2/3 or more of us were on JJ's side to win it. Either one winning it suits me just fine

[somethingyellow]

well, having a solid inside presence would not allow the defense to step out as far/cover him with double teams.

But, if you watched a Duke game at all, he was always double teamed off any screen (and he made excellent passes out normally), he was shadowed on every offensive possession, and about 2/3 of his points came from his off ball running to get open, not from kick outs from McRoberts/Williams

I really think that neither made it clear they were the favorite.

Morrison ended the regular season better, but Reddick was very solid early on, I know in January 2/3 or more of us were on JJ's side to win it. Either one winning it suits me just fineI agree it was a close race and hard to choose, just dont agree with having sheldon williams on his team makes redick more impressive

[LeftWideOpen]

I agree it was a close race and hard to choose, just dont agree with having sheldon williams on his team makes redick more impressive

if you are referring to what i said, i was only playing devil's advocate to prove a point that you really can't make a case for either guy that separates them from the other. Saying JJ was better because he had Williams is just as problematic as what I countered with.