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[selftitled85]

can you post the article by peter gammons saying that mariano rivera has been the most dominant player of the past decade?

i would love to read it as i am a huge mo fan.

[LeftWideOpen]

there's a case to be made, as long as he isnt playing the sox. because, well, we know how much trouble he's had w/ them ...

[selftitled85]

there's a case to be made, as long as he isnt playing the sox. because, well, we know how much trouble he's had w/ them ...

that was one series.

he has had momentary lapses. twice against the sox. against the indians in 97 and the diamond backs in game 7 in 01.

but you also have to take in accont his 03 champ series. he pitched like 8 innings of relief with 3 alone in game 7 not allowing a run...i dont even think he allowed a hit.

or his longest post season streak without allowing a run.

also you need to take into account mo has a total of two pitches. TWO! yet no one seems to be able to figure it out...

[LeftWideOpen]

that was one series.

he has had momentary lapses. twice against the sox. against the indians in 97 and the diamond backs in game 7 in 01.

but you also have to take in accont his 03 champ series. he pitched like 8 innings of relief with 3 alone in game 7 not allowing a run...i dont even think he allowed a hit.

or his longest post season streak without allowing a run.

also you need to take into account mo has a total of two pitches. TWO! yet no one seems to be able to figure it out...

it's been more then one series, but i just being a jackass anyway. i think there is a case to be made that he has been the most dominant player of the past decade, but i don't know if he's the first name that comes to mind. I'd vote for Pedro Martinez, because he was also as unhittable as they come for a long, long time and he pitched more than an inning or two a game.

I don't even want to consider hitters for this question because all the dominant ones have basically been linked with steroids.

[ThriftWhore]

it's been more then one series, but i just being a jackass anyway. i think there is a case to be made that he has been the most dominant player of the past decade, but i don't know if he's the first name that comes to mind. I'd vote for Pedro Martinez, because he was also as unhittable as they come for a long, long time and he pitched more than an inning or two a game.

I don't even want to consider hitters for this question because all the dominant ones have basically been linked with steroids.
Relievers will never get their due because they only come in, and pitch to the latter half of the 9th inning.

I'll agree that Pedro was more dominant, for sure.

[justinevans]

Mariano is definitely the most dominant pitcher. For awhile, Pedro was dominant for half the season...Mo struggling against the sox? It was one series. And a few games here and there.

He is the best closer of this era and most dominant reliever. Next dominant...Roger Clemens, but he is not in baseball. Hitter - Pujols.

[afk999]

Best of the era? Try Riveraposted: Friday, March 31, 2006

So, if the George Mitchell commission truly does its due diligence, putting the entire steroids era -- from the late 1980s in Oakland to the Rangers and Phillies of the early '90s to the blotch that is the post-strike era to what owners knew what and when, and whether owners aren't more culpable than players -- in its proper perspective, it might take us long past the Barry Bonds run to Henry Aaron, and whatever that now means.

And if we put what was once sport's most sacred record in the same category as the NHL assist mark, so be it. The fact that Bonds (third), Sammy Sosa (fifth), Mark McGwire (seventh) and Rafael Palmeiro (ninth) are at the top of the career home run leaderboard at worst depreciates the era's home run record.


If Bonds gets to No. 756, the record is his. No asterisk, perhaps little or no glory. In the real world, the record will not be about the romance of the game or fathers playing catch with their sons. It will be about greed, avarice, the hundred-something million Bonds made and the millions upon millions he made for the Giants, which includes his lasting legacy -- the best stadium in sports, which he built. In time, his legacy may stabilize, but at the present he has fanned the hysterical flames of the angry white faction in a sport whose (amateur) infrastructure has essentially closed the doors to African-Americans.


One can forever argue Bonds' place in baseball history. Yes, for nine years (1990-98) he was the best player in the game. Period. In an era when hundreds of hitters and pitchers were juiced, he was the best player.


But the public may never accept that, which raises the question: Who was the dominant figure of this era? Cases can be made for Roger Clemens and Greg Maddux (with Pedro Martinez not far behind), who in the five-man rotation, offensive era will be seventh and 10th all-time in wins -- presuming Maddux wins 12 more games.


Or one can make the argument for the most important Yankee of this glorious decade of four world championships, six pennants and nine first-place finishes, Mariano Rivera. In what is too often a slothful sports world, Rivera is the essence of elegance, like Sandy Koufax. He is always accountable. Modest. And, most of all, the model of reliability in a position that is the most difficult in terms of remaining reliable.


There is no question Rivera is the greatest reliever in the history of the sport, and what makes his 10-year record even greater is that, beginning as a rookie in 1995, he has pitched in 11 consecutive Octobers. Considering the most intense six-out work is always in September and October, to do what he has done is even more remarkable. In 1996, he was arguably the MVP setting up John Wetteland -- 107 2/3 IP, 73 H, 34 BB, 130 K. In the last nine seasons he has 374 saves. His postseason ERA is 0.81. 0.81.


Consider the volatility of the closer role. At this time last year, the White Sox had no idea Bobby Jenks would close out three October series and they have no idea today what he'll do this season. Eric Gagne became a dominant figure overnight, but the Dodgers don't know he'll be that good again.


Other than Rivera, how many closers are considered lockdowns for 2006? Frankie Rodriguez in Anaheim, Huston Street in Oakland, Brian Fuentes in Colorado, Trevor Hoffman in San Diego, Francisco Cordero in Texas, Brad Lidge in Houston, Joe Nathan in Minnesota, Billy Wagner in Queens, Jason Isringhausen in St. Louis and Chad Cordero in Washington.


And, in reality, the only guarantee for that group of 11 is that at least two will break down during the season. Check Wagner's finger.


Ryan Dempster has a great makeup and was dominant for the Cubs last season, but a sure thing? Jenks, Keith Foulke, Everyday Eddie Guardado, Armando Benitez, B.J. Ryan, Tom Gordon, Todd Jones, Derrick Turnbow and Bob Wickman sure things?


Most people in baseball think Arizona's Jose Valverde and Pittsburgh's Mike Gonzalez can be outstanding closers.


The Braves may have a 40-save closer in Oscar Villarreal, but they don't know. Ditto Chris Ray in Baltimore. Kansas City, Cincinnati, Florida and Tampa Bay will be works in progress.


Rivera is the definition of reliability in an unreliable role, the model of stability in a volatile era, the picture of modest distinction in an exhibitionist era and the most important player on the dominant team of the era.


He, not Bonds or any other slugger, deserves serious consideration as the poster boy of this era.

[Doug]

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