warped tour & electro-pop & shutter-shades

[87pikachu]

maybe im a little older than most of the kids who buy music nowadays, but when I was 17 we just wore medium grey, black, and navy t-shirts, sweaters, boat shoes or vans and corduroy/khaki pants

now you kids love neon t-shirts, electro-pop, spandex denim and shutter shades. Its disgusting and you've ruined the VANS warped tour.
are you all on meth?

what a shame...

[deFobbed14yrs]

there have been many a discussion on this..

[Jumpoff]

Damn kids just don't understand how different it was back in the day.

[bailmeout13]

I am not sure what to make of this thread.

[Srsly]

maybe im a little older than most of the kids who buy music nowadays, but when I was 17 we just wore medium grey, black, and navy t-shirts, sweaters, boat shoes or vans and corduroy/khaki pants
Shit! I dress like old people.

[cowlord]

PS times change. By no means am I defending the trend but what the scene of music style will always change. I'm sure when these kids are 22 they'll say that the way the kids at warped dress is stupid too.

[kbi the crowing]

maybe im a little older than most of the kids who buy music nowadays, but when I was 17 we just wore medium grey, black, and navy t-shirts, sweaters, boat shoes or vans and corduroy/khaki pants

now you kids love neon t-shirts, electro-pop, spandex denim and shutter shades. Its disgusting and you've ruined the VANS warped tour.
are you all on meth?

what a shame...

shit changes
you don't have to go along with the trend
/allthreadslikethis

[87pikachu]

im not trying to complain too hard. its just that the bands that I listen to on the vans warped tour werent well received & and it just seems that what was once a punk-rock-piss-yourself festival, has become an electro-pop-sea-of-neon-vomit festival. but all-around pop/trendy music fest.

thank god the get up kids are reunited.

[Shattered Glass]

i didn't see anything like that at warped

[AndrewIcex]

You're 22 and have Pikachu as your avatar... just sayin'.

[deFobbed14yrs]

hahah

[kbi the crowing]

im not trying to complain too hard. its just that the bands that I listen to on the vans warped tour werent well received & and it just seems that what was once a punk-rock-piss-yourself festival, has become an electro-pop-sea-of-neon-vomit festival. but all-around pop/trendy music fest.

thank god the get up kids are reunited.

Warped tour hasn't been that in a while
small venue shows all the way

[Robototron]

maybe im a little older than most of the kids who buy music nowadays, but when I was 17 we just wore medium grey, black, and navy t-shirts, sweaters, boat shoes or vans and corduroy/khaki pants

now you kids love neon t-shirts, electro-pop, spandex denim and shutter shades. Its disgusting and you've ruined the VANS warped tour.
are you all on meth?

what a shame...

I think sweaters, boat shoes, and khaki pants makes you a bigger asshole than anything these faux-raver kiddies are wearing. That isn't even punk rock.

[alis21]

You're 22 and have Pikachu as your avatar... just sayin'.

pokemon is timeless maan
so is megaman

[AndrewIcex]

pokemon is timeless maan
so is megaman
Of course it is... and every other 90's early 2000's thing... but the point was that he is complaining about these so called "scene kids" or whatever... and I am pretty sure Pikachu is like one of the many focuses of "scene kids" or whatever they call themselves.

I am not the one complaining about them, quite frankly times changing is just natural.

[87pikachu]

jS-UvNZYkQU

[Robototron]

Didn't Hot Topic sell an all over print Pokemon hoodie or something? I think someone on here said they bought it.

[AndrewIcex]

Didn't Hot Topic sell an all over print Pokemon hoodie or something? I think someone on here said they bought it.
Something like that... and I am sure scene kids ate that shit up like fruit mentos.

[87pikachu]

:-p

[alis21]

Of course it is... and every other 90's early 2000's thing... but the point was that he is complaining about these so called "scene kids" or whatever... and I am pretty sure Pikachu is like one of the many focuses of "scene kids" or whatever they call themselves.

I am not the one complaining about them, quite frankly times changing is just natural.

yeah i agree
a lot of people my age really annoy me but i wouldn't go out of my way to hate on them

[IamTheINDUSTRY]

maybe im a little older than most of the kids who buy music nowadays, but when I was 17 we just wore medium grey, black, and navy t-shirts, sweaters, boat shoes or vans and corduroy/khaki pants

now you kids love neon t-shirts, electro-pop, spandex denim and shutter shades. Its disgusting and you've ruined the VANS warped tour.
are you all on meth?

what a shame...

kevin lyman ruined warped tour.

[HometownHero]

i didn't see anything like that at warped
Its probably because you are just like that and are blinded by your own neon. And your friends neon. Or the neon hair of Jefree Star

[summer skin]

maybe im a little older than most of the kids who buy music nowadays, but when I was 17 we just wore medium grey, black, and navy t-shirts, sweaters, boat shoes or vans and corduroy/khaki pants

now you kids love neon t-shirts, electro-pop, spandex denim and shutter shades. Its disgusting and you've ruined the VANS warped tour.
are you all on meth?

what a shame...
THE WAY PEOPLE DRESS RUINS STUFF FOR ME BECAUSE I'M A BIG FUCKING IDIOT.

[saveferris]

I feel kind of old now considering i'm using the phrase "you kids" all the time now. I used to rock the hurley t shirt, dickies shorts and puma's or vans back then.

[saveferris]

Come to think of it I still do wear some of that stuff. I wear skinny jeans and stuff but I wouldn't be caught dead in anything neon or overly tight

[summer skin]

BAW BAW I'M OLD AND DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TRENDS WORK BAW BAW BAW
x




that's you.

[Broclee]

You're 22. I think the rest is self-explanatory.

[caveBEAR]

I like how people try to act like wearing black band shirts, khaki pants and Converse back in the day (just like everyone did) is somehow holier than the kids now all wearing the same outfits as each other. It's what kids do, they find someone elses image to define their own individuality, and for the average 15 year old, if you don't want to be one of those fucking Hot Topic goths or a loser...you dress the way that all the 'cool' kids do.

Don't try to act like we didn't do the same thing when we were 15. Sure, 'punk rock' or what-have-you wasn't as 'cool' and 'trendy' as it is now, but we still tried to dress like the people we saw in bands and in our scene who we thought were cool. We thought the Bouncing Souls were cool when we were 15, 15 year olds now think that Cobra Starship is cool, therefore the neon makes sense to me. It's also the same as all the kids who dressed like hardcore bands, emo bands (of the 90's), rappers, emo bands (of the 00's), blink-182, Green Day, MCR, blah blah blah blah blah. It goes on and on, and will forever go on.



Oh, and Kevin Lyman founded Warped Tour, so he can pretty much do whatever he pleases with it. Don't like it, start your own. Then, a couple years down the line, when you would like to keep the funding for your project going, and maybe even be able to afford a house (maybe even a nice one, I mean, shit, you bust your ass for that summer festival), you may go for some corporate sponsorships or bring in the trendy bands.

Or maybe you'll keep it punk and spend all summer helping smaller upstart bands and getting established acts not on Warped to come to your local venue, keeping them going.

[summer skin]

I like how people try to act like wearing black band shirts, khaki pants and Converse back in the day (just like everyone did) is somehow holier than the kids now all wearing the same outfits as each other. It's what kids do, they find someone elses image to define their own individuality, and for the average 15 year old, if you don't want to be one of those fucking Hot Topic goths or a loser...you dress the way that all the 'cool' kids do.

Don't try to act like we didn't do the same thing when we were 15. Sure, 'punk rock' or what-have-you wasn't as 'cool' and 'trendy' as it is now, but we still tried to dress like the people we saw in bands and in our scene who we thought were cool. We thought the Bouncing Souls were cool when we were 15, 15 year olds now think that Cobra Starship is cool, therefore the neon makes sense to me. It's also the same as all the kids who dressed like hardcore bands, emo bands (of the 90's), rappers, emo bands (of the 00's), blink-182, Green Day, MCR, blah blah blah blah blah. It goes on and on, and will forever go on.



Oh, and Kevin Lyman founded Warped Tour, so he can pretty much do whatever he pleases with it. Don't like it, start your own. Then, a couple years down the line, when you would like to keep the funding for your project going, and maybe even be able to afford a house (maybe even a nice one, I mean, shit, you bust your ass for that summer festival), you may go for some corporate sponsorships or bring in the trendy bands.

Or maybe you'll keep it punk and spend all summer helping smaller upstart bands and getting established acts not on Warped to come to your local venue, keeping them going.
pwn

[fly_guy]

Some of the stuff out is horrible, yes. Well, most of it. The kids that buy into it will learn!

[fly_guy]

pwn

Jeff sighting?!

[summer skin]

Jeff sighting?!
I've been back..they're not sightings anymore.

[fly_guy]

I've been back..they're not sightings anymore.

How long have you been unbanned?

[smelltheglove]

i'm 29 and hadn't been to Warped since 2006...all I have to say is...the kids today...wow...do they/you realize that 1990 called and wants it's neon back? I feel like every 15 year old is taking their fashion queues from the movie Encino Man or Can't Buy Me Love. I just think it's funny. harmless and hilarious. you guys are lacking snap bracelets though. you need to bring those back too.

and guys, please stop wearing capri's. that goes for bands like hit the lights too. those guys are my age and should know better than to hop on the trendwagon.

[smelltheglove]

when i was 16 it was all about baggy JNCO's, wallet chains, aliens (anything with aliens was cool...Men In Black, Independence Day, t-shirts with Aliens), Airwalk shoes and bleached spiked hair. and ball-chain necklaces. way cooler than girl jeans, oversized hi-tops and neon shades, but who am i to judge?

[summer skin]

when i was 16 it was all about baggy JNCO's, wallet chains, aliens (anything with aliens was cool...Men In Black, Independence Day, t-shirts with Aliens), Airwalk shoes and bleached spiked hair. and ball-chain necklaces. way cooler than girl jeans, oversized hi-tops and neon shades, but who am i to judge?
how much did you love icp?

[AndrewIcex]

yeah i agree
a lot of people my age really annoy me but i wouldn't go out of my way to hate on them
Yup, I hear ya.

[MattADALIE]

Being at two Warped Tour dates in July, I can relate. There's still a handful of great bands out there, but, these phases come and go. The way I see it, it's a bastardization of the hair and glam metal scenes from the 1980's. I can even throw in new wave into the mix. But, then again, I don't see a lot of these neon, dance, or crunkcore bands playing their own instruments. It's a lot easier to just throw a musical act together and go for it, especially due to the internet being a fantastic way to network music to thousands of people. Unfortunately, "artists" that don't necessarily deserve careers are right in the mix these days. Hopefully, this will all pass.

[87pikachu]

yeah exactly MattADALIE. i keep seeing bands with keyboard players that are doing nada. Using backtracks is kinda shitty, but you better be really good if youre doing so... which they are not. for example watch the cobra starship performance on conan. unforgivable

[caveBEAR]

when i was 16 it was all about baggy JNCO's, wallet chains, aliens (anything with aliens was cool...Men In Black, Independence Day, t-shirts with Aliens), Airwalk shoes and bleached spiked hair. and ball-chain necklaces. way cooler than girl jeans, oversized hi-tops and neon shades, but who am i to judge?

Yeah, I'm gonna vote for girl jeans, oversized hi-tops and neon shades being cooler than anything you mentioned. JNCO's? Seriously?

[Metal Now]

im not trying to complain too hard. its just that the bands that I listen to on the vans warped tour werent well received & and it just seems that what was once a punk-rock-piss-yourself festival, has become an electro-pop-sea-of-neon-vomit festival. but all-around pop/trendy music fest.

thank god the get up kids are reunited.

This.

[thespearkid]

this thread is punk as fuck.

[87pikachu]

UQ7SOFxLT0Y

this is what itll all become one day

[x togepi x]

i went to warped back when it was supposedly cool and good.


it was lame as fuck

why are you complaining about a once lame tour being still lame?

[iheartmusic043]

I think punk is being who you want/ dressing however you want, regardless of what other people say and I hate "neon" people. Also, the people who are dressing like the aforementioned people at warped tour are probably dressing like this because a.) they want attention, no matter if it's good or bad, b.) they follow any trend that is popular, and c.) they are brainwashed and have no lives.

[kearn1tm]

maybe im a little older than most of the kids who buy music nowadays, but when I was 17 we just wore medium grey, black, and navy t-shirts, sweaters, boat shoes or vans and corduroy/khaki pants

now you kids love neon t-shirts, electro-pop, spandex denim and shutter shades. Its disgusting and you've ruined the VANS warped tour.
are you all on meth?

what a shame...

You know what's always in style? Co-opting relics of the '90s for ironic purposes (as in pokemon in an avatar). These kids nowadays, they're going to be, pssh, like, abducting stuff from the early '00s when they learn how rad this sardonic pop-culture wit is. They'll have that Chocolate Rain guy and the phrase "don't tase me bro" and you can be all "We had pokemon and 'keepin' it fresh,' the kids nowadays have stupid internet memes and Invader Zim. Irony is dead."

What I'm trying to say is, you're a tool.

[87pikachu]

I like how my criticism about a trend in music & fashion became a personal attack on my avatar and nickname. ive used pikachu as a screen name/ net-handle since i was like 11 yrs old.

to personally attack me for my opinion on clothing is just silly.

[smelltheglove]

how much did you love icp?

ohhhhhh shit! called out! alright...yea, it happened. I went to two ICP shows and owned like all their albums (at least the one's they put out in the 90's). You're gonna have to believe me when I say that this was acceptable and even "cool" in 1998. By 2000 I was 20 years old and completely over those guys and the fad had passed but yea...i rocked the facepaint and went to 2 of their shows and all my friends dug them too...and we had girlfriends...it wasn't lame at the time....just like 10 years from now the highschool kids are going to have to justify the whole neon crunkcore thing as being "cool" as hard as it will be to believe in 2019 (which will likely be about the time that grunge will get a second wind and the kids will all be rocking flannels and doc martins again)

there, i came clean. thanks for calling me out on it, that was good. i'm still allowed to give the kids shit about this neon thing though. this is just as bad as ICP.

[smelltheglove]

Yeah, I'm gonna vote for girl jeans, oversized hi-tops and neon shades being cooler than anything you mentioned. JNCO's? Seriously?

ok, here was the main stage lineup of my first warped tour (1997)

Blink 182
Pennywise
Reel Big Fish
Social Distortion
Mighty Mighty Bosstones
Hepcat
Lagwagon
Snapcase
Sick of it All
Bouncing Souls
Less Than Jake
Suicide Machines

I saw Alkaline Trio, Saves the Day and New Found Glory on the same bill for $8 in 2000...i saw 5 Midtown shows...I saw TBS with their original lineup...I saw Thursday play a basement show...I saw Brand New when they were still touring on Your Favorite Weapon...I saw the Get Up Kids when they were touring on "something to write home about"

still think your 3OH!3, jeffree star, millionaires, brokencyde, devil wears cookie monster voice bullshit neon crunkcore fake bands with no talent (but at least they guys wear capris) era is cooler? You got nothing!

edit: or are you just suggesting the fashion trends of the current era is cooler? either way, I think you're wrong. the "skate-punk" look popularized by bands like BLink182 in the late 90's was better than this whole neon girl jeans thing, and the actual bands of the late 90's/early 2000's punk scene were better too.

i mean the bands were clearly better. who are the most popular and respected bands in the scene today? the same one's that were most popular and respected 6-10 years ago. Blink 182, Brand New, Thrice, Thursday, NFG, Saves the Day, Jimmy Eat World, TBS, GUK etc. These are all bands in their late 20's or 30's. these are all bands from the '98-'02 era of punk & emo.

[smelltheglove]

i went to warped back when it was supposedly cool and good.


it was lame as fuck

why are you complaining about a once lame tour being still lame?

warped tour was awesome from '95-2000. when you were 9 years old to 14 years old. you weren't there, so you have no idea. Warped Tour was once cool and good. you were just too young to know.

[fadedmemories]

I like how people try to act like wearing black band shirts, khaki pants and Converse back in the day (just like everyone did) is somehow holier than the kids now all wearing the same outfits as each other. It's what kids do, they find someone elses image to define their own individuality, and for the average 15 year old, if you don't want to be one of those fucking Hot Topic goths or a loser...you dress the way that all the 'cool' kids do.

Don't try to act like we didn't do the same thing when we were 15. Sure, 'punk rock' or what-have-you wasn't as 'cool' and 'trendy' as it is now, but we still tried to dress like the people we saw in bands and in our scene who we thought were cool. We thought the Bouncing Souls were cool when we were 15, 15 year olds now think that Cobra Starship is cool, therefore the neon makes sense to me. It's also the same as all the kids who dressed like hardcore bands, emo bands (of the 90's), rappers, emo bands (of the 00's), blink-182, Green Day, MCR, blah blah blah blah blah. It goes on and on, and will forever go on.



Oh, and Kevin Lyman founded Warped Tour, so he can pretty much do whatever he pleases with it. Don't like it, start your own. Then, a couple years down the line, when you would like to keep the funding for your project going, and maybe even be able to afford a house (maybe even a nice one, I mean, shit, you bust your ass for that summer festival), you may go for some corporate sponsorships or bring in the trendy bands.

Or maybe you'll keep it punk and spend all summer helping smaller upstart bands and getting established acts not on Warped to come to your local venue, keeping them going.
This post basically sums everything up.

[caveBEAR]

ok, here was the main stage lineup of my first warped tour (1997)

Blink 182
Pennywise
Reel Big Fish
Social Distortion
Mighty Mighty Bosstones
Hepcat
Lagwagon
Snapcase
Sick of it All
Bouncing Souls
Less Than Jake
Suicide Machines

I saw Alkaline Trio, Saves the Day and New Found Glory on the same bill for $8 in 2000...i saw 5 Midtown shows...I saw TBS with their original lineup...I saw Thursday play a basement show...I saw Brand New when they were still touring on Your Favorite Weapon...I saw the Get Up Kids when they were touring on "something to write home about"

still think your 3OH!3, jeffree star, millionaires, brokencyde, devil wears cookie monster voice bullshit neon crunkcore fake bands with no talent (but at least they guys wear capris) era is cooler? You got nothing!

edit: or are you just suggesting the fashion trends of the current era is cooler? either way, I think you're wrong. the "skate-punk" look popularized by bands like BLink182 in the late 90's was better than this whole neon girl jeans thing, and the actual bands of the late 90's/early 2000's punk scene were better too.

i mean the bands were clearly better. who are the most popular and respected bands in the scene today? the same one's that were most popular and respected 6-10 years ago. Blink 182, Brand New, Thrice, Thursday, NFG, Saves the Day, Jimmy Eat World, TBS, GUK etc. These are all bands in their late 20's or 30's. these are all bands from the '98-'02 era of punk & emo.

I think neither is cooler. I think people who bitch and moan about neon have nothing more important to think about, and their minds can't get passed "ARRRGGHHH BRIGT COLORZ!!11" so they freak out about it and call it the death of punk, when people have been calling punk's time of death for decades.

[Jumpoff]

ok, here was the main stage lineup of my first warped tour (1997)

Blink 182
Pennywise
Reel Big Fish
Social Distortion
Mighty Mighty Bosstones
Hepcat
Lagwagon
Snapcase
Sick of it All
Bouncing Souls
Less Than Jake
Suicide Machines


But at least half of those bands suck and three of them still play warped pretty often :shrug:

[caveBEAR]

But at least half of those bands suck and three of them still play warped pretty often :shrug:

Half those bands suck? You better watch your tongue, my good sir.

[smelltheglove]

I think neither is cooler. I think people who bitch and moan about neon have nothing more important to think about, and their minds can't get passed "ARRRGGHHH BRIGT COLORZ!!11" so they freak out about it and call it the death of punk, when people have been calling punk's time of death for decades.

ok, well you just contradicted yourself because your statement to me was "Yeah, I'm gonna vote for girl jeans, oversized hi-tops and neon shades being cooler than anything you mentioned"

so now i'm confused...you said you do think the neon trend is cooler, now you say neither is cooler. that's fine by me.

I don't bitch and moan about it, i previously stated that it is harmless and humorous. I didn't say anything to the effect of what you suggest above, like neon colors being the death of punk.

i personally don't know of any punk bands associated with this fashion style anyway, or has the definition of punk become so loose that Cobra Starship and Dance Party 5 or whatever are considered punk rock bands? The only newer punk bands I know of are bands like Dead to Me, Loved Ones, Gaslight Anthem, etc., and none of these bands are evenly remotely associated with the "neon scene" bands.

[smelltheglove]

Half those bands suck? You better watch your tongue, my good sir.

thanks. he is clearly retarded with a statement like that.

[smelltheglove]

But at least half of those bands suck and three of them still play warped pretty often :shrug:

while the first half of your statement is the kind of rediculous shit I'd expect out of someone who isn't old enough yet to have developed respectable taste in music, I would like to point out that while yes, bands like the Bouncing Souls, LTJ, Blink182, etc. still play Warped, the difference is, in the late 90's, these bands were hungry and in their prime.

There is a big difference between seeing Blink 182 in 1997 than seeing them now. There is a big difference between the early 20's versions of RBF, LTJ, Bouncing Souls, etc., than there is now seeing them 30's & 40's versions of these bands.

They're all still good, but seeing them back then was to see them at their peak, in their prime, before most of them were big, when most of them were hungry and killing it.

i wish you guys could have been there, because the young bands of today totally lack the drive that these bands have.

and that's why these bands are still around; staying power. I think most of the young bands in today's scene will be long-forgotten and broken up in 10 years and will lack that staying power, but only time will tell and this is all jsut my opinion that i've formed after hanging around the punk/emo scene for about 15 years now.

[un.Starálfur]

when i was 16 it was all about baggy JNCO's, wallet chains, aliens (anything with aliens was cool...Men In Black, Independence Day, t-shirts with Aliens), Airwalk shoes and bleached spiked hair. and ball-chain necklaces. way cooler than girl jeans, oversized hi-tops and neon shades, but who am i to judge?

JNCO's lol .... Didn't JNCO's have a Alien Logo on them?

Edit: NO Alien's! Must of been something else

[Jumpoff]

People are making fun of my taste while still listening to shitty pop rock from the 90s. Mind = blown.

Blink 182
Pennywise
Reel Big Fish
Social Distortion
Mighty Mighty Bosstones
Hepcat
Lagwagon
Snapcase
Sick of it All
Bouncing Souls
Less Than Jake
Suicide Machines

Bolded = shitty. Especially Pennywise.

[smelltheglove]

People are making fun of my taste while still listening to shitty pop rock from the 90s. Mind blown.

Blink 182
Pennywise
Reel Big Fish
Social Distortion
Mighty Mighty Bosstones
Hepcat
Lagwagon
Snapcase
Sick of it All
Bouncing Souls
Less Than Jake
Suicide Machines

Bolded = shitty.

A kid is talking shit on my taste while he isn't even old enough to set foot in a bar, probably can't drive a car, hasn't ever had a serious relationship, has never paid a bill and doens't have any level of education beyond highschool. mind blown.

[smelltheglove]

JNCO's lol .... Didn't JNCO's have a Alien Logo on them?

Edit: NO Alien's! Must of been something else

dude, everything had an alien logo on it back then lol

[caveBEAR]

ok, well you just contradicted yourself because your statement to me was "Yeah, I'm gonna vote for girl jeans, oversized hi-tops and neon shades being cooler than anything you mentioned"

so now i'm confused...you said you do think the neon trend is cooler, now you say neither is cooler. that's fine by me.

I don't bitch and moan about it, i previously stated that it is harmless and humorous. I didn't say anything to the effect of what you suggest above, like neon colors being the death of punk.

i personally don't know of any punk bands associated with this fashion style anyway, or has the definition of punk become so loose that Cobra Starship and Dance Party 5 or whatever are considered punk rock bands? The only newer punk bands I know of are bands like Dead to Me, Loved Ones, Gaslight Anthem, etc., and none of these bands are evenly remotely associated with the "neon scene" bands.

Ooooh-kay. I hate when I have to explain these things out. When I said 'Yeah, I'm gonna vote for girl jeans, oversized hi-tops and neon shades being cooler than anything you mentioned ', I was saying that I felt the waves of neon and girl jeans were cooler than JNCO's and alien shirts, which is about the same as saying 'Well, I'd much rather have a dick shoved in my ear than in my mouth'. I don't really want a dick in my ear, but if it's that or a schlong in my mouth, well, I'll choose the latter.

You strike a good point here, though. It seems that I never hear the kids who listen to these bands calling the bands 'punk', it just seems to be the angry, jaded punks assuming they do because theses kids talk about it on ap.net or these bands are on Warped Tour. (I'm not refering to you, just to people who act like this.) I think the old guys forget that one of the original Warped Tours featured Limp Bizkit. Just because Lyman wants you to draw in kids, definitely doesn't make you punk, or mean that the band wants to be considered 'punk'. I'm sure a lot of these pretty boy-new age glam rock bands (White Tie Affair) would shit their pants in shame if someone called them something as grungy as 'punk'.

[Jumpoff]

A kid is talking shit on my taste while he isn't even old enough to set foot in a bar, probably can't drive a car, hasn't ever had a serious relationship, has never paid a bill and doens't have any level of education beyond highschool. mind blown.

Got em.

I hope when I'm as mature as you I'll start to understand how amazing Pennywise is. Until then I'll bask in my ignorance.

[un.Starálfur]

People are making fun of my taste while still listening to shitty pop rock from the 90s. Mind = blown.

Blink 182
Pennywise
Reel Big Fish
Social Distortion
Mighty Mighty Bosstones
Hepcat
Lagwagon
Snapcase
Sick of it All
Bouncing Souls
Less Than Jake
Suicide Machines

Bolded = shitty. Especially Pennywise.

Obviously your Mommy was still walking you to the bus stop everday before listening to music for you was cool.

[kearn1tm]

I like how my criticism about a trend in music & fashion became a personal attack on my avatar and nickname. ive used pikachu as a screen name/ net-handle since i was like 11 yrs old.

to personally attack me for my opinion on clothing is just silly.

Personally attacking you? You sound like a tool, therefor, I call you a tool. Cranky and toolish.

[smelltheglove]

Ooooh-kay. I hate when I have to explain these things out. When I said 'Yeah, I'm gonna vote for girl jeans, oversized hi-tops and neon shades being cooler than anything you mentioned ', I was saying that I felt the waves of neon and girl jeans were cooler than JNCO's and alien shirts, which is about the same as saying 'Well, I'd much rather have a dick shoved in my ear than in my mouth'. I don't really want a dick in my ear, but if it's that or a schlong in my mouth, well, I'll choose the latter.

You strike a good point here, though. It seems that I never hear the kids who listen to these bands calling the bands 'punk', it just seems to be the angry, jaded punks assuming they do because theses kids talk about it on ap.net or these bands are on Warped Tour. (I'm not refering to you, just to people who act like this.) I think the old guys forget that one of the original Warped Tours featured Limp Bizkit. Just because Lyman wants you to draw in kids, definitely doesn't make you punk, or mean that the band wants to be considered 'punk'. I'm sure a lot of these pretty boy-new age glam rock bands (White Tie Affair) would shit their pants in shame if someone called them something as grungy as 'punk'.

...i conveniently left Limp Bizkit off that Warped Tour '97 mainstage lineup lol.

yea, i've never related to the "punk philosophy" or whatever, it's exclusionary and douchey. i just like the music.

[caveBEAR]

People are making fun of my taste while still listening to shitty pop rock from the 90s. Mind = blown.

Blink 182
Pennywise
Reel Big Fish
Social Distortion
Mighty Mighty Bosstones
Hepcat
Lagwagon
Snapcase
Sick of it All
Bouncing Souls
Less Than Jake
Suicide Machines

Bolded = shitty. Especially Pennywise.

Excuse me? Reel Big Fish? Mighty Mighty Bosstones? Social Distortion? Oh yeah, one of the founding bands of punk rock is shitty pop rock. You have got to be kidding me. Let's at least see a top 10 of bands you do like so I know where you're coming from.

A kid is talking shit on my taste while he isn't even old enough to set foot in a bar, probably can't drive a car, hasn't ever had a serious relationship, has never paid a bill and doens't have any level of education beyond highschool. mind blown.

Yeah, all those things you mentioned have nothing to do with musical taste. You might as well start saying things like 'probably never even had his own pet'. Age has nothing to do with shitty musical taste, even though they do go hand in hand most times.

[Jumpoff]

Obviously your Mommy was still walking you to the bus stop everday before listening to music for you was cool.

Obviously if your mommy had walked you to the bus stop more often, you would be able to insult me without making no fucking sense at all.

[Jumpoff]

Excuse me? Reel Big Fish? Mighty Mighty Bosstones? Social Distortion? Oh yeah, one of the founding bands of punk rock is shitty pop rock. You have got to be kidding me. Let's at least see a top 10 of bands you do like so I know where you're coming from.

Just look in my profile man. I don't think I have it set to private? Or in your "favorite albums" thread.. I think I made a post there. Or can check my last.fm (last.fm/user/ABWB). I honestly didn't mean that all of those were pop rock, smelltheglove just likes shitty pop rock. Like Midtown.

I dont really have a problem with Social D. They just aren't very good IMO.

[smelltheglove]

Got em.

I hope when I'm as mature as you I'll start to understand how amazing Pennywise is. Until then I'll bask in my ignorance.

I don't think Pennywise is amazing. but, they were a pioneer of the skate-punk sound though, along with NOFX and Bad Religion, and were instrumental in making that style popular in the 90's and helping Warped Tour develop into what it is today. You can still hear their influence today in bands like Set Your Goals.

Like them or not, they have cemented their reputation and have maintained a solid following for nearly 20 years now. They've put out 9 full length albums and have survived many changing trends in punk music.

I would hope you could at least respect that sort of accomplishment, but being that you're so young you've barely even begun to experience real life, you probably can't.

[caveBEAR]

Just look in my profile man. I don't think I have it set to private? Or in your "favorite albums" thread.. I think I made a post there.

Have you even listened to any of the bands you listed extensively? Because your list of bands includes Broadway Calls, so calling out bands on being pop rock is kind of confusing me here...

[smelltheglove]

Just look in my profile man. I don't think I have it set to private? Or in your "favorite albums" thread.. I think I made a post there. Or can check my last.fm (http://last.fm/user/ABWB). I honestly didn't mean that all of those were pop rock, smelltheglove just likes shitty pop rock. Like Midtown.

I dont really have a problem with Social D. They just aren't very good IMO.

i'd appreciate that you don't make assumptions about what kind of music I listen to

[Jumpoff]

I don't think Pennywise is amazing. but, they were a pioneer of the skate-punk sound though, along with NOFX and Bad Religion, and were instrumental in making that style popular in the 90's and helping Warped Tour develop into what it is today. You can still hear their influence today in bands like Set Your Goals.

Like them or not, they have cemented their reputation and have maintained a solid following for nearly 20 years now. They've put out 9 full length albums and have survived many changing trends in punk music.

I would hope you could at least respect that sort of accomplishment, but being that you're so young you've barely even begun to experience real life, you probably can't.

Set Your Goals is terrible too though. Since when does being influential make a band automatically enjoyable? Am I missing something? :-|

Have you even listened to any of the bands you listed extensively? Because your list of bands includes Broadway Calls, so calling out bands on being pop rock is kind of confusing me here...

I have no problem with pop rock as a genre. Just the shittier bands in the genre.

[smelltheglove]

Just look in my profile man. I don't think I have it set to private? Or in your "favorite albums" thread.. I think I made a post there. Or can check my last.fm (http://last.fm/user/ABWB). I honestly didn't mean that all of those were pop rock, smelltheglove just likes shitty pop rock. Like Midtown.

I dont really have a problem with Social D. They just aren't very good IMO.

ironically you actually listen to good music. don't be such a dick about the stuff you don't like though.

[caveBEAR]

Just look in my profile man. I don't think I have it set to private? Or in your "favorite albums" thread.. I think I made a post there. Or can check my last.fm (http://last.fm/user/ABWB). I honestly didn't mean that all of those were pop rock, smelltheglove just likes shitty pop rock. Like Midtown.

I dont really have a problem with Social D. They just aren't very good IMO.

Have you even heard Forget What You Know?

[Jumpoff]

i'd appreciate that you don't make assumptions about what kind of music I listen to

No assumptions were made, I just looked at your post and your profile.... not like I pulled this shit out of the air and pretended you liked these bands.

[Jumpoff]

Have you even heard Forget What You Know?

Yeah. And I truly dislike that band's music. Same with Saves the Day though, and I get shit for that all the time.

[smelltheglove]

No assumptions were made, I just looked at your post and your profile.... not like I pulled this shit out of the air and pretended you liked these bands.

Ok, i'll concede, we both like on really shitty pop rock band. Dillinger 4.

[Jumpoff]

ironically you actually listen to good music. don't be such a dick about the stuff you don't like though.

I wasn't going to be a dick buttttt you seemed like you were acting like you were holier than thou because you were able to go to the early warped tours.

[caveBEAR]

Yeah. And I truly dislike that band's music. Same with Saves the Day though, and I get shit for that all the time.

That's cool and all that you don't like Midtown or Saves the Day, but to lightly brush them off as 'shitty pop rock' is ridiculous.

[Jumpoff]

Ok, i'll concede, we both like on really shitty pop rock band. Dillinger 4.

If a shitty pop rock band happens to come from Minnesota it doesn't count, obviously.

[smelltheglove]

Yeah. And I truly dislike that band's music. Same with Saves the Day though, and I get shit for that all the time.

I'm not a big Midtown fan. I just threw out there in my one post that I saw them 5 times back in the day. their shows were $5 and i liked them then, but Gabe has since ruined my opinion of him and Midtown that i can't even listen to their shit anymore.

STD is awesome, but not for everyone I guess.

You like Bob Marley so you're ok in my book.

[smelltheglove]

I wasn't going to be a dick buttttt you seemed like you were acting like you were holier than thou because you were able to go to the early warped tours.

it didn't seem that way, i was indeed acting holier than thou because i was able to go to early warped tours and saw Brand New in 2002 blah blah. i'm old dude. that's what we do, talk about how much better things used to be and give young people shit.

[caveBEAR]

it didn't seem that way, i was indeed acting holier than thou because i was able to go to early warped tours and saw Brand New in 2002 blah blah. i'm old dude. that's what we do, talk about how much better things used to be and give young people shit.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

[Jumpoff]

it didn't seem that way, i was indeed acting holier than thou because i was able to go to early warped tours and saw Brand New in 2002 blah blah. i'm old dude. that's what we do, talk about how much better things used to be and give young people shit.

Hahahhaha.

I'm not a big Midtown fan. I just threw out there in my one post that I saw them 5 times back in the day. their shows were $5 and i liked them then, but Gabe has since ruined my opinion of him and Midtown that i can't even listen to their shit anymore.

STD is awesome, but not for everyone I guess.

You like Bob Marley so you're ok in my book.

Can't hate American Beauty fans.

[x togepi x]

warped tour was awesome from '95-2000. when you were 9 years old to 14 years old. you weren't there, so you have no idea. Warped Tour was once cool and good. you were just too young to know.

weird, my aunt took me in 2000.

[Dymytry Vance]

I like how my criticism about a trend in music & fashion became a personal attack on my avatar and nickname. ive used pikachu as a screen name/ net-handle since i was like 11 yrs old.

to personally attack me for my opinion on clothing is just silly.
You were just cpompletely attacking teenagers who find wearing V-neck Cobra Starship T-shirts, skinny jeans with pink pleather belts (because vegan/veg is so fucking cool nowadays), shuttershades, brass knuckle necklaces, Norma Jean chain wallets and Bring Me The Horizon caps with a Dot Dot Curve haircut cool.

Hypocritical much?

[Robototron]

warped tour was awesome from '95-2000. when you were 9 years old to 14 years old. you weren't there, so you have no idea. Warped Tour was once cool and good. you were just too young to know.

Or maybe you're just really nostalgic?

[87pikachu]

You were just cpompletely attacking teenagers who find wearing V-neck Cobra Starship T-shirts, skinny jeans with pink pleather belts (because vegan/veg is so fucking cool nowadays), shuttershades, brass knuckle necklaces, Norma Jean chain wallets and Bring Me The Horizon caps with a Dot Dot Curve haircut cool.

Hypocritical much?

now ya lost me X-)

[Dymytry Vance]

now ya lost me X-)Then that is ultimately sad

[smelltheglove]

weird, my aunt took me in 2000.

well if you weren't only 14 and with your Aunt you would have realized that it was a good lineup and a great time. 14 is pretty young for an all day festival dude. i'm sure you weren't exactly a scene veteran at the time.

[smelltheglove]

Or maybe you're just really nostalgic?

totally. also, old and jaded. but nostalgic is the better way to put it.

...not so jaded that I don't come to absolutepunk.net anymore. I do realize i'm an old head for this place, but i refuse to "grow out" of the music that i love.

like that famous quote "if you're not a rebel at 20 you have no heart, if you haven't learned establishment by 30, you have no brains"

well whatever. "may i never lose my youth and if i do may I be forgettable" (SYG, the Fallen)

...not sure where i'm going with this. thanks anyone who actually reads these ramblings.

[x togepi x]

well if you weren't only 14 and with your Aunt you would have realized that it was a good lineup and a great time. 14 is pretty young for an all day festival dude. i'm sure you weren't exactly a scene veteran at the time.

Alright Tex. If we're going to play the "well you're too young to understand what was going on" card, then i might as well point out that my Aunt, who saw minor threat/bad brains/fugazi when they were all starting out, also said it was quite lame, for the same reasons: it's yet another corporate attempt to co-opt the punk scene, which is what leads to all these shitty bands that you're whining about now.

A ton of those "awesome really great" bands that you're nostalgic about were the same bands that facilitated the neon fad. go read what the lawrence arms said about their brief stay on warped and stop looking back at the boring old good old days.

[smelltheglove]

Alright Tex. If we're going to play the "well you're too young to understand what was going on" card, then i might as well point out that my Aunt, who saw minor threat/bad brains/fugazi when they were all starting out, also said it was quite lame, for the same reasons: it's yet another corporate attempt to co-opt the punk scene, which is what leads to all these shitty bands that you're whining about now.

A ton of those "awesome really great" bands that you're nostalgic about were the same bands that facilitated the neon fad. go read what the lawrence arms said about their brief stay on warped and stop looking back at the boring old good old days.

Warped Tour 2000 Mainstage Lineup included NOFX and Rancid, which in itself made it a pretty good year. AFI was there too, back when they were still good.

I've heard the "corporations are taking over, nachos are $10, Brenden Kelly hates Warped" argument a million times before (in person in fact, when the Larry Arms slept at my apartment back in 2002 after the Pittsburgh stop of the Plea for Peace tour)

Sure, you have too many corporate sponsors, but so what. you probably typed your last post with a Coke in one hand and brand name shoes on your feet. do you grow all your own food? do you sew your own clothing? i'm sure you support corporations every day of your life.

There are too many sponsors but it helps keep the ticket costs low. I can't believe that i'm still paying $20 for a warped tour ticket in 2009. It was $17.50 in 1997. That is hardly inflation at all, yet there are more stages & bands every year it seems.

What leads to these shitty bands are record labels looking to make quick cash off fashion bands and all the dumb teenagers that buy right into it and "put their fangs up". corporations aren't to blame, it's the kids that are so quick to bite on whatever trend is put in front of them, while these fake bands liek Cobra Starship just laugh all the way to the bank (as do their labels). Not sure what the Rockstar Energy Drink booth at Warped has to do with that.

which bands that i'm nostalgic about facilitated the neon fad? i'm curious to hear this. yea, RBF rocked neon? mike ness rocked neon? c'mon man, bands liek Cobra Starship is what started this crap.

[x togepi x]

Warped Tour 2000 Mainstage Lineup included NOFX and Rancid, which in itself made it a pretty good year. AFI was there too, back when they were still good.

none of those three bands are any good. you're boring.

I've heard the "corporations are taking over, nachos are $10, Brenden Kelly hates Warped" argument a million times before (in person in fact, when the Larry Arms slept at my apartment back in 2002 after the Pittsburgh stop of the Plea for Peace tour)

it's telling you don't really have a reasponse.

Sure, you have too many corporate sponsors, but so what. you probably typed your last post with a Coke in one hand and brand name shoes on your feet. do you grow all your own food? do you sew your own clothing? i'm sure you support corporations every day of your life.

stopped drinking soda, don't wear brand name shows, summer food comes from organic markets, most of my clothing is band t-shirts i traded for, but even then, my argument wasn't that "oh it's bad because it's corporate" since, in our globalized society it's becoming less and less possible to not support someone shitty.

my argument was that warped tour is corporations co-opting the punk movement, which is fairly different and something you don't seem to have a problem with until bands like Cobra Starship get popular (which is funny because you trumpet Rancid, who jocked good charlotte pretty hard back in the day, and NOFX, who talks shit on any band that actually follows their ethics, as good bands.)

There are too many sponsors but it helps keep the ticket costs low. I can't believe that i'm still paying $20 for a warped tour ticket in 2009. It was $17.50 in 1997. That is hardly inflation at all, yet there are more stages & bands every year it seems.

Yeah, and for $20, i can go see 4 separate shows with bands that are actually worthwhile, support local scenes instead of giant corporate venues and see sets longer than 25 minutes. Sure, nowadays, warped is awesome if you live in bumfuck iowa that nobody cares about but before warped, bands actually used to go to those towns instead of skipping by them nowadays because they lack scenes.

What leads to these shitty bands are record labels looking to make quick cash off fashion bands and all the dumb teenagers that buy right into it and "put their fangs up". corporations aren't to blame, it's the kids that are so quick to bite on whatever trend is put in front of them, while these fake bands liek Cobra Starship just laugh all the way to the bank (as do their labels). Not sure what the Rockstar Energy Drink booth at Warped has to do with that.

They facilitiate bands like that getting popular in the first place. Cobra Starship would be nowhere if their major label didn't back them.

which bands that i'm nostalgic about facilitated the neon fad? i'm curious to hear this. yea, RBF rocked neon? mike ness rocked neon? c'mon man, bands liek Cobra Starship is what started this crap.

NOFX
Rancid
AFI

are three that you pointed out as "good" and they all helped co-opt punk rock for years.

[87pikachu]

wow you guys really took this thread to the next level. im glad a select few of you feel the same way. I really just posted this to vent my frustration ab an event I used to look forward to all summer long as a kid, only to be disgusted by what I actually experienced. Same thing goes for the Bamboozle I did not attend this year or last year because it was awfully different from the past year before that.

I simply do not see any way these electro-pop-punk-dance-like-a-fairy bands can grow as artists, as the bands I used to worship like saves the day, jimmy eat world, brand new & numerous others have grown in the last 10 years.

****and btw, when I was 14 (& younger) somebody's mom or dad ALWAYS took us to Vans Warped Tour.

[smelltheglove]

none of those three bands are any good. you're boring.



it's telling you don't really have a reasponse.



stopped drinking soda, don't wear brand name shows, summer food comes from organic markets, most of my clothing is band t-shirts i traded for, but even then, my argument wasn't that "oh it's bad because it's corporate" since, in our globalized society it's becoming less and less possible to not support someone shitty.

my argument was that warped tour is corporations co-opting the punk movement, which is fairly different and something you don't seem to have a problem with until bands like Cobra Starship get popular (which is funny because you trumpet Rancid, who jocked good charlotte pretty hard back in the day, and NOFX, who talks shit on any band that actually follows their ethics, as good bands.)



Yeah, and for $20, i can go see 4 separate shows with bands that are actually worthwhile, support local scenes instead of giant corporate venues and see sets longer than 25 minutes. Sure, nowadays, warped is awesome if you live in bumfuck iowa that nobody cares about but before warped, bands actually used to go to those towns instead of skipping by them nowadays because they lack scenes.



They facilitiate bands like that getting popular in the first place. Cobra Starship would be nowhere if their major label didn't back them.



NOFX
Rancid
AFI

are three that you pointed out as "good" and they all helped co-opt punk rock for years.

i'm boring? you're an asshole. i have nothing to say to you since you clearly have everything in life all figured out, from globalization to what bands I shouldn't listen to. you've got all the answers dude and you're not even out of college yet. amazing.

[PenThrive]

This is the new generation. Those before thought the same of us. The kids will grow out of it.:shrug: