Discussion Question

[Rohan Kohli]

Who will put out the better album: Brand New (http://www.brandnewrock.com) or Taking Back Sunday (http://www.takingbacksunday.com) - and why?

[weaknights]

brand new.

[Skadude]

TBS, cuz theyre better and so far wut i've heard from each im rite

[Brandon Herbel]

I think I would have to say Brandnew.. I never really got into TBS for some reason.

[Amplifried]

Brand New. Was there really every any question?

[WordzandDreamz]

is this a joke? tbs haven't written a good song since john left the band. which is funny, cause for the most part, he hasn't either.

[absolution]

who will sell more albums?
taking back sunday

[thirsk]

tbs seems to be getting worse lyrically and less interesting musically

and brand new seems to be doing the opposite

for this, my vote goes brand new

[dillinisgood]

TBS because their album actually WILL be realeased while we are all still alive.

[Of Dust and Nations]

both will put out great albums, but people will hate them both because they're not tell all your friends 2 or deja entendu 2. im picking brand new.

[rus_t]

Brand New because Jesse Lacey has a bigger ego than anyone in TBS and he won't settle for anything less than perfection. Plus every Brand New album has pwnd all of TBS's.

[Jentheoptimist]

Taking Back Sunday > Brand New

This is truth.

[jfb392]

Brand New.

[DeadPoetic]

Brand New.

[IamTheINDUSTRY]

this isnt even a debate. brand new.

[FeynmanWannabe]

Probably Brand New, although they won't be album of the year for me.

[danalynne]

Brand New because Jesse Lacey has a bigger ego than anyone in TBS and he won't settle for anything less than perfection. Plus every Brand New album has pwnd all of TBS's.


agreed.

[fedhed7]

Taking Back Sunday. I like the Louder Now sampler better than the Brand New demos.

[ram04004]

There shouldn't be a need to pick betwee the albums....they are bothing going to be good, maybe not each bands' best, but nonetheless they will be good

[Steve Henderson]

Kevin Federline.

[YourMusicSucks]

I havent heard any brand new demos and its driving me insane.

But Fight your demons is actually going to be storebought by me.

[fluke182]

TBS because I like the direction they are going versus Brand New. Not to mention the fact I am in the extreme minority, liking both TBS albums more than both Brand New albums.

[dubey]

Who will make the better album? Brand New.
Who will sell the most records? TBS.

[blinkdude127]

Brand New, Tbs hasnt been in the same realm of having a good as or better album since Tell All Your Friends.. but I mean come on its Brand New...

[number2alien]

Are we still actually talking about this shit?

[straythumb]

if nolan was still in tbs i could see it being a close competition but without him brand new will beat them out for a better album. not sales though. i think tbs will sell more.

[Jonas900]

Brand New because in every meaningful category of music they are a better band. in particular i think Brand New has one of the most unique identities, especially given the "scene" from which they come, considering how easy it is for a lot of bands to sound "the same." From both a lyrical and a musical standpoint, Brand New appear to be a dominant band; the shortcomings of "Your Favorite Weapon" are passable and are all but errased on Deja. i see them going a long way with the next album. Brand New are innovators; TBS are imitators.

[Jentheoptimist]

Taking Back Sunday. I like the Louder Now sampler better than the Brand New demos.
You are my lover not only in life but in music. Jason Veda man kisses to you.

[winterdale]

well, Taking Back will release what it seem like people (who buy albums and dont just download the leak, hey im with ya damnit) want to hear. They'll have some singles and do the right tours and get all the FOB fans into their new album

while Brand New will write a much more self appeasing album, which is really up for grabs (just as Deja was) as to whethor or not it will win over the selling market.

I dont think its even a question to ask who will write a more integral album, I'll really like them both most likely, but TBS has a stigma of where I wont ever admit that they held a candle to Brand New, as far as album content goes...

[allelish]

I haven't been to into the 5 tracks i've heard off louder now i'm afraid. I love TBS so i'll definitely give the album a chance, but i think Brand new will put out a great album this year.

[knux]

Brand New... has TBS ever put out a better album than BN... i dont think so.

[Drew Beringer]

Taking Back Sunday

[sharpenup]

Taking Back Sunday. I like the Louder Now sampler better than the Brand New demos.

I agree.
Im not really much of a fan of either band but I actually do like Louder Now so far.

[nsgob22]

brand new

[Sureshot182]

brand new. because brand new is good and tbs isn't.

[zizou1790]

Brand New because Jesse Lacey has a bigger ego than anyone in TBS and he won't settle for anything less than perfection. Plus every Brand New album has pwnd all of TBS's.

word.

[fedhed7]

You are my lover not only in life but in music. Jason Veda man kisses to you.
:)

And it's Jason Vena, but I still love you.

[Anton Djamoos]

Midtown will put out the better album.

[chokeychicken]

Brand New because in every meaningful category of music they are a better band. in particular i think Brand New has one of the most unique identities, especially given the "scene" from which they come, considering how easy it is for a lot of bands to sound "the same." From both a lyrical and a musical standpoint, Brand New appear to be a dominant band; the shortcomings of "Your Favorite Weapon" are passable and are all but errased on Deja. i see them going a long way with the next album. Brand New are innovators; TBS are imitators.

i have to agree here. i love tell all your friends just as much as the next guy, and at one time, taking back sunday was one of my favorite bands. but where you want to be didn't do that much for me (there ARE 2 or 3 great songs on there, though)

meanwhile, brand new has released 2 records that are great in different ways. your favorite weapon is one of the better pop punk records that's been released in the last 10 years (right up there with the smoking popes, TTTYG, nothing gold can stay, and the like), while deja entendu is one of the most complete records released in the last 10 years (alongside clarity, etc)

but when it comes down to it, right now, brand new is making music that i will tell my kids about and possibly still be listening to as an adult, where as cute without the e probably won't get played much after i get out of college and stop going to shows.

i gotta give my vote to brand new.

but i still laugh everytime i think about the time i saw both of these bands in 2001 at the nanciraygun (anybody who lives in or around richmond knows how tiny this place is), and everybody left after taking back sunday, and there were like 10 kids there to see brand new headline.

oh, how times change.

[fedhed7]

I love Brand New as much as the next person, but the fact that everybody wants to masturbate on Jesse Lacey prevents me from being too excited for their next cd.

[chokeychicken]

i predict 250+ replies to this thread.

simply because it was posted on a sunday and there is nothing else going on.

[kshtoinks12]

TBS, they seem to have some untapped potential, while brand new could never oust deja entendu or your favorite weapon

[danielscottt]

am I the only one who thinks TBS is way better?

[PunkNews.Org]

both bands fucking suck, so it really doesn't matter

a much better question would be: bouncing souls or nofx?

[chokeychicken]

TBS, they seem to have some untapped potential, while brand new could never oust deja entendu or your favorite weapon

by untapped potential, are you referring to the fact that adam can't write a good song nowadays, or that half their lyrics are the same line repeating over and over again?

i've been listening to a lot of TBS to get myself pumped for the new record, and i have concluded that 95% of their songs end with the same line repeating.

[youareallfreaks]

brand nizzle because of historical reasons.

[eldonhenley]

Brand New...
Reason: Their 2nd album actually showed growth from their first one. They actually challenged themselves to be better. TBS just put out the same record, and took more time to get good takes, instead of slop. I think TBS could be a good band if they wanted to challenge themselves to expand on their sound, not just duplicate it.
That being said...I'm pumped for Brand New's record. The fact that they're doing it at sweet tea studios, where counting crows record, gets me excited to hear the acoustics and tones on the record as well!

[fedhed7]

TBS, they seem to have some untapped potential, while brand new could never oust deja entendu or your favorite weapon

Is that so? Then how come you made this thread in the trash talk forum??

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=114696

[phaedrus]

lets talk when brand new has a release date, or an album title, or a tracklisting, or anything

[chokeychicken]

both bands fucking suck, so it really doesn't matter

a much better question would be: bouncing souls or nofx?

wow, see, that's funny. assuming scott is behind that username, i look at stuff like this, (http://punknews.org/reviews.php?op=albumreview&id=794) and this (http://punknews.org/reviews.php?op=albumreview&id=2020), and wonder if i'd see a fat nerdy kid's picture if i looked up "self-contradition" in the dictionary.

(i really hope this post doesnt get deleted)

[CrucifiedHeart]

TAYF > Your Favorite Weapon
WWTB < Deja Entendu

Louder Now < Fight Off Your Demons

Louder Now is way too straightforward, relying on catchy one liner choruses forfeiting their intensity and layering of vocals and melodies that made TAYF so good.

Fight Off Your Demons/ the demos at least show versatilty, I hear songs that show influence from Kevin Devine to U2. Besides, so far, Jesse has been owning Adam or Fred lyrically, so far from what Ive heard of the new songs anyway.

Regardless, I'll reserve further judgment until I actually hear them both.

And
new Saves the Day + Thursday > TBS + Brand New

[GlassyLight]

Taking Back Sunday is going to release the better album. They've gone through the fan backlash of not releasing an album that fit everyone's high expectations after Tell All Your Friends, and expectations are lowered for Louder Now. They have the fan base (scene or not) and the record company's backing, so I feel that TBS no longer has the same amount of pressure on their shoulders and will release the album they want to.

Jesse Lacey's head will explode after everyone ejaculates over the release of the new one, covering the eastern seaboard with pretentious crap. You could hear the "I'm so great" sinking in on Deja Entendu, but songs like "Sic Transit Gloria" and "Guernica" saved that album from being as pretentious as a Franz Ferdinand album. I like Deja Entendu, but I have this sinking feeling that Brand New is going to suffer on this

[arizonahotrock]

Who will put out the better album: Brand New (http://www.brandnewrock.com) or Taking Back Sunday (http://www.takingbacksunday.com) - and why?

Oh, Rohan...why would you do this to us?

For starters.

Tell All Your Friends beats Your Favorite Weapon

Deja Entendu beats Where You Want To Be

As for the third albums...It's hard to say because they are getting further and further apart in style. Which makes it harder to compare. I think I'm going to have to take a guess and say TBS' new album is going to be better in terms of overall enjoyment. But, Brand New's will be better in terms of musicianship and lyrics.

[wybigsteve]

Taking Back Sunday... heard the new album and its far superrior than their last album. Gonna see them Wed night in SF. Good times.

[nfggc10]

TBS, they seem to have some untapped potential, while brand new could never oust deja entendu or your favorite weapon
TBS reached their potential with TAYF. I don't even look at TBS as the same band anymore. They're biggest mistake, that they keep on repeating, is sticking to same formula for every song they write. John and Shaun knew what they were doing when they left. The music and vocals have both slowed down even though they're going for a more aggressive sound.

[CrucifiedHeart]

both bands fucking suck, so it really doesn't matter

a much better question would be: bouncing souls or nofx?

Bouncing souls. theyre both really fun bands live though.
And i hate to say it, but theyve been writing the same songs for years and years too.
But NOFX' s the decline is better than anything the souls can ever do.

[chokeychicken]

brand nizzle because of historical reasons.

dumbest post in this thread.

[marbury1414]

Brand New. I like TBS but they'll never live up to what they used to be.

[xabadstarrx]

Brand New's album better be great considering all the time they have had to make it. this question is really random. i know bn and tbs has been grouped together since their beginning but they have both evolved into their own individual sound so i really dont know. i think i'll have to hear them both before i judge.

[A000lex]

brand new

[xabadstarrx]

Brand New's album better be great considering all the time they have had to make it. this question is really random. i know bn and tbs has been grouped together since their beginning but they have both evolved into their own individual sound so i really dont know. i think i'll have to hear them both before i judge.

[A000lex]

Look at how many people are viewing this.

[imthenewcancer]

im gonna have to say that they will both be amazing...i know its a copout but i love both of these bands and have no reason to trash either of them

[ThatGirl]

Are we still actually talking about this shit?
apparently we are.

way to ask the debate of the year question rohan.

brand new.

[American.Death]

Brand New because i never really got into "where you want to be"

[chokeychicken]

what's the record for most people viewing a thread at the same time?

[llmp]

Brand New, TBS hasn't released a good album yet so why start now?

[chokeychicken]

Brand New, TBS hasn't released a good album yet so why start now?

yeah you're right. tell all your friends wasn't a good record at all.

[anamericangod]

Brand New. It will just be something incredible. Sure, we'll all be able to sing along to MakeDamnSure, but it probably won't make me think about life like the BN album will.


Oh and I hope the Midtown album is great. FWYK was incredible.

I can only pray that Butch Walker is producing their new one.

on that note, listen to Butch Walker

[poppa Q]

what's the record for most people viewing a thread at the same time?A lot more than this.

[imlame.]

brand new. just because, it wouldnt be any other way.

[Buried A Lie]

brand new because TBS doesn't have john anymore.

[nfggc10]

Brand New. It will just be something incredible. Sure, we'll all be able to sing along to MakeDamnSure, but it probably won't make me think about life like the BN album will.


Oh and I hope the Midtown album is great. FWYK was incredible.

I can only pray that Butch Walker is producing their new one.

on that note, listen to Butch Walker
i agree with each one of those statements

[DontLookBaack]

Brand New. TBS went down the drain with "Where You Want To Be".

[shagelific]

Taking Back Sunday > Brand New

This is truth.

suck my dick.

[thebestkylever]

what label is the brand new album coming out on?

[Decemberist]

all the time brand new has taken to write it and ect.
theres no way jesse would put out anything less than AMAZING.
i think it will top deja and probably be the best record of the year.
or maybe i just have high hopes.

[kshtoinks12]

Is that so? Then how come you made this thread in the trash talk forum??

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=114696
because i don't like them that much, they're highly overrated and thats undeniable.i just don't think they can do better than those two full lengths

[myjokesmakeucry]

neither and who cares?

[WFUJerseyJon]

brand new. jesse is not afraid to push the envelope in any direction, musically, lyrically, or any other way. tbs has gotten on board a train that refuses to change direction. i appreciate where you want to be more than most i feel (although i will full out acknowledge it couldn't hold tell all your friends' jock), but it's just not as captivating as what brand new is doing. the demos sound amazing and they're only demos. for brand new the horizon is endless, while tbs have a limited range with the current lineup.


god i cannot wait to see brand new on june 20.

[PlusDanny]

No question. Brand New.

[eldonhenley]

what label is the brand new album coming out on?
It's coming out on Interscope.

[maledixtion]

Taking Back Sunday. They've really stepped it up on this album. The songs are very solid and have staying power. The songs are angry enough to be found on breakup mixes, but anthemetic enough to be played loud during the summer in the car.

Brand New is progressively becoming more and more Bright Eyes. I can really only see (from what I've heard of the early demos mind you) these songs being truly enjoyable when you are very depressed, although some songs seem like they would be enjoyable while drunk. I can imagine a room full of friends singing the words "Layin' like lions out in the sand" together. But we also have Bright Eyes for this.

Another point unrelated to these albums but relevant to the bands success. I've often wondered how far Brand New would have made it without their link to Taking Back SUnday. It was the drama betweeen them that really sparked everyone's interest in them. YFW was a very good pop punk album, but it's hardly the the cream of the pop punk crop. Without the attention TBS drew to them, I think Deja Entendu would have fallen under the radar, because it wasn't an album that people took to on first listen, it had to grow on you for most people. I firmly believe that without TBS, Brand New would be something like Days Like These; a good band that most people overlook.

TBS > BN

[ryheeles]

Brand New. because Jesse Lacey is a god.

[Signals Corrupted]

kevin devine

[deathcabforcash]

brand new, ive heard some of their new songs. plus TBS hasnt been good since john nolan left.

[thebestkylever]

It's coming out on Interscope.

thanks dudeguy

[TBSowns524]

Man this stuff irritates me. TBS is my favorite band and Brand New is second. Tell All Your Friends is my favorite album, while Deja Entendu is a close second for me. I really hate having to compare them. You people make it seem like that I can't like TBS anymore. I know, John is gone, they're not the same, WYWTB was a let down, yada yada yada. I like what I've heard from Louder Now, and the guitar work is much better than TAYF. It'll prolly be high up on my album of the year list, probably right behind Brand New. Brand New will write the more sophisticated album, and probably will be better. But please stop making it seem like TBS is done. Louder Now is gonna be great to rock out to for me, and it definitely will be very solid. Brand New is Brand New, it will be great. Jesse won't disappoint. But in the end, I'm gonna love both, so I'm not gonna spend the time comparing them. I'm just gonna enjoy.

P.S. I understand that whole tirade was really choppy, with short sentences, etc. I hope you guys were able to follow it.

[brandneww]

i think the new taking back sunday album is going to be pretty damn good and make us all forget about the disappointment of WYWTB. however, brand new's fight off your demons is going to completely blow louder now out of the water for all the reasons stated above by the pro-brand new posters. judging by the demos, every album brand new is putting out is really different than their last. they take chances and they don't make the same record twice. tbs just tries to recreate TAYF over and over. i'm not dissing tbs though, cuz i do love them.

let's not forget that brand new's new album was the most anticipated of 2005 according to the january 2005 issue of alternative press....most anticipated album of 2005 and they didn't even release an album last year...that's quite an accomplishment i'd say! lol

[grimis16]

i kinda fell like brand news new album will let a lot of people down. Unless its down right fucking amazing, its going to be hard to make all their fans happy who have been waiting soooo many years for a new one.

[chokeychicken]

this thread is going to keep me entertained all afternoon.

[takingbackNJ]

Brand New because in every meaningful category of music they are a better band. in particular i think Brand New has one of the most unique identities, especially given the "scene" from which they come, considering how easy it is for a lot of bands to sound "the same." From both a lyrical and a musical standpoint, Brand New appear to be a dominant band; the shortcomings of "Your Favorite Weapon" are passable and are all but errased on Deja. i see them going a long way with the next album. Brand New are innovators; TBS are imitators.
couldnt have said it better. tbs hasnt written a good song since john nolan quit that band. and that guitarist just keeps putting on more weight and its keeping him from writing good guitar parts. nuff said. go BN!

[splitsecond]

TBS, because as of right now, i am not sure if the new BN will ever exist.

[an0n]

the taking back sunday record is awesome, better than the last if you ask me.


but i think brand news new one is going to be ground breaking. at least thats what i hope... time will tell :)

[afterschoolnj12]

Defenitly Brand New. They're just so much more original.

[Rohan Kohli]

I feel like Brand New's music has that "timeless" quality to it... TBS, not so much. Doesn't mean TBS isn't enjoyable, but as someone said earlier, I think Brand New's one of those bands I will be listening to 20 years down the road.

Oh how I yearn for a BN release date.

[TBSowns524]

a little off topic... did anyone attend the TBS show in Boulder, CO or in Salt Lake City??

If so, what was the set list?

[nfggc10]

side note to everyone calling BN's new record Fight Off Your Demons: Jesse has 10 tentative working titles for the album so it is still untitled.

[LPMagic]

Brand New. Simply because they're Brand New.

- Jeff

[nfggc10]

I feel like Brand New's music has that "timeless" quality to it... TBS, not so much. Doesn't mean TBS isn't enjoyable, but as someone said earlier, I think Brand New's one of those bands I can listen to 20 years down the road and still really enjoy.

Oh how I yearn for a BN release date.
ha was wondering when you were gonna state your opinion and I agree with it all.

[HalfwitBoy777]

both will put out great albums, but people will hate them both because they're not tell all your friends 2 or deja entendu 2. im picking brand new.
totally agree with this. ive listened to leaks from both bands (i know im a rebel) neither are like the previous album. i dig it. but people might not catch on.

[Buried A Lie]

i think Louder Now will be good, but like i posted before, TBS doesnt have john, They lost about 40% of what made them great on Tell all your friends. Think about if you mixed Louder Now with straylight run. You'd have a hell of a TBS again. when you listen to these 2 bands you can tell where the missing members of original TBS are lacking. so brand new will have a better album but TBS's will be good too

[ntingley]

who gives a shit..im buying both albums :)

[alxneindecember]

brand new because they won't put a song as poor as error operator on their album.

plus it pains me to listen to tbs because of the potential they once shown and never reached, they'll get massive with this next release for sure but them as they are now is just not for me.

[Troy will Fall]

Brand New... has TBS ever put out a better album than BN... i dont think so.

Tell all your friends......?
Sure the new stuff isn't as good as Deja, and Brand New's new release will probably be much better than TBS..But i'm not forgetting how Tell All.. pretty much introduced me to so many great bands.

[empire000]

brand new

[motionoftheshar]

i think both bands are more than likely going to dissapoint the hell out people with what happens on thier new albums. BN has gone headlong into a progression from deja entendu which will probably get rid of all fairweather fans that only kind of liked, what i thought was, their landmark album in deja entendu.

TBS is a dissapointment in general. They aren't that good and they write the same songs over and over again. their call-and-response lyrics have gone from clever and intriguing, to typical and repetitive. Louder Now, although i will give it a chance, will probably be really unimpressive and boring.

...and in response to another post I read...Straylight Run is exponentially better than TBS. No questions asked.

[GreenJellyBean]

brand new.

[chokeychicken]

on a completely unrelated note, i think the PM system at AP needs to be adjusted. because i happened to glance up and realize that i had 6 new PM's, some of which were sent a month ago. i never checked because i never knew i had any. i think if you get a new PM, a window needs to pop up telling you so when you visit AP or when you log in. that would be neat.

ok, discussion can continue.

[an0n]

I feel like Brand New's music has that "timeless" quality to it... TBS, not so much. Doesn't mean TBS isn't enjoyable, but as someone said earlier, I think Brand New's one of those bands I will be listening to 20 years down the road.

Oh how I yearn for a BN release date.


I am with you 110% on that right there, no doubt.

[Bruycker]

thursday

[DontLookBaack]

thursday

Honestly, if it was Thursday, Brand New, or Taking Back Sunday, I'd pick Thursday.

[zerock]

brand new , wont be as good as deja entendu, but it will be better than tbs..

[chokeychicken]

watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9oLixccxZw&search=taking%20back%20sunday)

"i just want to say that everyone of you here, everyone of you singing along, and everyone of you just fukcing rocking out. you mean the world to me, to john, to shawn, to mark, to ed. you are the only thing that keeps us breathing. thank you so much."

(i wish adam still gave up the mic)

[InaGreendase]

Wasn't April Fools yesterday?

Brand New.

[WordzandDreamz]

thanks dudeguy
Where are your scrubs pics from? They are amazing

[CrazeeJaney]

I like both bands, but Brand New has been consistently more... interesting.
Who will sell more albums? Taking Back Sunday.
Whose album will be better though? Brand New.
I'm seeing both live. I'm excited about both nonetheless.

[chokeychicken]

both bands are terrible live.

[Jason Tate]

Haha, non issue. Poor TBS.

[domesticyeti]

Brand New will be better. Alot of people will still probably hate it becuase it wont be as perfect as they expect, or Deja Part 2, but it'll definetly be better then Louder Now.

I do love Taking Back Sunday, but they have seemed to be losing steam, and the songwriting is really starting to bother me. Every single song follows the exact same formula, and it just gets boring after a while. I'm hoping Louder Now blows me away, but from what i've heard, it'll be more of the same. I'll be interested in it for a while, but it won't stick.

Brand New is gonna be something that probably pushes the genre's boundries and is just lyrically amazing.

but if this was thursday vs. brand new, then things would be interesting

[Jason Tate]

on a completely unrelated note, i think the PM system at AP needs to be adjusted. because i happened to glance up and realize that i had 6 new PM's, some of which were sent a month ago. i never checked because i never knew i had any. i think if you get a new PM, a window needs to pop up telling you so when you visit AP or when you log in. that would be neat.

ok, discussion can continue.
Tools > options. Set that there.

[wesgemm08]

this year's progression chart(if all the cd's do indeed come out this year)


CONVERGE > Thursday = Dillinger Escape Plan > Brand New = Cursive > Saves the Day > Taking Back Sunday

[SummerxStars]

brand new

if old TBS was involved, then it would be a difficult decision

[costello.]

brand new.
because taking back sunday is doing the same thing they've been doing since tell all your friends.
(but progressively worse)
and brand new is one of three bands that got me into liking music in general.

[IcedOpethBlind]

TBS by default since Brand New will NEVER come out.
I love BN's music and all, but seriously, update shit and let us know what's going on.
I'm becoming partially apathetic with them.

[KarateExplosion]

the new blood brothers record will own both of these.

[ChiefSaveTheKid]

John Nolan has been demoing with them for a new split EP

[Java Nick]

Brand New's album will be better musically and lyrically. However, if you count success as how many albums sold, TBS will own, and that makes me sad. Tell All Your friends was an amazing album, one of those classic albums like Full Collapse, but after that and the loss of John, TBS could never top what they had. Now instead they'll just make mediocre music and get shit tons of money for it while Brand New's album will go somewhat unnoticed.

Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy TBS, but I think Brand New deserves more sales because I feel they have more talent then a majority of this music scene.

[Java Nick]

John Nolan has been demoing with them for a new split EP you mean with Brand New?

[MalevolentHoff]

Who is gonna sell more albums? TBS

Who is gonna release the better record? Brand New cause its only taken them 3 years to write it...so it better be fuckin good. P.S. Jesse said that those leaked demos arent gonna be on the new record.

[ChiefSaveTheKid]

you mean with Brand New?

Yeah, sorry.

[IcedOpethBlind]

Who is gonna sell more albums? TBS

Who is gonna release the better record? Brand New cause its only taken them 3 years to write it...so it better be fuckin good. P.S. Jesse said that those leaked demos arent gonna be on the new record.

Then that shit will be mindblowing. I loved most of those demos.

[Java Nick]

Yeah, sorry.

It's all good.

That's pretty cool though that there could be a spilt. ::drooling with anticipation::

[bigfoot316]

brand new. i don't like the direction TBS has gone since the new guys joined.

[IcedOpethBlind]

I really liked the TBS sampler I heard. If the rest is on par and/or better, it will be solid.
Still though,

Brand New > TBS

always.

[ChiefSaveTheKid]

Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy TBS, but I think Brand New deserves more sales because I feel they have more talent then a majority of this music scene.


Dont be so apathetic man. Just because TBS has gotten more MTV time in the PAST means that theyre going to push more albums than Brand New in the FUTURE. Brand New are huge as fuck at UF and every other university around. It doesnt mean people still listen to Deja, but they still respect Brand New. Anyone who knows anything about anything takes TBS now for what it is, the singer of a band that used to mean something, and a bunch of trained monkeys to slap the cymbals on command.

I hope people wake up enjoy shit better than Louder Now. but if they dont i dont care, because i do.

[TENCopeland]

well if Brand New's album sounds anything like the demos that were floating around, i'd much rather take a piss on the album that buy it. i love your favorite weapon and deja entendu, but those demos pissed me off. they were so pretentious i couldnt stand a whole song. they also put me to sleep, there was nothing to make any of the songs stand out in any way. i can only hope that the final versions won't suck balls. it would be a shame for such a good band to get so caught up in themselves that they try to make a God-like cd rather than make flat out good music.

[domesticyeti]

can someone post where i could find these brand new demos
cause i'd really like to hear them

[blum]

Br& New

[IcedOpethBlind]

Dont be so apathetic man. Just because TBS has gotten more MTV time in the PAST means that theyre going to push more albums than Brand New in the FUTURE. Brand New are huge as fuck at UF and every other university around. It doesnt mean people still listen to Deja, but they still respect Brand New. Anyone who knows anything about anything takes TBS now for what it is, the singer of a band that used to mean something, and a bunch of trained monkeys to slap the cymbals on command.

I hope people wake up enjoy shit better than Louder Now. but if they dont i dont care, because i do.

so you've heard Louder Now in it's entirety?
I doubt it. Way to prejudge.

[theredline]

Brand New is way overhyped. The guy has a horrible voice. My hope is TBS puts out an awesome album. We shall see...

[IcedOpethBlind]

well if Brand New's album sounds anything like the demos that were floating around, i'd much rather take a piss on the album that buy it. i love your favorite weapon and deja entendu, but those demos pissed me off. they were so pretentious i couldnt stand a whole song. they also put me to sleep, there was nothing to make any of the songs stand out in any way. i can only hope that the final versions won't suck balls. it would be a shame for such a good band to get so caught up in themselves that they try to make a God-like cd rather than make flat out good music.

What made them pretentious to you? Just out of curiousity...

[AbeLurkin]

dear rohan, now that there are six pages of comments...how about a nice summary?

[unwritten]

Both.

[desaparecido]

Probably Brand New, although they won't be album of the year for me.

which year are you referring to? you don't know what else is coming out in 2030.

[XxLoserDanxX]

well out of all the brand new demo's #7 is the best. the rest dont really grab my attention. and from what i heard from TBS it was alright.

Keep in mind Jesse said that the demos released probably wont be on the new cd. but if i had to pick, brand new by far!

[mikearduini9]

this post is begging for 100's of replies, hah.

[Foskco]

i have like 8 acoustic demos of the new brand new, and i have to say they arent good at all..they all sound the same and they are way to slow and boring... i hope they change the pase a little bit. if not than i say TBS

[Ailite]

I'd like to say both, but I can't, so I'm gonna say TBS, just because I'm looking forward to it more.

[brandrezake]

uh, yeah.....depends on what age group, or level of maturity you ask......

[BrandNizzle]

uh, yeah.....depends on what age group, or level of maturity you ask......


exactly.

there's a point where you look at the timeless aspect of the music...and Brand New definitely has that going on. Like Rohan said, I'll be listening to Brand New 10-20 years from now. The new demos are good, but you gotta remember...THEY PROBABLY WONT EVEN BE ON THE ALBUM. I'm trying not to overhype this album, but damn, I'm sick of everyone judging how the new album will be from songs that aren't even going to be a part of it.

as for Taking Back Sunday...the new album will be good for a couple summer night drives, but you can't even compare these bands anymore considering the directions they both have taken. It's like apples and oranges now.

and yes, I realize my username is Brand Nizzle. Thank you.

[andy_187]

brand new because i don't like taking back sunday.
(and i do like brand new)

[GoWaitInTheCar]

tbs seems to be getting worse lyrically and less interesting musically

and brand new seems to be doing the opposite

for this, my vote goes brand new

I guess I can agree with this.

[TheRunAround]

am i the only one who thinks brand new is gonna overanalyze this and Try to hard? -- don't worry though brand new will still sell like none other
BUTTT
i think the better cd will go to --> Taking Back Sunday

[wriggles_77]

Can someone tell me what happenned betweeen BN and TBS? excuse my stupidness. what happenned, as in did they have a falling out or something?

[Mula225]

I love Brand New as much as the next person, but the fact that everybody wants to masturbate on Jesse Lacey prevents me from being too excited for their next cd.

Indeed.

[WalmartPhotoGuy]

Taking Back Sunday.

[GQis...]

no matter. i'm buying both. :D

[minusthejosh]

Brand New because Taking Back Sunday died after John and Shawn left.

[fairview00]

this shouldnt even be compared. brand new owns tbs.

[beyondthelonely]

I honestly think that BN's music is so much more dynamic than what TBS has put out.
Now I'm certainly not knocking the TBS effort. I'm going to buy both most likely. I just think that, for me at least, Louder Now is going to be one of those cds that I love for like a week and can't stop listening to but then just get bored with. BN has so much more staying power

side note: I heard in a radio interview with Jesse that demo # 5 was tentatively titled Cleanser and was almost definitely going to be on the album. I don't know if this is true, but I'd like to believe it because I think its an amazing track.

[chokeychicken]

Can someone tell me what happenned betweeen BN and TBS? excuse my stupidness. what happenned, as in did they have a falling out or something?

www.google.com (http://www.absolutepunk.net/www.google.com)

[TBSowns524]

I honestly think that BN's music is so much more dynamic than what TBS has put out.
Now I'm certainly not knocking the TBS effort. I'm going to buy both most likely. I just think that, for me at least, Louder Now is going to be one of those cds that I love for like a week and can't stop listening to but then just get bored with. BN has so much more staying power

side note: I heard in a radio interview with Jesse that demo # 5 was tentatively titled Cleanser and was almost definitely going to be on the album. I don't know if this is true, but I'd like to believe it because I think its an amazing track.
plyrics added the lyrics for cleanser the other day: http://www.plyrics.com/b/brandnew.html

[tallehoohoo02]

Br& New

[Veritas11]

For starters.

Tell All Your Friends beats Your Favorite Weapon

Deja Entendu beats Where You Want To Be

As for the third albums...It's hard to say because they are getting further and further apart in style. Which makes it harder to compare. I think I'm going to have to take a guess and say TBS' new album is going to be better in terms of overall enjoyment. But, Brand New's will be better in terms of musicianship and lyrics.

I agree.

[robsmith]

brand new, clearly

[kg00d]

brand new

[oldschooljedi]

Brand New took went uphill after Your Favorite Weapon to the magic that is Deja Entendu.

TBS on the other hand went from the goodness of Tell All Your Friends to the mediocrity of Where You Want To Be.

So my vote is emphatically for Brand New.

[resUrectMe617]

i agree with the person that claimed that Tell all your friends beats out YFW. i mean i love BN but TAYF still gives me intense chills....that's not to say that YFW is bad, it's damn good but it doesn't get me the way TAYF does. however.. deja entendu just really blew me away so much that they've taken the spotlight for the past 3 years, so i will say that brand new will put out the better album.

ps. just like someone else said, their music is growing to be hard to compare and at this point in my life, i think i'm feeling BN's direction muscally than TBS's.

[andrewiodm]

brand new brand new

[TBSowns524]

um, i think i have an extra ticket to the providence show to get rid of cause my roommate cannot attend (he has a legitimate excuse) so um ya

[garlicgirl1210]

brand new hopefully. i mean tbs should be sweet, but i cannot wait for more brand new and a tour.
oh, and why? because it is brand new! come on....it'll sound delicious.

[metalnow]

side note: I heard in a radio interview with Jesse that demo # 5 was tentatively titled Cleanser and was almost definitely going to be on the album. I don't know if this is true, but I'd like to believe it because I think its an amazing track.


awesome. that was the best demo by far.

[Bury Your Head]

this is a joke
fucking brand new
tbs is getting worse and worse and brand new is the opposite. my only complaint is they are taking TOO FUCKING LONG TO GET THIS ALBUM OUT. taking back sunday released where you want to be after deja entredu and now they got their next album
any awnsers brand new?

[domesticyeti]

can someone please post a link to these brand new demos. i've read the lyrics and they look really good, but i cant find them

[bigboi]

Brand New because they don't suck.

[smokedsanity]

Taking Back Sunday blew its load with Tell All Your Friends. Brand New blew its load with Deja Entendu. That's the way it is. And by the way, those of you speaking as if it were a fact that Deja Entendu was life-changing, please stop. It didn't change my life or cause me to analyze. It was good, but it wasn't that good. It may have changed your life (which I would not understand), but don't say that people will still listen to it in 20 years when I barely listen to it now. But hey, this is only my opinion and we all have those. All that said, my vote will go towards Taking Back Sunday if the Brand New record sounds more like Morrisey and U2. I know it makes me a moron in most eyes, but I can't stand either of them.

[RandomHero1230]

Brand New.
Your Favorite Weapon and Deja Entendu > Tell All Your Friends and Where You Want to Be

BN's more consistent

...and Jesse Lacey is the fucking man.

[concretedetail]

the brand new demos were amazing.

[Simulcast]

the new blood brothers record will own both of these.

Horrible band. Holy crap, are you serious?

[TheNameIsJohnny]

Brand New because less scene kids like them.

[Futures187]

ok here is my input...

Brand New goes from producing a mainstream sound(your fav weapon) to producing an original and very distinct sound from Deja Entendu. it is almost as they matured and found there own sound. ya maybe i could agree with that, until i heard the new demos. this band doesnt know what they want to sound like. they started recording in october and some demos leak, 3 of which were acoustic songs, and one which has a techno intro. i really think, based on what i have listened too, that this new album isnt going to be anywhere close to how good deja entendu was.

Taking Back Sunday. okay, they put out an incredible record in Tell All Your Friends. Then john leaves the band and fred takes his place. they play a few tours and start to record. They put out a sub par record in Where You Want to Be. But wait! let us not forget that they signed to warner brothers imediately after the release of that cd. ok now think about this. in their contract with victory tbs had to put out two records. all of the sudden they realize they cant sign to a major label because they have only put out one. so they rush to the studio record a bunch of OK songs with a brand new guitarist and put out a cd. that, my friends, is why Where You Want to Be was not a very good album. Louder Now, on the other hand, is going to be incredible(again, from what i have listened to). Taking Back Sunday knows their sound unlike brand new, who is still "searching for their identity". Louder Now is going to sell a million copies and is going to be a cd that everyone listens to years from now, just like Tell All Your Friends.

basically, Brand New needs to grow up and record some incredible music that everyone knows they are capable of doing. So my pick is obvious. Taking Back Sunday is going to put out a better record, THIS TIME, but only because they learned from their mistakes of Where You Want to Be. Brand new hasnt had a bad record yet to learn from, but i think this one is going to be it. Brand New's NEXT album is one that will blow everyone away.

sorry for all of the grammatical mistakes

[WalmartPhotoGuy]

Taking Back Sunday blew its load with Tell All Your Friends. Brand New blew its load with Deja Entendu. That's the way it is. And by the way, those of you speaking as if it were a fact that Deja Entendu was life-changing, please stop. It didn't change my life or cause me to analyze. It was good, but it wasn't that good. It may have changed your life (which I would not understand), but don't say that people will still listen to it in 20 years when I barely listen to it now. But hey, this is only my opinion and we all have those. All that said, my vote will go towards Taking Back Sunday if the Brand New record sounds more like Morrisey and U2. I know it makes me a moron in most eyes, but I can't stand either of them.

I agree completely.

[whatbrendansaid]

Brand New hands down

[The Revisionist]

Pretty weak choices...

[resUrectMe617]

oh yeah speaking of extra tickets (someone mentioned).... does anyone want an extra BN ticket to Johns Hopkins show? i'm pretty sure i won't be needing mine anymore... i bought one just in case i couldn't make the providence show.

PM me and we'll talk.

[dashboard1190]

Brand New.

[mediocrgreenday]

tbs will be releasing their next cd buy the time brand new puts this one out

[shadowsstatues]

brand new, no debate here. TBS cater to the emo scene kids.

[cht9989]

by far, brand new...
but i think that the tbs cd will be surprisingly better than we all think (hopefully)

[TheUntitled]

TBS because their album actually WILL be realeased while we are all still alive.

Because obviously.....according to some..........a release date makes one album better than another.

Thanks.

[murphy77]

its hard to choose between your two favorite bands.....


heres my opinion: louder now will be just as good as fight off your demons but a year from now, people will be saying brand news cd was better because tbs is mega-popular and they dont wanna seem "scene" or whatever....


ps: why do people post pwn isntead of own (i thought it was a typo, but it happens all the time)

[wesgemm08]

Horrible band. Holy crap, are you serious?

:iamwithst



I dont see how people can say brand new will never be able to release anything better than deja.. it was their last album, they havent released any material since except the 7 demos of which i bet only 1 or 2 will show up on an album, if that

[Vicky82]

i say Brand New because their last album was amazing and i have been waiting for the next. Also for some reason i have never been blown away by TBS

[DroppedUrPocket]

Br& New

[justinevans]

brand new because mics are for singing not for swinging.

[RegularMax]

TBS because their album actually WILL be realeased while we are all still alive.

Nice man, there are probably 9 million other replies on this one but nice! I really dig the new TBS stuff, plus it's the rule. Your first Major Label album will be good, however may be hated by scenesters, but they are all pretty much dude fuckers by now. Ipso-Facto, good fucking call man.

[1000shadesofred]

first of all, how do we make a decision on the word "better"... lets replace it with "who will sell more albums"... and i believe taking back sunday will be better strictly because they are more of a neutral band... like for brand new, and their last album, there was a large division of people liking it and disliking it.. as for the taking back sunday, everyone has somewhat stayed consistant in their liking of TBS... Sooo based on that i believe taking back sunday will be "better".

[crzydrmmer]

Brand New!

[emptyvictory]

Brand New because Taking Back Sunday died after John and Shawn left.

TBS grew after J and S left and Louder Now will prove that

[skup1017]

BRAND NEW b/c they have yet to sell out to pop music and they don't repeat the same like 10 times straight. true art vs. pop punk. i dont hate tbs, but i think they're album won't be nearly as spectacular as Brand New. plus, bn demos are absolutely ridiculous. in the best way possible.

[TheNumberOneFan]

this should be Brand New vs. Thursday or... something better than the current match-up we've got going on here

[Im Not Scene]

Im gonna go with being equally impressed with both. I agree with the fact that TBS' songwriting has taken an EXTREME turn since tell all your friends... but I think the music has gotten stronger. Especially with the sampler they put out. I read earlier in this thread that Brand New is one of the most recognizable sounds in the scene... and I have to say that when TBS first released tell all your friends, they had an equal or more unique identity. If you heard a song of theirs, you knew who it was without asking.

Brand New is also going to release a good album... someday. Althought egos have been known to RUIN bands. I look forward to seeing when this album sees daylight, and also what it sounds like.


this is how their albums stack up.

TAYF>Deja>WYWTB>YFW

althought lyrically YFW woops, blinds, and gang rapes WYWTB... just too bad the music wasnt grand.

[Im Not Scene]

BRAND NEW b/c they have yet to sell out to pop music and they don't repeat the same like 10 times straight. true art vs. pop punk. i dont hate tbs, but i think they're album won't be nearly as spectacular as Brand New. plus, bn demos are absolutely ridiculous. in the best way possible.

In case youve never heard it, Your Favorite Weapon is the definition of Pop-Punk. It's their roots.

[akillingmoon]

You kids are so freakin stupid.

Ya know, at some point this WILL matter again and I'm hoping soon. Bands that come around that have guys that have actually been TRAINED to play music. Will always put out the better albums. In Taking Back Sunday, they traded away John and Shawn for two badasses at their instruments in Fred and Matt. In NO WAY can you view this is as a setback. In Adam, they have one of the best vocalists in music period. I can't think of very many bands who can stack up to them talentwise. The songs will be good as have they been on every TBS album. Unfortunately, people pretend that Tell ALL Your Friends was this "god" of an album and sure I love it to death, but i mean the guitars and John's vocals sounded like shit. Anyway, so in brand new, you have two albums that while they might be lyrically interesting, fucking SUCK musically. If you want to argue lyrics go to poetry.com or some shit like that. It's THE MUSIC that matters. ROCK is about the FEELING. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS that Jesse Lacey doesn't sing on pitch. And then he writes songs about people wishing their voice sounded like his and he's serious? cmon guys. Just because your friend likes brand new doesn't mean you have to. The only kids who like brand new are the new scene brats who not only have changed the dress code to goth, but wear their hair like girls. TBS is doing something that's for the MEN who love rock. The new songs KICK ASS and that's all that matters. fuck what adam is saying you can't understand him anyway, but his voice sounds freakin' amazing this time around. HANDS DOWN LOUDER NOW kicks whatever crap jesse and the rest of the wannabe's comes up with this time around..... or in a best case scenario it will kick the shit out of an album we never have to be subject to hearing at all.

screw brand new.

[LPMagic]

You kids are so freakin stupid.

Ya know, at some point this WILL matter again and I'm hoping soon. Bands that come around that have guys that have actually been TRAINED to play music. Will always put out the better albums. In Taking Back Sunday, they traded away John and Shawn for two badasses at their instruments in Fred and Matt. In NO WAY can you view this is as a setback. In Adam, they have one of the best vocalists in music period. I can't think of very many bands who can stack up to them talentwise. The songs will be good as have they been on every TBS album. Unfortunately, people pretend that Tell ALL Your Friends was this "god" of an album and sure I love it to death, but i mean the guitars and John's vocals sounded like shit. Anyway, so in brand new, you have two albums that while they might be lyrically interesting, fucking SUCK musically. If you want to argue lyrics go to poetry.com or some shit like that. It's THE MUSIC that matters. ROCK is about the FEELING. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS that Jesse Lacey doesn't sing on pitch. And then he writes songs about people wishing their voice sounded like his and he's serious? cmon guys. Just because your friend likes brand new doesn't mean you have to. The only kids who like brand new are the new scene brats who not only have changed the dress code to goth, but wear their hair like girls. TBS is doing something that's for the MEN who love rock. The new songs KICK ASS and that's all that matters. fuck what adam is saying you can't understand him anyway, but his voice sounds freakin' amazing this time around. HANDS DOWN LOUDER NOW kicks whatever crap jesse and the rest of the wannabe's comes up with this time around..... or in a best case scenario it will kick the shit out of an album we never have to be subject to hearing at all.

screw brand new.
Split up your long posts into paragraphs from now on. And you don't need to CAPITALIZE randomly... or at all. Oh yeah, and people have opinions. Share them but don't force them on to others. Beginning posts with insults isn't a good idea either. And that was AP.net 101.

- Jeff

[akillingmoon]

cute.

[westsidas2000]

brand new.

[LPMagic]

cute.
ROCK is about the FEELING.

- Jeff

[Spiffysthebest]

I love both bands. I'm saying Brand New, even though it's a leap of faith since, well at least I heaven't, heard any new music from these guys since Deja. But I'm excited for both albums. Louder Now's gonna be sweet.

[onxpoint]

taking back sunday. brand new will try entirely too hard to "progress" and make a "mature" record, which will ultimately be totally boring. tbs will put out a solid, energetic rock record, which is what they do best.

[hippieocracy]

Brand New because less scene kids like them.
yeah.
that's definetly why i listen to them.


brand new because its more of an alchemy when it comes to songwriting for them.
tbs is good, and tell all your friends was a great record, but still not better than yfw.
brand new has been growing solidly with every album, without losing their core "brandnew-ness" and this one won't be any different.
and where you want to be doesn't even compare to deja.

[smokedsanity]

***Allow me to offer this preface for anyone who reads this post, IF anyone reads this post. This is for those of you who need everything explained. This is my opinion. I am not trying to state it as fact. This is my side of a discussion in a discussion thread on a site that is all about discussion. My views are solely my own. I am fully aware that 99% percent of you will disagree, but like you, I have the right to express my opinion. Happy now, Homestar?***

I have to call "bullshit" on some of you. I don't know why it matters, but it is definitely bugging me. Those of you saying Your Favorite Weapon is better than Tell All Your Friends - 1) I highly doubt you said this two years ago, when Taking Back Sunday wasn't dangerously close to Fall Out Boy's (or any other band that is cool to hate) "sell-out" status. 2) It's not better. There are opinions and there are facts. The members of Brand New have admitted that they weren't any good with their instruments on that album. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, it's got some good lyrics. Yeah, it was far from a musical masterpiece itself, but Tell All Your Friends was as far ahead of Your Favorite Weapon as Deja Entendu was Where You Want To Be. I'm not saying that Tell All Your Friends was lightyears ahead of Your Favorite Weapon, musically, but Tell All Your Friends played a much bigger part in getting the "scene" to where it currently stands. That isn't about record sales, but about the passion, energy, and feeling that it gave many of those who listened. Your Favorite Weapon was good, but it didn't reach that level. Neither album was the as amazing as they have been made out to be anyway.

I saw someone say something about how Brand New's will better because "mics are singing, not for swinging." That's a Brand New shirt, isn't? Explain to me how it is not cool for two people involved in a lover's spat (or any argument) to throw jabs through away messages, etc., but it is cool when bands throw the jabs through t-shirts? That's what that is about, right? Adam swings his mic, Brand New made the t-shirt as a jab. That's what I've read on here in posts by YOU the members, YOU the fans. So, if I'm wrong, it's because of YOU. But assuming that this idea of it being a dig is true, why should I have so much respect and admiration for a band that isn't above teenage argumentation? Double standard, it cracks me up.

Don't tell me Deja Entendu is timeless. Musically, it's not that impressive. Its lyrical content is better than much of what is offered within the "scene", but it is still dealing with much of the same issues. It's still dealing with growing up and the struggles that go along with it. Someone mentioned earlier how most people won't continue to listen to Cute Without the "E" when they grow older. I believe that is true, but don't tell me that when you are 30 years old, Sic Transit Gloria will have the effect that it does when you are 18 or 20. The same rules apply to both bands and their albums. Don't get me wrong, I like the albums, but so much of this shit is just that - shit. Neither was an end-all, be-all album. They were good. Nothing more, nothing less. And, since I'm talking about this --- I think Tell All Your Friends will be better remembered than Deja Entendu. It has a much better chance of being our generation's Hello Bastards or London Calling.

I know most of you will throw whatever negative comments at me for this, but oh well. It's late, I'm tired and cranky, but unfortunately cannot sleep. I see some things that irritate me and I'm venting. Thank you for reading. Consider this my asshole, like opinions, we all have one. Oh, and let me make it clear --- my calling "bullshit" only pertains to the very first part of this post, I just went on a rant from there.

[LPMagic]

Don't tell me Deja Entendu is timeless. Musically, it's not that impressive.
Ok, so I scanned your post. Then I got to this part and I felt like punching you in the face. I'm sick of people preaching their opinion as fact. Shut the fuck up and get over yourself. Just because you wake up in the morning and have a thought doesn't mean that's what everyone else thinks or feels.

- Jeff

[smokedsanity]

Ok, so I scanned your post. Then I got to this part and I felt like punching you in the face. I'm sick of people preaching their opinion as fact. Shut the fuck up and get over yourself. Just because you wake up in the morning and have a thought doesn't mean that's what everyone else thinks or feels.

- Jeff


Haha, I don't remember stating that it was fact. Can you point that out to me? And while you are pointing things out, please show me where you crawled the ass of someone who spoke heavenly of Deja Entendu. I thought that was what this thread was - discussion of opinion. I did that. Any problems? When talking about Deja Entendu, I never said anything was fact. But go ahead, bring Homestar Runner and punch me in the face. Am I really supposed to talk you seriously when that is what you offer? "I felt like punching you in the face." I mean, are you serious?

[joz]

i've heard some demos by brand new. they sound ace.
tbs have always been bad in my opinion - but props to them for good support on their upcoming uk tour. hellogoodbye and eisley = a dream come true :p

[wriggles_77]

i have just heard the Brand New deoms and i am not impressed. the Taking Back Sunday songs are by far better, and these sound like an attempt by Jesse to almost go solo. If you want music that actually makes you feel something, then the Taking Back Sunday items are better. I admit that the old Brand New songs are far better lyrically and De Ja had more guts than the latter by Taking Back Sunday, but the new Brand New is quite boring and dull.

[scarsandstories]

straylight run

[Marsvolta84]

Brand New, without doubt.

[UrOwNdISaStR180]

Louder now

[wriggles_77]

I agree smokey. I think that Brand New, although their lyrics are very deep, their sound leaves alot to be desired. Your Favourite Weapon is great in words, but the sound apart fro a couple songs is very mediocre. I think Tell All Your Friends is very deep, lyrically and musically. Where You Want To Be was a good record, however, it was no where near as cool as Tell All Your Frinds. Brand have become somewhat a one-man-band, and i believe that the hype around these guys is far greater than it should. I like Brand New a whole lot more before i read these comments, and realised that alot of the Brand New fans out there wouldn't give Taking Back Sunday a chance, even if it was good. I think you guys hate things before you give tem a chance, and maybe the fact that Brand New's album may be a little bit of a let down worries hepas people. De Ja Entendu was good, and lyrically, it is fantstic, but as for the variety of the music, it leaves alot to be desired. Maybe if the words were given to another band, to see what they could do with them would be good. I think Taking Back Sunday have too many haters and not enough chances.

[XxLoserDanxX]

Been reading through all the post. and thinking back, I remember hearing the TBS demo's and being in love with them. I remember going to shows with Ryan (bassist of MBR) and just listening to TBS endlessly. And then YFW came out and all I listen to was TBS and BN. When Deja came out I didn't like it at first because it was a departure from the BN I knew and I loved, while I was still listening to and loving TAYF. Now, I've grown to love Deja (still not as much as YFW :) ). I really don't like Where You Want To Be, I can't listen to it. I haven't heard Louder Now, but if it's more like TAYF then I'll listen to it just as much. The Brand New demo's are ok. Maybe 3 out of the 9 are semi-decent. #7 (the one with the piano and tigers and shit) is by far the best, but I don't want 11 tracks of Jesse, I want 11 tracks of Brand-fucking-New. Oh well, I'll buy both albums and then choose which I like better.

[xkillthemusic]

I love them both, but Brand New is more musically talented in my opinion.

[EmoKid1023]

I think its gonna be tough. Cuz from what Ive heard the new TBS sounds alot better than the Brand New demos. Might be cuzI miss the quick wit of your favorite weapon. I love Deja and I agree its a better album but I need some quick stabs.

[staticpain]

Saves the Day

[Rouse Diaz]

taking back sunday porque es familia

[charly horse]

I don't know.
I really like the tbs songs....
but, I heard that the bn demos arn't even going to make up the album...so I don't know.

I can't tell.

[Say Hello 87]

I personally love both bands, they have each helped pave the way I live musically speaking for the past couples of years. I think that Brand New's new record will be a lot more thought out and just better all around and since they just got upgraded to a major label I think they will finally get the support they deserve. But then again, the exact same thing just happened to TBS. Personally, I love Brand New way more then TBS just because Brand New is probably one of my all time favorite bands ever because of DE. That record to me is one of the best records of my lifetime. So I would definately have to say BN even though I will definately buy both records day of release and I will attend all the shows they play in my own city. But I think Brand New will take it on this subject.

[Kyner]

both albums are going to blow, yet AP will pimp the shit out of brand new so all the emo kids can be happy

[duffe]

Brand New.

[LPMagic]

Haha, I don't remember stating that it was fact. Can you point that out to me? And while you are pointing things out, please show me where you crawled the ass of someone who spoke heavenly of Deja Entendu. I thought that was what this thread was - discussion of opinion. I did that. Any problems? When talking about Deja Entendu, I never said anything was fact. But go ahead, bring Homestar Runner and punch me in the face. Am I really supposed to talk you seriously when that is what you offer? "I felt like punching you in the face." I mean, are you serious?
Well I obviously struck a chord if you went back and edited your original post. You're telling me that the album isn't impressive musically. You're telling people not to tell you it's timeless. Based on those two things alone, I wanted to punch you in the face. Not because of you specifically, but because of people like you. People who prance around message boards forcing their opinion over someone else's, as if their word means more.

It's one thing to come on here and say "I don't think Deja Entendu is that great" or "I disagree with the general opinion." It's a whole other thing to come on here and say "fuck your opinion" in so many words. You don't have to come out and say "this is a fact" for that to be the general vibe.

I could dissect your original post starting with you calling bullshit on people if you'd like. (Barring you don't edit it again to make you seem like less of an asshole)

- Jeff

[akillingmoon]

COME ON JEFF

I mean honestly. I can sit here and give my opinion and you can say that I'm giving it as fact, and in some ways you are right. i'm a music composition major. I go to SCHOOL for music at the University of North Texas. I could walk around my school and find 50 kids who can play guitar better, play the bass and play the drums better than the guys in brand new. I could find 100 kids who could write musically in the same style as brand new and it would be more polished and thought provoking. I'm sorry but using the I-IV-V and vi chords is what EVERYONE does. the only thing modern-day rock bands do that is original is melody. This brings us again to the fact that JESSE LACEY doesn't sing in tune. Now a days we're got pitch correction for God's sake. Give me a break there is no reason on earth you would let your voice be recorded down like that if you had an impressive ear for music.
It is completely understandable why you would like Brand New over TBS. You can relate to the band that is on your own level of musicianship. Say what you want about Where You Want To Be.... but you can't tell me that the chord progressions and musical ideas are just straight repetition of their last album. The only thing Brand new did was change up the arrangement of the songs because all their songs use the exact same chords.
Go Ahead argue some more. I wish all of you would. Keep proving that you lack a mature taste and an acute ear for music. be my guest.

steven

[LPMagic]

COME ON JEFF

I mean honestly. I can sit here and give my opinion and you can say that I'm giving it as fact, and in some ways you are right. i'm a music composition major. I go to SCHOOL for music at the University of North Texas. I could walk around my school and find 50 kids who can play guitar better, play the bass and play the drums better than the guys in brand new. I could find 100 kids who could write musically in the same style as brand new and it would be more polished and thought provoking. I'm sorry but using the I-IV-V and vi chords is what EVERYONE does. the only thing modern-day rock bands do that is original is melody. This brings us again to the fact that JESSE LACEY doesn't sing in tune. Now a days we're got pitch correction for God's sake. Give me a break there is no reason on earth you would let your voice be recorded down like that if you had an impressive ear for music.
It is completely understandable why you would like Brand New over TBS. You can relate to the band that is on your own level of musicianship. Say what you want about Where You Want To Be.... but you can't tell me that the chord progressions and musical ideas are just straight repetition of their last album. The only thing Brand new did was change up the arrangement of the songs because all their songs use the exact same chords.
Go Ahead argue some more. I wish all of you would. Keep proving that you lack a mature taste and an acute ear for music. be my guest.

steven
I don't care where you go to school, how old you are, how many of your friends can play better than any band, or for your elitist attitude.

First of all, we're comparing Brand New and Taking Back Sunday. Me saying I like one over the other doesn't give me bad taste. If you think that, then you need to leave these message boards right now. For your information I enjoy all four full length albums between the two. Deja Entendu is my favorite because of its lyrics, so you can quit preaching about how Jesse's vocals suck or their instrumental progression or whatever other bullshit "fact" you want to throw at me.

I really don't know why I waste my time "debating" with you while you sit there and say "This is what I think and it's the absolute truth because I'm in college." Who the fuck do you think you are?

- Jeff

[XxLoserDanxX]

if you listen to TAYF adam doesnt sing in tune, and when his voice gets weaks and starts to get shakey, he doesnt re-record them, thats how he wanted them to sound. same can be heard on Deja in Good to know ... "Take heart sweartheart or I will take it from you" Jesse sings that part and the vocals are shakey, because he wanted them to sound that way. its a certain style they go for. Hell, a lot of kids can play better than a lot of bands. its the chemistry of a band as a whole that makes them what they are. I would rather have people who love to play music and do it because they love it, rather than have some one find the best musicians and lump them in a band just to make each chord and line come out perfect everytime ...

[smokedsanity]

Well I obviously struck a chord if you went back and edited your original post. You're telling me that the album isn't impressive musically. You're telling people not to tell you it's timeless. Based on those two things alone, I wanted to punch you in the face. Not because of you specifically, but because of people like you. People who prance around message boards forcing their opinion over someone else's, as if their word means more.

It's one thing to come on here and say "I don't think Deja Entendu is that great" or "I disagree with the general opinion." It's a whole other thing to come on here and say "fuck your opinion" in so many words. You don't have to come out and say "this is a fact" for that to be the general vibe.

I could dissect your original post starting with you calling bullshit on people if you'd like. (Barring you don't edit it again to make you seem like less of an asshole)

- Jeff


Haha, yes I edited it. For people, like you, who cannot grasp the concept of discussion, and how it is unnecessary for someone to preface a post with a disclaimer making it clear that everything said is opinion. That is all that was edited, by the way. Now, do me one favor....like I asked. Point me in the direction of a post where you crawl the ass of someone who states a positive opinion of Deja Entendu. The only reason you choose me is because I didn't kiss the ass of Brand New. Explain to me why you did not go after others in the discussion? Those who said positive things about the album? The people who did not say, "this is my opinion." The people who offered only a positive statement, but without a disclaimer. Why is it okay for them to voice their thoughts, but not okay for me? The only people you have criticized in this discussion are people who spoke ill of Deja Entendu. Don't dare try to make an argument about how "wrong" I am when you are only going after those who hold a stance different from yours.

[LPMagic]

Haha, yes I edited it. For people, like you, who cannot grasp the concept of discussion, and how it is unnecessary for someone to preface a post with a disclaimer making it clear that everything said is opinion.
I don't know why I try discussion with you because it appears that you cannot grasp the concept of reading. You actually skipped over an entire paragraph. Have ADD? Here it is again for you, this time try to read it:

It's one thing to come on here and say "I don't think Deja Entendu is that great" or "I disagree with the general opinion." It's a whole other thing to come on here and say "fuck your opinion" in so many words. You don't have to come out and say "this is a fact" for that to be the general vibe.

Now, do me one favor....like I asked. Point me in the direction of a post where you crawl the ass of someone who states a positive opinion of Deja Entendu. The only reason you choose me is because I didn't kiss the ass of Brand New. Explain to me why you did not go after others in the discussion? Those who said positive things about the album? The people who did not say, "this is my opinion." The people who offered only a positive statement, but without a disclaimer. Why is it okay for them to voice their thoughts, but not okay for me? The only people you have criticized in this discussion are people who spoke ill of Deja Entendu. Don't dare try to make an argument about how "wrong" I am when you are only going after those who hold a stance different from yours.
If I had the time of day, sure, I'd go after everyone... although if it's anything like talking to you, it'd be a waste of my time. To be completely honest with you, I checked the replies in this thread and yours stuck out because of length. I started reading it over, saw those two things and became infuriated. Could I have been infuriated over other people's words? Sure. I'm not here to defend Taking Back Sunday, Brand New, or any other band / AP member. I'm not here as a street team member. I just hate when people come on here and belittle others for stating a preference.

- Jeff

[smokedsanity]

I don't know why I try discussion with you because it appears that you cannot grasp the concept of reading. You actually skipped over an entire paragraph. Have ADD? Here it is again for you, this time try to read it:

It's one thing to come on here and say "I don't think Deja Entendu is that great" or "I disagree with the general opinion." It's a whole other thing to come on here and say "fuck your opinion" in so many words. You don't have to come out and say "this is a fact" for that to be the general vibe.


If I had the time of day, sure, I'd go after everyone... although if it's anything like talking to you, it'd be a waste of my time. To be completely honest with you, I checked the replies in this thread and yours stuck out because of length. I started reading it over, saw those two things and became infuriated. Could I have been infuriated over other people's words? Sure. I'm not here to defend Taking Back Sunday, Brand New, or any other band / AP member. I'm not here as a street team member. I just hate when people come on here and belittle others for stating a preference.

- Jeff


Oh wow, man, you are really full of yourself. I didn't skip over your paragraph. I addressed it, actually. See, part of discussion and opinion is voicing your thoughts completely. I'm sorry that you got a "fuck your opinion" vibe, but all I was doing was expressing my thoughts like everyone else. I saw many things in this discussion which I felt the desire to address so it came out as a rant. Now, just like I should not have to post a disclaimer, I should not have to worry about someone getting offended over my opinion. When I attack you directly, feel free to take offense and get an attitude, but until then, remember that I am entitled to my opinion and expression of that opinion. I did not belittle anyone. I called "bullshit" because I honestly imagine that a number of people who hold Your Favorite Weapon in higher regard do so only because of a love for Deja Entendu and because Taking Back Sunday has become cool to hate by many. I really doubt that many people felt Your Favorite Weapon was better back when the two were released. Mind you, I am NOT saying that this applies to everyone, but I really feel it applies to some. I never even said it applied to everyone in the first place, so you have no argument there. It's funny that you say you would go after others, but the only others you attacked were those who spoke ill of the album. So, why is it that you get angry when someone speaks poorly of Deja Entendu,(and take it as them saying "fuck your opinion"), but do not get angry, (or take it as a "fuck your opinion"), when someone says something positive. Really, why do you only consider those of us who have spoken with harsh words to have blatant disregard for others' opinions?

[LPMagic]

Oh wow, man, you are really full of yourself. I didn't skip over your paragraph. I addressed it, actually. See, part of discussion and opinion is voicing your thoughts completely. I'm sorry that you got a "fuck your opinion" vibe, but all I was doing was expressing my thoughts like everyone else. I saw many things in this discussion which I felt the desire to address so it came out as a rant. Now, just like I should not have to post a disclaimer, I should not have to worry about someone getting offended over my opinion. When I attack you directly, feel free to take offense and get an attitude, but until then, remember that I am entitled to my opinion and expression of that opinion. I did not belittle anyone. I called "bullshit" because I honestly imagine that a number of people who hold Your Favorite Weapon in higher regard do so only because of a love for Deja Entendu and because Taking Back Sunday has become cool to hate by many. I really doubt that many people felt Your Favorite Weapon was better back when the two were released. Mind you, I am NOT saying that this applies to everyone, but I really feel it applies to some. I never even said it applied to everyone in the first place, so you have no argument there. It's funny that you say you would go after others, but the only others you attacked were those who spoke ill of the album. So, why is it that you get angry when someone speaks poorly of Deja Entendu,(and take it as them saying "fuck your opinion"), but do not get angry, (or take it as a "fuck your opinion"), when someone says something positive. Really, why do you only consider those of us who have spoken with harsh words to have blatant disregard for others' opinions?
You wasted your time, I'm done trying to talk this out with you. You and akillingmoon just happened to both speak poorly of Deja Entendu. That has nothing to do with one of you starting out by saying "you kids are so freakin stupid" and the other one saying "I have to call 'bullshit' on some of you." You can sarcastically apologize for the vibe you give off, I don't care. I read your post and reacted to it. There's a right way to express your opinion and a wrong way. The wrong way is to dismiss others' or hold your own at a higher level. Believe in what you believe in, of course, but don't go around calling bullshit and telling people how they felt, feel, or should feel.

- Jeff

[smokedsanity]

You wasted your time, I'm done trying to talk this out with you. You and akillingmoon just happened to both speak poorly of Deja Entendu. That has nothing to do with one of you starting out by saying "you kids are so freakin stupid" and the other one saying "I have to call 'bullshit' on some of you." You can sarcastically apologize for the vibe you give off, I don't care. I read your post and reacted to it. There's a right way to express your opinion and a wrong way. The wrong way is to dismiss others' or hold your own at a higher level. Believe in what you believe in, of course, but don't go around calling bullshit and telling people how they felt, feel, or should feel.

- Jeff


No, seriously...I doubt many of those people felt that way. (Those to whom I called "bullshit".) I can say that if I wish to do so. My apology was not sarcastic, so again, sorry you feel that way. And to address my calling "bullshit". The calling of "bullshit" only pertained to the first paragraph. I had hoped that people could figure that out due to the fact that I did not use the word, bullshit, later in the post, as well as the fact that I discontinued numbering my points after that first paragraph concerning my calling of "bullshit". You really do not have an argument. Yes, you could say that I was out of line when I said, "I have to call 'bullshit'....," but I only called into question those who have flip flopped ideas due to superficial reasoning. Again, I never said everyone was included, only those who had actually done such a thing. It didn't even pertain to those who had said Your Favorite Weapon was better than Tell All Your Friends, only those who have flipped flopped. But do please make an argument that Your Favorite Weapon has had the same impact on the "scene" that Tell All Your Friends has. That was my only other point, which could be looked at as logical reasoning. Anyway, I'm sure that you won't read this as you have said you were done talking this out. See, I really want to talk this out. You may be heated and typing furiously, but I am not. I am stating my case and you are stating yours. If this is really getting to you, then I will discontinue discussion. You have to understand, I am only defending myself.

Also, understand that I am having a hard time taking you seriously. You are talking about how I am waste of time, but YOU are the one who is holding himself higher in this situation, throwing insults. I could call you a hypocrite for the fact that you attacked me for what you saw as belittling, but belittlement has been a strong part of your argument. When you think about it, your case is null because your discussion and argumentative skills have completely contradicted your point. Don't try to act like you are doing me a favor by responding.

[benbjork]

but i still laugh everytime i think about the time i saw both of these bands in 2001 at the nanciraygun (anybody who lives in or around richmond knows how tiny this place is), and everybody left after taking back sunday, and there were like 10 kids there to see brand new headline.

you're a good man

[LPMagic]

No, seriously...I doubt many of those people felt that way. (Those to whom I called "bullshit".) I can say that if I wish to do so. My apology was not sarcastic, so again, sorry you feel that way. And to address my calling "bullshit". The calling of "bullshit" only pertained to the first paragraph. I had hoped that people could figure that out due to the fact that I did not use the word, bullshit, later in the post, as well as the fact that I discontinued numbering my points after that first paragraph concerning my calling of "bullshit". You really do not have an argument. Yes, you could say that I was out of line when I said, "I have to call 'bullshit'....," but I only called into question those who have flip flopped ideas due to superficial reasoning. Again, I never said everyone was included, only those who had actually done such a thing. It didn't even pertain to those who had said Your Favorite Weapon was better than Tell All Your Friends, only those who have flipped flopped. But do please make an argument that Your Favorite Weapon has had the same impact on the "scene" that Tell All Your Friends has. That was my only other point, which could be looked at as logical reasoning. Anyway, I'm sure that you won't read this as you have said you were done talking this out. See, I really want to talk this out. You may be heated and typing furiously, but I am not. I am stating my case and you are stating yours. If this is really getting to you, then I will discontinue discussion. You have to understand, I am only defending myself.

Also, understand that I am having a hard time taking you seriously. You are talking about how I am waste of time, but YOU are the one who is holding himself higher in this situation, throwing insults. I could call you a hypocrite for the fact that you attacked me for what you saw as belittling, but belittlement has been a strong part of your argument. When you think about it, your case is null because your discussion and argumentative skills have completely contradicted your point. Don't try to act like you are doing me a favor by responding.
I didn't call you a waste of time, I said you wasted your time. Which you just did again. If you want a response, refer to my last post since you clearly didn't read it correctly last time.

- Jeff

[smokedsanity]

I didn't call you a waste of time, I said you wasted your time. Which you just did again. If you want a response, refer to my last post since you clearly didn't read it correctly last time.

- Jeff

Haha, you really think highly of yourself. Please explain to me what I did not read correctly. I addressed your concerns, (The beginning and middle of my post), and added a concern of my own, (The end of my post). If you are saying that I didn't read correctly because I am responding to you even though it is a waste of my time, then you aren't thinking things through very well. You responded, so I didn't waste my time.

Oh, and this little statement "although if it's anything like talking to you, it'd be a waste of my time," implies that I am, and what I say is a waste of time. Call it a stretch if you wish, but not near as much of a stretch as your arguments. I can find more instances of belittlement, if you so wish for me to do so. Really, you are acting as if you are above me and have a good argument, but you do not. You keep telling me to read things again, perhaps you should take your own advice. I have more than explained myself, is that why you have resorted to condescension?

[LPMagic]

Hahaha, I can't take you seriously. Regurgitate vagueness to cover up your superiority complex some more. Sure, now you'll sit there and make me look like the bad guy, but this is all over you claiming your holier-than-thou opinion earlier. If you expect a response after this one, I can't give you one. I'm not trying to sound above you. That would refute anything I've been upset about. You said something, I reacted to it, and now you're saying I think highly of myself and my arguments are a stretch and blah blah blah. Let's bring it back to the basics...

I think Brand New's album will be better than Taking Back Sunday's album. That's my prediction. I don't care about Tell All Your Friends or Your Favorite Weapon or Where You Want to Be or Deja Entendu. I don't care what Jason Tate said or what Jared Kaufman said or what Scene Kid #4092 said. I enjoy Brand New's music more than Taking Back Sunday's music. That's not to say I don't enjoy Taking Back Sunday's music either, they're probably on my list of favorite 25 bands.

Having said all that, I respect everyone else's opinion and would never call bullshit or imply that they're wrong or make my opinion sound more right / worthy than theirs. It's music, favorites are based on preference and what type of sound and style you enjoy.

- Jeff

[smokedsanity]

Hahaha, I can't take you seriously. Regurgitate vagueness to cover up your superiority complex some more. Sure, now you'll sit there and make me look like the bad guy, but this is all over you claiming your holier-than-thou opinion earlier. If you expect a response after this one, I can't give you one. I'm not trying to sound above you. That would refute anything I've been upset about. You said something, I reacted to it, and now you're saying I think highly of myself and my arguments are a stretch and blah blah blah. Let's bring it back to the basics...

I think Brand New's album will be better than Taking Back Sunday's album. That's my prediction. I don't care about Tell All Your Friends or Your Favorite Weapon or Where You Want to Be or Deja Entendu. I don't care what Jason Tate said or what Jared Kaufman said or what Scene Kid #4092 said. I enjoy Brand New's music more than Taking Back Sunday's music. That's not to say I don't enjoy Taking Back Sunday's music either, they're probably on my list of favorite 25 bands.

Having said all that, I respect everyone else's opinion and would never call bullshit or imply that they're wrong or make my opinion sound more right / worthy than theirs. It's music, favorites are based on preference and what type of sound and style you enjoy.

- Jeff

Vagueness? What was vague? Please tell me what was vague in all that I have typed/said. I thought that I was being quite specific in what I said. Superiority complex? Wow, someone who has both a myspace and an online journal really wants to say that someone else has a superiority complex? Someone who is 21 years old, at that. I wasn't going to say anything about those until you decided that you would play Dr. Phil. Now, I had no holier-than-thou stance earlier. I voiced my opinion like everyone else. I said that SOME people were full of shit, are you going to tell me that NO ONE is? Then, I simply voiced my opinion about certain albums. After calling "bullshit" on one area of interest, I only offered thoughts and rebuttals to things which had been previously said in this discussion thread. Now, I am sorry that you took offense to what I said, but for someone who started this because he felt that I was out of line, you are very much out of line yourself. The pot calls the kettle black. I do hope for a response. And when you do, be sure to include examples of my "vagueness."

[chris22]

Brand New all the way. They get better with every album. Iexpect amazing things

[AFMKevin]

good question
but i have to say tbs
although jesse kills adam lyrically
ive heard parts of both and i like tbs better
but brand new should be great too
...if it ever comes out