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vandalroyale
04/02/06, 01:47 PM
Here is my current lineup (by position) of my All-Time Least Favorite Player Team:

C- Jorge Posada
1B - JT Snow
2B - Bret Boone
SS- Alex Rodriguez ( I know he's now at 3B, but oh well)
3B - Scott Brosius
LF - Albert Belle
CF - Ken Griffey Jr.
RF - Paul O'Neill
DH - Barry Bonds
Bench - Aaron Boone, Bernie Williams

P - Kenny Rogers, David Wells, Sidney Ponson
RP - Jeff Nelson

Manager - Joe Torre
Coaches - Dusty Baker, Ozzie Guillen

I know there are a few Yankees on here, and although I loathe them, these players were based solely on individual hate.

Flags of Dawn
04/02/06, 01:48 PM
the cubs...especially sammy sosa.

vandalroyale
04/02/06, 01:51 PM
the cubs...especially sammy sosa.

I'm not just talking about the team (cough*yankees*cough), but individual players...

Signals Corrupted
04/02/06, 01:52 PM
you're just sad because oregon has nothing.

Sureshot182
04/02/06, 01:54 PM
barry bonds, any yankee of anytime minus wade boggs, kerry wood, mark prior. that fills the positions.

Sureshot182
04/02/06, 01:55 PM
the cubs...especially sammy sosa.
right on.

Flags of Dawn
04/02/06, 01:55 PM
I'm not just talking about the team (cough*yankees*cough), but individual players...
fine...and BJ Surhoff.

vandalroyale
04/02/06, 01:57 PM
you're just sad because oregon has nothing.

Aha, I'm from Utah bitch...wait a sec...:'(

FondestMemory
04/02/06, 02:18 PM
c - darren daulton
1b - john kruk
2b - jeff kent
3b - ken caminiti
ss - travis fryman
of - joey belle
of - lenny dykstra
of- greg vaughn

p - mark langston, rob dibble, steve avery
closer - norm charlton / jose mesa

that's my all time list. i don't really hate a lot of players anymore.

Scott Weber
04/02/06, 02:51 PM
C- Mike Piazza
1B - Bill Buckner
2B - Chuck Knoblauch
SS - Derek Jeter
3B - Aaron Boone
OF - Barry Bonds
OF - Jose Canseco
OF - Bernie Williams
P - Mariano Rivera
P - Bobby Ayala
P - David Cone

vandalroyale
04/02/06, 03:10 PM
C- Mike Piazza
1B - Bill Buckner
2B - Chuck Knoblauch
SS - Derek Jeter
3B - Aaron Boone
OF - Barry Bonds
OF - Jose Canseco
OF - Bernie Williams
P - Mariano Rivera
P - Bobby Ayala
P - David Cone

i like the Rivera and Knoblauch picks-- i was gonna go with Rivera until someone said Jeff Nelson--- wow-- I could hate on Nelson all day

Scott Weber
04/02/06, 03:15 PM
i like the Rivera and Knoblauch picks-- i was gonna go with Rivera until someone said Jeff Nelson--- wow-- I could hate on Nelson all day
How come? I like Nelson.

unwritten
04/02/06, 03:18 PM
C- Mike Piazza
1B - Bill Buckner
2B - Chuck Knoblauch
SS - Derek Jeter
3B - Aaron Boone
OF - Barry Bonds
OF - Jose Canseco
OF - Bernie Williams
P - Mariano Rivera
P - Bobby Ayala
P - David Cone

aw, how could you hate Mariano?

Scott Weber
04/02/06, 03:26 PM
aw, how could you hate Mariano?
Think about that.

vandalroyale
04/02/06, 03:33 PM
How come? I like Nelson.

1st of all-- He is waaaaay too good on MVP '04 with the Rangers

vandalroyale
04/02/06, 03:37 PM
Is he back with Seattle again Scott? I know he was last year, but I thought he is in the NL now.

Edit-- Sorry, saw he's with the Cards

Scott Weber
04/02/06, 03:40 PM
1st of all-- He is waaaaay too good on MVP '04 with the Rangers
hahaha. i love how much movement his pitches have on them.

mikeford
04/02/06, 04:26 PM
HOW COULD ANYONE HATE KEN GRIFFEY JR?

fuck you dude.

vandalroyale
04/02/06, 04:32 PM
hahaha. i love how much movement his pitches have on them.

It's impossible-- i get so frustrated when Sweeney K's on a ridiculous slider. Or maybe I'm frustrated cause I'm a Royals fan...

vandalroyale
04/02/06, 04:35 PM
HOW COULD ANYONE HATE KEN GRIFFEY JR?

fuck you dude.

Come on...

He is currently getting way too much credit for his great years as a Mariner. I admit he was (was) great, but a 3 hole hitter for Team USA in the WBC??? Come on now

YouMadeTheScene
04/02/06, 04:36 PM
What is the hate based on? Like who hurt your team the most or because they are jerks?

kshtoinks12
04/02/06, 04:36 PM
yankees > any other team
*period*
and if ur not a sox fan and u hate the yankees, well, you're just a poser

vandalroyale
04/02/06, 04:43 PM
What is the hate based on? Like who hurt your team the most or because they are jerks?

Um...I guess neither... It's just the guys that have done something that has just made me not like them...sometimes i just can't explain the hatred...

Oh and everyone hurts the Royals.

mikeford
04/02/06, 05:30 PM
Come on...

He is currently getting way too much credit for his great years as a Mariner. I admit he was (was) great, but a 3 hole hitter for Team USA in the WBC??? Come on now

he hit like 6 homeruns in the wbc

hes the best centerfielder in baseball in the past like 50 years.

vandalroyale
04/02/06, 05:37 PM
he hit like 6 homeruns in the wbc

hes the best centerfielder in baseball in the past like 50 years.

He hit 3 homeruns-- granted he hit .530 in the classic, but Adam Stern (Canada) hit .667 [he hit .133 for the Red Sox in 2005].

Although he had a good WBC, I just can't like him...earring and all

selftitled85
04/02/06, 05:41 PM
HOW COULD ANYONE HATE KEN GRIFFEY JR?

fuck you dude.

the fact he gets injured every year.

i dont like manny ramirez, josh beckett, barry bonds, jeff kent, alex rodriguez


honestly how can people hate mariano rivera he single handedly has kept the yankees bullpen from self destructing. and after 10 years his splitter is still the best pitch in baseball.

Scott Weber
04/02/06, 05:43 PM
Yeah seriously, how could you hate Griffey? One of the only power hitters of his era who refused to use drugs, one of the best fielders of our era, constantly smiling, cracking jokes, a great citizen and part of local communities, he's never done a bad thing to anyone really, besides wanting out of Seattle after being there for like 11 years.

edit: You hate somebody because he became injury-prone after like 10 relatively injury free amazing years? Like he can control that...and he recovered and had a great year last year.

selftitled85
04/02/06, 05:48 PM
Yeah seriously, how could you hate Griffey? One of the only power hitters of his era who refused to use drugs, one of the best fielders of our era, constantly smiling, cracking jokes, a great citizen and part of local communities, he's never done a bad thing to anyone really, besides wanting out of Seattle after being there for like 11 years.

edit: You hate somebody because he became injury-prone after like 10 relatively injury free amazing years? Like he can control that...and he recovered and had a great year last year.


no. he has been on the reds for at least 3 or 4 years. and every year minus last year he had an injury. yes he had a great year last year but until he can play year in and year out i think he is not deserving of all his praise.

but yes i guess i can agree with that first paragraph.

but if you are going like that than hey...
how can you hate derek jeter? he isnt the best fielder but he can build a case for being the most clutch player in the last 20 or so years. he is constantly smiling and is one of the most consistent and competitive people on the field. he does a lot for the community and has never done steroids.

vandalroyale
04/02/06, 05:48 PM
C- Mike Piazza
1B - Bill Buckner
2B - Chuck Knoblauch
SS - Derek Jeter
3B - Aaron Boone
OF - Barry Bonds
OF - Jose Canseco
OF - Bernie Williams
P - Mariano Rivera
P - Bobby Ayala
P - David Cone

Tell me the reason you hate Buckner isn't just because of the play...

vandalroyale
04/02/06, 05:50 PM
Aaron Boone just got a hit...shit

mikeford
04/02/06, 05:51 PM
i cant believe people seriously wonder why people list yankees

are you on drugs? you do realize that the vast majority of people hate the yankees right?

therefore, its only natural to hate their players.

also, it should be noted that you can hate a player but still respect him.

i hate jeter but i respect how hard he plays the game every day.

selftitled85
04/02/06, 05:52 PM
i cant believe people seriously wonder why people list yankees

are you on drugs? you do realize that the vast majority of people hate the yankees right?

therefore, its only natural to hate their players.

also, it should be noted that you can hate a player but still respect him.

i hate jeter but i respect how hard he plays the game every day.


no but scott gave a rational reason why people shouldnt hate griffey. so i gave him a rational reason why people shouldnt hate jeter.

Flags of Dawn
04/02/06, 05:55 PM
i hate sammy sosa cause he thinks hes better than he is, and is a whining, excuse making quitter.

selftitled85
04/02/06, 05:59 PM
i hate hate hate barry bonds and all that he portrays. he is a juicer and a racist. he is so conceited and just an overall evil person.

i hate arod even though he is a yankee. no one deserves 300+ mil dollars. he is awful when the time comes to rise. and his play in the 04 playoffs game 7 vs boston was the most pussy thing ever.

vandalroyale
04/02/06, 05:59 PM
i cant believe people seriously wonder why people list yankees

are you on drugs? you do realize that the vast majority of people hate the yankees right?

therefore, its only natural to hate their players.

also, it should be noted that you can hate a player but still respect him.

i hate jeter but i respect how hard he plays the game every day.

Totally agree 100%

Flags of Dawn
04/02/06, 06:01 PM
and his play in the 04 playoffs game 7 vs boston was the most pussy thing ever.

i completely agree.

Scott Weber
04/02/06, 06:02 PM
no. he has been on the reds for at least 3 or 4 years. and every year minus last year he had an injury. yes he had a great year last year but until he can play year in and year out i think he is not deserving of all his praise.

but yes i guess i can agree with that first paragraph.

but if you are going like that than hey...
how can you hate derek jeter? he isnt the best fielder but he can build a case for being the most clutch player in the last 20 or so years. he is constantly smiling and is one of the most consistent and competitive people on the field. he does a lot for the community and has never done steroids.
Griffey DID play year in and year out healthy for 12 years, with 1 year of injury due to an insane against the wall grab he made. Griffey recieves praise because he's one of the best outfielders of the past 30 years, what he did for 11 years in Seattle, not his seasons with the Reds. He gets praise because he's a fucking LEGEND.

I hate Derek Jeter because he needs to get a damn haircut. I hate Jeter because he's like that all-american kid you hated in high school, the one who is always clapping even when your team is down by 30...I am so sick of seeing the Jeter-fistpump-from the dugout-move. He may be a great guy, but I get sick of his gusto and bravado on the field...and yes, I hate the Yankees, and that's part of it. No reason to pretend.

Tell me the reason you hate Buckner isn't just because of the play...
Why else would anybody hate Buckner?

Jesse2
04/02/06, 06:03 PM
no. he has been on the reds for at least 3 or 4 years. and every year minus last year he had an injury. yes he had a great year last year but until he can play year in and year out i think he is not deserving of all his praise.

Are you huffing paint? He played in 140+ games 9 out of 11 seasons between 1990-2000. His homeruns for those seasons were: 22, 22, 27, 45, 40, 17, 49, 56, 56, 48, 40. The only seasons he had less than 100 RBIs were the two seasons he didn't play over 140 games (111, 72).

It's almost as if you forgot his time with Seattle.

selftitled85
04/02/06, 06:04 PM
im pretty sure i remember a year griffey got injured in cincy during spring training by messing up his quad running out a ground ball and being knocked out for a couple months.

selftitled85
04/02/06, 06:05 PM
Are you huffing paint? He played in 140+ games 9 out of 11 seasons between 1990-2000. His homeruns for those seasons were: 22, 22, 27, 45, 40, 17, 49, 56, 56, 48, 40. The only seasons he had less than 100 RBIs were the two seasons he didn't play over 140 games (111, 72).

It's almost as if you forgot his time with Seattle.


i know about his stats in seattle. im strictly talking about his recent tenure in cincy.

Scott Weber
04/02/06, 06:06 PM
Are you huffing paint? He played in 140+ games 9 out of 11 seasons between 1990-2000. His homeruns for those seasons were: 22, 22, 27, 45, 40, 17, 49, 56, 56, 48, 40. The only seasons he had less than 100 RBIs were the two seasons he didn't play over 140 games (111, 72).

It's almost as if you forgot his time with Seattle.
Hahaha, and let's not forget that 1 of those seasons was the 1994 strike season of 111 games (in which he played in every single game) or whatever, and the 1995 season where he didn't play 140 games was a shortened season as well.

YouMadeTheScene
04/02/06, 06:06 PM
Manny
Pedro
Bonds
John Rocker
Jeff Nelson
Tejada
A-Rod
Carl Everett
Mike Piazza
Jeff Kent

I like how that first list had 11 yankees. The players I list I don't hate because any team affiliation, I just hate how they act, and so on. For example I like David Ortiz even though he fucking kills the Yanks.

Scott Weber
04/02/06, 06:06 PM
i know about his stats in seattle. im strictly talking about his recent tenure in cincy.
Time for you to address my post about why he gets praise

Jesse2
04/02/06, 06:06 PM
i know about his stats in seattle. im strictly talking about his recent tenure in cincy.

you said he didn't deserve praise until he proved that he could play year in and year out (aka almost his entire career as a Mariner).

selftitled85
04/02/06, 06:08 PM
Hahaha, and let's not forget that 1 of those seasons was the 1994 strike season of 111 games (in which he played in every single game) or whatever, and the 1995 season where he didn't play 140 games was a shortened season as well.


i know he was great at seattle. but im just saying that since he came to cincy he has pretty much been a shell of himself. last year he had a great year. if he can duplicate this year than yes you can start the love again. but until he proves his durability year in and year out now i think the greatest cf of the past 30 years is a little far fetched as i personally think jim edmonds is one of the best defensive cfs and has been much more durable.

GoWaitInTheCar
04/02/06, 06:09 PM
There is no baseball player that I can say, I hate with a passion. But there are many I can say I don't like.

Flags of Dawn
04/02/06, 06:10 PM
oh and i hate moises alou for peeing on his hands. thats sick.

selftitled85
04/02/06, 06:11 PM
since joining cincy in 2000 he has played over 100 games in a season 3 times.

with 2002-2004 he played 70-53-83 respectively.

Scott Weber
04/02/06, 06:14 PM
i know he was great at seattle. but im just saying that since he came to cincy he has pretty much been a shell of himself. last year he had a great year. if he can duplicate this year than yes you can start the love again. but until he proves his durability year in and year out now i think the greatest cf of the past 30 years is a little far fetched as i personally think jim edmonds is one of the best defensive cfs and has been much more durable.
Yeah, but Griffey's career began in 1989 while Edmonds didn't even play over 100 games until 1995...see where Edmond's body would be after all those extra years of abuse. Griffey DID prove his durability, in fact his stretch of durabiltity in Seattle is FAR more impressive than anything Edmonds has ever done... you should look at their stats...I mean shit, Griffey only missed 8 games over the course of THREE YEARS from 98-00, while averaging 53 homers a year. Edmonds has never even come close to doing that. And for the record, Edmonds makes great plays but he's not half the fielder Griffey was for 11 years...not even close. Griffey is so much faster and his range is far greater.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?statsId=5151

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=2148

Scott Weber
04/02/06, 06:15 PM
since joining cincy in 2000 he has played over 100 games in a season 3 times.

with 2002-2004 he played 70-53-83 respectively.
Yeah, in the 13th-15th years of his career. What player DOESN'T start to break down at that point?

vandalroyale
04/02/06, 06:27 PM
Yeah, in the 13th-15th years of his career. What player DOESN'T start to break down at that point?

Um...Barry Bonds...:(

mikeford
04/02/06, 06:38 PM
how could anyone hate carl everett? dude is a walking comedy show.

Scott Weber
04/02/06, 07:50 PM
:( I wanted a response, this debate is no fun

selftitled85
04/02/06, 07:52 PM
:( I wanted a response, this debate is no fun

sorry i was watching band of brothers.

you are right in the fact that in their 13-15 year they would start to break down. i understand that. and yes through the first 10+ years griffey played he was probably the best. but like you said...he is getting old. he does not deserve the money he is getting paid.

selftitled85
04/02/06, 08:00 PM
and about jim edmonds i know he is nowhere near kgj when it comes to offensive power.

but edmonds has shown to have very good range and has made some of the most fantastic plays overall.

vandalroyale
04/02/06, 08:10 PM
I'm thinking that if you had to put together a fantasy team this year-- Junior wouldn't be in the top 5 of center fielders...Given his recent demise from the player he was with the M's to now with the Reds. I know we are talking more then just a few years in the debate, but I think this is the case.

PS-- This is going to sound weird The one thing I did like about Griffey is that now that he is older he actually looks it. During the WBC he looked bigger, but not steroid bigger-- just a little thicker then normal. That shows the natural progressino of a person his age-- unlike a certain Barry Bonds. Just staying.

I'm weird

mikeford
04/02/06, 08:24 PM
fantasy baseball and real baseball arent the same fuckin thing, get the fuck outta here with that argument.


griffey rules. you guys hate america.

selftitled85
04/02/06, 08:45 PM
I'm thinking that if you had to put together a fantasy team this year-- Junior wouldn't be in the top 5 of center fielders...Given his recent demise from the player he was with the M's to now with the Reds. I know we are talking more then just a few years in the debate, but I think this is the case.

PS-- This is going to sound weird The one thing I did like about Griffey is that now that he is older he actually looks it. During the WBC he looked bigger, but not steroid bigger-- just a little thicker then normal. That shows the natural progressino of a person his age-- unlike a certain Barry Bonds. Just staying.

I'm weird


no no no. you got it all wrong. thats why you can pretty much tell bonds took steroids. bonds was a skinny, fast, yet very powerful player for most of his career. all of a sudden at like age 37 or 38 he got HUGE.

vandalroyale
04/02/06, 08:52 PM
no no no. you got it all wrong. thats why you can pretty much tell bonds took steroids. bonds was a skinny, fast, yet very powerful player for most of his career. all of a sudden at like age 37 or 38 he got HUGE.

thats what i meant...i dont think i said it very well-- i said that is how an aging ballplayer is supposed to be putting on thickness-- not crazy like bonds

vandalroyale
04/02/06, 08:53 PM
fantasy baseball and real baseball arent the same fuckin thing, get the fuck outta here with that argument.


griffey rules. you guys hate america.

harsh

BuriedAlive
04/02/06, 08:54 PM
Here is my current lineup (by position) of my All-Time Least Favorite Player Team:

C- Jorge Posada
1B - JT Snow
2B - Bret Boone
SS- Alex Rodriguez ( I know he's now at 3B, but oh well)
3B - Scott Brosius
LF - Albert Belle
CF - Ken Griffey Jr.
RF - Paul O'Neill
DH - Barry Bonds
Bench - Aaron Boone, Bernie Williams

P - Kenny Rogers, David Wells, Sidney Ponson
RP - Jeff Nelson

Manager - Joe Torre
Coaches - Dusty Baker, Ozzie Guillen

I know there are a few Yankees on here, and although I loathe them, these players were based solely on individual hate.


why Paul O'Neil? he was a real team player, he understood the game of baseball. Most are recent players too, but I guess I can't disagree.

vandalroyale
04/02/06, 08:56 PM
why Paul O'Neil? he was a real team player, he understood the game of baseball. Most are recent players too, but I guess I can't disagree.

Yeah i know most are recent-- I dont know as much about the older players so I can't pass a true judgment-- I dont know what it is about Paul o'Neill-- he just bothered me

Jonas900
04/02/06, 08:57 PM
Bonds, Bonds, Bonds

also Jeff Kent and A-Rod.

and Barry Bonds.

BuriedAlive
04/02/06, 09:13 PM
Yeah i know most are recent-- I dont know as much about the older players so I can't pass a true judgment-- I dont know what it is about Paul o'Neill-- he just bothered me
maybe it was the Yankee uni he wore =P

vandalroyale
04/02/06, 09:18 PM
maybe it was the Yankee uni he wore =P

Mebbe;)

Doug
04/02/06, 09:33 PM
griffey rules, how can you hate someone for not living up to their full potential for reasons beyond their control?

dude has been nothing but a class act for his entire career:
-asked out of seattle after 11 years to be closer to home/family
-took a small contract to do so
-go to a reds game away from cincinatti, he's the reds ambassador and it's really fun to watch him talk to everyone
-peter gammons loves him
-loves playing the game of baseball


i grew up in seattle, griffey's been my favorite baseball player and athlete ever since i was 3 years old when he started playing in 1989. in 1996, people in seattle chose griffey or a-rod as their favorite player, needless to say i've disliked alex rodriguez since 1996 when he was the cocky dickhead trying to dethrone griffey. i'm glad i picked griffey.

alex rodriguez is my least favorite player in the major leagues, and the only players comparable to him would be roger clemens, don mattingly, mark mcgwire, paul o'neill, wade boggs. it's not my fault most of those dudes played on the yankees because they sign everyone

vandalroyale
04/02/06, 09:41 PM
griffey rules, how can you hate someone for not living up to their full potential for reasons beyond their control?

dude has been nothing but a class act for his entire career:
-asked out of seattle after 11 years to be closer to home/family
-took a small contract to do so
-go to a reds game away from cincinatti, he's the reds ambassador and it's really fun to watch him talk to everyone
-peter gammons loves him
-loves playing the game of baseball


i grew up in seattle, griffey's been my favorite baseball player and athlete ever since i was 3 years old when he started playing in 1989. in 1996, people in seattle chose griffey or a-rod as their favorite player, needless to say i've disliked alex rodriguez since 1996 when he was the cocky dickhead trying to dethrone griffey. i'm glad i picked griffey.

alex rodriguez is my least favorite player in the major leagues, and the only players comparable to him would be roger clemens, don mattingly, mark mcgwire, paul o'neill, wade boggs. it's not my fault most of those dudes played on the yankees because they sign everyone

Gammons = God

Seriously

looksthatkillbn
04/02/06, 09:46 PM
Fernando Vina. Period.

The cocksucker consistently leaned into pitches, slid to take out fielders...such a dirty little piece of shit. Dear god I hate that cocksucker.

But he did do one good thing in his career. Leaning into a pitch and getting hit, Bobby Valentine went to the plate to argue, and FOX decided to make them my favorite network by doing their little "sounds of the field" segment at that point. I heard Bobby V drop three F-bombs on an umpire on a saturday afternoon on network television. Classic.

Scott Weber
04/02/06, 10:23 PM
and about jim edmonds i know he is nowhere near kgj when it comes to offensive power.

but edmonds has shown to have very good range and has made some of the most fantastic plays overall.
he's slower...that's why he HAS to make amazing plays. Griffey has always had enough speed to just get there.

mikeford
04/02/06, 10:37 PM
also, paul oniell is a crybaby.