obama and racism...he may be our president, but we'll treat him like any other ******

[open mind]

would mccain have had to face accusations of being a muslim (while dealing with a controversy over his CHRISTIAN pastor)....and is being a muslim such a bad thing that it should automatically disqualify you from being president?
would mccain have had to deal with the batshit charges that he wasn't born in the united states 6 months into his presidential term?
would mccain's political standing be causing an almost unprecedented increase in militant, racist movements?
would mccain be faced with accusations that he's taking our country away from us?

edit)i'm not prone to race baiting but has any other president ever been confronted with this sort of nonsense?

[The Summer Ends]

derp de derp politcs

[perceptrons]

Well McCain is white, so... I'm going to guess not.

[Skees]

In response to those questions, it's a toss up. It's America, we always find something to hate. If there was suspicious stuff, the left wing people would be all over it. Understandable point though.

[cory-182]

would mccain have had to face accusations of being a muslim (while dealing with a controversy over his CHRISTIAN pastor)....and is being a muslim such a bad thing that it should automatically disqualify you from being president?
would mccain have had to deal with the batshit charges that he wasn't born in the united states 6 months into his presidential term?
would mccain's political standing be causing an almost unprecedented increase in militant, racist movements?
would mccain be faced with accusations that he's taking our country away from us?

edit)i'm not prone to race baiting but has any other president ever been confronted with this sort of nonsense?

You're a reason why I hate liberals.

[applesandcyanid]

[QUOTE=cory-182;51692102]You're a reason why I hate liberals.[/QUOT

Yeah, logic sucks huh? Douche.

[xshady121]

Yes, all presidents have had their fair share of nonsense.

Just ask W Bush, Clinton, George Bush, Reagan, Carter etc etc.

[open mind]

Yes, all presidents have had their fair share of nonsense.

Just ask W Bush, Clinton, George Bush, Reagan, Carter etc etc.

there's nonsense and then there's nonsense.

there were legit beefs with everyone of those presidents that had at least some factual foundation.....the things i listed being thrown obama's way not so much.

[xshady121]

there's nonsense and then there's nonsense.

there were legit beefs with everyone of those presidents that had at least some factual foundation.....the things i listed being thrown obama's way not so much.

And if McCain won, Palin wouldn't have received any sexist remarks (just talking sexism here, not anything regarding her being obviously unqualified)? She was the target of many sexist remarks on these forums (and i think it's fair to say there is a higher intelligence among AP.net regarding politics than the general public).

McCain would have caught shit for being too old (which, similar to the race topic, does very little to gauge how effective a leader he is).

I think a bit better of a comparison would be Clinton in 92, when he was being criticized for having extra marital affairs in Arkansas. Or some of the stuff Bush caught was uncalled for (his intelligence for instance?)

It's just a lot more apparent when it's nonsense that challenges your viewpoint.

[open mind]

And if McCain won, Palin wouldn't have received any sexist remarks (just talking sexism here, not anything regarding her being obviously unqualified)? She was the target of many sexist remarks on these forums (and i think it's fair to say there is a higher intelligence among AP.net regarding politics than the general public).

McCain would have caught shit for being too old (which, similar to the race topic, does very little to gauge how effective a leader he is).

I think a bit better of a comparison would be Clinton in 92, when he was being criticized for having extra marital affairs in Arkansas. Or some of the stuff Bush caught was uncalled for (his intelligence for instance?)

It's just a lot more apparent when it's nonsense that challenges your viewpoint.

the only thing i can see as being discrimanatory would be some of the palin stuff.....the lady really is an idiot though.

no wasp president would ever be accused of being a gold durned muslam (while simultaneously being hounded for something his christian preacher said), no wasp would have to deal with the idea that he wasn't really born in america after providing proof of birth country. i suppose a wasp would see a rise in radical groups in an economic recession.....but i really don't see the whole "he's stealing our country" thing.

[SpacePunk]

would mccain have had to face accusations of being a muslim?
would mccain have had to deal with the batshit charges that he wasn't born in the united states 6 months into his presidential term?
would mccain's political standing be causing an almost unprecedented increase in militant, racist movements?
would mccain be faced with accusations that he's taking our country away from us?


1 - No, but mostly becasue he didn't have a Muslim stepfather.
2 - McCain wasn't born in the United States.
3 - Possibly.. people expected Obama to win (especially his supporters).. If an old WASP won again, there could have been uproar.
4 - Yes, by liberals.

[paper halo]

1 - No, but mostly becasue he didn't have a Muslim stepfather.

I like how you deleted the part after that from the post you quoted.

[open mind]

1 - No, but mostly becasue he didn't have a Muslim stepfather.
2 - McCain wasn't born in the United States.
3 - Possibly.. people expected Obama to win (especially his supporters).. If an old WASP won again, there could have been uproar.
4 - Yes, by liberals.

1-even if he did do you think the fact that he might be muslim would somehow have disqualified the man?
2-and it wouldn't even come up.
3-i could see militant groups sprouting up but not ones with racist agendas against white people.
4-thinking about it a little more you've probably got a point there.

[SpacePunk]

I like how you deleted the part after that from the post you quoted.

I didn't want to answer the "Is being a muslim is bad thing in a President?".. because I think it's pretty clear if he was an open muslim, he would not have even gotten through the primaries.

And the pastor thing is irrelevant in MY opinion.. I think Bush is a pretty good example of a fake-Christian running for President.

John Kerry was another.

[Praetor]

I'm not saying McCain deserves these crazy birther theories, but if a presidential candidate DOES deserve them, it's him. Since he technically wasn't born in the United States and there's evidence to prove it. I know he was born on a military installation and I know that technically makes him a citizen but still, he seems like easier fodder for conspiracy theorists than Obama. It's pretty obvious that the birther nonsense is rooted in racism since McCain didn't have to answer questions like these.

[xshady121]

I didn't want to answer the "Is being a muslim is bad thing in a President?".. because I think it's pretty clear if he was an open muslim, he would not have even gotten through the primaries.

And the pastor thing is irrelevant in MY opinion.. I think Bush is a pretty good example of a fake-Christian running President.

John Kerry was another.

How do you figure Bush is a "fake christian"?

[saysmydoctor]

I personally think the native-born clause is another shrine of racism within the constitution and needs to be eliminated.

[MyNameIsRoss]

This thread seems a few months late...

[SpacePunk]

I personally think the native-born clause is another shrine of racism within the constitution and needs to be eliminated.

I think it is more to do with Dual Allegiance.

Seeing as the President is serving the country, it is about ensuring that the United States has exclusive and absolute jurisdiction over said President.

[saysmydoctor]

I didn't say he shouldn't be a citizen of the US. You can be born in another and eventually become a citizen of the US. It happens all the time.

What your saying is like denouncing a mexican immigrant who is a US citizen for still holding onto their culture. Are they dually allegiant? What is the US but a nation of immigrants.

[J.C.]

I didn't think anyone expected the racists to go quietly. It was their plan all along to hide behind manufactured issues that questioned Obama's legitimacy.

[J.C.]

I didn't say he shouldn't be a citizen of the US. You can be born in another and eventually become a citizen of the US. It happens all the time.

What your saying is like denouncing a mexican immigrant who is a US citizen for still holding onto their culture. Are they dually allegiant? What is the US but a nation of immigrants.

You were only 'created equal' if your birth took place in U.S. territory. Duh.

[mattmatumbo]

I feel like for the most part, the shit that Obama is catching is from the far right wing. I'm not 100% sure, but to take into consideration that a lot of the people protesting at these Town Hall meetings are wearing Lynard Skynad shirts with Confederate Flags on them. That's just what i've seen. Also from Glenn Beck, Grasseley and Palin, they are all very much christian conservatives. I think that is where the hatred stems from with the "birthers" and such.

Also, how many people are skeptical of the place of birth of Obama? I remember the "truthers" being nothing more than crazy conspiracy theorists, but it seems like the "birthers" are straight up normal christians. I guess it all depends on who is looking for a fault in who.

I also think the sheer fact that he's the first black president is causing problems for conservatives, after all it is called the White House.

[Codi23]

People would have just hated McCain because he's old :shrug:. There's always something to find in a president to be critical of, and some idiot will stoop to that level and cause a movement.

The issues should be the concern.

[Kevin Lazaroff]

You're a reason why I hate liberals.

listen, sadly it is true. Obama has been unfairly treated ever since he entered the white house.
- 1st off, the issue of him "being Muslim" is A NON ISSUE. Aside from the fact that he isn't, it is stupid to base one's vote on religious affiliation seeing as our country was founded on a freedom of religion. I personally can't wait for an athiest president! I think it is time that we had somebody in office with a logical perspective on existence, leaving their policies unaffected by the idiotic standards and ideologies of a made up religion (this goes for ALL religions).
- 2nd off, the questioning of Obama's presidential legitimacy as pertaining to the validity of his birth certificate is a completely made up issue! Do some fucking research before you believe to the ignorant news that you hear on Fox News.
-3rd, the fact that you are totally closed off to any "liberal ideals" shows that you are an unintelligent person. Any person whose political beliefs follow party lines can not fully benefit from the wonders that a two party system of government brings.
I put in hours and hours of work to get Obama elected, and as of right now I am dissapointed with the results. Yes, he has completely changed the mood in DC, along with the world's perspective of our country. However, I'm looking for REAL CHANGE, and i think in order to get it, we need an agressive liberal who adimentally stands for: pro-choice, gay marriage, health care revolutionization (not reform), and a strong education policy.

[jeremypeele]

who is obama? i'm confused.

[Kevin Lazaroff]

And if McCain won, Palin wouldn't have received any sexist remarks (just talking sexism here, not anything regarding her being obviously unqualified)? She was the target of many sexist remarks on these forums (and i think it's fair to say there is a higher intelligence among AP.net regarding politics than the general public).

McCain would have caught shit for being too old (which, similar to the race topic, does very little to gauge how effective a leader he is).

I think a bit better of a comparison would be Clinton in 92, when he was being criticized for having extra marital affairs in Arkansas. Or some of the stuff Bush caught was uncalled for (his intelligence for instance?)

It's just a lot more apparent when it's nonsense that challenges your viewpoint.

you brought up a few decent points, however I completely disagree with you with what you said about the questioning of Bush's intelligence "uncalled for". It is obvious that Bush was an idiot. Let's not beat around the bush, the main had a poor grasp on the English language, put an illogical education program into effect (No Child Left Behind), and was just generally stupid.

[Kevin Lazaroff]

I personally think the native-born clause is another shrine of racism within the constitution and needs to be eliminated.
I never thought about that before, but that is an excellent point! Racism exists today in so many unseen ways. Why does somebody's country of origin matter, as long as they have gone through the appropriate channels to become an American citizen?

[mattmatumbo]

I agree, but i understand that we want American born presidents to make sure that their allegiance is to the ol' Red, White and Blue. Although any person who is nationalized can run for Governor and such, it is a little hypocritical.

[Machu505]

I think President is a little more important than oh say Governor of Montana haha.

[Smash Adams]

You don't think any protestants were like JFK's a filthy catholic and Jackie O's a whore

[God damner]

Anyone who believes this extra bullshit Barack Obama is dealing with,(insanity from coming from fundamentalist extremists), is not the result of bigotry is in denial. Now not to say there aren't legitimet claims to be made against a president, but all the way from a "terrorist fist bump" to "death panels"....come on...give a brother a break and except the fact that a black man has to clean up a white christians mess.

[sayyes]

Race issues with the first black president of the United States? WOW

[mattmatumbo]

I think President is a little more important than oh say Governor of Montana haha.

True, good point. I think that only Americans should be able to run for presidency. After all they're going to run America.

[xshady121]

I personally think the native-born clause is another shrine of racism within the constitution and needs to be eliminated.
I agree with you. There have been plenty of minds that would have made great leaders. Kissinger comes to mind.

you brought up a few decent points, however I completely disagree with you with what you said about the questioning of Bush's intelligence "uncalled for". It is obvious that Bush was an idiot. Let's not beat around the bush, the main had a poor grasp on the English language, put an illogical education program into effect (No Child Left Behind), and was just generally stupid.

Just because someone speaks poorly, does not mean they aren't intelligent. Conversely, just because someone speaks rather eloquently doesn't make them intelligent either.

Posters like this are almost as uncalled for as the pictures of Obama in a turban. The only difference is it is cool to hate Bush, but the same people who think that are the same ones calling foul when people hate on Obama (for equally as dumb reasons).

http://www.postergods.com/bcreative-caveman-president-monkey-poster-24-x36---9044.html

[xshady121]

You don't think any protestants were like JFK's a filthy catholic and Jackie O's a whore

Exactly. Presidents have put up with nonsense criticism for as long as the office has been around. I'm sure Andrew Johnson caught shit for being a southerner after the civil war.

[Machu505]

True, good point. I think that only Americans should be able to run for presidency. After all they're going to run America.
My fellow socialists aren't gonna agree, but I feel the exact same way.

[Kevin Lazaroff]

I agree with you. There have been plenty of minds that would have made great leaders. Kissinger comes to mind.



Just because someone speaks poorly, does not mean they aren't intelligent. Conversely, just because someone speaks rather eloquently doesn't make them intelligent either.

Posters like this are almost as uncalled for as the pictures of Obama in a turban. The only difference is it is cool to hate Bush, but the same people who think that are the same ones calling foul when people hate on Obama (for equally as dumb reasons).

http://www.postergods.com/bcreative-caveman-president-monkey-poster-24-x36---9044.html

i dont know if you read my response to this dude who wrote "this is why i hate liberals", but I do know what I'm talking about. And it wasn't just Bush's speaking that made him stupid, it was the instances like the upside-down book, the binoculars with the cap on, his incapability to make rational decisions in times of peril. The list goes on forever, so before commenting and saying that i don't know what i'm talking about, do your homework and look at EVERYTHING that i've posted in the thread.

[xshady121]

i dont know if you read my response to this dude who wrote "this is why i hate liberals", but I do know what I'm talking about.
never said you didn't
And it wasn't just Bush's speaking that made him stupid, it was the instances like the upside-down book, the binoculars with the cap on,
All of those are insignificant items that were blown out of proportion. You know, like Obama's 57 states.
The list goes on forever, so before commenting and saying that i don't know what i'm talking about,
Never said that. Quit putting words in my mouth.
do your homework and look at EVERYTHING that i've posted in the thread.
Take a chill pill bud.

You said he had a poor grasp on the english language. Once again, being a poor public speaker does NOT mean you are "just plain stupid". Just because you don't agree with his policies doesn't mean he's stupid for enacting them.

[mattmatumbo]

My fellow socialists aren't gonna agree, but I feel the exact same way.

Don't get me wrong, from what i've heard about socialism i think it's the better way, for me at least. I simply don't know a lot about it so i've been perusing these forums trying to figure out. I refuse to study socialism on wikipedia but i don't know where else to look at info on it.

Any ideas?

[ghsNICK!]

You're a reason why I hate liberals.
This

[Praetor]

Don't get me wrong, from what i've heard about socialism i think it's the better way, for me at least. I simply don't know a lot about it so i've been perusing these forums trying to figure out. I refuse to study socialism on wikipedia but i don't know where else to look at info on it.

Any ideas?
Robert Owen - A New View of Society

edit: I just skimmed through the Wiki article on Socialism and it does a decent job of giving a very broad outline on socialism as a concept. One of the biggest things to remember about socialism is that it's not a monolithic idea; there are a TON of different schools of thought when it comes to socialism. Reform vs. revolution, authoritarian vs. libertarian, etc. etc. Try reading up on socialism/communism at marxists.org

[SLOWPOKE LOPEZ]

i dont know if you read my response to this dude who wrote "this is why i hate liberals", but I do know what I'm talking about. And it wasn't just Bush's speaking that made him stupid, it was the instances like the upside-down book, the binoculars with the cap on, his incapability to make rational decisions in times of peril. The list goes on forever, so before commenting and saying that i don't know what i'm talking about, do your homework and look at EVERYTHING that i've posted in the thread.
wtf.

[Manicapathy]

would mccain have had to face accusations of being a muslim (while dealing with a controversy over his CHRISTIAN pastor)....and is being a muslim such a bad thing that it should automatically disqualify you from being president?
would mccain have had to deal with the batshit charges that he wasn't born in the united states 6 months into his presidential term?
would mccain's political standing be causing an almost unprecedented increase in militant, racist movements?
would mccain be faced with accusations that he's taking our country away from us?

edit)i'm not prone to race baiting but has any other president ever been confronted with this sort of nonsense?
http://images5.cafepress.com/product/326005185v3_350x350_Front.jpg

[paper halo]

This

Good input. Care to elaborate?

[TK]

I think it's ridiculous to assume all the negative comments and actions against Obama are because of his race. Sure, a portion of America are against him because of the color of his skin, but this negativity against him is also caused by discrimination and fear of middle easterns and the belief he is one, disagreement in policy and political beliefs, and religious beliefs.

[Machu505]

Don't get me wrong, from what i've heard about socialism i think it's the better way, for me at least. I simply don't know a lot about it so i've been perusing these forums trying to figure out. I refuse to study socialism on wikipedia but i don't know where else to look at info on it.

Any ideas?
I would suggest some of the works and essays of George Orwell. A common misconception is that he was opposed to socialism, but this is far from the truth. The Communist Manifesto is a must too. I'd also recommend reading up on early 20th century socialists like Eugene Debs. Otherwise, I'm frankly not a very intellectual socialist. I take the common sense approach and my ideas fit into the frame of socialism.

[Love As Arson]

Don't get me wrong, from what i've heard about socialism i think it's the better way, for me at least. I simply don't know a
lot about it so i've been perusing these forums trying to figure out. I refuse to study socialism on wikipedia but i don't know where else to look at info on it.

Any ideas?

http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/index.htm
http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/index.htm
http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/index.htm
http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/index.htm
http://marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1900/reform-revolution/index.htm
http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1924/xx/bureaucracy.htm
http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1930/hrr/index.htm
http://marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/index.htm
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/
http://marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/history/index.htm
http://socialistworker.org/
http://isreview.org/
http://wsws.org/
http://libcom.org/

[saysmydoctor]

Read Noam Chomsky, as well.

[sargentlgfuad]

Also from Glenn Beck, Grasseley and Palin, they are all very much christian conservatives. I think that is where the hatred stems from with the "birthers" and such.
Glenn Beck's a mormon just to let you know.

[cory-182]

listen, sadly it is true. Obama has been unfairly treated ever since he entered the white house.
- 1st off, the issue of him "being Muslim" is A NON ISSUE. Aside from the fact that he isn't, it is stupid to base one's vote on religious affiliation seeing as our country was founded on a freedom of religion. I personally can't wait for an athiest president! I think it is time that we had somebody in office with a logical perspective on existence, leaving their policies unaffected by the idiotic standards and ideologies of a made up religion (this goes for ALL religions).
- 2nd off, the questioning of Obama's presidential legitimacy as pertaining to the validity of his birth certificate is a completely made up issue! Do some fucking research before you believe to the ignorant news that you hear on Fox News.
-3rd, the fact that you are totally closed off to any "liberal ideals" shows that you are an unintelligent person. Any person whose political beliefs follow party lines can not fully benefit from the wonders that a two party system of government brings.
I put in hours and hours of work to get Obama elected, and as of right now I am dissapointed with the results. Yes, he has completely changed the mood in DC, along with the world's perspective of our country. However, I'm looking for REAL CHANGE, and i think in order to get it, we need an agressive liberal who adimentally stands for: pro-choice, gay marriage, health care revolutionization (not reform), and a strong education policy.

Obama received so many votes simply because he was black. I'm not getting into this argument.

He's ruining what has made America the superpower that it is up until this point. You win.

Who in their right mind would want to model their country after France? Seriously? I thought France was always chasing after us.

[paper halo]

Obama received so many votes simply because he was black. I'm not getting into this argument.

Because you'll lose?

He's ruining what has made America the superpower that it is up until this point. You win.

Elaborate.

Who in their right mind would want to model their country after France? Seriously? I thought France was always chasing after us.

I'm guessing you think most of the world wants to be like America?

I'm also guessing you know next to nothing about France.

[Machu505]

I want to be like France. :-(

[saysmydoctor]

Obama received so many votes simply because he was black. I'm not getting into this argument.

He's ruining what has made America the superpower that it is up until this point. You win.

Who in their right mind would want to model their country after France? Seriously? I thought France was always chasing after us.
Explain to me what the purpose of the superpower. Shoving its agenda down the globe's throat? Let him destroy those things.

And yes, I am in my right mind and the French welfare state looks far more desirable than the US' current make up.

[PenThrive]

To be honest, the heat Obama is taking should have been expected. A major change occurred on election night. In a country of traditional politics, there will be adversity, but know that Obama is not the first president to endure such atrocities. He knew, being the first black president, that some would raise hell and oppose. You can't please all the people all the time. Whenever a Republican came into office, the liberals protested. It's all a part of freedom of speech, and some will use that freedom to speak in opposition of the current authority and/or what they feel is right. This is nothing new here...really.

[PenThrive]

Don't get me wrong, from what i've heard about socialism i think it's the better way, for me at least. I simply don't know a lot about it so i've been perusing these forums trying to figure out. I refuse to study socialism on wikipedia but i don't know where else to look at info on it.

Any ideas?

Go to your public library's website and search "Socialism."

[RiCCioLi]

I dont do politics, but your title made me chuckle

[mattmatumbo]

Glenn Beck's a mormon just to let you know.

Oh yeah? Ask a mormon what they are, Christian is what they'll tell you, not mormon. I'm from Utah, i know the hoops they jump through.

[mattmatumbo]

Go to your public library's website and search "Socialism."

Merci a toi. ;-)

[Justin_stacy]

1-even if he did do you think the fact that he might be muslim would somehow have disqualified the man?
2-and it wouldn't even come up.
3-i could see militant groups sprouting up but not ones with racist agendas against white people.
4-thinking about it a little more you've probably got a point there.

...actually it was first brought up all the way back in the run up to the '00 election, when he was the percieved front runner.

[Kevin Lazaroff]

Obama received so many votes simply because he was black. I'm not getting into this argument.

He's ruining what has made America the superpower that it is up until this point. You win.

Who in their right mind would want to model their country after France? Seriously? I thought France was always chasing after us.
first off, your reasoning is idiotic.
He did not receive so many votes because he was black. He received so many votes because of the political issues that he spoke about with charisma. Not to mention the fact that he's an amazing public speaker.

2nd, another reason he won was because Sarah Palin was an absolute idiot. Many Republicans didn't vote at all because they didn't want Obama OR Sarah Palin the White House.

3rd, How is he ruining this country? He hasn't passed any legislation yet that would anyway drastically change the way this country, except for the Stimulus Package which... I don't know, saved our country from another depression.

4th, Obama is NOT MODELING OUR COUNTRY AFTER FRANCE!!! you're obviously one of those ignorant, ultra conservative dumb asses, because mainly, FRANCE IS OUR ALLIE! additionally, Obama is not even modeling our healthcare system after France. France has universal healthcare, and they happen to be in the top ten ranking in the world for both health care, and life expectancy, while America stands 37, and 50 respectivly. Obama is not pushing universal healthcare (which he should because it has been proven in so many cases that free healthcare is the best and most efficient. he is pushing a government run healthcare program, that would be more affordable for the 50 MILLION AMERICANS THAT DON'T HAVE IT. that means that you can still keep your healthcare plan from one of the private corporations, that will drop you if you ever get really really sick, while I will switch to the government plan that won't bail on you because you get cancer, BUT TRY TO CURE YOU!!! there, both you're happy and I'm happy. This healthcare reform won't even affect you if you don't want it to, so stop your bitching and find the facts out before you come on this site and produce outrageously unwarranted statements!

[Krs-One]

This thread is retarded. Who the fuck cares about McCain and Obama. They're owned by the same people and you're gonna get what's coming to you.

[tstick18]

first off, your reasoning is idiotic.
He did not receive so many votes because he was black. He received so many votes because of the political issues that he spoke about with charisma. Not to mention the fact that he's an amazing public speaker.

2nd, another reason he won was because Sarah Palin was an absolute idiot. Many Republicans didn't vote at all because they didn't want Obama OR Sarah Palin the White House.

3rd, How is he ruining this country? He hasn't passed any legislation yet that would anyway drastically change the way this country, except for the Stimulus Package which... I don't know, saved our country from another depression.

4th, Obama is NOT MODELING OUR COUNTRY AFTER FRANCE!!! you're obviously one of those ignorant, ultra conservative dumb asses, because mainly, FRANCE IS OUR ALLIE! additionally, Obama is not even modeling our healthcare system after France. France has universal healthcare, and they happen to be in the top ten ranking in the world for both health care, and life expectancy, while America stands 37, and 50 respectivly. Obama is not pushing universal healthcare (which he should because it has been proven in so many cases that free healthcare is the best and most efficient. he is pushing a government run healthcare program, that would be more affordable for the 50 MILLION AMERICANS THAT DON'T HAVE IT. that means that you can still keep your healthcare plan from one of the private corporations, that will drop you if you ever get really really sick, while I will switch to the government plan that won't bail on you because you get cancer, BUT TRY TO CURE YOU!!! there, both you're happy and I'm happy. This healthcare reform won't even affect you if you don't want it to, so stop your bitching and find the facts out before you come on this site and produce outrageously unwarranted statements!

1. He received tons of votes because of his race and speaking ability, neither of those things have anything to do with your ability to run a country.

2. Please explain to me how Palin is an idiot.

3. Something like 5% of the stimulus money has been used. The American people are getting us out of the recession, not the government.

4. I have an uncle currently dieing of cancer in Canada, it will be 6 more months before it will be his turn to start chemo. Sign me up for government healthcare!

[Krs-One]

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
- Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802).

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
- Abraham Lincoln, Letter to (Col.) William F. Elkins, Nov. 21, 1864.

"...This is not confined to some of the state governments and those of some of the towns and cities. We know that something intervenes between the people of the United States and the control of their own affairs at Washington. It is not the people who have been ruling there of late."
- Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom: A Call For the Emancipation of the Generous Energies of a People (1961).

There are cities everywhere, in every part of the land, in which we feel that, not the interests of the public, but the interests of special privileges, of selfish men, are served; where contracts take precedence over public interest. Not only in big cities is this the case. Have you not noticed the growth of socialistic sentiment in the smaller towns?"
- Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom: A Call For the Emancipation of the Generous Energies of a People (1961).

Politics in America is in a case which sadly requires attention. The system set up by our law and our usage doesn't work,--or at least it can't be depended on; it is made to work only by a most unreasonable expenditure of labor and pains. The government, which was designed for the people, has got into the hands of bosses and their employers, the special interests. An invisible empire has been set up above the forms of democracy."
- Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom: A Call For the Emancipation of the Generous Energies of a People (1961).
Um... could be be referring to THE PRIVATE BANK that all of our founding father's (especially Andrew Jackson) and even our late Presidents such as John F. Kennedy warned us about? Kennedy essentially stopped the Federal Reserve (CENTRAL PRIVATE BANK OF AMERICA NO GOVERNMENT AFFILIATION.Getting the picture?) with Executive order 11110 (go read up on it). Three months later he was assassinated.

TIMOTHY GEITHNER IS YOUR SECRETARY OF TREASURY. WALL STREET HAS TAKEN OVER MAIN STREET IN BROAD DAYLIGHT.

Our Presidents have been trying to warn us for a very long time, but just stay terrified and give up your civil liberties. Seems to be all the rage lately.

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government"

"1. From bondage to spiritual faith;

2. From spiritual faith to great courage;

3. From courage to liberty;

4. From liberty to abundance;

5. From abundance to complacency;

6. From complacency to apathy;

7. From apathy to dependence; (just look at the past 40 years)

8. From dependence back into bondage"

Please understand history repeats itself. If you want to take a look at what will eventually happen to a Democracy just look at ROME. That's your best example. In the end Freedom will win out. Tyranny never goes away... even in TODAY'S word. So it's time to wake up to that fact :/

"Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day."

"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country."
-Thomas Jefferson

FYI - We've had the longest standing Democracy to date.

[tehdangerdave]

2. Please explain to me how Palin is an idiot.


I'm not him, but: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_palin_health_care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokTjEdaUGg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9go38MgZ4w8
http://wonkette.com/403027/sarah-palin-idiotically-answers-four-questions#more-403027

Do you want me to keep going?

Oh and lol at her college education:
After attending five different colleges in a six year span of time, she received a B.S. in communications with an emphasis in journalism from the University of Idaho in May 1987.

[UnderMyDreams]

You're a reason why I hate liberals.

You're the reason we hate conservatives ;-)

[UnderMyDreams]

1. He received tons of votes because of his race and speaking ability, neither of those things have anything to do with your ability to run a country.

2. Please explain to me how Palin is an idiot.

3. Something like 5% of the stimulus money has been used. The American people are getting us out of the recession, not the government.

4. I have an uncle currently dieing of cancer in Canada, it will be 6 more months before it will be his turn to start chemo. Sign me up for government healthcare!

1. So he should be disqualified because he has a good speaking ability? You DO realize he lost a ton of votes because of his race. That has nothing to do with how to run a country. Just so you know, that one goes both ways very much. You can't sit and say "He got votes because he spoke well so he won." You sound like a complete tool by saying that, fyi. I'm so tired of that one. It's just a dumb excuse like it means anything. If there's people who vote based on that, fine. It's a free country, we CAN do what we want.

2. Please explain to me how Palin is not an idiot. She's very very much proved herself worthy of the term.

3. Both have a part, the government are very much helping. That's a fact that people like to ignore. And you clearly don't understand the stimulus money thing. Everyone knew we weren't going to use it all right away. But it puts money back into our hands.

4. You have proven again you don't know your facts, and shown that you don't know what's up with the healthcare bill. It's people like you that I can't stand.\It's not going to be at all like Canada. But you can sit here and pretend if it makes you feel better. Also, you can sit here and go against saving people who cannot afford to save themselves. Why don't YOU put up the money to save people? No? Then let 'em die because of their financial situation? Is that better? Get off Fox News for a minute and learn about what's ACTUALLY HAPPENING.

[Kevin Lazaroff]

1. He received tons of votes because of his race and speaking ability, neither of those things have anything to do with your ability to run a country.

2. Please explain to me how Palin is an idiot.

3. Something like 5% of the stimulus money has been used. The American people are getting us out of the recession, not the government.

4. I have an uncle currently dieing of cancer in Canada, it will be 6 more months before it will be his turn to start chemo. Sign me up for government healthcare!

1. He was elected on the issues. Many people called him "the best candidate in years". He was endorsed by many newspapers, magazines, and televisions channels because of the ISSUES. He promoted charter schools, clean air technology, healthcare reform, pro-choice, education reform in general, and strengthened foreign policy with countries like Iran, along with meetings with North Korea.

2. Palin is undoubtedly the dumbest presidential/vice-presidential candidate of all time. First off, she tried to run the entire campaign off of the "Joe the Plumber" issue (for taxing people with an income of $250,000 or more). To bad she didn't realize that he made LESS than 250,000 and wasn't even an authorized plumber. That was very stupid, seeing as she focused on this more than the ISSUES. She claimed that she had "foreign policy experience" because Alaska is near Russia. I live near Canada, but I don't know shit about foreign policy BECAUSE OF THAT. Additionally, she couldn't name a single court case aside from Roe vs. Wade, showing that she does not have a clue as to the history of our country (http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/sarahpalinvideos/youtube/palin-supreme.htm) (http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/sarahpalinvideos/youtube/palin-supreme.htm%29).

3. I see that you're not letting the truth and facts get in way of your arguement. Almost ALL of the stimulus money has been spent. If Obama did not pass the stimulus bill and did not bail out AIG and Merril Lynch, our country would be in a FAR worse situation than we are now. Obama has taken us from under 7,000 points in Dow Jones Industrial Average, to its current state of almost 9,500. That doesn't happen by luck! The "people" couldn't have kept AIG from going under, the government needed to step in and THEY DID!!!

4. If you already have healthcare with a private corporation, YOU CAN KEEP IT!!! It's annoying to listen to you speak about something you have no idea what you're talking about. With this government run plan, the 50 million Americans without healthcare will be able to get it. This way they can have a chance to live if they get cancer. You and the rest of your ultra conservative, jesus freak friends can keep your crappy ineffiecient care with the private companies! BTW CANADA IS RANKED WAAAAAAAAAYYYYY ABOVE THE UNITED STATES IN HEALTHCARE RANKINGS AND LIFE EXPECTANCY!!!! this shows that even after your uncle dies, he will have probably lived LONGER than he would have if he lived in America his entire life.

Learn the facts, and stop watching Fox News!

[Duexy]

this shows that even after your uncle dies (and i celebrate), he will have probably lived LONGER than he would have if he lived in America his entire life.

Learn the facts, and stop watching Fox News!



=\

[tstick18]

1. So he should be disqualified because he has a good speaking ability? You DO realize he lost a ton of votes because of his race. That has nothing to do with how to run a country. Just so you know, that one goes both ways very much. You can't sit and say "He got votes because he spoke well so he won." You sound like a complete tool by saying that, fyi. I'm so tired of that one. It's just a dumb excuse like it means anything. If there's people who vote based on that, fine. It's a free country, we CAN do what we want.

2. Please explain to me how Palin is not an idiot. She's very very much proved herself worthy of the term.

3. Both have a part, the government are very much helping. That's a fact that people like to ignore. And you clearly don't understand the stimulus money thing. Everyone knew we weren't going to use it all right away. But it puts money back into our hands.

4. You have proven again you don't know your facts, and shown that you don't know what's up with the healthcare bill. It's people like you that I can't stand.\It's not going to be at all like Canada. But you can sit here and pretend if it makes you feel better. Also, you can sit here and go against saving people who cannot afford to save themselves. Why don't YOU put up the money to save people? No? Then let 'em die because of their financial situation? Is that better? Get off Fox News for a minute and learn about what's ACTUALLY HAPPENING.

1. lol Settle down, I'm not saying he won because of his race or speaking ability. Just from talking to my friends around election time, it was obvious that he was the cool choice for people to make.

2. Well before the election she had one of the highest approval ratings of any governor in the States. She ran one of the most, if not the most, profitable state. And she closed the deal in securing one of the largest energy projects of all time, a natural gas pipeline, funded completely by the private sector. It seems like she is doing something right.

3. How does me saying that only 5% of the funds have been used mean I don't understand the stimulus money?

4. It may not be exactly the same as the Canadian system but the general idea is the same. We have more people than Canada and are in way more debt. How can we possibly run a better universal system?

[astrum]

The stimulus is a joke. Saved the country? Give me a break.

It just gave extra money to people who did not deserve it, thus giving people the idea that the government can rescue them whenever they foolishly spend their money. Obama has very socialistic policies, that is undeniable. I'm not calling the man a communist or a socialist or anything, but his policies are very socialistic. The government WILL NOT/ CAN NOT save anyone.

The government should not be giving away money it doesn't have to people who don't deserve it.


Also, Palin was not an idiot. You just got her confused with that lady that looked like her on SNL.

[tehdangerdave]

Also, Palin was not an idiot. You just got her confused with that lady that looked like her on SNL.

I'm not him, but: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_palin_health_care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokTjEdaUGg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9go38MgZ4w8
http://wonkette.com/403027/sarah-palin-idiotically-answers-four-questions#more-403027

Do you want me to keep going?

Oh and lol at her college education:

Sure about that?

[Machu505]

The idiots have invaded the Politics Forum, I see. The stimulus didn't work? Obama has socialistic policies? Sarah Palin is not an idiot? Obama won because he was black?

All news to me.

[RuckerPark]

would mccain have had to face accusations of being a muslim (while dealing with a controversy over his CHRISTIAN pastor)....and is being a muslim such a bad thing that it should automatically disqualify you from being president?
would mccain have had to deal with the batshit charges that he wasn't born in the united states 6 months into his presidential term?
would mccain's political standing be causing an almost unprecedented increase in militant, racist movements?
would mccain be faced with accusations that he's taking our country away from us?

edit)i'm not prone to race baiting but has any other president ever been confronted with this sort of nonsense?
the first question. No, he would not, but then again, he doesn't have ties to the muslim world. Also he hasn't embraced the muslim faith. So that question is just stupid.
2nd Question: Christian, pastor yes, but that has nothing to do with why he was controversial. He was controversial because he said "God Damn America" I don't care what religion he was, that's simply not tolerated.
3rd Question: It's not bad if he were muslim, i have no problem with that, but the fact that he would claim to be Christian and practice the muslim faith would be contradictory, and reason to be upset (again, i think he's a christian, not a muslim).
4th Question: No, he wouldn't. He would freely show his birth certificate though, so again...kinda dumb question there.
5th Question: Really?
6th Question: No, McCain honestly wouldn't try anything to radical, but where are you trying to find that Obama is trying to take our country away from us? besides right wing nut jobs/extremists, nobody believes that.

[RuckerPark]

Sure about that?
you could find Obama videos that make him look like a cocky asshole, but he isn't one is he?

"A text without a context becomes a pretext for a post-text"

[DDAANNIIEELL]

Explain to me what the purpose of the superpower. Shoving its agenda down the globe's throat? Let him destroy those things.

And yes, I am in my right mind and the French welfare state looks far more desirable than the US' current make up.

Being a super power is nice...

I don't know about you, but I dont think negotiations with countries run by insane people will keep them in check forever...

[saysmydoctor]

Being a super power is nice...

I don't know about you, but I dont think negotiations with countries run by insane people will keep them in check forever...
No, it's not.

I know you are referencing to Iran and Ahmadinejad, he has no power.

[DDAANNIIEELL]

No, it's not.

I know you are referencing to Iran and Ahmadinejad, he has no power.

Well, actually North Korea too, which I understand does not have that much power, but still could possibly be a threat or at least a danger... But whatever dude. I don't see how have a weak country that relies on negotiations only with no legitimate threat or actual force behind it is a good thing.. But its what the people want so let it be done! :shudder:

[saysmydoctor]

Well, actually North Korea too, which I understand does not have that much power, but still could possibly be a threat or at least a danger... But whatever dude. I don't see how have a weak country that relies on negotiations only with no legitimate threat or actual force behind it is a good thing.. But its what the people want so let it be done! :shudder:
And I don't see how a country who uses their massive military and nuclear stockpile to force their agenda upon a weaker nation is a good thing.

[sargentlgfuad]

Also, Palin was not an idiot. You just got her confused with that lady that looked like her on SNL.
So, Tina Fey's an idiot? I'm sure she has a higher IQ than Palin and would make a much better government figure.

[Posthardcore]

Honestly who gives a shit.

[J.C.]

Obama received so many votes simply because he was black. I'm not getting into this argument.

1. He received tons of votes because of his race...

I remember when Al Gore won 90% of the black vote because he was black.

And when John Kerry won 88% of the black vote because he was black.

If only there was something we could do to balance out the black majority and their stranglehold on this country. Maybe only count 3 out of every 5 of their votes. That way everybody wins.

[DDAANNIIEELL]

And I don't see how a country who uses their massive military and nuclear stockpile to force their agenda upon a weaker nation is a good thing.

Oh yeah, its only good when people want it. like Tibet or the Iranian elections thing. But when someone else wants it, its bad. And IMO nuclear = bad no matter what. Especially when other countries with crazy leaders decide they want to use it.

[saysmydoctor]

Your single superpower agenda promotes the US' imperialist agenda. It's chief cause of foreign problems.

[DDAANNIIEELL]

I remember when Al Gore won 90% of the black vote because he was black.

And when John Kerry won 88% of the black vote because he was black.

If only there was something we could do to balance out the black majority and their stranglehold on this country. Maybe only count 3 out of every 5 of their votes. That way everybody wins.

I believe that the issue he's talking about is that Obama received a ton of WHITE votes solely because of his race... Obviously not anything suspicious about him getting the majority of the black vote, based on what you said.

[J.C.]

2. Please explain to me how Palin is an idiot.

She claimed the Pledge of Allegiance was written by the Founding Fathers.

She believes humans and dinosaurs inhabited Earth at the same time.

She thought Africa was a country.

She spent 5 minutes on the phone under the impression she was speaking with Nicholas Sarkozy, oblivious to the fact she was being prank-called by some guys in Quebec with a radio show.

She believes there was a provision for death panels in the healthcare bill passed by the House.

Plus, she so stupid, it take her 2 hours to watch 60 Minutes.

[Machu505]

I believe that the issue he's talking about is that Obama received a ton of WHITE votes solely because of his race... Obviously not anything suspicious about him getting the majority of the black vote, based on what you said.
Prove it.

The reason he won, the reason he got so many votes was not because of his race. It was because of the economic crisis, Sarah Palin, and George W. Bush. If anything, his race hurt him. See: West Virginia.

[J.C.]

I believe that the issue he's talking about is that Obama received a ton of WHITE votes solely because of his race....

1. What an utterly retarded premise. You can get elected President on the basis of white people solely wanting to vote for you because you're black? Then what the fuck is Jesse Jackson's and Alan Keyes's excuse?

2. How many white votes do you suspect Obama did not get solely because of his race? Wanna take a guess?

[jwicklun]

can someone in this forum provide evidence that Palin is NOT an idiot? Because theres a helluva lot more evidence that she is.

[xshady121]

So, Tina Fey's an idiot? I'm sure she has a higher IQ than Palin and would make a much better government figure.

This is the funniest post I've seen in the year I've been actively posting here. Congratulations for failing basic reading comprehension in elementary school. You really have taken stupid to a new level.

[Otakoust]

I remember when Al Gore won 90% of the black vote because he was black.

And when John Kerry won 88% of the black vote because he was black.

If only there was something we could do to balance out the black majority and their stranglehold on this country. Maybe only count 3 out of every 5 of their votes. That way everybody wins.
That was just priceless. I wish there was an upvoting feature on AP.

[sargentlgfuad]

This is the funniest post I've seen in the year I've been actively posting here. Congratulations for failing basic reading comprehension in elementary school. You really have taken stupid to a new level.
hahahahaha

[fortythieves]

And if McCain won, Palin wouldn't have received any sexist remarks (just talking sexism here, not anything regarding her being obviously unqualified)? She was the target of many sexist remarks on these forums (and i think it's fair to say there is a higher intelligence among AP.net regarding politics than the general public).

McCain would have caught shit for being too old (which, similar to the race topic, does very little to gauge how effective a leader he is).

I think a bit better of a comparison would be Clinton in 92, when he was being criticized for having extra marital affairs in Arkansas. Or some of the stuff Bush caught was uncalled for (his intelligence for instance?)

It's just a lot more apparent when it's nonsense that challenges your viewpoint.
I don't think it's fair to compare the actions of one president [Clinton's affair] to what another president is [McCain is old, Obama is black]. Having an affair was his choice and he was hopefully aware of what would happen if anyone found out, especially considering his all-important position. It's not like Obama chose to be black or McCain chose to be old.

[loveisdead]

She claimed the Pledge of Allegiance was written by the Founding Fathers.

She believes humans and dinosaurs inhabited Earth at the same time.

She thought Africa was a country.

She spent 5 minutes on the phone under the impression she was speaking with Nicholas Sarkozy, oblivious to the fact she was being prank-called by some guys in Quebec with a radio show.

She believes there was a provision for death panels in the healthcare bill passed by the House.

Plus, she so stupid, it take her 2 hours to watch 60 Minutes.

I remember when Al Gore won 90% of the black vote because he was black.

And when John Kerry won 88% of the black vote because he was black.

If only there was something we could do to balance out the black majority and their stranglehold on this country. Maybe only count 3 out of every 5 of their votes. That way everybody wins.
Joseph Corr for the win.

[xshady121]

I don't think it's fair to compare the actions of one president [Clinton's affair] to what another president is [McCain is old, Obama is black]. Having an affair was his choice and he was hopefully aware of what would happen if anyone found out, especially considering his all-important position. It's not like Obama chose to be black or McCain chose to be old.


It is fair when considering all three have no effects on how the person will govern.

[tstick18]

I remember when Al Gore won 90% of the black vote because he was black.

And when John Kerry won 88% of the black vote because he was black.

If only there was something we could do to balance out the black majority and their stranglehold on this country. Maybe only count 3 out of every 5 of their votes. That way everybody wins.

I am well aware of those percentages. I was talking about the huge increase in registered voters and first time voters, some only voting because he was black or a good speaker or whatever.

[Machu505]

Are increases in voter registration and first time voting bad things now?

[xshady121]

I am well aware of those percentages. I was talking about the huge increase in registered voters and first time voters, some only voting because he was black or a good speaker or whatever.

Democrats always get a disproportionate share of the minorities. So blacks voting democrat would have happened no matter who was the candidate. Unless you're talking about white guilt. That's a whole different story.

[jwicklun]

if race had everything to do with it, Al Sharpton would've been the democrat's candidate.

[tstick18]

She thought Africa was a country.

No she didn't. That was a made up story by a blogger which was, for some reason, reported on national news.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/arts/television/13hoax.html?_r=1&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink


She spent 5 minutes on the phone under the impression she was speaking with Nicholas Sarkozy, oblivious to the fact she was being prank-called by some guys in Quebec with a radio show.

It was a pretty good impression. :-d


She believes there was a provision for death panels in the healthcare bill passed by the House.

Yes she does, and yes there were.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/13/breaking-finance-committee-drops-death-panel-provisions-from-senate-bill/

[tstick18]

Are increases in voter registration and first time voting bad things now?
If they're voting for someone for something other than their political views then yes, I would say it is. Obviously in general it's a good thing, though.

[saysmydoctor]

That isn't a death panel, stop playing semantics.

[jwicklun]

No she didn't. That was a made up story by a blogger which was, for some reason, reported on national news.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/arts/television/13hoax.html?_r=1&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink


It was a pretty good impression. :-d


Yes she does, and yes there were.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/13/breaking-finance-committee-drops-death-panel-provisions-from-senate-bill/
I really don't see how that supports the claim of the death panel

[J.C.]

I am well aware of those percentages. I was talking about the huge increase in registered voters and first time voters, some only voting because he was black or a good speaker or whatever.

Totally.

There were 9 million more voters in 2008 than 2004.

There were 17 million more voters in 2004 than 2000.

Clearly those additional 17 million voters in 2004 were drawn to John Kerry and George Bush's abilities as black men and great public speakers.

[saysmydoctor]

I really don't see how that supports the claim of the death panel
In Newt Gingrich's words..."it's a thousand pages long."

So that means it's in there.

[J.C.]

No she didn't. That was a made up story by a blogger which was, for some reason, reported on national news.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/arts/television/13hoax.html?_r=1&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink/

What the hell is the point of posting a link if you don't bother to read it yourself?

"The pranksters behind Eisenstadt acknowledge that he was not, through them, the anonymous source of the Palin leak. He just claimed falsely that he was the leaker..."

The story wasn't made up, the guy taking credit for the leak was.

[Machu505]

No she didn't. That was a made up story by a blogger which was, for some reason, reported on national news.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/arts/television/13hoax.html?_r=1&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink


It was a pretty good impression. :-d


Yes she does, and yes there were.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/13/breaking-finance-committee-drops-death-panel-provisions-from-senate-bill/
Nope.
If they're voting for someone for something other than their political views then yes, I would say it is. Obviously in general it's a good thing, though.
But why do you think they're voting for him because he's black or because he's a good orator? Today's youth is very liberal and have frequently went for Democrats in recent years.

[jwicklun]

In Newt Gingrich's words..."it's a thousand pages long."

So that means it's in there.
it's like reading a harry potter book! who wants to do that?

[tstick18]

Totally.

There were 9 million more voters in 2008 than 2004.

There were 17 million more voters in 2004 than 2000.

Clearly those additional 17 million voters in 2004 were drawn to John Kerry and George Bush's abilities as black men and great public speakers.
Hmm that's strange. My bad I guess. I just heard so much talk in the media about the unprecedented lines to register new voters. I guess that's what I get for trusting the media. haha

[tstick18]

Nope.

How so?


But why do you think they're voting for him because he's black or because he's a good orator? Today's youth is very liberal and have frequently went for Democrats in recent years.

It's really impossible for me or anyone to know. I should not have even made any comment on that.

[Machu505]

How so?
Those "death panels" were made up things to scare all those real Americans (which, by the way, is a term liberals have been using lately and it's been infuriating me, but I digress) into thinking Barack Obama was going to go and kill Grandma Josephine with his bare hands. I don't even know how it got construed as a death panel.


It's really impossible for me or anyone to know. I should not have even made any comment on that.
Well you know what? I only supported him because he's black.

[NeededYouMost]

You're a reason why I hate liberals.
I don't understand why Americans thinks the terms Liberal and Democrat are interchangeable. Same with Conservative and Republican.
I'm a Liberal Republican.

[NeededYouMost]

Those "death panels" were made up things to scare all those real Americans (which, by the way, is a term liberals have been using lately and it's been infuriating me, but I digress) into thinking Barack Obama was going to go and kill Grandma Josephine with his bare hands. I don't even know how it got construed as a death panel.


Well you know what? I only supported him because he's black.
you're 8

[Machu505]

you're 8
Deja vu.

[J.C.]

I don't understand why Americans thinks the terms Liberal and Democrat are interchangeable. Same with Conservative and Republican.
I'm a Liberal Republican.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/jrc6248/ddrftyu5ryjkyrthjyrt.jpg

It's like shooting fish in a barrel with some of you r-tards.

[Machu505]

Linc Chaffee was a liberal Republican. Olympia Snowe is a liberal Republican. My own brother is a liberal Republican. You, sir, are no liberal Republican.

[Justin_stacy]

how are you 8?

[Machu505]

I was born in 2001, obviously.

[Justin_stacy]

I've got nothing funny to add to that. :-(

[Machu505]

I would have added to it with "In Kenya.", but that is now a fairly overused joke.

[Justin_stacy]

I would have added to it with "In Kenya.", but that is now a fairly overused joke.

Now that I like.

[NeededYouMost]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/jrc6248/ddrftyu5ryjkyrthjyrt.jpg

It's like shooting fish in a barrel with some of you r-tards.
explain

Linc Chaffee was a liberal Republican. Olympia Snowe is a liberal Republican. My own brother is a liberal Republican. You, sir, are no liberal Republican.
i wondered why you said "deja vu" until i saw this really strange coincidence.
how are you 8?
lol, you picked the same number as me.

[saysmydoctor]

explain


i wondered why you said "deja vu" until i saw this really strange coincidence.

lol, you picked the same number as me.
You're done.

[paper halo]

What's with the idiot invasion in this thread?

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

I am now dumber for reading this thread

Thanks !

[fortythieves]

It is fair when considering all three have no effects on how the person will govern.
Actions reflect character, and I think character does affect how one would govern.

[GeeBee]

Actions reflect character, and I think character does affect how one would govern.

Not necessarily.

[Machu505]

explain


i wondered why you said "deja vu" until i saw this really strange coincidence.

lol, you picked the same number as me.
What are you even talking about?

[Justin_stacy]

I still don't get the 8 year old bit.

[Truman122]

derp de derp politcs

Haha. I just gotta say, this thread made me laugh out loud. Credit.

[NeededYouMost]

Today I was at Subway ordering me a footlong. A young black girl is in line infront of me. She orders, and says kindly "Extra lettuce please" The guy acts like he doesn't hear her because he dabs on lettuce. So she repeats louder "Extra Lettuce Please" and he gives such a horrible body language of disgusts. So she apologizes for the mishap. She then says extra "Sweet Union Sauce." He again pretends to not hear it so I stepped in and said "she asked for extra Sweet Onion Sauce!" And he goes "oh i'm sorry, there you go". She kindly smiles at me.
So it's my time to order. She leaves and I say to him "i know you heard her, why would you be so disrespectful" And he says "they always come in here and make it difficult." And that point i'm livid and say "have some damn respect you low class sandwich maker! Make my sandwich the way i want it and I don't want any damn body language or stupidity" He was so embarrassed because there were quite a few people sitting and eating as it was lunch time.
Damn sometimes i'm embarrassed about the way White People behave.

[GeeBee]

Today I was at Subway ordering me a footlong. A young black girl is in line infront of me. She orders, and says kindly "Extra lettuce please" The guy acts like he doesn't hear her because he dabs on lettuce. So she repeats louder "Extra Lettuce Please" and he gives such a horrible body language of disgusts. So she apologizes for the mishap. She then says extra "Sweet Union Sauce." He again pretends to not hear it so I stepped in and said "she asked for extra Sweet Onion Sauce!" And he goes "oh i'm sorry, there you go". She kindly smiles at me.
So it's my time to order. She leaves and I say to him "i know you heard her, why would you be so disrespectful" And he says "they always come in here and make it difficult." And that point i'm livid and say "have some damn respect you low class sandwich maker! Make my sandwich the way i want it and I don't want any damn body language or stupidity" He was so embarrassed because there were quite a few people sitting and eating as it was lunch time.
Damn sometimes i'm embarrassed about the way White People behave.

Wait...
You just told a story about a guy making generalizations about a race of people behaving a certain way in his place of employ...
Only to end the story by saying: "Damn sometimes i'm embarrassed about the way White People behave."

:-d whuttamoron.

[NeededYouMost]

Wait...
You just told a story about a guy making generalizations about a race of people behaving a certain way in his place of employ...
Only to end the story by saying: "Damn sometimes i'm embarrassed about the way White People behave."

:-d whuttamoron.
you have a racists as your avatar...

[GeeBee]

you have a racists as your avatar...

I have a popular television character as my avatar.

Awesome attempt at a rebuttal, though. A for effort.

[NeededYouMost]

I have a popular television character as my avatar.

Awesome attempt at a rebuttal, though. A for effort.
What's "a for effort" mean?

[Zeran]

i didn't read most of this thread (i like not reducing my intelligence), but i'm wondering...is it only when the president is black that people "exercise their freedoms" by bringing guns and assault rifles to town hall meetings?

[GeeBee]

What's "a for effort" mean?

Oh my god. Make that a D+.

[NeededYouMost]

Oh my god. Make that a D+.
what happened? Did he died?

[GeeBee]

what happened? Did he died?

Sounds good. You're now permanently ignored, you moronic fuckstick.

[NeededYouMost]

Sounds good. You're now permanently ignored, you moronic fuckstick.
you can't just add fuck to any word. You Fuckpunk. Or you Fucklight. Or you Fuckdoorbell

[dejaxentendu]

bottom line. the people of America no longer have any respect for any political leaders white black yellow female whatever.
reason: the media has completely humanized all politicians and made them more like local celebs equivalent to paris hilton than leaders of our country. All of the hype and rumors about personal lives. I mean since when is people mag, star, and ok so interested in politics? They have turned the 3 branches of government into a 3 ring circus. This type of propaganda has been detrimental to americas sense of nationalism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd-xVR9CCZ8

shit like that ^ is why our presidents are now treated with no respect

[GeeBee]

bottom line. the people of America no longer have any respect for any political leaders white black yellow female whatever.
reason: the media has completely humanized all politicians and made them more like local celebs equivalent to paris hilton than leaders of our country. All of the hype and rumors about personal lives. I mean since when is people mag, star, and ok so interested in politics? They have turned the 3 branches of government into a 3 ring circus. This type of propaganda has been detrimental to americas sense of nationalism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd-xVR9CCZ8

shit like that ^ is why our presidents are now treated with no respect

I'm tired of people on EITHER side referring to "the media" as if they're a board of 10 dudes who decide which way the "media" are going to go on a certain issue. It sounds WAY too "conspiracy theory" when people refer to "the media", as if it's a robot.

[dejaxentendu]

I'm tired of people on EITHER side referring to "the media" as if they're a board of 10 dudes who decide which way the "media" are going to go on a certain issue. It sounds WAY too "conspiracy theory" when people refer to "the media", as if it's a robot.



ok next time ill say radio, tv, tabloids, etc. ?

[open mind]

I'm tired of people on EITHER side referring to "the media" as if they're a board of 10 dudes who decide which way the "media" are going to go on a certain issue. It sounds WAY too "conspiracy theory" when people refer to "the media", as if it's a robot.

power in the american media is pretty concentrated. that probably is a big reason we rank so low in terms of freedom of the press.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/23/AR2006102301148.html

[reesa]

you can't just add fuck to any word. You Fuckpunk. Or you Fucklight. Or you Fuckdoorbell
hhahaha XD thanks for the entertainment guys. that made me lol... :P

[GeeBee]

ok next time ill say radio, tv, tabloids, etc. ?
You missed my point (or I poorly articulated). I simply meant that too many people refer to "the media" as if it's a grand conspiracy run by a few puppetmasters. That's not the case.
power in the american media is pretty concentrated. that's probably why we rank so low in terms of freedom of the press.
I'd appreciate you kindly backing up this statement with evidence/rankings. I don't know what "pretty concentrated" means. Also, last I checked, you can print whatever you want in this country for the most part.

[open mind]

I'd appreciate you kindly backing up this statement with evidence/rankings.

done.

[GeeBee]

done.
That came off as more confrontational than I intended. I'm here to learn, haha.

[open mind]

That came off as more confrontational than I intended. I'm here to learn, haha.

we all come off that way from time to time so don't sweat it.

check this out if you're interested in knowing just how concentrated the power is concerning major media.

http://www.corporations.org/media/

[dejaxentendu]

You missed my point (or I poorly articulated). I simply meant that too many people refer to "the media" as if it's a grand conspiracy run by a few puppetmasters. That's not the case.
.



yeah your right its not run by a few puppetmasters its a conspiracy run by thousands

[GeeBee]

yeah your right its not run by a few puppetmasters its a conspiracy run by thousands

I dunno if I buy that. For instance, Glenn Beck and his ilk refer to "the media" as if there's a couple backroom meetings taking place to make sure things are "liberal" in the media. I don't buy into that nonsense.

[open mind]

I dunno if I buy that. For instance, Glenn Beck and his ilk refer to "the media" as if there's a couple backroom meetings taking place to make sure things are "liberal" in the media. I don't buy into that nonsense.

there isn't a liberal media.
there is a profit driven, self serving, shallow, sensationalist, and incompetent media.

[NeededYouMost]

You missed my point (or I poorly articulated). I simply meant that too many people refer to "the media" as if it's a grand conspiracy run by a few puppetmasters. That's not the case. Most likely because you are an I.D.I.O.T

done.
smart man
That came off as more confrontational than I intended. I'm here to learn, haha.
No you aren't. You are here to be a cunt. C.U.N.T

[GeeBee]

there isn't a liberal media.
there is a profit driven, self serving, shallow, sensationalist, and incompetent media.
No argument there. Far too incompetent to have a unified agenda on any one subject.

[open mind]

No argument there. Far too incompetent to have a unified agenda on any one subject.

when the bottom line is profits and ratings you're catering to a customers likes and dislikes more then you're bothering with facts.
although there isn't some masterminded agenda to make almost everyone as poorly informed and divided against one another as much as possible the modern mass media does produce those results.

[Animalhill]

Most likely because you are an I.D.I.O.T


smart man

No you aren't. You are here to be a cunt. C.U.N.T
Your overuse of acrnyms leads me to believe that you are 14.

[GeeBee]

Your overuse of acrnyms leads me to believe that you are 14.

Not to mention, he doesn't realize I've had him on ignore for a long fucking time.

[Animalhill]

Not to mention, he doesn't realize I've had him on ignore for a long fucking time.
Why has the, 'politics' section been overcome by pricks lately?

[GeeBee]

Why has the, 'politics' section been overcome by pricks lately?

I dunno. I just had a run-in yesterday with that "zach" fellow. Jesus. I'm all about arguing, but it's become baiting-for-fights CENTRAL in here lately.

[NeededYouMost]

Your overuse of acrnyms leads me to believe that you are 14.
what the fuck is acrnyms? Oh! A.C.R.O.N.Y.M.S

[GeeBee]

what the fuck is acrnyms? Oh! A.C.R.O.N.Y.M.S

Jesus, do you simply troll around this site? I have yet to read ONE substantive post from you. ONE. Are you THAT hard up for something to do that you just make moronic posts like this? Jesus, you're moronic.

[Animalhill]

what the fuck is acrnyms? Oh! A.C.R.O.N.Y.M.S
:-d
Douche.

[macabre]

Here's some research conducted at my university that I thought you guys might be interested in. It examined the effect that Obama's presidency has had on reducing implicit prejudice toward African Americans.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-studies19-2009aug19,0,7197636.story

[Jennurna Gray]

my friend asked cha cha why ni ggers like watermelon so much.
LMFAO.

[BrennanHickson]

Your overuse of acrnyms leads me to believe that you are 14.
What's that supposed to mean? :-(

[Animalhill]

What's that supposed to mean? :-(
Darling, I did not mean to infer that all 14-15 year olds on this site are immature. You, however, along with Machu and Praetor, among a few others, are an exception to the general rule.:-)