Opinions on 'indie music' at AP

[DePeachMode]

I've been seeing a lot of backlash against so called 'hipster' bands here since I joined last night, so I kind of feel inclined to ask how you, as the general populace of AP, feel about the indie scene.

If you feel inclined to either express hatred or to fall on your knees and suck Panda Bear's dick, please explain why. No 'motherfuckin hipsters don't like hardcore shit' or vice versa allowed.

Play ball.

[Chromefox]

Indie isn't a genre of music.

[anthonydarko]

I've never had a problem with "hipster" bands, I've had more of a problem with the hipsters that listen to them.

[DePeachMode]

Indie isn't a genre of music.

Debatable. Bands like Tokyo Police Club and Clap Your Hands Say Yeah just, you know, SOUND like indie. Hand claps, effeminine vocals, wordy, bookish delivery, etc. But yeah, I don't mean any particular genre, I just mean independant music in general, or bands that tend to get filed under that label.

Also, for the sake of clarification, a hipster is anyone who listens to music because pitchfork tells them too, not because they actually enjoy it. Fuckers.

[briewer]

Debatable. Bands like Tokyo Police Club and Clap Your Hands Say Yeah just, you know, SOUND like indie. Hand claps, effeminine vocals, wordy, bookish delivery, etc. But yeah, I don't mean any particular genre, I just mean independant music in general, or bands that tend to get filed under that label.

Also, for the sake of clarification, a hipster is anyone who listens to music because pitchfork tells them too, not because they actually enjoy it. Fuckers.
Says the guy with the GSY!BE avatar.

[briewer]

Is it Groundhog Day? are we bound to have this fucking conversation (http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=1265752) over and over ad infinitum?

[Rawrr]

Says the guy with the GSY!BE avatar.
...wut
Indie isn't a genre of music.
False.

[DePeachMode]

Says the guy with the GSY!BE avatar.

Wasn't aware P4K liked them. Lift Your Skinny Fists is a beautiful album.

[Rawrr]

Also, for the sake of clarification, a hipster is anyone who listens to music because pitchfork tells them too, not because they actually enjoy it. Fuckers.
Also this is the worst fucking statement, people say it over and over and still, it just makes you sound like an idiot.

[DePeachMode]

Also this is the worst fucking statement, people say it over and over and still, it just makes you sound like an idiot.

Explain? I'm not railing on music like that, I like a fair amount of it. It's just when people rally behind music because it's the 'cool' thing to do (which, surprisingly, a lot of people do), when I get offended.

The word hipster gets thrown around a lot more than it does, and I see it as generally a lot harsher of an insult than most do.

[briewer]

...wut.
That's a 'typical' band that a 'hipster' would name drop to build up 'cred'. Of course I don't believe any of this bullshit, but if he wants to say people listen to certain bands just because it's cool, GSY!BE is one of them.

Wasn't aware P4K liked them. Lift Your Skinny Fists is a beautiful album.

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/3489-lift-your-skinny-fists-like-antennas-to-heaven/
http://pitchfork.com/features/staff-lists/5956-the-top-100-albums-of-2000-04-part-one/6/
http://web.archive.org/web/20070430193717/http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/18130/Godspeed_You_Black_Emperor_FAoo

Oh mai gawd, what a fawking hipster.

[DePeachMode]

That's a 'typical' band that a 'hipster' would name drop to build up 'cred'. Of course I don't believe any of this bullshit, but if he wants to say people listen to certain bands just because it's cool, GSY!BE is one of them.



http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/3489-lift-your-skinny-fists-like-antennas-to-heaven/
http://pitchfork.com/features/staff-lists/5956-the-top-100-albums-of-2000-04-part-one/6/
http://web.archive.org/web/20070430193717/http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/18130/Godspeed_You_Black_Emperor_FAoo

Oh mai gawd, what a fawking hipster.

So they gave them generous reviews. I didn't know that. I like them just because I like them, is that a problem?

[briewer]

So they gave them generous reviews. I didn't know that. I like them just because I like them, is that a problem?
What? Do you remember this?

Also, for the sake of clarification, a hipster is anyone who listens to music because pitchfork tells them too, not because they actually enjoy it. Fuckers.

Hypocritical poster is hypocritical.

[Rawrr]

I am 100% confused by the stupidity in this thread.

[DePeachMode]

What? Do you remember this?



Hypocritical poster is hypocritical.

You're really misreading my posts here. I like Animal Collective, I like Grizzly Bear, I like the Antlers, I like a lot of bands P4K shits praise over. But I don't like them because it's the 'in' thing. I like them because I like them. Not to be trendy or a hipster or whatever, but because they sounds good. Meanwhile, plenty of people latch onto music hitting the scene just because it's getting hyped out of proportion, claim to love it without listening, and continue to claim to love it to present an image and act as cool and aloof as possible. I love music, and I love just about all the artists I listen to, so I tend to take offense when people listen to music for reasons other than enjoyment, for 'cred' as you put it.

Read what I say and comprehend before you attack me next time.

[SickOfStars]

I've been seeing a lot of backlash against so called 'hipster' bands here since I joined last night, so I kind of feel inclined to ask how you, as the general populace of AP, feel about the indie scene.

If you feel inclined to either express hatred or to fall on your knees and suck Panda Bear's dick, please explain why. No 'motherfuckin hipsters don't like hardcore shit' or vice versa allowed.

Play ball.

Folks on here get uncomfortable when people listen to stuff other than the current pop-punk scene. Clearly anyone with indie-inclinations is just a big trendy douchebag with no regard for the heart and soul of music... which is CLEARLY really simple chord progressions and at time trite lyrics.


I listen to tons of "indie," and I don't really see the purpose of pointing the finger at other people for listening to other stuff. Half the things that people cry "hipster" about on here aren't even what actual hip kids are jocking. It's outright silly.

Soooo, yeah. That's my take on it.

[Rawrr]

Explain? I'm not railing on music like that, I like a fair amount of it. It's just when people rally behind music because it's the 'cool' thing to do (which, surprisingly, a lot of people do), when I get offended.

The word hipster gets thrown around a lot more than it does, and I see it as generally a lot harsher of an insult than most do.
Classifying a hipster as a pitchfork drone is just a generally idiotic statement I find. You can't assume every "hipster" just listens to whatever Pitchfork throws at them. I mean, yeah, I listen to a ton of shitty hipster music whilst reading pitchfork, but I mean, Pitchfork usually has no say in what I am listening to, unless the review has piqued my interest.

[Rawrr]

Half the things that people cry "hipster" about on here aren't even what actual hip kids are jocking. It's outright silly.
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This. x100.

[SickOfStars]

This. x100.

Seriously, it's anything with a more fleshed out instrumentation and without the vocal characteristics of the little niche this site's based around. And I'm not even going to knock that niche, but people need to accept that there's no law stating that you have to stick with only pop-punk and otherwise you're just a gummyfuck hipster. No one signs a contract. It's not "betraying your roots." I wish people would just get along and be more open-minded and hearted about music.

[DePeachMode]

Classifying a hipster as a pitchfork drone is just a generally idiotic statement I find. You can't assume every "hipster" just listens to whatever Pitchfork throws at them. I mean, yeah, I listen to a ton of shitty hipster music whilst reading pitchfork, but I mean, Pitchfork usually has no say in what I am listening to, unless the review has piqued my interest.

One last time.

You LIKE the music you like. That's good. I don't care if you read pitchfork and occasionally look into bands they recommend, that's great and all as long as you actually enjoy what you listen to instead of just latching onto a passing fad. It's not just pitchfork, either, I just used that as a point of reference that people tend to know. People who listen to 3Oh!3 or whatever because it's suddenly toping the charts or people who 'fell in love' with Modest Mouse after Float On got airplay but still can't name any other songs than that, it's them too.

It's hard to put into words, and honestly doesn't happen very often (recall when i said the word 'hipster' gets thrown around a lot more than it should), but when you meet someone who is honestly a hipster, you'll know him and hate him, trust me.

[Akissforher]

I've never had a problem with "hipster" bands, I've had more of a problem with the hipsters that listen to them.

agreed or any band recommended by NME these days.

[Rawrr]

It's hard to put into words, and honestly doesn't happen very often (recall when i said the word 'hipster' gets thrown around a lot more than it should), but when you meet someone who is honestly a hipster, you'll know him and hate him, trust me.
I've met plenty of hipsters. I guess I just don't see the point you're trying to make, if any.


Seriously, it's anything with a more fleshed out instrumentation and without the vocal characteristics of the little niche this site's based around. And I'm not even going to knock that niche, but people need to accept that there's no law stating that you have to stick with only pop-punk and otherwise you're just a gummyfuck hipster. No one signs a contract. It's not "betraying your roots." I wish people would just get along and be more open-minded and hearted about music.
In all honestly, this site is kind of backwards from everything else, nowhere else would this amount of 22 year olds be listneing to Mayday Parade, but hey, whatever.

[DePeachMode]

I've met plenty of hipsters. I guess I just don't see the point you're trying to make, if any.

I still think we're talking about different kinds of people here, but whatever. To each their own.

[HangsLikeHeaven]

Very dumb thread. Jake and Bobert have this under control.

[DePeachMode]

Very dumb thread. Jake and Bobert have this under control.

Thread got stupid a few posts in. I still think I was asking a valid question.

[SickOfStars]

One last time.

You LIKE the music you like. That's good. I don't care if you read pitchfork and occasionally look into bands they recommend, that's great and all as long as you actually enjoy what you listen to instead of just latching onto a passing fad. It's not just pitchfork, either, I just used that as a point of reference that people tend to know. People who listen to 3Oh!3 or whatever because it's suddenly toping the charts or people who 'fell in love' with Modest Mouse after Float On got airplay but still can't name any other songs than that, it's them too.

It's hard to put into words, and honestly doesn't happen very often (recall when i said the word 'hipster' gets thrown around a lot more than it should), but when you meet someone who is honestly a hipster, you'll know him and hate him, trust me.

I agree with you here. "indie" is just currently in the spotlight. A hipster isn't pinned down to Pitchfork, essentially. It may seem that way now because what's big in the world of hip, but pretty soon indie-inclined fashion and the music will fade out of the spotlight, and another fabulously artsy way of living life will present itself. Too many people get so caught up in the current incarnation of "hip," that they call random fans of "indie" or whatever crazy genres the music can be classified under as "hipsters."

I've met plenty of hipsters. I guess I just don't see the point you're trying to make, if any.



In all honestly, this site is kind of backwards from everything else, nowhere else would this amount of 22 year olds be listneing to Mayday Parade, but hey, whatever.

I died laughing!

[HangsLikeHeaven]

Thread got stupid a few posts in. I still think I was asking a valid question.

Relatively. I'd rather not see another thread regarding hipsters or pitchfork, though. This is a dead end issue that's been discussed ever since this site was started.

[DePeachMode]

Relatively. I'd rather not see another thread regarding hipsters or pitchfork, though. This is a dead end issue that's been discussed ever since this site was started.

Originally I just wanted to know how the populace felt about bands that weren't, uh, Brand New and Paramore, basically. Bands a teensy bit more on the outer fringe. But yeah, spiraled out of control a bit.

[Rawrr]

I still think we're talking about different kinds of people here, but whatever. To each their own.
How would we have different views of a hipster man? It seems kind of universal.

[jtsnazzy]

I asked in another thread and nobody responded. What the fuck is "hipster music"?

[DePeachMode]

How would we have different views of a hipster man? It seems kind of universal.

Define hipster for me then, on your own standards.

Or maybe it's just that I take more offense to what I percieve hipsters as. Since, man, it really fucking bugs me when someone likes the image more than the band.

[Rawrr]

I asked in another thread and nobody responded. What the fuck is "hipster music"?
You probably won't get a good/correct answer from 90% of this board on this question.

http://woodsist.com/

[maxvsmaradona]

This is so confusing

[HangsLikeHeaven]

Originally I just wanted to know how the populace felt about bands that weren't, uh, Brand New and Paramore, basically. Bands a teensy bit more on the outer fringe. But yeah, spiraled out of control a bit.

Yeah, just stick around and you'll notice that there are the shitty posters that stick to their chat threads and Dance Gavin Dance threads, but there are some sore thumbs that generally discuss good (in my opinion) music.

[DePeachMode]

You probably won't get a good/correct answer from 90% of this board on this question.

http://woodsist.com/

Awwh. I like Woods. Kurt Vile, not so much.

Hipster music is generally music that's seen as being music that's liked just so the person can feel superior and act elitest. As such, it's kind of a subjective label and generally kind of stupid.

[DePeachMode]

Yeah, just stick around and you'll notice that there are the shitty posters that stick to their chat threads and Dance Gavin Dance threads, but there are some sore thumbs that generally discuss good (in my opinion) music.

That's really all I needed to hear. Thankee.

[jtsnazzy]

I thought maybe there is a unique characteristic that made it hipster like odd time signatures with math-rock.

[Rawrr]

Define hipster for me then, on your own standards.

Or maybe it's just that I take more offense to what I percieve hipsters as. Since, man, it really fucking bugs me when someone likes the image more than the band.
Music wise, I guess, "hipsters"(btw, I hate using this word) have been listening to a lot more garage influenced bands lately, examples are like Charlie and the Moonhearts, Ty Segal, Nerve City, Intelligence, The Traditional Fools, etc. But of course you have whatever shitty drone release is comin out on Night People as well, its definately not a set musical ideology, like, 4 months ago, and partially now still, it was all about this fucking shitgaze fade or whatever.

I mean, I have nothing against any of these artist either as I probably jock all of them, so whatever.

[HangsLikeHeaven]

That's really all I needed to hear. Thankee.

And I'm sure you'll fit in quite nicely. I think my first thread was about Kaddisfly, hahaha. Mind you, that was two and a half years ago.

[Smash Adams]

I thought maybe there is a unique characteristic that made it hipster like odd time signatures with math-rock.
Ability to make Seth Cohen jizz is how we word it

[DePeachMode]

Music wise, I guess, "hipsters"(btw, I hate using this word) have been listening to a lot more garage influenced bands lately, examples are like Charlie and the Moonhearts, Ty Segal, Nerve City, Intelligence, The Traditional Fools, etc. But of course you have whatever shitty drone release is comin out on Night People as well, its definately not a set musical ideology, like, 4 months ago, and partially now still, it was all about this fucking shitgaze fade or whatever.

I mean, I have nothing against any of these artist either as I probably jock all of them, so whatever.

Yeah, see, we have different views here. I'm not talking about people who like a certain kind of music, but people who approach music like a fashion statement, or something that you listen to just for bragging rights.

[Rawrr]

Awwh. I like Woods. Kurt Vile, not so much.

Hipster music is generally music that's seen as being music that's liked just so the person can feel superior and act elitest. As such, it's kind of a subjective label and generally kind of stupid.
Best band on Woodsist is def Real Estate, get into it, they have their debut LP coming out soon which will probably be my AOTY

[DePeachMode]

Best band on Woodsist is def Real Estate, get into it, they have their debut LP coming out soon which will probably be my AOTY

Alrighty. Did it leak yet, or am I going to have to dig for EPs and demos?

[Rawrr]

Alrighty. Did it leak yet, or am I going to have to dig for EPs and demos?
They have an EP and two 7"s out, I can send you a pm with them if you'd like.

[bradsonemanband]

I've never had a problem with "hipster" bands, I've had more of a problem with the hipsters that listen to them.

amen

[DePeachMode]

They have an EP and two 7"s out, I can send you a pm with them if you'd like.

I'd be forever in your debt, good sir.

[thespearkid]

I don't understand why people have a problem with using Pitchfork to find new artists. I've got their "best new music" page bookmarked. It doesn't make me any less valid of a music listener than the people who listen to everything AP hypes, or everything Rolling Stone hypes, or everything on the radio, etc.

[SickOfStars]

I don't understand why people have a problem with using Pitchfork to find new artists. I've got their "best new music" page bookmarked. It doesn't make me any less valid of a music listener than the people who listen to everything AP hypes, or everything Rolling Stone hypes, or everything on the radio, etc.

Their reviews have gotten me into some bands I like, and at the very least the site keeps me informed.

Sure they tend to be a little trend-hopping, but I believe that site gets at least 10.5 tons more shit than it could ever deserve. It's a current music website, and I believe the concsciousness of who's going to read it affects what they produce. A lot of folks seem to forget that.

Perhaps, way back, someone on this website was just super butthurt that they gave low scores to The Get Up Kids and Death Cab, and it snowballed from there.

Hell, they gave Jawbreaker a 2.5 and I'm getting a fucking tattoo of that band. I still read the site. Just because someone reads a music website and checks up on artists doesn't mean they can't have their own opinion. Ya know?

And I hate to sound like I'm guffawing with you about how superior we are (not my intention,) but there are so many valuable life lessons to be learned about the nature of existence and art/music/etc that are going unlearned by a lot of posters at this time.

[Smash Adams]

I don't understand why people have a problem with using Pitchfork to find new artists. I've got their "best new music" page bookmarked. It doesn't make me any less valid of a music listener than the people who listen to everything AP hypes, or everything Rolling Stone hypes, or everything on the radio, etc.
I just read news, personally with albums I feel no need to read reviews, either I like it or I don't, whereas with movies I generally won't see something unless it's well reviewed

[Thesleepingwell]

I'm not down on the 'indie' assertion. Not everything is big in this area of rock.

Sky Larkin got given that tag and people assume they are just another ordinary band.
So everything thinks 'oh look another indie band - we've got to many' and the band is overlooked.
Despite the fact they sound different.

And it's too darn heavy to be an indie band - more like prog rock.
I'm really disappointed about how little coverage this band get.

All because of the dirty would thats Indie.
I don't like the term. What about alternative, progressive, folk or pop rock.
That's fairer.

[DejaNew]

Seriously, these hipster and indie threads need to stop. If you like the fucking music, great. If not, go listen to something else and be happy. It's getting ridiculous that people think that they are the only people in the world who can like a band that's considered hipster. I'm not the biggest fan of Animal Collective's older shit, in fact, I hate it, but I love their two latest albums. Am I going to be labelled as a hipster now? Cool. I'm a hipster. I'm still going to listen to it and not give a fuck what you say. Perfect example, this thread. If people want to go listen to music because some website told them that it's good, well so be it. If anything, you should be happy that you are actually into them because you enjoy them, not because somebody told you to like them.

[play.tragic]

ATTN: DePeachMode
Are you really sixteen? If so, I would like to thank you for redeeming my faith in teenage-kind.

[tommy's ghost]

It's fucking arrogant to claim that someone's taste in music is auto-prescribed solely for cred just because they listen to bands that a website happens to favor. Damn prejudiced too.

[boxingwithstars]

i don't really know what the words "indie" and "hipster" mean, to be quite honest. i think i know what a hipster looks like, but i have no idea what kind of music they listen to.

[The Personist]

Guys I like Radiohead and Neutral Milk Hotel.

I can haz cred?

[DePeachMode]

Seriously, these hipster and indie threads need to stop. If you like the fucking music, great. If not, go listen to something else and be happy. It's getting ridiculous that people think that they are the only people in the world who can like a band that's considered hipster. I'm not the biggest fan of Animal Collective's older shit, in fact, I hate it, but I love their two latest albums. Am I going to be labelled as a hipster now? Cool. I'm a hipster. I'm still going to listen to it and not give a fuck what you say. Perfect example, this thread. If people want to go listen to music because some website told them that it's good, well so be it. If anything, you should be happy that you are actually into them because you enjoy them, not because somebody told you to like them.
What the fuck, actually read what I post. If you actually LIKE it, good, that's all I care about. End of discussion.
ATTN: DePeachMode
Are you really sixteen? If so, I would like to thank you for redeeming my faith in teenage-kind.
I am (turned 16 back in may), and no problem.
It's fucking arrogant to claim that someone's taste in music is auto-prescribed solely for cred just because they listen to bands that a website happens to favor. Damn prejudiced too.

Why do none of you read things i write. I have no problem with people reading Pitchfork, I do so myself, but I have problems with people who blindly follow their recommendations, and don't listen to the music they recommend because they enjoy it, but because it's being fed to them by a source they consider 'cool'.
Fucking deja vu.

[The Personist]

What the fuck, actually read what I post. If you actually LIKE it, good, that's all I care about. End of discussion.

I am (turned 16 back in may), and no problem.

Why do none of you read things i write. I have no problem with people reading Pitchfork, I do so myself, but I have problems with people who blindly follow their recommendations, and don't listen to the music they recommend because they enjoy it, but because it's being fed to them by a source they consider 'cool'.
Fucking deja vu.

How can you determine the validity of what someone else likes? I mean, how can you KNOW someone likes it because they like it? Your argument is fucking stupid because you can't back it up. I like The Libertines. Does that mean I'm sucking NME's dick and a hipster?

[briewer]

But I don't like them because it's the 'in' thing. I like them because I like them. Not to be trendy or a hipster or whatever, but because they sounds good.
If you're admitting they're good, then why is it such a hard concept for to accept that other people might like them for the same reason?

Meanwhile, plenty of people latch onto music hitting the scene just because it's getting hyped out of proportion, claim to love it without listening, and continue to claim to love it to present an image and act as cool and aloof as possible.
You're assuming people do this, but you have no basis for thinking that. At any rate, even if there are people that do this, that doesn't mean everybody else in the 'hipster' group does this. Aim your vitriol at the individual people that do this, don't overgeneralize for an entire group of people.

I love music, and I love just about all the artists I listen to, so I tend to take offense when people listen to music for reasons other than enjoyment, for 'cred' as you put it.
As you should, but there are far less people who do this than you think.

Read what I say and comprehend before you attack me next time.
I know exactly what you're saying. I had this exact same argument with another 16 year old just yesterday.

http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=1265752

[SickOfStars]

This I can back. A lot of arguments base themselves a lot off of knowing what an other's intentions are. Unless they have been concretely stated, proven through objectively undisputable actions, or yadda yadda yadda, most of us will never know whether someone is listening to something to be cool or because of genuine enjoyment.


There are always going to be people who latch onto things for their popularity. There are also going to be people who have always enjoyed the things, or found out of the things at the time they were popular because they hadn't had the opportunity to be exposed before. It's all a bunch of yuk yuk and in the end it's up to you to decide what you want to put into your ears and worry a little less about what other people choose to put in their ears. I mean, think about it, if they're listening to music they don't really like, who's getting screwed here?

[DePeachMode]

How can you determine the validity of what someone else likes? I mean, how can you KNOW someone likes it because they like it? Your argument is fucking stupid because you can't back it up. I like The Libertines. Does that mean I'm sucking NME's dick and a hipster?

You can tell if you know them and if you talk to them. And yeah, it's hard to tell, which is why I think hipster is thrown around far too often and is generally a rediculous phrase.

So, yeah, please stop being a presumptuous, aggressive cunt. You don't agree with how I define the term or whatever, just leave it at that.

[DePeachMode]

If you're admitting they're good, then why is it such a hard concept for to accept that other people might like them for the same reason?

It's not. Never said it was. Someone made a comment about 'hipster' bands, and I took some offense to that, since there aren't 'hipster' bands, only hipsters.

You're assuming people do this, but you have no basis for thinking that. At any rate, even if there are people that do this, that doesn't mean everybody else in the 'hipster' group does this. Aim your vitriol at the individual people that do this, don't overgeneralize for an entire group of people.

Yeah, people do. Because I've met people like this. They listen to one song on the radio or read an article on stereogum or pitchfork and suddenly it's their favorite band ever, without them knowing or arguably even liking the band. And 'hipster' group? Are you referring to people who like a certain group of bands? Cause, you know, I'm not.

As you should, but there are far less people who do this than you think.

You'd be surprised.

[briewer]

ATTN: DePeachMode
Are you really sixteen? If so, I would like to thank you for redeeming my faith in teenage-kind.
How? Because he's presumptuous and pretentious?

[DePeachMode]

How? Because he's presumptuous and pretentious?

But. Uh. I wasn't.

How am I being presumptuous? I'm not accusing anyone of anything, I'm not assuming anyone here's a hipster. I'm not being pretentious either, sicne I'm pretty much saying people are free to like whatever they like as long as they actually like it.

[Cuddleworthy]

HOLY SHIT YOU GUYS ARE SO FUCKING TRENDY AND HIP PLZ GIVE ME SOME RECS


best band on woodsist is woods

CHARLIE AND THE MOONHEARTS I LIKE THAT SHIT GRASS WIDOW IS BETTER THO

[Cuddleworthy]

Guys I like Radiohead and Neutral Milk Hotel.

I can haz cred?

Bro are you kidding me? That's like -50 REAL CRED points

[DePeachMode]

HOLY SHIT YOU GUYS ARE SO FUCKING TRENDY AND HIP PLZ GIVE ME SOME RECS


best band on woodsist is woods

CHARLIE AND THE MOONHEARTS I LIKE THAT SHIT GRASS WIDOW IS BETTER THO

You have a pretty cool little thing under your username <3

[Cuddleworthy]

You have a pretty cool little thing under your username <3

Thanks, I'm glad you like it.

[briewer]

It's not. Never said it was. Someone made a comment about 'hipster' bands, and I took some offense to that, since there aren't 'hipster' bands, only hipsters.
Bands that cater to hipsters could rightly be called hipster bands. Listen, most people suck and they'll tell you differently, but being a hipster is not any more of a heinous crime than being a scene kid, or a ska kid, or a whatever kid. Haters are gonna hate, and they've clearly convinced you that 'hipster=bad', which is false. It's completely arbitrary. Some of the best and most respected commenters on this site are hipsters (or, rather, pseudo-hipsters). There's nothing wrong with that label, and based on the bands you like I'm sure at some point that label will be applied to you.

Yeah, people do. Because I've met people like this. They listen to one song on the radio or read an article on stereogum or pitchfork and suddenly it's their favorite band ever, without them knowing or arguably even liking the band.
Great, you've met people that suck. Why would you concern yourself in any way with someone who's a poser like that?

And 'hipster' group? Are you referring to people who like a certain group of bands? Cause, you know, I'm not.
No, I meant the group of people.

You'd be surprised.
No, my young grasshopper, I think you'd be surprised. You like good music and from what I can tell you're not a shit head, making you better than most of the people in your age group. Just stop being so presumptuous of the intentions of other people you don't know and let the haters hate, and you'll turn out fine.

[briewer]

But. Uh. I wasn't.

How am I being presumptuous? I'm not accusing anyone of anything, I'm not assuming anyone here's a hipster. I'm not being pretentious either, sicne I'm pretty much saying people are free to like whatever they like as long as they actually like it.
Do we have to go over this again?

Also, for the sake of clarification, a hipster is anyone who listens to music because pitchfork tells them too, not because they actually enjoy it. Fuckers.

You're presuming you know why those people listen to the music they listen to. How is that not presumptuous?

[kearn1tm]

I've been seeing a lot of backlash against so called 'hipster' bands here since I joined last night, so I kind of feel inclined to ask how you, as the general populace of AP, feel about the indie scene.

If you feel inclined to either express hatred or to fall on your knees and suck Panda Bear's dick, please explain why. No 'motherfuckin hipsters don't like hardcore shit' or vice versa allowed.

Play ball.

Who the fuck are you?

EDIT - Rhetorical. I don't care.

[Cuddleworthy]

some mind-numbingly dumb things have been said in this thread. holy fuck

[briewer]

Who the fuck are you?

EDIT - Rhetorical. I don't care.
If I had just said that I would have saved myself a whole lot of time.

[briewer]

some mind-numbingly dumb things have been said in this thread. holy fuck
I try to bring the mind-numb wherever I go.

[kearn1tm]

Debatable. Bands like Tokyo Police Club and Clap Your Hands Say Yeah just, you know, SOUND like indie. Hand claps, effeminine vocals, wordy, bookish delivery, etc. But yeah, I don't mean any particular genre, I just mean independant music in general, or bands that tend to get filed under that label.

Also, for the sake of clarification, a hipster is anyone who listens to music because pitchfork tells them too, not because they actually enjoy it. Fuckers.

It's not debatable. Indie can't be a genre. There's far too many bands associated with the label, and it originated and began as a modifier around the early eighties for underground Post-Punk bands and Hardcore artists who were predominantly unsigned. How in the hell does Clap Your Hands Say Yeah sound like Mission of Burma The sound you just described is not "indie." It's Post-Punk Revivialism, for the most part.

Indie is the business state of a band. If you're not signed/signed to an indie label, you're "indie." That's it.

[kearn1tm]

some mind-numbingly dumb things have been said in this thread. holy fuck

Don't be silly. I've learned some things from this thread, such as "indie is a sound, and it's that of 'bookish delivery.'" Now I know!

[jtsnazzy]

If people want to listen to music based on hype or the desire to be in with some mystical standard of cool I'm not sure why people find this so appalling. Since when do people need proper justification to listen to music? Why is your reasoning better? Looking down on someone for listening to music for reasons that you don't find proper seems immature and narrow minded.

[briewer]

Don't be silly. I've learned some things from this thread, such as "indie is a sound, and it's that of 'bookish delivery.'" Now I know!
http://thegurglingcod.typepad.com/thegurglingcod/images/2008/02/12/the_more_you_know2.jpg

[Cuddleworthy]

Don't be silly. I've learned some things from this thread, such as "indie is a sound, and it's that of 'bookish delivery.'" Now I know!

Totally. That went way over my head the first time I read it, but now I realize I've just been so ignorant this whole time. I can't wait to get my hands on some real bookish indie

[thespearkid]

Their reviews have gotten me into some bands I like, and at the very least the site keeps me informed.

Sure they tend to be a little trend-hopping, but I believe that site gets at least 10.5 tons more shit than it could ever deserve. It's a current music website, and I believe the concsciousness of who's going to read it affects what they produce. A lot of folks seem to forget that.

Perhaps, way back, someone on this website was just super butthurt that they gave low scores to The Get Up Kids and Death Cab, and it snowballed from there.

Hell, they gave Jawbreaker a 2.5 and I'm getting a fucking tattoo of that band. I still read the site. Just because someone reads a music website and checks up on artists doesn't mean they can't have their own opinion. Ya know?

And I hate to sound like I'm guffawing with you about how superior we are (not my intention,) but there are so many valuable life lessons to be learned about the nature of existence and art/music/etc that are going unlearned by a lot of posters at this time.
Agreed with all of this. There are a ton of artists Pitchfork adores that I can't stand (She & Him and No Age, for example) and tons of artists I adore that pitchfork hates/ignores but the amount of grief they get on this site is kind of sad, especially when you consider both communities are supposed to stand on principles of unity, somewhat.

I just read news, personally with albums I feel no need to read reviews, either I like it or I don't, whereas with movies I generally won't see something unless it's well reviewed
Typically, when I'm just getting into a band, I'll choose which album I listen to first based on which one got the highest score in Pitchfork. It's just like how I typically won't see a movie that hasn't been reviewed highly. Also, I just find their reviews to be very well-written. Even if I've already made up my mind about an album, I still enjoy reading their reviews.

[briewer]

Totally. That went way over my head the first time I read it, but now I realize I've just been so ignorant this whole time. I can't wait to get my hands on some real bookish indie
Don't forget handclaps and effeminate vocals. You know, indie.

[jtsnazzy]

Don't forget handclaps and effeminate vocals. You know, indie.

I'm glad someone else found that hilarious. I had to read that twice just to make sure it wasn't sarcastic.

[Cuddleworthy]

fuck, i knew passion pit was the most indie band ever

[DePeachMode]

Bands that cater to hipsters could rightly be called hipster bands. Listen, most people suck and they'll tell you differently, but being a hipster is not any more of a heinous crime than being a scene kid, or a ska kid, or a whatever kid. Haters are gonna hate, and they've clearly convinced you that 'hipster=bad', which is false. It's completely arbitrary. Some of the best and most respected commenters on this site are hipsters (or, rather, pseudo-hipsters). There's nothing wrong with that label, and based on the bands you like I'm sure at some point that label will be applied to you.

Yeah, I think this best illustrates that we're having a non-conversation. Me and you interpret a hipster as different things. What you're describing is someone who likes underground or indie music, which I don't have a problem with. In fact, I tend to love a lot of the music that 'hipsters' tend to like, too. Meanwhile, my interpretation of hipster, as one who latches onto trends for the momentary cred (which, again, I'm not accusing ANYONE of and usually try not to accuse people of, since, like you said, I can't interpret intentions very easily), is pretty dispicable and totally different from what you see them as.

Like I said earlier, it's impossible to catagorize hipsters as people who like specific bands. A lot of them tend to rally behind certain bands, but that's not a qualifier. Liking particular bands is fine as long as you like them.

Let's just leave it at that.

[nlo13]

http://thegurglingcod.typepad.com/thegurglingcod/images/2008/02/12/the_more_you_know2.jpg

hahah

[The Personist]

Brand New is indie, right?

+50 cred

[DePeachMode]

You guys are killing me

[The Personist]

Good.

[Cuddleworthy]

I don't even know who Brand New is so they must be indie as fuck. Wait, do they have effeminate vocals?

[jtsnazzy]

\Meanwhile, my interpretation of hipster, as one who latches onto trends for the momentary cred (which, again, I'm not accusing ANYONE of and usually try not to accuse people of, since, like you said, I can't interpret intentions very easily), is pretty dispicable and totally different from what you see them as.



It's not despicable for people to listen to music regardless of their reasoning.

[briewer]

Yeah, I think this best illustrates that we're having a non-conversation. Me and you interpret a hipster as different things. What you're describing is someone who likes underground or indie music, which I don't have a problem with. In fact, I tend to love a lot of the music that 'hipsters' tend to like, too. Meanwhile, my interpretation of hipster, as one who latches onto trends for the momentary cred (which, again, I'm not accusing ANYONE of and usually try not to accuse people of, since, like you said, I can't interpret intentions very easily), is pretty dispicable and totally different from what you see them as.

Like I said earlier, it's impossible to catagorize hipsters as people who like specific bands. A lot of them tend to rally behind certain bands, but that's not a qualifier. Liking particular bands is fine as long as you like them.

Let's just leave it at that.
I just don't understand why people who are blatant fakes would bother you, like, at all. So they're living a lie and are ultimately going to be unhappy; why should you care? I'm pretty sure when they eventually realize that they're frauds it will hurt so much more than anything you could possibly do to them.

[Smash Adams]

Brand New is indie, right?

+50 cred
Not as indie as My Chemical Romance, sounding like queen is the next hipster trend

[briewer]

What you're describing is someone who likes underground or indie music, which I don't have a problem with.
But that's what a hipster is. What you're describing is an asshole, and I'm sure everyone will agree, an asshole is an asshole.

[DePeachMode]

But that's what a hipster is. What you're describing is an asshole, and I'm sure everyone will agree, an asshole is an asshole.

Hipsters are assholes. That's how I've been taught.

[oddwithoutend]

I hipster is a person that is hip. See you next time.

[The Personist]

I hipster is a person that is hip. See you next time.

Rickkkkkk!

I miss you.

/emotions

[Cuddleworthy]

Hipsters are assholes. That's how I've been taught.

This is just a sick, sick generalizaton. I know some hipsters that are good people

[DePeachMode]

I just don't understand why people who are blatant fakes would bother you, like, at all. So they're living a lie and are ultimately going to be unhappy; why should you care? I'm pretty sure when they eventually realize that they're frauds it will hurt so much more than anything you could possibly do to them.

It just bugs me. I'm not going to call them out on it, but someone called indie 'hipster' music, which really irks me, so I just told them what I view a hipster as. Then people got all uppity about it, and this thread got increasingly stupider and stupider as people got more and more defensive for no reason.

[DePeachMode]

This is just a sick, sick generalizaton. I know some hipsters that are good people

Good people can also be assholes about music. Seriously, you're making this a lot harder than it has to be.

[thespearkid]

Hipsters are assholes. That's how I've been taught.
So, if you see someone dressed like a hipster, you automatically assume they're an asshole? I'd argue in that scenario that you're the asshole. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[briewer]

Hipsters are assholes. That's how I've been taught.
Rick got it right.

It just bugs me. I'm not going to call them out on it, but someone called indie 'hipster' music, which really irks me, so I just told them what I view a hipster as. Then people got all uppity about it, and this thread got increasingly stupider and stupider as people got more and more defensive for no reason.
Why? If they don't really know what they're talking about, you now have a golden opportunity to embarrass them on their lack of knowledge and give yourself a false sense of superiority, all the while knowing that their fraudulence will eventually eat them away from the inside. What's not to like?

[oddwithoutend]

Rickkkkkk!

I miss you.

/emotions

I feel like offending people tonight.

[briewer]

This is just a sick, sick generalizaton. I know some hipsters that are good people
Me?

[The Personist]

I feel like offending people tonight.

Let's do it. YOu missed my poetry throwdown with JTate in the Brand New thread.

[DePeachMode]

So, if you see someone dressed like a hipster, you automatically assume they're an asshole? I'd argue in that scenario that you're the asshole. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't give a shit what they're dressed like. Christ, I wear flannel too fairly often. It just bugs me a lot if people are fake about things like this.

[DePeachMode]

Why? If they don't really know what they're talking about, you now have a golden opportunity to embarrass them on their lack of knowledge and give yourself a false sense of superiority, all the while knowing that their fraudulence will eventually eat them away from the inside. What's not to like?

Because I don't get off on being a dick like that?

[briewer]

Let's do it. YOu missed my poetry throwdown with JTate in the Brand New thread.
Rap battle?

[tommy's ghost]

I think AP should censor "hipster" from posts from now on.

[oddwithoutend]

Let's do it. YOu missed my poetry throwdown with JTate in the Brand New thread.

haha Damn. Did you destroy him?

[Cuddleworthy]

Me?


You're too mainstream to be a hipster brah, sorry.

[The Personist]

Rap battle?

No. He told me I can't objectively analyze poetry. This is fucking false as shit.

I think AP should censor "hipster" from posts from now on.

Fascist.

[briewer]

Because I don't get off on being a dick like that?
It's not being a dick if you're right. That's why people still like togepi even though he spends a lot of his time here being an asshole.

[DePeachMode]

It's not being a dick if you're right. That's why people still like togepi even though he spends a lot of his time here being an asshole.

Even if you're right, you're still being a dick. If people are ignorant, let them wallow in their ignorance. They tend to like you less if you call them out on being up to their eyes in shit. Just sayin.

[tommy's ghost]

Fascist.

*****er.

[briewer]

You're too mainstream to be a hipster brah, sorry.
How so? I mean, any discrepancies in my music tastes are surely made up for by the fact that I'm getting my degree in philosophy.

[The Personist]

haha Damn. Did you destroy him?

Well...absolutely. Check your PMs.

[briewer]

Even if you're right, you're still being a dick. If people are ignorant, let them wallow in their ignorance. They tend to like you less if you call them out on being up to their eyes in shit. Just sayin.
Why should you care if ignorant asshole frauds like you less?

[DePeachMode]

Why should you care if ignorant asshole frauds like you less?

Because, like I said earlier, you can be a good person even if you're an asshole about music and don't know jack shit.

[Cuddleworthy]

How so? I mean, any discrepancies in my music tastes are surely made up for by the fact that I'm getting my degree in philosophy.

Music taste reigns supreme.

On a more serious note, I just looked at your top albums of 2008 list...lots of good albums but the order you have them in is just blowing my mind.

[tommy's ghost]

Because, like I said earlier, you can be a good person even if you're an asshole about music and don't know jack shit.

You're not giving off the good person vibe.

This is a lie.

[The Personist]

How so? I mean, any discrepancies in my music tastes are surely made up for by the fact that I'm getting my degree in philosophy.

:highfive:

Well, I'm literature and theater...but we're still BFFs, right?

[DePeachMode]

You're not giving off the good person vibe.

This is a lie.

:-(

[oddwithoutend]

Well...absolutely. Check your PMs.

haha Nice wheels, son.

[Cuddleworthy]

:highfive:

Well, I'm literature and theater...but we're still BFFs, right?

Economics WUT

In an ideal world I'd probably be literature or something as well, but the people paying for my rather expensive education are expecting some kind of return on their investment so I can't be jobless after graduation. lawl

[briewer]

Music taste reigns supreme.

On a more serious note, I just looked at your top albums of 2008 list...lots of good albums but the order you have them in is just blowing my mind.
Yeah, I revised them and posted it on FB (http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=52121109932), and never made the correction here. I'd probably even change that order again, because I'm so bad at taking the long view on any releases and just hype up whatever I've just listened to, but whatever. I'm not fit for reviewing music.

[nlo13]

:highfive:

Well, I'm literature and theater...but we're still BFFs, right?

Woah PA resident and theater major. Maybe then you've actually heard of my college unlike everyone else around me (Muhlenberg)

[briewer]

:highfive:

Well, I'm literature and theater...but we're still BFFs, right?
Mos def.

[thespearkid]

I don't give a shit what they're dressed like. Christ, I wear flannel too fairly often. It just bugs me a lot if people are fake about things like this.
So you don't consider someone a hipster unless they're an asshole?

[briewer]

Because, like I said earlier, you can be a good person even if you're an asshole about music and don't know jack shit.
I could go in depth into what a 'good person' is (because o mai gawd, I'm like SO cultured because I'm studying philosophy!) but I'll let the conversation die there.

[oddwithoutend]

Economics WUT

In an ideal world I'd probably be literature or something as well, but the people paying for my rather expensive education are expecting some kind of return on their investment so I can't be jobless after graduation. lawl

I'm in the same boat. haha I'm a physics major.

[tommy's ghost]

So you don't consider someone a hipster unless they're an asshole?

A hiphole?

...I am so sorry.

[The Personist]

Woah PA resident and theater major. Maybe then you've actually heard of my college unlike everyone else around me (Muhlenberg)

One of the ones I considered before I got into American University on Early Decision.

Mos def.

<3 wanna see my rap battle with tate? or whatever? I'm proud of my argumentative prowess

So you don't consider someone a hipster unless they're an asshole?

I thought the two were interchangeable. At least, Max Bemis told me so.

[Cuddleworthy]

Yeah, I revised them and posted it on FB (http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=52121109932), and never made the correction here. I'd probably even change that order again, because I'm so bad at taking the long view on any releases and just hype up whatever I've just listened to, but whatever. I'm not fit for reviewing music.

That link just takes me to my own FB but I will just give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your revised list is flawless

[oddwithoutend]

I could go in depth into what a 'good person' is (because o mai gawd, I'm like SO cultured because I'm studying philosophy!) but I'll let the conversation die there.

I stopped studying philosophy when I became overwhelmed with suicidal thoughts. That decision may have saved my life.

[thespearkid]

A hiphole?

...I am so sorry.
Hahahaha. :-d

One of the ones I considered before I got into American University on Early Decision.



<3 wanna see my rap battle with tate? or whatever? I'm proud of my argumentative prowess



I thought the two were interchangeable. At least, Max Bemis told me so.
I was thinking of asking this kid if he was a Say Anything fan.

[tommy's ghost]

I thought the two were interchangeable. At least, Max Bemis told me so.

Everytime you listen to Built to Spill, Max Bemis strangles a baby.

[ohitsmark]

Genre's suck.

[thespearkid]

Everytime you listen to Built to Spill, Max Bemis strangles a baby.
DON'T STICK YOUR NOSE UP AT ME!

http://cdn2.maxim.com/blender/files/2008/01/07/doyourockmaxbemis/tn_DoYouRockMaxBemis.jpg

[Cuddleworthy]

genre is suck

[The Personist]

Everytime you listen to Built to Spill, Max Bemis strangles a baby.

...I killed a lotta babies this summer.

[briewer]

That link just takes me to my own FB but I will just give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your revised list is flawless
Oops. Here's the top ten:

01. No Age- Nouns
02. Deerhunter- Mircocastle
03. Cut Copy- In Ghost Colours
04. Women- Women
05. Portishead- Third
06. Abe Vigoda- Skeleton
07. TV On The Radio- Dear Science,
08. Hercules and Love Affair- Hercules and Love Affair
09. Titus Andronicus- The Airing Of Grievances
10. Times New Viking- Rip It Off

Meh. Definitely a little better, but I would still probably change some stuff.

[tommy's ghost]

DON'T STICK YOUR NOSE UP AT ME!

http://cdn2.maxim.com/blender/files/2008/01/07/doyourockmaxbemis/tn_DoYouRockMaxBemis.jpg

Hahaha. That picture never fails to get me.

As soon as I see it, "I'm Too Sexy" starts playing in my head.

[Cuddleworthy]

i need a car, max bemis needs a guy

[briewer]

I stopped studying philosophy when I became overwhelmed with suicidal thoughts. That decision may have saved my life.
I think I got into philosophy because I had suicidal thoughts. I had given up on religion and went looking for my tangible answers to life's questions, and ended up there.

[tommy's ghost]

...I killed a lotta babies this summer.

Write a song about drowning them if you knew that their mothers wouldn't cry.

[Cuddleworthy]

Oops. Here's the top ten:

01. No Age- Nouns
02. Deerhunter- Mircocastle
03. Cut Copy- In Ghost Colours
04. Women- Women
05. Portishead- Third
06. Abe Vigoda- Skeleton
07. TV On The Radio- Dear Science,
08. Hercules and Love Affair- Hercules and Love Affair
09. Titus Andronicus- The Airing Of Grievances
10. Times New Viking- Rip It Off

Meh. Definitely a little better, but I would still probably change some stuff.

It's a decent list, but Nouns at #1 still makes me cringe. I'd give Microcastle the top spot.

[The Personist]

Write a song about drowning them if you knew that their mothers wouldn't cry.

You won't know about it if I do.

[briewer]

It's a decent list, but Nouns at #1 still makes me cringe. I'd give Microcastle the top spot.
Yeah, that was definitely item number one on "things I would change."

[nonamesleft]

Lacking.


But genres are suck.

[oddwithoutend]

I think I got into philosophy because I had suicidal thoughts. I had given up on religion and went looking for my tangible answers to life's questions, and ended up there.

Some people can philosophize all their life and remain optimistic. Others, such as myelf, are not so fortunate. Personally, it lead to superiority complex and a remarkable ability to read/judge people, and those traits lead to massive depression.

[tommy's ghost]

You won't know about it if I do.

Yeah.

[tommy's ghost]

Oops. Here's the top ten:

01. No Age- Nouns
02. Deerhunter- Mircocastle
03. Cut Copy- In Ghost Colours
04. Women- Women
05. Portishead- Third
06. Abe Vigoda- Skeleton
07. TV On The Radio- Dear Science,
08. Hercules and Love Affair- Hercules and Love Affair
09. Titus Andronicus- The Airing Of Grievances
10. Times New Viking- Rip It Off

Meh. Definitely a little better, but I would still probably change some stuff.

mmmmtitusandronicusmmmm

[oddwithoutend]

Genres oppress pop punk enthusiasts.

/postmodernity

[kearn1tm]

It just bugs me. I'm not going to call them out on it, but someone called indie 'hipster' music, which really irks me, so I just told them what I view a hipster as. Then people got all uppity about it, and this thread got increasingly stupider and stupider as people got more and more defensive for no reason.

You want people to conform their sense of fun and aesthetic to one you deem more acceptible. You can't stand the fact that there are kids dressing a particular way and listening to certain things that entertain them. Whether they're genuine about their love of [x y z] doesn't matter. They're having fun. Who cares? Stop being a fascist. Stop demanding the perfect consortium of genuine acceptability and style. You sound like a tool.

Oh, and 16 year olds having access to puns leads to disaster everytime. Your name, for instance.

[oddwithoutend]

16 year olds having access to puns leads to disaster everytime.

hahaha This is priceless.

[tommy's ghost]

You want people to conform their sense of fun and aesthetic to one you deem more acceptible. You can't stand the fact that there are kids dressing a particular way and listening to certain things that entertain them. Whether they're genuine about their love of [x y z] doesn't matter. They're having fun. Who cares? Stop being a fascist. Stop demanding to perfect consortium of genuine acceptability. You sound like a tool.

Oh, and 16 year olds having access to puns leads to disaster everytime. Your name, for instance.

This is why you're a superb poster.

Edit: "Acceptable." Sorry.

[yellowhouse]

Says the guy with the GSY!BE avatar.

Dont hate, Godspeed was fucking unbelievable.

[theguy77]

hipster music rules. i used to give it a negative stigma until i actually heard some bands. if i were to give a reason the bands are so trendy among hipsters is because 1) it tends to be music that is pretty stylistically diverse, thus appealing to so-called "hipsters" who have heard basically everything and find a lot of music to be overly cliche or narrowly channeled, and 2) it's really poppy and addictive on top of all that diversity. so when you think about it, you're basically getting more diverse and more intelligible pop music. what's not to like about that?

[The Personist]

Genres oppress pop punk enthusiasts.

/postmodernity

NOt that postmodern at all.

[Cuddleworthy]

NOt that postmodern at all.

Throwing that little term around has to be one of the surest ways to get your attention hahaha

[chipdip18]

But Max Bemis said postmodern.

[The Personist]

Throwing that little term around has to be one of the surest ways to get your attention hahaha

Because it gets a bad rap unnecessarily because Max Beardless decided it would be a good idea to use it.

[theguy77]

But Max Bemis said postmodern.

he also said humanism. he probably even forged his own documentation for a bachelor's degree in philosophy.

[Cuddleworthy]

he also said humanism. he probably even forged his own documentation for a bachelor's degree in philosophy.

frank abagnale wannabe

[kearn1tm]

hipster music rules. i used to give it a negative stigma until i actually heard some bands. if i were to give a reason the bands are so trendy among hipsters is because 1) it tends to be music that is pretty stylistically diverse, thus appealing to so-called "hipsters" who have heard basically everything and find a lot of music to be overly cliche or narrowly channeled, and 2) it's really poppy and addictive on top of all that diversity. so when you think about it, you're basically getting more diverse and more intelligible pop music. what's not to like about that?

You make me hate some of the bands I like.

/ihateyouryan

[chipdip18]

he also said humanism. he probably even forged his own documentation for a bachelor's degree in philosophy. Well that's kind of impressive. Forgery i mean.

[theguy77]

You make me hate some of the bands I like.

/ihateyouryan

get the fuck out of here with this hipster subversion. its impossible to hate the ryan and you know it.

[theguy77]

Well that's kind of impressive. Forgery i mean.

its one of his many skills, along with whining and thesuarus research.

[kearn1tm]

"Hipster music is diverse. Everything I say is so retarded, retards laugh at it...then cry...because they're retarded."

Cowboy music.

Shut up, Ryan. Fucking Ryan.

[chipdip18]

its one of his many skills, along with whining and thesuarus research.

Thesaurus research being his forte.

Dude, but it's all about the past. The next step beyond indie hipster is The Beatles and The Velvet Underground.

[Cuddleworthy]

The Beatles are a step backwards

[briewer]

Dont hate, Godspeed was fucking unbelievable.
Don't get me wrong, I love them. But what he was saying was some pot kettle black shit.

[chipdip18]

The Beatles are a step backwards

Pffft no way. Indie Hipster only makes scratches into the 90s. 60s are a step up.

[Cuddleworthy]

Pffft no way. Indie Hipster only makes scratches into the 90s. 60s are a step up.

I'm tellin ya, it's troo. Hipsters like the 70s and 80s too

[chipdip18]

I'm tellin ya, it's troo. Hipsters like the 70s and 80s too

If you mean The Clash and The Smiths then i agree. Na ah ah ah ah.

[Cuddleworthy]

the clash, not so much. the smiths, yeah.

[chipdip18]

Yeah, definitely more The Smiths than The Clash.

[Cuddleworthy]

joy division more than the clash.

[chipdip18]

There we go! Good call for sure.

[The Personist]

Libertines > Smiths


Also, I like JoBros because it's ironic.

[Cuddleworthy]

ahem

[chipdip18]

Gross

[The Personist]

The JoBros bit was a joke.

[chipdip18]

That's a relief.

[The Personist]

Libertines > Smiths still stands.

[Cuddleworthy]

:tophat:

[The Personist]

Are you calling me a fraud?

[Cuddleworthy]

that's just what I imagine you look like

[The Personist]

Moar beardz.

[Cuddleworthy]

srs?

[The Personist]

supduh.

/iwishihadabeard

[Cuddleworthy]

hopes: crushed.

[The Personist]

<3 Radek stillz

/i has metaphysical beardz?

[Cuddleworthy]

perfect. i'm not a big fan of real beardz anywai

[The Personist]

Marriage?

[oddwithoutend]

NOt that postmodern at all.

Arguing that the creation of a label has an effect on our concepts of those people under that label is indeed postmodern. I know my stuff, son.

[Chromefox]

"Indie" just means that a band is on an independent label. Similar to the "alternative" music to mainstream.

[thespearkid]

Indie doesn't mean anything, like all words. It only means what we say it means.

[The Personist]

Arguing that the creation of a label has an effect on our concepts of those people under that label is indeed postmodern. I know my stuff, son.

Don't call me son, bitch ;-)

That's not what you argued. You said that genres were oppressive to pop-punk fans. Pop-punk is oppressive to pop-punk fans. Genres oppress music fans.

/semantics
/i hate it when i'm wrong

[oddwithoutend]

Indie doesn't mean anything, like all words. It only means what we say it means.

But we must beware of what we say these words mean, as they will affect our concepts of them.

[The Personist]

Omg deconstruction

[thespearkid]

But we must beware of what we say these words mean, as they will affect our concepts of them.
The only thing that affects are concepts of them is an inherent human need to privilege one part of a pair of binary oppositions.

[The Personist]

Stop. I'm all hot 'n' bothered.

[oddwithoutend]

Don't call me son, bitch ;-)

That's not what you argued. You said that genres were oppressive to pop-punk fans. Pop-punk is oppressive to pop-punk fans. Genres oppress music fans.

/semantics
/i hate it when i'm wrong

You're not allowed to argue with me about things. :-)

[The Personist]

You're not allowed to argue with me about things. :-)

John Darnielle just used the word "paramours" in a song. Does that mean I get cred if I download Riot?


Also...I agree with you on lots of things. We need to have like an IM conversation on aesthetics and art sometime, Rick. Fo sho.

[oddwithoutend]

John Darnielle just used the word "paramours" in a song. Does that mean I get cred if I download Riot?


Also...I agree with you on lots of things. We need to have like an IM conversation on aesthetics and art sometime, Rick. Fo sho.

Yeah we probably agree more often than not. And yeah, mos def.

[The Personist]

Yeah we probably agree more often than not. And yeah, mos def.

I disagree with you about how awesome togepi is ;-)

Also, do you have AIM? if yes, what is your sn?

[oddwithoutend]

I disagree with you about how awesome togepi is ;-)

Also, do you have AIM? if yes, what is your sn?

Nah, I don't man. I have windows live messenger/msn.

[briewer]

supduh.

/iwishihadabeard
I have a beard for realz.

I know you love me even more now.

[The Personist]

I have a beard for realz.

I know you love me even more now.

Pics or it didn't happen.

/mildly creepy

[briewer]

Pics or it didn't happen.

/mildly creepy
Give me a sec...

[briewer]

Pics or it didn't happen.

/mildly creepy
Alright, with today's Chicago Tribune front page for proof:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_u_em1Zju8aU/Soj3Tr4bU4I/AAAAAAAAAmw/z6X1Tpc2CPU/s800/Photo%2090.jpg

:-p

[The Personist]

Alright, with today's Chicago Tribune front page for proof:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_u_em1Zju8aU/Soj3Tr4bU4I/AAAAAAAAAmw/z6X1Tpc2CPU/s800/Photo%2090.jpg

:-p

IT'S BACKWARDS! THE NEWSPAPER IS A FAKE!

[HangsLikeHeaven]

Mediocre beard at best.

[briewer]

Mediocre beard at best.
Yeah, it develops more under the chin than it does the sides. Still, I look like I'm a five year old without it so I don't really have a choice.

[briewer]

IT'S BACKWARDS! THE NEWSPAPER IS A FAKE!
Drat! Foiled again!

[fadedmemories]

I'll listen to a ban as long as my friends have never heard of them.

[underthetalking]

You're really misreading my posts here. I like Animal Collective, I like Grizzly Bear, I like the Antlers, I like a lot of bands P4K shits praise over. But I don't like them because it's the 'in' thing. I like them because I like them. Not to be trendy or a hipster or whatever, but because they sounds good. Meanwhile, plenty of people latch onto music hitting the scene just because it's getting hyped out of proportion, claim to love it without listening, and continue to claim to love it to present an image and act as cool and aloof as possible. I love music, and I love just about all the artists I listen to, so I tend to take offense when people listen to music for reasons other than enjoyment, for 'cred' as you put it.

Read what I say and comprehend before you attack me next time.

I want proof of people liking a band because its the 'in' thing. Give me that proof. Because I guaran-fucking-tee they will say the exact same thing you said about why they like them. Your holier than thou attitude is just as offensive as the crimes you claim "hipsters" commit.

[timbedinosaur]

This thread is very dumb.

[chipdip18]

This thread is very dumb.

Your Avatar is not.

[EvilZeppelin]

Why give a shit about hipsters when we have emo's to worry about?

[tca_123]

Why give a shit about hipsters when we have emo's to worry about?

that is as wise and poignant as they come lol

[theguy77]

Why give a shit about hipsters when we have emo's to worry about?

or, why give a fuck about ANY scenesters when we have music that can be enjoyed regardless?

how's that for wise and poignant?

[theguy77]

I want proof of people liking a band because its the 'in' thing. Give me that proof. Because I guaran-fucking-tee they will say the exact same thing you said about why they like them. Your holier than thou attitude is just as offensive as the crimes you claim "hipsters" commit.

this. besides, its probably more "in" to hate on that kind of music than to enjoy it, at least on this site it definitely is.

[EvilZeppelin]

or, why give a fuck about ANY scenesters when we have music that can be enjoyed regardless?

how's that for wise and poignant?

Agree and true.

[PopPunkKid]

I tend to listen to some bands that could fall into the "indie" cateogry I guess, although they all definetly fall into the more mainstream side of it that's really just bordering on pop-rock.

I've seen some people consider Weezer "indie" before, and they're my favorite band, but I strongly disagree with that tag for them.

[yayitsjoe]

i'm all over the place.

[yayitsjoe]

also, *insert "Admit It!"*

[Hockeywall]

I've never had a problem with "hipster" bands, I've had more of a problem with the hipsters that listen to them.

Pretty much this. Went to work the YYY's in Toronto and the Toronto hipsters were too "cool"/a bunch of stuck-up snobs

[Yellowcard2006]

I don't really care what music other people listen to or why they listen to it (unless I'm looking for a rec). The only reason this discussion is even happening is because of the internet.

[theguy77]

also, *insert "Admit It!"*

right because everyone who doesnt listen to scene music is a fake.

[SickOfStars]

Let's play a game:

Everyone stop cauterwalling at each other and go listen to an album you love or try to write music.

Look how much more constructive and fun that is! wow!

[theguy77]

Let's play a game:

Everyone stop cauterwalling at each other and go listen to an album you love or try to write music.

Look how much more constructive and fun that is! wow!

but i love cauterwalling :-(

but you're right, writing music is a thousand times more constructive than this site. and yet, i have 22.5k posts and only two fully written songs for my next album.

[SickOfStars]

but i love cauterwalling :-(

but you're right, writing music is a thousand times more constructive than this site.

I probably should've put "or discuss things in a way that actually goes somewhere," but I figured it wasn't drastic enough to prove my point haha.

[DePeachMode]

Holy shit, this is still going on?

[SickOfStars]

Holy shit, this is still going on?

DO YOU SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE?!?!??!??!?! X-)

[DePeachMode]

DO YOU SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE?!?!??!??!?! X-)

But I didn't do anything! I made one comment that everyone misinterpreted as me being a condescending prick and now almost 250 posts later here we are.

Can this be done now? Like, officially?

[bard]

In all honestly, this site is kind of backwards from everything else, nowhere else would this amount of 22 year olds be listneing to Mayday Parade, but hey, whatever.
going in my signature

[SickOfStars]

But I didn't do anything! I made one comment that everyone misinterpreted as me being a condescending prick and now almost 250 posts later here we are.

Can this be done now? Like, officially?

I was totally kidding hahaha.

But yeah, it is time to let this die off.

[DePeachMode]

I was totally kidding hahaha.

But yeah, it is time to let this die off.

Haha, i know. I'm just a little exasperated that this is going to go down as my first effort here at AP.

[SickOfStars]

Haha, i know. I'm just a little exasperated that this is going to go down as my first effort here at AP.

People will get over it. I mean, if I'm being perfectly honest, I don't think you did a good job of expressing yourself on the matter, and it did sound pretty condescending. However, just talking to you now I can tell that's not what you're all about.

I think if you just post around for a while in discussions it'll fade. Don't worry about it too much, it's the internet for chrissakes, you know?

[chipdip18]

People will get over it. I mean, if I'm being perfectly honest, I don't think you did a good job of expressing yourself on the matter, and it did sound pretty condescending. However, just talking to you now I can tell that's not what you're all about.

I think if you just post around for a while in discussions it'll fade. Don't worry about it too much, it's the internet for chrissakes, you know?

Don't get me wrong, i like you, but your avatar turns me off to boobs.

[Robototron]

Why give a shit about hipsters when we have emo's to worry about?

If a thread about whether or not "indie" is cool or "hipsters" really suck wasn't enough, this post really makes me think it's 2005 all over again.

[Cuddleworthy]

hipstars are just evolved emos

[Robototron]

hipstars are just evolved emos

I know you were kidding, but this is actually kind of true. Looking at the people I knew from my childhood who grew up to become stereotypical "hipsters" or "emos," they were all pretty similar. It's just that all the hipsters started doing coke before they discovered bad poetry and Warped Tour.

[briewer]

I know you were kidding, but this is actually kind of true. Looking at the people I knew from my childhood who grew up to become stereotypical "hipsters" or "emos," they were all pretty similar. It's just that all the hipsters started doing coke before they discovered bad poetry and Warped Tour.
:lol:

[Cuddleworthy]

i was only half kidding

[SickOfStars]

Don't get me wrong, i like you, but your avatar turns me off to boobs.

black metal albums aren't supposed to make you like boobs :-P

[The Personist]

black metal albums aren't supposed to make you like boobs :-P

EXACTLY! They're supposed to make you hate Jews.

[chipdip18]

black metal albums aren't supposed to make you like boobs :-P

No offense to the genre, but i'm picking boobs over black metal.

[The Personist]

No offense to the genre, but i'm picking boobs over black metal.

Cradle of Filth makes great use of both. Watch their videos.

I know they're not really black metal, you fucking genre nazis.