Well the war is almost over lets celebrate...

[The Nephilm]

http://members.cox.net/claydon99/1049734434.3355533394

Aww thats cute isn't it.

[EmoMoose86]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
Aww thats cute isn't it.


Dear god you have a sick sense of humour.

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
http://members.cox.net/claydon99/1049734434.3355533394

Aww thats cute isn't it. See? Even he's happy, and he's down a couple arms.

PS. Yay! The forums are back! I missed you guys! *sniff*

[Justin_stacy]

Hey why dont ya post a pick of the thousands of iraqis dancing in the streets, or hugging the USA soliders, or cheering and yelling the they LOVE BUSH for rescuing them?

[The Nephilm]

reguardless you need to be reminded that thousands suffered and died in this "freedom" of the Iraqi people.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
reguardless you need to be reminded that thousands suffered and died in this "freedom" of the Iraqi people.

Ya but millions will also benifet from this "Freedom."

[EmoMoose86]

22 million or so people live in Iraq--- all of them will be "freed" as they say.
Yes, between 100 and 1000 civilians have died- there has not been a set documented civilian death count that has been caused by Coalition forces. Sure, i saw on the news today that "1200" civilians have been killed - as reported by Al-Jazzira (spelling???) but seriously, we really don't know what hits what. How do we know that it wasnt anti-aircraft fire that fell to the ground (because simple physics will tell you- that when large bullets go up in the sky to shoot down planes- they do infact- fall to the ground and explode) How do we know if Saddam himself ordered strategic bombings of civilian areas - so that he could blame Americans? We really don't.
But all in all, for invaiding a country, over throwing a regime, and taking a city of 5 million people in less than a month--- the death count on all sides have been extremely low. (101 US deaths- thats it- thats less than the first Gulf War). A death is sad - and tragic... but putting it in the perspective of whats going on- it really is not a large amount.
Plus, you gotta remember, that 22 million or so Iraqis are being liberated, a horrible regime has been toppled, and now we can start finding the WMD --- 100 feet under Baghdad haha.
Successful Mission.

[bossydacow]

nobody can talk about how we saved the iraqis until we really did save them. We still need to establish a gov. and a good one. this thing is not over.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by bossydacow
We still need to establish a gov. and a good one.

I thought you guys didn't want the US to set up a government, why the change of heart?

[yeat182]

Originally posted by bossydacow
nobody can talk about how we saved the iraqis until we really did save them. We still need to establish a gov. and a good one. this thing is not over.


we saved them from saddam

[EmoMoose86]

We have saved them from saddam i totally agree with yeat
and I agree with bossydacow--- this war isnt over untill the fat lady sings

[unopinionated]

that is probably a picture of a child that saddam tortured in order to force his dad to fight for Iraq.

[EastCoastPunk]

yea nelphim *** ain't that some shit. you were the one talking shit about how bad we were doin in the war. and did you see how happy those people were ripping down that statue? yea sorry your pictures of the price of war don't change the fact that our country has done a great thing in freeing those people.

[NOFXdesendents5]

hahahahah! that was funny!

it figures that the liberals only think of the worst things, and neglect to think that this stuff happens, and the rest of the country will prosper.

TWO THINGS TO LIVE BY:

Wars always have casualties

Shit Happens

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
I thought you guys didn't want the US to set up a government, why the change of heart?

because now that we've demolished their land and government, it would be far more evil of us to just leave them to pick up the pieces. Bush has to clean up after himself, and he better do it according to the iraqi's wishes.

[NOFXdesendents5]

Originally posted by bossydacow
because now that we've demolished their land and government, it would be far more evil of us to just leave them to pick up the pieces. Bush has to clean up after himself, and he better do it according to the iraqi's wishes.

no shit dumbass and he will because he is a leader of a democratic country. therefore, he is spreading democracy. they just had a dictator, were not going to give them a saddam jr. to lead.

[bossydacow]

just because we will give them a nicer leader doesn't mean they will like him.

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by unopinionated
that is probably a picture of a child that saddam tortured in order to force his dad to fight for Iraq.

he was injured by US 'smart' bombs. Irony? ?? ?????

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by EastCoastPunk
yea nelphim *** ain't that some shit. you were the one talking shit about how bad we were doin in the war. and did you see how happy those people were ripping down that statue? yea sorry your pictures of the price of war don't change the fact that our country has done a great thing in freeing those people.

I never said a god damn thing about the sentiment of the Iraqi people- but just because CNN shoes a group of 50 celebrating we don't know what the other 22 million are thinking.

I'm sure that as of now the general feeling of the Iraqi people is relief, however unless this 'government' that Bush is going to set up actually improves their lives they won't stay happy with the US for long.

The picture is to remind you kiddies that war does actually have consequences and isn't a fucking movie like the major networks have turn Operation Iraqi "Freedom" into.

[day in paradise]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
he was injured by US 'smart' bombs. Irony? ?? ?????

Even the smartest of things make mistakes, cant you just forgive and forget?

[unopinionated]

he was injured by US 'smart' bombs. Irony? ?? ?????

do u know this for a fact? were you actually there?did u actually see the side of the bomb that said "US smart bomb" when it hit the kid???? i highly doubt it. your believing a bunch of iraqi propaganda. For the sake of arguement lets just say that it was a us smart bomb.....did u also know that the russians sold devices used to steer us smart bombs off target, which if the iraqis used these devices on as many us smart bombs as possible, then that would result in a ton of civilian casualties....so are most of the casualties our fault or theirs?

another point on freedom- freedom is never free, there is a price to be paid. with that said let me remind you that our great country of america was also once ruled by tyranny. For us to enjoy the many freedoms that we have right now, hundreds of thousands of lives we're lost (both civilian and military) so we could live in the free country that we do. Every single life that was lost so that we could gain this freedom is worth it. The Iraqi lives that were lost so that they could gain freedom is also worth it. And i would also like to point out that the lives lost are incredibly small considering we launched the greatest air campaign against a single country in the entire history of mankind...

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
I never said a god damn thing about the sentiment of the Iraqi people- but just because CNN shoes a group of 50 celebrating we don't know what the other 22 million are thinking.

I'm sure that as of now the general feeling of the Iraqi people is relief, however unless this 'government' that Bush is going to set up actually improves their lives they won't stay happy with the US for long.

The picture is to remind you kiddies that war does actually have consequences and isn't a fucking movie like the major networks have turn Operation Iraqi "Freedom" into.

It was actually a thousand plus not 50 and there are 6 million people living in baghdad not 22 million.

[unopinionated]

It was actually a thousand plus not 50 and there are 6 million people living in baghdad not 22 million.

is it for sure 6 million? I heard from the radio it was 14 million, and i was like holy crap thats alot...i think new york has something around 9 million....idk, give me a internet source or something of the population if u got it, thx

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by unopinionated
is it for sure 6 million? I heard from the radio it was 14 million, and i was like holy crap thats alot...i think new york has something around 9 million....idk, give me a internet source or something of the population if u got it, thx

actually i guess we were both wrong its about 5 million.

http://populations.com/Country.asp?ID=78&CityID=3401

[xTSTLx]

i dont care whether you are liberal or conservative, or whatever the fuck you are, you have to realize the half of the media coverage on this thing is propaganda

[Stompemplay]

Originally posted by unopinionated
is it for sure 6 million? I heard from the radio it was 14 million, and i was like holy crap thats alot...i think new york has something around 9 million....idk, give me a internet source or something of the population if u got it, thx

Yea its 5 million and out of that i think like 600 or 700 were celebrating. Thats not a big percentage.

good to be back.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by Stompemplay
Yea its 5 million and out of that i think like 600 or 700 were celebrating. Thats not a big percentage.

good to be back.


600 or 700 were celebrating in that particular picture, there could be many many more, that aren't on camera, or there could be none. just because its a city of 5 million doesn't mean all 5 million love america, but it also doesn't mean that the 600 or 700 are the only ones celebrating...

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by unopinionated
do u know this for a fact? were you actually there?did u actually see the side of the bomb that said "US smart bomb" when it hit the kid???? i highly doubt it. your believing a bunch of iraqi propaganda. For the sake of arguement lets just say that it was a us smart bomb.....did u also know that the russians sold devices used to steer us smart bombs off target, which if the iraqis used these devices on as many us smart bombs as possible, then that would result in a ton of civilian casualties....so are most of the casualties our fault or theirs?

another point on freedom- freedom is never free, there is a price to be paid. with that said let me remind you that our great country of america was also once ruled by tyranny. For us to enjoy the many freedoms that we have right now, hundreds of thousands of lives we're lost (both civilian and military) so we could live in the free country that we do. Every single life that was lost so that we could gain this freedom is worth it. The Iraqi lives that were lost so that they could gain freedom is also worth it. And i would also like to point out that the lives lost are incredibly small considering we launched the greatest air campaign against a single country in the entire history of mankind...

Shouldn't you be spouting your creation theories to other uneducated inbred hicks???

The picture was taken from www.usnews.com
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20030407/i/1049734434.3355533394.jpg

12 year old Ali Ismaeel Abbas was fast asleep when a US missile obliterated his home, leaving him orphaned (killed were his brother, his father, and his pregnant mother). It also left him badly burned and blew off both his arms, effectively "liberating" him from the option of ever having a normal life.

"Can you help get my arms back? Do you think the doctors can get me another pair of hands? If I don't get a pair of hands I will commit suicide," Abbas said with tears spilling down his cheeks.'

No seriously please just get the fuck out of here. I've tried to be civil with you, but your posts do nothing other than infuriate people here. So go back to your bullshit bible thumping and leave me alone.

[unopinionated]

No seriously please just get the fuck out of here. I've tried to be civil with you, but your posts do nothing other than infuriate people here. So go back to your bullshit bible thumping and leave me alone.

thats a cool response, i like it when people get pissed off for stupid reasons. Don't get mad at me just because you cant put up logical arguements for your cause.

Everyone seems to be forgetting that there there are chemical weapon and nuclear bunkers for storage of these weapons being found inside Baghdad. Lets think a bout this...the point of having and storing these great weapons would be to use them quickly w/out having to go very far. So if they wanted to use them against US troops they would want them to be close to an army bunker or somewhere where they are being attacked or are attacking. So why would they have them in Baghdad? Because they plan to use them INSIDE Baghdad. Just like if we stored weapons like that inside New York City, there would be no point having them there unless we planned to use them there. So if this is true, then we just save hundreds of thousands of lives by stoping the use of those weapons inside such a huge city.

[blaarg]

fine. i'll post this again. read the 4th parograph:

https://publish.cbsnews.com/stories...ain534798.shtml

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by unopinionated
Don't get mad at me just because you cant put up logical arguements for your cause.


You believe that man walked the earth with Dinosaurs. Enough said.

And I got the fucking story from a conservative US publication. What exactly was I arguing? It was just a reminder to those of you that think the war in Iraq is just another Rambo flick.

[evil zach]

you mean its not?!?!?! sombody must tell CNN. and fast!

[EmoMoose86]

Here's some things to think about...

there have been... what? a thousand civilans that have been killed- and all of them- might i add- or at least most of them i hope- have been accidental.
This is the result of a war.
How many civilians do you think died under Saddam's Regime a year... 600? 1000?
How many civilians do you think would die if Saddam gave his WMD to terrorists- and have them blow it up in a US city? What if Saddam launched his chem weapons into Tel Aviv? How many civilians would die then?
My point:
If we didn't have this war- we'd see a lot more civilans die than us having the war--- in the long run.

[evil zach]

Saddam couldn;t have given any of his WMDs to terrorist. the reason is THERE ARN"T ANY!!!!

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by blaarg
fine. i'll post this again. read the 4th parograph:

https://publish.cbsnews.com/stories...ain534798.shtml

your sites dont work.

[blaarg]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
your sites dont work.
it was working last night, it was basically about how we supported saddam and gave him his chemical and biological weapons.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by blaarg
it was working last night, it was basically about how we supported saddam and gave him his chemical and biological weapons.

yes, and so did the french, germans, and russians. does that mean we should sit back and do nothing now? we are living in different times now, where the threat from rouge nations is much greater than it was in the 80's. the arguement that "we gave them the weapons" is pointless...yes we gave them the weapons...so what? he shouldn't have the weapons now, and we're stopping him.

[blaarg]

Originally posted by yeat182
yes, and so did the french, germans, and russians. does that mean we should sit back and do nothing now? we are living in different times now, where the threat from rouge nations is much greater than it was in the 80's. the arguement that "we gave them the weapons" is pointless...yes we gave them the weapons...so what? he shouldn't have the weapons now, and we're stopping him.
should they have had the weapons in the 80's? should we have had the weapons?
saddam has them in case of a scenerio (like this) where a world superpower is starting a war with him for no reason. he's not stupid and knows that using those weapons will ultimatley result in his demise.

[EmoMoose86]

Originally posted by evil zach
Saddam couldn;t have given any of his WMDs to terrorist. the reason is THERE ARN"T ANY!!!!

We'll see...

And the whole giving Iraq Chemical and Biological weapons- yea- we were authroized to- but there was no proof that we actually did. I too have pulled up that artical and used it.

The past shows the blunders of the United States... but this war- overall- has been highly successful and historical--- in a positive way.

Plus- I don't see WWIII as an outcome as Neph stated many a time- or scores and scores of civilans dead- or the American Military tapping the oil in a pipeline directly to the USA because we're corrupt and evil... etc.

Civilian deaths were minimal, coalition deaths were EXTREMELY minimal.... and we proved many countries and people wrong... who would have expected Baghdad would fall that quickly? Who would have thought they could win a war in about a Month? Not many--- even I thought this war would take longer.

This war has been one of the most successful in American History.

Prove me wrong?

[yeat182]

Originally posted by blaarg
he's not stupid and knows that using those weapons will ultimatley result in his demise.

not destroying those weapons over the past 12 years have resulted in his demise...

[EmoMoose86]

Originally posted by yeat182
not destroying those weapons over the past 12 years have resulted in his demise...

thumbs up :D

[yeat182]

Originally posted by evil zach
Saddam couldn;t have given any of his WMDs to terrorist. the reason is THERE ARN"T ANY!!!!


http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/12/sprj.irq.chemical/index.html

[NOFXdesendents5]

here's another article neph! lets not forget about the thousands who died in iraq's chemical strikes just because a missile that was misdirected by a russian made jamming device and one family.


http://www.iranexpert.com/2003/ussaddamschemical22january.htm

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
http://members.cox.net/claydon99/1049734434.3355533394

Aww thats cute isn't it.



http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=564&ncid=564&e=8&u=/nm/20030415/ts_nm/iraq_kuwait_child_dc_1

[xnotedgex]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by unopinionated
[B]do u know this for a fact? were you actually there?did u actually see the side of the bomb that said "US smart bomb" when it hit the kid???? i highly doubt it. your believing a bunch of iraqi propaganda. For the sake of arguement lets just say that it was a us smart bomb.....did u also know that the russians sold devices used to steer us smart bombs off target, which if the iraqis used these devices on as many us smart bombs as possible, then that would result in a ton of civilian casualties....so are most of the casualties our fault or theirs?

ok fool....in case you haven't been watching the pentagon briefings that are being given every day by rumsfeild and myers...they have stated that all jamming devices were destroyed before they were used on american missiles

know your stuff

[NOFXdesendents5]

ok fool....in case you haven't been watching the pentagon briefings that are being given every day by rumsfeild and myers...they have stated that all jamming devices were destroyed before they were used on american missiles

know your stuff [/B][/QUOTE]

word up biznatch. although i think the war was right, that was true.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by yeat182
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/12/sprj.irq.chemical/index.html
A soldier who performed the second pair of tests told CNN that little should be gathered from the findings, because no definitive answers would emerge until chemical experts arrive at the base and break into the warhead itself.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by evil zach
A soldier who performed the second pair of tests told CNN that little should be gathered from the findings, because no definitive answers would emerge until chemical experts arrive at the base and break into the warhead itself.


yeah, i know this isn't proof or anything, i was simply posting it because it was CNN and not Fox News, and i wanted to show that other news agencies are reporting this sort of thing as well.

[evil zach]

I just found this
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0416-05.htm

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
I just found this
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0416-05.htm


doesn't work.

[blaarg]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
http://members.cox.net/claydon99/1049734434.3355533394

Aww thats cute isn't it.
ahhhh... the great bush pro-life plan.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
doesn't work.
try it now