If You Could Burn a Book, or an Author...

[vodyanoj]

The literary quality of a text is not the only reason to recommend a book, though. Some texts should be read simply because they have been wildly influential or, for instance, because other texts make many references to them (the Bible comes to mind).

I strongly disagree with communism, but that wouldn't stop me from recommending the Communist Manifesto, or even go so far as to discourage someone from reading it.

Indeed. But that falls under the rubric of literary criticism as well. One can be aware of the shortcomings of style (Rand), or ideas (um, Rand again) and not necessarily discourage people from reading it but simply express one's opinion. Whether that would help people make up their mind is secondary. If I go on a rant against Stalin's useless collection of bombastic nothings or even imply that if I had them in my possession the thought of burning them on a cold winter eve would certainly not be far from my mind does not mean that I want to destroy them in their entirety. They are useful to historians at least, as an elucidation of what went wrong in the USSR in 1930s. In the same sense, i have read Mein Kampf to get the idea of what NOT to allow to happen agian, and how it can happen in a "civilized" country still. So yes, some use can be derived from all of them, even Rand :-d .

But not CS Lewis, or Alvin Plantinga.

[open mind]

No, since all are present throughout folk-tale and earlier fantasies of Morris, Dunsany, et al.

sure, he didn't invent the dwarf or anything but the dwarf wasn't always the loyal, gruff, macho, axe bearer, that might have loved drinking a little to much before tolkein.

[open mind]

He's not a terrible writer, but I think he is incredibly overrated.

i think he's definately overrated in the land of ap, but maybe a little under-appreciated among the general populace.

[paper halo]

opting not to pick or create an avatar indicates a lack of intelligence?

It was a white supremacy logo with the slogan "White pride world wide", at the time of my post.

[open mind]

It was a white supremacy logo with the slogan "White pride world wide", at the time of my post.

oh...yeah, that's an avatar that speaks volumes about the intelligence level of a person.

[vodyanoj]

sure, he didn't invent the dwarf or anything but the dwarf wasn't always the loyal, gruff, macho, axe bearer, that might have loved drinking a little to much before tolkein.

Well, of course. And I have never said that I dislike Tolkien: I said that he was a genius hack, but the genius part lies mostly in details, the land and its languages and history rather than character development and plotting. And as a stylist he is unoriginal and almost dull, but solid, if you like that kind of medieval feel, which I do a lot.

[open mind]

Well, of course. And I have never said that I dislike Tolkien: I said that he was a genius hack, but the genius part lies mostly in details, the land and its languages and history rather than character development and plotting. And as a stylist he is unoriginal and almost dull, but solid, if you like that kind of medieval feel, which I do a lot.

i never meant to suggest that you dislike tolkien and i'll agree on the character development part, but disagree with your opinion on his plotting.

before tolkien almost no one considered fantasy characters for anything but fodder for silly one-dimensional childrens stories.

[x togepi x]

ah the irony of the guy who got pissed off in general about clove cigarettes getting banned coming in here and talking about how this discussion is dangerous.

internet civil libertarians!

[Z-train]

Bill O Reilly
Diane Coulter

Fuck palin
fuck the pope

[allroysez]

the bible, and the twats that wrote it.

[vodyanoj]

i never meant to suggest that you dislike tolkien and i'll agree on the character development part, but disagree with your opinion on his plotting.

before tolkien almost no one considered fantasy characters for anything but fodder for silly one-dimensional childrens stories.

Sure, he did a great job popularizing the genre. But tehre were plenty others before him, and I am not talking about Robert Howard or any of the pulp writers (some of whom were quite awesome, however: Clark Ashton Smith, Fritz Leiber, C.L. Moore). High fantasy had quite a few people: Lord Dunsany, William Morris, Geroge Merritt, Hope Mirrlees. Nowadays they are considered to be classics, of course.

[Praetor]

No...CS Lewis is a piece of shit because of his homophobia, sexism and racism.




how can you not like harlan ellison or philip k. dick?



one of her books has someone getting raped and then deciding they liked it.
she is bad at writing.
she is about as pro-capitalist as you can get. no reforms, just free market.
she has such a hard on for personal responsibility that the message of her books is often that if you can't overcome terrible obstacles, then it's your fault for being weak.
she justifies white/male/straight privilege.
she justifies the might is right philosophy.
Which book is this?

[The Personist]

Which book is this?

Fountainhead.


Also, I would burn Oscar Wilde for being a gay.

[Praetor]

Don't make me take The Personist off of ignore just to be able to read the answer to my question. Could someone quote him?

[The Personist]

I demand to know why I've been ignored. If need be, I will throw a many-paragraphs-long temper tantrum.

[GeeBee]

Fountainhead.


Also, I would burn Oscar Wilde for being a gay.

Evan could light the flames with his already-burning cross.

[Praetor]

Evan could light the flames with his already-burning cross.
Was that post you just quoted in response to my post?

[The Personist]

Was that post you just quoted in response to my post?

I wish you could see this because I wanna know why I'm on ignore, dammit.

[GeeBee]

Was that post you just quoted in response to my post?

No. You need to unignore Personist.
He's a swell fellow.

[Praetor]

No. You need to unignore Personist.
He's a swell fellow.
haha okay, I'll just search "Ayn Rand rape" in Google and quit being lazy.

Also I do not enjoy The Personist/his posts. He is the definition of a hipster and I cannot stand it when he posts. Although he does write fairly decent poetry, which was one thing keeping me from ignoring him. But even his writing skills cannot salvage the full-on fuckery that is everything else he writes. It's like he woke up one day, read Kirkegaard, learned the word "pretentious", and decided it to use it ironically and act it out every time he posts. Incredibly obnoxious.

[GeeBee]

haha okay, I'll just search "Ayn Rand rape" in Google and quit being lazy.

Also I do not enjoy The Personist/his posts. He is the definition of a hipster and I cannot stand it when he posts. Although he does write fairly decent poetry, which was one thing keeping me from ignoring him. But even his writing skills cannot salvage the full-on fuckery that is everything else he writes.

:-d Stay out of the general forums, problem solved.

[Praetor]

haha I don't mind General so much.

[Praetor]

Hey, it was the Fountainhead. You fucker.

[Machu505]

The Personist? On ignore?!?!?!

What the fuck is this Nazi bullshit?

[The Personist]

haha okay, I'll just search "Ayn Rand rape" in Google and quit being lazy.

Also I do not enjoy The Personist/his posts. He is the definition of a hipster and I cannot stand it when he posts. Although he does write fairly decent poetry, which was one thing keeping me from ignoring him. But even his writing skills cannot salvage the full-on fuckery that is everything else he writes. It's like he woke up one day, read Kirkegaard, learned the word "pretentious", and decided it to use it ironically and act it out every time he posts. Incredibly obnoxious.

Actually, the first time I read Kierkegaard, it was at night. But other than that, you're probably right.

[GeeBee]

Actually, the first time I read Kierkegaard, it was at night. But other than that, you're probably right.
You pretentious, existential fuck.

[The Personist]

You pretentious, existential fuck.

and Wildean. Read my post in Evan's tribute thread to me.

[bung]

Also I do not enjoy The Personist/his posts. He is the definition of a hipster and I cannot stand it when he posts. Although he does write fairly decent poetry, which was one thing keeping me from ignoring him. But even his writing skills cannot salvage the full-on fuckery that is everything else he writes. It's like he woke up one day, read Kirkegaard, learned the word "pretentious", and decided it to use it ironically and act it out every time he posts. Incredibly obnoxious.

Hahahahaha, this was satisfying.

[x togepi x]

haha, Kirkegaard was the name drop in that post? really?

I thought i was the only one who jocked him on the board since everyone is so anti Christianity.

[Praetor]

haha, Kirkegaard was the name drop in that post? really?

I thought i was the only one who jocked him on the board since everyone is so anti Christianity.
I wasn't namedropping him, I was making fun of David for always doing so. I don't think I've ever read him. Although I could be mistaken.

[GeeBee]

Swedenborg > Kierkegaard.

Eat your heart out, David.

[The Personist]

Swedenborg > Kierkegaard.

Eat your heart out, David.

Wrong.

[GeeBee]

Wrong.

Took the bait! Nice to see you again!

[The Personist]

Took the bait! Nice to see you again!

Come Monday, I'll be around more frequently, though with more of a guilty conscience. It'll allow me to actively procrastinate instead of doing my work.

At any rate, I think it's stupid that I get accused of name dropping Kierkegaard and all this stuff. In fairness, the first two God threads featured some insanely long arguments with plenty of posts of substance. While I do wish I had time to rehash every argument I've ever made in previous threads, I don't have that luxury. The reason I get dismissive/just throw names out is because in all honesty, I've had the debate before and fleshed everything out. Furthermore, the people who are all like, "yeah, you're full of shit, fuck theology" seem to think that they can be dismissive of theology but I can't of whatever bullshit quips they dredge up to post and therefore conclusively prove that there are more glib atheists and agnostics than there are/were people of faith. The only people with whom debating anything has been remotely worthwhile are GeeBee, saysmydoctor, perceptrons, and vodyanoj (Dan hasn't been around for the past 2 threads) because I"ve actually learned something from the interchanges. If people want to flaunt their intelligence and be pithy about it, that's great. However, if they get to be pithy and I have to write them essays so they can then be pithy and tell me I'm wrong without actually addressing what's been said, then I won't indulge their arrogant curiosity. I guess because I know a few philosophers/theologians I like it makes me pretentious and unbearable, and I guess because I'm ironic sometimes it makes me a hipster and therefore unreadable, but whatever. If you wanna be smug about atheism, go for it. However, if you wanna discuss it, discuss it.


This is the wrong thread for most of that, though the right thread for the bit about my being arrogant/pretentious/obnoxious/Kierkegaard.

Also, fuck Sartre.

[GeeBee]

Come Monday, I'll be around more frequently, though with more of a guilty conscience. It'll allow me to actively procrastinate instead of doing my work.

At any rate, I think it's stupid that I get accused of name dropping Kierkegaard and all this stuff. In fairness, the first two God threads featured some insanely long arguments with plenty of posts of substance. While I do wish I had time to rehash every argument I've ever made in previous threads, I don't have that luxury. The reason I get dismissive/just throw names out is because in all honesty, I've had the debate before and fleshed everything out. Furthermore, the people who are all like, "yeah, you're full of shit, fuck theology" seem to think that they can be dismissive of theology but I can't of whatever bullshit quips they dredge up to post and therefore conclusively prove that there are more glib atheists and agnostics than there are/were people of faith. The only people with whom debating anything has been remotely worthwhile are GeeBee, saysmydoctor, perceptrons, and vodyanoj (Dan hasn't been around for the past 2 threads) because I"ve actually learned something from the interchanges. If people want to flaunt their intelligence and be pithy about it, that's great. However, if they get to be pithy and I have to write them essays so they can then be pithy and tell me I'm wrong without actually addressing what's been said, then I won't indulge their arrogant curiosity. I guess because I know a few philosophers/theologians I like it makes me pretentious and unbearable, and I guess because I'm ironic sometimes it makes me a hipster and therefore unreadable, but whatever. If you wanna be smug about atheism, go for it. However, if you wanna discuss it, discuss it.


This is the wrong thread for most of that, though the right thread for the bit about my being arrogant/pretentious/obnoxious/Kierkegaard.

Also, fuck Sartre.

Backed.

But also, fuck theology, and all believers are ignorant sheep.

[GeeBee]

Last part was a joke.

[The Personist]

Backed.

But also, fuck theology, and all believers are ignorant sheep.

All nonbelievers look like this:

http://artobserved.com/artimages/2009/07/philip-guston-web.jpg

[GeeBee]

All nonbelievers look like this:

http://artobserved.com/artimages/2009/07/philip-guston-web.jpg

Looks like a dead Snuffaluffagus.

[The Personist]

Looks like a dead Snuffaluffagus.

Ironic, because Snuffy was an imaginary friend.

[GeeBee]

Ironic, because Snuffy was an imaginary friend.

He's always been real to ME.

Also, I didn't realize Big Bird WASN'T a female until I was in my early twenties. No lie. I grew up thinking he was a mother figure.

[PaulKariya]

I suppose anything that Keynes wrote. I can't really understand why anyone is a Keynesian anymore when everything he wrote has be debunked.

[vodyanoj]

I suppose anything that Keynes wrote. I can't really understand why anyone is a Keynesian anymore when everything he wrote has be debunked.

Huh? We've gone beyond Keynes by now, but, in fact, nothing he wrote has ever been debunked. We know now that his prescriptions are not universal, but work as long as certain conditions obtain. Like now. I am laughing my ass off at all the chicago-school wankers reinventing the Keynesian wheel recently; if only they'd spent some time studying his ideas, they would not be promoting primitive Keynesian concepts today.

[GeeBee]

I suppose anything that Keynes wrote. I can't really understand why anyone is a Keynesian anymore when everything he wrote has be debunked.

Are you fucking serious? I believe Greenspan summed up the entire school of Friedman economics with two words..."a mistake". If any economic theory has been debunked, it's Friedman, not Keynes.

[jawstheme]

Swedenborg > Kierkegaard.

Eat your heart out, David.

Not even close

[macabre]

Are you fucking serious? I believe Greenspan summed up the entire school of Friedman economics with two words..."a mistake". If any economic theory has been debunked, it's Friedman, not Keynes.

I don't think he's a monetarist, he seems to be of the Austrian persuasion.

[GeeBee]

Not even close
It was but a simple ruse to lure David from his posting slumber.:-d
I don't think he's a monetarist, he seems to be of the Austrian persuasion.
I see. In that case, antagonistic remark rescinded, haha.

[asmolitor]

Huh? We've gone beyond Keynes by now, but, in fact, nothing he wrote has ever been debunked. We know now that his prescriptions are not universal, but work as long as certain conditions obtain. Like now. I am laughing my ass off at all the chicago-school wankers reinventing the Keynesian wheel recently; if only they'd spent some time studying his ideas, they would not be promoting primitive Keynesian concepts today.

haha, thank you.

[PaulKariya]

Are you fucking serious? I believe Greenspan summed up the entire school of Friedman economics with two words..."a mistake". If any economic theory has been debunked, it's Friedman, not Keynes.

Friedman has indeed been debunked. So has Keynes. Monetarism and Keynesianism both have it wrong.

Oh, and The General Theory has already been debunked line by line. (http://mises.org/books/failureofneweconomics.pdf)

[macabre]

Friedman has indeed been debunked. So has Keynes. Monetarism and Keynesianism both have it wrong.

Oh, and The General Theory has already been debunked line by line. (http://mises.org/books/failureofneweconomics.pdf)

It's not like Mises hasn't been debunked either. Business Cycle Theory predicts that consumption is supposed to increase during a recession when that's patently false.

[PaulKariya]

It's not like Mises hasn't been debunked either. Business Cycle Theory predicts that consumption is supposed to increase during a recession when that's patently false.

Obviously you have never read Mises. The ABCT doesn't predict consumption will increase during a recession.

[COTA]

STEPHANIE MEYER

Beat that, bitches.

This.

[PaulKariya]

R. L. Stein.

[macabre]

Obviously you have never read Mises. The ABCT doesn't predict consumption will increase during a recession.

Admittedly, I've learned about ABCT through Krugman so I might be mistaken but I remember his main contention with the theory was that since people spend less on investment goods during recessions, according to ABCT, they then have to spend more on consumption goods but that's obviously not the case. I should probably read about ABCT from the Austrians themselves though.

[PaulKariya]

Admittedly, I've learned about ABCT through Krugman so I might be mistaken but I remember his main contention with the theory was that since people spend less on investment goods during recessions, according to ABCT, they then have to spend more on consumption goods but that's obviously not the case. I should probably read about ABCT from the Austrians themselves though.

It's not surprising that Krugman would strawman ABCT.

You might want to read Krugman's Intellectual Waterloo (http://mises.org/story/3530[/url).

I'll give you links to some books I think are worthwhile to read if you're trying to learn about the Austrian school and the ABCT specifically. The Theory of Money and Credit (http://mises.org/books/Theory_Money_Credit/Contents.aspx) by Ludwig von Mises which contains the beginnings of the ABCT or if you have the time I would suggest reading Money, Bank Credit, and Economic Cycles (http://mises.org/books/desoto.pdf) by Jesus De Soto.

Or you could just head over to Ludwig von Mises Institute's website (http://www.mises.org). All the books are free, there are a ton of different articles, or you can go to the forums if you like.

[wuduprod]

She's worshipped by Glenn Beck and his followers. Isn't that enough?

not enough for me.

i'd burn post office by bukowski so all the hipster fucks in cleveland can stop talking about how great it is when it is actually mediocre at best.

[pambeesley]

STEPHANIE MEYER

Beat that, bitches.

couldnt be more right, and thats with her copying off every other vampire book thats been made.

[GeeBee]

couldnt be more right, and thats with her copying off every other vampire book thats been made.

And spawning new vampire trends in TV, movies, and music. I would make her eat her books if I met her. Chew, swallow, digest.

[pambeesley]

And spawning new vampire trends in TV, movies, and music. I would make her eat her books if I met her. Chew, swallow, digest.

BIIIITCH.
halloween this year is going to be horrible,
if anyone over the age of 14 dresses like a vampire im going to make them eat the books too.

[Broclee]

BIIIITCH.
halloween this year is going to be horrible,
if anyone over the age of 14 dresses like a vampire im going to make them eat the books too.
I'm pumped for Halloween this year. I'm gonna be Mermaid Man.

[GeeBee]

I'm pumped for Halloween this year. I'm gonna be MerMan.
Fixed.

[pambeesley]

I'm pumped for Halloween this year. I'm gonna be Mermaid Man.

sweet.
i think im resorting to being "the morning after"
no ones ready to go all out with me this year, boo

[Broclee]

Fixed.

http://hollywoodwalkofinsane.files.wordpre ss.com/2009/05/zoolander_merman.jpg

sweet.
i think im resorting to being "the morning after"
no ones ready to go all out with me this year, boo

That sucks. While I'm being Mermaid Man, three of my friends are being 1966 Batman, Mayor Adam West, and Catman. We're just doing different Adam West characters.

[Bishop]

Really, I am completely against burning any type of books. Smacks too much of Nazism to me.

But secretly I want to burn any books by Britney Spears, Jennifer Lopez, Paris Hilton, pretty much any Hollywood or music celebrity should not have a book published solely because of their "star power".

[saysmydoctor]

It's not surprising that Krugman would strawman ABCT.

You might want to read Krugman's Intellectual Waterloo (http://mises.org/story/3530[/url).

I'll give you links to some books I think are worthwhile to read if you're trying to learn about the Austrian school and the ABCT specifically. The Theory of Money and Credit (http://mises.org/books/Theory_Money_Credit/Contents.aspx) by Ludwig von Mises which contains the beginnings of the ABCT or if you have the time I would suggest reading Money, Bank Credit, and Economic Cycles (http://mises.org/books/desoto.pdf) by Jesus De Soto.

Or you could just head over to Ludwig von Mises Institute's website (http://www.mises.org). All the books are free, there are a ton of different articles, or you can go to the forums if you like.
Intellectual Waterloo? Are you a troll?

[saysmydoctor]

I suppose anything that Keynes wrote. I can't really understand why anyone is a Keynesian anymore when everything he wrote has be debunked.
Nevermind, I found my answer hahahahaha. What a joke.

[pambeesley]

But secretly I want to burn any books by Britney Spears, Jennifer Lopez, Paris Hilton, pretty much any Hollywood or music celebrity should not have a book published solely because of their "star power".

AGREED!
these people get way too much just because they are stars,
they all end up being actors, musicians (if you can call it that), producers, fashion designers, and authors, whats next?

[chassmariee]

Ayn Rand is a bitch,
and The Pigman-Paul Zindel.

[Keaton]

Tucker Max.

He is a stain on the underpants of humanity.
lol. you called tucker max an author. i like to think of him as a douchey-blogging-superbro.
not the same thing.

[geebee889]

Jane Eyre. I hated that book with a burning passion.

[behappy123]

AGREED!
these people get way too much just because they are stars,
they all end up being actors, musicians (if you can call it that), producers, fashion designers, and authors, whats next?

Double agree. What a joke celebs are.

[cuzimlefthanded]

Ayn Rand.

So much this.

We had to read Anthem and The Fountain Head in my British Literature Class. I hated the books and the ideology they preached. Ironically, I ended up winning money for an essay I wrote on Anthem (the teacher made us submit our papers to this contest).

[Matt Chylak]

what's with all the ayn rand hate?

i'd burn any novel with fabio on the cover

[Praetor]

I just finished the Fountainhead and loved it. There were a lot of problems with the writing (and a LOT of problems with her "philosophy") but overall it was a decent book.

[BryterJonah]

Rand and Salinger. Poison.

[foreverSWEET]

Death Watch by Jack Cavanaugh & Jerry Kuiper

I don't read many "Christian" Novels with the moral being about converting/being saved. They just bug me. So I should have looked into the author before I checked out the novel. However, that really wasn't the part of the book that bothered me. Cavanaugh does a really bad job of segueing from the climax into an appropriate ending. There are so many ideas running around your mind of what could be happening, and then he throws the lamest, most anticlimactic resolution out The characters are poorly developed as well.

Would not recommend; as per thread title, it should be burned.

[Matt Chylak]

I just finished the Fountainhead and loved it. There were a lot of problems with the writing (and a LOT of problems with her "philosophy") but overall it was a decent book.

this.
and 'atlas shrugged' was completely preachy, but that doens't mean every tenet of her philosophy was wrong or that the book wasnt' enjoyable plot-wise

[bung]

I just finished the Fountainhead and loved it. There were a lot of problems with the writing (and a LOT of problems with her "philosophy") but overall it was a decent book.

If you ever say anything remotely positive about Ayn Rand ever again you are invariably wrong by virtue of this forum.

[Alaina <3]

I don't really know if she's been mentioned or not, or if I'm being juvenile, but Stephanie Meyers needs to be burned at the stake for creating Twilight and millions of crazy chicks thinking that Edward Cullen exists. I hate her with a burning passion

[Nerdy91]

Billy Budd couldn't get through that book

[bernie16wb]

Fahrenheit 451.

[ilikesound93]

Fahrenheit 451.

I just had someone rec this to me. What didn't you like about it?

[the sky below]

I just had someone rec this to me. What didn't you like about it?


seeing as how the whole plot of fahrenheit 451 is about burning books, i would assume that the guy's post was simply being ironic.

[ilikesound93]

seeing as how the whole plot of fahrenheit 451 is about burning books, i would assume that the guy's post was simply being ironic.

Ah. I just finished another book and haven't picked it up yet. I just knew it was about the future.

[the sky below]

Ah. I just finished another book and haven't picked it up yet. I just knew it was about the future.

no no it's cool, just saying. :stickout:

it's a great, haven't read it in forever. a lot of the ideas in the book are mindblowing, still today. but i'll let you read it.

and last i heard they were supposed to be making a movie out of it, but that's been in the works for years now.

anyways, if you love dystopian fiction, you'll love it.

[DeathOrGlory]

no no it's cool, just saying. :stickout:

it's a great, haven't read it in forever. a lot of the ideas in the book are mindblowing, still today. but i'll let you read it.

and last i heard they were supposed to be making a movie out of it, but that's been in the works for years now.

anyways, if you love dystopian fiction, you'll love it.
Seconded. That book blew my fragile 14 year old mind. Such a powerful piece on censorship. Ray Bradbury is a genius.

[ilikesound93]

no no it's cool, just saying. :stickout:

it's a great, haven't read it in forever. a lot of the ideas in the book are mindblowing, still today. but i'll let you read it.

and last i heard they were supposed to be making a movie out of it, but that's been in the works for years now.

anyways, if you love dystopian fiction, you'll love it.

I'll have to report back to you with what I think, then.

[Alou]

Coulter.

[majinsharingan]

and last i heard they were supposed to be making a movie out of it, but that's been in the works for years now.



Last I heard Tom Hanks had considered or signed on for the film and then withdrew for some reason and they haven't done anything since then...that was two years ago.

[zion the lion]

Edgy as fuck.


Anyways, The Scarlett Letter. I despise that book. Thanks AP English 11!

I read that when I was 11, I thought it was okay. I mean I didnt have to read it for any class (in fact I never read any of my assigned books...ever) and if there was the pressure of reading a certain amount of chapters a day maybe I'd kind of resent it (and in reality I'd hide the book somewhere and forget about it)...but I liked it 7 years ago.

what was wrong with it?

[hcar]

Glenn beck.
Also, the random dude who wrote the bible, since it wasn't god, nor Jesus.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Glenn beck.
Also, the random dude who wrote the bible, since it wasn't god, nor Jesus.

There was more than one 'dude' who wrote the Bible.

[Mibabalou]

Glenn beck.
Also, the random dude who wrote the bible, since it wasn't god, nor Jesus.

wow



just wow

[Scrandon]

Up tha punx!

[tonighttonight0]

The Scarlett Letter

Glenn beck.
Also, the random dude who wrote the bible, since it wasn't god, nor Jesus.
Read it, and then decide ignorant 13 year old.

[Indoor Living]

Glenn beck.
Also, the random dude who wrote the bible, since it wasn't god, nor Jesus.
Please tell me you're kidding.

[Broclee]

I read that when I was 11, I thought it was okay. I mean I didnt have to read it for any class (in fact I never read any of my assigned books...ever) and if there was the pressure of reading a certain amount of chapters a day maybe I'd kind of resent it (and in reality I'd hide the book somewhere and forget about it)...but I liked it 7 years ago.

what was wrong with it?

Hawthorne's style is too dry, and I thought the plot was dumb as shit.

[zion the lion]

Hawthorne's style is too dry, and I thought the plot was dumb as shit.

I liked the plot, maybe thats just because I could kind of relate to it.

[luckyforsome]

I fucking hate A Tale of Two Cities

[Simulcast]

The Communist Manifesto.

[bernie16wb]

seeing as how the whole plot of fahrenheit 451 is about burning books, i would assume that the guy's post was simply being ironic.
This dude gets it.

[stupidbitch]

Britney Spears Biography