Baseball GM's

[asianxcore]

who do you think is the best GM?

[bigmike]

John Scheurholz. Hands down. You don't win 14 division titles the numerous ways he's done it. It's also no coincidence that the royals have sucked after he left them.

[asianxcore]

steinbrenner? he has more championships.

[histrionics22]

John Scheurholz. Hands down. You don't win 14 division titles the numerous ways he's done it. It's also no coincidence that the royals have sucked after he left them.

Its not just him. The guys he gets fit so well within Cox's gameplan and strategy. It seems like he rarely has a bad signing or pick up.

[fromwithin]

John Scheurholz. Hands down. You don't win 14 division titles the numerous ways he's done it. It's also no coincidence that the royals have sucked after he left them.

I agree. Steinbrenner just opens the checkbook and signs players, Scheurholz has an eye for the game.

[bigmike]

steinbrenner? he has more championships.
uhh, you said GM's...

And the yankees haven't ever not been the favorite in the division (or the whole MLB). the braves have been picked to not win the division numerous times yet they do it. First with outstanding pitching, then by slugging their way for a year, and then last year with injuries and rookies they still did it. And them only winning one title in those 14 years does not diminish the longest string of division titles in sports history.

[wessa]

omar minaya...or not

it definately guys who do more with less funds aka billy beane.
At first i would not have thought scheurholz, but the guy has a skill for finding talent. They don't really sign many high priced free agents, most of their team comes up through their system.

[Dirty Ernie]

I agree. Steinbrenner just opens the checkbook and signs players, Scheurholz has an eye for the game.

agreed, walt jocketty is a smart GM as well

[bigmike]

omar minaya...or not

it definately guys who do more with less funds aka billy beane.
At first i would not have thought scheurholz, but the guy has a skill for finding talent. They don't really sign many high priced free agents, most of their team comes up through their system.
exactly. he knows the way bobby cox likes the game to be played and they teach that way down in A ball so the entire farm system knows how it goes down in the bigs. just an overall amazing organization.

[bigmike]

agreed, walt jocketty is a smart GM as well
yes, he's very underrated, as well. but i still think scheurholz is the best.

[wessa]

steinbrenner? he has more championships.

do you know anything about baseball? now i know why people wanted to ban you...
steinbrenner owns the yankees, brian cashman is the gm, and i do not think the guy who has the most money to work with in all of american sports should be considered the best gm. I mean give any baseball fan in american that much money and they could put together a team that at least made the playoffs every year.

[wessa]

exactly. he knows the way bobby cox likes the game to be played and they teach that way down in A ball so the entire farm system knows how it goes down in the bigs. just an overall amazing organization.

ive had this theory that for the last 8 years or so, bobby cox falls asleep around the 4th inning of games and they wake him up when his team is winning with 2 outs in the ninth. He really doesn't need to do much for that team to make the playoffs so it may be true.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

steinbrenner? he has more championships.
haha dude, Cashman is the GM, not Steinbrenner.

Scheurholz
Beane
Epstein
Shapiro

maybe some others

[bigmike]

ive had this theory that for the last 8 years or so, bobby cox falls asleep around the 4th inning of games and they wake him up when his team is winning with 2 outs in the ninth. He really doesn't need to do much for that team to make the playoffs so it may be true.
he had to manage his ass off last year to get the team to the division title. He does that most years. If it's the years when he had outstanding pitching but a mediocre offense he'd have to manage his ass off to find the right offensive combo. he had to manage his ass off to figure out which of those rookies to play and when last year. he's the best manager in baseball, hands down, in my opinion.

[Adeniz19]

Theo Eptein is an awesome GM and so is Brian Sabean. they always seem to make the moves to keep their teams in contention

[mikeford]

dont know his name but the dude for the indians has done a great job rebuilding that franchise.

[LeftWideOpen]

uhhh move this to the MLB thread. Thanks.

[bigmike]

uhhh move this to the MLB thread. Thanks.
Shut up.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

At first i would not have thought scheurholz, but the guy has a skill for finding talent. They don't really sign many high priced free agents, most of their team comes up through their system.

I hate to break it to ya, but thats part of being a GM. The draft is just important as the winter offseason.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

dont know his name but the dude for the indians has done a great job rebuilding that franchise.
Shapiro

[LeftWideOpen]

Shut up.

why? this is just taking up space for all the other threads here that are so important.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Theo Eptein is an awesome GM and so is Brian Sabean. they always seem to make the moves to keep their teams in contention
Sabean should not be mentioned in this thread.

[bigmike]

why? this is just taking up space for all the other threads here that are so important.
i understand your point and everything, but honestly, no reason to be petty and stupid.

[Adeniz19]

Sabean should not be mentioned in this thread.Why not? he usually comes clutch during the trade deadline and picks up someone that helps boost the team over the edge to make the playoffs. i think he does a great job

[LeftWideOpen]

i understand your point and everything, but honestly, no reason to be petty and stupid.

i'm not being stupid. i'm trying to make a point because a thread that more then a few of us were enjoying is being deleted because of it's narrow scope. this also has a narrow scope and therefore should be removed.

i think this is a great idea for a thread and makes for good discussion, but it isnt any more appropriate then a thread about the red sox. it's ridicolous to delete it.

[histrionics22]

why? this is just taking up space for all the other threads here that are so important.

For how important you think the red sox are, there are a lot more people that don't care about them. Stop thinking you and the Yankees are the only teams that matter.

[wessa]

he had to manage his ass off last year to get the team to the division title. He does that most years. If it's the years when he had outstanding pitching but a mediocre offense he'd have to manage his ass off to find the right offensive combo. he had to manage his ass off to figure out which of those rookies to play and when last year. he's the best manager in baseball, hands down, in my opinion.

"manage his ass off"? please. The majority of these years the braves have not even been challenged. Also, out of coaches in all sports, baseball managers have the least affect on the outcome of the game.

[wessa]

why? this is just taking up space for all the other threads here that are so important.

dude, are you five years old? seriously, i think you need a permission slip from your mom before posting on a site like this

[LeftWideOpen]

For how important you think the red sox are, there are a lot more people that don't care about them. Stop thinking you and the Yankees are the only teams that matter.

dude, make a pirates thread if you wanna talk about them ..i'm all for it. this is a forum and there is an audience for a red sox thread, so there isnt any reason to get rid of it. if you want to talk about the pirates, that is no worse then me wanting talk about the red sox. i never said anything about the sox thread being above all others ...i'm saying it's pretty much the same as any other thread.

[LeftWideOpen]

dude, are you five years old? seriously, i think you need a permission slip from your mom before posting on a site like this

no, i'm actually a 20 year old who goes to one of the best universities in the country. i don't care if i upset people with this because i have a legitimate argument.

[mikeford]

For how important you think the red sox are, there are a lot more people that don't care about them. Stop thinking you and the Yankees are the only teams that matter.

but... we are

[histrionics22]

dude, make a pirates thread if you wanna talk about them ..i'm all for it. this is a forum and there is an audience for a red sox thread, so there isnt any reason to get rid of it. if you want to talk about the pirates, that is no worse then me wanting talk about the red sox. i never said anything about the sox thread being above all others ...i'm saying it's pretty much the same as any other thread.

Thats the point. I dont make one because I talk about the Pirates in the MLB and any other thread they are mentioned in. I dont go out of my way to create a Pirates ONLY thread.

[weezer182]

Billy Beane is the best in baseball. With the little money they have in oakland he always seems to make great moves.

[histrionics22]

but... we are

Once again, the Marlins have won more World Series than you have since 1997.

[mikeford]

whoopee. theyre also a disgrace of a franchise because they just firesale all their players after every season they win.

[bigmike]

"manage his ass off"? please. The majority of these years the braves have not even been challenged. Also, out of coaches in all sports, baseball managers have the least affect on the outcome of the game.
i think their decisions affect the game alot.
And alot of other teams would have fallen out of contention when you have chipper jones, a conerstone of the offense get hurt and then have 60% of your starting rotation out at any given time. and they still won the division. it's not like the nl east is the NL Worst, i mean West.

[histrionics22]

whoopee. theyre also a disgrace of a franchise because they just firesale all their players after every season they win.

You refused to pay a GM his worth. Stop acting like you are the model franchise.

[Adeniz19]

Billy Beane is the best in baseball. With the little money they have in oakland he always seems to make great moves.true and same goes to the twins.

[mikeford]

You refused to pay a GM his worth. Stop acting like you are the model franchise.

yeah dude, you clearly know what youre talking about.

[bigmike]

Billy Beane is the best in baseball. With the little money they have in oakland he always seems to make great moves.
call me when he wins the AL west for 14 straight years without a large, large payroll.

[weezer182]

true and same goes to the twins.Its pretty amazing some of the stuff Beane has done. I'd love to see him work for the Giants organization but that wont happen

[histrionics22]

yeah dude, you clearly know what youre talking about.

You're right, I probably dont. I dont care about the Red Sox, much like most other posters around here.

[mikeford]

anyone who truly loves baseball should be able to discuss any of the teams without getting butt hurt about it. sorry the pirates cant win a 2 run game to save their lives dude, but clean the sand out of yer pussy.

[histrionics22]

anyone who truly loves baseball should be able to discuss any of the teams without getting butt hurt about it. sorry the pirates cant win a 2 run game to save their lives dude, but clean the sand out of yer pussy.

Very mature as usual.

[Adeniz19]

call me when he wins the AL west for 14 straight years without a large, large payroll.ATL has a top 10 payroll. it's not like they are working with nothing

[LeftWideOpen]

Very mature as usual.

talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

[weezer182]

ATL has a top 10 payroll. it's not like they are working with nothingi agree plus the second someone starts making a name for themselves and doing well in oakland, they are pretty much off to another team. What Atlanta has done is amazing but it's complete different then the Oakland situation

[histrionics22]

talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Yea. I always resort to name calling and such.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Why not? he usually comes clutch during the trade deadline and picks up someone that helps boost the team over the edge to make the playoffs. i think he does a great job
Sabean was a good gm. He made some good moves in the past, but baseball is passing him by. He has consistently signed guys with low OBP, traded Winn to acquire Finely, has not produced a big bat in the minors, and has signed guys who are old. Vizquel was a nice sign though. Credit him for his old trades and credit him for strong pitching in the minors, but I dont think he is in the same tier as others mentioned in this thread.

[mikeford]

yeah dude, i definitely called you a doo doo head and wasnt just pointing out that yer crying like you skinned your knee.

[LeftWideOpen]

Yea. I always resort to name calling and such.

no, you resort to putting other people down. it's the same thing.

[histrionics22]

no, you resort to putting other people down. it's the same thing.

Sorry. Most fans from Boston need to have their giants heads drained.

[Adeniz19]

i agree plus the second someone starts making a name for themselves and doing well in oakland, they are pretty much off to another team. What Atlanta has done is amazing but it's complete different then the Oakland situationyea, oakland is smart and they lock their prospects early with long term contracts but once that is over they are fucked.

[wessa]

no, i'm actually a 20 year old who goes to one of the best universities in the country. i don't care if i upset people with this because i have a legitimate argument.

oh crap, my bad, since you go to "one of the best universities in the country", you must be right, sorry for going against your almighty opinion.

[LeftWideOpen]

oh crap, my bad, since you go to "one of the best universities in the country", you must be right, sorry for going against your almighty opinion.


uhhh no that isnt what i said. you could try and argue the issue rather then make personal attacks. you said i was a 5 year old who should get a permission slip from his mom so i thought i'd let you know im doing just fine over here.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

call me when he wins the AL west for 14 straight years without a large, large payroll.
Are you kidding? Beane has produced so much talent, traded them away, and produced more talent. I think its easy to say guys like Crosby, Swisher, Harden, Street, etc. will cash in once they're free agents. Give Beane a higher payroll and the A's own the West.

[weezer182]

yea, oakland is smart and they lock their prospects early with long term contracts but once that is over they are fucked.If they had a lot of money and would be willing to spend it, they definitely a scary team to face

[LeftWideOpen]

Very mature as usual.

Sorry. Most fans from Boston need to have their giants heads drained.

:LOL:

[histrionics22]

:LOL:

I said I don't resort to name calling and I didnt. Why dont you try telling your bud mikeford to grow up a little.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Sorry. Most fans from Boston need to have their giants heads drained.
Just stop. You seriously have no idea how much sports means in the NE area. And if you would like to argue about the Red Sox franchise, id be happy too.

[bigmike]

ATL has a top 10 payroll. it's not like they are working with nothing
just recently. but it wasn't like that for the entire division title run. I didn't mean to sound like i was discrediting what beane and oakland has done, it's great. I don't think he's a better gm than schuerholz.

[Adeniz19]

Sabean was a good gm. He made some good moves in the past, but baseball is passing him by. He has consistently signed guys with low OBP, traded Winn to acquire Finely, has not produced a big bat in the minors, and has signed guys who are old. Vizquel was a nice sign though. Credit him for his old trades and credit him for strong pitching in the minors, but I dont think he is in the same tier as others mentioned in this thread.yea they really havent produced too much bats in the minors but i'm hoping Feliz can change that for us. also Winn is still a giant. they traded alfonso for finley which i thought was a good move on them. alfonso never really produced for us

[weezer182]

just recently. but it wasn't like that for the entire division title run. I didn't mean to sound like i was discrediting what beane and oakland has done, it's great. I don't think he's a better gm than schuerholz.Its tough to say. If they switched position would he do as well in Oakland? maybe or maybe not who knows? In my opinion I think Beane is the best GM out there

[wessa]

uhhh no that isnt what i said. you could try and argue the issue rather then make personal attacks. you said i was a 5 year old who should get a permission slip from his mom so i thought i'd let you know im doing just fine over here.

that's what you suggested. i said that because you were acting like a baby. you came into a new thread to complain about your precious red sox thread. That was completely childish. So I called you on it. There is no need for argument cause that is exactly what happened. And the same thing with histrionics, you tell him to 'get the sand out of his pussy', he calls you out on lack of maturity and then you question him on that. You are wrong, so stop acting like a little bitch.

And by the way, don't pull out the university shit. A good number of people here go to college as well. I graduated last year with a 3.8 gpa, while playing on a varsity sport and being in like 5-6 clubs during all 4 years. But im not sweating it either...

[NetNerdsRevenge]

yea they really havent produced too much bats in the minors but i'm hoping Feliz can change that for us. also Winn is still a giant. they traded alfonso for finley which i thought was a good move on them. alfonso never really produced for us
oh...well I still disagree with the Finely trade. He is 40 and well...sucks. Winn should be starting.

[weezer182]

yea they really havent produced too much bats in the minors but i'm hoping Feliz can change that for us. also Winn is still a giant. they traded alfonso for finley which i thought was a good move on them. alfonso never really produced for usHe has pulled off some good moves for the Giants such as the Jason Schmidt deal ect... He isn't the greatest gm out there nor is he bad.

[weezer182]

oh...well I still disagree with the Finely trade. He is 40 and well...sucks. Winn should be starting.Winn does start

[bigmike]

Its tough to say. If they switched position would he do as well in Oakland? maybe or maybe not who knows? In my opinion I think Beane is the best GM out there
he won a world series in KC. and the Royals weren't exactly big spenders, i don't believe. i could be wrong, though.

[kshtoinks12]

haah you know wat would be funny?
isiah thomas as a baseball gm

[Adeniz19]

oh...well I still disagree with the Finely trade. He is 40 and well...sucks. Winn should be starting.winn is starting. finely is kind of like the utility outfielder.

[wessa]

Just stop. You seriously have no idea how much sports means in the NE area. And if you would like to argue about the Red Sox franchise, id be happy too.

yes, and they also mean a lot to people in the new york area, and the los angeles area, and the chicago area, and pretty much every area in the united states.

[weezer182]

winn is starting. finely is kind of like the utility outfielder.Yea i dont see how the finely deal was bad. Its not like they gave up much for him in Alfonso.

[histrionics22]

Sorry. Most fans from Boston need to have their giants heads drained.

no, i'm actually a 20 year old who goes to one of the best universities in the country. i don't care if i upset people with this because i have a legitimate argument.

talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

This just made me laugh.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

just recently. but it wasn't like that for the entire division title run. I didn't mean to sound like i was discrediting what beane and oakland has done, it's great. I don't think he's a better gm than schuerholz.
Not to mentioned last year he had what, 9 rookies playing in the majors? And, he picked up an extra draft pick for Furcal, and got Renteria who fits their line-up.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

winn is starting. finely is kind of like the utility outfielder.
then i got notihng on that trade. good move sabean....

[Adeniz19]

Yea i dont see how the finely deal was bad. Its not like they gave up much for him in Alfonso.yea and they really needed a player like that to give bonds and alou some much needed days off.

[mattregan]

I don't know the best, but I know Omar is the worst...

[NetNerdsRevenge]

yes, and they also mean a lot to people in the new york area, and the los angeles area, and the chicago area, and pretty much every area in the united states.
you mean LA where they arrive late and leave early at dodger games? I know the Bay Area and LA are not as passionate as Boston. I know because I live on the West Coast, and visit Boston every summer.

[bigmike]

Not to mentioned last year he had what, 9 rookies playing in the majors? And, he picked up an extra draft pick for Furcal, and got Renteria who fits their line-up.
yeah. the whole thing with having a top 10 payroll kind of isn't fair. he doesn't go out and spend big money on just buying players like the yankees or red sox. he's smart with their money and has alot tied up in andruw and chipper jones. he just keeps making great, great moves.

[mikeford]

Just stop. You seriously have no idea how much sports means in the NE area. And if you would like to argue about the Red Sox franchise, id be happy too.
yes, and they also mean a lot to people in the new york area, and the los angeles area, and the chicago area, and pretty much every area in the united states.
until 3 million people show up to victory parades in those areas, your argument isnt as valid.

[wessa]

you mean LA where they arrive late and leave early at dodger games? I know the Bay Area and LA are not as passionate as Boston. I know because I live on the West Coast, and visit Boston every summer.

ok, LA might have been a bad choice, my point was though that people are passionate about sports all over the place, and you can't really put one place over another.

its also hard to compare fans of a team that is competitive every year to a team that has not done well in a while.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

hey now, the sox cut payroll this year. and as of now, they have no dollars committed to 2009.

ortiz will change that.

EDIT: quoting mike

[histrionics22]

you mean LA where they arrive late and leave early at dodger games? I know the Bay Area and LA are not as passionate as Boston. I know because I live on the West Coast, and visit Boston every summer.

It still doesnt mean each team doesnt have die hard fans. On the whole you are right. But dont discredit fans who sit through the last games of losing seasons just to see prospects or any glimmer of hope for a team the next year.

[mikeford]

yeah. the whole thing with having a top 10 payroll kind of isn't fair. he doesn't go out and spend big money on just buying players like the yankees or red sox. he's smart with their money and has alot tied up in andruw and chipper jones. he just keeps making great, great moves.

the red sox dont BUY players either. the last high profile free agent we pulled in was Manny Ramirez. everyone else we added was TRADED for.

[bigmike]

the red sox dont BUY players either. the last high profile free agent we pulled in was Manny Ramirez. everyone else we added was TRADED for.
yes, valid point.

[mikeford]

err, i forgot about keith foulke. he was a FA too. but hes not getting paid THAT much.

[histrionics22]

the red sox dont BUY players either. the last high profile free agent we pulled in was Manny Ramirez. everyone else we added was TRADED for.

You can argue that. But you also trade for players on last years of their deals while having funds to sign them long term. Schilling was practically a free-agent acquisition.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

It still doesnt mean each team doesnt have die hard fans. On the whole you are right. But dont discredit fans who sit through the last games of losing seasons just to see prospects or any glimmer of hope for a team the next year.
I didnt. I give all kinds of credit to Chicago Cub fans. I root for Chicago to win every year because those fans deserve a win just as much as Sox fans did.

[mikeford]

boo. fuck the cubs. wannabe red sox fans.

[bigmike]

I didnt. I give all kinds of credit to Chicago Cub fans. I root for Chicago to win every year because those fans deserve a win just as much as Sox fans did.
the cubs can't win. I really want to see them go a full century between world series titles. so they need to hold off on not sucking for a couple more years.

[mikeford]

3 more years including this one...

[histrionics22]

I didnt. I give all kinds of credit to Chicago Cub fans. I root for Chicago to win every year because those fans deserve a win just as much as Sox fans did.

I get it, but you act like Red Sox fans are more passionate than any other fans when in reality, there are just more passionate Red Sox fans. Hahaha. I cant believe I typed that. See if you can make sense of that.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

You can argue that. But you also trade for players on last years of their deals while having funds to sign them long term. Schilling was practically a free-agent acquisition.
the new FO has said their goal is to strengthen the farm, cut payroll, and all the while being competitive enough to make the playoffs 8 out of 10 years. Cutting payroll is going to be difficult while they try to stay competitive.

[Caleb Cattivera]

ok this thread is not about gm's its you kiddies bitching back and forth. somethigns gotta be done about the threads, and ill let you know in detail what that is tonight.

[bigmike]

ok this thread is not about gm's its you kiddies bitching back and forth. somethigns gotta be done about the threads, and ill let you know in detail what that is tonight.
haha, are you serious?

[NetNerdsRevenge]

ok this thread is not about gm's its you kiddies bitching back and forth. somethigns gotta be done about the threads, and ill let you know in detail what that is tonight.
The unrest over the team threads has done something to the people here. I say let this thread go, we can work out our shit.

[bigmike]

ok this thread is not about gm's its you kiddies bitching back and forth. somethigns gotta be done about the threads, and ill let you know in detail what that is tonight.
if you're really being serious then that's simply retarded, caleb. a couple kids are talking about the whole specific team threads. the rest of us in here were actually talking about the best GM. did you even read through this?

[Adeniz19]

ok this thread is not about gm's its you kiddies bitching back and forth. somethigns gotta be done about the threads, and ill let you know in detail what that is tonight.yes it is. what is wrong with this thread anyways? we were all having an actual discusion with no real name calling at all.

[mikeford]

the new FO has said their goal is to strengthen the farm, cut payroll, and all the while being competitive enough to make the playoffs 8 out of 10 years. Cutting payroll is going to be difficult while they try to stay competitive.


8 of 10 years?

people in this town will riot if we miss the playoffs at this point. people got spoiled.

[asianxcore]

my bad, haha i just thought of him as gm at the time because hes the guy who brings them in. i think sabean is a awesome gm, he never really brings in high profile players but the giants are always respectable.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

8 of 10 years?

people in this town will riot if we miss the playoffs at this point. people got spoiled.
8 out of 10 is good in my opinion. A re-tooling year, and then back at it.