Albert Pujols is the best player in the MLB appreesh thread.

[mikeford]

Disagree? suck it. he's already got 3 HRs and 7 RBIs.

[fromwithin]

he's on roids.

wait til he tears his acl or bicep.

but seriously he's on fire.

[ActorInThisPlay]

if Bonds threads aren't allowed to be made, then this thread should be deleted as well...

[SLADE775]

Wow.....Mr. Ford is no me.

Who the fuck comparred this sack of shit to me anyway?

[somethingyellow]

Wow.....Mr. Ford is no me.

Who the fuck comparred this sack of shit to me anyway?yea, horrible comparison

[weezer182]

pointless thread

[SLADE775]

yea, horrible comparison

How are you doing man.

[somethingyellow]

How are you doing man.hangin in there waiting for the weekend, what about you dave?

[hockey0001]

Pujols is nasty. He'll run away the NL mvp. No one else will even be in the debate.

[weezer182]

No one else will even be in the debate. :rotfl:

[hockey0001]

:rotfl:

barring an injury to Pujols, who will it be?

[weezer182]

barring an injury to Pujols, who will it be?I don't but i would say Barry is a favorite

[tambo41187]

True.

This whole Barry Bonds is the best player in Baseball is a load of shit.

[Broken Parachute]

barring an injury to Pujols, who will it be?

I'd say Andruw Jones. 51 HR's last year was pretty convincing.

[ActorInThisPlay]

I'd say Andruw Jones. 51 HR's last year was pretty convincing.
roids...

[ActorInThisPlay]

True.

This whole Barry Bonds is the best player in Baseball is a load of shit.
hahahahahahahahaha you are one funny guy...if Bonds stays healthy, he is definitely going to be the favorite to win MVP.

[LeftWideOpen]

roids...

he said jones, not bonds. people have hit 51 HR's before ..its 61+ that was unattainable for decades.

[hockey0001]

I don't but i would say Barry is a favorite

Im not so sure about that. He was injured all last season and who knows if he'll stay healthy all year. And before you say that i mentioned Pujols not getting injured, Pujols has never had a major injury (at least i dont think he has anyway) and Bonds' leg could easily start acting up on him. If Bonds can stay healthy all year then i agree he would be in the running, but I dont see him staying healthy.

[weezer182]

True.

This whole Barry Bonds is the best player in Baseball is a load of shit.Do you watch him play ever? Before he got injured he was the best and if he plays that same way, he will continue to be the best player in baseball

[LeftWideOpen]

Adam Dunn could be a candidate if he could hit 275. or better and the Reds were actually good. He's hitting 571 so far, but its early of course.

[hockey0001]

I'd say Andruw Jones. 51 HR's last year was pretty convincing.

Shit, I completely forgot about Jones. If the Braves make the playoffs he'll be a big reason why ann would get decent considerations.


I retract my previous statement. But I still think Pujols is gonna win it.

[hockey0001]

Here's my longshot for MVP, JD Drew. If he stays healthy all year he could put up huge numbers.

[ActorInThisPlay]

he said jones, not bonds. people have hit 51 HR's before ..its 61+ that was unattainable for decades.
yeah but he had not even hit 40 HR's before. i don't think he is on roids but the same thing happened with Bonds, he had 1 season that was abnormal for him.

[LeftWideOpen]

Here's my longshot for MVP, JD Drew. If he stays healthy all year he could put up huge numbers.

i dunno, it's dodger stadium. i'd say he isnt even the MVP of his team ...Furcal or Kent are.

[LeftWideOpen]

yeah but he had not even hit 40 HR's before. i don't think he is on roids but the same thing happened with Bonds, he had 1 season that was abnormal for him.

abnormal doesnt even come close to describing 73 HR's though. You think Brian Roberts was on roids last year too? The dude is a midget.

[ActorInThisPlay]

abnormal doesnt even come close to describing 73 HR's though. You think Brian Roberts was on roids last year too? The dude is a midget.
so if Pujols hit 73 HR's this year, you would say he is on roids???

[LeftWideOpen]

so if Pujols hit 73 HR's this year, you would say he is on roids???

i'd be suspicious as hell, yes.

[hockey0001]

i dunno, it's dodger stadium. i'd say he isnt even the MVP of his team ...Furcal or Kent are.

Yea, i consider him playing home games in Dodger stadium. Thats why I said he's my longshot, im not expecting it to happen by any means, but i wouldnt be competely surprised if it did. But he'll probably be injured by the end of the month so it doesnt matter.

[LeftWideOpen]

Yea, i consider him playing home games in Dodger stadium. Thats why I said he's my longshot, im not expecting it to happen by any means, but i wouldnt be competely surprised if it did. But he'll probably be injured by the end of the month so it doesnt matter.

i think he could win Comeback Player of the Year, if his tough season last year was enough of a disaster to be considered.

[ActorInThisPlay]

i'd be suspicious as hell, yes.
ok good, well at least you are consistant. can't knock that.

[histrionics22]

yeah but he had not even hit 40 HR's before. i don't think he is on roids but the same thing happened with Bonds, he had 1 season that was abnormal for him.

Jones had a major swing adjustment last year. He's a lot better hitter now.

[ActorInThisPlay]

Jones had a major swing adjustment last year. He's a lot better hitter now.
Bonds adjusted as well...he is a lot better hitter now.

[itsjdiggity]

Here's my longshot for MVP, JD Drew. If he stays healthy all year he could put up huge numbers.

speak it brotha

[LeftWideOpen]

ok good, well at least you are consistant. can't knock that.

yeah, i mean 5 years ago i wouldnt have thought any of this was steroids and i probably woulda attributed it to juiced balls and smaller parks, but now that everyone who has passed 61 has been linked to roids ...i don't think its really that possible. It's definitely not something that should be broken or close to being broken year after year. Athletes arent THAT much better then they were back then.

[ActorInThisPlay]

yeah, i mean 5 years ago i wouldnt have thought any of this was steroids and i probably woulda attributed it to juiced balls and smaller parks, but now that everyone who has passed 61 has been linked to roids ...i don't think its really that possible. It's definitely not something that should be broken or close to being broken year after year. Athletes arent THAT much better then they were back then.
yeah but the thing is that it was only 2 seasons, not every single year. Roids have been around and prevalent in baseball for a while now. i think any record that is out there is attainable under the right circumstances. I'm sure one day someone will break 73 HR's, that doesn't mean they are on roids or anything else for that matter. players can have very good seasons and that goes for any sport.

[mikeford]

this thread was designed to be about Pujols the Great, not Bonds.

[ActorInThisPlay]

this thread was designed to be about Pujols the Great, not Bonds.
that's cause Bonds is the best.

[mikeford]

bonds cant play defense.

pujols can.

this says PLAYER, not hitter.

you cant argue player anymore. its pujols.

[Adeniz19]

pujols is on roids too

[mikeford]

yeah no hes not.

he hit 37 HRs in his rookie season. none of his HR numbers are abberations or out of whack. he's simply a god among mortals.

the fact that you would throw out an evidence-less stupid claim like that reeks of jealously and ignorance.

[wessa]

pujols is amazing, second best hitter in the league (im sorry, i gotta put ichiro first, i dont think he gets enough credit because he doesnt hit for power)
as for mvp race, i think pujols is the far away favorite. i cant really think of too many other guys who would challenge, but here are a few...
derek lee: if he continues what he did last year, and the cubs challenge for the playoffs, he has a good chance
andruw jones: maybe if his homers stay around the same level they were last year, but it does hurt him that his average was low last year.
david wright: hometown pick, haha, mets fans chanted mvp after the first game, but they guy hit like .305 with 27 homers and 100 rbi's last year, during his first full season in the majors, plus he makes some ridiculous defensive plays at third base.
there are a couple others, but the early picks are pretty much always the runners up from last year.

[fromwithin]

I say it becomes a tight race between pujols and jones this year. fuck bonds, if he doesnt get caught with steroids he'll have to have 8 more operations on his broken knees from all the juice.

I remember around the time all these home runs were being hit they said the ball was juiced, that it was made to be hit further. That's why you saw little shrimpy guys hitting 20+HR's.

[Caleb Cattivera]

derek lee had a fluke season, he'll hit 20 hr's with 70 rbi this season.

[Adeniz19]

pujols was on roids before he started the majors.

[the_champ_is_here]

A-Rod>Pujols

Even though he's in the AL

[Caleb Cattivera]

if the san fran fans are serious about pujols on steroids, i dont see how they can say barry's not haha.

[jaimej]

Anyone who disagrees is retarded. Pujols is sick.

[Adeniz19]

if the san fran fans are serious about pujols on steroids, i dont see how they can say barry's not haha.take a picture of pujols now and from 10 years ago... it's so obvious.

:rotfl:

[Caleb Cattivera]

take a picture of pujols now and from 10 years ago... it's so obvious.

:rotfl:

riiiight.

[mikeford]

u guyz r so funnyyy

LOL @ yer jokez


:sleeping:

[Adeniz19]

u guyz r so funnyyy

LOL @ yer jokez


:sleeping:lighten up buddy. you're always so serious haha

[asianxcore]

i hope pujols dies

[bigmike]

Here's my longshot for MVP, JD Drew. If he stays healthy all year he could put up huge numbers.
JD Drew maxed out his numbers when he was with the braves. so if he had that season again, it'd have to be a weak year for MVP Candidates. he won't win one.

[Vincewithouthee]

Yeah, I totally agree with Mikeford on this one. He is the best PLAYER in the league.

[looksthatkillbn]

Adam Dunn could be a candidate if he could hit 275. or better and the Reds were actually good. He's hitting 571 so far, but its early of course.

you're officially my hero.

Adam Dunn hit a 479 foot homerun tonight, and also hit the game winning single in the eighth inning. He's tearing it up thus far.

EDIT: I almost forgot. Albert Pujols is the shit, and will, barring injuries, be one of the best players in the history of baseball in fifteen years. Without question.

[bigmike]

you're officially my hero.

Adam Dunn hit a 479 foot homerun tonight, and also hit the game winning single in the eighth inning. He's tearing it up thus far.

EDIT: I almost forgot. Albert Pujols is the shit, and will, barring injuries, be one of the best players in the history of baseball in fifteen years. Without question.
haha. i saw the 479 and thought "wow, he struck out a lot of times last year. Oh, that's how far the homerun tonight went."

[looksthatkillbn]

haha. i saw the 479 and thought "wow, he struck out a lot of times last year. Oh, that's how far the homerun tonight went."

haha, the sad part is i didn't immediately think that was an absurd number...

[Split2nd]

bonds cant play defense.

pujols can.

this says PLAYER, not hitter.

you cant argue player anymore. its pujols.

Bonds was a fantastic defender when he was young. Let's see Pujols play defense when he's over 40.

[Split2nd]

JD Drew maxed out his numbers when he was with the braves. so if he had that season again, it'd have to be a weak year for MVP Candidates. he won't win one.

That's a pretty damn high max out. An 1.006 OPS is sick any way you look at it. But, he won't have the counting stats, and the Dodgers just aren't very good, so he won't even get consideration if he puts that up.

[bigmike]

Bonds was a fantastic defender when he was young. Let's see Pujols play defense when he's over 40.
bonds is mediocre defender right now.

[bigmike]

That's a pretty damn high max out. An 1.006 OPS is sick any way you look at it. But, he won't have the counting stats, and the Dodgers just aren't very good, so he won't even get consideration if he puts that up.
yeah, he had good numbers. i'm glad that the braves got him for that one season and he actually stayed healthy.

[mikeford]

Bonds was a fantastic defender when he was young. Let's see Pujols play defense when he's over 40.

wow, him being a good defender when he was young has NOTHING to do with this discussion.

hes horrible at fielding NOW

Pujols is the best player in the MLB right NOW

[Split2nd]

Well, Bonds is probably just as good of a defender as Pujols was in LF. Put Bonds at 1B and I'm sure he'd be pretty good.

It doesn't matter, the difference between the two in defense doesn't make up for 300-400 POINTS! in OPS. Unless Bonds is literally rolling around in a wheelchair in LF, the difference in their defense will never make up for that.

[bigmike]

Well, Bonds is probably just as good of a defender as Pujols was in LF. Put Bonds at 1B and I'm sure he'd be pretty good.

It doesn't matter, the difference between the two in defense doesn't make up for 300-400 POINTS! in OPS. Unless Bonds is literally rolling around in a wheelchair in LF, the difference in their defense will never make up for that.
which is inflated due to intentional walks. but pujols isn't bonds yet, that i'll agree with.

[Split2nd]

I'm still pissed off that they didn't offer him arby. What a fucking horrible move. They should've had either a first rounder, or another year of JD instead of the craptacular suckitude known as Raul Mondesi and/or Brian Jordan. Jeff Francoeur would also still be in the minors, where I believe he should be right now.

[histrionics22]

which is inflated due to intentional walks

Yea. Pujols has people hitting behind him.

[Split2nd]

which is inflated due to intentional walks. but pujols isn't bonds yet, that i'll agree with.

Well, there's a reason he's intentionally walked. He still slugged .800; that's because he had a low number of ABs you might say, but that just means that what he does is so incredible... to put up those kinds of numbers in such low ABs.

[weezer182]

Yea. Pujols has people hitting behind him.Alou is pretty damn good. Barry would lead the league in walks on any team he played for

[bigmike]

I'm still pissed off that they didn't offer him arby. What a fucking horrible move. They should've had either a first rounder, or another year of JD instead of the craptacular suckitude known as Raul Mondesi and/or Brian Jordan. Jeff Francoeur would also still be in the minors, where I believe he should be right now.
Yeah, Francoeur is still too agressive. but not in a vlad guerreo type way.


Well, there's a reason he's intentionally walked. He still slugged .800; that's because he had a low number of ABs you might say, but that just means that what he does is so incredible... to put up those kinds of numbers in such low ABs.
yeah, i'm not saying he doesn't. they are incredible.

[bigmike]

Alou is pretty damn good. Barry would lead the league in walks on any team he played for
nope. not on the yankees. he'd have not even half as many walks if he was in the yankees lineup.

[Split2nd]

nope. not on the yankees. he'd have not even half as many walks if he was in the yankees lineup.
Yes he would. The man has incredible plate discipline, he would still lead the league in walks. He was walked 120 times in '04. He had 232 total walks. That would leave him with 112 BBs, with 120 whole friggin extra ABs to draw walks if he were not walked intentionally. There's no question he'd lead the league in walks. By the way, Abreu, Helton, and Berkman were tied for second most with 127 BBs. You're telling me he wouldn't draw 15 more walks with 120 extra BBs?

[looksthatkillbn]

Yes he would. The man has incredible plate discipline, he would still lead the league in walks. He was walked 120 times in '04. He had 232 total walks. That would leave him with 112 BBs, with 120 whole friggin extra ABs to draw walks if he were not walked intentionally. There's no question he'd lead the league in walks. By the way, Abreu, Helton, and Berkman were tied for second most with 127 BBs. You're telling me he wouldn't draw 15 more walks with 120 extra BBs?

i'm not arguing either way on this one, but let's be aware that those numbers are skewed because being "pitched around" is not an intentional walk. i would be willing to bet that half of those walks weren't intentional, but weren't because barry has a good eye either.

[wessa]

Yea. Pujols has people hitting behind him.


Edmonds bats behind pujols, he hit .263 last year. they also had no scott rolen last year. larry walker hit in front of him. he hit .289 last year. please explain to me these great hitters pujols has hitting around him.
bonds has a similar lineup, although alou did hit .320 last year.

[histrionics22]

Edmonds bats behind pujols, he hit .263 last year. they also had no scott rolen last year. larry walker hit in front of him. he hit .289 last year. please explain to me these great hitters pujols has hitting around him.
bonds has a similar lineup, although alou did hit .320 last year.

Its a defense as to why Pujols doesnt get more walks. He hits bad pitches and has better players around him.

[JIMMYateEARTH]

I don't see how any one can defend Bonds he doesn't deserve anything he has gotten besides injury. DO you know why his body can't heal LACK OF STEROIDS, he disgusts me.

Pujols is a great player and does not use performace inhancers. he is fanominal at the bat and I have seen him make some out standing defensive plays.

bonds was good before he used steroids now I belive he should be banned from baseball. BEcause HELL if Pete Rose one of the greatest hitters of all time and Shoeless Joes Jackson can be banned for bogus betting charges then there is absolutely no reason Bonds shouls not be.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

i gotta put ichiro first, i dont think he gets enough credit because he doesnt hit for power
Power means a lot in baseball. Singles can be about luck, a hop this way or a fielder out of position. A double in the gap is just that.

pujols was on roids before he started the majors.
Pujols is a pure hitter, get over it.


Adam Dunn
Is sick. His ISOP is absolutely amazing. He would be a great #5 hitter behind Manny

It doesn't matter, the difference between the two in defense doesn't make up for 300-400 POINTS! in OPS. Unless Bonds is literally rolling around in a wheelchair in LF, the difference in their defense will never make up for that.
Actually, if you venture into the Red Sox thread and read the article I posted, it seems defense has weight. For instance, Manny Ramirez is being knocked in the article for his poor defense. The basic gist of the article is that while Manny is a great hitter, but his defense hurts him and really puts him at +2 runs for the whole season. I would imagine Bonds is a worse fielder than Manny, but his superior offensive numbers put him around the +2 mark. It would interesting to see if I could figure out how the guy calculated the whole thing, but its hard.

if you believe in that shit....I tend to think offense out weighs defense more than this guy is saying, but he works for the cardinals, and well, I dont.

BP's projections for Pujols in 06....338/.433/.625....Zips has it at .337/.434/.652....above and beyond the best right handed hitter in baseball, and probably best player. Keep in mind, he's "26" this year. He hasnt reached his peak.

[xearlynovemberx]

yes he is

[Split2nd]

There's no way in hell Bonds is worse than Manny in LF. Must I remind you of the "double cutoff?" LOL

And to whomever said Pujols doesn't walk because he hits bad pitches and he has better players around him, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life. Seriously, I'm wondering if you're serious or not. Better players around you doesn't make you walk less. There's no evidence to show that protection is true, and unless Pujols has someone like ARod, Ortiz, Manny, etc. behind him, it's HIGHLY unlikely that that's the reason he walks less. Edmonds was good last year despite his bad average, Rolen is overrated but did not play last year, and the rest of the Cards lineup last year sucked dick. If your argument has any merit, Pujols should have walked 120 times last year because their lineup was so bad.

[mikeford]

manny led the MLB in outfield assists last year.

suck it.