bagadad falls, people rejoice

[im_not_emo]

mwwwwwwwahahahahaha
bush's evil plan has worked!
mwwahahahaha

[Slick Shoes]

Bush is an evil Fucktard.

[Alex Djaferis]

oh yeah, and all those ppl in the streets that were happy, were Kurds, go figure.

[Slick Shoes]

whats a kurd?

your a kurd?

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by PeeDster
oh yeah, and all those ppl in the streets that were happy, were Kurds, go figure.

Actually they weren't, you got to get your facts straight before you try and bash a great moment in history. There are VERY few kurds in baghdad.

[punkmovieguys]

there are turds in the streets of iraq?

[evil zach]

The images seen on TV are only a small prtion of whatits like on bagdad. There is also alot of looting, rioting, and general chaos. What the bush administartion has failed to realize is that for years, the Iraqi government has looked after everything. To just waltz in and say "now your free" is kinda likeing taking a small child, dropping them off ina big city and saying "ok, go fend for yourself now." I would like to see Iraq become a democratic society, but I'm not convinced that the bush administration has figured out how to go about it with out there being a huge civil war in iraq as soon as american forces leave.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
Actually they weren't, you got to get your facts straight before you try and bash a great moment in history. There are VERY few kurds in baghdad.

yeah, you are right, they weren't kurds. and even if they were, what would that mean? the kurds aren't allowed to rejoice over the ending of saddam's regime? they suffered as much as anyone else.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by evil zach
The images seen on TV are only a small prtion of whatits like on bagdad. There is also alot of looting, rioting, and general chaos. What the bush administartion has failed to realize is that for years, the Iraqi government has looked after everything. To just waltz in and say "now your free" is kinda likeing taking a small child, dropping them off ina big city and saying "ok, go fend for yourself now." I would like to see Iraq become a democratic society, but I'm not convinced that the bush administration has figured out how to go about it with out there being a huge civil war in iraq as soon as american forces leave.

Saddum didn't look after EVERYTHING, most iraqi's starved, lived in filth, had no medical attention, and lived in fear of the police. So he didn't really look after them unless they were police or military members. And most of the looting is being done in the palaces, gov. building, UN offices (can you blame them on this one the UN didn't give a FUCK about them), or gov. owned warehouses.

[amishman]

Originally posted by evil zach
The images seen on TV are only a small prtion of whatits like on bagdad. There is also alot of looting, rioting, and general chaos. What the bush administartion has failed to realize is that for years, the Iraqi government has looked after everything. To just waltz in and say "now your free" is kinda likeing taking a small child, dropping them off ina big city and saying "ok, go fend for yourself now." I would like to see Iraq become a democratic society, but I'm not convinced that the bush administration has figured out how to go about it with out there being a huge civil war in iraq as soon as american forces leave.

I find that ironic coming from an anarchist.

[evil zach]

it is, but I have never said that immidieate anarchy would be a good thing.

[amishman]

Originally posted by evil zach
it is, but I have never said that immidieate anarchy would be a good thing.

OK...just wondering. When do you think that anarchy would be a good thing?

[evil zach]

After succesfull socalisms and communisms. I don't know when that will be achieved though.

[Alex Djaferis]

oh u guys are so fucking mean as soon as someone hears somthing that may not have been the real truth. oh so im am so so so so sorry for making the mistake saying they were kurds! The report i had seen and read said that. if they wernt. thats cool. im glad the ppl were happy.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by evil zach
After succesfull socalisms and communisms. I don't know when that will be achieved though.

How long are you willing to wait? There has yet to be succesfull socialism or communism, what makes you think that there will be someday? or that people would even want it?

[tinybears]

over here in Belgium all we see is the looting of the baghdad people.
the same people have to stop the looting , and what do the american and british soldiers do ???????, nothing they're just standing there to watch

what was the purpose of the war? disarming irak, I haven't seen any massdestruction weapons yet, you have ?
It's all fake that war, oil, money ,media
the thing you hear over here is that the american people are being brainwashed by the television and that they only show you what bush wants to.
american souldiers take videotapes and evidence material that can work against america away from the european cameramen is that democratic, thats fucking hitler 2

i deffinitly agree with the fact that sadam is wrong, but war is even more wrong,
there are now already more civilian victims than in golf war 1
if america had finished it then there would be no problems any more, but no they just went away, sadam killed everyone who worked together with america, and now they have to make that good !!! and also again the money oooooo yeah sweet money
a couple of days ago there was a massacre in congo, does bush does something about that ??? no there no fucking money,
man this war really upsets me

[NOFXdesendents5]

Originally posted by punkmovieguys
there are turds in the streets of iraq?


hahaha! your sooOOo funny! you joined in april!

[yeat182]

Originally posted by tinybears
over here in Belgium all we see is the looting of the baghdad people.
the same people have to stop the looting , and what do the american and british soldiers do ???????, nothing they're just standing there to watch

what was the purpose of the war? disarming irak, I haven't seen any massdestruction weapons yet, you have ?
It's all fake that war, oil, money ,media
the thing you hear over here is that the american people are being brainwashed by the television and that they only show you what bush wants to.
american souldiers take videotapes and evidence material that can work against america away from the european cameramen is that democratic, thats fucking hitler 2

i deffinitly agree with the fact that sadam is wrong, but war is even more wrong,
there are now already more civilian victims than in golf war 1
if america had finished it then there would be no problems any more, but no they just went away, sadam killed everyone who worked together with america, and now they have to make that good !!! and also again the money oooooo yeah sweet money
a couple of days ago there was a massacre in congo, does bush does something about that ??? no there no fucking money,
man this war really upsets me


first of all, american tv doesn't show us what bush wants us to see, they show what will get them ratings.

secondly, it sounds to me that you are being brainwashed if your media is so obviously biased.

thirdly, Saddam is "fucking hitler 2", not the US soldiers.

fourthly, america was asked to free Kuwait in gulf war 1. they did that. they were not asked to remove saddam. The UN said that they would require him to destroy all his WMD's and such. If the UN did their job sometime within the last 12 years and 17 resolutions, there would be no war today.

Fifthly, the french step in when the Ivory Coast was in turmoil, yet not when Iraq is. why? the Ivory Coast was a former French colony, and they have alot of money invested in that region. the funny thing is, they have a lot of money invested in Iraq illegally, and going in there would have exposed that. typical of the french, hypocrits.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by tinybears
over here in Belgium all we see is the looting of the baghdad people.
the same people have to stop the looting , and what do the american and british soldiers do ???????, nothing they're just standing there to watch

what was the purpose of the war? disarming irak, I haven't seen any massdestruction weapons yet, you have ?
It's all fake that war, oil, money ,media
the thing you hear over here is that the american people are being brainwashed by the television and that they only show you what bush wants to.
american souldiers take videotapes and evidence material that can work against america away from the european cameramen is that democratic, thats fucking hitler 2

i deffinitly agree with the fact that sadam is wrong, but war is even more wrong,
there are now already more civilian victims than in golf war 1
if america had finished it then there would be no problems any more, but no they just went away, sadam killed everyone who worked together with america, and now they have to make that good !!! and also again the money oooooo yeah sweet money
a couple of days ago there was a massacre in congo, does bush does something about that ??? no there no fucking money,
man this war really upsets me


Does your meda even show or tell you what is being looted? Almost all of it is government building and former army/gov. officials homes and offices.

The first "golf" war was to get saddum out of kuwait, not to take over iraq because the UN didn't want to. And what would have been different doing it then, then doing it now?

And as for brainwashing at least we have public media that isn't state run, of course your gov. is trying to make this war look bad becasue they put all there faith in the unproductive UN that was proven uneffective.

Also why doesn't your "great" caring socialist governmetn do something about Congo, or any country for that matter, when was the last time Belgium did any thing to make this world a better place or help an impoverished people.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by tinybears
over here in Belgium all we see is the looting of the baghdad people.
the same people have to stop the looting , and what do the american and british soldiers do ???????, nothing they're just standing there to watch

what was the purpose of the war? disarming irak, I haven't seen any massdestruction weapons yet, you have ?
It's all fake that war, oil, money ,media
the thing you hear over here is that the american people are being brainwashed by the television and that they only show you what bush wants to.
american souldiers take videotapes and evidence material that can work against america away from the european cameramen is that democratic, thats fucking hitler 2

i deffinitly agree with the fact that sadam is wrong, but war is even more wrong,
there are now already more civilian victims than in golf war 1
if america had finished it then there would be no problems any more, but no they just went away, sadam killed everyone who worked together with america, and now they have to make that good !!! and also again the money oooooo yeah sweet money
a couple of days ago there was a massacre in congo, does bush does something about that ??? no there no fucking money,
man this war really upsets me
you are a dumbfuck. my god. get a clue. better yet, move to france

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by im_not_emo
mwwwwwwwahahahahaha
bush's evil plan has worked!
mwwahahahaha
Evil? We just liberated a country. Sounds like a good deed to me

[evil zach]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
How long are you willing to wait? There has yet to be succesfull socialism or communism, what makes you think that there will be someday? or that people would even want it?
I'll wait for ever. Anarchism will not exist in my life time, nor will communism, but I do belive that the basis for socialism will be achieved

[yeat182]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
Does your meda even show or tell you what is being looted? Almost all of it is government building and former army/gov. officials homes and offices.

The first "golf" war was to get saddum out of kuwait, not to take over iraq because the UN didn't want to. And what would have been different doing it then, then doing it now?

And as for brainwashing at least we have public media that isn't state run, of course your gov. is trying to make this war look bad becasue they put all there faith in the unproductive UN that was proven uneffective.

Also why doesn't your "great" caring socialist governmetn do something about Congo, or any country for that matter, when was the last time Belgium did any thing to make this world a better place or help an impoverished people.

yes our media does tell us that the government buildings are almost exclusivly being looted. private homes and buissnesses for the most part have been spared. they loot the buildings of the same government that killed millions of their own citizens and repressed its population. i have no problem with that, since for the most part they have been relatively peaceful (as far as lootings go)

We didn't take saddam out in the first gulf war because the UN said they would enforce their resolutions and garuntee that he would not be a threat to anyone. 12 years and 17 resolutions later, the UN was still saying that they need more time.

Our government isn't socialist. I seem to recall the belgium army running away from the rebels in Rwanda and leaving millions to be slaughtered. way to go. I also remember the US going into Kosovo to remove an evil dicatator when the UN refused to do anything about it.

[yeat182]

my bad, when i quoted you, i thought you were the dude from belgium. sorry. i hate this fucking board, every time i post it tells me that the server is busy, and i get all confused and lost. sorry again.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
I'll wait for ever. Anarchism will not exist in my life time, nor will communism, but I do belive that the basis for socialism will be achieved

Why do you think that people will want socialism when capitalism as been proven effective and socialism for themost part has failed?

[tinybears]

Originally posted by yeat182


Our government isn't socialist. I seem to recall the belgium army running away from the rebels in Rwanda and leaving millions to be slaughtered. way to go. I also remember the US going into Kosovo to remove an evil dicatator when the UN refused to do anything about it.

the belgian army can't liberate a country, I don't thing we have enough forces and bombs to do that

[tinybears]

Originally posted by yeat182
first of all, american tv doesn't show us what bush wants us to see, they show what will get them ratings.

yes, but bush makes it possible to give them this ratings with such a campaign

secondly, it sounds to me that you are being brainwashed if your media is so obviously biased.

I watch also CNN and british television so ...

thirdly, Saddam is "fucking hitler 2", not the US soldiers.
don't meant the us soldiers ( it's their job) but the bush regime !
and sure saddam is also a hitler they both are

fourthly, america was asked to free Kuwait in gulf war 1. they did that. they were not asked to remove saddam. The UN said that they would require him to destroy all his WMD's and such. If the UN did their job sometime within the last 12 years and 17 resolutions, there would be no war today.

america doesn't listen to the UN now why should they listen then, was there nothing to gain ?

Fifthly, the french step in when the Ivory Coast was in turmoil, yet not when Iraq is. why? the Ivory Coast was a former French colony, and they have alot of money invested in that region. the funny thing is, they have a lot of money invested in Iraq illegally, and going in there would have exposed that. typical of the french, hypocrits.

i'm not french,
is this the theory if he does bad I also can do bad ?

it can be that the media over here has a different opinion about it, but I think you also are influenced by yours !!

[tinybears]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
Does your meda even show or tell you what is being looted? Almost all of it is government building and former army/gov. officials homes and offices.

The first "golf" war was to get saddum out of kuwait, not to take over iraq because the UN didn't want to. And what would have been different doing it then, then doing it now?

And as for brainwashing at least we have public media that isn't state run, of course your gov. is trying to make this war look bad becasue they put all there faith in the unproductive UN that was proven uneffective.

Also why doesn't your "great" caring socialist governmetn do something about Congo, or any country for that matter, when was the last time Belgium did any thing to make this world a better place or help an impoverished people.

our government socialist ??
ok maybe I don"t get the definition

but the Belgian gouvernment does everything behind the screens, the negociate and everything they do isn't been put in the media to show whhhhhhooooooo where a good governement
the belgian don't gone make a war , they try to solve everything peacefully,

[tinybears]

i'm not gone negociate about the fact that sadam was bad, because he is he had to be stopped but not by a war !!!
all those innocent civilians killed, a whole country ruined
if you saw baghdad you couldn't say the streets were rubbish or the buildings, but now everything is bombed and who will have to pay for that?

an american from your government ( don't know his name) also said to belgium that the navo head quarter had to be taken away from belgium to another country, why ??? does somebody know that ?

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by tinybears
our government socialist ??
ok maybe I don"t get the definition

but the Belgian gouvernment does everything behind the screens, the negociate and everything they do isn't been put in the media to show whhhhhhooooooo where a good governement
the belgian don't gone make a war , they try to solve everything peacefully,

But what have they solved?

AND i know this will kill, because of what you've probably been taught (brainwashed ?), but NOT ALL PROBLEMS CAN BE SOLVED DIPLOMATICAL in the "real" world.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by tinybears
i'm not gone negociate about the fact that sadam was bad, because he is he had to be stopped but not by a war !!!
all those innocent civilians killed, a whole country ruined
if you saw baghdad you couldn't say the streets were rubbish or the buildings, but now everything is bombed and who will have to pay for that?

an american from your government ( don't know his name) also said to belgium that the navo head quarter had to be taken away from belgium to another country, why ??? does somebody know that ?

First its "nato." But i haven't heard. I guess we could trade ya forthe UN if you want.

Second have you looked at any other pictures of Iraq, other then baghdad which was the capital and a site of support for suddam, does your gov. even let you see other pictures? Iraqi's for the most part lived in poverty, with very little medical support or education unless your partent was part of the baath party, most of the cities had dirt road and wells for a water infraustructure, food was scarces and most of the what the UN sent went to Saddum or his military.

Also we already we and GB/Austr. are going to pay for it. But now countries like yours and Germ. franc. and Russia won't to help even though only a month ago they couldn't give one shit about he oppressed iraqi people.

[tinybears]

you think they give no shit??
they just don't want a war !
nobody knows what will happen if the middle east suddenly turns against us. I don't think a war can solve anything.

and outside baghdad, sure there are poor villages, but isn't that everywhere in the world?
it's a fact, you have poor and rich people ...
if you go to israël, the villages will be almoste the same as in irak, so is sharon bad ??
and it's navo over here , but yes in english nato

[tinybears]

I just get upset about this war.
all those innocent people killed, also american soldiers ! If I hear CNN it's always about the killed soldiers, but for me the iraki people have just the same value as any soldiers. Maybe not some of sadam's, although there are also soldiers that only fight for there country.
why do all those people have to die ? was this better for those people now sadam is gone, they're fucking dead

[yeat182]

Originally posted by tinybears
the belgian army can't liberate a country, I don't thing we have enough forces and bombs to do that


they weren't sent to liberate a country, they were sent to protect the citizens from the rebels, and they ran away.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by tinybears
i'm not gone negociate about the fact that sadam was bad, because he is he had to be stopped but not by a war !!!
all those innocent civilians killed, a whole country ruined
if you saw baghdad you couldn't say the streets were rubbish or the buildings, but now everything is bombed and who will have to pay for that?

an american from your government ( don't know his name) also said to belgium that the navo head quarter had to be taken away from belgium to another country, why ??? does somebody know that ?


everything in baghadad was not bombed. there is a surpirsingly small amount of damage. we didn't even knock out their power (the Baath party cut it).

think of all the innocent people that were killed by saddam, all the innocent people rotting in some tourture chamber because they said the wrong thing, think of all the men forced to fight because if they don't their families will be killed. do you think they didn't pray everyday that someone would come a save them?

[yeat182]

Originally posted by tinybears
I just get upset about this war.
all those innocent people killed, also american soldiers ! If I hear CNN it's always about the killed soldiers, but for me the iraki people have just the same value as any soldiers. Maybe not some of sadam's, although there are also soldiers that only fight for there country.
why do all those people have to die ? was this better for those people now sadam is gone, they're fucking dead


it is better for everyone that Saddam is dead

[yeat182]

Originally posted by tinybears
i'm not french,
is this the theory if he does bad I also can do bad ?

it can be that the media over here has a different opinion about it, but I think you also are influenced by yours !!


this theory that i posted was to show the hypocrisy of countries like the French, who say that they US is imperialistic, when in fact, they still use their colonies.

[tinybears]

I don't know anymore what to think about this war, I'm glad it's almost over !
sadam is bad
bush isn't such a nice guy either
an wars are useless

[yeat182]

war is not useless. it might not be pleasant and it might not always be nessesary, but it is certainly not useless.

[tinybears]

tikrit is taken, I hope it's over now
saddam has not been foung yet, let's hope he's dead !
just saw the wealt of sadam : old timers, a private zoo from his son with tigers and stuff
and stolen unicef material, it was time the regime fell,
a shame that it couldn't been done without a war but good it's over

[amishman]

Originally posted by tinybears
tikrit is taken, I hope it's over now
saddam has not been foung yet, let's hope he's dead !
just saw the wealt of sadam : old timers, a private zoo from his son with tigers and stuff
and stolen unicef material, it was time the regime fell,
a shame that it couldn't been done without a war but good it's over

How else could it have been done? Politics and diplomacy failed, that was tried.

[tinybears]

blix said his work wasn't over yet, and sadam was disarming
the cia just had to know how and where they could attack irak
if they knew he had no bombs they would attacked anyway

[yeat182]

saddam had 12 years to disarm, how much more time did he need? it didn't take the Ukraine or South Africa 12 years to disarm, they did it immediatly.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by tinybears
blix said his work wasn't over yet, and sadam was disarming
the cia just had to know how and where they could attack irak
if they knew he had no bombs they would attacked anyway

Blix would never have found anything because he didn't want to, we could have given him yrs and he wouldn't have found a thing.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by tinybears

bush isn't such a nice guy either


Why cause hes not a liberal? Or because he might be actually doing something for the good of not only his country but the rest of the world.

[NOFXdesendents5]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
Why cause hes not a liberal? Or because he might be actually doing something for the good of not only his country but the rest of the world.


::*sean stands up out of his seat and applauds that kick ass reply by Safety*::

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by NOFXdesendents5
::*sean stands up out of his seat and applauds that kick ass reply by Safety*::

I thought you didn't respect me ?

[NOFXdesendents5]

i posted this before i read your uneducated post.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by NOFXdesendents5
i posted this before i read your uneducated post.

Im uneducated, your the idiot that called FDR an isolationist.

[NOFXdesendents5]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
Im uneducated, your the idiot that called FDR an isolationist.

dude, he didnt want a war!

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by NOFXdesendents5
dude, he didnt want a war!

Dude, he did, and all history backs that up, from the outbrake of war his mind was made up.

[yeat182]

he was an isolationist in that the people of the country were overwhelmingly isolationist. he didn't want a war, but he knew that it was inevitable that the US at some point would have to get involved.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by yeat182
he was an isolationist in that the people of the country were overwhelmingly isolationist. he didn't want a war, but he knew that it was inevitable that the US at some point would have to get involved.

Man go actually read up on him, HE DID WANT TO GO TO WAR, now im not saying he was looking for a war to start, what im saying is that he wanted in to this war because he knew that germany would win with out us.

And i never said that americans weren't isolationist, but back then for the most part the gov. did what it wanted first and listened to the people second.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
Man go actually read up on him, HE DID WANT TO GO TO WAR, now im not saying he was looking for a war to start, what im saying is that he wanted in to this war because he knew that germany would win with out us.

And i never said that americans weren't isolationist, but back then for the most part the gov. did what it wanted first and listened to the people second.


i have read up on him, and i've read things published by reputable historians, not Mark Emmerson Willey, a know conspiracy theorist/FDR hater.

[yeat182]

also, at the time the US entered the war, we had the 38th ranked military in the world. we were behind countries like hungary and yugoslavia.

[Safetyin#]

Show me one site that actually says that he didn't want to go to war in Europe.

[katanan]

a few statements


you guys speak of the second world war

but think of the first as well



also it is a duty as a citizen in order to question government....it is a basis of the ideologies (as any poli sci student will attest)

in western civ democracies are to work from the bottom up not the top down



just a tidbit, not that i agree nor disagree with the war. i'm canadian and a supporter of counter-culture...so whatever

[yeat182]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
Show me one site that actually says that he didn't want to go to war in Europe.


he didn't want to go to war. he knew it was inevitable. there is a difference.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by yeat182
he didn't want to go to war. he knew it was inevitable. there is a difference.

Originally posted by Safetyin#
, HE DID WANT TO GO TO WAR, now im not saying he was looking for a war to start, what im saying is that he wanted in to this war because he knew that germany would win with out us.


now what are you fighting about.

[katanan]

mind you germany declared war upon the US not the other way around

a major downfall of the german regime was the decision to fight on two fronts...

US aggression during 1941 was directed at the japanese (freezing assets and oil supplies) therefore inciting japanese aggression

many forget that if russia had not been an integral part of the war things could have been very different with a focused nazi military arm.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
now what are you fighting about.

you keep saying that he "wanted" war, which isn't true.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by yeat182
he didn't want to go to war. he knew it was inevitable. there is a difference.

how is wanting to join this war, and knowing that it is inevitable that we join different?

[katanan]

well literally they are different things


wanting war is an active desire to get involved

knowing that war is inevitable is another matter as it implies that really either way if you want it or not it is going to happen


www.dictionary.com


but yes it doesn't matter to me either way.

[katanan]

but really guys this is turning into an 'igby goes down'-esque quibble over semantics

[yeat182]

if he "wanted" war, he would have joined the allies when germany invaded poland.

he realized that war was inevitable, because at some point, the british would lose out to germany, and the US would be the only country left to stop the Nazi's and Japan.

[katanan]

well that's questionable as well

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by yeat182
if he "wanted" war, he would have joined the allies when germany invaded poland.

he realized that war was inevitable, because at some point, the british would lose out to germany, and the US would be the only country left to stop the Nazi's and Japan.

Americans wouldn't have let him join the war after poland, so he couldn't.


And the second i've been saying this whole time.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
Americans wouldn't have let him join the war after poland, so he couldn't.


And the second i've been saying this whole time.

no, you've been saying that he wanted to go to war, and that he let pearl harbor happen.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by yeat182
no, you've been saying that he wanted to go to war, and that he let pearl harbor happen.

No actually you jump to conclusion. I've been saying the whole time on THIS page that he
"wanted to go to war because he knew Britian had lost."

[yeat182]

Originally posted by NOFXdesendents5
dude, he didnt want a war!


Originally posted by Safetyin#
Dude, he did, and all history backs that up, from the outbrake of war his mind was made up.

[Safetyin#]

i dont know how to explain this so that you will understand.

He wanted to be apart of this war because he knew it would be a lose with out us. So enter turn he did want war.

[yeat182]

if he didn't have to go to war, he wouldn't have. he realized that eventually he would have to get involved, but that doesn't mean he wanted war.


anyway, this has become pointless, we're pretty much argueing the same thing. lets call it a draw.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by yeat182
if he didn't have to go to war, he wouldn't have. he realized that eventually he would have to get involved, but that doesn't mean he wanted war.

then thats your opinion i think it means that he did want war, and you dont. it doesn't mean either of us were wrong, just we see the same statement differently.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by yeat182
if he didn't have to go to war, he wouldn't have. he realized that eventually he would have to get involved, but that doesn't mean he wanted war.


anyway, this has become pointless, we're pretty much argueing the same thing. lets call it a draw.

you edited after i posted, cool with me, we got to do this again sometime it was really fun.