2nd Amendment (The Right to Bare Arms)

[sargentlgfuad]

What Do You Think America Should Do About the 2nd Amendment?

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[Machu505]

*bear

I definitely think it should be changed. As of right now, it's far too vague in what it means by "arms". Nuclear weapons are arms. AK-47s are arms. The amendment was written during a time when nukes and automatic weapons didn't exist, and clearly Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin never intended for people to be carrying around AR-15s at presidential events.

It ought to be changed so the right to carry smaller weapons and things like shotguns is protected, but automatic and semi-automatic weapons? No way.

[Deadbolt01]

Both the guys in that video are dicks from where I stand.

As for the subject at hand, I'm british so my opinion is of little or no value. However, I strongly believe that the legalisation of arms is ridiculous and utterly backward. You wonder why you get these crackpots coming into schools with guns every once in a while comitting mass murders, they don't seem to happen very much in the UK....point is noone outside of the police or military should be uniformly trusted with an item that can kill in a second without warning chance of a fightback from the victim or any use other than to kill/do serious harm. It's a joke to me that civillians can carry weapons where they like, I don't care what your 'forefathers' said. In those days they also had savage racism, beheadings, slavery etc etc etc times have moved on. We know better now than we did before, surely you can see that?

[Yontsey]

Obama is going to save us all [/sarcasm]

[sargentlgfuad]

*bear

I definitely think it should be changed. As of right now, it's far too vague in what it means by "arms". Nuclear weapons are arms. AK-47s are arms. The amendment was written during a time when nukes and automatic weapons didn't exist, and clearly Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin never intended for people to be carrying around AR-15s at presidential events.

It ought to be changed so the right to carry smaller weapons and things like shotguns is protected, but automatic and semi-automatic weapons? No way.
lmao, I wrote bear first then I was like, that's not right, that's an animal, so I changed it. :hitself:
and I completely agree with your entire middle paragraph.

[Ari Christos]

More restrictions. The 2nd Amendment was originally created to give citizens the right to bear arms in order to form a militia in order to defend the country, because the US was still a very new country and didn't have a strong or large enough army.

Now that militia's no longer exist (or are not needed), the amendment seems kinda dated, and more restrictions should be put on it. Wiping the 2nd Amendment off the constitution completely would give leeway for others to argue the rest of the amendments and their validity, so I don't believe in that idea, but there's far too many gun-related crimes in this country compared to others for us to not put more restrictions on the amendment.

[Theseventhson]

Get rid of it.

[domotime2]

I would probably just toss on more restrictions, but "guns" isnt the cause of so many deaths/murders/columbine or whatever, it's the people who use them in an offensive way.

it's like when people use the argument..... Television made my son do it. No, your child is clearly messed up in other ways and the fact that something like fictionous television can trigger such a violent rampage should show that he's not right in the first place.

There are a lot of gang shootings....the problem isnt' "why do they have guns"....how about.. "why are there gangs?"

etc etc. I mean people with Ak-47's...that's ridiculous, but BLAH.

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Keep it as it is. Forever, and ever and ever.

[makeshiftmind]

I'm wearing a t-shirt right now so I like bare arms, but seriously I think guns should be regulated to military operations, I don't see why you would need it for protection if the criminals you were protecting yourself from don't have guns either.

[kdefrisc]

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[Brand-new-123]

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[mpw]

Both the guys in that video are dicks from where I stand.

As for the subject at hand, I'm british so my opinion is of little or no value. However, I strongly believe that the legalisation of arms is ridiculous and utterly backward. You wonder why you get these crackpots coming into schools with guns every once in a while comitting mass murders, they don't seem to happen very much in the UK....point is noone outside of the police or military should be uniformly trusted with an item that can kill in a second without warning chance of a fightback from the victim or any use other than to kill/do serious harm. It's a joke to me that civillians can carry weapons where they like, I don't care what your 'forefathers' said. In those days they also had savage racism, beheadings, slavery etc etc etc times have moved on. We know better now than we did before, surely you can see that?

I agree with everything you said, even to the point that both those guys are dicks. But, it's not like my opinion is going to change anything.

[phil19]

as i am not american my opinion is somewhat mute, however, i think that the ease with which it seems people are able to get hold of weapons in america is out of control. something needs to be done.

[EndHasAStart]

Both the guys in that video are dicks from where I stand.

As for the subject at hand, I'm british so my opinion is of little or no value. However, I strongly believe that the legalisation of arms is ridiculous and utterly backward. You wonder why you get these crackpots coming into schools with guns every once in a while comitting mass murders, they don't seem to happen very much in the UK....point is noone outside of the police or military should be uniformly trusted with an item that can kill in a second without warning chance of a fightback from the victim or any use other than to kill/do serious harm. It's a joke to me that civillians can carry weapons where they like, I don't care what your 'forefathers' said. In those days they also had savage racism, beheadings, slavery etc etc etc times have moved on. We know better now than we did before, surely you can see that?

I'm also British and completely agree. Guns are for killing.

[jbaseball44]

More restrictions

[Deadbolt01]

I'm also British and completely agree. Guns are for killing.
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[CarpeDiem8711]

Keep it as it is. In fact, get rid of all federal restrictions that have been put in place since the drafting of the constitution (e.g. automatic weapons ban).

I know guns get a bad rep, but the intent of the 2nd amendment was primarily for protection against tyrannical governments, hunting and self-defense. If you read our founders arguments for the 2nd amendment you would understand this.

Is it sickening to see so much gang violence, school shootings, suicides, etc. because of guns? Absolutely. But the problem isn't guns or the ease of getting them. It's these messed up people -- a large part who are heavily medicated or use illegal drugs.

Instead of trying to fix a symptom (gun violence) we need to address the cancer itself. Why are people so easily able to kill others with complete disregard to their victims lives and their own? Are these prescribed medications really that safe? How is it a sizable segment of low income minorities have gone from dignified humans to killers and drug peddlers? What can be done to curve these trends?

If guns were outlawed you will still be dealing with gun violence. Think about it. If these criminals don't care what happens to them regardless of who they kill now, why would change their ways if guns were outlawed? Criminals would still find ways to get guns. You would just be hurting law-abiding citizens who want to own guns for self-defense.

[Machu505]

Keep it as it is. In fact, get rid of all federal restrictions that have been put in place since the drafting of the constitution (e.g. automatic weapons ban).

I know guns get a bad rep, but the intent of the 2nd amendment was primarily for protection against tyrannical governments, hunting and self-defense. If you read our founders arguments for the 2nd amendment you would understand this.

Is it sickening to see so much gang violence, school shootings, suicides, etc. because of guns? Absolutely. But the problem isn't guns or the ease of getting them. It's these messed up people -- a large part who are heavily medicated or use illegal drugs.

Instead of trying to fix a symptom (gun violence) we need to address the cancer itself. Why are people so easily able to kill others with complete disregard to their victims lives and their own? Are these prescribed medications really that safe? How is it a sizable segment of low income minorities have gone from dignified humans to killers and drug peddlers? What can be done to curve these trends?

If guns were outlawed you will still be dealing with gun violence. Think about it. If these criminals don't care what happens to them regardless of who they kill now, why would change their ways if guns were outlawed? Criminals would still find ways to get guns. You would just be hurting law-abiding citizens who want to own guns for self-defense.
You don't really think a well-armed militia could defeat the government, do you?

[CarpeDiem8711]

You don't really think a well-armed militia could defeat the government, do you?
Does the American Revolution ring any bells? They took on the most powerful military at the time and were victorious. It was only a small percentage of the U.S. population who fought back and resisted the British Empire (granted they had France as an ally later on in the war).

Is the U.S. military more powerful today? Yes. Do they still have difficulty with guerilla warfare? Absolutely. It would be much more challenging today to fight a military as heavily armed and equipped as the U.S. military, but somehow third-world countries have been able and continue to put up a strong resistance.

[threepunchjim]

This issue's hairy. Although I don't believe anyone wants to be the cashier haggling over produce with a shotgun-wielding soccer momma, to completely abandon the right to bear arms is to put complete, unadulterated faith in the federal government. (Conspiracy Alert) In the improbable case of government overthrow, nationwide epidemic, or nuclear apocalypse, I reserve my right to wield a registered weapon to defend myself.

Also, guns don't kill; people kill. Any of us could kill with pens and paperclips if we so desired. People that want to kill WILL kill, firearms or not. So should we limit their capability to slaughter? Absolutely. As others have already mentioned, civilians carrying around automatic weapons is fairly ludicrous. However, we still must remember the tired - but still relevant - argument that federal law speaks diddly to black market trade. Eliminating citizens' right to carry legal firearms will not ameliorate illegal weapons trade, just like outlawing marijuana, cocaine, and prostitutes doesn't mean I can't get them if I wanted them. More restrictive gun control is just another face-saving solution for a more criminally rooted problem.

[threepunchjim]

Does the American Revolution ring any bells? They took on the most powerful military at the time and were victorious. It was only a small percentage of the U.S. population who fought back and resisted the British Empire (granted they had France as an ally later on in the war).

Is the U.S. military more powerful today? Yes. Do they still have difficulty with guerilla warfare? Absolutely. It would be much more challenging today to fight a military as heavily armed and equipped as the U.S. military, but somehow third-world countries have been able and continue to put up a strong resistance.

You would really love DMZ. It's a fantastic comic-book series/political commentary on what would happen if America engaged in a second Civil War. Awesome stuff, really.

[Poultrylicious]

this poll is actually constructive

[Animalhill]

*bear

I definitely think it should be changed. As of right now, it's far too vague in what it means by "arms". Nuclear weapons are arms. AK-47s are arms. The amendment was written during a time when nukes and automatic weapons didn't exist, and clearly Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin never intended for people to be carrying around AR-15s at presidential events.

It ought to be changed so the right to carry smaller weapons and things like shotguns is protected, but automatic and semi-automatic weapons? No way.
This. Love the avatar- saw the movie last night. I love how my people's women are so fucking gorgeous- really makes a Jew proud.

[SeanEBoy2686]

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I was waiting to see how long it would take for somone to post this... i love it

[kdefrisc]

I was waiting to see how long it would take for somone to post this... i love it

Lol I know right I almost bought the shirt

[xxxxxxxxxxxmatt]

Both the guys in that video are dicks from where I stand.

As for the subject at hand, I'm british so my opinion is of little or no value. However, I strongly believe that the legalisation of arms is ridiculous and utterly backward. You wonder why you get these crackpots coming into schools with guns every once in a while comitting mass murders, they don't seem to happen very much in the UK....point is noone outside of the police or military should be uniformly trusted with an item that can kill in a second without warning chance of a fightback from the victim or any use other than to kill/do serious harm. It's a joke to me that civillians can carry weapons where they like, I don't care what your 'forefathers' said. In those days they also had savage racism, beheadings, slavery etc etc etc times have moved on. We know better now than we did before, surely you can see that?
I completely agree.

[joeag1985]

I don't expect anyone to know/get the comedy of the man in this video... but upon seeing the title video in this thread, I immediately thought of him...

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[Theseventhson]

I don't expect anyone to know/get the comedy of the man in this video... but upon seeing the title video in this thread, I immediately thought of him...

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Is that the guy from all the Simon Pegg movies?

[joeag1985]

Is that the guy from all the Simon Pegg movies?

Good spot! It is indeed. Dylan Moran... Comedian/Actor. He's amazing I have to say. I don't use that word too often.

He co-created possibly the greatest series since Fawlty Towers a few years ago. Black Books... well worth checking out.

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[jwicklun]

I'm just against automatics. Really, who in the hell has used an AK for protection?

[joeag1985]

I'm just against automatics. Really, who in the hell has used an AK for protection?

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[jwicklun]

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with the exception of NWA

[Rakkalakka]

i like how the news guy doesnt talk. he YELLS.

ABLAH BLAHBLAH. IM ASKING A QUESTION REALLY LOUD. I THINK YOUR DUMB SO I GOTTA YELL SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND ME.

xD people are so dumb. i love it.