Best Hardcore Vocalist?

[TheJonInvented]

Who do you think does it best?
Let's break it up into -
Screams.
Clean.

For me it has to be
Screams - Jeremy McKinnon - ADTR
Clean - Craig Owens - Chiodos

My opinion.

[AndrewIcex]

Prepare to be flamed.

[SophGod]

where are the hardcore vocalists you were supposed to list?

[wuduprod]

Prepare to be flamed.

beat me to the warning. this is gonna be bad.

[narcoleptic953]

(They all suck)

[bestofmoss]

I like Chiodos too.

[TheJonInvented]

I figured being flamed would happen.

And there's no list, just whoever you thinks good.

[megajon]

Who do you think does it best?
Let's break it up into -
Screams.
Clean.

For me it has to be
Screams - Jeremy McKinnon - ADTR
Clean - Craig Owens - Chiodos

My opinion.

You really think they're hardcore vocalists mate? I'm all for having your own opinion but you gotta pick people in hardcore bands. Jeremy from ADTR aint bad and he could be a hardcore vocalist problem is he isnt really in a hardcore band.


Mine:

Cleans and Screams - Sam Carter - Architects
Screams - Levi Benton - Miss May I
Cleans - Jeremy DePoyster - The Devil Wears Prada

[AndrewIcex]

beat me to the warning. this is gonna be bad.
Yeah... its a sad story.

[Colorblind!]

You really think they're hardcore vocalists mate? I'm all for having your own opinion but you gotta pick people in hardcore bands. Jeremy from ADTR aint bad and he could be a hardcore vocalist problem is he isnt really in a hardcore band.


Mine:

Cleans and Screams - Sam Carter - Architects
Screams - Levi Benton - Miss May I
Cleans - Jeremy DePoyster - The Devil Wears Prada

LOL IS THIS REAL?
You just called him out on listing things that weren't in hardcore bands and then you give this atrocious list. My word.

[saysmydoctor]

:sigh:

[x-factor6]

wow. Ok you don't know classics, it's because of your age, but come on...

at least take a look around here and check out some hardcore bands of our time.
http://www.bridge9.com/artists

[TotalCollapse]

Prepare to be flamed.
This.

[OldJersey]

Buckley.

[megajon]

wow. Ok you don't know classics, it's because of your age, but come on...

at least take a look around here and check out some hardcore bands of our time.
http://www.bridge9.com/artists

Bridge9. Don't they have Dead Swans on their roster? Love that band.

[Colorblind!]

wow. Ok you don't know classics, it's because of your age, but come on...

at least take a look around here and check out some hardcore bands of our time.
http://www.bridge9.com/artists

Why don't you ever post in the hardcore thread? And age is no excuse, for I am barely seventeen.

Bridge9. Don't they have Dead Swans on their roster? Love that band.

really?

[Broclee]

:lol:

[ZzyzxScarecrow]

zoli from ignite

[MILFCORE]

Nickelback

[ivebeendegaused]

Thomas Barnett. Strike Anywhere and Inquisition . 'Nuff Said.

[thatwasamoment]

Pete Wentz. duh

[summer skin]

why do these threads keep getting made when it's a known fact that anyone who doesn't say Jacob Bannon will get struck down with the AIDS virus?

[ablueskytragedy]

Definitely Ian Curtis.

[more heart]

wow. Ok you don't know classics, it's because of your age, but come on...

at least take a look around here and check out some hardcore bands of our time.
http://www.bridge9.com/artists
Take note kids: This is what hardcore is.

[summer skin]

B9 = TR00 HxC

[megajon]

really?

Really that I like Dead Swans? Or really that they are on Bridge 9

[summer skin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah1x5dRgqsw

[exploration #4]

so much lol

[EastCoastLights]

this thread makes me wanna windmill

[OdeToTheSun]

Chiodos = Spinkicks R Us

[davefalcone777]

Josh Scogin.

[TheJonInvented]

I do like Some bands on bridge9.
Have Heart is pretty great.

I checked out Dead Swans,
Pretty good.

[IWasHerHorse]

You'd think the best hardcore vocalist would be from a hardcore band, go figure.

Anyways, Ross from Ceremony is pretty awesome.

[EvilZeppelin]

Clean and Scream: Francis Mark (From Autumn to Ashes)

[iheartmusic043]

Two words: Dallas Green

[foisol]

Jacob Bannon (new)
Henry Rollins (old)

[Jaimehere]

Who do you think does it best?
Let's break it up into -
Screams.
Clean.

For me it has to be
Screams - Jeremy McKinnon - ADTR
Clean - Craig Owens - Chiodos

My opinion.

those 2 aren't hardcore vocalists :(

for me my favorites are Matt Bruso of Bury Your Dead(bring him back bitches), Carl Schwartz of First Blood, the vocalist of The Ghost Inside(dunno his name) and Anthony Civarelli of Gorilla Biscuits and CIV

[xjdizzle]

You really think they're hardcore vocalists mate? I'm all for having your own opinion but you gotta pick people in hardcore bands. Jeremy from ADTR aint bad and he could be a hardcore vocalist problem is he isnt really in a hardcore band.


Mine:

Cleans and Screams - Sam Carter - Architects
Screams - Levi Benton - Miss May I
Cleans - Jeremy DePoyster - The Devil Wears Prada

Epic fail ! The devil wears Prada is not a hardcore band.... Theyre more posthardcore and metalcore mixed together for scene kids.Theres nothing about hardcore in their songs watsoever.Its All Christian based. Mother
ay I is a horrible band.

[abcdefghijake]

Jesse Lacey...?...

[xjdizzle]

Craig owens? come fuckin on .Thats a freakin scene emo screamo band hes in.
But heres my list.

Cleans and screams:Nick Brooks -It Dies today
Screams Jacob Bannon- Convege
Clean:Evan Pharmakis- Vanna

[anthonydarko]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/JacobBannon.jpg
The only acceptable answer, my children. Oh and lol at OP's list.

[screamoutmyname]

lol @ thread

ian mackaye/henry rollins.

[anthonydarko]

Craig owens? come fuckin on .Thats a freakin scene emo screamo band hes in.
But heres my list.

Cleans and screams:Nick Brooks -It Dies today
Screams Jacob Bannon- Convege
Clean:Evan Pharmakis- Vanna
Like It Dies Today and Vanna aren't the same thing?

[billy_yo]

Buckley.

110% agree

[Theseventhson]

Ian Mackaye, Daryl Palumbo, J. Bannon, Alex Dunne.

[Javs]

Craig owens is a good vocalist, but when was he ever in a hardcore band? lnk plz

[murrich]

http://www.mmmm.eclipse.co.uk/images/BobCut2.jpg

[last light]

This site is so pathetic now. Jesus fucking christ.

[PunksNotDead!]

lol @ thread

ian mackaye/henry rollins.
im glad someone else recognizes this

[InsmileOutblood]

Not best, but some of my favorites

Old:
Ray Cappo
John Joseph
Dave Smalley
Civ
Ian MacKaye
John Brannon

Current:
Jacob Bannon
Lee Spielman
Dwid Hellion
Jay Pepito
Kevin Baker

[timb89]

the guy from bring me the horizion.

i feel a little dirty even making this joke.

[turncoat93]

=(


just =(

[Mibabalou]

hayley williams

right

that band is br00tal

[xmicxcorex]

I'm just gonna go out on the limb and say straight up, if you want a hardcore vocalist, probably gonna be Ian McKaye

If you wanna list some good metalcore vocalists
Mike from TDWP (has incredible range, though it's not rightly shown in most recordings)
the dude from The Ghost Inside
Frank from Emmure has...interesting vocals, but definitely not for everyone.


Quite frankly, though im a part of the metalcore scene, I'm just gonna say two things:
There's no such thing as a "the best" when it comes to metalcore, unlike many other genres where you can just man up and admit that Jesse Lacey is a fucking badass.
Also, this site is not remotely the place to even bring things like this up, you'll drown in tears as the pretentious indie kids eat you alive.

If you are confused enough to still refer to modern metalcore and scenecore as hardcore, you obviously need a good dose of early 80's in your ears, hardcore is nothing like it used to be anymore unless you're in a DC basement. What we have now is metal, simple as that.

TLDR section; I love Chiodos, I have since they were the Chiodos Bros, but they are certainly not hardcore or metal, they are screamo and Post-emo (yes, i relabeled it, they are not Jimmy Eat World, The Get Up Kids, The Promise Ring or Texas Is The Reason, they are NOT emo). You should be slapped across the face for saying they are hardcore. Then kicked in the dong.

[InsmileOutblood]

You should be slapped across the face for saying they are hardcore. Then kicked in the dong.
Same should go for calling them screamo.

[Broclee]

Quite frankly, though im a part of the metalcore scene, I'm just gonna say two things:
There's no such thing as a "the best" when it comes to metalcore, unlike many other genres where you can just man up and admit that Jesse Lacey is a fucking badass.
Also, this site is not remotely the place to even bring things like this up, you'll drown in tears as the pretentious indie kids eat you alive.

http://www.lolwut.com/layout/lolwut.jpg

[screamoutmyname]

im glad someone else recognizes this

;-)

[maxvsmaradona]

Jesse Lacey: both.

[HelloxAlone]

Nickelback

LOL
that probably shouldn't have made me laugh as much as it did.

[badasstunes!]

screams-
phil bozeman (whitechapel)
daryl palumbo (glassJaw)

clean
dallas green (alexisonfire, city and color)

[GoWaitInTheCar]

Definitely Ian Curtis.

In to say this.

[mht]

Take note kids: This is what hardcore is.



what? are you fucking high?

[ThisIsNotDan]

hardcore, Bridge9, tomatoe, tomato

[joeag1985]

PubsCQro0Lo&feature=related

[Clark]

This thread is a complete failure.

[You Won't Know]

Who gives a shit if those bands are or are not "hardcore" in a traditional sense? Do we want to start going back to "true" hardcore and say Black Flag? I mean, the bands that have been mentioned so far have some brutally heavy parts, even if they have clean singing also. Heavy music shouldn't attempt to segregate itself so much.

To answer the question for me personally, my favorite is and always will be the illustrious Mr. Daryl Palumbo. His screaming is the some of the most real shit I've ever heard on record, especially on EYEWTKAS. At the end of "Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Silence," when Daryl is screaming so hard the mic captures his coughing fit at the end, it makes the record for me. And the underrated part is his clean singing, easily the best for any post hardcore band. Dude could front a grindcore band and also makes hip hop records and 80s style power pop.

Plainly put, Daryl is the undisputed G.O.A.T.

(Now finish the LP, let's get more than an EP Daryl.)

[xmicxcorex]

Same should go for calling them screamo.



really? ...really? last i checked, they are screamo.

[You Won't Know]

really? ...really? last i checked, they are screamo.

See, this is why I have a problem with so much categorization. Because "screamo" as we know it now fits those bands perfectly.

But there was actually another "first wave" that purists argue is when the term was first applied. Examples include East Coast/ D.C. groups, such as Orchid, Circle Takes the Square, pg. 99, Hot Cross, Saetia, and Ampere. It's much heavier and more chaotic than the "screamo" of today.

Personally, I don't care enough to argue these things. I love a lot of heavy music, and I don't feel guilty if they have clean parts, either. This bullshit arguing about "what genre fits what" ruins what could be an interesting thread. Right now, thread blows.

[xmicxcorex]

See, this is why I have a problem with so much categorization. Because "screamo" as we know it now fits those bands perfectly.

But there was actually another "first wave" that purists argue is when the term was first applied. Examples include East Coast/ D.C. groups, such as Orchid, Circle Takes the Square, pg. 99, Hot Cross, Saetia, and Ampere. It's much heavier and more chaotic than the "screamo" of today.

Personally, I don't care enough to argue these things. I love a lot of heavy music, and I don't feel guilty if they have clean parts, either. This bullshit arguing about "what genre fits what" ruins what could be an interesting thread. Right now, thread blows.


A couple things:
first and foremost, im gonna be a man about it and admit that I was wrong. Thank you very much for correcting me and teaching me about this.
second, I'm really in the same boat as you, metal is metal, punk is punk, the fusion of the two (IMO) is hardcore-in most situations. I just love a good breakdown and something solid to 2-step to. ...a solid circle pit is worth a few bucks in my books too.

[kbi the crowing]

Buckley.

exactly what I came here to say

[You Won't Know]

A couple things:
first and foremost, im gonna be a man about it and admit that I was wrong. Thank you very much for correcting me and teaching me about this.
second, I'm really in the same boat as you, metal is metal, punk is punk, the fusion of the two (IMO) is hardcore-in most situations. I just love a good breakdown and something solid to 2-step to. ...a solid circle pit is worth a few bucks in my books too.


You sound like a good dude. I wasn't trying to be any kind of "all-knowing hardcore genius" or anything. I hate the categorizations. But I think it's nice to try and explain something instead of letting other people devour your opinion just because you don't know about some obscure scene with about 10 bands in the early 90s. Basically, the same thing happened to me and I was embarrassed, it sucked.

And you and I are in the same boat. I love a heavy breakdown when I hear one, and going to shows is one of my favorite things to do. As for your choices, never really listen to A Ghost Inside, who would you compare them to? Is it worth checking out?

[Burn That Shit]

Who gives a shit if those bands are or are not "hardcore" in a traditional sense? Do we want to start going back to "true" hardcore and say Black Flag? I mean, the bands that have been mentioned so far have some brutally heavy parts, even if they have clean singing also. Heavy music shouldn't attempt to segregate itself so much.

To answer the question for me personally, my favorite is and always will be the illustrious Mr. Daryl Palumbo. His screaming is the some of the most real shit I've ever heard on record, especially on EYEWTKAS. At the end of "Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Silence," when Daryl is screaming so hard the mic captures his coughing fit at the end, it makes the record for me. And the underrated part is his clean singing, easily the best for any post hardcore band. Dude could front a grindcore band and also makes hip hop records and 80s style power pop.

Plainly put, Daryl is the undisputed G.O.A.T.

(Now finish the LP, let's get more than an EP Daryl.)

lol.

[schenksta]

Buckley.

This.

[andrewa5]

Buckley.
Definetly near the top of this list!

[3GunGaz]

The whole Chiodos thing was a joke right?

Wes Eisold for me... I fucking LOVED Give Up The Ghost

Jake Bannon (Converge), Pat Flynn (Have Heart), Sean Murphy (VERSE)

[xmicxcorex]

You sound like a good dude. I wasn't trying to be any kind of "all-knowing hardcore genius" or anything. I hate the categorizations. But I think it's nice to try and explain something instead of letting other people devour your opinion just because you don't know about some obscure scene with about 10 bands in the early 90s. Basically, the same thing happened to me and I was embarrassed, it sucked.

And you and I are in the same boat. I love a heavy breakdown when I hear one, and going to shows is one of my favorite things to do. As for your choices, never really listen to A Ghost Inside, who would you compare them to? Is it worth checking out?


dude! the ghost inside is sick. honestly, I don't have a clue who to compare them to....in an AltPress ad I saw recently they were described as "metal with just the right amount of hardcore" (mind you this is the modern hardcore).
I didn't figure you were trying to be the all-knowing guy...I'm along the same lines as you when it comes to "emo". I get a bit defensive when people call bands like Hawthorne Heights and Fall Out Boy emo....the people saying that are the ones who never listened to bands like The Get Up Kids (my personal all-time favorite band) or old Jimmy Eat World, and so on. Drives me nuts! But I don't try to force it on them, I just share those bands with them explaining that that's the early version that inspired a lot of modern bands.

[Zachals]

screams: chester bennington - linkin park
cleanz: mike shinoda - linkin park

[anthonydarko]

screams: chester bennington - linkin park
cleanz: mike shinoda - linkin park
1ytCEuuW2_A

[Feenucks]

Both - Dustin Kensrue

[banana_hammock]

Al Brown.

[Bloodsucker II]

Micah Kinard, T.J. Bonnette, Cody Bonnette

[Theseventhson]

Pete Wentz

[You Won't Know]

dude! the ghost inside is sick. honestly, I don't have a clue who to compare them to....in an AltPress ad I saw recently they were described as "metal with just the right amount of hardcore" (mind you this is the modern hardcore).
I didn't figure you were trying to be the all-knowing guy...I'm along the same lines as you when it comes to "emo". I get a bit defensive when people call bands like Hawthorne Heights and Fall Out Boy emo....the people saying that are the ones who never listened to bands like The Get Up Kids (my personal all-time favorite band) or old Jimmy Eat World, and so on. Drives me nuts! But I don't try to force it on them, I just share those bands with them explaining that that's the early version that inspired a lot of modern bands.

Makes sense man. Personally when people told me that, I decided to check out bands like Saves the Day, and Clarity-era JEW, as well as other early bands so I could get a feel for what came before and inspired the bands I love now. With most of the 'screamo' bands I was in from the ground up, although I had to go back and get more into At The Drive In and Refused.

I also think another good choice for some of the best vocalists, or maybe most interesting hardcore vocalists: the Blood Brothers.

[ThemChains]

A lot of the responses in this thread are fucking terrible. All of you need to step the fuck out of hardcore.

[GunTheVillain]

Clay Aiken - Clean
Oli "Da Reaper" Sykes - Br00dle krushin skreemz ov deth at uh gr1m/nekrow as fuk birfday pardee trown by yo mamma whoo im kurintly doin in bed, bruv.

[anthonydarko]

The fake answers really aren't that funny as you think they are when you're chuckling to yourself typing them, so why try?

[ThemChains]

Clay Aiken - Clean
Oli "Da Reaper" Sykes - Br00dle krushin skreemz ov deth at uh gr1m/nekrow as fuk birfday pardee trown by yo mamma whoo im kurintly doin in bed, bruv.

Worst poster? Probably.

[anthonydarko]

Worst poster? Probably.
Nay, just a terrible sense of humor.

[xmicxcorex]

Makes sense man. Personally when people told me that, I decided to check out bands like Saves the Day, and Clarity-era JEW, as well as other early bands so I could get a feel for what came before and inspired the bands I love now. With most of the 'screamo' bands I was in from the ground up, although I had to go back and get more into At The Drive In and Refused.

I also think another good choice for some of the best vocalists, or maybe most interesting hardcore vocalists: the Blood Brothers.


Dude, the Refused are so amazing (not forgetting ATDI, theyre awesome, too, but...). And ya, I've always had a passion for the Blood Brothers. I miss them greatly, their live show was so insane.

[anthonydarko]

The Refused? I had no idea there was a second part of their name.

[mht]

dude shares with kids that The Get Up Kids is an emo band someone needs to share with him what an actual fucking hardcore band is because it's certainly not The Blood Brothers or "The Refused" or that god awful Ghost Inside band.

[superBMRuth]

Bridge9. Don't they have Dead Swans on their roster? Love that band.
the majority of hardcore bands worth listening to are on that roster

[wuduprod]

dude shares with kids that The Get Up Kids is an emo band someone needs to share with him what an actual fucking hardcore band is because it's certainly not The Blood Brothers or "The Refused" or that god awful Ghost Inside band.

Truth. I'd rather take a bath with a toaster than listen to the blood brothers.

Anyways, my vote goes to Human Furnace from Ringworm.

[istillfeelher]

I'm just gonna go out on the limb and say straight up, if you want a hardcore vocalist, probably gonna be Ian McKaye

If you wanna list some good metalcore vocalists
Mike from TDWP (has incredible range, though it's not rightly shown in most recordings)
the dude from The Ghost Inside
Frank from Emmure has...interesting vocals, but definitely not for everyone.


Quite frankly, though im a part of the metalcore scene, I'm just gonna say two things:
There's no such thing as a "the best" when it comes to metalcore, unlike many other genres where you can just man up and admit that Jesse Lacey is a fucking badass.
Also, this site is not remotely the place to even bring things like this up, you'll drown in tears as the pretentious indie kids eat you alive.

If you are confused enough to still refer to modern metalcore and scenecore as hardcore, you obviously need a good dose of early 80's in your ears, hardcore is nothing like it used to be anymore unless you're in a DC basement. What we have now is metal, simple as that.

TLDR section; I love Chiodos, I have since they were the Chiodos Bros, but they are certainly not hardcore or metal, they are screamo and Post-emo (yes, i relabeled it, they are not Jimmy Eat World, The Get Up Kids, The Promise Ring or Texas Is The Reason, they are NOT emo). You should be slapped across the face for saying they are hardcore. Then kicked in the dong.

this.
fucking this.

[Richard Maxim]

Brennan from Oceana is a damn good at both.

[ThemChains]

the majority of hardcore bands worth listening to are on that roster

lol.


Dingle statement of the year.

[xjdizzle]

Like It Dies Today and Vanna aren't the same thing?

Theyre not the same thing .Vanna is fom Boston and they play with hardcore bands out there all the time.
It Dies today has some of the sickest breakdowns ever on The Caitiff Choir. Their last tours where with Walls of Jericho and Comeback Kid the last time i saw them. Bads that are nothing alike Chiodos and they played Ozzfest .Emo bands dont get on Ozzfest trust me..

[anthonydarko]

Theyre not the same thing .Vanna is fom Boston and they play with hardcore bands out there all the time.
It Dies today has some of the sickest breakdowns ever on The Caitiff Choir. Their last tours where with Walls of Jericho and Comeback Kid the last time i saw them. Bads that are nothing alike Chiodos and they played Ozzfest .Emo bands dont get on Ozzfest trust me..
First off, both Vanna and It Dies Today are the same thing, they both whine about their girlfriend problems non-stop on their gimmick metalcore records. Just because they have half assed breakdowns, that doesn't mean their lyrical content are any different. Second off, being on Ozzfest is no fucking achievement. Ozzfest is one of the worst tours out there, there's a reason why many credible metal bands stay away from it. It treats artist like shit and overcharges people for bland music. Hell, not even Ozzy wants to do it anymore, so that should be a sign to how bad it is. Also, you say that "emo" bands don't get on Ozzfest, but yet last time I checked, Atreyu was on there as well so I'm pretty sure that defeats that point. Face it, you can argue your point until you are blue in the face, it won't change that you honestly have no fucking idea of what you are talking about and if anything, you're just another naive kid who found some generic horseshit like Vanna or It Dies Today and feels that gives him the given right to declare, incorrectly I might add, what is "emo" and what is not. Oh and food for thought, next time when you call out a band like Chiodos for being "emo" as you put it, don't list bands in your favorite band list like Hawthorne Heights, Bullet For My Valentine, AFI, Silverstein, From First To Last, Dashboard Confessional, and Armor for Sleep, you know bands that are that are given that same incorrect term? Hell, it doesn't help when you list the band you are insulting either.

[willvc]

. Also, you say that "emo" bands don't get on Ozzfest, but yet last time I checked, Atreyu was on there as well so I'm pretty sure that defeats that point. .

Amazing.

[wewascontenders]

hmm i can only imagine what the first few pages of this thread had in them.

[mht]

I saw Glassjaw and lostprophets at Ozzfest and that is as pussy and scene music can get

[InaGreendase]

hmm i can only imagine what the first few pages of this thread had in them.

Hahahah.

Jeffrey Eaton.

[superBMRuth]

Does anyone REALLY know what hardcore is? Cause as far as my knowledge, it's just people saying that other people are wrong about what hardcore is. This whole labeling thing is stupid. Are they hardcore? No they're metalcore! Are they screamo? No that's post-hardcore! Music is music and if you like it, you like it. Quit trying to label and define everything all it does is create animosity and petty internet flaming like what is evidenced in this thread.


EDIT: 420 posts! hehe

[You Won't Know]

I saw Glassjaw and lostprophets at Ozzfest and that is as pussy and scene music can get

God you suck. Glassjaw is as pussy and scene as you can get? I think my head is going to fucking explode.

You ever heard "You Think You're John Fuckin' Lennon"? "Motel of the White Locust"? "Hurting and Shoving?" "Stuck Pig?" The entire EYEWTKAS album?

Besides the fact that they are some of the most creative and proficient musicians in any genre, let alone 'hardcore' or whatever it may be.

Whatever, this thread sucks so much dick Jeffree Star would be jealous.

[You Won't Know]

Dude, the Refused are so amazing (not forgetting ATDI, theyre awesome, too, but...). And ya, I've always had a passion for the Blood Brothers. I miss them greatly, their live show was so insane.

All three are great bands. Always wished I could've seen the Refused and ATDI, and still holding out hope on Glassjaw.

I did manage to see the Blood Brothers' last tour before they broke up - fucking great live band. So glad I went.

[ThemChains]

Does anyone REALLY know what hardcore is? Cause as far as my knowledge, it's just people saying that other people are wrong about what hardcore is. This whole labeling thing is stupid. Are they hardcore? No they're metalcore! Are they screamo? No that's post-hardcore! Music is music and if you like it, you like it. Quit trying to label and define everything all it does is create animosity and petty internet flaming like what is evidenced in this thread.


EDIT: 420 posts! hehe
Shut up. Holier than thou because I'm "being open minded" is played out. Especially on this site. Do you REALLY know what hardcore is? Do any of us care if anyone in this thread REALLY knows what hardcore is? Hardcore, for the most part, doesn't even exist on this site. This coming from the guy who said that Bridge 9 has the only hardcore bands worth listening to.
God you suck. Glassjaw is as pussy and scene as you can get? I think my head is going to fucking explode.

You ever heard "You Think You're John Fuckin' Lennon"? "Motel of the White Locust"? "Hurting and Shoving?" "Stuck Pig?" The entire EYEWTKAS album?

Besides the fact that they are some of the most creative and proficient musicians in any genre, let alone 'hardcore' or whatever it may be.

Whatever, this thread sucks so much dick Jeffree Star would be jealous.

Bolded statement proves the fact that you know nothing about actually being creative or a talented musician. Average band at best.

[You Won't Know]

dude shares with kids that The Get Up Kids is an emo band someone needs to share with him what an actual fucking hardcore band is because it's certainly not The Blood Brothers or "The Refused" or that god awful Ghost Inside band.

The Blood Brothers aren't hardcore? Seems like they embody everything you could ask about hardcore - a DIY attitude, hard touring lifestyle, straight edge aesthetic, extremely heavy and fast music with abrasive screaming. All of these have been staples of hardcore.

What is hardcore? Do we have to say that it's Bad Brains or Minor Threat? Or is it the very poppy bands on Bridge9 (which I do enjoy, BTW)? Is it Four Year Strong? Is it grindcore styled bands like The Number 12 Looks Like You?

My point being, where are you going with this? It's completely ignorant. Quit ripping other people for not following meaningless subgenres, and don't disrespect great artists like the Blood Brothers or Refused - who by the way, seem to define hardcore for me. So basically, quit being a giant piece of shit and bringing an already terrible thread to an all time low.

[You Won't Know]

Shut up. Holier than thou because I'm "being open minded" is played out. Especially on this site. Do you REALLY know what hardcore is? Do any of us care if anyone in this thread REALLY knows what hardcore is? Hardcore, for the most part, doesn't even exist on this site. This coming from the guy who said that Bridge 9 has the only hardcore bands worth listening to.


Bolded statement proves the fact that you know nothing about actually being creative or a talented musician. Average band at best.

It's great to hear that coming from the all-knowing god of music. I stand corrected.

What's the best hardcore band/vocalist? Please, enlighten me. I am desperate to know.

[ThemChains]

iwBZDlOaP0Q&feature=PlayList&p=604B44967265FA31&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=13
BfG1bVJR7mg

[superBMRuth]

Shut up. Holier than thou because I'm "being open minded" is played out. Especially on this site. Do you REALLY know what hardcore is? Do any of us care if anyone in this thread REALLY knows what hardcore is? Hardcore, for the most part, doesn't even exist on this site. This coming from the guy who said that Bridge 9 has the only hardcore bands worth listening to.

aaaaand thanks for proving my point. also, i didn't say "only" i just said there's a lot of good bands that go by the term hardcore on that roster.

[superBMRuth]

What is hardcore? Do we have to say that it's Bad Brains or Minor Threat? Or is it the very poppy bands on Bridge9 (which I do enjoy, BTW)? Is it Four Year Strong? Is it grindcore styled bands like The Number 12 Looks Like You?

My point being, where are you going with this? It's completely ignorant. Quit ripping other people for not following meaningless subgenres, and don't disrespect great artists like the Blood Brothers or Refused - who by the way, seem to define hardcore for me. So basically, quit being a giant piece of shit and bringing an already terrible thread to an all time low.
this

[ThemChains]

aaaaand thanks for proving my point. also, i didn't say "only" i just said there's a lot of good bands that go by the term hardcore on that roster.

this

What even was your point? And how did I prove it? Learn to multi-quote.

[ThemChains]

<--- Not your bro.

[superBMRuth]

What even was your point? And how did I prove it? Learn to multi-quote.
my point about guys like you who think they know everything about music and dismiss opinions of others because YOU don't agree.

[ThemChains]

Most of the bands in this thread are not hardcore bands. Fact.


Not dismissing opinions, just calling a spade a spade.

[You Won't Know]

iwBZDlOaP0Q&feature=PlayList&p=604B44967265FA31&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=13
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Hey man, these bands are pretty good. I enjoy it and I'll check them out. In the very narrow definition of hardcore punk, I'm sure this fits and seriously, I'm digging it.

But there's so many other bands that are creative. And it's pretty obvious you have NOT listened to Glassjaw. Starting with a bassist who works as a high quality studio musician, not just for Saves the Day, but with a highly respected industry background and ending with the experimentation on songs like Two Tabs of Mescaline, the Gillette Cavalcade of Sports, the sick double bass effect on a single pedal at the beginning of Mu Empire, and the avant garde poetry of Oxycodone. I am not an accomplished musician by any stretch, but I've taken some music theory classes, and the professor specifically pointed to some Glassjaw songs as innovative among modern bands. Not saying this validates everything, but if a fucking professor whose whole life is music loves the band for their creativity, it seems like they would have some credibility. And the last thing this prof was is a scene kid.

I'm not here to say they're so great, even though I believe they are. The point being is that when you bring these other bands to my attention and then tell me Glassjaw isn't creative then YOU lose credibility.

Again, I enjoyed both bands you put up there. They're solid, for sure. But why try and attack my credibility with so little of your own? What pleasure do you get out of slamming me and others for putting some ideas and discussion out there and you just sticking to your tried and true obscure hardcore punk?

[InsmileOutblood]

BfG1bVJR7mg
The Suicide File rules. Did you watch the TIH vid where the guy air guitars on stage? Classic.

[ThemChains]

Hey man, these bands are pretty good. I enjoy it and I'll check them out. In the very narrow definition of hardcore punk, I'm sure this fits and seriously, I'm digging it.

But there's so many other bands that are creative. And it's pretty obvious you have NOT listened to Glassjaw. Starting with a bassist who works as a high quality studio musician, not just for Saves the Day, but with a highly respected industry background and ending with the experimentation on songs like Two Tabs of Mescaline, the Gillette Cavalcade of Sports, the sick double bass effect on a single pedal at the beginning of Mu Empire, and the avant garde poetry of Oxycodone. I am not an accomplished musician by any stretch, but I've taken some music theory classes, and the professor specifically pointed to some Glassjaw songs as innovative among modern bands. Not saying this validates everything, but if a fucking professor whose whole life is music loves the band for their creativity, it seems like they would have some credibility. And the last thing this prof was is a scene kid.

I'm not here to say they're so great, even though I believe they are. The point being is that when you bring these other bands to my attention and then tell me Glassjaw isn't creative then YOU lose credibility.

Again, I enjoyed both bands you put up there. They're solid, for sure. But why try and attack my credibility with so little of your own? What pleasure do you get out of slamming me and others for putting some ideas and discussion out there and you just sticking to your tried and true obscure hardcore punk?

Oh I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about hardcore bands...which you aren't if you're talking about Glassjaw. This isn't about credibility, because if it was you've already lost by referring to Glassjaw as hardcore. Also, by citing your "music theory" teacher, you are trying to validate everything, so spare me.

[shit stroll]

i wouldn't be a bit surprised if You Won't Know beats his girlfriend.

[You Won't Know]

i wouldn't be a bit surprised if You Won't Know beats his girlfriend.

I'm angry and I'm Italian, so I suppose if the shoe fits...

[ThemChains]

More bad jokes prance around this thread.

[ReadyForAction]

Keith Buckley, end of discussion

[SickOfStars]

Okay guys and gals.

I really hate to sound like a know-it-all, and I'm all for being laissez faire about music and art, letting people enjoy what makes them happy, and whatever. So, please do not misinterpret what I'm about to say as me telling you that you cannot listen to The Blood Brothers and Glassjaw and etc. Hell, I listen to both of those bands. I can't really say I enjoy The Devil Wears Prada or Chiodos or anything, but that's really neither here nor there.

To put it frankly, hardcore is a specific sound, or at least a gathering of a few specific sounds. Screaming does not equal hardcore. Heavy music does not equal hardcore. Hardcore as a music genre has nothing to do with how "hardcore" (in a non musical sense) a band is. Like, if your friend drove a flaming motorcycle off a jump over an entire city block, they would be "hardcore," but that doesn't make them a "hardcore" kid in the musical sense. Sounds condescending, but I think in a more intelligent, applicable way that's the problem a lot of people are having here.

Hardcore, as most people know, had a huge startup/bang in the 80's in America. Black Flag, Minor Threat, Bad Brains, yadda yadda.

Though it's evolved, and thanks to a lot of crossover thrash bands, had some metal influence here and there, at its heart, hardcore is a form of punk music. Hardcore will always be that. There is "metallic hardcore," (see: bands such as converge,) but even then you can hear a lot of distinguishable elements of hardcore/punk.

A lot of bands listed in here have hardcore influences, but the overall product isn't the hardcore sound. I feel that, while I can articulate myself, I don't really have the right to make a trivial list of the elements of hardcore. All I'm saying is go to wikipedia or something and look up hardcore. There may be some wrong leads and red herrings, but mostly you'll get the idea. The bands that ThemChains uploaded are pretty good showings of what hardcore sounds like from the 90's on.

And, as much as we'd all like to not get worked up about genres, and I myself look at most of society from a constructionist standpoint, hardcore is what hardcore is. It doesn't delegitimize any of the bands listed here, but hardcore is a well established genre of underground punk music. It has spawned a lot of different types of sounds, and while we recognize that things like "metalcore" and "screamo" and so on and so forth are subsects of "hardcore," they are not classified as straight up "hardcore" bands.

Hardcore itself is something that means a lot to a ton of people. It's more than just the sounds to some people, there are all sorts of values and lifestyle elements that people have dedicated themselves to in hardcore. I don't follow most of them, but have an immense amount of respect for those who do. That's why people get so uppety when one just throws around the word.

So, before you get defensive when someone corrects you, stop to think that maybe you could learn something from the person, rather than just go on the defense and assume you know what the fuck you're talking about always. If I always thought I knew what I was talking about, I wouldn't know anything that I know today. I've seen too often Say Anything's "Admit It!!!" used as leverage for not listening to anyone else about anything. I find this terribly depressing. I agree, no one should take a shit on you for what you enjoy, but awareness of what you're enjoying and not enjoying is important. If you have the opportunity to learn about music, or at least someone else's view, why wouldn't you take that opportunity???

Also, just to nitpick, implying that someone has not heard Glassjaw on this site (unless they are just a standard P!ATD fan...and even then) seems kind of absurd. Everyone and their mom has heard Glassjaw. Nothing against the poster, just saying that it could be kind of interpreted as a form of mockery.

[superBMRuth]

/thread

[SickOfStars]

/thread

did I kill the thread that bad hahaha?

[doritoz]

Dennis Lyxzen

[ThemChains]

did I kill the thread that bad hahaha?

No you didn't, you're absolutely right. But then again, I've never listened to Glassjaw and I don't know what hardcore is. I'm too bent up on labels and genres. Obvi, breaux.

[wewascontenders]

kill't.

[Wobbie]

I totally have hardcore love for Bob.

[superBMRuth]

did I kill the thread that bad hahaha?
no, your post was finally a good, thought out, well-written argument. it's a good thing.

[PunksNotDead!]

Okay guys and gals.

I really hate to sound like a know-it-all, and I'm all for being laissez faire about music and art, letting people enjoy what makes them happy, and whatever. So, please do not misinterpret what I'm about to say as me telling you that you cannot listen to The Blood Brothers and Glassjaw and etc. Hell, I listen to both of those bands. I can't really say I enjoy The Devil Wears Prada or Chiodos or anything, but that's really neither here nor there.

To put it frankly, hardcore is a specific sound, or at least a gathering of a few specific sounds. Screaming does not equal hardcore. Heavy music does not equal hardcore. Hardcore as a music genre has nothing to do with how "hardcore" (in a non musical sense) a band is. Like, if your friend drove a flaming motorcycle off a jump over an entire city block, they would be "hardcore," but that doesn't make them a "hardcore" kid in the musical sense. Sounds condescending, but I think in a more intelligent, applicable way that's the problem a lot of people are having here.

Hardcore, as most people know, had a huge startup/bang in the 80's in America. Black Flag, Minor Threat, Bad Brains, yadda yadda.

Though it's evolved, and thanks to a lot of crossover thrash bands, had some metal influence here and there, at its heart, hardcore is a form of punk music. Hardcore will always be that. There is "metallic hardcore," (see: bands such as converge,) but even then you can hear a lot of distinguishable elements of hardcore/punk.

A lot of bands listed in here have hardcore influences, but the overall product isn't the hardcore sound. I feel that, while I can articulate myself, I don't really have the right to make a trivial list of the elements of hardcore. All I'm saying is go to wikipedia or something and look up hardcore. There may be some wrong leads and red herrings, but mostly you'll get the idea. The bands that ThemChains uploaded are pretty good showings of what hardcore sounds like from the 90's on.

And, as much as we'd all like to not get worked up about genres, and I myself look at most of society from a constructionist standpoint, hardcore is what hardcore is. It doesn't delegitimize any of the bands listed here, but hardcore is a well established genre of underground punk music. It has spawned a lot of different types of sounds, and while we recognize that things like "metalcore" and "screamo" and so on and so forth are subsects of "hardcore," they are not classified as straight up "hardcore" bands.

Hardcore itself is something that means a lot to a ton of people. It's more than just the sounds to some people, there are all sorts of values and lifestyle elements that people have dedicated themselves to in hardcore. I don't follow most of them, but have an immense amount of respect for those who do. That's why people get so uppety when one just throws around the word.

So, before you get defensive when someone corrects you, stop to think that maybe you could learn something from the person, rather than just go on the defense and assume you know what the fuck you're talking about always. If I always thought I knew what I was talking about, I wouldn't know anything that I know today. I've seen too often Say Anything's "Admit It!!!" used as leverage for not listening to anyone else about anything. I find this terribly depressing. I agree, no one should take a shit on you for what you enjoy, but awareness of what you're enjoying and not enjoying is important. If you have the opportunity to learn about music, or at least someone else's view, why wouldn't you take that opportunity???

Also, just to nitpick, implying that someone has not heard Glassjaw on this site (unless they are just a standard P!ATD fan...and even then) seems kind of absurd. Everyone and their mom has heard Glassjaw. Nothing against the poster, just saying that it could be kind of interpreted as a form of mockery.
thank you good sir

[Jali]

Michael Jackson

[SickOfStars]

No you didn't, you're absolutely right. But then again, I've never listened to Glassjaw and I don't know what hardcore is. I'm too bent up on labels and genres. Obvi, breaux.

I totally have hardcore love for Bob.

no, your post was finally a good, thought out, well-written argument. it's a good thing.

thank you good sir

<333

[xJesusFreakx]

Okay guys and gals.

I really hate to sound like a know-it-all, and I'm all for being laissez faire about music and art, letting people enjoy what makes them happy, and whatever. So, please do not misinterpret what I'm about to say as me telling you that you cannot listen to The Blood Brothers and Glassjaw and etc. Hell, I listen to both of those bands. I can't really say I enjoy The Devil Wears Prada or Chiodos or anything, but that's really neither here nor there.

To put it frankly, hardcore is a specific sound, or at least a gathering of a few specific sounds. Screaming does not equal hardcore. Heavy music does not equal hardcore. Hardcore as a music genre has nothing to do with how "hardcore" (in a non musical sense) a band is. Like, if your friend drove a flaming motorcycle off a jump over an entire city block, they would be "hardcore," but that doesn't make them a "hardcore" kid in the musical sense. Sounds condescending, but I think in a more intelligent, applicable way that's the problem a lot of people are having here.

Hardcore, as most people know, had a huge startup/bang in the 80's in America. Black Flag, Minor Threat, Bad Brains, yadda yadda.

Though it's evolved, and thanks to a lot of crossover thrash bands, had some metal influence here and there, at its heart, hardcore is a form of punk music. Hardcore will always be that. There is "metallic hardcore," (see: bands such as converge,) but even then you can hear a lot of distinguishable elements of hardcore/punk.

A lot of bands listed in here have hardcore influences, but the overall product isn't the hardcore sound. I feel that, while I can articulate myself, I don't really have the right to make a trivial list of the elements of hardcore. All I'm saying is go to wikipedia or something and look up hardcore. There may be some wrong leads and red herrings, but mostly you'll get the idea. The bands that ThemChains uploaded are pretty good showings of what hardcore sounds like from the 90's on.

And, as much as we'd all like to not get worked up about genres, and I myself look at most of society from a constructionist standpoint, hardcore is what hardcore is. It doesn't delegitimize any of the bands listed here, but hardcore is a well established genre of underground punk music. It has spawned a lot of different types of sounds, and while we recognize that things like "metalcore" and "screamo" and so on and so forth are subsects of "hardcore," they are not classified as straight up "hardcore" bands.

Hardcore itself is something that means a lot to a ton of people. It's more than just the sounds to some people, there are all sorts of values and lifestyle elements that people have dedicated themselves to in hardcore. I don't follow most of them, but have an immense amount of respect for those who do. That's why people get so uppety when one just throws around the word.

So, before you get defensive when someone corrects you, stop to think that maybe you could learn something from the person, rather than just go on the defense and assume you know what the fuck you're talking about always. If I always thought I knew what I was talking about, I wouldn't know anything that I know today. I've seen too often Say Anything's "Admit It!!!" used as leverage for not listening to anyone else about anything. I find this terribly depressing. I agree, no one should take a shit on you for what you enjoy, but awareness of what you're enjoying and not enjoying is important. If you have the opportunity to learn about music, or at least someone else's view, why wouldn't you take that opportunity???

Also, just to nitpick, implying that someone has not heard Glassjaw on this site (unless they are just a standard P!ATD fan...and even then) seems kind of absurd. Everyone and their mom has heard Glassjaw. Nothing against the poster, just saying that it could be kind of interpreted as a form of mockery.

This whole thing is excellent, but I really like the parts that I bolded. People act as if saying that a band isn't "hardcore" is an insult. You might as well be getting worked up about something not being hip hop or folk. It's a genre name, not a ranking. Also, I definitely agree with this: "awareness of what you're enjoying and not enjoying is important." Genres exist to categorize bands based on similar sounds and styles, which is a good thing; it makes finding other bands you may enjoy easier (in theory, of course).

[mht]

God you suck. Glassjaw is as pussy and scene as you can get? I think my head is going to fucking explode.

You ever heard "You Think You're John Fuckin' Lennon"? "Motel of the White Locust"? "Hurting and Shoving?" "Stuck Pig?" The entire EYEWTKAS album?

Besides the fact that they are some of the most creative and proficient musicians in any genre, let alone 'hardcore' or whatever it may be.

Whatever, this thread sucks so much dick Jeffree Star would be jealous.


lol

The Blood Brothers aren't hardcore? Seems like they embody everything you could ask about hardcore - a DIY attitude, hard touring lifestyle, straight edge aesthetic, extremely heavy and fast music with abrasive screaming. All of these have been staples of hardcore.

What is hardcore? Do we have to say that it's Bad Brains or Minor Threat? Or is it the very poppy bands on Bridge9 (which I do enjoy, BTW)? Is it Four Year Strong? Is it grindcore styled bands like The Number 12 Looks Like You?

My point being, where are you going with this? It's completely ignorant. Quit ripping other people for not following meaningless subgenres, and don't disrespect great artists like the Blood Brothers or Refused - who by the way, seem to define hardcore for me. So basically, quit being a giant piece of shit and bringing an already terrible thread to an all time low.




and lol

[mht]

what some of these fucking idiots fail to understand is, there are plenty of bands that pride themselves on being a "hardcore" band or "hardcore ethics," having bands bastardize hardcore coupled with a delusional fanbase that then thinks they know what hardcore is leaves a whole giant inaccuracy on the genre. I hate to be that guy but you can easily pick out a scenester that has no clue when he is saying The Get Up Kids is an emo band, Blood Brothers are a hardcore band and the #12 Looks Like You is a grindcore band. Think about how badly that kid has been lead down an inaccurate path of gimmick bullshit.

[mht]

i also dont care if people listen to a band, if thats what you like enjoy it. but at least have the ability to do accurate research if you like the band and don't be a fucking homer about it. It would be like me saying The LA Lakers are the best NFL team. That's what half the responses in this thread are like.

[love_american_style]

why do these threads keep getting made when it's a known fact that anyone who doesn't say Jacob Bannon will get struck down with the AIDS virus?

this.

[ThemChains]

what some of these fucking idiots fail to understand is, there are plenty of bands that pride themselves on being a "hardcore" band or "hardcore ethics," having bands bastardize hardcore coupled with a delusional fanbase that then thinks they know what hardcore is leaves a whole giant inaccuracy on the genre. I hate to be that guy but you can easily pick out a scenester that has no clue when he is saying The Get Up Kids is an emo band, Blood Brothers are a hardcore band and the #12 Looks Like You is a grindcore band. Think about how badly that kid has been lead down an inaccurate path of gimmick bullshit.

i also dont care if people listen to a band, if thats what you like enjoy it. but at least have the ability to do accurate research if you like the band and don't be a fucking homer about it. It would be like me saying The LA Lakers are the best NFL team. That's what half the responses in this thread are like.

Both of these are hitting the nail on the head. Everyone in this thread is going to continue to pigeonhole us as elitist assholes and think we are completely disregarding their opinion. Only pussies complain about elitism.

[mht]

Both of these are hitting the nail on the head. Everyone in this thread is going to continue to pigeonhole us as elitist assholes and think we are completely disregarding their opinion. Only pussies complain about elitism.


i wonder if these same kids would go into a World War 2 thread saying the Nazis won, because that's what this is like.

[ThemChains]

i wonder if these same kids would go into a World War 2 thread saying the Nazis won, because that's what this is like.

lol.

Dingles are as dingles do.

[xjdizzle]

First off, both Vanna and It Dies Today are the same thing, they both whine about their girlfriend problems non-stop on their gimmick metalcore records. Just because they have half assed breakdowns, that doesn't mean their lyrical content are any different. Second off, being on Ozzfest is no fucking achievement. Ozzfest is one of the worst tours out there, there's a reason why many credible metal bands stay away from it. It treats artist like shit and overcharges people for bland music. Hell, not even Ozzy wants to do it anymore, so that should be a sign to how bad it is. Also, you say that "emo" bands don't get on Ozzfest, but yet last time I checked, Atreyu was on there as well so I'm pretty sure that defeats that point. Face it, you can argue your point until you are blue in the face, it won't change that you honestly have no fucking idea of what you are talking about and if anything, you're just another naive kid who found some generic horseshit like Vanna or It Dies Today and feels that gives him the given right to declare, incorrectly I might add, what is "emo" and what is not. Oh and food for thought, next time when you call out a band like Chiodos for being "emo" as you put it, don't list bands in your favorite band list like Hawthorne Heights, Bullet For My Valentine, AFI, Silverstein, From First To Last, Dashboard Confessional, and Armor for Sleep, you know bands that are that are given that same incorrect term? Hell, it doesn't help when you list the band you are insulting either.


Haha to your attention im not a kid and im older than you im 24. I wasnt calling out Chiodos. I know what they are and yea i listen to them.I like expanding to diffeent types of bands.I cant listen to the same shit every day.They can be whiny at times but have alot of weird beats and riffs that sound awsome.
I never said they sucked .But they are have nothing in their music or sound that has hardcore characteristics or that Craig Owens is a hardcore vocalist. Hes not . Chiodos is a mixture of whatever the fuck they call emo now and post hardcore and sound like The Blood Brothers a little.I didnt say getting on ozzfest is an achievement . Its mostly metal bands ,metal core etc, wahatever that get on there . Theres bands on it i like and some that i dont big deal.And thats what It dies today is.Not all their songs are about relationship problems So your pretty wrong about blindly judging them if your gono put it that way.
If u even took the time to listen to the lyrycs on diffrent topics. As for breakdowns theres not standard on how they have to be done.It doesnt take an expert to play one.Stop thinking your some fuckin music genious because u listen to Alot older bands in hardcore or watever .
i like the bands i like and i listen to a wide variety and i dont give a fuck what anyone else thinks. I was just listing who i think in my opinion was the best at what they do.I didnt say It dies Today and Vanna are the best hardcore bands ever . Converge isnt a generic band . Refused was one of the first bands ive heard in the hardcore genre. Theres way too many variations of styles in Hardcore labeled bands.Its a neverending argument.So no matter what the hell would be your opinion its just yours only not everyone elses. I think your taking Absolutepunk way to seriously .If arguing music had a career in that be cool but it doesnt .And honestly i dont really care.The thread was pointless to begin with.But i never said something like Taking Back Sunday is the best hardcore band.

[SickOfStars]

i also dont care if people listen to a band, if thats what you like enjoy it. but at least have the ability to do accurate research if you like the band and don't be a fucking homer about it. It would be like me saying The LA Lakers are the best NFL team. That's what half the responses in this thread are like.

what some of these fucking idiots fail to understand is, there are plenty of bands that pride themselves on being a "hardcore" band or "hardcore ethics," having bands bastardize hardcore coupled with a delusional fanbase that then thinks they know what hardcore is leaves a whole giant inaccuracy on the genre. I hate to be that guy but you can easily pick out a scenester that has no clue when he is saying The Get Up Kids is an emo band, Blood Brothers are a hardcore band and the #12 Looks Like You is a grindcore band. Think about how badly that kid has been lead down an inaccurate path of gimmick bullshit.

lol this is basically the pissed off version of what I'm saying. love you.

[xjdizzle]

To the idiots who think You need to List only 80s or 90s Hardcore-Punk bands .Your full of shit and need to get a life tring to boost your self self esteem on Absolutepunk.i agree if your gono list bands from a totally diffrent scene or genre as Best hardcore band or watever.Its pretty stupid.
But theres no set formula on hardcore its a fucking subgenre- a mixture of genres. The only pure genres related that hardcore derives from Are Punk and Metal. Thats why it has such a broad variety and can be expiremented upon. Its like a fucking cheesborger

[summer skin]

To the idiots who think You need to List only 80s or 90s Hardcore-Punk bands .Your full of shit and need to get a life tring to boost your self self esteem on Absolutepunk.i agree if your gono list bands from a totally diffrent scene or genre as Best hardcore band or watever.Its pretty stupid.
But theres no set formula on hardcore its a fucking subgenre- a mixture of genres. The only pure genres related that hardcore derives from Are Punk and Metal. Thats why it has such a broad variety and can be expiremented upon. Its like a fucking cheesborger
Did you seriously just say that hardcore was derived from fucking metal? Are you that fucking god damned moronic? Jesuscumongod'sfaceChrist.

[secthagoals626]

To the idiots who think You need to List only 80s or 90s Hardcore-Punk bands .Your full of shit and need to get a life tring to boost your self self esteem on Absolutepunk.i agree if your gono list bands from a totally diffrent scene or genre as Best hardcore band or watever.Its pretty stupid.
But theres no set formula on hardcore its a fucking subgenre- a mixture of genres. The only pure genres related that hardcore derives from Are Punk and Metal. Thats why it has such a broad variety and can be expiremented upon. Its like a fucking cheesborger
lol cheesborger

[holyballs]

Civ or aaron from Bane are my favourites

[KBell]

clean - craig owen i agree... but i love him... cant wait to see him on 1st Sep... yay

[Regards]

Okay guys and gals.

I really hate to sound like a know-it-all, and I'm all for being laissez faire about music and art, letting people enjoy what makes them happy, and whatever. So, please do not misinterpret what I'm about to say as me telling you that you cannot listen to The Blood Brothers and Glassjaw and etc. Hell, I listen to both of those bands. I can't really say I enjoy The Devil Wears Prada or Chiodos or anything, but that's really neither here nor there.

To put it frankly, hardcore is a specific sound, or at least a gathering of a few specific sounds. Screaming does not equal hardcore. Heavy music does not equal hardcore. Hardcore as a music genre has nothing to do with how "hardcore" (in a non musical sense) a band is. Like, if your friend drove a flaming motorcycle off a jump over an entire city block, they would be "hardcore," but that doesn't make them a "hardcore" kid in the musical sense. Sounds condescending, but I think in a more intelligent, applicable way that's the problem a lot of people are having here.

Hardcore, as most people know, had a huge startup/bang in the 80's in America. Black Flag, Minor Threat, Bad Brains, yadda yadda.

Though it's evolved, and thanks to a lot of crossover thrash bands, had some metal influence here and there, at its heart, hardcore is a form of punk music. Hardcore will always be that. There is "metallic hardcore," (see: bands such as converge,) but even then you can hear a lot of distinguishable elements of hardcore/punk.

A lot of bands listed in here have hardcore influences, but the overall product isn't the hardcore sound. I feel that, while I can articulate myself, I don't really have the right to make a trivial list of the elements of hardcore. All I'm saying is go to wikipedia or something and look up hardcore. There may be some wrong leads and red herrings, but mostly you'll get the idea. The bands that ThemChains uploaded are pretty good showings of what hardcore sounds like from the 90's on.

And, as much as we'd all like to not get worked up about genres, and I myself look at most of society from a constructionist standpoint, hardcore is what hardcore is. It doesn't delegitimize any of the bands listed here, but hardcore is a well established genre of underground punk music. It has spawned a lot of different types of sounds, and while we recognize that things like "metalcore" and "screamo" and so on and so forth are subsects of "hardcore," they are not classified as straight up "hardcore" bands.

Hardcore itself is something that means a lot to a ton of people. It's more than just the sounds to some people, there are all sorts of values and lifestyle elements that people have dedicated themselves to in hardcore. I don't follow most of them, but have an immense amount of respect for those who do. That's why people get so uppety when one just throws around the word.

So, before you get defensive when someone corrects you, stop to think that maybe you could learn something from the person, rather than just go on the defense and assume you know what the fuck you're talking about always. If I always thought I knew what I was talking about, I wouldn't know anything that I know today. I've seen too often Say Anything's "Admit It!!!" used as leverage for not listening to anyone else about anything. I find this terribly depressing. I agree, no one should take a shit on you for what you enjoy, but awareness of what you're enjoying and not enjoying is important. If you have the opportunity to learn about music, or at least someone else's view, why wouldn't you take that opportunity???

Also, just to nitpick, implying that someone has not heard Glassjaw on this site (unless they are just a standard P!ATD fan...and even then) seems kind of absurd. Everyone and their mom has heard Glassjaw. Nothing against the poster, just saying that it could be kind of interpreted as a form of mockery.
Bob wins at these threads. Every single time.

[You Won't Know]

Okay guys and gals.

Hardcore itself is something that means a lot to a ton of people. It's more than just the sounds to some people, there are all sorts of values and lifestyle elements that people have dedicated themselves to in hardcore. I don't follow most of them, but have an immense amount of respect for those who do. That's why people get so uppety when one just throws around the word.

So, before you get defensive when someone corrects you, stop to think that maybe you could learn something from the person, rather than just go on the defense and assume you know what the fuck you're talking about always. If I always thought I knew what I was talking about, I wouldn't know anything that I know today. I've seen too often Say Anything's "Admit It!!!" used as leverage for not listening to anyone else about anything. I find this terribly depressing. I agree, no one should take a shit on you for what you enjoy, but awareness of what you're enjoying and not enjoying is important. If you have the opportunity to learn about music, or at least someone else's view, why wouldn't you take that opportunity???

Also, just to nitpick, implying that someone has not heard Glassjaw on this site (unless they are just a standard P!ATD fan...and even then) seems kind of absurd. Everyone and their mom has heard Glassjaw. Nothing against the poster, just saying that it could be kind of interpreted as a form of mockery.

Very well-articulated and well-written argument. This I can buy into. Your point of view is a voice of reason instead of absurd putdowns.

I DID feel like other people were belittling some of the bands I mentioned. In fact, because they did belittle Glassjaw and the Blood Brothers, two bands I consider pretty innovative.

While you are right, they aren't standard hardcore, they do have those elements that are similar, and they also seem to follow the "values" and "lifestyle elements" of the hardcore scene. (Maybe more so in The Blood Brothers case - I believe at least most of the band is/were straightedge, and I know many were vegan and supported PETA and animal rights.)

For me, I have heard bands like Glassjaw, Refused and The Blood Brothers repeatedly referred to as "hardcore" the entire time I've listened to them (upwards of 6-7 years). Maybe that is not accurate based on your reasoning, but lots of publications will place them in that genre.

And I appreciate that and I understand why people could be offended by me equating a band who doesn't follow the stringent rules of hardcore as "hardcore" not "post-hardcore." I personally am not straight-edge, but I can definitely respect someone who chooses to live that lifestyle, and I should be more considerate of that.

Hell, part of the reason I follow most of the bands I'm interested in now is because these bands have a sort of non-commercial, hard-touring punk aesthetic that I can respect, as opposed to the bullshit pumping from the FM airwaves.

My point was that for the sake of this argument, we should be open minded and actually think about some of the talented vocalists out there, instead of just slamming someone for not fitting the stringent lines of the "punk hardcore" genre. Clearly, I offended some people along the way and did not succeed in getting my point across.

However, I was making a point about "listening" to Glassjaw. If that poster believes that the bands he played for me (which were good, BTW) are on a much higher level than Glassjaw musically, I feel like that is an uneducated viewpoint. I have not listened to those bands' bodies of work, which isn't fair and an important caveat, but there's nothing particularly innovative or extremely creative to me that justifies belittling some of the bands (GJ, Refused, Blood Brothers) I was suggesting were talented.

Anyways, thanks for making a logical argument in a thoughtful and intelligent way. Wish there was more of that in this forum.

[Broclee]

Subgenre doesn't necessarily mean a mixture of genres.

[ThemChains]

Very well-articulated and well-written argument. This I can buy into. Your point of view is a voice of reason instead of absurd putdowns.

I DID feel like other people were belittling some of the bands I mentioned. In fact, because they did belittle Glassjaw and the Blood Brothers, two bands I consider pretty innovative.

While you are right, they aren't standard hardcore, they do have those elements that are similar, and they also seem to follow the "values" and "lifestyle elements" of the hardcore scene. (Maybe more so in The Blood Brothers case - I believe at least most of the band is/were straightedge, and I know many were vegan and supported PETA and animal rights.)

For me, I have heard bands like Glassjaw, Refused and The Blood Brothers repeatedly referred to as "hardcore" the entire time I've listened to them (upwards of 6-7 years). Maybe that is not accurate based on your reasoning, but lots of publications will place them in that genre.

And I appreciate that and I understand why people could be offended by me equating a band who doesn't follow the stringent rules of hardcore as "hardcore" not "post-hardcore." I personally am not straight-edge, but I can definitely respect someone who chooses to live that lifestyle, and I should be more considerate of that.

Hell, part of the reason I follow most of the bands I'm interested in now is because these bands have a sort of non-commercial, hard-touring punk aesthetic that I can respect, as opposed to the bullshit pumping from the FM airwaves.

My point was that for the sake of this argument, we should be open minded and actually think about some of the talented vocalists out there, instead of just slamming someone for not fitting the stringent lines of the "punk hardcore" genre. Clearly, I offended some people along the way and did not succeed in getting my point across.

However, I was making a point about "listening" to Glassjaw. If that poster believes that the bands he played for me (which were good, BTW) are on a much higher level than Glassjaw musically, I feel like that is an uneducated viewpoint. I have not listened to those bands' bodies of work, which isn't fair and an important caveat, but there's nothing particularly innovative or extremely creative to me that justifies belittling some of the bands (GJ, Refused, Blood Brothers) I was suggesting were talented.

Anyways, thanks for making a logical argument in a thoughtful and intelligent way. Wish there was more of that in this forum.

You know what's absurd about what you're saying? The fact that you think I'm saying they are more creative or innovative than Glassjaw. A band that isn't really even that innovative or creative to begin with. I'm saying they aren't hardcore and therefore don't belong in this thread. Where we are discussing...oh, that's right. Hardcore bands. And you know what, Bob wouldn't have even posted in this thread if I hadn't talked to him about posting in it. I could go through the process of making that very same post. I'm not belittling your music, I'm merely saying where it fits, and where it doesn't. Hardcore is a limited genre, it's a very specific genre, like it or not. If you disagree, you don't know what you're talking about. Call me a dick, call me an elitist, whatever, spewing out musical theory about Glassjaw is a pretty elitist thing to do, so you live on the same tip. Count Me Out and Suicide File are hardcore bands, that's it. Good hardcore bands, with good vocals. Feel free to keep misreading my posts, putting words in my mouth, and fielding my actual points so you can continue to be butthurt about me aggressively not agreeing with your opinion.

[You Won't Know]

You know what's absurd about what you're saying? The fact that you think I'm saying they are more creative or innovative than Glassjaw. A band that isn't really even that innovative or creative to begin with. I'm saying they aren't hardcore and therefore don't belong in this thread. Where we are discussing...oh, that's right. Hardcore bands. And you know what, Bob wouldn't have even posted in this thread if I hadn't talked to him about posting in it. I could go through the process of making that very same post. I'm not belittling your music, I'm merely saying where it fits, and where it doesn't. Hardcore is a limited genre, it's a very specific genre, like it or not. If you disagree, you don't know what you're talking about. Call me a dick, call me an elitist, whatever, spewing out musical theory about Glassjaw is a pretty elitist thing to do, so you live on the same tip. Count Me Out and Suicide File are hardcore bands, that's it. Good hardcore bands, with good vocals. Feel free to keep misreading my posts, putting words in my mouth, and fielding my actual points so you can continue to be butthurt about me aggressively not agreeing with your opinion.

Point taken.

I misunderstood some of your points. I'm sorry.

Thanks for taking the time to try and explain it.

(And no, this post is not sarcastic.)

[mht]

just because someone is vegan, straight edge, supports PETA and tours in a fucking van does not automatically mean their band is a hardcore band. Those things have nothing to do with the music and are more so personal choices.

[summer skin]

yeah glassjaw is hella prog brah

[anthonydarko]

Haha to your attention im not a kid and im older than you im 24. I wasnt calling out Chiodos. I know what they are and yea i listen to them.I like expanding to diffeent types of bands.I cant listen to the same shit every day.They can be whiny at times but have alot of weird beats and riffs that sound awsome.
I never said they sucked .But they are have nothing in their music or sound that has hardcore characteristics or that Craig Owens is a hardcore vocalist. Hes not . Chiodos is a mixture of whatever the fuck they call emo now and post hardcore and sound like The Blood Brothers a little.I didnt say getting on ozzfest is an achievement . Its mostly metal bands ,metal core etc, wahatever that get on there . Theres bands on it i like and some that i dont big deal.And thats what It dies today is.Not all their songs are about relationship problems So your pretty wrong about blindly judging them if your gono put it that way.
If u even took the time to listen to the lyrycs on diffrent topics. As for breakdowns theres not standard on how they have to be done.It doesnt take an expert to play one.Stop thinking your some fuckin music genious because u listen to Alot older bands in hardcore or watever .
i like the bands i like and i listen to a wide variety and i dont give a fuck what anyone else thinks. I was just listing who i think in my opinion was the best at what they do.I didnt say It dies Today and Vanna are the best hardcore bands ever . Converge isnt a generic band . Refused was one of the first bands ive heard in the hardcore genre. Theres way too many variations of styles in Hardcore labeled bands.Its a neverending argument.So no matter what the hell would be your opinion its just yours only not everyone elses. I think your taking Absolutepunk way to seriously .If arguing music had a career in that be cool but it doesnt .And honestly i dont really care.The thread was pointless to begin with.But i never said something like Taking Back Sunday is the best hardcore band.
The only pure genres related that hardcore derives from Are Punk and Metal. This pretty much kills any point you're going to make right there. Have fun thinking whatever you want.

[wewascontenders]

head autimatica was better.

[SickOfStars]

just because someone is vegan, straight edge, supports PETA and tours in a fucking van does not automatically mean their band is a hardcore band. Those things have nothing to do with the music and are more so personal choices.

exactly. sounds first, culture later.

[mht]

i'm wondering why these users aren't posting in the HARDCORE OFFICIAL THREAD that gets bumped right next to this thread if they think The Blood Brothers and Glassjaw and The Devil Wears Prada and The Ghost Inside are prominent hardcore bands. Post about those bands in that thread then to prompt a discussion, why stear clear of the thread? See how well it goes over... I mean, does that make every user in the hardcore thread an elitist when they let these goons down easy that their musical outlook is one big inaccurate gaping vagina?

[ThemChains]

Point taken.

I misunderstood some of your points. I'm sorry.

Thanks for taking the time to try and explain it.

(And no, this post is not sarcastic.)
Cool...just because someone is an aggressive poster doesn't mean they are belittling you. And besides, as elitist as this may sound, which by this point, you know I give little to no fucks about, my hardcore knowledge is probably far deeper than yours. Therefore, my blood gets running a lot faster about the genre than maybe someone else's would. Take it as you will.
just because someone is vegan, straight edge, supports PETA and tours in a fucking van does not automatically mean their band is a hardcore band. Those things have nothing to do with the music and are more so personal choices.

exactly. sounds first, culture later.
A+. Even if I agree with your ethics, you can still make shit music. I'm looking at you Earth Crisis (nu metal material).
i'm wondering why these users aren't posting in the HARDCORE OFFICIAL THREAD that gets bumped right next to this thread if they think The Blood Brothers and Glassjaw and The Devil Wears Prada and The Ghost Inside are prominent hardcore bands. Post about those bands in that thread then to prompt a discussion, why stear clear of the thread? See how well it goes over... I mean, does that make every user in the hardcore thread an elitist when they let these goons down easy that their musical outlook is one big inaccurate gaping vagina?
That thread needs more posters, so stop being ham wallets and start getting your post on in there. It's much more cordial than most people think.

[Drown_The_City]

CHADDD GILBERT
end story or thread

[ThemChains]

lol

[ThisIsNotDan]

this fucking thread is still going? jesus christ

[ThemChains]

this fucking thread is still going? jesus christ

It's entertaining and there still seems to be something to talk about.

[ThisIsNotDan]

It's entertaining and there still seems to be something to talk about.

haven't looked at the last few pages, I think I stopped when I read that one dude mention the dude from Emmure as a good vocalist haha

[ThemChains]

haven't looked at the last few pages, I think I stopped when I read that one dude mention the dude from Emmure as a good vocalist haha

Let me bring you up to speed...Mike and I give an aggressive lesson on how Glassjaw and Blood Brothers are not hardcore bands. Kids attempt shitting on us for being elitist assholes and dismissing their opinions, which in this case, happen to be factually incorrect. Bob comes in and says exactly what Mike and I were saying but he says it nicely, therefore they listen to him and "totally agree with this awesome and well thought out post". Moral of the story, people can't handle being spoken to in a manner that isn't soothing them over like their mommy does with some warm milk at bedtime to keep the ghosts out.

[ThisIsNotDan]

Let me bring you up to speed...Mike and I give an aggressive lesson on how Glassjaw and Blood Brothers are not hardcore bands. Kids attempt shitting on us for being elitist assholes and dismissing their opinions, which in this case, happen to be factually incorrect. Bob comes in and says exactly what Mike and I were saying but he says it nicely, therefore they listen to him and "totally agree with this awesome and well thought out post". Moral of the story, people can't handle being spoken to in a manner that isn't soothing them over like their mommy does with some warm milk at bedtime to keep the ghosts out.

got it. had a feeling it would play out similar to that

[THE_SICKEST]

I'd Jeff Poison The Well is my favorite hardcore vocalist all around... His screams have always been fucking mean!

Karl from Misery Signals is a close second. Screaming, not singing.

[ThemChains]

I'd Jeff Poison The Well is my favorite hardcore vocalist all around... His screams have always been fucking mean!

Karl from Misery Signals is a close second. Screaming, not singing.

Eh, both are medio"core" at best in my opionion.

[Regards]

Where's the slap forehead smiley when you need it? I always forget what it is.

[ThisIsNotDan]

I'd Jeff Poison The Well is my favorite hardcore vocalist all around... His screams have always been fucking mean!

Karl from Misery Signals is a close second. Screaming, not singing.

I like both vocalists but again, wouldn't call em hardcore

[SwiftSilentDead]

Jeffrey Eaton and Jacob Bannon are my favorites.

[Broclee]

Eh, both are medio"core" at best in my opionion.

http://dennisjudd.com/albums/funpics/fry.sized.jpg

[everyonesfault]

The answer is Jeffrey Eaton, Jacob Bannon, Pink Eyes, Ian MacKaye, and Rollins.

[ThemChains]

Where's the slap forehead smiley when you need it? I always forget what it is.

In regards to my awesome joke.

[wewascontenders]

Let me bring you up to speed...Mike and I give an aggressive lesson on how Glassjaw and Blood Brothers are not hardcore bands. Kids attempt shitting on us for being elitist assholes and dismissing their opinions, which in this case, happen to be factually incorrect. Bob comes in and says exactly what Mike and I were saying but he says it nicely, therefore they listen to him and "totally agree with this awesome and well thought out post". Moral of the story, people can't handle being spoken to in a manner that isn't soothing them over like their mommy does with some warm milk at bedtime to keep the ghosts out.

ahahaha this seems to be the way all these arguments end up.

[ThemChains]

ahahaha this seems to be the way all these arguments end up.

Bob; AP's mom serving warm milk and speaking in a sooting tone at bedtime to keep the ghosts out. A fitting title.

[mht]

i'd love to hang out with Bob in real life, he would be the that passive guy in the group with the voice of reason that goes well with the bullheaded irrational thinker like myself. he would be a great compliment. best friend material

[ihavechappedlip]

I think Kenny Chesney is the best screamer, but I've always thought Jason Aldean had the bigger pipes.

[SickOfStars]

i'd love to hang out with Bob in real life, he would be the that passive guy in the group with the voice of reason that goes well with the bullheaded irrational thinker like myself. he would be a great compliment. best friend material

<3

[ThemChains]

i'd love to hang out with Bob in real life, he would be the that passive guy in the group with the voice of reason that goes well with the bullheaded irrational thinker like myself. he would be a great compliment. best friend material

Well I'm about to fuck you up with some truth: Bob Pearsall will be arriving in Richmond on October 9th. He will be departing with John Ziol to Pennsylvania on the morning of October 10th. Much fun will be had. Both of them will be staying in Pennsylvania overnight to return to Virginia on Sunday in the AM. Get into it.

[SickOfStars]

I can vouch for this. That is the plan.

[ThisIsNotDan]

Bob; AP's mom serving warm milk and speaking in a sooting tone at bedtime to keep the ghosts out. A fitting title.

he's like you and Mike's PR spokesman or whatever

[ThemChains]

he's like you and Mike's PR spokesman or whatever

He's my Penis Road-dog, you are correct.

[BiancaRose]

I enjoy the vocals of: Henry Rollins, Lou Koller, Spider X Death (http://www.myspace.com/deathcagesydney)... that's all that come to mind right now.

[xjdizzle]

Did you seriously just say that hardcore was derived from fucking metal? Are you that fucking god damned moronic? Jesuscumongod'sfaceChrist.

No thats not what i meant. Newer bands incorporate metal into their sound. And bands like Comeback Kid or This is Hell use a more traditional punk influence. There's shit like Hate breed ,Throwdown and Emmure thats more metal influenced.But metal in punk are the 2 widely used original genres in bands before and now.That's just from what ive observed.Then theres Set your goals and Four year strong theyr moe poppy but its i still hardcore because Lifetime is a huge influence to those kinda bands.

[anthonydarko]

No thats not what i meant. Newer bands incorporate metal into their sound. And bands like Comeback Kid or This is Hell use a more traditional punk influence. There's shit like Hate breed ,Throwdown and Emmure thats more metal influenced.But metal in punk are the 2 widely used original genres in bands before and now.That's just from what ive observed.Then theres Set your goals and Four year strong theyr moe poppy but its i still hardcore because Lifetime is a huge influence to those kinda bands.
Call me ignorant but what you just posted makes no sense at all.

[xJesusFreakx]

That thread needs more posters, so stop being ham wallets and start getting your post on in there. It's much more cordial than most people think.

It really is. You guys are really respectful, just as long as they don't say anything really stupid, lol.

Where's the slap forehead smiley when you need it? I always forget what it is.

:hitself: : hitself :

I usually prefer searching for an amusing "face palm" picture on Google Images and using that, though; sometimes a little emoticon just isn't enough.

[Regards]

In regards to my awesome joke.
In regards to this ridiculous thread and the posters inside of it. Your joke was pretty pun-tastic though, so yeah, that works as well.
It really is. You guys are really respectful, just as long as they don't say anything really stupid, lol.



:hitself: : hitself :

I usually prefer searching for an amusing "face palm" picture on Google Images and using that, though; sometimes a little emoticon just isn't enough.
You always pull through for me. Danka

[ThemChains]

Thanks Kris.

No thats not what i meant. Newer bands incorporate metal into their sound. And bands like Comeback Kid or This is Hell use a more traditional punk influence. There's shit like Hate breed ,Throwdown and Emmure thats more metal influenced.But metal in punk are the 2 widely used original genres in bands before and now.That's just from what ive observed.Then theres Set your goals and Four year strong theyr moe poppy but its i still hardcore because Lifetime is a huge influence to those kinda bands.

lol.

[williek311]

No thats not what i meant. Newer bands incorporate metal into their sound. And bands like Comeback Kid or This is Hell use a more traditional punk influence. There's shit like Hate breed ,Throwdown and Emmure thats more metal influenced.But metal in punk are the 2 widely used original genres in bands before and now.That's just from what ive observed.Then theres Set your goals and Four year strong theyr moe poppy but its i still hardcore because Lifetime is a huge influence to those kinda bands.
I can't believe I just read that last sentence.

[mht]

going to name my band: "theyr moe poppy"

[shit stroll]

going to name my band: "theyr moe poppy"

lol

[summer skin]

No thats not what i meant. Newer bands incorporate metal into their sound. And bands like Comeback Kid or This is Hell use a more traditional punk influence. There's shit like Hate breed ,Throwdown and Emmure thats more metal influenced.But metal in punk are the 2 widely used original genres in bands before and now.That's just from what ive observed.Then theres Set your goals and Four year strong theyr moe poppy but its i still hardcore because Lifetime is a huge influence to those kinda bands.
What fucking drugs did you break edge for? because the only way someone could be this god damned stupid is if they were on some form of super crack. Where did you get super crack and can you send me some?

[everyonesfault]

No thats not what i meant. Newer bands incorporate metal into their sound. And bands like Comeback Kid or This is Hell use a more traditional punk influence. There's shit like Hate breed ,Throwdown and Emmure thats more metal influenced.But metal in punk are the 2 widely used original genres in bands before and now.That's just from what ive observed.Then theres Set your goals and Four year strong theyr moe poppy but its i still hardcore because Lifetime is a huge influence to those kinda bands.
Lifetime are a hardcore band? Never realized that.

[ThemChains]

going to name my band: "theyr moe poppy"


Newest meme.

[ThisIsNotDan]

Set Your Goals and Emmure are hardcore bands? shit I gotta brush up on my genres I guess

[fueledbyerin]

HAS anyone here even thought of Apocalyptica? I mean really, those guys are AWESOME!

[ThemChains]

HAS anyone here even thought of Apocalyptica? I mean really, those guys are AWESOME!

Just stop posting now, before I make your internet existence a living hell.

[Laburnum]

dude out of have heart

[fueledbyerin]

Just stop posting now, before I make your internet existence a living hell.


seriously. They're Finnish. They're violinists. And they've collaborated with adam Gontiar AND the guy from Disturbed.


What is wrong with them?

[ThemChains]

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d114/DoodxFun/THEYRMOEPOPPY.jpg

[ThemChains]

seriously. They're Finnish. They're violinists. And they've collaborated with adam Gontiar AND the guy from Disturbed.


What is wrong with them?

No, no...please, keep going.


You are raising new and interesting points that I've never heard of before on this site, or anywhere. Wait...no, I feel like I've heard this before. Oh, yea, uneducated miscreant jumps into thread in an attempt to add to a conversation. When in all reality, they are completely ignorant of what is being talked about. Apocalyptica=/=hardcore. Finnish=/=hardcore. Adam Gontiar and the guy from Disturbed =/=hardcore. Everything is wrong with them, they're dingles.

[fueledbyerin]

dude you called me a miscreant. lol. i love that word.

Hardcore douche decides to call people out on what music they like in attempts to look smart musically.

Seriously. lol. story of my life.

i really dont see why you care.

[ThisIsNotDan]

http://www.dansdata.com/images/blog/moe/moe.gif
http://www.paradoxplace.com/Perspectives/Italian%20Images/images/Tuscan%20Country/Poppy_Images/750/Poppy-May04-D0054sAR800.jpg

[ThemChains]

dude you called me a miscreant. lol. i love that word.

Hardcore douche decides to call people out on what music they like in attempts to look smart musically.

Seriously. lol. story of my life.

i really dont see why you care.

I'm only calling you out because your post has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. It's about vocalists for hardcore bands, and not only do you mention a band that isn't hardcore, they don't even have a vocalist. If it's the story of your life, maybe you should catch the hint and know what you're talking about.

[Broclee]

Aren't Apocolyptica or whatever cello players?

[SickOfStars]

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d114/DoodxFun/THEYRMOEPOPPY.jpg

holy fucking lol!

[ThemChains]

This guy, he likes my joke.

[Trashley138]

Bridge9. Don't they have Dead Swans on their roster? Love that band.

Seeing that you mentioned them right off the bat made me way stoked. They're amazing & their new stuff is just as great.


This thread is LULZ. sooooo many lulz.

[CalRahhh]

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d114/DoodxFun/THEYRMOEPOPPY.jpg

hahaha. Amazing.

[wewascontenders]

lol at this thread still going.

[fueledbyerin]

I'm only calling you out because your post has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. It's about vocalists for hardcore bands, and not only do you mention a band that isn't hardcore, they don't even have a vocalist. If it's the story of your life, maybe you should catch the hint and know what you're talking about.



holy shit im stupid as hell.


i thought it said hardocore violinist.


i cant read, i guess.

lol

[wewascontenders]

holy shit im stupid as hell.


i thought it said hardocore violinist.


i cant read, i guess.

lol

:appl:

[shit stroll]

X-)

[xjdizzle]

Hey whatever i know my spelling was awful.But the point was the 2 original genres that Hardcore bands are influennced by are punk then metal.
That was my point and hardcore was def not derived from metal.Four Year Strong is def fucking poppy .But considered hardcore by the kids who goto shows and hardcore dance to them.So idk everyone has their own conception of what Hardcore is nowadays.I think its dying just like punk is.
What the kids like now is that crunkcore garbage and Jonas borothers kinda bands with Neon colored clothes.

[dancelukedance]

Benji madden

[ThisIsNotDan]

Hey whatever i know my spelling was awful.But the point was the 2 original genres that Hardcore bands are influennced by are punk then metal.
That was my point and hardcore was def not derived from metal.Four Year Strong is def fucking poppy .But considered hardcore by the kids who goto shows and hardcore dance to them.So idk everyone has their own conception of what Hardcore is nowadays.I think its dying just like punk is.
What the kids like now is that crunkcore garbage and Jonas borothers kinda bands with Neon colored clothes.

coming from someone who has seen them twice in their hometown, I fucking hate all of those kids who do that

[GunTheVillain]

Nay, just a terrible sense of humor.

That, I can agree with.

[ThemChains]

This thread is a continual train of retarded.

[KingsCrossing]

I'd have to go with either Jacob Bannon (Converge), Keith Buckley (ETID) on LNIT and Hot Damn, or Jeffrey Eaton (Modern Life is War).

Oh and I'm not sure if this would count as "hardcore" but I'd also throw in Matt Caughthran (The Bronx) and Marc Paffi (Bear Vs. Shark).

[ThemChains]

Jacob Bannon is so far from the best hardcore vocalist.

[KingsCrossing]

Jacob Bannon is so far from the best hardcore vocalist.

Who are some of your favorites? Apologies in advance if you've already posted em.

[maxvsmaradona]

se7en LOL

I'm sorry. I'm gonna leave now.

[ThemChains]

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I posted these earlier. More as examples of what hardcore is, but these are two vocalists I'll stand by.

[KingsCrossing]

I posted these earlier. More as examples of what hardcore is, but these are two vocalists I'll stand by.

I've heard of both bands, my friend is actually a huge Suicide File fan, but I've never really given them a good listen. When I get off work I'll check them out.

[ThemChains]

Dude from Hope Conspiracy, guy from Tragedy, His Hero Is Gone, Sheer Terror. Some more favorites of mine.

[KingsCrossing]

Dude from Hope Conspiracy, guy from Tragedy, His Hero Is Gone, Sheer Terror. Some more favorites of mine.

I'll second the guy from Hope Conspiracy as well. Dude's a beast.

[thirtyfourdays]

daryl palumbo.

[mht]

Ben Cook




/thread

[williek311]

I love the dude from Swamp Things vocals

[SeamusB123]

Sam Carter of Architects....

[SeamusB123]

Mitch Lucker of Suicide Silence is good as well :)

[SeamusB123]

Sam Carter of Architects..

[kcpunk]

Oldies.
Rollins
Mackaye
Civ
Morris
HR
Biafra if you'd count him.

New.
Honor Titus (Cerebral Ballzy)
Frank Carter (Gallows)
Dennis Lyxen (Refused)
Jordan Dreyer (LD)
Jeremy Bolm (TA)
Whoever sings for Wrong Answer

[Oddman]

Lou Koller

[lucybabyy]

I don't know about the best, but I really love Chino Moreno's voice.

[Theseventhson]

Ian Mackaye, Daryl Palumbo, J. Bannon, Alex Dunne.

yikes.

[deadkidsean]

yikes.
i hope youre out of your glassjaw phase by now.

[Theseventhson]

i hope youre out of your glassjaw phase by now.

Yeah I'm not 16 & I don't hate women anymore.

[deadkidsean]

Yeah I'm not 16 & I don't hate women anymore.
good haha. mackaye will never not be a good pick though

[betweenvega]

I don't know about best, but my favorites are:

Jordan Dreyer- La Dispute
Barry Johnson- Joyce Manor
Nathan Grey - Boysetsfire

[Theseventhson]

good haha. mackaye will never not be a good pick though

Yeah, he's the one who would still be on that list.

[yayitsjoe]

joyce manor is hardcore...?

[g-mac]

I read the first post in this thread and knew it was going to be bad. I hate when people throw the term "hardcore" around with anything these days. What happened to real old school straight-up hardcore. Please don't classify those vocalists as hardcore, that's a disgrace to real hardcore.

[mht]

i still back my ben cook response

at least of my generation.

still got it. still ill
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[Regards]

Obligatory Brad Norris comment.

[williek311]

i still back my ben cook response

at least of my generation.

still got it. still ill
ldL56s817VM

Love the description

"The kid from goosebumos."

[mht]

Obligatory Brad Norris comment.


this is actually the real and only answer from long time fans of heavy music of the 00s.

[agl]

Shane Raymond (Close Your Eyes) and Jonathan Vigil (The Ghost Inside) come to mind.