hardest thrice song

[flip]

So thrice is my favorite band. I was listening to them with a friend and he not only said they suck, but also that they were terrible musicians. He claimed he could play the guitar part from any thrice song easily.

So, if you guys could help me out with:

1) Is thrice a good band technically? (specifically tepeii on guitar)

2) What is the hardest thrice song to play? Or the hardest riff from a song, etc.

Thanks, with help I hope to make this kid eat his words.

-flip

[youcomebeforeyo]

Your friend is an idiot.

If he just dismisses music straight away on listening to it then he's being ignorant.

Technically they aren't amazing but as musicians they are very skilled. Implementing the sound of a Japanese music box into the track Music Box for example. Plus they can play pretty much any time signature, if you're friend sucks at 5/8 get him to play Hoods on Peregrine. Teppei is a pretty speedy guitarist though and can write some beautiful stuff, the final riff from Don't Tell... is possibly the best thing Thrice has ever done.

On straight technical ability if you want to get him try songs from the Illusion of Safety since I don't think your friend will appreciate the subtle technicallities of any other album. Deadbolt lead guitar, The Red Death solo, So Strange I Remember You.

Hopefully you will teach him a lesson.

[ArTkY_]

I agree with the other guy, your friend is a moron.

Teppei is better than most out there. Plus he can play in just about any time signature. If your friend can play in these insane signatures, they hey, I won't say he's a moron. Vheissu and TAITA are more subtle than the earlier albums, but it takes more to appreciate them. He could probably agree with you on the technicality of IoS, so get him to play stuff off that. Not to mention that those songs are hardest to me.

For me, the hardest song has always been Deadbolt. No one can every get that lead riff right. It sounds different every time I hear it from anyone besides Teppei and Dustin. That solo at the end of So Strange I Remember You is hella fast, I can play it though, but not without adding a few unused hammers and pulls, haha.

[xllirikx]

So thrice is my favorite band. I was listening to them with a friend and he not only said they suck, but also that they were terrible musicians. He claimed he could play the guitar part from any thrice song easily.

So, if you guys could help me out with:

1) Is thrice a good band technically? (specifically tepeii on guitar)

2) What is the hardest thrice song to play? Or the hardest riff from a song, etc.

Thanks, with help I hope to make this kid eat his words.

-flip


Two threads? you jerk.

To address 1, have him read the new Vheissu booklet that came with the CD. They talk the complex song structure.

2) I think Artist in the Ambulance, but others may say Beltsville Crucible.

There is an idea of Neitzsche's that states - the more confusing you are, the less people will understand you; hence, to be liked, be understood. If your friend wants some confusing as song structures, have him look else were.
Thrice writes songs that are understood because they want people to enjoy them.

[Flags of Dawn]

i'll just throw in that on drums, paper tigers is probably the hardest, the intro at least. and Blood Clots and Black Holes? yeah, Riley tracked that in one take. one.

[ArTkY_]

Two threads? you jerk.

To address 1, have him read the new Vheissu booklet that came with the CD. They talk the complex song structure.

2) I think Artist in the Ambulance, but others may say Beltsville Crucible.

There is an idea of Neitzsche's that states - the more confusing you are, the less people will understand you; hence, to be liked, be understood. If your friend wants some confusing as song structures, have him look else were.
Thrice writes songs that are understood because they want people to enjoy them.
Ah, I forgot about TAITA. I find The Beltsville Crucible not too difficult though, once your fingers get used to the motions its fine. Good point with Neitzsche.

[xllirikx]

Ah, I forgot about TAITA. I find The Beltsville Crucible not too difficult though, once your fingers get used to the motions its fine. Good point with Neitzsche.

Thanks.

[parallelism]

1) Thrice is a good band technically. They aren't incredible, but they are definately above the average mark. Their newer material is simpler technically, but as far as cohesiveness goes, it is by far their most impressive album. For technicality, The Illusion of Safety is probably their most impressive release.

A single step up from the guitarwork of Thrice would be something like The Black Dahlia Murder. They aren't super difficult either, but if he can play something like that, he should be able to play Thrice songs fairly easily.

2a) Against everybody else's arguments, I would have to say that To Awake and Avenge the Dead is the song to show him.

The lead riff isn't that hard, but for most people it will take quite a bit of messing around with to play it right. Teppei's riffs during the verses are probably the hardest parts in the song. There are a couple ways to play them but most people never figure them out. For some people the hardest part could be the triplets in the break after the first verse.

Either way, for somebody who isn't good at alternating palm-muted and openly picked notes with upstrokes and downstrokes, this song will be really hard.

2b) Not sure why, but a lot of people also mess up on the Ultra-Blue lead.

2c) If those two don't work, show him 1:00-1:20 in A Subtle Dagger.

2d) If he still isn't impressed, tell him to play and sing their songs. I'm pretty sure Dustin has him beat in that department. Also, tell him to keep in mind that these are riffs that people took the time to write, and just being able to play something is different than creating it.

[raycer]

make him play the breakdown to 'the abolition of man' but dont tell him that teppei tunes his guitar different for it (not DADGBe + full step down)

[ArTkY_]

1) Thrice is a good band technically. They aren't incredible, but they are definately above the average mark. Their newer material is simpler technically, but as far as cohesiveness goes, it is by far their most impressive album. For technicality, The Illusion of Safety is probably their most impressive release.

A single step up from the guitarwork of Thrice would be something like The Black Dahlia Murder. They aren't super difficult either, but if he can play something like that, he should be able to play Thrice songs fairly easily.

2a) Against everybody else's arguments, I would have to say that To Awake and Avenge the Dead is the song to show him.

The lead riff isn't that hard, but for most people it will take quite a bit of messing around with to play it right. Teppei's riffs during the verses are probably the hardest parts in the song. There are a couple ways to play them but most people never figure them out. For some people the hardest part could be the triplets in the break after the first verse.

Either way, for somebody who isn't good at alternating palm-muted and openly picked notes with upstrokes and downstrokes, this song will be really hard.

2b) Not sure why, but a lot of people also mess up on the Ultra-Blue lead.

2c) If those two don't work, show him 1:00-1:20 in A Subtle Dagger.

2d) If he still isn't impressed, tell him to play and sing their songs. I'm pretty sure Dustin has him beat in that department. Also, tell him to keep in mind that these are riffs that people took the time to write, and just being able to play something is different than creating it.
2b: The Ultra Blue lead is so confusing. Would you happen to have a tab for it?

[parallelism]

2b: The Ultra Blue lead is so confusing. Would you happen to have a tab for it?

No, I don't read tabs, but if you'd like, I can write one up for you.

[Burnout2888]

make him play the breakdown to 'the abolition of man' but dont tell him that teppei tunes his guitar different for it (not DADGBe + full step down)
He does? What tuning does he use?

Anyways, Thrice being my favorite band as well, they are definitely a different type of technical to me. What do I mean by this? Well, there's the type of technical where you don't understand the beat, can't tap your foot to it, etc. Thrice does it to where the casual listener won't even notice it's 5/8. Upon closer review, however, the song they may be investigating may change time sigs two or three times.

As for the hardest song, I'd say the intro to Beltsville, So Strange I Remember You (mainly the ending), and for the sake of technicality, Blood Clots. The bridge breakdown, while easy once you get it, was really weird to understand the first time. (4/4, 5/8, 4/4, 6/8, 4/4, 7/8, 4/4)

[ArTkY_]

No, I don't read tabs, but if you'd like, I can write one up for you.
That's what I meant, it would be greatly appreciated. That is, if its not any trouble.

[parallelism]

That's what I meant, it would be greatly appreciated. That is, if its not any trouble.

Nope, not at all.

I'll write them up sometime soon; how should I get them to you?

[ArTkY_]

Nope, not at all.

I'll write them up sometime soon; how should I get them to you?
E-mail them to me, please. Thanks.

I'll PM you my e-mail address.

[parallelism]

E-mail them to me, please. Thanks.

I'll PM you my e-mail address.

Sounds good.

[xerxes112358]

I can't completely blame your friend because Thrice sometimes takes a bit to get into. I thought they sucked when I first listened to them, but now their like my favorite band. If you want him to like them have him listen to the live version of red sky, impossible not to like. For miles, music box, and Between the End and Where we Lie are good, and Image of the Invisible is AWESOME. I like all of their live stuff so if you have like the red sky EP or If we could Only see Us Now albums play that.

[bassdrummer2333]

Like many people have said, the time signatures are pretty complex. I'm a guitarist and drummer and would say the time signatures are much harder to play on drums than guitar. It's just easier to comprehend for me to play note after note the way it is played in the song than to have to add extra beats etc. I haven't taken on many thrice songs on guitar though so my opinion isn't very helpful there.

[porttheman]

your friend is just an idiot.plain and simple

[lew_1987]

i'll just throw in that on drums, paper tigers is probably the hardest, the intro at least. and Blood Clots and Black Holes? yeah, Riley tracked that in one take. one.

That's pretty cool to know.

Nice bump as well.

[Roboman]

Gotta love when someone registers just to bump an incredibly dead thread. I doubt he will even post here a second time.

[ACA]

Tell him to try to play the lead to "The Artist in the Ambulance".. it's especially fast. "Of Dust and Nations" on the live DVD is also pretty dirty. In terms of technical ability, Thrice is better than most bands mentioned on AP.net homepage. If you went down the newspost in any given day, I'd bet you Thrice is more technically proficient than at least 49 out of 50 bands.

[Tristan Needler]

Not sure if you guys have noticed, but this thread was made in April of 2006. I'd be willing to bet the challenge has either been taken or forgotten.

[SwishMX48]

Not sure if you guys have noticed, but this thread was made in April of 2006. I'd be willing to bet the challenge has either been taken or forgotten.

Hahaha I just noticed that.

His friend is still an idiot.

[mayhamandeggs]

I have only heard "Artist In The Ambulance" entirely and only a song or two from the older albums and Vehissu (sorry for the misspell), and I can say that AITA is a fairly technical album. As for the talent of the musicians in the band, I am quite sure that they can do allot more than what they show on their albums. Bands tend to (especially bands as big as Thrice) be minimalist in their songwriting and use only what is required to pack a punch in whichever genre or style they wish to play to; Thrice does the same thing I'm sure. I personally really like what Thrice does; they aren't the most stimulating band, but they do make it a point to have some substance and a message in all that they do. Thrice is NOT a crap band.

[miketrondson]

Sounds like a jerkoff and that he isn't worth this much talk.

[theguy77]

Like many people have said, the time signatures are pretty complex. I'm a guitarist and drummer and would say the time signatures are much harder to play on drums than guitar. It's just easier to comprehend for me to play note after note the way it is played in the song than to have to add extra beats etc. I haven't taken on many thrice songs on guitar though so my opinion isn't very helpful there.

i agree with this guy, i came in to say the time signatures are given more credit on guitar than they should be, at least for me thats not the difficult part. but to say thrice isnt a technical band is kind of stupid unless you listen exclusively to like dragonforce or something, but i dont know why you would cause they blow at writing songs.

[theguy77]

dont take my antagonism personal, but

Tell him to try to play the lead to "The Artist in the Ambulance".. it's especially fast.

not really, if you've got experience on the guitar you should be able to pick it up with some practice. the leads in between the chugs on paper tigers, now those are fast and its hard to get the hammer-ons and pull-offs on the triplets with even rhythm on each note, especailly when you're going from a chug, that's very different motions for both hands.

In terms of technical ability, Thrice is better than most bands mentioned on AP.net homepage.

this really isnt saying much haha, most the bands on there are almost exclusively power chords.

[ACA]

dont take my antagonism personal, but not really, if you've got experience on the guitar you should be able to pick it up with some practice. the leads in between the chugs on paper tigers, now those are fast and its hard to get the hammer-ons and pull-offs on the triplets with even rhythm on each note, especailly when you're going from a chug, that's very different motions for both hands.

I'd really disagree. I'd really like to see someone on AP play that song (hey, Dustin, if you're reading this shhh don't let Teppei on with an alt). I've seen some local acts attempt it and completely butcher it. I haven't really "scoured" Youtube, but any time I've seen it attempted it's been awful.

-ACA

[theguy77]

ahah well it so happens a lot of people who do those youtube covers and/or tab songs do not have a good enough ear to be doing so. but really if youve got any form of musical inclination and, say, three years on the guitar, i think you should be able to learn the artist in the ambulance's lead riff if you practice it enough. :shrug:

improvising it, or sight reading it, however, is a TOTALLY different story.

[mayhamandeggs]

Sounds like a jerkoff and that he isn't worth this much talk.

You talkin' to me?

[miketrondson]

You talkin' to me?

I'm talkin' about the douche bag who hates on Thrice.

[mayhamandeggs]

I'm talkin' about the douche bag who hates on Thrice.

Oh. Not me then. I love 'em. Thrice is always a good spin.