Eagles War Room

[mat1419]

I was going to make one of these closer to the draft, but the eagles website is holding a pick-a-day mock draft and the eagles just picked.

according to the fans, it was a three man race between chad jackson, len dale white, and ernie sims. the fans went with jackson.

out of those three, i say white is out. even if he's available, i don't want him. i have no problem with sims or jackson though. with jackson, we upgrade our weakest offensive skill position to a pretty promising young corp. sims would lift a pretty shakey position on defense, that would also take much needed pressure off the secondary by helping control the box and getting in the quarterback's face a little.

i like either one of these picks at 14 if we can grab them. we definately need O-line help, but I'd much rather burn a first rounder on one of these guys, at least to give me something to get excited about for the next few months. but it's the birds, and i can't remember the last time one of their drafts had me buzzing the next day.

i'll bring this thread alive draft day if it dies out.

[Dirty Ernie]

i approve of every thread you've ever made

philly fans want jackson because he is the sexy pick, but i have faith in the eagles receivers, no pro bowlers but i dont think they will cost them games

best case scenario for me would be if winston justice fell to 14, considering they might need two tackles next year if all the games runyan has played catch up to him

out of the selections i chose sims, hes a playmaker with 4.5 speed who is drawing comparisons to derrick brooks

[mat1419]

best case scenario for me would be if winston justice fell to 14, considering they might need two tackles next year if all the games runyan has played catch up to him


i would totally agree with justice, but i really don't see him falling. i have no problem with sims at all...i actually think he'd help the team a lot more from the start. i just am dying to see our offense score points again.

[char]

I'm praying that Chad Greenway drops to our pick in the 2nd round. Hell, even with him sucking at the combine I would take him in the first round, that's how high I am on him.

LenDale White is dropping like a stone. I don't know if he's deliberately sabotaging his stock or what, but he's killing himself.

I like Chad Jackson, but he needs a lot of work and I don't think the Eagles WR coaching staff is very good at developing talented players with potential.

Sims wouldn't be a bad pick, but god I want Greenway.

[mikeford]

white = clarett

[Dirty Ernie]

white = clarett

first thing i thought after his workout

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

i would totally agree with justice, but i really don't see him falling. i have no problem with sims at all...i actually think he'd help the team a lot more from the start. i just am dying to see our offense score points again.
Winston Justice is going to the Bills at #8.



....I hope.

[Dirty Ernie]

Winston Justice is going to the Bills at #8.



....I hope.

very possible, apparently he had one of the top workouts

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

very possible, apparently he had one of the top workouts
he had a great workout. Something like a 39" vertical and 38 reps on the bench press, as well as a 5.15 40 yard dash.

I also read on NFL.com that Justice pulled his calf during that 5.15 40 between the 25 and 30 yard marks and actually "pulled up" as he finished off, so the possibility of him running a high 4.9 to mid 5.0 40 yard dash is there.

I'm very impressed with him - athletic, strong, quick, agile, intelligent and tough (he took up boxing during the year he was suspended from USC football)

[mat1419]

i just saw a mock draft that had the eagles getting jackson at 14...but then it had sims not even in the first round. sims stock is growing, so i doubt in three weeks that will be the case, but if it looks like he'll slip somehow, i'd love the eagles to package up some of those 4-7 round picks they have piled up and trade up for a solid 2nd or 3rd rounder. you can only have 53 players on a team, i really don't see the point stockpiling that many late picks, most of which won't be able to make the team and the rest won't make a huge impact when you can take two of them and grab a guy who can play in September without completely selling out your late rounds.

[sundaysetsashes]

the eagles arent interested in picking at 14 anyway guys. they are going to trade their pick and other picks to get a top 10 pick for a guy they wont name in the media. if they cant get a trade worked out or if he is taken ahead of time then they are just going to trade for more picks. either way i dont think we're going to see them with the 14th pick in the draft

[justinevans]

the eagles arent interested in picking at 14 anyway guys. they are going to trade their pick and other picks to get a top 10 pick for a guy they wont name in the media. if they cant get a trade worked out or if he is taken ahead of time then they are just going to trade for more picks. either way i dont think we're going to see them with the 14th pick in the draft

I think you are right.

But I like Jackson. I've followed FSU...Sims has some off the field issues.

[Dirty Ernie]

the eagles have justice working out for them today

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

the eagles have justice working out for them today
The Bills need more first day picks - the team is full of holes. I wouldn't be upset if they traded down to #14.

[mat1419]

The Bills need more first day picks - the team is full of holes. I wouldn't be upset if they traded down to #14.
i'd be very pissed if they make any deals with the Bills after not even going after Moulds

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

i'd be very pissed if they make any deals with the Bills after not even going after Moulds
oh you mean Eric "I make $10 million to catch 45 balls a year" Moulds?

Good riddance to him, he was overpaid and wouldn't take a pay cut to finish his career with us.

[mikeford]

the patriots seem poised to have the gayest sounding secondary of all time.

Randall Gay and Ashton Youboty.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

the patriots seem poised to have the gayest sounding secondary of all time.

Randall Gay and Ashton Youboty.
heh

[mat1419]

are all the len dale white supporters anti eagles people or just usc fans?

[Johnny_G]

Sims is the pick.

[Dirty Ernie]

you can take lenny dub off that list

[mat1419]

6 days...

[sweethypocrisy]

the patriots seem poised to have the gayest sounding secondary of all time.

Randall Gay and Ashton Youboty.
haha.

[sweethypocrisy]

the patriots seem poised to have the gayest sounding secondary of all time.

Randall Gay and Ashton Youboty.
next year they can draft d'cody ***g and change their team colors to pink and purple.

[YouMadeTheScene]

They are either going with Ernie Sims or Chad Greenway

[justinevans]

i read they are looking at wrs on espn.

[mat1419]

i read they are looking at wrs on espn.
they can't ignore it anymore. it was the most glaring weakness last year, and though there are a ton more spots to fill, that one will always get the most spotlight.

[char]

They are either going with Ernie Sims or Chad Greenway

Sims would be a terrible pick, in my opinion. He's too small and has an attitude problem. Plus, he fits better in a Cover 2 system like Tampa or Indianapolis than a 4-3 like ours.

[mat1419]

lock the doors...everyone else out...we've got some drafting to do

alright kids from the homeland...what are they saying on Comcast and WIP right now? I don't get much info down here. I did hear the Birds are now heavily trying to trade up to 7, 8 or 9 to get the DT from Florida State, but not much aside from that. Is that our only play?

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

The Bills will take Ferguson if he slips to #8, or trade down to the #12-16 range to nab Winston Justice or Brodrick Bunkley.

Where are the Eagles picking at again?

[Goodbye Forever]

The Bills will take Ferguson if he slips to #8, or trade down to the #12-16 range to nab Winston Justice or Brodrick Bunkley.

Where are the Eagles picking at again?

14.

[mat1419]

14.
14...but evidentally there's something in the works that moves them to 7 where they get Bunkley...I know nothing about this kid, so I don't know if I like that yet or not.

[justinevans]

why would they trade up to get bunkley?

[justinevans]

why would they trade up to get bunkley?

sorry i confused bunkley with wimbley.

[justinevans]

our pick is so close, yet so far.

[mat1419]

halfway there and no movement yet...is jackson still on their board or are they thinking DT all the way???

[justinevans]

halfway there and no movement yet...is jackson still on their board or are they thinking DT all the way???

i still think we need to go with an outside backer.

[mat1419]

there it is, confirmation the birds might be trading up right now

AND the eagles have confirmed they have javon walker in town for a visit and are interested...

[mat1419]

no trade but the guy the Eagles were possibly marking is still there...

and i'm starting to wish posluszney had come out and was sitting there at 14...

[justinevans]

no trade but the guy the Eagles were possibly marking is still there...

and i'm starting to wish posluszney had come out and was sitting there at 14...

no i don't wish posluzny came out because i like penn state too much :)

[mat1419]

no i don't wish posluzny came out because i like penn state too much :)
i'll be glad come next fall when he's helping them win games, but i want him to be an eagle a whole lot. that would be super.

[justinevans]

If we could draft DT and then trade walker and a 2nd or 3rd rounder for walker, i'd do that in a heart beat. we'll fill up 2 big holes and this is a deep draft for o-line.

[mat1419]

If we could draft DT and then trade walker and a 2nd or 3rd rounder for walker, i'd do that in a heart beat. we'll fill up 2 big holes and this is a deep draft for o-line.
i'd love that (but if at all possible i'd replace walker for thomas and see if we can sneak hollis out of town).

there goes sims...

[mat1419]

i'm starting to be glad the cardinals aren't in the nfc east anymore

[justinevans]

i'd love that (but if at all possible i'd replace walker for thomas and see if we can sneak hollis out of town).

there goes sims...

yes, but isn't thomas' contract up soon?

i'd like to give up thomas too, but i think we could move walker with a third or 4th instead of a 2nd rounder.

the good thing we know is that we will have our 1st rounder.

also you have to think a trade was not made to move up because we may need those picks for walker.

eagles could make this a great day.

[justinevans]

i'd love that (but if at all possible i'd replace walker for thomas and see if we can sneak hollis out of town).

there goes sims...

i didn't want sims. i think in the 4th round we can get nicholson.


what happened to tamba hali? lol.

[sundaysetsashes]

mat, wip is on the web. you can stream live audio

[mat1419]

yeah, i figured a lot more news has been swimming around philly the past few days that i needed to be caught up on.

a lot of crazy stuff could happen. if the eagles think they're getting walker, they won't draft a wide out, they'll take the kid from florida state at DT. then they'll be able to trade darwin to the pack to get them to tone down their demand for a first round. (basically what paris just said). that, i think, would be an amazing draft, killing two needs with one stone.

now, there's a chance it won't be all that, and they'll just draft a player and that's that, but i'm really excited right now.

[sundaysetsashes]

well..we need walker to be an eagle tonight, if not i really think denver is going to pull out evrything they can to get him. they lost out on TO

[justinevans]

yeah, i figured a lot more news has been swimming around philly the past few days that i needed to be caught up on.

a lot of crazy stuff could happen. if the eagles think they're getting walker, they won't draft a wide out, they'll take the kid from florida state at DT. then they'll be able to trade darwin to the pack to get them to tone down their demand for a first round. (basically what paris just said). that, i think, would be an amazing draft, killing two needs with one stone.

now, there's a chance it won't be all that, and they'll just draft a player and that's that, but i'm really excited right now.

think about it, we can draft 3 players who could give us immediate help. now with the signing of runyan i don't know if they'll go with justice any longer...but

ngota, greenway, or bunkley should be there.

[mat1419]

think about it, we can draft 3 players who could give us immediate help. now with the signing of runyan i don't know if they'll go with justice any longer...but

ngota, greenway, or bunkley should be there.
justice has dropped a lot lately.

[justinevans]

this makes it even better....now the broncos had to give up some pics that they probably could have used for walker.

[mat1419]

ngota, greenway, or bunkley should be there.
i've seen greenway as a late first rounder...i think if they pick him it's too high.

if they take the two DT's, i think it's setting the table all too perfectly for a trade to get walker. past history makes me cautious to get too excited for a great move like this to happen, but i'm starting to get a little antsy for it.

[justinevans]

i've seen greenway as a late first rounder...i think if they pick him it's too high.

if they take the two DT's, i think it's setting the table all too perfectly for a trade to get walker. past history makes me cautious to get too excited for a great move like this to happen, but i'm starting to get a little antsy for it.


me too, I am getting extremely excited.

[mat1419]

sidenote, i've been drinking since 11 and suzy kolber is looking much better than i know she should...

[sundaysetsashes]

last i heard (yesterday on the gargano and martarano show) they are really not happy with ngatos laziness.

[justinevans]

i wish i could be drinking, but no i have papers to do.

[sundaysetsashes]

id do suzy kolber any day of the week, sober or piss drunk

[mat1419]

fuck...don't pick bunkley browns, don't fucking do it...

[justinevans]

fuck man.

[sundaysetsashes]

whats the point of that trade?

[justinevans]

so they can get some picks and screw philly.

[sundaysetsashes]

didnt they just switch places thats it? and the ravens already had a pick ahead of the birds

[justinevans]

didnt they just switch places thats it? and the ravens already had a pick ahead of the birds

they didn't get a late round pick?

[Johnny_G]

they didn't get a late round pick?

they got a 6th rounder.

[mat1419]

i think the point was cleveland wasn't sure what they were going to do, by trading the pick they gave themselves an extra 15 minutes and couldn't let the birds rush in and sneak their pick in ahead of them

[Johnny_G]

Can the Browns make up their fucking minds already? It's taken them almost 30 minutes to make a god damn pick.

[justinevans]

i know right.

[mat1419]

here we go boys...

[justinevans]

fucccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk yessssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[mat1419]

Nice!!!!

[Johnny_G]

Yes!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you Brownies!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Johnny_G]

This should be a short clock right here.

[sundaysetsashes]

so theyre taking bunkley i assume

[justinevans]

they better.

[Johnny_G]

If I hear Winston Justice i'm breaking my remote, bare minimum

[sundaysetsashes]

so this works out for the birds, they didnt need to trade their pick to move up and they dont have to pay him as much if he were an 8 pick

[Johnny_G]

Hahahaha nice I hear Eagles chants in the background.

[mat1419]

If I hear Winston Justice i'm breaking my remote, bare minimum
the second they just said that i froze....that might ruin my day...

[sundaysetsashes]

why is it taking so goddamn long.

who else could they be considering

[justinevans]

mel kiper sucks wang literally.

[Johnny_G]

why is it taking so goddamn long.

who else could they be considering

I think teams just like to take time to make it interesting or maybe listen to offers. They've played out each and every scenario so many times I have a hard time believing they have any doubt as to who they're taking here.

[sundaysetsashes]

man what if they take a WR

[justinevans]

man what if they take a WR

that means no walker.

[sundaysetsashes]

so many people are hating on the eagles chants

[CutsLikeDrugS]

Please Bunkley Please Bunkley

[sundaysetsashes]

that means no walker.

right but i think the eagles should have relinquished the ability to pick a wideout ever

they just cant do it

[justinevans]

shut the fuck up denny green.

[Johnny_G]

here we go.

[justinevans]

yessssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!1

[sundaysetsashes]

its about time

[CutsLikeDrugS]

Yesssssss
Hurray

[Johnny_G]

Very fucking nice.

[sundaysetsashes]

kearse, bunkley, patterson, and howard

nice front four

[unwritten]

Who picks White? any thoughts?

[CutsLikeDrugS]

Oh man, Patterson and Bunkley... love that shit!

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

thank god...that big man is a beast.

[CutsLikeDrugS]

Who picks White? any thoughts?
Minny?

[mat1419]

very nice...phase two...send a DT off with a pick, go get us Javon Walker.

[sundaysetsashes]

yeah anyone think a 2nd rounder and darwin walker for javon is realistic

[Johnny_G]

very nice...phase two...send a DT off with a pick, go get us Javon Walker.

This pick, combined with that deal, propels us right back to the front of the division baby.

[CutsLikeDrugS]

This is nice... but we need a receiver.

[unwritten]

Minny?

I could see that happening.

[sundaysetsashes]

This is nice... but we need a receiver.

yeah his name is javon walker

[CutsLikeDrugS]

yeah anyone think a 2nd rounder and darwin walker for javon is realistic
Eh, I don't know if that's realistic.

[CutsLikeDrugS]

I could see that happening.
It seems like a good fit... but I dunno we'll see.

[justinevans]

yeah anyone think a 2nd rounder and darwin walker for javon is realistic

green bay would definitely take that. I think the eagles would rather trade thomas and a 2nd rounder or walker and a 3rd.

Lelie wants out of denver however...lelie and a 2nd rounder for walker is possible too.

[Johnny_G]

Eh, I don't know if that's realistic.

Guess what though? That's the best deal they're gonna get. Denver just gave up an extra pick for Cutler and the Saints have a ton of money to give to Reggie Bush. Unless NE can put something better than that on the table, Javon will be an Eagle.

[mat1419]

This pick, combined with that deal, propels us right back to the front of the division baby.
seriously...doesn't Walker, Brown, Gaffeny and Pinkston as a 4 sounds even better than our group with TO as the #1?

And remember when we though Simon and Walker were the future of the D-line a year ago?

[sundaysetsashes]

yeah i think the eagles are going to take too much time and not get walker. they are too slow to do things, they sit patiently waiting for the best deal while some other team will offer too much and the eagles get the screw job again

[justinevans]

Guess what though? That's the best deal they're gonna get. Denver just gave up an extra pick for Cutler and the Saints have a ton of money to give to Reggie Bush. Unless NE can put something better than that on the table, Javon will be an Eagle.

he visited the pats last night.

[Johnny_G]

seriously...doesn't Walker, Brown, Gaffeny and Pinkston as a 4 sounds even better than our group with TO as the #1?

And remember when we though Simon and Walker were the future of the D-line a year ago?

Yep, its amazing what a year can do. Now we just need to get a Walker deal done ASAP.

[sundaysetsashes]

Guess what though? That's the best deal they're gonna get. Denver just gave up an extra pick for Cutler and the Saints have a ton of money to give to Reggie Bush. Unless NE can put something better than that on the table, Javon will be an Eagle.

but denver still has that second round pick

[mat1419]

hey javon walker, i don't know if you check this site, but we really want you in philly. try to get here.

thx
matt

[sundaysetsashes]

hey javon walker, i don't know if you check this site, but we really want you in philly. try to get here.

thx
matt


i heard hes got it bookmarked under favorites

[justinevans]

if we do not get walker...we draft stovall in the 2nd round.

[sundaysetsashes]

it'd be nice if they announce the trade while NE is announcing their pick

[sundaysetsashes]

if we do not get walker...we draft stovall in the 2nd round.

i was just about to type that. and if we do get walker i think we should draft an OL next

[justinevans]

it'd be nice if they announce the trade while NE is announcing their pick


it'd be nice, but i doubt we'll know by today.

[Johnny_G]

but denver still has that second round pick

the eagles need to step up and dish the 2nd rounder for walker. No player they're gonna get in the 2nd round will have the impact of Javon on this team, and our window of opportunity is closing. The time is now for management to give us a chance to win again this season.

[CutsLikeDrugS]

Who is Miami replacing Williams with? Would they take White?

[mat1419]

the eagles need to step up and dish the 2nd rounder for walker. No player they're gonna get in the 2nd round will have the impact of Javon on this team, and our window of opportunity is closing. The time is now for management to give us a chance to win again this season.
i kind of agree...i think if they don't deal the pick before they use it, it loses its value. getting it to green bay so they can pick who they want is huge. we'll greet bunkley tomorrow, start dealing today.

[mat1419]

Who is Miami replacing Williams with? Would they take White?
no one, ronnie brown will just run more.

[justinevans]

on WIP they just said Andy is worrying about the draft right now and not about javon walker. and sort of shrugged off the question besides saying that he was in town.

[sundaysetsashes]

walker in town means nothing

[mat1419]

dave spaddero says that the packers aren't ok with dealing walker to philly because they just don't want him coming here.

deflate those hopes a little bit. sadly. expectedly.

[justinevans]

walker in town means nothing

exactly - i think we were going defense all along.

[sundaysetsashes]

dave spaddero says that the packers aren't ok with dealing walker to philly because they just don't want him coming here.

deflate those hopes a little bit. sadly. expectedly.

i hate to go from optimism to pessimism so quickly from what one guy says, but i think denver pretty much has it in the bag

[justinevans]

i hate to go from optimism to pessimism so quickly from what one guy says, but i think denver pretty much has it in the bag

damnit.

[mat1419]

i hate to go from optimism to pessimism so quickly from what one guy says, but i think denver pretty much has it in the bag
you never know...let's see what happens. either way i'm so ready for training camp already...

[justinevans]

you never know...let's see what happens. either way i'm so ready for training camp already...

i don't think it'll happen just because the eagles are in the nfc.

[mat1419]

i don't think it'll happen just because the eagles are in the nfc.
ha, i don't think it'll happen because it's the eagles and nothing fun ever happens, but eventually they're going to come to and pull some big moves. and if not, no worries, if we draft a solid guy in the second round we're still in better shape than last year.

[justinevans]

ha, i don't think it'll happen because it's the eagles and nothing fun ever happens, but eventually they're going to come to and pull some big moves. and if not, no worries, if we draft a solid guy in the second round we're still in better shape than last year.

yeah we have more depth issues than starting holes.

[justinevans]

2nd round guesses?

[sundaysetsashes]

i cant see why they wouldnt take stovall

[Johnny_G]

i cant see why they wouldnt take stovall
I'd rather them stock up on the OL or DL than take another receiver who will be mediocre at best in the league. We have enough already.

[mat1419]

i think their 2nd round pick will show a lot. obviously if its a wide out, the walker deal is done. if not, it doesn't mean anything, but it leaves that door open. the way things are going though, there could be some good ones at 45, so the next 2 hours will be interesting.

[justinevans]

the walker deal is not happening.

[Johnny_G]

At this point they better be on the phones trying to trade up for Lendale.

[justinevans]

At this point they better be on the phones trying to trade up for Lendale.

the eagles?

[Johnny_G]

the eagles?

yea, nevermind, i forgot how deep into the 2nd round they are... oh well.

[justinevans]

yea, nevermind, i forgot how deep into the 2nd round they are... oh well.

who do you want to try to get walker or white?

[Johnny_G]

who do you want to try to get walker or white?

White. I think our receivers can be fine with the addition of a power back to supplement the running game.

[justinevans]

White. I think our receivers can be fine with the addition of a power back to supplement the running game.

White is not the type of player the Eagles want in their organization. we already got rid of corey simon.

[Johnny_G]

White is not the type of player the Eagles want in their organization. we already got rid of corey simon.

He didn't participate in the workouts cause of injury, not character issues. The guy can be a very good back in this league, and is exactly what we need in our backfield to win games.

[justinevans]

He didn't participate in the workouts cause of injury, not character issues. The guy can be a very good back in this league, and is exactly what we need in our backfield to win games.


face it, they won't trade up for white...if anything they will draft o-line.

[Johnny_G]

face it, they won't trade up for white...if anything they will draft o-line.

I know they won't trade up, I'm just stating what I'd like them to do. And I have no problem stocking up on the O-line. I just don't want another 2nd rate WR.

[justinevans]

I know they won't trade up, I'm just stating what I'd like them to do. And I have no problem stocking up on the O-line. I just don't want another 2nd rate WR.

i doubt stovall will even be there anyway.

[justinevans]

eagles should get leon washington out of fsu in the 3rd or 4th round.

[Johnny_G]

Hmmmm, who will fall to the Eagles? Sinorice Moss? Eric Winston? Lendale? The 2nd round should be interesting.

[mat1419]

Hmmmm, who will fall to the Eagles? Sinorice Moss? Eric Winston? Lendale? The 2nd round should be interesting.
the way things are going, unless there's a run on receivers, they'll have a shot at a top 5 wide out. they could still use some line help and definately a linebacker.

[imirish06]

Are the rumors true that they were looking at Maurice Stovall?

[Johnny_G]

Are the rumors true that they were looking at Maurice Stovall?

Yea, another 2nd rate WR. Javon talks are heating up according to WIP.

[mat1419]

Yea, another 2nd rate WR. Javon talks are heating up according to WIP.
do you think this thing will be worked out before they pick at 45 or no?

[justinevans]

do you think this thing will be worked out before they pick at 45 or no?

nope, they will not get him.

[Johnny_G]

do you think this thing will be worked out before they pick at 45 or no?

If it isn't, then I'd say no Javon to Philly. But at this point I'd say its a possibility.

[sundaysetsashes]

so are we any closer to a deal with walker?

[Johnny_G]

so are we any closer to a deal with walker?

We're at least talkin with GB, but no clue how close we are, if at all.

[justinevans]

well ne just picked chad jackson...no point for them to bring in walker now.

[Johnny_G]

well ne just picked chad jackson...no point for them to bring in walker now.

Down to us or Denver I guess.

[mat1419]

denver's up now...

[mat1419]

and i know this is a birds thread, and it is all about them, but that was steal by the pats for jackson

[justinevans]

denver has 2 second round picks.

[justinevans]

if justice is there, eagles will pick him i think.

also there is a report that white has failed a drug test.

[mat1419]

shit...a trade

[Johnny_G]

Fuck

[mat1419]

how the hell did the broncos offer more than us?

[Johnny_G]

how the hell did the broncos offer more than us?

We never step up to the plate.

[mat1419]

We never step up to the plate.
i know, but at least this time we openly showed interest, to publicly get beat out when we know we had more to offer is just embarrassing

[Johnny_G]

i know, but at least this time we openly showed interest, to publicly get beat out when we know we had more to offer is just embarrassing

Yea, pretty much.

[mat1419]

i'm fucking pissed, for a 2nd round pick straight...that's fucking awful

[mat1419]

i hope he breaks his neck

[justinevans]

i know, but at least this time we openly showed interest, to publicly get beat out when we know we had more to offer is just embarrassing

i think it mainly had to do with afc vs. nfc.

[mat1419]

i think it mainly had to do with afc vs. nfc.
i know, but it's ridiclous because the packers dropped that pick right away and basically got shit for it. if we really wanted him, we had plenty to give to a shitty team like green bay to make them ok with it. so pissed.

[justinevans]

i know, but it's ridiclous because the packers dropped that pick right away and basically got shit for it. if we really wanted him, we had plenty to give to a shitty team like green bay to make them ok with it. so pissed.

yes i know, but it takes two to make a transaction. they did not want walker going to an nfc team.

[Johnny_G]

yes i know, but it takes two to make a transaction. they did not want walker going to an nfc team.

I don't see why it matters. It's not like we're a division rival or even a rival. Just another team that they're gonna see once every few years. We just become huge jews in these deals and that's probably the reason he's in Denver and not Philly.

[justinevans]

I don't see why it matters. It's not like we're a division rival or even a rival. Just another team that they're gonna see once every few years. We just become huge jews in these deals and that's probably the reason he's in Denver and not Philly.

or the fact it was the 37th pick instead of the 45th?

[mat1419]

or the fact it was the 37th pick instead of the 45th?
no, i agree its the nfc/afc thing. they just don't even want to give him a shot to play the pack.

ok, shake it off time. i'm thinking sexy pick now, wide out. i know we have other needs but this javon thing has me reeling. get me some speed.

[justinevans]

haha we just have the 2 biggest steals in the draft.

[Johnny_G]

We just traded up and took Winston Justice, good move.

[mat1419]

haha we just have the 2 biggest steals in the draft.
justice definately is...i completely forgot he was still there. i hope to god his off field shit is gone. nice though.

[Johnny_G]

Its not as flashy as Walker, but its a solid fuckin move.

[Johnny_G]

Did we not even give up our 45th pick? I just saw us on the bottom of the screen still for #45.

[mat1419]

Did we not even give up our 45th pick? I just saw us on the bottom of the screen still for #45.
we gave that up and one of our 4th rounders, still a great trade for the value of the pick.

[justinevans]

if we can get an lb next i think we have fulfilled our biggest needs.

[mat1419]

if we can get an lb next i think we have fulfilled our biggest needs.
i think we still have wide receiver needs...not one of ours can play the possession role and run a good mid route, so i actually think if we could get one of those it's more important. jones and trotter are going to start no matter who we draft, and reid is going to stick with one of his guys already there as the third backer...i'd be surprised to see us go LB next honestly.

[justinevans]

i think we still have wide receiver needs...not one of ours can play the possession role and run a good mid route, so i actually think if we could get one of those it's more important. jones and trotter are going to start no matter who we draft, and reid is going to stick with one of his guys already there as the third backer...i'd be surprised to see us go LB next honestly.

the other guy is barber to a 1 year deal.

if it isn't this year, it'll be the first round pick next year.

[mat1419]

the other guy is barber to a 1 year deal.

if it isn't this year, it'll be the first round pick next year.
just listening to reid though, he's in love with the guys he drafted last year, i'd be shocked to see him give up on them so early.

[justinevans]

just listening to reid though, he's in love with the guys he drafted last year, i'd be shocked to see him give up on them so early.

what linebacker did we get?

[mat1419]

what linebacker did we get?
McCoy...yeah, i don't see it either, but i think Andy does

[CutsLikeDrugS]

Damn, what are we gonna do about receivers?

[justinevans]

Damn, what are we gonna do about receivers?

stovall may still be there or the guy from oregon.

[justinevans]

why the d-end?

[sundaysetsashes]

i think they drafted another end cause they want some depth and maybe to trade darwin walker for a WR, they lost kalu this year and probably some other linemen

[sundaysetsashes]

i really think we're still fucked with the WRs we have now and i wish they would have gotten walker. i still think its a glaring weakness that we better adress with a guy who was NFL experience...does anyone know if theyre are any legitimate wideouts still in the market?

[imirish06]

Stovall would be a good pick up regardless of what some of you say. I'm not saying it out of a bias either.


The guy can flat out catch and make plays and he's ridiculously smart. He also had a year head start in an NFL styled offense. In which he learned in one year

[justinevans]

Stovall would be a good pick up regardless of what some of you say. I'm not saying it out of a bias either.


The guy can flat out catch and make plays and he's ridiculously smart. He also had a year head start in an NFL styled offense. In which he learned in one year

his work ethic is what is hurting him.

[justinevans]

U-WIRE) SAN LUIS OBISPO, Calif. -- Many NFL players came from universities in a big football conference like the Pac-10, Big 12 or Big 10. Stars are manufactured at the University of Southern California, Ohio State and Miami University -- not California Polytechnic State University.

Chris Gocong, an engineering senior at Cal Poly, will try to do what most "small school" players never get to: play in the NFL.

Several teams have expressed interest in the 2005 Buck Buchanan Award winner, but the New York Jets told Gocong they intend to select him if he's still available in the third round of this weekend's NFL draft. The Jets pick twice in the third, Nos. 71 and 91, respectively.

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Gocong is expected to land in the third or fourth round, some analysts even projecting him to go in the second. But questions remain about his ability to make the jump from Division I-AA football to the NFL.

"I'd say I proved myself against bigger guys at the East-West Shrine Game and also against the competition at the combine," Gocong said.

One of the most popular questions asked of Gocong is if he will be able to compete with seasoned NFL veterans being from a small school. The East-West Shrine Game gave Gocong a chance to match up with some of the top seniors in the class of 2006 -- and several hundred NFL scouts and other personnel in attendance.

Gocong, who roomed with USC defensive end Frostee Rucker at the San Antonio-based event, recorded three tackles in the annual all-star extravaganza.

It was an impressive outing for Gocong. However, doubts about his career at a Div. I-AA school remained. Undeterred, the top pass rusher in Div. I-AA believes he is just as talented as his Div. I-A counterparts.

"Coming into the whole process, (Frostee Rucker) had more clout because he was from USC, not Cal Poly," Gocong said. "But after the East-West (Shrine) Game, we're equals. We both played on the same field, we both went to the combine, and I think that kind of equalized (our status)."

The Santa Barbara County native, graduate of Carpinteria High School, averaged 1.81 sacks per game to lead the nation in 2005. He had 23.5 sacks in 13 games to break the Cal Poly record.

Some have compared the 6-foot 2-inch, 263-pound Gocong to Teddy Bruschi of the New England Patriots. Analysts also criticized Bruschi about his size and ability to convert to an NFL-caliber linebacker.

Cal Poly head coach Rich Ellerson doesn't buy into the analogy, and he should know. Ellerson coached Bruschi at the University of Arizona as the top defensive assistant on staff.

"Frankly, Chris is bigger, faster, stronger," Ellerson said.

At 6-1, 247 pounds, Bruschi has become a dominant force in the NFL, anchoring a Patriots defense during a stretch of three Super Bowl wins in four years. While analysts criticized his size, he at least played for a Div. I-A team.

"Obviously Teddy was playing at the highest level, Division I football. Chris has to keep answering that challenge," Ellerson said.

Gocong isn't the only potential small-school coup in the draft.

Abilene Christian, Div. II, defensive back Danieal Manning is projected to go in the high second round to low third round. David Pittman of Northwestern State (Louis.), a Div. I-AA school as well, is also projected as an early third round pick.

Manning, Pittman and Gocong are Kiper's top sleepers in the draft.

Last year, former Cal Poly teammate Jordan Beck had a similar draft experience. The 2004 Buck Buchanan Award winner was selected No. 90 overall (third round) by the Atlanta Falcons.

Beck sat out the 2005 NFL season after breaking his foot in a pre-season game, but is expected to be ready for training camp come summertime.

The most notable defensive player to make the jump from Div. I-AA to the pros in recent years was current St. Louis Rams linebacker Dexter Coakley. The first recipient and two-time winner of the Buck Buchanan Award -- 1995 and 1996 -- reached the NFL after four years at Appalachian State. He led the Mountaineers to the Div. I-AA quarterfinals in 1994 and 1995, recorded 616 career tackles and tallied better than 20 tackles in a game on seven occasions.

Coakley was selected No. 65 (third round) by the Dallas Cowboys in the 1997 draft.

Gocong will watch the draft from his house in San Luis Obispo with friends and family. Despite the projections, Gocong knows there's still a chance he'll fall to the second day of the draft (rounds four-seven).

"I'm pretty happy (about being projected in the third round), but I won't be emphatic until it happens in the draft," Gocong said.

i actually like the pick now. he can play olb/de.

[justinevans]

look for us to get demetrius williams in the 4th round.

[derricklc22]

U-WIRE) SAN LUIS OBISPO, Calif. -- Many NFL players came from universities in a big football conference like the Pac-10, Big 12 or Big 10. Stars are manufactured at the University of Southern California, Ohio State and Miami University -- not California Polytechnic State University.

Chris Gocong, an engineering senior at Cal Poly, will try to do what most "small school" players never get to: play in the NFL.

Several teams have expressed interest in the 2005 Buck Buchanan Award winner, but the New York Jets told Gocong they intend to select him if he's still available in the third round of this weekend's NFL draft. The Jets pick twice in the third, Nos. 71 and 91, respectively.

ADVERTISEMENT


Gocong is expected to land in the third or fourth round, some analysts even projecting him to go in the second. But questions remain about his ability to make the jump from Division I-AA football to the NFL.

"I'd say I proved myself against bigger guys at the East-West Shrine Game and also against the competition at the combine," Gocong said.

One of the most popular questions asked of Gocong is if he will be able to compete with seasoned NFL veterans being from a small school. The East-West Shrine Game gave Gocong a chance to match up with some of the top seniors in the class of 2006 -- and several hundred NFL scouts and other personnel in attendance.

Gocong, who roomed with USC defensive end Frostee Rucker at the San Antonio-based event, recorded three tackles in the annual all-star extravaganza.

It was an impressive outing for Gocong. However, doubts about his career at a Div. I-AA school remained. Undeterred, the top pass rusher in Div. I-AA believes he is just as talented as his Div. I-A counterparts.

"Coming into the whole process, (Frostee Rucker) had more clout because he was from USC, not Cal Poly," Gocong said. "But after the East-West (Shrine) Game, we're equals. We both played on the same field, we both went to the combine, and I think that kind of equalized (our status)."

The Santa Barbara County native, graduate of Carpinteria High School, averaged 1.81 sacks per game to lead the nation in 2005. He had 23.5 sacks in 13 games to break the Cal Poly record.

Some have compared the 6-foot 2-inch, 263-pound Gocong to Teddy Bruschi of the New England Patriots. Analysts also criticized Bruschi about his size and ability to convert to an NFL-caliber linebacker.

Cal Poly head coach Rich Ellerson doesn't buy into the analogy, and he should know. Ellerson coached Bruschi at the University of Arizona as the top defensive assistant on staff.

"Frankly, Chris is bigger, faster, stronger," Ellerson said.

At 6-1, 247 pounds, Bruschi has become a dominant force in the NFL, anchoring a Patriots defense during a stretch of three Super Bowl wins in four years. While analysts criticized his size, he at least played for a Div. I-A team.

"Obviously Teddy was playing at the highest level, Division I football. Chris has to keep answering that challenge," Ellerson said.

Gocong isn't the only potential small-school coup in the draft.

Abilene Christian, Div. II, defensive back Danieal Manning is projected to go in the high second round to low third round. David Pittman of Northwestern State (Louis.), a Div. I-AA school as well, is also projected as an early third round pick.

Manning, Pittman and Gocong are Kiper's top sleepers in the draft.

Last year, former Cal Poly teammate Jordan Beck had a similar draft experience. The 2004 Buck Buchanan Award winner was selected No. 90 overall (third round) by the Atlanta Falcons.

Beck sat out the 2005 NFL season after breaking his foot in a pre-season game, but is expected to be ready for training camp come summertime.

The most notable defensive player to make the jump from Div. I-AA to the pros in recent years was current St. Louis Rams linebacker Dexter Coakley. The first recipient and two-time winner of the Buck Buchanan Award -- 1995 and 1996 -- reached the NFL after four years at Appalachian State. He led the Mountaineers to the Div. I-AA quarterfinals in 1994 and 1995, recorded 616 career tackles and tallied better than 20 tackles in a game on seven occasions.

Coakley was selected No. 65 (third round) by the Dallas Cowboys in the 1997 draft.

Gocong will watch the draft from his house in San Luis Obispo with friends and family. Despite the projections, Gocong knows there's still a chance he'll fall to the second day of the draft (rounds four-seven).

"I'm pretty happy (about being projected in the third round), but I won't be emphatic until it happens in the draft," Gocong said.

i actually like the pick now. he can play olb/de.
Kiper had him going in the 2nd round. He has a tape around yahoo somewhere. Dude looks like an absolute beast. I'm happy with the pick and simply think we had the best draft of any team.

In the 4th I could see D. Williams, but I'd much rather see Darnell Bing or Ko Simpson to replae B Dawk in a few yrs or M. Lewis if we cant get him signed long-term.

I also wouldnt mind seeing Max-Jean Gilles massive guard from Georgia, cant believe he is still on the board. Lastly, I would like to see a KR taken and a big FB to replace that pitful Parry later in rounds 5-6.

[Dirty Ernie]

i didn't read any page before this but i love andy reid's mentality of building from the line out, even if they aren't sexy picks

[Dirty Ernie]

by the way the eagles and flyers have their own threads....

[mat1419]

by the way the eagles and flyers have their own threads....
mwhahahaha

[justinevans]

Kiper had him going in the 2nd round. He has a tape around yahoo somewhere. Dude looks like an absolute beast. I'm happy with the pick and simply think we had the best draft of any team.

In the 4th I could see D. Williams, but I'd much rather see Darnell Bing or Ko Simpson to replae B Dawk in a few yrs or M. Lewis if we cant get him signed long-term.

I also wouldnt mind seeing Max-Jean Gilles massive guard from Georgia, cant believe he is still on the board. Lastly, I would like to see a KR taken and a big FB to replace that pitful Parry later in rounds 5-6.

bing is too slow and doesn't cover well.

[justinevans]

great way to start the fourth...add a big guard and a decent wr in avant.

[Dirty Ernie]

i would grade them a B+ right now

[justinevans]

Avant was an easy and enjoyable receiver to grade because his limitations are strictly in terms of his explosiveness and top-end playing speed. He has the size, strength, hands, competitiveness and all-around athleticism that is ideal for a No. 2 possession receiver. He is going to need to learn to use his hands much better to defeat cornerback jams in order to be a productive receiver in the NFL. For a receiver who lacks true explosiveness, his ability to burst out of cuts and get a step of separation on short/medium routes is surprising. He has the hands to reach out and make tough catches seem routine, and even though he will at times body catch some passes within his frame, he consistently catches those ball well also. Overall, Avant's lack of explosion and elite playing speed will hinder his ability to consistently get separation vs. good NFL cornerbacks and will keep him from becoming a No. 1 receiver. However, he has all the tools to be a good starting No. 2 receiver who will be most effective as a possession-type receiver that will make a lot of catches in traffic and will always be a strong runner after the catch who breaks tackles and gains yards after contact.


I grade them an A to A-. We have fulfilled our needs. Though they are not "sexy" picks they are all high quality and value picks.

[Dirty Ernie]

everyone thing i've read or seen so far has all 4 eagles picks so far as steals

and 3 of them will probably start this year with the trade of artis hicks

[Johnny_G]

I love the Avant pick. He comes from the Big 10 where he was playing against top quality defenses all year long and managed to catch 82 balls for over 1000 yards and 8 tds in just 12 games. Sure he doesnt have the explosiveness, but in our offense good possession receivers are what we need. Great great great pick in the 4th round.

I think we got exceptional value for all of our picks so far. Andy Reid can flat out build teams through the draft, and this year is no different.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

i didn't read any page before this but i love andy reid's mentality of building from the line out, even if they aren't sexy picks
The Eagles just set a record:

Fattest guard tandem in the NFL. Shawn Andrews and Max Jean-Gilles are fucking HUGE.

Edit: My fault, does Andrews play guard or tackle?

[Johnny_G]

The Eagles just set a record:

Fattest guard tandem in the NFL. Shawn Andrews and Max Jean-Gilles are fucking HUGE.

Edit: My fault, does Andrews play guard or tackle?
Andrews will play G. But he has the flexibility to play either. Runyan and Thomas will start the season as tackles with Justice hopefully right on their heels.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Andrews will play G. But he has the flexibility to play either. Runyan and Thomas will start the season as tackles with Justice hopefully right on their heels.
Andrews and Jean-Gilles combined have to be about 700 pounds. That's unheard of. But I hope it works out for them.

[mat1419]

All said it looks like a great draft on paper...we got a bunch of picks further down than they were supposed to be, so the value is through the roof. the offense is still under the spotlight and more than anything, the guys from last year need to forget about last year and play like they used to play. almost july...