Mexico Legalizes Drug Possession

[Animalhill]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/world/americas/21mexico.html
I think the results that this brings in Mexico's crime rate with greatly impact future U.S action with drug policy. *crosses fingers*

[bung]

Wow, so awesome.

Come on America, it's fucking Mexico here. Get with the program.

[Machu505]

Hello deescalation of the Mexican Drug War.

[Animalhill]

Wow, so awesome.

Come on America, it's fucking Mexico here. Get with the program.
I kind of want to throw a siesta to celebrate!
Hello deescalation of the Mexican Drug War.
EXACTLY. Now American crime will most likely jump near the boarders, as Americans will now try and go to Mexico to obtain/use the substance. Hopefully this will cause us to follow in their footsteps when god doesn't come down and fist fuck their president.

[Machu505]

I kind of want to throw a siesta to celebrate!
A sleepover?

[Animalhill]

A sleepover?
hahahahahaha
*fiesta*

[Machu505]

hahahahahaha
*fiesta*
A sleepover counts as a party I guess!

[Animalhill]

A sleepover counts as a party I guess!
I guess as long as it now involves a plethora of drugs in the amount range of "personal"?
In all seriousness though, if this is successful, it COULD change global policy on drugs.

[bung]

5 grams is a little stingy for marijuana "personal use." I imagine that amount will be a little more lenient in practice.

[Animalhill]

5 grams is a little stingy for marijuana "personal use." I imagine that amount will be a little more lenient in practice.
Exactly what I was thinking. Is it 5 gs accross the board or vary by drug? Haven't had a chance to read that article thoroughly yet.

[denissuxx]

This is ridiculous.

Edit: Yet awesome.

[Animalhill]

This is ridiculous.

Edit: Yet awesome.
Why? I believe this is what needs to happen worldwide. Eliminate the blackmarket (in terms of drugs)

[Manicapathy]

http://www.demotivateus.com/posters/drugs-make-us-dance-awesome-demotivational-poster.jpg

[denissuxx]

Why? I believe this is what needs to happen worldwide. Eliminate the blackmarket (in terms of drugs)

Not saying I don't agree with it (I do - for the reason you mentioned), I'm just saying it's an unusual move that would never happen in UK/US/developed country.

[Animalhill]

Not saying I don't agree with it (I do - for the reason you mentioned), I'm just saying it's an unusual move that would never happen in UK/US/developed country.
I don't agree. I think if this dramatically lowers Mexico's drug-related crime, the world will follow suit.

[Machu505]

I guess as long as it now involves a plethora of drugs in the amount range of "personal"?
In all seriousness though, if this is successful, it COULD change global policy on drugs.
Don't all sleepovers include hard drugs?

[Machu505]

Not saying I don't agree with it (I do - for the reason you mentioned), I'm just saying it's an unusual move that would never happen in UK/US/developed country.
Except, you know, the Netherlands.

[Animalhill]

Don't all sleepovers include hard drugs?
Yes. :-d
Except, you know, the Netherlands.
THIS.

[Brand-new-123]

Exactly what I was thinking. Is it 5 gs accross the board or vary by drug? Haven't had a chance to read that article thoroughly yet.
It varies by drug :
The maximum amount of marijuana considered to be for “personal use” under the new law is 5 grams — the equivalent of about four marijuana cigarettes. Other limits are half a gram of cocaine, 50 milligrams of heroin, 40 milligrams for methamphetamine and 0.015 milligrams of LSD.

[Animalhill]

It varies by drug :
Right on. Mad thanks. LSD amount is BULLSHIT though. Whatever, I can't bitch about this event at all. Very, very excited.

[Machu505]

Yes. :-d

THIS.
I've always said that the true American Dream is to one day be able to get stoned in your PJs.

[Animalhill]

I've always said that the true American Dream is to one day be able to get stoned in your PJs.
As long as they are the full-body type. Footies + drugs = gooooood time.

[denissuxx]

I don't agree. I think if this dramatically lowers Mexico's drug-related crime, the world will follow suit.

I'd replAce 'will' with 'may eventually', bet yeah. Also, it's a big 'if'.

/imapessimist

Except, you know, the Netherlands.

Score.

[Animalhill]

I'd replAce 'will' with 'may eventually', bet yeah. Also, it's a big 'if'.

/imapessimist



Score.
Well, I guess political policy not changing in the face of reason is not atypical, but let us hope, brothers, sisters, let us hope.
:-d

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

haha i think some of those drugs would derimental to the "sleep" part of the sleepover fiesta

[Brand-new-123]

So it turns out it really isn't that big of a deal.
Mexican authorities said the change only recognized the longstanding practice here of not prosecuting people caught with small amounts of drugs.

[Skadrist]

Colombia did this a while back and it didn't really do much in solving the problems of the War on drugs.

[denissuxx]

Well, I guess political policy not changing in the face of reason is not atypical, but let us hope, brothers, sisters, let us hope.
:-d

junkie!

[nonamesleft]

Interesting.

[zach]

I'm probably going to face a huge shitstorm for this, but the idea of being able to openly posses a smallbag of blow really makes me want to visit mexico.

[Sventhegreat]

Not saying I don't agree with it (I do - for the reason you mentioned), I'm just saying it's an unusual move that would never happen in UK/US/developed country.

I definitely agree with you there, this is something that could never be pushed through Congress or parliament.

[xXTheKeeshXx]

I really, really hope this goes well. A small amount of pot should not be able to send you to jail for the night (like it does here in texas) or land you with a 100 dollar fine.. what with how harmless a small amount of pot really is.

[Roboman]

Hah, amusing how people thought this would change anything. C'mon, it's Mexico.

[CarouselBoy]

Colombia did this a while back and it didn't really do much in solving the problems of the War on drugs.

that's different though since A. Colombia doesn't have a border with the US B. Colombia doesn't have a huge drug problem with drug use within the country and C. It's been years since exportation of drugs to the US largely moved from Colombia to Mexico.

Allowing people in Colombia to have small amounts of drugs isn't gonna do anything for the War on Drugs because Colombia, or Mexico in this case, exports to the US. US consumption (demand) is the problem.

[Richard Maxim]

I don't agree. I think if this dramatically lowers Mexico's drug-related crime, the world will follow suit.

You are a smart man.

[GuitarR0cker1]

Viva Mexico! Viva Zapata!

[Machu505]

This is Merica. Speak Merican.

[poseidon0513]

a weight limit on lsd? they are going to whip out a scale and weigh the blotter?

[GuitarR0cker1]

This is Merica. Speak Merican.
No hablo Merican.:-(

[Machu505]

No hablo Merican.:-(
Parles-tu le français? We accept that froggy shit down in good ol' Louisiana.

[vodyanoj]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/world/americas/21mexico.html
I think the results that this brings in Mexico's crime rate with greatly impact future U.S action with drug policy. *crosses fingers*

That is brillliant, and a step in the right direction Don't hold your breath waiting for USA to do something like that, though. We are not "with the program", unless the program is reactionary.

[billyboatkid]

Wow, just wow.

[Codi23]

Well, this should be interesting...

The states should keep an eye on this; kind of like a model to relate to if we ever do the same (legalizing). We'll see what happens I suppose.

[Metal Now]

This is awesome, let's hope that the U.K and U.S. pay close attention to what happens here.

[Animalhill]

I'm probably going to face a huge shitstorm for this, but the idea of being able to openly posses a smallbag of blow really makes me want to visit mexico.
Me too!
junkie!
:-d
I definitely agree with you there, this is something that could never be pushed through Congress or parliament.
Why?
You are a smart man.
Sarcasm?
a weight limit on lsd? they are going to whip out a scale and weigh the blotter?
Right? There's no way they could accurately measure a hit on a paper tab.
That is brillliant, and a step in the right direction Don't hold your breath waiting for USA to do something like that, though. We are not "with the program", unless the program is reactionary.
Well technically, if we follow suit in lieu of Mexico's drug related crimes plummeting, it would be reactionary.
Wow, just wow.
Exactly.

[abcdefghijake]

A sleepover?
My thought exactly...

[Animalhill]

My thought exactly...
Why do you ruin threads? Why?

[abcdefghijake]

Why do you bitch allllllllllllllllllll daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

[Animalhill]

Why do you bitch allllllllllllllllllll daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
I work all day. Everyday.
You were most definitely a dude the last time I verbally abused you. Sex change?

[yellowhouse]

Hello deescalation of the Mexican Drug War.

awesome avatar, she was one of the best characters in that movie. super attractive too.

[muttley]

Bad idea.

[vodyanoj]

Bad idea.

Decriminalization of any activity, as long as it is not violate the rights of others, is a good idea by definition, unless you are one of those who believes that freedom = badness.

[Animalhill]

Bad idea.
How can you possibly believe that?

[muttley]

How can you possibly believe that?

Just seems like this is going to make the drug issue worse, mainly to the states that border Mexico. No?

[Animalhill]

Bad idea.

Just seems like this is going to make the drug issue worse, mainly to the states that border Mexico. No?
On the contrary, it will almost certainly reduce the drug-related crimes for border states.

[Richard Maxim]

Sarcasm?

No, I really do agree with you.

[KidRobot]

I don't agree. I think if this dramatically lowers Mexico's drug-related crime, the world will follow suit.

Making drugs legal would make the drug-related crime go down, yeah.

Also making murder legal would greatly reduce the amount of people arrested for murders.

[Animalhill]

No, I really do agree with you.
haha word. My ability to sense tone over the internet is nonexistent.
Making drugs legal would make the drug-related crime go down, yeah.
If they are legal- what happens to the black market/gangs that rely on the transportation and sale of drugs to thrive? Yeah.

[Machu505]

awesome avatar, she was one of the best characters in that movie. super attractive too.
Yeeees. She even had a beautiful fake name: Emmanuelle Mimieux. :-d

Can't wait to see it again.

[apsterling]

If they are legal- what happens to the black market/gangs that rely on the transportation and sale of drugs to thrive? Yeah.

They shift that activity to other illegal items.

[Richard Maxim]

haha word. My ability to sense tone over the internet is nonexistent.

For all i know, you could have a sarcastic tone right now. Horrible at that as well.

[Animalhill]

They shift that activity to other illegal items.
To what? K'Nex?
For all i know, you could have a sarcastic tone right now. Horrible at that as well.
haha true. But I don't.

[Machu505]

Can't wait for the Mexican K'Nex War.

[Animalhill]

Can't wait for the Mexican K'Nex War.
:-d Same. Stock up on your legos kids- pretty soon, that shit will be CURRENCY.

[apsterling]

To what? K'Nex?

Like who can deal the most drugs to the most people. It'll become a capitalist profit war now on the semi-legal drugs. They'll still possess more than legal amounts and sell them to people, and as such there'll be battles between cartels over sales. It's not going to just end here. Although I'm in agreement that this is a first step, I think that fighting over drugs will never all out end.

[Animalhill]

Like who can deal the most drugs to the most people. It'll become a capitalist profit war now on the semi-legal drugs. They'll still possess more than legal amounts and sell them to people, and as such there'll be battles between cartels over sales. It's not going to just end here. Although I'm in agreement that this is a first step, I think that fighting over drugs will never all out end.
If they all-out legalize them, and produce and package them like to the appropriate age group (like alcohol) such a thing would happen.

[apsterling]

If they all-out legalize them, and produce and package them like to the appropriate age group (like alcohol) such a thing would happen.

I guess, to an extent. The fighting will shift dynamics to politics from physical fighting, but I see where you're coming from. I think there's more to it than that, the cartels won't want to let go of the "control" on the "market", but I'm kinda half-assing my thinking through it at the moment. I could be wrong too.

I think the governments need to gradually shift the dynamic to lever it- it can't be a switch being flipped. Plus the US (moreso than any other country, as far as I can tell on my limited observation) needs to de-romanticize the entire concept of drug use, to lower the need for medical programs- if people understand the risks and follow that appropriately (obviously some target market won't), and people don't treat it as big shit (in the vein of high schools and "cool kids", which is how I've seen it) then it should be possible without too much medical coverage on the matter. They could also use taxes to fund the proposed Healthcare plans.

[Animalhill]

I guess, to an extent. The fighting will shift dynamics to politics from physical fighting, but I see where you're coming from. I think there's more to it than that, the cartels won't want to let go of the "control" on the "market", but I'm kinda half-assing my thinking through it at the moment. I could be wrong too.

I think the governments need to gradually shift the dynamic to lever it- it can't be a switch being flipped. Plus the US (moreso than any other country, as far as I can tell on my limited observation) needs to de-romanticize the entire concept of drug use, to lower the need for medical programs- if people understand the risks and follow that appropriately (obviously some target market won't), and people don't treat it as big shit (in the vein of high schools and "cool kids", which is how I've seen it) then it should be possible without too much medical coverage on the matter. They could also use taxes to fund the proposed Healthcare plans.
This brings into light a whole other argument entirely.
But think about it:
Say drug lords have spent the last hundred years buying and selling the illegal substance of Lays Potato Chips, and then one day, the government legalized the chips, and let companies package and sell them in grocery stores. Who would then bother buying more expensive chips off the street when they are cheaper and manufactured by a (relatively) more reliable source? No one.

[Jefferson Rank]

Sweet. I hope things follow suit, at least with weed, in the US

California first, hopefully. I don't know if it'll get any further then that.

[Animalhill]

California first, hopefully. I don't know if it'll get any further then that.
I disagree. At the very least, our government has proven itself to be reactionary, so if the legalization yields positive results, I cannot see why a country-wide (ie federal) lift of the prohibition on drugs is that farfetched.

[My Broken Fever]

I disagree. At the very least, our government has proven itself to be reactionary, so if the legalization yields positive results, I cannot see why a country-wide (ie federal) lift of the prohibition on drugs is that farfetched. That would be assuming humanity is even slightly aware of the fly buzzing around our heads called 'logic'.

[Animalhill]

That would be assuming humanity is even slightly aware of the fly buzzing around our heads called 'logic'.
...but this would be the equivalent of a fly buzzing inside of our mouths. Still, let us hope, my friend.

[Jefferson Rank]

I disagree. At the very least, our government has proven itself to be reactionary, so if the legalization yields positive results, I cannot see why a country-wide (ie federal) lift of the prohibition on drugs is that farfetched.

The reason why I don't think it'll get that far is because of people who think that pot makes you kill yourself. I've talked to people who think that. It's kind of sad.

[Animalhill]

The reason why I don't think it'll get that far is because of people who think that pot makes you kill yourself. I've talked to people who think that. It's kind of sad.
Its unbelievably sad- but some people hold the same perception of alcohol.
But then again, Pharmaceutical companies aren't threatened by booze...

[Jefferson Rank]

Its unbelievably sad- but some people hold the same perception of alcohol.
But then again, Pharmaceutical companies aren't threatened by booze...

If anything, I think Pharmaceutical companies should jump on the industry the second it's legal. There's a killing to be made.

[Animalhill]

If anything, I think Pharmaceutical companies should jump on the industry the second it's legal. There's a killing to be made.
Not when it threatens the sale of their pills. Do you even understand how much of a FUCKING KILLING they are making of us? Simply by giving us pills that dampen our symptoms (opposed to addressing the root of the issue).

[GeeBee]

Not when it threatens the sale of their pills. Do you even understand how much of a FUCKING KILLING they are making of us? Simply by giving us pills that dampen our symptoms (opposed to addressing the root of the issue).

I don't care what anyone says...RESTLESS LEG SYNDROME is NOT REAL. It just sounds too looney to have not been made up by big-pharma.

[Animalhill]

I don't care what anyone says...RESTLESS LEG SYNDROME is NOT REAL. It just sounds too looney to have not been made up by big-pharma.
:-d So true. Maybe legs are restless because we work the majority of our lives away, and they are itching to wander- like we were meant to.

[GeeBee]

:-d So true. Maybe legs are restless because we work the majority of our lives away, and they are itching to wander- like we were meant to.

Plus, I can think of a few more ahem...appendages...that are far more restless than legs are.

You don't have schizo. You're simply suffering from Restless Jew Syndrome.

[Animalhill]

Plus, I can think of a few more ahem...appendages...that are far more restless than legs are.

You don't have schizo. You're simply suffering from Restless Jew Syndrome.
:-d I fail to see however how this would account for visual and auditory halucenations.

[GeeBee]

:-d I fail to see however how this would account for visual and auditory halucenations.

"Why, gee, sonny...we gotz some pills for them symptums, too!"

[Animalhill]

"Why, gee, sonny...we gotz some pills for them symptums, too!"
:-d

[KidRobot]

If they are legal- what happens to the black market/gangs that rely on the transportation and sale of drugs to thrive? Yeah.

Uhhh...thats the shittiest logic I've ever heard.

If murder is legal, what happens to the murderers?

They're still selling DRUGS, which are BAD, so the governments do NOT want us to use them.

[Animalhill]

Uhhh...thats the shittiest logic I've ever heard.

If murder is legal, what happens to the murderers?

They're still selling DRUGS, which are BAD, so the governments do NOT want us to use them.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Praetor]

Uhhh...thats the shittiest logic I've ever heard.

If murder is legal, what happens to the murderers?

They're still selling DRUGS, which are BAD, so the governments do NOT want us to use them.
http://stopsocialism.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/chris-weston-big-brother-hey-oscar.jpg

[Machu505]

"Drugs bad. Vegetables good."

Latest DARE campaign.

[Animalhill]

"Drugs bad. Vegetables good."

Latest DARE campaign.
:gunhead:

[bung]

"Drugs bad. Vegetables good."

Latest DARE campaign.

Buahahaha, it's like they're not even trying anymore.

[Animalhill]

Buahahaha, it's like they're not even trying anymore.
haha right? At least pretend you're addressing three dimensional people.

[KidRobot]

http://stopsocialism.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/chris-weston-big-brother-hey-oscar.jpg

Correct response.

We're all fucked.

[GeeBee]

haha right? At least pretend you're addressing three dimensional people.

What can you expect. It's probably from the same people who brought us such gems as:

"Be cool. Follow the Rules."
"Stay cool. Stay in school."
"Drugs are wack. Stay off crack."

....

Ok, fine...I made the last one up. But the first two were prevalent in my elementary school days.

[Animalhill]

Correct response.

We're all fucked up.
fixed ;-)

[Animalhill]

What can you expect. It's probably from the same people who brought us such gems as:

"Be cool. Follow the Rules."
"Stay cool. Stay in school."
"Drugs are wack. Stay off crack."

....

Ok, fine...I made the last one up. But the first two were prevalent in my elementary school days.
hahahahaha you are the man. I remember DARE class. I distinctly remember them telling us the "horrifying" effects of LSD, and I raised my hand and asked, "Where can I find this, and how much does it cost?"

[Praetor]

Correct response.

We're all fucked.
Seriously cannot tell if you are joking.

[KidRobot]

Seriously cannot tell if you are joking.


...

[Praetor]

...
Hey, thanks for the clarification.

[KidRobot]

Hey, thanks for the clarification.

Clearly not serious.

[Praetor]

Obviously not "clearly."

[Animalhill]

Clearly not serious.
Whew- I am so relieved to know you don't actually believe what you originally posted. I thought you were serious as well.

[GeeBee]

hahahahaha you are the man. I remember DARE class. I distinctly remember them telling us the "horrifying" effects of LSD, and I raised my hand and asked, "Where can I find this, and how much does it cost?"
:-d
Yep. I'm one of those who believes that the more you mystify it to children (whether it be guns, drugs, sex), the more they're going to want it. Demystify it and stop paying so much lipservice to NOT doing it...and the children will quickly lose interest.

[Animalhill]

:-d
Yep. I'm one of those who believes that the more you mystify it to children (whether it be guns, drugs, sex), the more they're going to want it. Demystify it and stop paying so much lipservice to NOT doing it...and the children will quickly lose interest.
Exaclty. I would say that DARE is 10% of the reason I started doing drugs when I was young... and 90% because I'm Russian :-d

[GeeBee]

Exaclty. I would say that DARE is 10% of the reason I started doing drugs when I was young... and 90% because I'm Russian :-d

and another 5% because you're an obstinate jew.

P.S. From now on, when I'm watching Goodfellas, and Joe Pesci is talking about the jewish broad that he wants to get with, I'm going to imagine that it's your sister. I don't know if you have one, but be forewarned. I just thought of that because I watched goodfellas last weekend.

[Animalhill]

and another 5% because you're an obstinate jew.

P.S. From now on, when I'm watching Goodfellas, and Joe Pesci is talking about the jewish broad that he wants to get with, I'm going to imagine that it's your sister. I don't know if you have one, but be forewarned. I just thought of that because I watched goodfellas last weekend.
Hahaha well... I do have a half sister that I am very close with. HOWEVER, we share a non-Jewish half ;-)

[GeeBee]

Hahaha well... I do have a half sister that I am very close with. HOWEVER, we share a non-Jewish half ;-)

Well, DARE to keep kids off Goodfellas.

[Animalhill]

Well, DARE to keep kids off Goodfellas.
Did you get that quote from a KKK website?

[vodyanoj]

Making drugs legal would make the drug-related crime go down, yeah.

Also making murder legal would greatly reduce the amount of people arrested for murders.

false analogy. Murder violates other person's rights. Getting high does not. And I say that as someone who only consumes alcohol and tobacco nowadays.

[GeeBee]

false analogy. Murder violates other person's rights. Getting high does not. And I say that as someone who only consumes alcohol and tobacco nowadays.

Which in my mind, if we're GOING to make ANY substances illegal, should come long before pot or heroin based on numbers killed and cost to society.

[vodyanoj]

Not when it threatens the sale of their pills. Do you even understand how much of a FUCKING KILLING they are making of us? Simply by giving us pills that dampen our symptoms (opposed to addressing the root of the issue).

Precisely. Since one cannot patent a naturally occurring substance, the pharma wil (and has been doing so!) resist it to the last, the same way they resist allowing cheaper (medical) drugs to cross the border.

[bung]

http://library.thinkquest.org/C0115926/drugs/Bayer-heroin.jpghttp://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/opi016a.jpg

Something too many people are not aware of.

[vodyanoj]

Which in my mind, if we're GOING to make ANY substances illegal, should come long before pot or heroin based on numbers killed and cost to society.

Absolutely. I have never claimed to be smart in my lifechoices. Actually, a little bit of weed here and there would not be such a bad idea for me, but I live in Oregon, where drug-testing is wide-spread and mandatory. Pain in the ass, invasion of privacy, and all that. They don't test me for liver damage now do they?

[vodyanoj]

Something too many people are not aware of.

Scientific American had an article about histoy of drugs (in particular, opiates) in America several years back. My favourite image was the label from Heroin cough drops: "Dosage: 5 drops before meals, 3 times a day. For children under five, two drops."

[GeeBee]

Absolutely. I have never claimed to be smart in my lifechoices. Actually, a little bit of weed here and there would not be such a bad idea for me, but I live in Oregon, where drug-testing is wide-spread and mandatory. Pain in the ass, invasion of privacy, and all that. They don't test me for liver damage now do they?

Don't worry, I don't judge. I'm just saying the rationale is all wacked out.

Russian speakers, in Oregon? Near Eugene, no doubt ;-)

[vodyanoj]

Don't worry, I don't judge. I'm just saying the rationale is all wacked out.

Russian speakers, in Oregon? Near Eugene, no doubt ;-)

There are plenty of Russians (and Ukrainians) here, but most of them are either the mob or Seventh-day Adventists (or other, more obscure sects).

Жлобы, хамы и тупицы. Then again, I have never been fond of the Russian emigres in USA. The best ones stayed behind, to fight the good fight, with few exceptions.

[GeeBee]

There are plenty of Russians (and Ukrainians) here, but most of them are either the mob or Seventh-day Adventists (or other, more obscure sects).

Жлобы, хамы и тупицы. Then again, I have never been fond of the Russian emigres in USA. The best ones stayed behind, to fight the good fight, with few exceptions.

У нас в Солт-Лэйке куча еврейских имигрантов из Одессы. Смешные такие.

Agreed for the most part about the "best ones".

[vodyanoj]

У нас в Солт-Лэйке куча еврейских имигрантов из Одессы. Смешные такие.

Agreed for the most part about the "best ones".

Jews in the midst of mormonism? Ouch!

But Odessa is a funny city, and I like Odessans, by and large, despite their criminal predilections...

[GeeBee]

Jews in the midst of mormonism? Ouch!

But Odessa is a funny city, and I like Odessans, by and large, despite their criminal predilections...

Haha, that's what makes it so funny!

True...amongst the other russian speakers who have no sense of humor...they stick out like sore thumbs, always lulzing in huge groups.

[vodyanoj]

Haha, that's what makes it so funny!

True...amongst the other russian speakers who have no sense of humor...they stick out like sore thumbs, always lulzing in huge groups.

That's their Jewishness. Jews are among the funniest people in the world (as long as they stay out of Israel). My grandfather was full of Jewish jokes, some of which involved Nazis and were beyond black humour. I think it was a coping mechanism, and I can't say I have a problem with it: I use laughter to cope all the time. Better than violence!

[Tead42]

Back to the topic, if the U.S. did legalize marijuana, would they tax it? And what would happen if they caught drug dealers who grew their own, throw them in jail? There's a lot of unanswered questions that would need to be presented if anything like this happened.
For the record I fully support weed legalization.

[GeeBee]

Back to the topic, if the U.S. did legalize marijuana, would they tax it? And what would happen if they caught drug dealers who grew their own, throw them in jail? There's a lot of unanswered questions that would need to be presented if anything like this happened.
For the record I fully support weed legalization.

Seconded.

[bung]

Legalize, regulate, and tax ever so lightly.

[Tead42]

Seconded.
And make the drinking age back down to 18, God, America is retarded.

[MyNameIsRoss]

Fuck yeah, let's learn from our amigos south of the border.

[Machu505]

And make the drinking age back down to 18, God, America is retarded.
Don't forget about prostitution.

[bung]

And gambling!

/even though indian reservations allow me to gamble anytime i want

[GeeBee]

And make the drinking age back down to 18, God, America is retarded.

Old enough to die for your country= old enough to tilt one back.

[Tead42]

Don't forget about prostitution.
So, you approve of the drinking age being 21?
Well yeah, there's so much more drinking problems in Europe than America in that 3 year span.
Teh netz sarcasm.

[Machu505]

Old enough to die for your country= old enough to tilt one back.
And pay someone to fuck you.

So, you approve of the drinking age being 21?
Well yeah, there's so much more drinking problems in Europe than America in that 3 year span.
Teh netz sarcasm.
I think it's the socialism. You know those pinkos and their drinking problems.

[Tead42]

I think it's the socialism. You know those pinkos and their drinking problems.
Please don't be that ignorant, I'm liberal on social problems(i.e. abortion, gay rights, drug legalization) but economically, I'm very conservative.

[Tead42]

I think it's the socialism. You know those pinkos and their drinking problems.
Also, if you forgot, the legal drinking age in the U.S. was 18 up until 1984; that piece of legislation was mainly passed because of MADD. By all means, I'm glad they made drinking and driving "uncool," but the fact is, the drinking age being 18 is outdated, even if it is only 25 years old. That's my $.02

[Machu505]

Also, if you forgot, the legal drinking age in the U.S. was 18 up until 1984; that piece of legislation was mainly passed because of MADD. By all means, I'm glad they made drinking and driving "uncool," but the fact is, the drinking age being 18 is outdated, even if it is only 25 years old. That's my $.02
Wait what are you even trying to prove? I want the drinking age to be lowered too.

Did you think I was being sarcastic about legalizing prostitution?

[vodyanoj]

Back to the topic, if the U.S. did legalize marijuana, would they tax it? And what would happen if they caught drug dealers who grew their own, throw them in jail? There's a lot of unanswered questions that would need to be presented if anything like this happened.
For the record I fully support weed legalization.

Sure, tax it and make it a cash crop. The barriers to entry should be low, and the taxes, moderate (some kind of a vice tax would probably be levied; much as I hate those things, they already have them on tobacco and alcohol). The growers would probably be required to sell to distributors; distribution and re-sale would require another kind of a license. I know, it all sounds unnecessarily complicated and bureaucratical but I am afraid it would be the only way it would happen. It would be, after all fully controlled by FDA and would have to satisfy all kinds of quality checks...

[Tead42]

Sure, taxs it and make it a cash crop. The barriers to enrty should be low, and the taxes, moderate (some kind of a vice tax would probably be levied; much as I hate those things, they already have them on tobacco and alcohol). The growers would prbobably required to sell to distributors; distribution and re-sale would require another kind of a license. I know, it all sounds unnecessarily complicated and bureaucratical but I am afraid it would be the only way it would happen. It would be, after all fully controlled by FDA and would have to satisfy all kinds of quality checks...
Yeah that sounds like the reasonable choice they'd have to make, plus it would create jobs.

[saysmydoctor]

When people say tax it, they make marijuana sound like a cash source for the government. I don't like that idea. The government should only be taxing so that they can cover the costs of growing it, etc, etc. A person who grows it/sells it, much like an insurance company, is charging some sort of overhead/profiting. I don't think the government should be doing that.

[Tead42]

When people say tax it, they make marijuana sound like a cash source for the government. I don't like that idea. The government should only be taxing so that they can cover the costs of growing it, etc, etc. A person who grows it/sells it, much like an insurance company, is charging some sort of overhead/profiting. I don't think the government should be doing that.
Elaborate, please, I'm interested.

[saysmydoctor]

Elaborate, please, I'm interested.
I'm for legalization, I think it would save the government a lot of money in the long run, I don't agree with the government doing it for profit.

Government-run programs generally are cheaper, simply due to the fact that the government doesn't have to charge overhead and work to make a profit. So if the government were to begin to sell marijuana, that's fine. What I don't agree with is them taxing it so much that actually raise the price--which I see the potential of with high taxation that I think some are proposing. Taxing should only be done to cover the cost of maintenance of such a program: growing, distribution, operation. Beyond that, the government should have no profit motive. Not everything has to make a profit.

[Tead42]

I'm for legalization, I think it would save the government a lot of money in the long run, I don't agree with the government doing it for profit.

Government-run programs generally are cheaper, simply due to the fact that the government doesn't have to charge overhead and work to make a profit. So if the government were to begin to sell marijuana, that's fine. What I don't agree with is them taxing it so much that actually raise the price--which I see the potential of with high taxation that I think some are proposing. Taxing should only be done to cover the cost of maintenance of such a program: growing, distribution, operation. Beyond that, the government should have no profit motive. Not everything has to make a profit.
Okay I agree with that.

[yellowhouse]

Yeeees. She even had a beautiful fake name: Emmanuelle Mimieux. :-d

Can't wait to see it again.

It's true, actually I liked it better than her real name.

Haha, Ive seen it twice, and probably will see it again. So good!

[Animalhill]

I'm for legalization, I think it would save the government a lot of money in the long run, I don't agree with the government doing it for profit.

Government-run programs generally are cheaper, simply due to the fact that the government doesn't have to charge overhead and work to make a profit. So if the government were to begin to sell marijuana, that's fine. What I don't agree with is them taxing it so much that actually raise the price--which I see the potential of with high taxation that I think some are proposing. Taxing should only be done to cover the cost of maintenance of such a program: growing, distribution, operation. Beyond that, the government should have no profit motive. Not everything has to make a profit.
There's no way this would happen- their main incentive would be taking the biz out of drug dealer's hands, and to eliminate the black market, their prices would have to be cheaper. MUCH cheaper.

[vodyanoj]

There's no way this would happen- their main incentive would be taking the biz out of drug dealer's hands, and to eliminate the black market, their prices would have to be cheaper. MUCH cheaper.

The price of drugs is artificially inflated anyway. Once legalized,the price will drop leaving a comfortable margin to impose taxes on it and still keep it below present level. I roll my own cigarettes: and the tax on loose tobacco have gone up this year from something like $1.50/pound to $24/pound. And nobody really peeped.

[Animalhill]

The price of drugs is artificially inflated anyway. Once legalized,the price will drop leaving a comfortable margin to impose taxes on it and still keep it below present level. I roll my own cigarettes: and the tax on loose tobacco have gone up this year from something like $1.50/pound to $24/pound. And nobody really peeped.
Regardless, I would be getting drugs cheaper, and legally from the government. Where is the incentive to pay more money and buy from an illegal source?

[vodyanoj]

Regardless, I would be getting drugs cheaper, and legally from the government. Where is the incentive to pay more money and buy from an illegal source?

Nowhere. That's the idea. Everyone benefits: the government gets a steady source of income; the user gets to pay less and not be harrassed by the police; and the crime associated with illegal trade decreases.

Of course, the change in Mexican law does not address the source of the drugs: possession may be decriminalized, but the sale is still illegal...

[Zeran]

http://www.demotivateus.com/posters/drugs-make-us-dance-awesome-demotivational-poster.jpg

every person in that photo is fucking disgusting, haha.

[mattmatumbo]

Regardless, I would be getting drugs cheaper, and legally from the government. Where is the incentive to pay more money and buy from an illegal source?

Yeah, i agree, but i originally read this as "where's the incentive to not by from an illegal source?" and i thought... nothing really, aside from going to jail, which if you're smart isn't hard to avoid haha. It's about time that we got rid of these retarded laws that force people to break the law.

[Animalhill]

Nowhere. That's the idea. Everyone benefits: the government gets a steady source of income; the user gets to pay less and not be harrassed by the police; and the crime associated with illegal trade decreases.

Of course, the change in Mexican law does not address the source of the drugs: possession may be decriminalized, but the sale is still illegal...
Ok- we are more or less on the same page. I think I misunderstood your initial post.

[Animalhill]

Yeah, i agree, but i originally read this as "where's the incentive to not by from an illegal source?" and i thought... nothing really, aside from going to jail, which if you're smart isn't hard to avoid haha. It's about time that we got rid of these retarded laws that force people to break the law.
Exactly. For instance, I have absolutely NOTHING on my criminal record- not even a fucking speeding ticket (which, I admit, is rather amazing considering my past habits), and yet I break the law just about every single day so that I can relax after 9 hours of work.

[GeeBee]

Exactly. For instance, I have absolutely NOTHING on my criminal record- not even a fucking speeding ticket (which, I admit, is rather amazing considering my past habits), and yet I break the law just about every single day so that I can relax after 9 hours of work.

I'm telling on you. Yer BERNT now, jew.

[Animalhill]

I'm telling on you. Yer BERNT now, jew.
:-d

[GeeBee]

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