ESPN needs to get off Tad Idguchi's balls

[mikeford]

yeah sweet nice play... too bad when youre throwing out BENGIE MOLINA, any nice play you make is overshadowed by the fact that you could probably beat that dude to first if you were starting in left field. if its not molina running on that play, idguchi probably doesnt throw out anyone else in the league.

[wessa]

also, they shouldn't be going over the play because he FELL DOWN. The only reason it looked so amazing is that he tripped when scooping up the ball and was falling so he just randomly threw the ball. It's like when jeter caught the ball while running and then dove into the stands, blown way out of proportion.

[Broken Parachute]

also, they shouldn't be going over the play because he FELL DOWN. The only reason it looked so amazing is that he tripped when scooping up the ball and was falling so he just randomly threw the ball. It's like when jeter caught the ball while running and then dove into the stands, blown way out of proportion.

Finally, someone who I see eye to eye with on the Jeter play. People tell me I'm retarded when I say David Wright diving into the stands in Seattle was a better play than Jeter's catch. Jeter caught the ball in foul territory and almost broke his face jumping into the stands..couldn't he have slid into the wall or just stopped his momentum? He didn't have to spread out in midair and jump into the third row. Now Wright's catch he dove into the stands without even looking and caught the ball in midair. Then again..I could just be biased. I've heard every aexcuse why Jeter's was better: 1) Jeter's meant more, that game was important..Seattle and NY were out of the playoffs when Wright made that catch, 2) Jeter was heroic, he sacraficed himself for the team. I fucking hate Jeter.

Anyway, yeah..Iguchi's throw was nice and stuff, but if he hadn't fell it's just another routine play in the field. Plus, Molina runs like a snail.

[LeftWideOpen]

Finally, someone who I see eye to eye with on the Jeter play. People tell me I'm retarded when I say David Wright diving into the stands in Seattle was a better play than Jeter's catch. Jeter caught the ball in foul territory and almost broke his face jumping into the stands..couldn't he have slid into the wall or just stopped his momentum? He didn't have to spread out in midair and jump into the third row. Now Wright's catch he dove into the stands without even looking and caught the ball in midair. Then again..I could just be biased. I've heard every aexcuse why Jeter's was better: 1) Jeter's meant more, that game was important..Seattle and NY were out of the playoffs when Wright made that catch, 2) Jeter was heroic, he sacraficed himself for the team. I fucking hate Jeter.

Anyway, yeah..Iguchi's throw was nice and stuff, but if he hadn't fell it's just another routine play in the field. Plus, Molina runs like a snail.

Jeter's catch was basically the same catch that any catcher makes when they reach into the stands, minus the unnecessary, dramatic tumble at the end. if that were someone like j.j hardy of the milwaukee brewers , it woulda been like the #3 webgem of the night.

granted, it's still a webgem ...but not exactly the play of the year.

[wessa]

Finally, someone who I see eye to eye with on the Jeter play. People tell me I'm retarded when I say David Wright diving into the stands in Seattle was a better play than Jeter's catch. Jeter caught the ball in foul territory and almost broke his face jumping into the stands..couldn't he have slid into the wall or just stopped his momentum? He didn't have to spread out in midair and jump into the third row. Now Wright's catch he dove into the stands without even looking and caught the ball in midair. Then again..I could just be biased. I've heard every aexcuse why Jeter's was better: 1) Jeter's meant more, that game was important..Seattle and NY were out of the playoffs when Wright made that catch, 2) Jeter was heroic, he sacraficed himself for the team. I fucking hate Jeter.

Anyway, yeah..Iguchi's throw was nice and stuff, but if he hadn't fell it's just another routine play in the field. Plus, Molina runs like a snail.


DUDE, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. Wright sacrificed himself for the team more. He physically jumped into the stands WITHOUT THE BALL. He couldn't brace himself for the fall because he had to make the catch while in midair. Plus, wright dived into the stands of an opposing ballpark, where fans can do something crazy to him. I just watched the jeter video again on you tube. JETER WAS IN FAIR TERRITORY WHEN HE CAUGHT THE BALL!!!. He could have just slowed down, or slid on the ground, or veered to the right because the wall cut off to the right and there was more room, but instead he fucking runs into the stands and all of a sudden he is the best "team player" in the world. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!

[Broken Parachute]

Jeter's catch was basically the same catch that any catcher makes when they reach into the stands, minus the unnecessary, dramatic tumble at the end. if that were someone like j.j hardy of the milwaukee brewers , it woulda been like the #3 webgem of the night.

granted, it's still a webgem ...but not exactly the play of the year.

Agreed. I get sick when I hear that Jeter is a hero or shit like that. He's a good player, I just hate that everyone drools over him.

[LeftWideOpen]

DUDE, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. Wright sacrificed himself for the team more. He physically jumped into the stands WITHOUT THE BALL. He couldn't brace himself for the fall because he had to make the catch while in midair. Plus, wright dived into the stands of an opposing ballpark, where fans can do something crazy to him. I just watched the jeter video again on you tube. JETER WAS IN FAIR TERRITORY WHEN HE CAUGHT THE BALL!!!. He could have just slowed down, or slid on the ground, or veered to the right because the wall cut off to the right and there was more room, but instead he fucking runs into the stands and all of a sudden he is the best "team player" in the world. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!

jeter is a hell of a team player, let's not try and dispute that because it's clearly the case. he is the face of the yankees and deservedly so, but that's still the most overrated catch in recent memory.

[mikeford]

the jeter play is bullshit. ill argue to the death that he couldve braced himself on the wall.



that said, the one handed barehand dave wright catch from last year is the play of the century on defense.

[Broken Parachute]

DUDE, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. Wright sacrificed himself for the team more. He physically jumped into the stands WITHOUT THE BALL. He couldn't brace himself for the fall because he had to make the catch while in midair. Plus, wright dived into the stands of an opposing ballpark, where fans can do something crazy to him. I just watched the jeter video again on you tube. JETER WAS IN FAIR TERRITORY WHEN HE CAUGHT THE BALL!!!. He could have just slowed down, or slid on the ground, or veered to the right because the wall cut off to the right and there was more room, but instead he fucking runs into the stands and all of a sudden he is the best "team player" in the world. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!

Plus, Jeter's catch was the 'Play of the Year' but Wright's catch did not even make the Web Gems that night. I thought that was so bizzare..it wasn't a web gem. It was #1 on Sportscenter though. Wright's barehanded catch was still the best though. That's another thing I hate..Yankee fans who say "Showoff! He could have used his glove." Umm..watch the video, he would have dropped it or pulled a muscle if he tried to reach with his glove.

[Broken Parachute]

jeter is a hell of a team player, let's not try and dispute that because it's clearly the case. he is the face of the yankees and deservedly so, but that's still the most overrated catch in recent memory.

If I had to make any cases for Jeter..I would say his best play was the one in Oakland. That flip play was nuts and he jumped out of nowhere. Other than that, that dive into the stands catch is overrated.

[xearlynovemberx]

jeter is a hell of a team player, let's not try and dispute that because it's clearly the case. he is the face of the yankees and deservedly so, but that's still the most overrated catch in recent memory.

i hope some1 hits derek jeter in the face with a fastball

[ThriftWhore]

If I had to make any cases for Jeter..I would say his best play was the one in Oakland. That flip play was nuts and he jumped out of nowhere. Other than that, that dive into the stands catch is overrated.
Even that play I think is overrated a ton because of how many times it has been shown and repeated. Definetely a great play, but everything is blown our of proportion when you are in a Yankee uni.

Iguchi's play was pretty good, but like stated here, nothing special. I was actually worried sportscenter would have it as it's number one play instead of the teams honoring Jackie Robinson, it was number two, though.

[Flags of Dawn]

Ichiro's catch last year was ridiculous.

[hockey0001]

the jeter play is bullshit. ill argue to the death that he couldve braced himself on the wall.



Kinda like Pokey Reese did earlier in the same game. He made basically the exact same catch, maybe even a little better, and because he was capable of stopping before diving into the stands it gets overlooked.

[kshtoinks12]

everyone stopped bitching
there's a reason jeter's play is one of the greatest of all time, and its not from his fucking image

Derek Jeter's play was the definiation of maximimum effort
who cares of it was possible for him to stop
who cares if pokey reese was going faster.
he didn't want to slam his face into the seats, thats for sure.
jeter is the ideal baseball player, he has it all.
david wright's catch was great and is comparable to jeter's, and he did sacrifice his body, in my opinion i'd take jeter's but its very very arguable.
how can any bad talk jeter? it's just pure red sox/mets nation trying to down play the yankee's domination

[Flags of Dawn]

yeah they sure have dominated the last few years...whatever.

[kshtoinks12]

yeah they sure have dominated the last few years...whatever.
i'd call making the playoffs for the past 10 years dominating

[mikeford]

greatest of all time? youre smoking rock.

[bigmike]

Derek Jeter's play was the definiation of maximimum effort
And stupidity. you stop when you can stop you don't go face first into a seat if you can avoid it. And he's from my hometown so i defend him as much as I can. it was still an overrated catch.
who cares of it was possible for him to stop
Um, probably the front office that doesn't want their captain, face of the franchise, and huge monetary investment face planting into probably the only vacated seat in yankee stadium.
who cares if pokey reese was going faster.
I do, it just shows that jeter unnecessarily went flying into the stands.
he didn't want to slam his face into the seats, thats for sure.
Then he shouldn't have. He could have stopped.
jeter is the ideal baseball player, he has it all.
Except that he's overrated defensively.
david wright's catch was great and is comparable to jeter's, and he did sacrifice his body, in my opinion i'd take jeter's but its very very arguable.
David Wrights catch absolutely owns derek jeter's for the rest of this century. Let's quit being biased.
how can any bad talk jeter? it's just pure red sox/mets nation trying to down play the yankee's domination
If by "bad talking" jeter, you mean someone calling it like it is, then label me as "bad talking" jeter. I love him as a player and a leader. He's a hometown kid that's given back so much to his primarily black, ghetto high school and community. He's a great person and player. However, the catch was overrated.

[Flags of Dawn]

i'd call making the playoffs for the past 10 years dominating
yeah well, the chicago bulls are making the playoffs this year...when was the last world series...4, 5 years ago? if they're so dominant how come they havent won it by now?

[kshtoinks12]

And stupidity. you stop when you can stop you don't go face first into a seat if you can avoid it. And he's from my hometown so i defend him as much as I can. it was still an overrated catch.

Um, probably the front office that doesn't want their captain, face of the franchise, and huge monetary investment face planting into probably the only vacated seat in yankee stadium.

I do, it just shows that jeter unnecessarily went flying into the stands.

Then he shouldn't have. He could have stopped.

Except that he's overrated defensively.

David Wrights catch absolutely owns derek jeter's for the rest of this century. Let's quit being biased.

If by "bad talking" jeter, you mean someone calling it like it is, then label me as "bad talking" jeter. I love him as a player and a leader. He's a hometown kid that's given back so much to his primarily black, ghetto high school and community. He's a great person and player. However, the catch was overrated.
i'm not even going to go down the line pwning you

and no not the greatest of all time
willie mays pwnd that play
either way an out's an out

[bigmike]

i'm not even going to go down the line pwning you

and no not the greatest of all time
willie mays pwnd that play
either way an out's an out
oh, thank you for the mercy on my potential "pwning".

[kshtoinks12]

yeah well, the chicago bulls are making the playoffs this year...when was the last world series...4, 5 years ago? if they're so dominant how come they havent won it by now?
basketball's different, 16 teams make the playoffs, thats fucking crazy.

yea it was 5 years but nonetheless they've been the team to beat since '96

[kshtoinks12]

oh, thank you for the mercy on my potential "pwning".
you have no idea how badly you misenterperated every sentence i wrote in there, so you wouldn't know how welcome you are

[bigmike]

basketball's different, 16 teams make the playoffs, thats fucking crazy.

yea it was 5 years but nonetheless they've been the team to beat since '96
so by this logic, are the braves more dominant than the yankees? After all they've got 14 straight division titles.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

can we please institute a NO "PWNING" rule in this forum, holy shit already

[kshtoinks12]

so by this logic, are the braves more dominant than the yankees? After all they've got 14 straight division titles.
no for a few reasons
the yankees have won more pennants in this period
and the AL east is a much more difficult division

[kshtoinks12]

can we please institute a NO "PWNING" rule in this forum, holy shit already
idiot

[bigmike]

no for a few reasons
the yankees have won more pennants in this period
and the AL east is a much more difficult division
valid point, i suppose.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

yeah, im an idiot because the term is overused and awful.

[kshtoinks12]

valid point, i suppose.
everything is arguable in baseball
its not like this incesant arguing is going to change anyone's opinion
yeah, im an idiot because the term is overused and awful.
first of all
before your edit, you're a complete retard
after your edit
seriously, who bitches over a word being used to much
wahhhhhh, i'm sick of the three letter word, wahh

[mikeford]

ive never seen this dude contribute anything other than "yankeez rulz"

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[NetNerdsRevenge]

kshtoinks12, I'd like to see your rebuttal to bigmike's comment. What is there to misinterpret?

[kshtoinks12]

kshtoinks12, I'd like to see your rebuttal to bigmike's comment. What is there to misinterpret?
ugh i really don't want to do this right now but if you show enough to reply to this post i'll do it
ive never seen this dude contribute anything other than "yankeez rulz"

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
because i came to AP to talk about MUSIC!!
sports is just here for somehting extra
i don't surf that forum

[NetNerdsRevenge]

ugh i really don't want to do this right now but if you show enough to reply to this post i'll do it

youre talking to one of the biggest baseball fans on this forum, a huge red sox fan, and a major stats fanatic. i enjoy debate.

[kshtoinks12]

fuck, alright i'll do this one sec

[kshtoinks12]

And stupidity. you stop when you can stop you don't go face first into a seat if you can avoid it. And he's from my hometown so i defend him as much as I can. it was still an overrated catch.
i doubt he wanted to, so i'd say even if it was physically possible, you can't take away awesome points from his sacrafice
Um, probably the front office that doesn't want their captain, face of the franchise, and huge monetary investment face planting into probably the only vacated seat in yankee stadium.
obv they don't want him hurt, i'm just saying, if anything tha faceplants adds to his it.

I do, it just shows that jeter unnecessarily went flying into the stands.
no he didn't, no retard would do that, and if you say he did it to be cool or a hero or whatever, i'll eat you
Then he shouldn't have. He could have stopped.
NO HE COULD NOT HAVE, this is the same point over and over, for proof, look at the fact that he went flying into the seats
Except that he's overrated defensively.
he really isn't, he has awesome range, an absolute cannon, and he makes only a few errors, this isn't his only amazing play you know.
David Wrights catch absolutely owns derek jeter's for the rest of this century. Let's quit being biased.
completely acceptable comment, i just disagree
If by "bad talking" jeter, you mean someone calling it like it is, then label me as "bad talking" jeter. I love him as a player and a leader. He's a hometown kid that's given back so much to his primarily black, ghetto high school and community. He's a great person and player. However, the catch was overrated.
i ca't really comment on this...but anywaysm he just said that he couldv'e stopped over and over again

[NetNerdsRevenge]

he really isn't, he has awesome range, an absolute cannon, and he makes only a few errors, this isn't his only amazing play you know.
Really the only thing here thats worth debating. I would argue that defensive metrics such as UZR and RAA (from hardballtimes.com) have Jeter well below average defensive SS. Both measure how many runs a fielder costs in range. Hardballtimes has him at -15.7 in 2005. What that means is, in 2005 he cost the team 15.7 runs on defense.

[Groogz]

Finally, someone who I see eye to eye with on the Jeter play. People tell me I'm retarded when I say David Wright diving into the stands in Seattle was a better play than Jeter's catch. Jeter caught the ball in foul territory and almost broke his face jumping into the stands..couldn't he have slid into the wall or just stopped his momentum? He didn't have to spread out in midair and jump into the third row. Now Wright's catch he dove into the stands without even looking and caught the ball in midair. Then again..I could just be biased. I've heard every aexcuse why Jeter's was better: 1) Jeter's meant more, that game was important..Seattle and NY were out of the playoffs when Wright made that catch, 2) Jeter was heroic, he sacraficed himself for the team. I fucking hate Jeter.

Anyway, yeah..Iguchi's throw was nice and stuff, but if he hadn't fell it's just another routine play in the field. Plus, Molina runs like a snail.
Yeah, biased sounds right, haha. I'm just messing with ya. I'm biased for the Yankees so obviously I like Jeter's catch better. Whatever. As for Iguchi's play, I thought it was a nice play, no matter who it was that he threw out.

[bigmike]

i doubt he wanted to, so i'd say even if it was physically possible, you can't take away awesome points from his sacrafice

obv they don't want him hurt, i'm just saying, if anything tha faceplants adds to his it.


no he didn't, no retard would do that, and if you say he did it to be cool or a hero or whatever, i'll eat you

NO HE COULD NOT HAVE, this is the same point over and over, for proof, look at the fact that he went flying into the seats

he really isn't, he has awesome range, an absolute cannon, and he makes only a few errors, this isn't his only amazing play you know.

completely acceptable comment, i just disagree

i ca't really comment on this...but anywaysm he just said that he couldv'e stopped over and over again
repetitive? Yes. but the fact that pokey reese makes virtually the same play, yet is able to stop, shows that jeter's play is more about what he did after the catch than the actual catch itself. also, i responded to your post that appeared to be a list, which is why it's repetitive. you could take my first 4 or 5 answers and lump them into one for your first 4 or 5 lines of your post. If he didn't want to face plant into the wall, he should have slowed down and braced himself against the wall. every time i've seen it, it looks like, to me, he'd be able to brace himself against the wall and still make the catch.

I really don't think jeter has phenominal range. He's got an above average arm, but it's by no means best in the majors. arod's a better shortstop than jeter, imo.

[mikeford]

jeter has NO range at shortstop, are you fucking kidding me? like netnerds said, his uzr and raa ratings are way below average and his zone rating is near the bottom of the league as well, and he doesnt commit a high amount of errors cuz he outright DOESNT GET TO THE BALL

[kshtoinks12]

Really the only thing here thats worth debating. I would argue that defensive metrics such as UZR and RAA (from hardballtimes.com) have Jeter well below average defensive SS. Both measure how many runs a fielder costs in range. Hardballtimes has him at -15.7 in 2005. What that means is, in 2005 he cost the team 15.7 runs on defense.
stats like that aren't worth reading, it doesn't measure how clutch his plays are and the plays that save runs that no one else would get
jeter has NO range at shortstop, are you fucking kidding me? like netnerds said, his uzr and raa ratings are way below average and his zone rating is near the bottom of the league as well, and he doesnt commit a high amount of errors cuz he outright DOESNT GET TO THE BALL
you're just a plain idiot

[kshtoinks12]

+youklis blows

[NetNerdsRevenge]

he outright DOESNT GET TO THE BALL
basically

stats like that aren't worth reading, it doesn't measure how clutch his plays are and the plays that save runs that no one else would get
lol, one run saved by a "clutch" defensive play, if that even exists, doesn't make up for the -16 otherwise. And stats like this are worth reading because they're a hell of a lot better than fielding percentage.

+youklis blows
haha wow, you have no other argument, so you revert to this, with no evidence. And if you feel the need to cut on a player, please spell his name right.

[kshtoinks12]

basically


lol, one run saved by a "clutch" defensive play- if that even exists- doesn't make up for the -16 otherwise. And stats like this are worth reading because they're a hell of a lot better than fielding percentage.


haha wow, you have no other argument, so you revert to this, which you have no basis for making the claim. And if you feel the need to cut on a player, please spell his name right.
first of, i was implying he saves more than one run with his clutch play and smooth double play turns

also me say "+youkilis sucks" means i was ADDING to my arguement, not that i had no other arguement. and does his spelling really matter?

[kshtoinks12]

this is why i don't come into this forum often
although i normally enjoy a debate, i don't like getting moshed by the entire redsox nation
i'm done for this thread, i think i've made the myself clear.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

first of, i was implying he saves more than one run with his clutch play and smooth double play turns

also me say "+youkilis sucks" means i was ADDING to my arguement, not that i had no other arguement. and does his spelling really matter?
and still, top defensive metrics, such as UZR, would say otherwise. Also, what is your basis for saying Youkilis sucks?

[NetNerdsRevenge]

this is why i don't come into this forum often
although i normally enjoy a debate, i don't like getting moshed by the entire redsox nation
i'm done for this thread, i think i've made the myself clear.
right.

[Groogz]

I thought this thread was about hating ESPN for going crazy over Iguchi's play. Apparently the title should've been 'Boston fans hate Jeter and kshtoinks12 hates Youkilis.'

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Wait, how does a statistic made from an unbiased party make it so I hate Jeter?

[bigmike]

i don't hate jeter, however his catch going into the stands was overrated, and he's an overrated shortstop.

and the idguchi play was overrated too because his big ass tripped and that play could have been an error just as easily.

[Groogz]

i don't hate jeter, however his catch going into the stands was overrated, and he's an overrated shortstop.

and the idguchi play was overrated too because his big ass tripped and that play could have been an error just as easily.
I was only kidding about everyone hating on Jeter.

As for the Iguchi play, I see what you're saying that it only wound up looking like a good play because he fucked up in the beginning of it. But to be able to regain his composure after tripping was pretty impressive. And it's something different so that's why ESPN is going to show it left and right.

[bigmike]

I was only kidding about everyone hating on Jeter.

As for the Iguchi play, I see what you're saying that it only wound up looking like a good play because he fucked up in the beginning of it. But to be able to regain his composure after tripping was pretty impressive. And it's something different so that's why ESPN is going to show it left and right.
i wouldn't say he regained his composure to throw a ball he had no business in throwing. 9/10 times that's over the 1B head and the guy is in scoring position. but i do know why they're showing, however, they might want to take a step back. it's not terribly impressive.

[DaveFeelsRight]

Atleast spell his name right when you bitch.

EDIT: This fourm should be called the Red Sox and the people who hate the yankees + other teams fourm

[Jesse2]

i don't hate jeter, however his catch going into the stands was overrated, and he's an overrated shortstop.

and the idguchi play was overrated too because his big ass tripped and that play could have been an error just as easily.

I think he is overrated as a shortstop goes, but I think people defend him because of what he brings to the team.

Did he need to fly into the stands? No.

Was it the catch of the year? No.

Is he a great teammate who busts his ass on every play? Yes.

I'll take someone like him over someone like Manny any day of the week. What a fucking bum that guy is.

[mikeford]

this dude got owned so bad. it almost makes me feel bad for him. but not quite.

"youklis sucks", give me a fucking break.

[bigmike]

I think he is overrated as a shortstop goes, but I think people defend him because of what he brings to the team.

Did he need to fly into the stands? No.

Was it the catch of the year? No.

Is he a great teammate who busts his ass on every play? Yes.

I'll take someone like him over someone like Manny any day of the week. What a fucking bum that guy is.
manny may be "a bum" but not many people walking around right now go for 45 HRs and 140 RBIs every year. Bum or not, i'd take that on my team any day of the week.

[Broken Parachute]

Better all around player: David Wright

Let's face it..Jeter can't hit home runs unless the spotlight is on him. He' hits like 8 Home Runs all year then goes crazy in the playoffs because its "Jeter Time." David Wright plays all around better in the regular season and his catch (both of them) would fuck Jeter's play in the ass then cum on it's face and not wake it up in the morning to say it was leaving.

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[Broken Parachute]

Yeah, biased sounds right, haha. I'm just messing with ya. I'm biased for the Yankees so obviously I like Jeter's catch better. Whatever. As for Iguchi's play, I thought it was a nice play, no matter who it was that he threw out.

You can rip me apart if you want, we're Rangers fans. That's all that matters. I won't get mad. Haha

[bigmike]

Better all around player: David Wright

Let's face it..Jeter can't hit home runs unless the spotlight is on him. He' hits like 8 Home Runs all year then goes crazy in the playoffs because its "Jeter Time." David Wright plays all around better in the regular season and his catch (both of them) would fuck Jeter's play in the ass then cum on it's face and not wake it up in the morning to say it was leaving.

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wait, so you wouldn't want someone who steps up to the pressure and is clutch with homeruns in the post season in favor of a kid who has had 1 great year in the big leagues (wright will be amazing)? that doesn't make sense to me. I can understand an argument for not wanting jeter, but this wasn't one of them.

[mikeford]

id glady take jeter on my team but id make him play second base.

[Broken Parachute]

wait, so you wouldn't want someone who steps up to the pressure and is clutch with homeruns in the post season in favor of a kid who has had 1 great year in the big leagues (wright will be amazing)? that doesn't make sense to me. I can understand an argument for not wanting jeter, but this wasn't one of them.
I'm joking. I just hate Jeter..never said I wouldn't want him on my team in the playoffs. Still, I wouldn't build my team around him..we can't make the playoffs unless he does well with his bat and his glove during the regular season too. Maybe I'm just upset because he owned us in the 2000 World Series.

[bigmike]

I'm joking. I just hate Jeter..never said I wouldn't want him on my team in the playoffs. Still, I wouldn't build my team around him..we can't make the playoffs unless he does well with his bat and his glove during the regular season too. Maybe I'm just upset because he owned us in the 2000 World Series.
probably. mikeford made a good point, he'd be an excellent 2B. but there's other shortstops i'd take over him now. I'm a big jeter fan, though.

[Broken Parachute]

probably. mikeford made a good point, he'd be an excellent 2B. but there's other shortstops i'd take over him now. I'm a big jeter fan, though.

I never forgot how he lead off Game 5 with a first pitch homerun..ugh, it pissed me off so much.

[Groogz]

You can rip me apart if you want, we're Rangers fans. That's all that matters. I won't get mad. Haha
Yeah man I could never have beef with you. Rangers fans man! I'm sure you don't like the fact that I'm a Yankees fan though, haha. But don't worry I don't really hate the Mets or anything so I won't be talking shit about them.

[Broken Parachute]

Yeah man I could never have beef with you. Rangers fans man! I'm sure you don't like the fact that I'm a Yankees fan though, haha. But don't worry I don't really hate the Mets or anything so I won't be talking shit about them.

Honestly I don't hate the Yankees, just Jeter. LoL My dad is a Yankee fan so I've been used to watching them and stuff. One of my favorite players has always been Bernie Williams actually.

[bigmike]

Honestly I don't hate the Yankees, just Jeter. LoL My dad is a Yankee fan so I've been used to watching them and stuff. One of my favorite players has always been Bernie Williams actually.
why exactly do you hate jeter? i'm just curious.

[Broken Parachute]

why exactly do you hate jeter? i'm just curious.

Because every Yankee fan on earth makes him look like the greatest player that ever lived. Honestly..he's really good, but almost all Yankee fans credit him with being their best player when they have a roster full of million dollar stars. It gets annoying.

Now if I wanted to get on your good side..I would say Pudge and Yzerman are the two best players in any sport ever created..come on, am I right?

;)

[bigmike]

Because every Yankee fan on earth makes him look like the greatest player that ever lived. Honestly..he's really good, but almost all Yankee fans credit him with being their best player when they have a roster full of million dollar stars. It gets annoying.

Now if I wanted to get on your good side..I would say Pudge and Yzerman are the two best players in any sport ever created..come on, am I right?

;)
haha. i was seriously just curious. the hype around him get's annoying. and especially since i live basically in the same place he grew. like his high school's 20 mins away from me. So i get plenty of hype about him. He's really good but overhyped, imo.

And you're half right. I abso-fucking-lutely hate pudge and would love nothing more than to see him traded. however, steve yzerman should just go straight into the hall of fame right after he retires, no waiting period required. i think he's the best captain in hockey (maybe sports) history.

[Broken Parachute]

haha. i was seriously just curious. the hype around him get's annoying. and especially since i live basically in the same place he grew. like his high school's 20 mins away from me. So i get plenty of hype about him. He's really good but overhyped, imo.

And you're half right. I abso-fucking-lutely hate pudge and would love nothing more than to see him traded. however, steve yzerman should just go straight into the hall of fame right after he retires, no waiting period required. i think he's the best captain in hockey (maybe sports) history.

Statistically, Mark Messier is better..BUT, as for team leader, Yzerman for sure. Messier means so much to me because of 94, but Detroit was like the Hockey gods because of Yzerman.

Now if I were a Yankee fan I would say:

Yzerman who? Derek Jeter is the greatest captain in the history of sports.

[FreshyFresh23]

Thats funny because my best friend and I totally hate Jeter too. Im a Mariners fan and he loves the White Sox and we both cannot stand the guy

Ill give him that he is clutch and can hit for average but..

really look at A-Rod...the guy gets SO much shit because he has a quarter of a billion dollar contract but he is seriously better than Jeter in nearly every way..More power, speed, hits for higher average, better defensively..

Jeter in my opinion is so overrated his best season came 7 years ago in 1999 and he has been declining since, whereas A-Rod's season last year could arguably be his best out of some spectacular seasons.

[Broken Parachute]

Thats funny because my best friend and I totally hate Jeter too. Im a Mariners fan and he loves the White Sox and we both cannot stand the guy

Ill give him that he is clutch and can hit for average but..

really look at A-Rod...the guy gets SO much shit because he has a quarter of a billion dollar contract but he is seriously better than Jeter in nearly every way..More power, speed, hits for higher average, better defensively..

Jeter in my opinion is so overrated his best season came 7 years ago in 1999 and he has been declining since, whereas A-Rod's season last year could arguably be his best out of some spectacular seasons.

Haha as soon as I read that you were a Mariners fan I started laughing because I knew you would hate Jeter really bad. Haha.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

probably. mikeford made a good point, he'd be an excellent 2B. but there's other shortstops i'd take over him now. I'm a big jeter fan, though.
I would take Crosby, Tejada, and Peralta over Jeter. I would also take 2000 nomar and pre-3B A-rod over Jeter.

[Groogz]

Honestly I don't hate the Yankees, just Jeter. LoL My dad is a Yankee fan so I've been used to watching them and stuff. One of my favorite players has always been Bernie Williams actually.
The one thing I hate about being hating Jeter is that he seems like such a nice person. So whether or not you hate other fans overhyping him or something, that shouldn't mean you should hate him personally. But anyways, good call with Bernie. I hope he has a great season this year and retires. Go out with a bang.

[Ratherbedead22]

can somebody provide me with a link to iguchi's play? i still havent seen it.

[Jesse2]

Because every Yankee fan on earth makes him look like the greatest player that ever lived. Honestly..he's really good, but almost all Yankee fans credit him with being their best player when they have a roster full of million dollar stars. It gets annoying.

i love sweeping generalizations. not even every yankees fan on this website says/thinks that.

[mikeford]

I would take Crosby, Tejada, and Peralta over Jeter. I would also take 2000 nomar and pre-3B A-rod over Jeter.

hell, i'd take osizzle over him. the oc is sick on d so that makes up for any better offensive numbers jeter might put up.