Brand New, Jesse Lacey, and Indian Summer

[Sigur Ros]

I won't type out one of my classy introduction paragraphs leading into my thoughts. I'll just lay them out.

I think Lacey was influenced and or is "borrowing" from the influential emo band Indian Summer.

-"Vices" from Daisy uses their trademarked technique of starting songs off with old jazz vinyls playing.
-The intro to "Jesus Christ" off of The Devil And God Are Raging Inside Me has the same D/B, D chord progression and is picked similar.

Thoughts? Maybe it's just me?

[I'm DC]

um, who cares?

[RuckerPark]

if you call then i'm coming to get you
but you want to sink
so i'm going to let you.

[TheBaroness]

Definitely not.

[anthonydarko]

You have too much time on your hands.

[MarkAndros]

"-"Vices" from Daisy uses their trademarked technique of starting songs off with old jazz vinyls playing."

I see what you mean.

[Zack Haughton]

The playing of an old vinyl to begin an album???!?!??!!!

Almost too original.

[zonto]

A little too Raph.

[Asmodeus]

wow you have a great point there.

no not really.

[bedwettingcosmo]

A meager two not so convincing examples. Sorry

[maxvsmaradona]

I'm not saying that kiss was hot, but if the boner police are here, then I'm gonna demand a lawyer!

[Rodeo]

lol @ 'vinyls'

[Sigur Ros]

You have too much time on your hands.
I wouldn't say so. I drew the obvious similarities between the two riffs right away; anyone who knows the songs could, and the idea on Vice kinda just hit me.

I don't know. It's probably coincidence, but I thought I'd bring it to some other people's attention.

[TurbulentCo]

Never listened to Indian summer, but you called them an influential emo band. So brand new, being an emo band, being influenced by them seems to make sense.

[TurbulentCo]

listened to Indian summer...don't see the similarities.

http://www.myspace.com/indiansummer

[Praetor]

Uh......hahaha

[Neo Cassady]

No way, Brand New is the most original band on the planet.

[SixOneOne]

No way, Brand New is the most original band on the planet.
..

[charliebucket]

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Welcome to the internet. You might understand that post in a few years.

[blebbio]

listened to Indian summer...don't see the similarities.

http://www.myspace.com/indiansummer
haha... that's a different Indian Summer

[Sigur Ros]

listened to Indian summer...don't see the similarities.

http://www.myspace.com/indiansummer

http://www.myspace.com/indiansummersongs

[TurbulentCo]

http://www.egyptian.net/~mrch/indiansummerapplejuice.jpe

[Cuddleworthy]

mind:blown

[Cuddleworthy]

IGMd9zQt8TE

[vaguestcargo]

A little too Raph.

omg yes

[AndrewIcex]

Another BN thread.

[TheBaroness]

I can almost guarantee you that Brand New/Jesse do not listen to Indian Summer.

[zonto]

omg yes

Represent!

[Sigur Ros]

IGMd9zQt8TE

You are all talking about the wrong Indian Summer.
The emo band from Cali in the 90's, with Marc Bianchi from Her Space Holiday

http://www.myspace.com/indiansummersongs

[x togepi x]

while it's a nice thought, indian summer wasn't even the first band to do this sort of thing, so i doubt that jesse lacey is taking notes from them.

[FeynmanWannabe]

IGMd9zQt8TE
One of their best songs. Very nice.

[GuitarR0cker1]

I love "Angry Son". Such of a good song.

[Sigur Ros]

while it's a nice thought, indian summer wasn't even the first band to do this sort of thing, so i doubt that jesse lacey is taking notes from them.

I wasn't aware. I guess I haven't explored the innovative antics of early emo enough besides IS. I just got the idea in the first place from the similarities between Angry Son and Jesus Christ, and when I heard the vinyl thing I just thought it may have been a reference or something.

[Cuddleworthy]

You are all talking about the wrong Indian Summer.
The emo band from Cali in the 90's, with Marc Bianchi from Her Space Holiday

http://www.myspace.com/indiansummersongs

haha seriously? trust me i'm pretty sure everyone here knows which indian summer you were talking about

[x togepi x]

I wasn't aware. I guess I haven't explored the innovative antics of early emo enough besides IS. I just got the idea in the first place from the similarities between Angry Son and Jesus Christ, and when I heard the vinyl thing I just thought it may have been a reference or something.

i mean, i guess they might listen to indian summer. i never thought they listened to jesus lizard but this new album proves that wrong.

[GuitarR0cker1]

I could see them listening to Indian Summer.

[Chop[chop]]

Looking for something that isn't really there.

[the_click]

im a little confused. the intro and "theme" music to the album is jazz? i thought it was playing on an old hymn, well that one and the "number 99" in daisy

[Simulcast]

It's possible.

[mmmmmpoetry]

I could see them listening to Indian Summer.


I could see this as well.
Good band. Glad this was posted.
I like this, THIS IS FUN!

[ThisIsNotDan]

not sure why people are being such douches to this kid, but ok

[everyonesfault]

not sure why people are being such douches to this kid, but ok
I don't either. He obviously has a fairly extensive knowledge of music..must be a shortage of people to flame tonight.

[KingJohn_654]

I'm not saying that kiss was hot, but if the boner police are here, then I'm gonna demand a lawyer!

love that movie

[zack-182]

at this point i dont think jesse would ever "borrow" something from another band..it's not taking back sunday

[KingJohn_654]

at this point i dont think jesse would ever "borrow" something from another band..it's not taking back sunday

i havent caught anything on daisy yet, but brand new steals stuff from other bands all the time.

[CollectiveConfusion]

^ everyone steals stuff from everyone in music all the time.. there are only so many chord progressions.

[KingJohn_654]

but brand new takes a lot of lyrics and stuff all the time.

[Brand_New_7786]

but brand new takes a lot of lyrics and stuff all the time.

I keep hearing about lucabomb...what's that?

[zack-182]

i havent caught anything on daisy yet, but brand new steals stuff from other bands all the time.

examples?

[KingJohn_654]

I keep hearing about lucabomb...what's that?
lucabomb is a term that the regulars of the brand new thread call the part in "luca" where the instruments come in and frighten the listener. then someone told david(the personist) that arguing with him didnt work because his 'cronies' would back him up, then we jokingly called ourselves "team lucabomb"
examples?

-"I never thought this day would end / i never thought tonight could ever be this close to me" from "logan to government center" is stolen from "close to me" by the cure.
-the solo to "good to know that if i ever need attention all i have to do is die" is stolen from the Eagles' "hotel california"
-a lot of the lyrics from "i will play my game beneath the spinlight" are stolen from "chumming the ocean" by Archers of Loaf
-"the boy who blocked his own shot" is a similar title to the smiths' "the boy with a thorn in his side" though they sound nothing alike
-"take me out tonight" from "millstone" is stolen from "There is a Light that Never Goes Out" by the Smiths
-"the demon in the attic to the left" from "Degausser" is stolen from "Bloody Hammer" by Roky Erikson

these are just a few examples.

[xxemo_kittyxx]

I...actually see a resemblance

[Burn That Shit]

lucabomb is a term that the regulars of the brand new thread call the part in "luca" where the instruments come in and frighten the listener. then someone told david(the personist) that arguing with him didnt work because his 'cronies' would back him up, then we jokingly called ourselves "team lucabomb"


-"I never thought this day would end / i never thought tonight could ever be this close to me" from "logan to government center" is stolen from "close to me" by the cure.
-the solo to "good to know that if i ever need attention all i have to do is die" is stolen from the Eagles' "hotel california"
-a lot of the lyrics from "i will play my game beneath the spinlight" are stolen from "chumming the ocean" by Archers of Loaf
-"the boy who blocked his own shot" is a similar title to the smiths' "the boy with a thorn in his side" though they sound nothing alike
-"take me out tonight" from "millstone" is stolen from "There is a Light that Never Goes Out" by the Smiths
-"the demon in the attic to the left" from "Degausser" is stolen from "Bloody Hammer" by Roky Erikson

these are just a few examples.

I doubt any of that is intentional, and if it is, that's pretty awesome.

[KingJohn_654]

I doubt any of that is intentional, and if it is, that's pretty awesome.

im pretty sure it's intentional. jesse lacey tries really hard to be morrissey. and he has said that he's influenced by the cure. if you watch the imx interview with brand new, vinnie admits that he ripped off the eagles. jesse lacey admitted to stealing the degausser lyric from roky erikson. brand new is influenced by archers of loaf.

[xxemo_kittyxx]

Nobody mentioned how "The Boy Who Blocked His Own Shot" is a complete ripoff of Coldplay's "Yellow".

[zack-182]

Nobody mentioned how "The Boy Who Blocked His Own Shot" is a complete ripoff of Coldplay's "Yellow".


do you honestly think Jesse would ripoff coldplay? His standards are way to high for that.

[CollectiveConfusion]

im pretty sure it's intentional. jesse lacey tries really hard to be morrissey. and he has said that he's influenced by the cure. if you watch the imx interview with brand new, vinnie admits that he ripped off the eagles. jesse lacey admitted to stealing the degausser lyric from roky erikson. brand new is influenced by archers of loaf.

i do see some similiarities... but if he did 'steal' the lines, its not to pawn off as his own, it would be more of an homage. i.e. he uses a lot of poetry references and literary references in his songs, so if he used musical references as well it wouldn't be much different. :shrug:

you did do a good job of making your point though

[Burn That Shit]

im pretty sure it's intentional. jesse lacey tries really hard to be morrissey. and he has said that he's influenced by the cure. if you watch the imx interview with brand new, vinnie admits that he ripped off the eagles. jesse lacey admitted to stealing the degausser lyric from roky erikson. brand new is influenced by archers of loaf.

All the more reason "Deja Entendu" was an appropriate album title, haha.

[xxemo_kittyxx]

do you honestly think Jesse would ripoff coldplay? His standards are way to high for that.
Same chords, written on the same tempo, even Vin's guitar parts were way too similar. You could basically take the vocals out and sing "Yellow" on top of it and it will sound like the original.

[mmmmmpoetry]

lucabomb is a term that the regulars of the brand new thread call the part in "luca" where the instruments come in and frighten the listener. then someone told david(the personist) that arguing with him didnt work because his 'cronies' would back him up, then we jokingly called ourselves "team lucabomb"


-"I never thought this day would end / i never thought tonight could ever be this close to me" from "logan to government center" is stolen from "close to me" by the cure.
-the solo to "good to know that if i ever need attention all i have to do is die" is stolen from the Eagles' "hotel california"
-a lot of the lyrics from "i will play my game beneath the spinlight" are stolen from "chumming the ocean" by Archers of Loaf
-"the boy who blocked his own shot" is a similar title to the smiths' "the boy with a thorn in his side" though they sound nothing alike
-"take me out tonight" from "millstone" is stolen from "There is a Light that Never Goes Out" by the Smiths
-"the demon in the attic to the left" from "Degausser" is stolen from "Bloody Hammer" by Roky Erikson

these are just a few examples.
OOoOoOO I didn't know that last one. I love the 13th floor elevators and roky erikson.

[KingJohn_654]

i do see some similiarities... but if he did 'steal' the lines, its not to pawn off as his own, it would be more of an homage. i.e. he uses a lot of poetry references and literary references in his songs, so if he used musical references as well it wouldn't be much different. :shrug:

you did do a good job of making your point though

i agree with you.

[CollectiveConfusion]

i agree with you.

wonderful! :-d

[mmmmmpoetry]

Nobody mentioned how "The Boy Who Blocked His Own Shot" is a complete ripoff of Coldplay's "Yellow".
yeah & that's a rip off of journey and the beatles and a thousand other bands.
those four chords are some of the most common chords in existence.