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odnetnin
04/17/06, 09:28 AM
I don't mean as a straight edge reference. More like as in who has changed their sound, lyrics, values and attitude the most to appeal to the mass public of sheep listeners? I am interested in seeing a list. I have some bands in mind, but even though they sold out, I still listen to them, whether people think they should be considered as a guilty pleasure or not.

Coldplay, The Black Eyed Peas, U2, Green Day, Weezer, Gorillaz....that is just the top off my head from the past five years. At least ones that have been way commercialized.

Tyler Revolution
04/17/06, 09:37 AM
I don't agree with all of your choices, but anyways, No Doubt. I never really like them that much, but Tragic Kingdom was an alright album. And they've completely changed everything about their band, to gain fame and money, in my opinion. Gwen Stefani sucks.

ides of march
04/17/06, 09:42 AM
coldplay and gorillaz still write some pretty obscure songs, but for the rest I can't say the same. jeez, I dont even like coldplay

odnetnin
04/17/06, 09:47 AM
I don't agree with all of your choices, but anyways, No Doubt. I never really like them that much, but Tragic Kingdom was an alright album. And they've completely changed everything about their band, to gain fame and money, in my opinion. Gwen Stefani sucks.
No Doubt and especially Gwen Stefani.

Caleb Cattivera
04/17/06, 10:23 AM
this is a stupid ass thread. bands 'selling out' is so fucking stupid. get over it, its called getting more exposure.

odnetnin
04/17/06, 11:42 AM
this is a stupid ass thread. bands 'selling out' is so fucking stupid. get over it, its called getting more exposure.
Sell out

Darren McLeod
04/17/06, 11:45 AM
i don't understand how Green Day changed anything other than their appearance. Yes, they started wearing suits and eyeliner. No, nothing else changed about them. And Weezer... are you basing this solely on Beverly Hills? Because the band's sound really hasn't changed all that much aside from that song...

odnetnin
04/17/06, 11:50 AM
What you say about Green Day, that is just what I meant. Weezer after Pinkterton changed a lot. Rivers wanted to have a dressing room of his own and for none of his band mates to make eye contact when performing on stage. He wanted the complete rock star aspect.

Carlo Marx
04/18/06, 03:32 PM
this is a stupid ass thread. bands 'selling out' is so fucking stupid. get over it, its called getting more exposure.

there's a huge difference between getting more exposure and completely changing your sound in order to sell more records, as in the case of no doubt.

IAPAI
04/18/06, 03:41 PM
What you say about Green Day, that is just what I meant. Weezer after Pinkterton changed a lot. Rivers wanted to have a dressing room of his own and for none of his band mates to make eye contact when performing on stage. He wanted the complete rock star aspect.

He also had a nervous breakdown, went to college, the band went through two bassists (one of which was a longtime friend).... People go through experiences in life and gain different perspectives on things that ultimately will change the way they write music.

SO FUCKING GET OVER IT.

People say they want their bands to write for the love of music and pour emotion into it, but then when the band wants to change their sound and express themselves differently people like you turn into little bitches and call them sell-outs.

vandalsandquinn
04/18/06, 05:15 PM
What you say about Green Day, that is just what I meant. Weezer after Pinkterton changed a lot. Rivers wanted to have a dressing room of his own and for none of his band mates to make eye contact when performing on stage. He wanted the complete rock star aspect.

weezer is one of my favorite bands, but yeah sadly they did sell out. make believe was the worst crap that has ever entered my ears

and metallica sold out too

odnetnin
04/18/06, 06:48 PM
He also had a nervous breakdown, went to college, the band went through two bassists (one of which was a longtime friend).... People go through experiences in life and gain different perspectives on things that ultimately will change the way they write music.

SO FUCKING GET OVER IT.

People say they want their bands to write for the love of music and pour emotion into it, but then when the band wants to change their sound and express themselves differently people like you turn into little bitches and call them sell-outs.
Calm down. It is not my fault they want to be rock stars.

undead
04/18/06, 07:23 PM
who's to say what bands sold out? you don't know a band's reasons for doing the things that they do. i'm sure over the years, each and every one of you has changed the way you looked or acted in some sort of way. it's called maturing. get over it.

Alex Djaferis
04/19/06, 03:04 AM
green day never changed their music. warning was completely softer and chilled but was their least popular. american idiot sounds more green day then ever and voila, as popular as dookie.

Andy
04/19/06, 03:50 AM
Green Day have always been crap, American Idiot was just worse than the rest.

And how did Metallica sell out? They just started to suck, they didnt "sell out".

undead
04/19/06, 09:46 AM
Green Day have always been crap, American Idiot was just worse than the rest.

And how did Metallica sell out? They just started to suck, they didnt "sell out".

i agree 100%

selftitled85
04/19/06, 10:38 AM
I don't mean as a straight edge reference. More like as in who has changed their sound, lyrics, values and attitude the most to appeal to the mass public of sheep listeners? I am interested in seeing a list. I have some bands in mind, but even though they sold out, I still listen to them, whether people think they should be considered as a guilty pleasure or not.

Coldplay, The Black Eyed Peas, U2, Green Day, Weezer, Gorillaz....that is just the top off my head from the past five years. At least ones that have been way commercialized.

completely wrong.

you can talk to any huge coldplay fan and they will tell you the largest problem with coldplay is that the cds sound all too similar.

a song on parachutes can easily by a song on x&y and vice versa.

odnetnin
04/19/06, 03:32 PM
My first post did not just revolve around the sound of the music.

ArTkY_
04/19/06, 05:20 PM
completely wrong.

you can talk to any huge coldplay fan and they will tell you the largest problem with coldplay is that the cds sound all too similar.

a song on parachutes can easily by a song on x&y and vice versa.
Agreed.

odnetnin
04/19/06, 05:32 PM
My first post did not just revolve around the sound of the music.
Now that I think about it, I don't think it intended to have anything to do with their sound.

Ladron
04/19/06, 05:58 PM
Not really a band, but Liz Phair completely sold out by trying to be like Avril Lavigne. What was worse is that her album flopped, HAHA!

Juliana101
04/19/06, 06:57 PM
What you say about Green Day, that is just what I meant. Weezer after Pinkterton changed a lot. Rivers wanted to have a dressing room of his own and for none of his band mates to make eye contact when performing on stage. He wanted the complete rock star aspect.

I don't hate Weezer because they are "sell-outs," I hate Weezer because all their music sounds the same to me except with different lyrics.

Skibum
04/20/06, 01:30 PM
Ummm.....Has anyone here heard of a band called Yellowcard?

odnetnin
04/20/06, 01:53 PM
Has anyone ever been to a show before?

vandalsandquinn
04/20/06, 02:07 PM
Has anyone ever been to a show before?

what show

Juliana101
04/20/06, 05:22 PM
what show

good point

cahrishurr
04/20/06, 06:32 PM
weezer is still great in my eyes

so fucking what if they released beverly hills
not every album is going to have a full album of amazing songs...just skip the first track

i love Make Belive and all their other albums

Carlo Marx
04/21/06, 12:39 AM
Weezer hasn't released a good album since Pinkerton. They just lost the magic after Matt Sharp left.

keep_hope_alive
04/22/06, 01:10 PM
fuuu-uuck, i hate yelllowcard sooo much.

what irritates me is when bands change their image to fit in with whats "in"....


gwen stefani, i mean i used to think that no doubt where pretty bearable.....but now everytime something goes "tick-tock" i get homicidal!!! "if i was a rich girl..na na na na na na"...not only did she thug that song from oliver twist, SHE IS A RICH GIRL!!

its like those mingas good charlotte bringing out "i just wanna live" cuz they felt the need to defend themselves cuz people can't let go of lifestyles of the rich and famous.....they should drown themselves as well as anyone who listens to their music, because they suck (same goes for simple plan and their bullshit teen angst songs)If 12 year olds feel the need to be hardcore it would probably be better off listening to.....awww fuck i don't don't know i was a little shit when i was 12 but at least i didn't listen bands like simple plan...

odnetnin
04/22/06, 03:45 PM
weezer is still great in my eyes

so fucking what if they released beverly hills
not every album is going to have a full album of amazing songs...just skip the first track

i love Make Belive and all their other albums
I liked that Beverly Hills song. We Are All On Drugs has some fucking awful written lyrics.

dekdog11
04/22/06, 03:53 PM
I liked that Beverly Hills song. We Are All On Drugs has some fucking awful written lyrics.

I agree, I can't believe they made a video for We Are All On Drugs. I like Weezer though, Rivers is a genius.

cahrishurr
04/22/06, 05:26 PM
I liked that Beverly Hills song. We Are All On Drugs has some fucking awful written lyrics.

yeah beverly hills isnt even all that bad compared to we are all on drugs

i immediatly, the day it came out and i picked up my copy, heard that song and was like oh wow...worst weezer song ever.

JWilson
04/24/06, 12:35 PM
I thought the whole purpose for most people starting a band is to gain exposure, a fan base, and hopefully someday fame. A band getting more press then before doesnt make them sell outs. When more people, other than you and your friends like a band for the music, that doesnt make them a sell out.


When a band fits roles that really arent them, in order to gain a larger fan base, that are more interested in the trend of liking the band, more so than the music, then the lines of selling out have begun to be crossed.


When fans are only seen as a tool of money making and nothing more, than I think a band had really sold out. With out fans, bands are nothing, and when you ego no longer lets you see that, fame has gotten the best of you.

ArTkY_
04/24/06, 02:37 PM
I thought the whole purpose for most people starting a band is to gain exposure, a fan base, and hopefully someday fame. A band getting more press then before doesnt make them sell outs. When more people, other than you and your friends like a band for the music, that doesnt make them a sell out.


When a band fits roles that really arent them, in order to gain a larger fan base, that are more interested in the trend of liking the band, more so than the music, then the lines of selling out have begun to be crossed.


When fans are only seen as a tool of money making and nothing more, than I think a band had really sold out. With out fans, bands are nothing, and when you ego no longer lets you see that, fame has gotten the best of you.
you're right.

nivek87
04/26/06, 11:42 PM
a lot of people in this thread need to learn what "sell out" means

djUbilla
04/27/06, 12:01 AM
I thought the whole purpose for most people starting a band is to gain exposure, a fan base, and hopefully someday fame. A band getting more press then before doesnt make them sell outs. When more people, other than you and your friends like a band for the music, that doesnt make them a sell out.


When a band fits roles that really arent them, in order to gain a larger fan base, that are more interested in the trend of liking the band, more so than the music, then the lines of selling out have begun to be crossed.


When fans are only seen as a tool of money making and nothing more, than I think a band had really sold out. With out fans, bands are nothing, and when you ego no longer lets you see that, fame has gotten the best of you.Take the "fame" part out of the first sentence, and you've got it on the head.

patrickhowell
04/27/06, 03:23 AM
Green Day have always been crap, American Idiot was just worse than the rest.

And how did Metallica sell out? They just started to suck, they didnt "sell out".

Truth.

high_output
04/28/06, 05:09 PM
yeah, i find it increasingly obvious that there is a very small percentage of people who know what the term "sell out" means. it is not a universal phrase that can be used for diofferent things.

in fact, "selling out" is quite a rare occurence. i will somewhat afgree with No Doubt selling out.

simple plan never sold out, they fit their demographic and arent trying to be something else, they are pop punk and they play pop punk. whatever. dont pay attention to them.

being a shitty band doesnt mean they are a sell out. that means they are a shitty band. get it straight.

jawkneephighv
05/03/06, 01:54 AM
The Black Eyed Peas. They added some bitch and rap about sex and shit now. WTF? They used to be so badass. Another hip-hop act gone pop for the money.

SonnyBertGerard
05/03/06, 02:37 PM
fuuu-uuck, i hate yelllowcard sooo much.

what irritates me is when bands change their image to fit in with whats "in"....


gwen stefani, i mean i used to think that no doubt where pretty bearable.....but now everytime something goes "tick-tock" i get homicidal!!! "if i was a rich girl..na na na na na na"...not only did she thug that song from oliver twist, SHE IS A RICH GIRL!!

its like those mingas good charlotte bringing out "i just wanna live" cuz they felt the need to defend themselves cuz people can't let go of lifestyles of the rich and famous.....they should drown themselves as well as anyone who listens to their music, because they suck (same goes for simple plan and their bullshit teen angst songs)If 12 year olds feel the need to be hardcore it would probably be better off listening to.....awww fuck i don't don't know i was a little shit when i was 12 but at least i didn't listen bands like simple plan...

:amen:

SonnyBertGerard
05/03/06, 02:37 PM
The Black Eyed Peas. They added some bitch and rap about sex and shit now. WTF? They used to be so badass. Another hip-hop act gone pop for the money.

That was before Fergie joined. Two words: Sex Appeal.

nateisawesome
05/03/06, 02:55 PM
explain to me how Weezer sold out?

nateisawesome
05/03/06, 02:56 PM
I agree, I can't believe they made a video for We Are All On Drugs. I like Weezer though, Rivers is a genius.

this man speaks truth

jawkneephighv
05/03/06, 07:26 PM
That was before Fergie joined. Two words: Sex Appeal.Yeah, I know. They were so much better without her. Plus, she wets her pants on stage.

SonnyBertGerard
05/04/06, 12:14 PM
Yeah, I know. They were so much better without her. Plus, she wets her pants on stage.

Oh yeah..I heard about that...she denied it...but we all the truth.

A picasso blue
05/08/06, 02:37 PM
I agree with U2


Bono, stop trying to cure AIDS

Prince Of Punk
05/10/06, 10:38 AM
would you sell out an indie record company for fame and money???
i defenately would

underthetalking
05/10/06, 10:46 AM
This is what I have to say...

"Street cred don't pay the bills."

love2hateme
05/12/06, 12:57 PM
i dont like sell out its fine if you make it big but if you change your sound the way you dress and just your whole attitude bands like that should just stop. GREENDAY

sweethypocrisy
05/16/06, 04:31 PM
the only clear cut sell out is yellowcard. they admitted making ocean avenue only for the money. fuck those guys.

uh oh smmoreo
05/17/06, 12:47 PM
Calm down. It is not my fault they want to be rock stars.

Fuck you, who doesn't want to be a rock star? Everyone needs to make a living, don't blame them for wanting to eat and be able to provide for their girlfriends or families.

greeleyxcore
05/17/06, 11:23 PM
Anyone, to me, that appears on TRL is a sellout....MCR, Fall Out Boy, Green Day, Senses Fail to name a few...

BarrelIsPointed
05/17/06, 11:32 PM
This whoel "changing your music, changing your appearance" thing is bullshit. Have none of you ever been through a phase of music and then started liking something else? Same thing with appearance, nobody's going to look the same for 10 years (Green Day). I don't necessarily like Green Day, but it's called reinventing yourself, trying something new. To sell more records or not, they are just trying something new. And if they reach a larger audience with their change, they're automatically sell outs. That's ridiculous. Spend more time trying to find music you like than bashing music you don't.

Jamie Pham
05/21/06, 03:00 PM
the term sell out is harsh because to these people it is their jobs. think of it as getting a huge promotion at work..

sweethypocrisy
05/21/06, 08:32 PM
This whoel "changing your music, changing your appearance" thing is bullshit. Have none of you ever been through a phase of music and then started liking something else? Same thing with appearance, nobody's going to look the same for 10 years (Green Day). I don't necessarily like Green Day, but it's called reinventing yourself, trying something new. To sell more records or not, they are just trying something new. And if they reach a larger audience with their change, they're automatically sell outs. That's ridiculous. Spend more time trying to find music you like than bashing music you don't.
but green day didnt try something new, they started doing something another popular band (mcr) was doing.

mht
05/23/06, 11:51 AM
http://static.flickr.com/1/152860_2740e58481.jpg



he deserves the fame.




and to bands that sold out, i think that fun pop band nerf herder says it best, "is this what you wanted sammy hagar?"

god van hagar were such sell outs. i love david lee roth with van halen.

dai the flu
05/23/06, 12:40 PM
i didnt realize green day were popular because they wore make-up.


i've noticed a trend. not a hard thing to notice but still...

1. you guys hate bands that are popular with the general public, as this makes you feel like an elite music snob.
2. an up-and-coming band finally gains recognition and starts to make some money
3. you guys therefore must find a way to hate such band, so you find some difference in their lives to bitch about.
4. this 'difference' then becomes a cry of "sell-out" because in your mind, any popular band wouldnt change their clothes or fix their hair or try a new pair of sneakers without some money-driven ulterior motive.
5. you now look like an idiot to anybody that can see through your bullshit and see things rationally.



and on the subject of green day, i thought their break-through smash hit was 'time of your life'? by the general definition of sell-out, they shouldve released a dozen songs that sound like that since. how many 'time of your life's have green day put out since then? thats right. none.
they havent sold out. grow a brain you fucking tools.

underthetalking
05/23/06, 12:47 PM
i didnt realize green day were popular because they wore make-up.


i've noticed a trend. not a hard thing to notice but still...

1. you guys hate bands that are popular with the general public, as this makes you feel like an elite music snob.
2. an up-and-coming band finally gains recognition and starts to make some money
3. you guys therefore must find a way to hate such band, so you find some difference in their lives to bitch about.
4. this 'difference' then becomes a cry of "sell-out" because in your mind, any popular band wouldnt change their clothes or fix their hair or try a new pair of sneakers without some money-driven ulterior motive.
5. you now look like an idiot to anybody that can see through your bullshit and see things rationally.



and on the subject of green day, i thought their break-through smash hit was 'time of your life'? by the general definition of sell-out, they shouldve released a dozen songs that sound like that since. how many 'time of your life's have green day put out since then? thats right. none.
they havent sold out. grow a brain you fucking tools.


The name of the song is "Good Riddance", moron.

dai the flu
05/23/06, 01:01 PM
The name of the song is "Good Riddance", moron.

good point einstein. lets completely throw my post out then.

Base3Studd
05/23/06, 01:28 PM
In my eyes...the only way a band sells out is if they dumb down their music and lyrics in an attempt to connect with a much larger demographic. Therefore, making more money and losing what made them special in the first place. I have no problem with a band getting rich and famous if they are sincerely trying to make the best music they can.

underthetalking
05/24/06, 07:28 AM
good point einstein. lets completely throw my post out then.


Please do. Its riddled with bullshit.

love2hateme
05/24/06, 11:58 AM
SonnyBertGerard

that name makes me want to punch you in the head

you and all 8 billion other myspace girls who get off to that same 3-name combination


atleast pete isnt in there thats the new one

love2hateme
05/24/06, 12:05 PM
i didnt realize green day were popular because they wore make-up.


i've noticed a trend. not a hard thing to notice but still...

1. you guys hate bands that are popular with the general public, as this makes you feel like an elite music snob.
2. an up-and-coming band finally gains recognition and starts to make some money
3. you guys therefore must find a way to hate such band, so you find some difference in their lives to bitch about.
4. this 'difference' then becomes a cry of "sell-out" because in your mind, any popular band wouldnt change their clothes or fix their hair or try a new pair of sneakers without some money-driven ulterior motive.
5. you now look like an idiot to anybody that can see through your bullshit and see things rationally.



and on the subject of green day, i thought their break-through smash hit was 'time of your life'? by the general definition of sell-out, they shouldve released a dozen songs that sound like that since. how many 'time of your life's have green day put out since then? thats right. none.
they havent sold out. grow a brain you fucking tools.


ok so i just pulled out greenday because they stood out in my mind did i never said i hated........ok ya people can change but changing EVERY thing you once stood for throwing that out thats what i mean. i dont really think greendays break thru hit was "good riddance" i mean they were cool. and if you dont think they put out hit songs listen to the radio. and for all you fucks that are bitching about how you shouldnt bitch about music you dont like. its an oppion dont listen to it if you dont like it. i mean its not cool to put down bands but if you dont like a band why say you do isnt that kind of fake if you keep your oppions inside and dont state your own oppion?

selftitled85
05/25/06, 09:30 AM
i didnt realize green day were popular because they wore make-up.


i've noticed a trend. not a hard thing to notice but still...

1. you guys hate bands that are popular with the general public, as this makes you feel like an elite music snob.
2. an up-and-coming band finally gains recognition and starts to make some money
3. you guys therefore must find a way to hate such band, so you find some difference in their lives to bitch about.
4. this 'difference' then becomes a cry of "sell-out" because in your mind, any popular band wouldnt change their clothes or fix their hair or try a new pair of sneakers without some money-driven ulterior motive.
5. you now look like an idiot to anybody that can see through your bullshit and see things rationally.



and on the subject of green day, i thought their break-through smash hit was 'time of your life'? by the general definition of sell-out, they shouldve released a dozen songs that sound like that since. how many 'time of your life's have green day put out since then? thats right. none.
they havent sold out. grow a brain you fucking tools.

1) thats a negative. jimmy eat world is popular and liked by the forum. everyone and their mother likes brand new and they pumped here like its their job
2) ok you made no point here...
3) thats wrong. most of the people here if they feel they deserve to be heard will tell people to listen to them. whether they are popular or not.
4) this isnt wrong. i would buy new clothes too if i was in a band and made money. i would buy a lot more clothes. but why couldnt greenday write american idiot and not wear the make up and ridiculous clothes? the answer is because they needed to fit in the trend. if they wrote american idiot and resembled the guys i fell in love with for dookie i would take them a lot more seriously.
5) i think im seeing things rationally.

and their break through smash hits came from dookie. "good riddance" just became one of the most popular songs ever and made them forever known. but they had air time on mtv, top 40, etc since 1994. and i liked them from 96 on.

mht
05/25/06, 09:48 AM
1) thats a negative. jimmy eat world is popular and liked by the forum. everyone and their mother likes brand new and they pumped here like its their job
2) ok you made no point here...
3) thats wrong. most of the people here if they feel they deserve to be heard will tell people to listen to them. whether they are popular or not.
4) this isnt wrong. i would buy new clothes too if i was in a band and made money. i would buy a lot more clothes. but why couldnt greenday write american idiot and not wear the make up and ridiculous clothes? the answer is because they needed to fit in the trend. if they wrote american idiot and resembled the guys i fell in love with for dookie i would take them a lot more seriously.
5) i think im seeing things rationally.

and their break through smash hits came from dookie. "good riddance" just became one of the most popular songs ever and made them forever known. but they had air time on mtv, top 40, etc since 1994. and i liked them from 96 on.



insert adeline, thats where green day wheres the "rediculous clothes", and im sure they make them their custom eyeliner too, i think billie tries to hard to keep up with todays terrible bands.

patrickhowell
07/02/06, 01:40 PM
whatever

domesticyeti
08/01/06, 09:19 AM
Rivers has kinda calmed down his pyscho rock star thing. he did the meditation classes and reconciled with the rest of the band. Make Believe wasnt very good, but it had a few good songs.

Rivers is just, for some reason, afraid to write lyrics about himself anymore since Pinkerton's initial release and the criticism that came with it.

Alex Djaferis
08/02/06, 06:12 AM
i don't understand how Green Day changed anything other than their appearance. Yes, they started wearing suits and eyeliner. No, nothing else changed about them. And Weezer... are you basing this solely on Beverly Hills? Because the band's sound really hasn't changed all that much aside from that song...
agreed.

apart from appearance its the same music as it was since kerplunk.

odnetnin
08/08/06, 08:32 AM
Fuck you, who doesn't want to be a rock star? Everyone needs to make a living, don't blame them for wanting to eat and be able to provide for their girlfriends or families.

I hope you are joking.

pinklar
08/08/06, 06:51 PM
new gatsby's deffffinately sold out.































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DaKilla623
01/13/09, 12:15 PM
I dont know if its been said but:

AFI, A7X, The Unseen & Trivium.

Regards
01/13/09, 12:24 PM
http://static.flickr.com/1/152860_2740e58481.jpg



he deserves the fame.




and to bands that sold out, i think that fun pop band nerf herder says it best, "is this what you wanted sammy hagar?"

god van hagar were such sell outs. i love david lee roth with van halen.
You could go as far as to say Eddie on the synth was Van Halen selling out, but I agree with Van Hagar. Garbage.

carlsonz
01/13/09, 12:27 PM
Bullet for my Valentine, their first album The Poison was really good in my opinion, but with Scream, Aim, Fire came a whole new sound, or rather a revamped Iron Maiden sound; a sound that I was no longer interested in.