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i just watched minority report, (yet another futuristic 1984 clone) and i thought pre-crime would be an interresting topic to discuss seeing as how everything here is about the war on iraq or the occaisonal religious thread.
for those of you who aren't familiar with the movie; it takes place in the future, and they have pre-cogs (as they call them) who basically can see murders that will take place in the future. so they assigned a pre-crime force to seek out people who would commit murder in the near future and persicuted them (with no trial.)
what's everyone's thoughts on the subject. (and i know it's just a hypothetical situation from a sub-par movie so you don't need to remind me)
Safetyin#
04/14/03, 02:15 PM
calling it a sub-par movie is being very nice.
Safetyin#
04/14/03, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by blaarg
i just watched minority report, (yet another futuristic 1984 clone) and i thought pre-crime would be an interresting topic to discuss seeing as how everything here is about the war on iraq or the occaisonal religious thread.
for those of you who aren't familiar with the movie; it takes place in the future, and they have pre-cogs (as they call them) who basically can see murders that will take place in the future. so they assigned a pre-crime force to seek out people who would commit murder in the near future and persicuted them (with no trial.)
what's everyone's thoughts on the subject. (and i know it's just a hypothetical situation from a sub-par movie so you don't need to remind me)
I personally think the gov.(city and states) has enough problems worring about actual crimes, then what might happen.
Originally posted by Safetyin#
I personally think the gov.(city and states) has enough problems worring about actual crimes, then what might happen.
no, according to the movie; they only see what WILL happen. and apparently it has never been wrong.
the argument is: one side says it will save lives by seeing the future, the other says it's not the future if they interrupt it and by doing so they are now innocent.
Safetyin#
04/14/03, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by blaarg
no, according to the movie; they only see what WILL happen. and apparently it has never been wrong.
the argument is: one side says it will save lives by seeing the future, the other says it's not the future if they interrupt it and by doing so they are now innocent.
I dont know, its kind of hard to rationalize because there are no such things as the "super beings" like what they used in the movie to "see" what will happen, i wish they could have used something more believeable.
Originally posted by Safetyin#
I dont know, its kind of hard to rationalize because there are no such things as the "super beings" like what they used in the movie to "see" what will happen, i wish they could have used something more believeable.
well if the belief in god as a "super being" is "believeable" i'd say this is no less rational.
(note: i was only making a comparison, don't post your thoughts on this here, go to the religion thread.)
Safetyin#
04/14/03, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by blaarg
well if the belief in god as a "super being" is "believeable" i'd say this is no less rational.
(note: i was only making a comparison, don't post your thoughts on this here, go to the religion thread.)
You didn't post any thing?
P.s. i dont talk about my religion views seriously on this board.
Originally posted by Safetyin#
You didn't post any thing?
P.s. i dont talk about my religion views seriously on this board.
no i didn't mean disregard the post. i just phrased it bad, i meant don't turn this into a religious debate.
Safetyin#
04/14/03, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by blaarg
no i didn't mean disregard the post. i just phrased it bad, i meant don't turn this into a religious debate.
Oh i ment super beings, as the one in the water, you know seeing all the future crimes, i wasn't takling about god.
I used super being because i dont know how to spell psycics. Sorry i know that was bad word choice.
Originally posted by Safetyin#
Oh i ment super beings, as the one in the water, you know seeing all the future crimes, i wasn't takling about god.
I used super being because i dont know how to spell psycics. Sorry i know that was bad word choice.
no, i knew what you were talking about, i was making the comparison. if the belief in god is rational how is this any less so?
EmoMoose86
04/14/03, 02:35 PM
Question: Is it a crime if they never comitted it?
:confused:
Originally posted by EmoMoose86
Question: Is it a crime if they never comitted it?
:confused:
exactly, that's the debate.
Safetyin#
04/14/03, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by blaarg
no, i knew what you were talking about, i was making the comparison. if the belief in god is rational how is this any less so?
I got ya, but theres no way this wont turn in to a religion thread.
Originally posted by Safetyin#
I got ya, but theres no way this wont turn in to a religion thread.
like any moral political debate the right wing religious fanatics will have a presence but i meant don't make it an "is there a god?" thread.
Safetyin#
04/14/03, 02:40 PM
God is rational becuase you dont have to see him, for him to exist or work.
THe water children have to real or seen figures, for them to work and they dont. so there not rational.
Is that better.
Safetyin#
04/14/03, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by blaarg
like any moral political debate the right wing religious fanatics will have a presence but i meant don't make it an "is there a god?" thread.
Right wing doesn't allows mean religious fanatics, and with that post you just started a war, not with me, but with that other guy CAI124 or something.
Originally posted by Safetyin#
God is rational becuase you dont have to see him, for him to exist or work.
THe water children have to real or seen figures, for them to work and they dont. so there not rational.
Is that better.
not necessarily, how do they "not work?"
besides, it's a hypothetical situation from a movie, it's not a debate on wheter or not it will work it's "should it be done?"
EmoMoose86
04/14/03, 02:44 PM
the movie's an interesting concept. pre-cognition is weird.
My view: I think it would not be a crime. Because you are not guilty of it yet. It defeats rights.
I dunno- its an odd subject
Safetyin#
04/14/03, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by EmoMoose86
the movie's an interesting concept. pre-cognition is weird.
My view: I think it would not be a crime. Because you are not guilty of it yet. It defeats rights.
I dunno- its an odd subject
But niether party, rep. and dem., respect personal "rights" when they make laws, so what if the hole rights issue was taken out would it be a good idea then
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