Bob Lefsetz On Tony Brummel/Steve Jobs Emails

[Jared Kaufman]

Below you can find an article written by Bob Lefsetz (http://www.lefsetz.com) in response to the Tony Brummel and Steve Jobs emails.
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

Record labels are only as good as the acts they record and release. No executive ever sold a record at Best Buy, never mind a download at iTunes. In this crazy fucked-up world we live in somehow the execs think THEY are the artists.

Artistry is not something that can be quantified. Nor is it something that can be learned. Artists are born. And are developed outside the educational system. Just ask Bruce Springsteen. As for "American Idol", that's about stars, not artists.

One thing we're sure of, those in power now, those into the perks and the fame more than the music, will not rule in the future. Oh, the artists of yore NEEDED the label exec to get his music heard. Those days are through. I'd say if you're looking to get into business with one of these pricks, who cares not a whit if YOUR album sells just as long as SOME album on his label does, then you're a laughable specimen.

If only major labels nurtured artists. Gave them money and told them to create. That they believed in them. That they would support anything they did.

God, those days ended in the seventies. Now the exec wants to tell you how to look, what to record and what your album package should look like. And, if you COMPLAIN, like an asshole parent, they say THEY'RE FOOTING THE BILL!

Tony Brummel signed some successful acts. As a result, he could get major label heads on the phone. Because they wanted his market share, so THEIR market share could improve. They didn't give a shit what kind of music he was releasing, how long it would ultimately last, they just wanted a momentary bump in their numbers. To get them through until the next year, when they could attempt to pull another rabbit out of their hat.

As for the acts Mr. Brummel purveys... Does anybody believe he's got Led Zeppelin or the Eagles, never mind the Beatles or the Stones? Does anybody believe Hawthorne Heights will be selling gold in catalog ten years from now?

Mr. Brummel made it on hard work. But now, like an exec who starts a company but can't manage it when it becomes successful, his street-style is revealing him to be a boor who behaves in a way that results in all no longer taking him seriously.

Tony. So you paid for some endcaps. You're in bed with the "Hits" guys. Tell me again what's so revolutionary about your operation? And now you want Steve Jobs to bend over backward and give you something nobody else gets because you ASKED for it? Especially after you declared that the iTunes Music Store was the death of the industry, that it would decimate the album? Come on. Business is a negotiation of two parties who each have something the other desires.

Apple desires Victory's music. It's willing to pay for it. But nothing beyond what it pays anybody else. No premium is required because there's no extreme benefit to Apple! Everybody knows this except Tony. But his acts are not getting iTunes revenue as he plays the blowhard week after week. To be respected, an executive must FIRST AND FOREMOST be a friend to the artist. Talk to acts on Victory. Ask about Tony putting samplers of other acts on his label in with their product, about insisting his other acts be on tour with them or otherwise he won't pay them. This isn't friendliness, this is MORRIS LEVY TIME!

An artist-friendly label is a midwife to its acts' music. That's its sole goal. To help ease the creation of great music and get it to as many people as possible. Tony, isn't it time for you to admit fault? Isn't it time for you to put forth a manifesto detailing what YOU will or won't do? Isn't it time to put the focus on VICTORY instead of blaming everybody else?

Great music sells itself. Put your shit on iTunes. Tell everybody you made a mistake. Say Jobs is good for your business. And then SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT! Furthermore, Victory isn't the number one independent label, not even close.

[hollywoodending]

the guy from the who?

[hollywoodending]

i think they should just leave this alone, lest TB's ego gets even more inflated.

[TartCart]

execs had something to do with HH selling as many records. Thats all great marketing selling a shitty product

[Take Heart]

Well written and a voice of reason. Who is this Bob Lefsetz though?

[Waltz Whitman]

this guy can't type/spell but it's still a good and honest read. i love the part about hawthorne heights. fuck that band.

edit: why was this originally posted as pete townshend?

[CutsLikeDrugS]

Well written and a voice of reason. Who is this Bob Lefsetz though?
Not Pete Townshend, that's for sure.

[marbury1414]

It's not Pete Townshend. And you should change the title of the post.

[dontgrabtindy]

ha

[a hybrid]

beautiful.

[Jason Tate]

execs had something to do with HH selling as many records. Thats all great marketing selling a shitty product
Marketing is not oversaturating the marketplace.

[boekebong]

That was awesome.

[Jason Tate]

Well written and a voice of reason. Who is this Bob Lefsetz though?
Google him, he's a great read. I subscribe to his newsletter.

[cahrishurr]

victory has 2 good bands

straylight run and the junior varsity
ok maybe three...bayside...but even they are bordering on ehhhhh anymore

[Jason Tate]

victory has 2 good bands

straylight run and the junior varsity
ok maybe three...bayside...but even they are bordering on ehhhhh anymore
Spitalfield.

[TartCart]

Marketing is not oversaturating the marketplace.
hmmm tell that to every major label ever

[beauty is dead]

fuck victory. that label absolutely sucks.

they had old tbs, old thursday, straylight run snapcase and reach the sky.
their only semi-good bands now are bayside and the forecast.

all this douche bag does is sign bands who have potential and destroy them.
he thinks he runs a hardcore label so he signs comeback kid and with honor, both good bands before they were signed with victory.

fuck that label and fuck TB.

[yutsmcgee]

http://www.aidan.co.uk/md/MusItcBobLefsetz5X02.jpg

[Mitch]

victory has 2 good bands

straylight run and the junior varsity
ok maybe three...bayside...but even they are bordering on ehhhhh anymore

I enjoy The Forecast.

Anyways, that was a good read.

[splitsecond]

Marketing is not oversaturating the marketplace.
There are still at least 80 copies of the new HH just sitting on the shelf at my local BB. No lie.

[AmIWrong]

victory has 2 good bands

straylight run and the junior varsity
ok maybe three...bayside...but even they are bordering on ehhhhh anymore

Whoa buddy...Bayside is amazing. How can you like The Junior Varsity over them? I just saw them last Thursday. They weren't very good.

[an0n]

0wn3d.

[niveK]

victory has 2 good bands



The Tossers and Streetlight Manifesto

[ryheeles]

Tony's a douche

[cahrishurr]

Spitalfield.

i will have to check em out, ive heard their name a million times..but havent listened to em yet

[Ryan Imhof]

victory has 2 good bands

straylight run and the junior varsity
ok maybe three...bayside...but even they are bordering on ehhhhh anymore
I doubt SR will release their next album on victory. The Audition and Spitalfield are really the only bands on that label i can get 'into' now.

[cahrishurr]

The Tossers and Streetlight Manifesto


no, never

[mickmadethelist]

He has alot of points. he should be grateful its the same all around. they could easily say that sice they arent a major, they get less . And i like the last part...If they were the number one label...why do soo many bands want out?

[cahrishurr]

Whoa buddy...Bayside is amazing. How can you like The Junior Varsity over them? I just saw them last Thursday. They weren't very good.

i think wide eyed was one of the top 5 best albums of last year

i mean bayside is ok, i like them...but the junior varsity is the best victory band period end of story
then the junior varsity
then bayside

[Paul Tao]

He has alot of points. he should be grateful its the same all around. they could easily say that sice they arent a major, they get less . And i like the last part...If they were the number one label...why do soo many bands want out?
trust me, victory is NOT the #1 independent record label

[exthuse]

Victory have lost Straylight too.

[Drew Beringer]

Spitalfield.

Bingo!

[Drew Beringer]

I still can't believe bands actually still sign to this label.

[Snails]

victory has 2 good bands

straylight run and the junior varsity
ok maybe three...bayside...but even they are bordering on ehhhhh anymore
Bayside are really good.

P.S. Why do you have such a big avatar?

[cahrishurr]

Bayside are really good.

P.S. Why do you have such a big avatar?

i dunno, i was just looking through to find a new one the other day and i like the juliana theory..and so i picked it..it just happened to be bigger

[WithoutASoundXO]

all this douche bag does is sign bands who have potential and destroy them.
he thinks he runs a hardcore label so he signs comeback kid and with honor, both good bands before they were signed with victory.

Victory use to be a hardcore label. The days of Blood for Blood are gone and he just signs whatever shit he think will sell now.

I do agree with the CBK and With Honor comment though. Turn It Around and With Honor's EP were both stellar.

[TartCart]

I still can't believe bands actually still sign to this label.
I still can't believe the last ten drive-thru/rushmore bands signed with drive-thru/rushmore and the fact that some bands actaully want to be signed by that label.

[thewebguy]

mostly good article but i think he misses the point..

tony isn't trying to get on itunes with some crazy benefits. he is just trying to make everyone think that there is some good reasoning in his fight to stay off itunes. he is like a politician who doesn't answer questions logically, and instead just says something about their platform that is unrelated.

everything he said to jobs was along the lines of "STOP KILLING INDIE ROCK AND S MY D", then he leaks the corespondance hoping people will think jobs is an asshole or something. he does this crap on purpose.

[Snails]

i dunno, i was just looking through to find a new one the other day and i like the juliana theory..and so i picked it..it just happened to be bigger
Haha, lucky you!

[theoceanthecity]

Well with On The Last Day on their roster, how could you not be the #1 independent label, pretty intimidating.

[IcedOpethBlind]

i refuse to buy any more victory cds because that dude is such an egotistical prick that's all "look at me, look at me, i have hawthorne heights and aiden! wooo!!! #1 indepenet label, whooo!!" Fuck you, idiot. Music is about music, not album sales. I understand that labels invest great amounts of cash into bands and need them to sell records to reimburse record costs and all other expenses, but seriously, music should STILL BE ABOUT THE MUSIC in the end. And in today's age, alot of times it's not.

[jkretz]

mostly good article but i think he misses the point..

tony isn't trying to get on itunes with some crazy benefits. he is just trying to make everyone think that there is some good reasoning in his fight to stay off itunes. he is like a politician who doesn't answer questions logically, and instead just says something about their platform that is unrelated.

everything he said to jobs was along the lines of "STOP KILLING INDIE ROCK AND S MY D", then he leaks the corespondance hoping people will think jobs is an asshole or something. he does this crap on purpose.


i'm not sure when these emails are dated, but i'm imagining that they're from before tony's little fit over itunes "stealing the soul of music".

in retrospect, that high-horse "my bands albums are pure art" bullshit that he threw out was just a reaction to apple saying "you're not fucking special.... douchebag".

i'm not going to argue whether or not itunes is killing music. in fact i'll even give tony the benefit of the doubt here. i just don't think he likes the competition. after all he's been the king of killing music for a few years now.

[hollywoodending]

Listen To Spitalfield

[Kram41]

Very well written and articulated, but his comment about Hawthorne Heights not selling in a gold catalog 10 years from now was off-base. Most of the shit that's in the top 10 these days will be laughable 10 years from now.

[marchfaster]

no, never
streetlight manifesto is pretty talented, and catch 22 back when they were together.
its shitty that bands sign to victory, because so much of it is just banal shit.

[marchfaster]

Very well written and articulated, but his comment about Hawthorne Heights not selling in a gold catalog 10 years from now was off-base. Most of the shit that's in the top 10 these days will be laughable 10 years from now.
what? he was saying that victory acts like its bands are the next led zepplins and the beatles....so, its completely ON base to say that hawthorne heights wont be selling a gold catalouge....because, they're NOT the beatles, or nirvana for that matter.

[Sureshot182]

spitalifield deserves better. that's all i have to say.

[wesgemm08]

Darkest Hour, the only thing I like on victory, maybe a little btbam also, but mainly darkest hour


pretty much everything else on victory bores me, is unoriginal, or just isnt good at all

[buttonsforeyes]

victory has 2 good bands

straylight run and the junior varsity
ok maybe three...bayside...but even they are bordering on ehhhhh anymore


comeback kid & darkest hour are better than straylight run and the junior varisty

im gonna add silverstein and action action as well

[mikedoerr]

this guy made so many good points. i respected tony brummel from at least a hard work standpoint until reading those emails and this article. what an egotistical dick head. lets be honest, tony brummel doesnt fucking listen to aiden except to make sure that they are shitty enough to capture the attention of most new fans of my chem and in no way am i bashing mcr because they do their own thing. and the part about label execs thinking they are artists is so well put and so very verry true ...ahem...drivethru...

[cubz84]

Owned!

[I am all talk]

Spitalfield.
are they that band that is for fans of taking back sunday, thursday, and coldplay?

[Snails]

are they that band that is for fans of taking back sunday, thursday, and coldplay?
Hahaha

[MrBaileySays]

Below you can find an article written by Bob Lefsetz (http://www.lefsetz.com) in response to the Tony Brummel and Steve Jobs emails.
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

Record labels are only as good as the acts they record and release. No executive ever sold a record at Best Buy, never mind a download at iTunes. In this crazy fucked-up world we live in somehow the execs think THEY are the artists.

Artistry is not something that can be quantified. Nor is it something that can be learned. Artists are born. And are developed outside the educational system. Just ask Bruce Springsteen. As for "American Idol", that's about stars, not artists.

One thing we're sure of, those in power now, those into the perks and the fame more than the music, will not rule in the future. Oh, the artists of yore NEEDED the label exec to get his music heard. Those days are through. I'd say if you're looking to get into business with one of these pricks, who cares not a whit if YOUR album sells just as long as SOME album on his label does, then you're a laughable specimen.

If only major labels nurtured artists. Gave them money and told them to create. That they believed in them. That they would support anything they did.

God, those days ended in the seventies. Now the exec wants to tell you how to look, what to record and what your album package should look like. And, if you COMPLAIN, like an asshole parent, they say THEY'RE FOOTING THE BILL!

Tony Brummel signed some successful acts. As a result, he could get major label heads on the phone. Because they wanted his market share, so THEIR market share could improve. They didn't give a shit what kind of music he was releasing, how long it would ultimately last, they just wanted a momentary bump in their numbers. To get them through until the next year, when they could attempt to pull another rabbit out of their hat.

As for the acts Mr. Brummel purveys... Does anybody believe he's got Led Zeppelin or the Eagles, never mind the Beatles or the Stones? Does anybody believe Hawthorne Heights will be selling gold in catalog ten years from now?

Mr. Brummel made it on hard work. But now, like an exec who starts a company but can't manage it when it becomes successful, his street-style is revealing him to be a boor who behaves in a way that results in all no longer taking him seriously.

Tony. So you paid for some endcaps. You're in bed with the "Hits" guys. Tell me again what's so revolutionary about your operation? And now you want Steve Jobs to bend over backward and give you something nobody else gets because you ASKED for it? Especially after you declared that the iTunes Music Store was the death of the industry, that it would decimate the album? Come on. Business is a negotiation of two parties who each have something the other desires.

Apple desires Victory's music. It's willing to pay for it. But nothing beyond what it pays anybody else. No premium is required because there's no extreme benefit to Apple! Everybody knows this except Tony. But his acts are not getting iTunes revenue as he plays the blowhard week after week. To be respected, an executive must FIRST AND FOREMOST be a friend to the artist. Talk to acts on Victory. Ask about Tony putting samplers of other acts on his label in with their product, about insisting his other acts be on tour with them or otherwise he won't pay them. This isn't friendliness, this is MORRIS LEVY TIME!

An artist-friendly label is a midwife to its acts' music. That's its sole goal. To help ease the creation of great music and get it to as many people as possible. Tony, isn't it time for you to admit fault? Isn't it time for you to put forth a manifesto detailing what YOU will or won't do? Isn't it time to put the focus on VICTORY instead of blaming everybody else?

Great music sells itself. Put your shit on iTunes. Tell everybody you made a mistake. Say Jobs is good for your business. And then SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT! Furthermore, Victory isn't the number one independent label, not even close.

Hell no. I believe in TJV, though

actually, I take that back. HH probably will considering how things are going thus far.

[[Mike]]

"As for the acts Mr. Brummel purveys... Does anybody believe he's got Led Zeppelin or the Eagles, never mind the Beatles or the Stones? Does anybody believe Hawthorne Heights will be selling gold in catalog ten years from now?"

That could not be any more true.

[boekebong]

spitalifield deserves better. that's all i have to say.

Way to rock Anathallo.

[AHMYBRAIN]

I was going to buy Keasbey Nights 2, but then I realized whose pocket my cash would go in so I downloaded it and bought a ticket instead.

Seriously, this guy is probably the biggest prick in independent music.

[Billy]

Spitalfield.
Spitalfield do not get the attention they should. I think if Brummel gave them three seconds he would be happy with the amount of money he would make off them. Because that is apparently what he is after.

[phaedrus]

this guy makes it sound like artists make money of of itunes. they dont, which i thought was part of tony's point. everyone involved is an idiot, expecially this lefsetz guy. find a better way to end an idea than "shut the fuck up"

[Roboman]

Regardless of our dear Mr. Tony Brummel and the shit his label pulls, I like a lot of former/current Victory Bands. Taking Back Sunday, Straylight Run, Spitalfield, June, Atreyu, Bury Your Dead, The Forecast, Bayside, Silverstein, theAudition, Action Action, Darkest Hour, The Hurt Process, Hawthorne Heights, and The Black Maria, and every once in awhile I like me some Aiden, Between the Buried and Me, The Autumn Offering, Scars of Tomorrow, Glasseater, Dead to Fall, A Perfect Murder, The Junior Varsity and Sinai Beach. Yeah...in other words, Victory is fine with me.

[shtjames]

holy god someone who knows what they're talking about
alert the fucking media

[FatJordan]

are they that band that is for fans of taking back sunday, thursday, and coldplay?
Hahaha, a gem that goes unnoticed.

I really wish those stickers were required on every release EVER. There would be some good jokes had.

[alwaysanniston]

straylight run is very good, and knowing atreyu personally, they work VERY hard...and sold almost 70k records in the first week 3 weeks ago....and you've all read the stories about them v.s. victory..its old shit, i know...but tony brummel is the devil. he just keeps making an ass of himself.
look at ole' rich over at vagrant...dashboard sold just as many cds if not more than TBS at one time.....and theyre sticking with vagrant, STD came back, actually, not many people leave. even richard and stephanie at DTR have learned to keep their mouths shut since the whole Midtown thing. Learn from your peers Tony, or the end will soon find you. cuz TBS is gone, Thursday is gone, SLR's deal is over soon right? after the live cd......and HH, well, lol...they just suck. "cut my wrists and black my eyes.." LMAO.

[marchfaster]

this guy makes it sound like artists make money of of itunes. they dont, which i thought was part of tony's point. everyone involved is an idiot, expecially this lefsetz guy. find a better way to end an idea than "shut the fuck up"
what?....you're an idiot.
itunes gives artists on average 5-10 cents more per record.
itunes is better for artists.

[Freud]

darkest hour and silverstein

[Burning Star IV]

seriously, i don't know what people have against victory. i know that tony brummel is pretty much an asshole, but victory has a pretty solid roster regardless. victory released some of my favourite albums from last year like darkest hour, a perfect murder, comeback kid, the black maria and straylight run. and to the regard of someone not buying a victory release becuase in some form, tony brummel profits from it: i'm sure you've spent money on something in your life that has in someway, has gone into the pockets of even bigger assholes who have no intent on doing anything with that money other than keep it for themselves.. at least by buying a victory release, you support the artist, and not just tony brummel.

[TENCopeland]

everyone is all over spitalfield's nuts. i liked Remember Right Now and saw them open for FOB and acceptance a few years back and they put on a good show. i heard a few new songs and didnt get into them, and then i saw them play this last fall and the performance was just awful. maybe i caught them on a bad night, but they really let me down.

[fromwithin]

everyone is all over spitalfield's nuts. i liked Remember Right Now and saw them open for FOB and acceptance a few years back and they put on a good show. i heard a few new songs and didnt get into them, and then i saw them play this last fall and the performance was just awful. maybe i caught them on a bad night, but they really let me down.
not that many people are on spitalfield's nuts. i'm sorry you cant get into them but they are BY FAR the most underrated band on victory. this band gets NO EXPOSURE WHATSOEVER, but yet they still continue to work their asses off. trust me if they were on a different label theyd be the cornerstone of the label and headlining major tours left and right. it makes alot of us really sad that this band gets treated the way it does.

oh and someone please tell me who the #1 independent label is. I'm curious to know.

[crit]

well said.

[indie_ira]

i think wide eyed was one of the top 5 best albums of last year

i mean bayside is ok, i like them...but the junior varsity is the best victory band period end of story
then the junior varsity
then bayside

i agree for the most part..........

[raycer]

Hahaha, a gem that goes unnoticed.

I really wish those stickers were required on every release EVER. There would be some good jokes had.

hah have you seen the sticker on the chariot cd? it was something like 'for fans of norma jean, something else, ashlee simpson'

[Azkonate]

Who care how music is being purchased, as long as it is being purchased. Without the demand there will be no product.

I enjoy buying music for four reasons: I feel as if I've invested in someone's career, I've invested in hopes of the next album, and most importantly I've bought something that will leave me happy and entertained for years to come.

[ishotthepilot]

most the bands you can think of on Victory are actually good bands, not worth shunning just because of this Brummel idiot. whatever, buy the cds from the bands, go to their shows. they'll finish their contracts; i'm going to assume that bands in the future get the message too, and won't sign to Victory.

everyone is all over spitalfield's nuts. i liked Remember Right Now and saw them open for FOB and acceptance a few years back and they put on a good show. i heard a few new songs and didnt get into them, and then i saw them play this last fall and the performance was just awful. maybe i caught them on a bad night, but they really let me down.

i think they caught you on a bad night. nonetheless, they are kickass and energetic live and deserve everyone on their nuts, or whatever strange sayings you guys use.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Great article and good read. Just makes it futher evident that Tony is complete ass, and a massive tool. I hope he responsed to the article and makes himself look more like an idiot. There's a reason why soo many bands hated being at Victory and I hope TB shuts his mouth about "Indie VS Major". Victory Record is a terrible label anyway. It won't last. Hopefully not for much longer.

[zizou1790]

very good read i cant stand TB thoguh

[Kiss Of Octopus]

victory promotes image over quality music.

if victory was about good music, all we would hear about its streetlight manifesto and between the buried and me [in my personal opinion, the two most musically inclined acts on the label]. not fucking hawthorne heights, aiden, the audition, and god knows who else.

no matter what you think is good music though, i would have trouble believing that tony brummel actually thinks bands like hawthorne and whoever i named above are anything special musically. he's selling an image, a fashion, a trend, and it fucking works. and he goddamn knows it. he's in it for completely the wrong reasons. but he's getting fucking filthy rich because of it.

[cahrishurr]

i agree for the most part..........

haha yeah i just noticed a big typo

i meant the junior varsity is the best band on victory periodddd
<b>then straylight run</b>...though they are leaving
then bayside

[I am all talk]

victory promotes image over quality music.

if victory was about good music, all we would hear about its streetlight manifesto and between the buried and me [in my personal opinion, the two most musically inclined acts on the label]. not fucking hawthorne heights, aiden, the audition, and god knows who else.

no matter what you think is good music though, i would have trouble believing that tony brummel actually thinks bands like hawthorne and whoever i named above are anything special musically. he's selling an image, a fashion, a trend, and it fucking works. and he goddamn knows it. he's in it for completely the wrong reasons. but he's getting fucking filthy rich because of it.
i have no idea what you just said.

[Kiss Of Octopus]

i have no idea what you just said.
it made sense in my head.

im too fucking tired to try and rephrase anything.

[fairview00]

Below you can find an article written by Bob Lefsetz (http://www.lefsetz.com) in response to the Tony Brummel and Steve Jobs emails.
[fs=ArticleTony. So you paid for some endcaps. You're in bed with the "Hits" guys. Tell me again what's so revolutionary about your operation? And now you want Steve Jobs to bend over backward and give you something nobody else gets because you ASKED for it? Especially after you declared that the iTunes Music Store was the death of the industry, that it would decimate the album? Come on. Business is a negotiation of two parties who each have something the other desires.

Great music sells itself. Put your shit on iTunes. Tell everybody you made a mistake. Say Jobs is good for your business. And then SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT! Furthermore, Victory isn't the number one independent label, not even close.[/fs]

this man is very smart.

[Roboman]

it made sense in my head.

im too fucking tired to try and rephrase anything.

I understood what you said, and despite my extreme feelings of apathy toward almost anything, am inclined to agree with you.

[ra223]

the Real reason why Tony does not want his bands on itunes is cuz he won't be able to put huge stickers over albums claiming bands to sound like something they don't. I mean how else will the Hurt Process Sell if he doesn't put "FOR THE FANS OF MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE AND FALL OUT BOY"

[cahrishurr]

the Real reason why Tony does not want his bands on itunes is cuz he won't be able to put huge stickers over albums claiming bands to sound like something they don't. I mean how else will the Hurt Process Sell if he doesn't put "FOR THE FANS OF MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE AND FALL OUT BOY"

dude the hurt process doesnt sell anyway lol

"FOR FANS OF SHITTY MUSIC"

[Dewcifer]

Who in the hell is Aiden? I've never heard of them before, and I've heard of pretty much every other band talked about on this thread.