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kswizzle
09/03/09, 01:54 PM
Saosin - In Search of Solid Ground
Record Label: Capitol
Release Date: September 8, 2009

I have always loved Saosin. When I was in high school, Translating the Name came out. I was blown away. I said, "How can this band be among my top ten favorite bands with only five songs?" Then, when the self titled album dropped, it cemented them as pretty much my favorite band. Their style just clicked so well and encompassed some many different types of music I liked. Saosin does have a habit of making their fans wait for new material, and I have been eagerly awaiting this album. Which brings me to the review. I have to look at In Search of Solid Ground from two perspectives: First, as a diehard Saosin fan and second, as someone with a new album coming across his desk.

Up first: the die hard fan. Needless to say, I'm dissapointed. I've read a few reviews and one of the biggest complaints is that they are not producing the riffs and edge of past efforts (the verse riff for "Collapse" is still one of my favorites) and have gone soft. Now, I can't complain too much, because I have seen so many bands fluctuate their sound over the years (e.g. Avenged Sevenfold, Thrice, etc.), and it's not necessarily a bad thing. However, I do feel that the songs here aren't the strongest in Saosin's catalog, regardless of style. There wasn't any wow factor to these songs. On the self titled album, I seemed to have a new favorite track every few weeks. I must have listened to the vocal harmony and drum fill on "Follow and Feel" about fifteen times in a row because I was just so blown away. Instead I feel that half the songs have a radio airplay gloss over them, a rhythm based on straight up chord strumming and less creative riffs.

It seems like production and vocals were given too much time compared to the real song writing. I hear a lot of these songs and think they have some nugget of hope in them, but they just seem to be produced to match up with just standard radio rock. Take "Fireflies"; I keep hearing the chorus and I can imagine live it can turn out to be pretty cool and a crowd pleaser, but for some reason the track just seems weak, just passing through my ears. I really did like the three demos that were released on the Grey EP and felt they were pretty solid but when it came to making the actual album, the same songs (Why Can't You See, I Keep My Secrets Safe, and The Worst of Me) sound over-produced and the change in vocal arrangement just seems to take away from the songs. I feel that the production of the album is it's greatest downfall, followed by half an album of generic filler tracks, and the distortion on the rhythm guitar just doesn't cut it for me. It just stays the same between many tracks and seems too "dirty" compared to the over production on most tracks. I remember an interview with Saosin where they said on Translating the Name, there was one distortion, and that was Saosin's sound. And on Saosin, they really experimented with the sound to make the distortion that was the best for each song. In Search of Solid Ground seems to just pick one irritating, crunchy sound and roll with it.There are a few good and strong songs on here, don't get me wrong. But the album as a whole is a letdown, especially if you want to hear something awesome out of Mr. Rodriguez.

If I were a newcomer to Saosin, I would probably think it was a decent debut effort. Not something that I would keep coming back to, but if songs came up on my shuffle, I would probably take notice. The songs do feel like some good old-fashioned rock radio tracks with their booming choruses like on "Nothing Is What It Seems" and "Deep Down." However the sound of this album brings too many other bands to mind and doesn't separate Saosin from the pack. I feel a lot of these songs could have been from The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus and their Lonely Road sessions (except slightly better). The single "Changing" feels like it was written by The Used. The beginning of "Deep Down" could be at home on an Incubus album. While Saosin can be lumped in with a lot of these bands, they need to have something to set them apart and that is missing on this album. Especially after hearing the song "You Never Noticed Me," meant for the Japanese release, you start to think that the sound of what made the album was dictated by suits. Some fresh ears might take the album better but only to a certain point.

Saosin unfortunately may have fallen victim to the music industry game. Having the recording process on display at Hurley studios and all the tie-ins with Hurley and Pacific Sunwear surrounding this album only conjures up memories of Cartel and their "Band in a Bubble" experience with Dr. Pepper and their dismal sophomore LP. I have hope that some of these songs may have some legs in a live set and can only hope that this is the case, or that the band breaks tradition and heads back to the studio sometime before 2012.

"On My Own"; "Is This Real"; "The Worst of Me"

The Used, The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus, 30 Seconds to Mars

http://myspace.com/saosin

bifforama1
09/12/09, 08:22 AM
Cove states in the DVD for this album that Incubus is and always has been his favorite band, so that would probably explain the Incubus influences. Not sure what you're problem with "Changing" is. It's still Saosin, just with a different feel. I think you should proud of them for branching out! And the song is called "Deep Down", not "Keep Down". :)

cereal4life
09/12/09, 08:48 AM
The second paragraph is massive; I actually find it visually distracting and an impediment from wanting to read it. Good review though, man. Still yet to listen to this; waiting for a let-down myself.

kswizzle
09/12/09, 09:50 AM
Cove states in the DVD for this album that Incubus is and always has been his favorite band, so that would probably explain the Incubus influences. Not sure what you're problem with "Changing" is. It's still Saosin, just with a different feel. I think you should proud of them for branching out! And the song is called "Deep Down", not "Keep Down". :)

yeah thanks for correcting the deep down issue. I was trying to download "bury me" while writing this and on the screen above it said "keep down." my bad. I will say changing is slowly growing on me. And I am proud of them branching out and not writing S/T 2. But I feel it was more an exercise in trying to write something specifically different than what they would have wrote if they were just writing (if that makes sense). That's why I feel like "Bury Me" and "You Never Noticed Me" which are both phenomenal songs (among my favorites by the band altogether) were cut. The album is getting better with more listens, but for an audience that will drop an album after just a listen and they don't like it...i feel it's an impediment.

kswizzle
09/12/09, 09:52 AM
The second paragraph is massive; I actually find it visually distracting and an impediment from wanting to read it. Good review though, man. Still yet to listen to this; waiting for a let-down myself.

thanks for the advice, i'll keep it in mind though if i ever write a second review. if you are a fan of the band, I'll say give it a listen...put it down. give it another listen the next day...it will not blow you away, but it gets a little better. I guess just be a bit more patient than me, but don't expect the mona lisa.

HCO SF 87
09/12/09, 12:40 PM
Good review, I agree that this album is OK on it's own, but if you take into account Saosin's previous efforts, it just sucks haha. I think "Say Goodbye" is a pretty decent song though.

But yeah I think Bury Me is one of the best songs they've ever written; the main riff in the song is just tooo sick.

I saw an interview with Beau on youtube, and he said their plan is to tour a while on this and then head back into the studio earlier than usual, so there's not such a long cycle between albums this time.

LastDeclaration
09/13/09, 08:38 AM
Cartel's self-titled was far from dismal.

fly_guy
09/13/09, 09:09 AM
Cove's vocals on this album seem so forced. He cant sing as high as he was trying to

Handraa
09/14/09, 06:25 AM
Good review, but I'm almost positive this was released on Virgin Records

abellaw
09/14/09, 08:46 PM
I would have to agree i think that this album was the weakest saosin release. The whole time i was listening to this album i was thinking about how much more i liked conditions.

Yellowcard2006
09/17/09, 06:04 PM
I can't imagine waiting until 2012 (when I graduate college) for a new Saosin album. Good review. I you give the album at higher rating though...maybe an 83%

Brett9
09/17/09, 06:41 PM
Really a great review...I enjoyed reading it. I would agree with you on almost all points. I actually was NOT "anticipating" this album - I loved the self-titled, but for some reason wasn't all that excited about this release. When they released the stream on myspace, I broke my rule and checked it out (knowing the sound quality would be what it is). It's funny, because I had pretty much the opposite opinion of most other people. I actually kinda liked what I was hearing. It led me to go out and buy the album, and I still really enjoy it. I completely agree that it's not up to par with their previous stuff, but I just found it fun to listen to (as a whole). I think that the criticism is (mostly) deserved, but I also think that this album is getting trashed way more than it should. Just my opinion...

The Gryphonator
09/17/09, 07:12 PM
It's a solid release, but definitely not as badass as their S/T. One thing that Saosin needs top stop doing is releasing so many songs before the album is fully released. When I finally listened to the album, I already heard almost half the album already! They released Secrets, Why Can't You See, Changing, On My Own, The Worst of Me, and Is this Real? before the album even hit stores. And I didn't even illegally download any of the songs, they were offcially released!

Yeah, bad idea. You maybe have gotten a few more bucks from me, but still.

Also, the fireflies closer is not epic in any way.

sasalukac
09/17/09, 07:17 PM
this album suffers a bit in the continuity department for me. there are some great songs (Deep Down, Say Goodbye, Worst of Me) and some very good ones (Changing, On My Own, It's All Over Now, Is This Real) but it's not as solid throughout as the first effort. as a past diehard fan of Saosin myself, i have to admit that i realized i have outgrown this style in general, and the fact that i still enjoyed this release quite a bit is good enough for me :)

RoboZombieKitty
09/17/09, 07:20 PM
Loved the self-titled but for some reason I'm not really feeling this one at all. I'll have to give it a few more spins I suppose. Still a fan of this band and I'm looking fwd to their next cd :P

trappedintime
09/17/09, 07:22 PM
I agree with your review but not your rating. Saosin is a good band but this is a bad album.

abr895
09/17/09, 08:23 PM
I agree. The self titles seemed so easy for him to hit that note, not so much in the new one.

ZeoVGM
09/17/09, 09:29 PM
Cartel's self-titled was far from dismal.
Agreed. Good album.

Mattylikesfilms
09/17/09, 09:36 PM
Cartel's self-titled was far from dismal.

oh yeah i totally forgot that song "wasted" with wyclef was amazing!

"wyclef so wasssssted, cartel so waaaaaasted yeaaaah"


hah


this album is like.. i dont know, a 67% for me. i love incubus as well but this album has reaaaaally boring parts sadly. at least incubus keeps their tracks experimental but interesting. favorite tracks are "i keep my secrets safe", "keep down","changing", "on my own"


the rest are ehhh


i hope these guys put a steller EP soon to make up for their mediocre follow up that will sadly become a sophmore slump (at least in the eyes of sao fans)

LastDeclaration
09/17/09, 09:41 PM
oh yeah i totally forgot that song "wasted" with wyclef was amazing!

"wyclef so wasssssted, cartel so waaaaaasted yeaaaah"


hah


this album is like.. i dont know, a 67% for me. i love incubus as well but this album has reaaaaally boring parts sadly. at least incubus keeps their tracks experimental but interesting. favorite tracks are "i keep my secrets safe", "keep down","changing", "on my own"


the rest are ehhh


i hope these guys put a steller EP soon to make up for their mediocre follow up that will sadly become a sophmore slump (at least in the eyes of sao fans)

You're dismissing the album as dismal because of a shitty bonus track?

Mattylikesfilms
09/17/09, 09:44 PM
wasted wasnt a bonus track, the remix was but both versions was wyclef. their s/t had like.. 4 good tracks.


thats about it.

redsand62
09/18/09, 12:26 AM
wasted was the best track on the album :/

shouryarob
09/18/09, 03:38 AM
Hey man you're so right! the production is given hell more effort than the actual song writing..this album has lyk 14 songs and none of them are like Up to the standard of Saosin had earlier produced. I am a die hard fan of saosin too. but honestly.. i downloaded this album a couple of weeks ago, and heard it just one tym...

Poochemist
09/18/09, 05:02 AM
Nice informal-style review.

brenByah
09/18/09, 06:56 AM
oh yeah i totally forgot that song "wasted" with wyclef was amazing!

"wyclef so wasssssted, cartel so waaaaaasted yeaaaah"


hah


this album is like.. i dont know, a 67% for me. i love incubus as well but this album has reaaaaally boring parts sadly. at least incubus keeps their tracks experimental but interesting. favorite tracks are "i keep my secrets safe", "keep down","changing", "on my own"


the rest are ehhh


i hope these guys put a steller EP soon to make up for their mediocre follow up that will sadly become a sophmore slump (at least in the eyes of sao fans)
Boring is the best way to describe this album for me. I'm starting to lose interest in this band.

DanielJames
09/18/09, 08:25 AM
Interesting that you bring up Cartel's self-titled album because I compare the new Saosin album to theirs. Not in terms of musical style, but in terms of both bands branching out and releasing a more record label influenced album. I personally love Cartel's self-titled record just like I love this album. Taking Saosin's album for what it is, it's a pop-rock album with catchy hooks, great vocals, and solid (although somewhat dumbed downed) guitars. Even with a more "generic" sound, Saosin pull it off better than the majority of pop-rock bands out there today in the mainstream. It's a shame that some people are writing them off with this release because the album has been getting better and better with each listen.

Good review, although some sentences have awkward wordings. Keep it up.

jasonisasleep
09/18/09, 08:59 AM
to me, this albums sounds like b-sides from the first...nothing new, nothing different, and nothing as good.

bite2brkskn12
09/18/09, 09:07 PM
the new cd is pretty good. What i do like about it is that you actually know what the hell he;'s talking about. i read a review today in ap( you can check that out if you want) and cove even says that the last cd was written lyrically the way it was bc he was trying be like anythony. i really like the honesty in the new cd but theres no "its far better to learn" or voices.

Joey (J-Train)
09/18/09, 11:24 PM
To be honest I actually enjoy this album waaaay more than their self titled. The Self titled seem to blend a bit because they had the same sound but on this they change it up which makes me listen and love this album more.

kswizzle
09/19/09, 10:29 AM
i'm glad so many people are giving this album positive feedback. I really like Saosin and although this might not have been my favorite album, I like all the support they are getting. I will admit the album has grown on me a little bit, but I still stand by my ratings. I will say too that if you have the time, the album sounds better through a pair of head phones and not doing anything but listening

themakebelieve
09/19/09, 11:32 PM
i think the problem saosin has run into is that their previous releases were so technically amazing. the guitar riffs, the drums....all of it was so intricate and well done; so strong. they seem to have changed their sound a bit to more of the radio rock as stated above. what we have come to expect from saosin is not what they have delivered here. the inspirational guitar licks are not found, but i must say, "deep down" is one catchy "radio song". its not a bad record, i just feel it isnt a typical 'saosin' record. but it may put them over the top in the mainstream. had they released this first and then the self-titled record the praise would be through the roof. but, also, perhaps their "growth" was to break into the mainstream.....? 'voices' didnt quite make that happen....but i can see a few of these songs getting those casual ears.

i_am_sexy
09/20/09, 02:27 PM
I've been a die hard saosin fan for the past 4 years, and i have to say, they did impress me. Its different, a good different :)

JCircaSurviving
12/08/09, 12:47 AM
Holy crap I couldn't agree MORE! I thought I was the only one when I first heard it last night! my goodness! I first heard the EP (Grey EP) and I was like...sweet I'm looking forward to hearing the new album when it comes out! Then I hear the 3 songs redone and im like WTF?! I think you put it perfectly. OVER PRODUCED! I think that if it was "over-produced" by producers that weren't such capital D-bags then the "over-production of the 3 songs would not have been so bad. The fact that they had 3 additional idiots ( Butch Walker who produced Avril Lavigne and Katy Perry) John Feldmann (Escape the Fate), and guitarist Logan Mader (Five Finger Death Punch).on the team helping them record, produce, and contribute to the album. For one that's pretty self explanatory how douchey those people are. FFDP sucks and they are WAY to mad for no reason. Saosin even said in an interview that they went with different producers because they wanted to be more "marketable" . Can anyone say sellout? I think with all that said and done its safe to say that this record was "radio-ized" and or MTV'd. ( fully this time)This is the beginnning of the downfall of this band. Unless they get some original people back on board (Anthony Green, although I dont want him back with Saosin because that would mean less time with Circa Survive.) or some of the old producers, than I don't see anything good coming from this band in the future. Aside from that, I think there are a number of good songs on this album. Such as, The alarming sound...., The worst of me (EP version is better) and my favorite is surprisingly Fireflies. Not for the "Saosin" element, but the depth of the song itself.

As for Bifforama1. "Changing" is NOT still Saosin. The old Saosin would never put out such a boring chorus based "single" like that. Its dirty, the dynamics are flat, hardly any transitions and very dissapointing. Kswizzle said "Deep Down" twice in fact. Now you look super retarded. thanks for the laugh though.

As a drummer, This album is especially excruciating concidering the fact that I really respected and admired Mr. Alex Rodriguez' drumming. It went to shit in this album. I think the producers completely put him in a cage and tied his hands behind is back. It's such a sad thing to hear.

I give this review a 9 out of 10.
Well said Kswizzle.

Rickaly
02/17/10, 10:03 AM
i wouldve been happier with their s/t sound than this. theyre only another band fallen victim to the mainstream world. this album isnt great at all it has no excitement or high points and the only good musicianship in this album are the drums in the worst of me. i was soooo dissapointed with this. they were my favorite band with their s/t but i listened to this for like a week and got tired of it.

Icebergdrumr
03/03/11, 09:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0SjJGF-nWQ