Hollywood!

[Safetyin#]

Why do you think hollywood is so left wing? Are they just smarter then the rest of us? Or is that they live in a make believe world where money, responsibilities, morals, and ethics aren't important?

Most actors don't have a college education and a fair number droped out of highschool to persue acting, but yet Nep (not picking on you i just wanted to start a new thread) would have you believe that all liberals are smarter then conservatives, so then wouldn't these people have to be conservative by that standard, because they lack an education?


One problem i've had with hollywood/and tv is that when we told them there shows were to violent adn we didnt agree with that they told us "just don't watch," but now that we don't agree with there politics they tell us we can't stop watching because that is infact blacklisting them. Now what is the difference? Why did they tell not to watch when we didn't agree with one thing but telling us we cant stop watching when we disagreed with another?

[xnotedgex]

lacking and education doesn't equal lacking intelligence...people don't get their political views from organized education

[therealhebm]

famous and pretty does not equal smart. just cause somone is on tv does not make them a better or more inteligent person than you are. so dont listen to any advice any celebrity gives you, unless he/she really knows what theyre talking about (this isnt too hard to find out, just see if what they say makes snese)

[yeat182]

Originally posted by xnotedgex
lacking and education doesn't equal lacking intelligence...people don't get their political views from organized education


people don't get their political views from movie stars either...

[xTSTLx]

Originally posted by Safetyin#


Most actors don't have a college education and a fair number droped out of highschool to persue acting



that would actually support the idea that they are more liberal, statistically speaking, the more educated one is, the more conservative they are

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by xTSTLx
that would actually support the idea that they are more liberal, statistically speaking, the more educated one is, the more conservative they are

well nep will disagree with you on that. but ill wait to comment until i see what he has to say.

[amishman]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
well nep will disagree with you on that. but ill wait to comment until i see what he has to say.

I dislike that argument. Does that mean that intelligent people are more liberal. I think these educated people may have majored in Liberal Arts in college. There political views are taught to the students (who I believe lean toward the left to begin with). Anyway, not all of Hollywood is liberal. Look at Dennis Miller, I think he is a Democrat, but he is conservative. I believe Ben Stein use to write speeches for Nixon (and no one will question his intelligence). There are many others in Hollywood who are not liberal.

[Atomic Punk]

Originally posted by amishman
I dislike that argument. Does that mean that intelligent people are more liberal. I think these educated people may have majored in Liberal Arts in college. There political views are taught to the students (who I believe lean toward the left to begin with). Anyway, not all of Hollywood is liberal. Look at Dennis Miller, I think he is a Democrat, but he is conservative. I believe Ben Stein use to write speeches for Nixon (and no one will question his intelligence). There are many others in Hollywood who are not liberal.

yes but what everyone is saying is that generally hollywood (actors musicians etc) are more liberal. arnold schwarteneggar is conservative. ted nugent is conservative. but most of hollywood is liberal.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by amishman
I dislike that argument. Does that mean that intelligent people are more liberal. I think these educated people may have majored in Liberal Arts in college. There political views are taught to the students (who I believe lean toward the left to begin with). Anyway, not all of Hollywood is liberal. Look at Dennis Miller, I think he is a Democrat, but he is conservative. I believe Ben Stein use to write speeches for Nixon (and no one will question his intelligence). There are many others in Hollywood who are not liberal.
Oh i was being gerneral, i know not all of hollywood is liberal just about ever big name action stars is conservative. sorry if i made it sound that way.

What i was tring to get at is "why is most of hollywood so ultra-liberal?"

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by xnotedgex
people don't get their political views from organized education

Actually the weaker ones do, look at the college students that are out protesting right now.

[Stompemplay]

Originally posted by Atomic Punk
yes but what everyone is saying is that generally hollywood (actors musicians etc) are more liberal. arnold schwarteneggar is conservative. ted nugent is conservative. but most of hollywood is liberal.

Wouldn't that be funny if Arnold Shwartzenneger was pro gun-conrol?

[EmoMoose86]

hahaha

[xTSTLx]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by amishman
I dislike that argument. Does that mean that intelligent people are more liberal. I think these educated people may have majored in Liberal Arts in college. There political views are taught to the students (who I believe lean toward the left to begin with). Anyway, not all of Hollywood is liberal. Look at Dennis Miller, I think he is a Democrat, but he is conservative. I believe Ben Stein use to write speeches for Nixon (and no one will question his intelligence). There are many others in Hollywood who are not liberal. [/QUOTE


I think ya missed what i meant, this is statistically speaking, the less education one has, the more likely they are going to be liberal, generally speaking

[amishman]

[QUOTE]I think ya missed what i meant, this is statistically speaking, the less education one has, the more likely they are going to be liberal, generally speaking [QUOTE]

I won't disagree with that at all. I feel the same way.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by Stompemplay
Wouldn't that be funny if Arnold Shwartzenneger was pro gun-conrol?

gun control and gun banning are two different things.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
gun control and gun banning are two different things.
correct, i am all for gun control, yet i still want to own my 9mm in case some psyco comes into my house. gun control dissalows convicts to obtain guns, certain types of guns, certain age groups guns. gun contol is still allowing guns, yet regulating. and im all for regulation

[xTSTLx]

Originally posted by amishman
[QUOTE]I think ya missed what i meant, this is statistically speaking, the less education one has, the more likely they are going to be liberal, generally speaking [QUOTE]

I won't disagree with that at all. I feel the same way.

oh....sorry

[blaarg]

never take anything any movie star says that's remotely political seriously. don't get me wrong, i'm against the war on iraq but these limosene liberals say "we can't go to war over oil, the american economy is too strong... blah blah blah" meanwhile they get paid 20 mil for a movie and are basically what makes the american economy strong. if they really believed in their "causes" they wouldn't keep all of their money.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by blaarg
never take anything any movie star says that's remotely political seriously. don't get me wrong, i'm against the war on iraq but these limosene liberals say "we can't go to war over oil, the american economy is too strong... blah blah blah" meanwhile they get paid 20 mil for a movie and are basically what makes the american economy strong. if they really believed in their "causes" they wouldn't keep all of their money.


and they drive huge caddillac escaldes and shit that gets like 10 miles to the gallon....

[blaarg]

Originally posted by yeat182
and they drive huge caddillac escaldes and shit that gets like 10 miles to the gallon....
exactly, they're huge hypocrites and millions of americans get their views from them.

[WithStamin]

Right. There Hollywood people are the biggest hypocrits ever. Say "no blood for oil", drive a 10 mpg Caddilac. Say you're fighting for the poor live in multimillion dollar mansions. These people just have never known the value of money becuase they've never had to actually work for it; just make bad movies.

[amishman]

No, they are just famous and think people should care what they say because they are famous. I guess conceited would be the word to use? Yeah, some of those celebrities probably make more money than some countries' GNP.

[The Nephilm]

Originally posted by xTSTLx
[QUOTE]Originally posted by amishman
I dislike that argument. Does that mean that intelligent people are more liberal. I think these educated people may have majored in Liberal Arts in college. There political views are taught to the students (who I believe lean toward the left to begin with). Anyway, not all of Hollywood is liberal. Look at Dennis Miller, I think he is a Democrat, but he is conservative. I believe Ben Stein use to write speeches for Nixon (and no one will question his intelligence). There are many others in Hollywood who are not liberal. [/QUOTE


I think ya missed what i meant, this is statistically speaking, the less education one has, the more likely they are going to be liberal, generally speaking

Statistically speaking colleges in America are much more liberal than conservative. Therefore one could argue that the more education you recieve, the more liberal you will be.

[xTSTLx]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
Statistically speaking colleges in America are much more liberal than conservative. Therefore one could argue that the more education you recieve, the more liberal you will be.


also, the more educatin one has, the more money they tend to make, than the more money someone has, the more conservative they are...this is all statistically speaking

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
Statistically speaking colleges in America are much more liberal than conservative. Therefore one could argue that the more education you recieve, the more liberal you will be.
You could argue, but that would be crazy. Yes liberals are in a higher number in college. But so are the numbers of guys doing beer bongs, keg stands, nude polo in the river, weed, beat of 10 times a day, eat an entire pizza, tag football naked, watch jackass...the list goes on. What I am trying to say is people change...a lot. How many 45 year old guys do you see doing a keg stand

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
Statistically speaking colleges in America are much more liberal than conservative. Therefore one could argue that the more education you recieve, the more liberal you will be.

I'll give ya that most college prof. are liberal or socialist, but thats becasue there lives evolve around the campus and for the most part they dont interact with the real world or business, which means that they dont have to put there flawed thoeries to the test.

College students think there liberal because for the most part they lack the ability to think for themselves, because through out most of there lives there parents have done it for them, so now that there away at college they look for some one else to think for them and most of these students choose there prof. to do it.

That is why most college students will go back to being conservative the minute they leave college.

[blaarg]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
I'll give ya that most college prof. are liberal or socialist, but thats becasue there lives evolve around the campus and for the most part they dont interact with the real world or business, which means that they dont have to put there flawed thoeries to the test.

College students think there liberal because for the most part they lack the ability to think for themselves, because through out most of there lives there parents have done it for them, so now that there away at college they look for some one else to think for them and most of these students choose there prof. to do it.

That is why most college students will go back to being conservative the minute they leave college.
first off: you have terrible spelling. that said, college prof. got where they are somehow, their lives didn't always revolve around the campus, they did have experiences in life before becoming a prof.
also: lots of people are conservative do to brainwashing in american schools.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by blaarg
first off: you have terrible spelling. that said, college prof. got where they are somehow, their lives didn't always revolve around the campus, they did have experiences in life before becoming a prof.
also: lots of people are conservative do to brainwashing in american schools.

writing quickly and spelling are my flaws..............i'm very sorry.
THERE ARE YOU HAPPY!!!!

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by blaarg
first off: you have terrible spelling. that said, college prof. got where they are somehow, their lives didn't always revolve around the campus, they did have experiences in life before becoming a prof.
also: lots of people are conservative do to brainwashing in american schools.

Brainwashing in school? Where did you go to school at, where i went most of what we heard was liberal propaganda. But to each there own.

Also prof. on most large campus don't leave, once there hired most normally continue there for life.

[evil zach]

Personally, almost everything I have been tought in high school has been capitalist propaganda. Exept for math and music.

[blaarg]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
Brainwashing in school? Where did you go to school at, where i went most of what we heard was liberal propaganda. But to each there own.

Also prof. on most large campus don't leave, once there hired most normally continue there for life.
well proffesors weren't always proffesors. they did live outside of school and get to their position somehow.

and come on... schools teach the cause of civil war was slavery as to not make america look bad, make people say the pledge of allegiance every morning, try to disallow people to show support for outside opinions... the list goes on.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by blaarg
well proffesors weren't always proffesors. they did live outside of school and get to their position somehow.

and come on... schools teach the cause of civil war was slavery as to not make america look bad, make people say the pledge of allegiance every morning, try to disallow people to show support for outside opinions... the list goes on.

Teaching that the civil war was about slavery is a VERY liberal idea, because its another way of showing how the white man oppressed the blacks (african americans), it also allows them to ignore the real roots of the civil war which was state rights, which to this day is an idea that still scares them (ie democrates.).

Pledge of allegiance being conservative? I thought it was a way of show pride in ones own country, heritage, and history No matter who ran it, or is in charge. But either way the liberals are tring to get rid of it now, because a persons not allowed, under there rule, to have pride in there home country or heritage.

And dont even begin to tell me that liberals are open minded, if your not one of them: your backwards, ignorant, RACIST, Facist, out to distroy the enviroment, oppressive, ect.



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You know what i really dont want to get in an arguement over this because niether of us are going to change our minds, You feel that schools are overly conservative and i feel there overly liberal, i think it sould be left at that.

[Safetyin#]

Originally posted by evil zach
Personally, almost everything I have been tought in high school has been capitalist propaganda. Exept for math and music.

Liberal ideas can be, and are for the most part, capitalistic.

But this is off the subject i had in mind.

You know whats funny is i bet we could have the same education with the same instructures, books, and work; and we would both come away thinking that we just got a bias eduction, Me overly liberals nad you overly conservative. But niether being true?

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Safetyin#
Liberal ideas can be, and are for the most part, capitalistic.

But this is off the subject i had in mind.

You know whats funny is i bet we could have the same education with the same instructures, books, and work; and we would both come away thinking that we just got a bias eduction, Me overly liberals nad you overly conservative. But niether being true?
i really have to agree with you on that. our schools could be just normal but we tend to think they are biased. honestly, some classes dont hold much water as being a politically influenced class. gym? math? cooking? politics written all over it (dripping with sarcasm). classes such as english and history are classes that hold political influence. if you can tell me straight that damn near all of the english teachers in america are not liberals, you are one good liar. think about it, poetry. i know there is an exception to every rule, but english teachers are the most liberal bunch of teachers. history, i would say is a lot closer. but it holds a TON of political influence. if a teacher dissagrees with something, they can present it in a way that makes it fit their agenda. my 20th century history teacher, who i am convinced is a commie, said that lenin was a genius and stalin doesnt deserve the bad rap he had, he was just mislead. can you say biased? and science, evolution. biased as well. tending to be the more christian based side of the political spectrum,do you think that most conservatives choose to teach evolution? doubt it. and for shit sake all art teachers are liberals who smoke weed every day, and you know it too. my photo teacher is the greatest guy in the world but he reeks of weed and is the leftest person i know aside from zach. so you can make a case for sure that schools are liberal. i really cant see a conservative side to things, but im sure someone can come up with it.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by Safetyin#

Most actors don't have a college education and a fair number droped out of highschool to persue acting, but yet Nep (not picking on you i just wanted to start a new thread) would have you believe that all liberals are smarter then conservatives, so then wouldn't these people have to be conservative by that standard, because they lack an education?




It isn't about education really. Its about having lived. Looking at the birth dates of those who post regularly, there were alot of 1987ers. and a few early '80's. I was born in '86. That makes most of us highschoolers, and a few college kids. and we sit and argue about the war everyday, and (i think and hope) take these debates seriously. so don't go bitching about actors having no real education. most of the people your chatting with arn't in college yet.

[evil zach]

yeah. There is alot more to education then a diploma. I'd take real life expirence over a university degree any day.
i really cant see a conservative side to things, but im sure someone can come up with it.
grade 10 civics. Propaganda at its finest. I still have bad dreams about it. And the worst part it was only worth .5 of a crdit! how fucked is that?

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
yeah. There is alot more to education then a diploma. I'd take real life expirence over a university degree any day.
i really cant see a conservative side to things, but im sure someone can come up with it.
grade 10 civics. Propaganda at its finest. I still have bad dreams about it. And the worst part it was only worth .5 of a crdit! how fucked is that?
I took civics my freshman year and if anything it was a billboard for gay people. Yes my teacher was gay, and he did actually like men, so maybe that is what had the influence on it. Explain the conservatism in civics to me please. And real life experience may actually make you more intelligent than a diploma, but what is gonna get you the job? I see where you are coming from, but if you would rather have real life experience and no diploma,you will then have the real life experience of working at McDonalds, or you will probably go collect welfare....son of a bitch! Fuck welfare.