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Salomonbz90
04/23/06, 08:06 PM
Iran.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/04/23/iran.nuclear/index.html

selftitled85
04/23/06, 08:29 PM
Iran.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/04/23/iran.nuclear/index.html


honestly america is in no situation to act. if america were smart they would scrap the india deal and maybe then iran would be willing to budge...

catscradle
04/23/06, 09:12 PM
This is less the U.S.'s problem and more of the world's problem. The U.N. needs to grow some balls and do something about Iran and force them to discontinue the enrichment of Uranium, or make Iran continue the practice under strict U.N. supervision.

nivek87
04/24/06, 07:02 AM
U.S. lawmakers say intelligence information is lacking



whats new

Salomonbz90
04/24/06, 07:23 AM
The article quotes Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as saying that the Iranian army would "cut off the hand of any aggressor." We all know that the US is going to intervene even more than they are now, thus leading to major problems b/w us and them. And I do agree, the UN needs to step in and take action, but I doubt that anything action they take will be sufficient enough to stop Iran from continuing their Uranium enrichment process.

Trainsaw
04/24/06, 07:51 AM
n/m NNPT.

selftitled85
04/24/06, 08:06 AM
n/m NNPT.


well the us has already completely destroyed the npt so we cant use it as an excuse.

cal1082
04/24/06, 10:12 AM
honestly america is in no situation to act. if america were smart they would scrap the india deal and maybe then iran would be willing to budge...

and Jessie Jackson would really become a Reverend

cal1082
04/24/06, 10:13 AM
If i were in charge of the US I'd just sit back and let Israel deal with them and then support them. Because I'm guessing that's bound to happen before the UN could do anything. Sanctions would be the first option and that option is pretty much out the window.

justinevans
04/24/06, 11:39 AM
The Un Is The Biggest Waste Of Anything.

Salomonbz90
04/24/06, 01:09 PM
The Un Is The Biggest Waste Of Anything.
i couldnt agree more. look at all the times they've sat around while shit hits the fan.

justinevans
04/24/06, 01:43 PM
i couldnt agree more. look at all the times they've sat around while shit hits the fan.

for it being very cold and a long hitch-hiking journey from mexico, yes we have a lot.
we're also top 5 in the country (forgot the exact number) in terms of # of arabs, as well.

they're just one big loose pussy.

not don't get me wrong, I do not condone them for forcing military action on every bad place, but fucking do something. inflict fear in corrupt nations.

why do think we got away with Iraq? we knew they wouldn't do shit.

catscradle
04/24/06, 02:46 PM
The Un Is The Biggest Waste Of Anything.
couldn't agree more.
If the U.S. left, the U.N. would be in shambles. We are the heart, lungs, and backbone of the U.N.

Save my day
04/24/06, 03:07 PM
Who cares, nuclear apocalypse is imminent.

justinevans
04/24/06, 06:42 PM
Who cares, nuclear apocalypse is imminent.

ha.

richter915
04/25/06, 08:02 AM
oh no, a non-European nation (aka, non-america's bitch nation)...that wants to create nuclear power maybe, just maybe, to avoid being invaded like their middle eastern neighbors...that is just horrible and inhumane. We must bring them freedom.

cal1082
04/25/06, 09:18 AM
oh no, a non-European nation (aka, non-america's bitch nation)...that wants to create nuclear power maybe, just maybe, to avoid being invaded like their middle eastern neighbors...that is just horrible and inhumane. We must bring them freedom.

That logic might hold true if this program got underway soon after Iraq, but it doesnt for the fact that this has been going on for years.

selftitled85
04/25/06, 12:27 PM
That logic might hold true if this program got underway soon after Iraq, but it doesnt for the fact that this has been going on for years.

so then you must also take into account that the leaders before ahmadinejad were nowhere near as radical.

it may for that fact...be civilian.

but america needs to pick and choose its battles wisely. the india deal is going to nip them in the ass if iran seriously hits the fan.

cal1082
04/25/06, 01:03 PM
so then you must also take into account that the leaders before ahmadinejad were nowhere near as radical.

it may for that fact...be civilian.

but america needs to pick and choose its battles wisely. the india deal is going to nip them in the ass if iran seriously hits the fan.

Yes........that's why they've taken steps to hide the program from the UN and have avoided other types of nuclear techonology which can not lead to nuclear weapons.

It's stupid to even attempt to assume it's for civilian use now based on the 50's or 60's when there was a friendly western leader in place.

richter915
04/25/06, 01:25 PM
Yes........that's why they've taken steps to hide the program from the UN and have avoided other types of nuclear techonology which can not lead to nuclear weapons.

It's stupid to even attempt to assume it's for civilian use now based on the 50's or 60's when there was a friendly western leader in place. I think you mean "western friendly leader"...I really dislike that global politics has to be shaped around approval of Western democracies but that's a different issue. I have a lot of weak points on this issue but to sum it up I just think it's unfair to immediately bar countries western nations see as threatening from developing arms and using the UN as it's tool to do so. At the same time I understand that more likely than not, Iranian nuclear development would be used to keep America in check and at bay...that's not in the best interest of the US I know.

selftitled85
04/25/06, 01:33 PM
Yes........that's why they've taken steps to hide the program from the UN and have avoided other types of nuclear techonology which can not lead to nuclear weapons.

It's stupid to even attempt to assume it's for civilian use now based on the 50's or 60's when there was a friendly western leader in place.


a western friendly leader who treated his people like crap.

seriously america is known for backing less than decent leaders.

the shah was terrible and ruthless. even if women had more rights then than they do now there were so many constraints on other liberties...

richter915
04/25/06, 01:39 PM
a western friendly leader who treated his people like crap.

seriously america is known for backing less than decent leaders.

the shah was terrible and ruthless. even if women had more rights then than they do now there were so many constraints on other liberties...
it's better that they beat their women than build nukes...that's the mentality I guess.

youcomebeforeyo
04/25/06, 03:40 PM
they're just one big loose pussy.

not don't get me wrong, I do not condone them for forcing military action on every bad place, but fucking do something. inflict fear in corrupt nations.

why do think we got away with Iraq? we knew they wouldn't do shit.

They can't do anything because of the veto power.

Which no nation (including the USA) are willing to give up.

The UN isn't useless, it provides the most humanitarian aid relief and a huge amount of peacekeepers across the world. Look at the Balkans for where it's working.

But there are flaws in its systems. Decisive action has to be agreed on by Russia, China, US, France and England.

It needs major reform.



I don't think Iran is a threat as long as no-one attacks Iran. But I think we will have another cold war situation.

cal1082
04/25/06, 05:11 PM
a western friendly leader who treated his people like crap.

seriously america is known for backing less than decent leaders.

the shah was terrible and ruthless. even if women had more rights then than they do now there were so many constraints on other liberties...

that has nothing to do with anything when it comes to whether or not a countries nuclear program is for civilan or military purposes. The two are unrelated completely.

cal1082
04/25/06, 05:12 PM
They can't do anything because of the veto power.

Which no nation (including the USA) are willing to give up.

The UN isn't useless, it provides the most humanitarian aid relief and a huge amount of peacekeepers across the world. Look at the Balkans for where it's working.

But there are flaws in its systems. Decisive action has to be agreed on by Russia, China, US, France and England.

It needs major reform.



I don't think Iran is a threat as long as no-one attacks Iran. But I think we will have another cold war situation.

tell that to israel and the terrorist groups which iran supports.

selftitled85
04/25/06, 05:15 PM
that has nothing to do with anything when it comes to whether or not a countries nuclear program is for civilan or military purposes. The two are unrelated completely.


but if you wonder about why many iranians hate the us...you dont need to look any farther than the shah.

cal1082
04/25/06, 05:18 PM
but if you wonder about why many iranians hate the us...you dont need to look any farther than the shah.

i dont undestand what this has to do with whether or not their nuclear program is civil or not

youcomebeforeyo
04/25/06, 05:19 PM
tell that to israel and the terrorist groups which iran supports.

Are these the same terrorist groups that Saddamn supported according to US intelligence?

Despite what you may think, Iran's leader isn't stupid. He's playing cat and mouse. Saying what he knows he can get away with. He won't attack Israel because he knows it will be the end of Iran, sure it won't go down without a fight but there are few nations which will jump on its side to defend it.

selftitled85
04/25/06, 05:22 PM
i dont undestand what this has to do with whether or not their nuclear program is civil or not

yeah sh i realize that.

cal1082
04/25/06, 05:27 PM
Are these the same terrorist groups that Saddamn supported according to US intelligence?

Yes it is. Both Iran and Iraq supported/support groups which goal is the destruction of Israel.

Despite what you may think, Iran's leader isn't stupid. He's playing cat and mouse. Saying what he knows he can get away with. He won't attack Israel because he knows it will be the end of Iran, sure it won't go down without a fight but there are few nations which will jump on its side to defend it.

I hope you're right, but if I'm in Israel and you have a guy talking about your destruction and supporting groups that are actively trying to destroy you................I wouldnt cross my fingers and hope he's simply playing a cat and mouse game.

selftitled85
04/25/06, 05:38 PM
president ahmadinejad is crazy. i will concede that fact. but invading iran is a terrible idea. honestly the best route for america is to start pumping as much money into alt resources. make yourself not so susceptible to market forces and you will have bargaining chips. but that will take YEARS to do.

murphy54
04/27/06, 08:23 AM
I agree with the first part..but I thinq that the problems are in the US