The Band Formerly Known as The Ataris

[Jason Tate]

The Ataris (http://www.absolutepunk.net/theataris)' new album Welcome the Night may have a tracklisting that looks similar to this:

1) The First Elegy
2) Begin Again from the Beginning
3) Cardiff-by the Sea
4) Secret Handshakes
5) When All Else Fails...
6) Cheyenne Line
7) We All Become Smoke
8) From the Last, Last Call
9) A Soundtrack for this Rainy Morning
10) Whatever Lies Help You Rest
11) The Ghost of Last December
12) Welcome the Night
13) Act Five, Scene Four, and So It Ends Like It Began

[Kram41]

Play nice, Jason.

[AreTwoKay]

I am listening to it right now

[Jason Tate]

Play nice, Jason.
Oh, right ... and I hate it. :)

[TakingBackNolan]

I love The Ataris, don't get me wrong. But I wish they matured their original sound instead of an all new monster. But I guess when you perfect the sound you are going for, it's time to change it. Oh well, I still can't wait for this album.

[Drew Beringer]

Never been a fan, probably won't check this out. I'll be too busy with Brand New, TBS, Thursday, and Moneen.

[Jason Tate]

I love The Ataris, don't get me wrong. But I wish they matured their original sound instead of an all new monster. But I guess when you perfect the sound you are going for, it's time to change it. Oh well, I still can't wait for this album.
Becoming a bad version of another genre isn't what I'd consider evolution.

[The Revisionist]

I will admit, the two new songs on Myspace sound a hell of a lot better than what I was expecting them to.

I mean, they don't really sound that much different from anything on so long, astoria.

[romantic rights]

i'll end up getting this.

[xearlynovemberx]

is there a release date yet?

[Jason Tate]

I will admit, the two new songs on Myspace sound a hell of a lot better than what I was expecting them to.

I mean, they don't really sound that much different from anything on so long, astoria.
Hahahaahahahaha...

[ra223]

I Dunno tate i really enjoy the clips i've heard. Although i just feel like they might have changed too much too fast. I understand he doesn't wanna write the poppy punk stuff anymore but this is sooooo different then old school Ataris.

I wish this was just a side project and not "The Ataris" but thats what it feels like to me

[7HD]

so long astoria was an awesome ataris record... i wish they could have built off that more

[Jason Tate]

I Dunno tate i really enjoy the clips i've heard. Although i just feel like they might have changed too much too fast. I understand he doesn't wanna write the poppy punk stuff anymore but this is sooooo different then old school Ataris.

I wish this was just a side project and not "The Ataris" but thats what it feels like to me
The clips don't drag on ...

[romantic rights]

The clips don't drag on ...

i'll judge when i hear it.

[The Revisionist]

Hahahaahahahaha...Well, guffawing certainly proved whatever point you were trying to make.

[PowderedMilkMan]

Blue Skies, Broken Hearts was an awesome ataris record... i wish they could have built off that more

I fixed it for you.

[Jason Tate]

Well, guffawing certainly proved whatever point you were trying to make.
Where do you conclude I was trying to make a point? My point was made in my first post: I hate the CD. I don't need to really offer much more insight.

[The Revisionist]

I think I am one of the few Ataris fans who just can't stand Blue Skies, Broken Hearts... Next 12 Exits. I think the flow of the album is awkward, and a lot of the songs in the second half are just not very good at all.

...End is Forever > so long, astoria > Anywhere But Here > Blue Skies, Broken Hearts... Next 12 Exits

[7HD]

I fixed it for you.
i would have said that but they built off it with the end is forever, and then again with so long astoira..... they just stopped after that

[The Revisionist]

Where do you conclude I was trying to make a point? My point was made in my first post: I hate the CD. I don't need to really offer much more insight.I suppose I just don't understand why you felt the need to laugh at something that was clearly my personal opinion.

And, if you've heard the CD, can you give a bias-free description of what it sounds like? I'm interested to know if the two songs on Myspace are a good indicator of the album's sound.

[Jason Tate]

I think I am one of the few Ataris fans who just can't stand Blue Skies, Broken Hearts... Next 12 Exits. I think the flow of the album is awkward, and a lot of the songs in the second half are just not very good at all.

...End is Forever > so long, astoria > Anywhere But Here > Blue Skies, Broken Hearts... Next 12 Exits
"I'm giving up on love, because it really sucks .."

There were some good songs on EiF, but some that are downright awful.

Track 13 is still the best song they ever wrote IMO though.

[Jason Tate]

I suppose I just don't understand why you felt the need to laugh at something that was clearly my personal opinion.

And, if you've heard the CD, can you give a bias-free description of what it sounds like? I'm interested to know if the two songs on Myspace are a good indicator of the album's sound.
Because you've heard two songs and I was laughing at the implication of what you're in for after hearing more then just two.

What songs are on myspace? I don't know because I don't listen to clips, I always wait for a full CD. Every song basically sounds the same though: slow, horrible vocals out of range (on both ends), pretentious overuse of musical instruments, bad lyrics. That's about it. I was bored out of my skull. No hint of anything "fun" in the songs. The Ataris were always a fun band for me, I never listend to them for any other reason. Trying to hard, kills it for me.

[anishkabob]

what does it sound like?

EDIT - just saw your post, sorry.

[The Revisionist]

^ A good example of just a fun poppunk song. I will admit I am partial to it because it was the first Ataris album I bought, but even with the songs that leaned on the border of lackluster, they sounded like they reached more of an emotional point with Kris(topher). Blue Skies, Broken Hearts sounds like they just wrote a ton of songs that they knew would be popular for the first half, and then a ton of crap for the second half.

I'm not even sure why I am trying to justify my reasoning, I am always in the minority when it comes to this album, haha.

[ra223]

But Tate Kris is so old now maybe he doesn't wanna still sing about stuff when he was 18?
Again i like it its really good its just not "The Ataris"

[Jason Tate]

But Tate Kris is so old now maybe he doesn't wanna still sing about stuff when he was 18?
Again i like it its really good its just not "The Ataris"
Did he sing about stuff when he was 18 on the last album?

Basically removing every member, adding 6 new ones, and then releasing an album with the same name as your old band is kinda lame IMO. Change the name, and then let people judge it on it's own. It'd still think it was musical Nyquil, but at least I wouldn't be comparing it to a band I spent the last 7 years listening to and loving.

[The Revisionist]

Because you've heard two songs and I was laughing at the implication of what you're in for after hearing more then just two.

What songs are on myspace? I don't know because I don't listen to clips, I always wait for a full CD. Every song basically sounds the same though: slow, horrible vocals out of range (on both ends), pretentious overuse of musical instruments, bad lyrics. That's about it. I was bored out of my skull. No hint of anything "fun" in the songs. The Ataris were always a fun band for me, I never listend to them for any other reason. Trying to hard, kills it for me.I'm not sure if that was bias-free, but ok.

The two songs on Myspace are "The Cheyenne Line" and "Whatever Lies Help You Rest", as well as clips from "Secret Handshakes" and "Cardiff By The Sea". And thankfully for my attempting to discuss this after a few drinks, you highlighted where we are going to differentiate on opinions. I always thought the Ataris were "fun" as well, but when I discovered them in high school and for a year or so afterwards, they really struck a strong chord with me as far as what I felt was important with my life and the direction I wanted to take it. I still can listen to them for "fun", but I also fully connect Kris' lyrics with discovering what I value most in life, and for that reason they will always be a little more important than just any other "poppunk"/whatever band. I guess we just look at them differently.

[Jason Tate]

I'm not sure if that was bias-free, but ok.

The two songs on Myspace are "The Cheyenne Line" and "Whatever Lies Help You Rest", as well as clips from "Secret Handshakes" and "Cardiff By The Sea". And thankfully for my attempting to discuss this after a few drinks, you highlighted where we are going to differentiate on opinions. I always thought the Ataris were "fun" as well, but when I discovered them in high school and for a year or so afterwards, they really struck a strong chord with me as far as what I felt was important with my life and the direction I wanted to take it. I still can listen to them for "fun", but I also fully connect Kris' lyrics with discovering what I value most in life, and for that reason they will always be a little more important than just any other "poppunk"/whatever band. I guess we just look at them differently.
Cardiff by the Sea is basically the song that formed my opinion. It's boring, and it's a good indicator for what the rest of the CD sounds like. Over, and over, and over again.

[The Revisionist]

And if we want to get technical, John Collura stuck around from so long, astoria, I have yet to see proof that Kris himself actually removed Mike and Kid from the band, and (I mentioned this in one of those other threads), I do think Kris tried to change the name of the band, but Columbia was not too keen on that idea.

;)

[The Revisionist]

Hah, well apparently the album just leaked, so I will continue this conversation tomorrow.

Off to buy the new Goo Goo Dolls!

[irthesteve]

i can honestly say i am not excited for this at all, the myspace songs basically suck and i don't expect more from them.

[Jason Tate]

Hah, well apparently the album just leaked, so I will continue this conversation tomorrow.

Off to buy the new Goo Goo Dolls!
Haha, irony at it's finest. I'd love to hear other's thoughts ... (and yours).

[druck]

this first track is horrible. bah

edit- 2nd one is pretty cool though. this'll be a grower.

[Jason Tate]

this first track is horrible. bah

edit- 2nd one is pretty cool though. this'll be a grower.

:shoot:

[xearlynovemberx]

:shoot:

hahhahaha oh jason

[AreTwoKay]

Sure its very different from anything they have done, but I enjoy it alot.

[AreTwoKay]

this first track is horrible. bah

edit- 2nd one is pretty cool though. this'll be a grower.
Yeah the only song that I didn't care for was 1

[Snails]

I think it's total shit. Such a letdown, I was looking forward to this.

[WordzandDreamz]

wow jason, it seems as if your review of this cd is how i felt about the new thrice.

[romantic rights]

i just started it... i put the songs in the order you stated... cause they werent in any order when i started it... its unmastered... but once i finish it i'll give my oppinion.

p.s. i will not share nor do i know where i got it, it was randomly sent to me.

[3milesdown]

to clear up what was mentioned above, kris wanted to change the name, but columbia wouldnt let him. they had to stick with teh name the ataris.

[irthesteve]

to clear up what was mentioned above, kris wanted to change the name, but columbia wouldnt let him. they had to stick with teh name the ataris.
where did you hear this?

[3milesdown]

on the ataris message board kris said it himself. he had a FAQ about the new album just before they shut it down.

[mattregan]

Columbia is def going to drop them after this album sells really bad...

[irthesteve]

interesting

[3milesdown]

very interesting. ps i sent u a pm

[RuFio_RoCk]

Hah, well apparently the album just leaked, so I will continue this conversation tomorrow.


We know it was you tate :) oh and is this must be your highest contribution to one single thread in a a long time.

[soulineyes]

http://www.drivenfaroff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5398

I COMPLETELY AGREE JASON. SHOULD'VE CHANGED THEIR NAME!!!

[romantic rights]

meh. there are a few songs that my ears took notice too.


at least its not as bad as the new yellowcard cd.

[RuFio_RoCk]

meh. there are a few songs that my ears took notice too.


at least its not as bad as the new yellowcard cd.

So hypothetically.. if I like the new yellowcard cd.. then im going to like this? haha im on track one now...starting very slow.

[lesto17]

I would really like to hear this album...please...anyone?

[romantic rights]

So hypothetically.. if I like the new yellowcard cd.. then im going to like this? haha im on track one now...starting very slow.
... i guess. but if you ask me, after listening to the new yellocard album, i felt sorry for my ears. this one is nothing more than another record where just about nothing stood out to me and was mainly like background music... it really made no impression on me at all.

[RuFio_RoCk]

im going to be the first one to say i actually like some of these songs... alot. I agree they should have changed the name of the band.. but if Columbia wouldn't let them, then what could they do? Also this unmastered copy that leaked sounds kinda yucky so im gonna delete it till the album comes out. :) (hopefully soon!)

[therises54]

ysi
please

[oldskool]

there really must be something in the water that i don't know about. call it more than a coincidence but how come so many people and bands at the exact same time are jumping over from punk rock and into indie alternative rock. yes i know that the punk revival we are living through right now is really bad and watered down, but that just means that the good bands need to stick around and not let the bad ones take over. I dont really think any of these former bands are going down dark and uncharted territories by following the next indie rock trend. did so many punk kids and bands just mutually decide to leave punk to the bad bands and bail?? just my thoughts.

[romantic rights]

all i'll say is most of these new songs sounded better acoustic.

[NiceRico]

Love how so many people loved the songs until a certain webmaster proclaims his hate for them.

[Mitch]

Somehow, I have that first track.

[nicolerork]

Not a fan of the stuff they posted on myspace.


:(

[plain white t's]

I love The Ataris, don't get me wrong. But I wish they matured their original sound instead of an all new monster. But I guess when you perfect the sound you are going for, it's time to change it. Oh well, I still can't wait for this album.

well said

[TSLataris]

Jesus Christ, is this really The Ataris?

Change is usually good, but not in this case. I hate to say it, but I think this might be the first Ataris CD I dislike, or hate for that matter.

[Neo Cassady]

I'm digging "Cheyenne Line." I haven't heard the rest of the album yet, but I'll go into it with an open mind and hopefully come out of it with the realization that my favorite band hasn't let me down.

[mrzippo3]

Love how so many people loved the songs until a certain webmaster proclaims his hate for them.

yeah, seriously... I for one, think it sucks, and have since they put the 2 shitty clips on there in my opinion

[axl rose]

So, I've had the album for a while now and I love it. I have a super biased opinion because of my relationship with the band but I also know what has been going on. Kris and John wanted to write a record they felt they would actually listen to. They contemplated changing their name but Colombia suggested they keep the name and make the record they wanted to. The first version of this album was a little out there, it was good but very different. The label suggested they change a few things. While they were doing that, the band wrote and recorded 3 more songs. After that they changed the sequencing a bunch and came up with what they have now, a record they are proud of. If you listen to it with an open mind, you will see how great the record really is. If you are hoping for another "Blue Skies...", look elsewhere. Are the "Pop Punk" fans going to like this record? Probably not. Are the people who have been listening to this band since "Anywhere but Here" who have grown with the band (musically and age wise) will probably enjoy this record.

[GaryCondit]

I just saw the Ataris in Poughkeepsie last night and I have to say that the new material sounded awesome and they old songs they played, though sounding different, were great as well. I thought it was a good show and I am looking forward to hearing the actual album...leaked demos are never a good indicator of how the album will sound produced, mastered and with the songs fully realized.

This is my opinion. Takes as you will.

[Uncle Rico]

Is it really fair to be bashing the album so much before anyone has a chance to hear the whole thing?

Settle down, people and give it a chance.

[Paul Pelc]

This is a parody of a bad indie band. Spinal tap goes indie.

[Uncle Rico]

Basically removing every member, adding 6 new ones, and then releasing an album with the same name as your old band is kinda lame IMO. Change the name, and then let people judge it on it's own.
Honest question - did you hate Watashi Wa's (Eager Seas) for the same reason? Like the other people said, this might have been a Columbia thing.

[robdobi]

how come so many people and bands at the exact same time are jumping over from punk rock and into indie alternative rock. yes i know that the punk revival we are living through right now is really bad and watered down, but that just means that the good bands need to stick around and not let the bad ones take over. did so many punk kids and bands just mutually decide to leave punk to the bad bands and bail?? just my thoughts.

what "punk" bands are jumping over? yellowcard? UP THE BACKFLIP PUNX.

[RockVocalPower]

I agree with everything Chet said.

[space unicorn]

its not that the songs are all that bad...its just not the ataris, whether or not the name is changed, just not the ataris anymore.

[RockVocalPower]

Oh, and I'm kind of sad my favorite song got cut...

[TheWordsmith]

i've loved every ataris release, but this just isn't catching on for me

[zackotronic]

Oh, and I'm kind of sad my favorite song got cut...

what song is that?

[duffe]

ysi
please
dittobant !

[RockVocalPower]

what song is that?

"The Driftwood Sinn." I don't know if it was even recorded. Maybe I'll ask John.

[xTJx]

meh. there are a few songs that my ears took notice too.


at least its not as bad as the new yellowcard cd.

I guess I'm one of the few that didn't completely hate the Yellowcard cd...but by no means did I say it was spectacular.

This Ataris cd is not good

[MontysFC]

this album is going to bomb

[xTJx]

..Who is this band? Who are they trying to be? Honestly. It sounds like they're trying to be the Foo Fighters, but completely butcher it.

[bruce campbell]

this sounds great to me
idiots

[FASSWcore]

sounds awesome.. not the classic ataris sound, but eh.. whatever.

[uglystar03]

they should have dropped the name the ataris. that way in a couple of years we could all hope for an ataris reunion...you know, the band that lets a fan play san dimas?

[stfu_man]

I can understand Kris' reasoning behind the wanting to mature, change, and grow and not be singing songs he wrote when he was 20, but I think the band should have done this gradually rather than a full 360 in one album. I mean, my musical preferences have changed since middle school & highschool because I've also have grown & matured, but there are always those bands that are going to have a special place in your heart. I wish Kris took this in consideration. I like the song "Whatever Lies Help You Rest" & I like this kind of music, it'll just take time for me to realize it is The Ataris making it.

[justrockroll]

anyone with a ysi link? thanks

[RockVocalPower]

No.

[xTJx]

anyone with a ysi link? thanks

bant?

[xDinoCorex]

i am soooooo disappointed. i used to LOVE the Ataris. They shouldve just broke up and re-formed under a different name. THIS SHIT SUCKS.

[Seans9]

I can't believe columbia would let this happen.

[Bobcat46308]

Matchbook Romance sounded almost completely different on Voices and I enjoy that album a lot more than S&A. So I think I'll give the Ataris a chance with Welcome the Night. Going from being a Pop-Punk band to using "too many instruments" is not a band thing at all, in my opinion.

[Adeniz19]

i still wont believe everyone saying how bad this is until i hear it for myself

[we are cured]

its garbage.

[mrzippo3]

ha, yesterday, everyone was suckin kris's dick sayin how good this shit is.. whatever

[Amplifried]

ha, yesterday, everyone was suckin kris's dick sayin how good this shit is.. whatever

It’s nice to see Tate’s sycophants out in full force. It’s no big deal though; it’s been proven countless times before that his influence has no bearing on how well an album will sell, even if he likes to think it will. That said, I’m still on the fence about what I think about this stuff, but as of right now I’m sitting here wondering what happened to my Ataris.

[mrzippo3]

It’s nice to see Tate’s sycophants out in full force. It’s no big deal though; it’s been proven countless times before that his influence has no bearing on how well an album will sell, even if he likes to think it will. That said, I’m still on the fence about what I think about this stuff, but as of right now I’m sitting here wondering what happened to my Ataris.

ha, I know right? now more people are jumpin on the bandwagon, but yes, I miss the Ataris that would put on a Rock show...

[yanks2np]

I really wish they didn't change it up. I used to love the straining vocals and more poppy sound. So Long, Astoria is one of my favorite albums

[Zummy]

So Far I have only heard the first few tracks off of the cd but I like it. If you don't like idea of the new Ataris then just think of it as a completely new band who borrowed a name from another band. If you still don't like the cd then whatever... it's cool. Kris has been saying for months that this album was going to be way way different then anything he has ever done before so that would have been your first hint that the old Ataris sound wasn't going to be making a return. You either like this "new" kind of music or you don't. I am still a fan.

[happybirthday]

Are you all forgetting that Jason thought that Spill Canavas cd was the best in 2005?

[grimis16]

Sure its very different from anything they have done, but I enjoy it alot.

your banner kicks ass, GO AVS

[Uncle Rico]

It’s nice to see Tate’s sycophants out in full force. It’s no big deal though; it’s been proven countless times before that his influence has no bearing on how well an album will sell, even if he likes to think it will. That said, I’m still on the fence about what I think about this stuff, but as of right now I’m sitting here wondering what happened to my Ataris.
Haha indeed.

[team vheissu]

Are you all forgetting that Jason thought that Spill Canavas cd was the best in 2005?
hahahaha, point.

[s.deel.besonym]

Taters found himself the unmastered advance. Grats, Jason.

[Russ Hockenbury]

It's funny that the last two posts come from people that were likely banned (one I know for sure) for disagreeing with Jason about something.

[Burnout2888]

It's not the fact that I'm bandwagoning - I do like Cheyenne Line and I didn't hear the other song until I got the advance. But besides Cheyenne, there is one song I absolutely LOVE on it and the rest of the album makes me wonder what the hell happened. It was weird, because these songs in acoustic were REALLY, really good.

For the record, "So It Ends Like It Begins" is my favorite song on the album that I love.

Edit: I'm praying that this album grows on me... but I really do not think it's going to. As for the person who said think of it as a band who borrowed the name, I would but there's points where I hear the old Kris voice come out and I'm reminded that this, what I'm hearing, is the same Ataris that wrote SLA and BSBH.

[Uncle Rico]

It's funny that the last two posts come from people that were likely banned (one I know for sure) for disagreeing with Jason about something.
Who might that be?

[Jason Tate]

It’s nice to see Tate’s sycophants out in full force. It’s no big deal though; it’s been proven countless times before that his influence has no bearing on how well an album will sell, even if he likes to think it will. That said, I’m still on the fence about what I think about this stuff, but as of right now I’m sitting here wondering what happened to my Ataris.

Wait, this is proven? Where? Did I miss this study? You and I both know that's wrong (as stupid as it is). If you think for a second I care what people buy/don't buy, you're just way, way, way out there. I just like talking about music, and have had the odd phenomenon of the majority of people usually agreeing with me.

Are you all forgetting that Jason thought that Spill Canavas cd was the best in 2005?

That's supposed to be a "burn" or something? Because, uh, you can't really change your personal taste. As much as you'd like me to apparently.

Taters found himself the unmastered advance. Grats, Jason.

I did? Really? You sure know alot about me. I didn't find anything, the album was sent to me - and has been deleted from my computer (because I know I won't be buying it).

[Neo Cassady]

ysi
please
anyone with a ysi link? thanks

http://www.b0g.org/wsnm/uploads/stfu.gif

no one's going to ysi it.

[Mitch]

Listening now...So far it's alright, not HORRIBLE, but what the fuck. This is NOT the Ataris. >:(

[takingbackrufio]

Knowing them, this will probably be a ridiculous price when it comes out.

On a side note, it is impossible to read an every thread you post in entirely anymore.

[weworemasks]

Are you all forgetting that Jason thought that Spill Canavas cd was the best in 2005?

hahaha.

anyone with a ysi link? thanks



http://www.b0g.org/wsnm/uploads/stfu.gif

no one's going to ysi it.

jesus, that was great.

[Adeniz19]

this album isnt as bad as jason is making it out to be. it is not great but it's solid. if you are really stuck on the old ataris sound you probably wouldnt like this tho

[SaturnineMantra]

Everyone keeps complaining that this "isn't the Ataris."

What the fuck? Have you just ignored everything Kris has said for the past year? I knew a year ago that the new Ataris stuff was going to be a COMPLETE 360 from their previous material.

Personally, I'm excited for it. Kris is a fantastic songwriter, and I've always been fond of his stuff. A darker, more atmospheric Kris Roe could be incredible.

[Jason Tate]

this album isnt as bad as jason is making it out to be. it is great but it's solid. if you are really stuck on the old ataris sound you probably wouldnt like this tho
I just like staying awake through my music.

[Adeniz19]

I just like staying awake through my music.it does get off to a rough start but it picks up in the middle

[happybirthday]

That's supposed to be a "burn" or something? Because, uh, you can't really change your personal taste. As much as you'd like me to apparently.

Well Jason Tater Tots. I've read this thread and I've seen you laugh at people that liked this crap and well, now I'm laughing at you. You can't really change your personal taste.. as much as you'd like them to.


I did? Really? You sure know alot about me. I didn't find anything, the album was sent to me - and has been deleted from my computer (because I know I won't be buying it).

I think his point was that you judge an album before you've heard the mastered version.

And c'mon, "I did? Really?", you can totally shorten that to just "O RLY?".

[nud0]

I think Kris Roe had his moments.. But he - to me - is kind of an immature writer.. Some of his stuff is really run of the mill and generic and his words won't flow.. It's just very bland throughout the entire cd. I did like them back in high school, I also liked some of So Long Astoria.

I feel as though he is trying too hard to be like the bands that influence him (The Cure, My Bloody Valentine), and his voice has lost any form of originality.

This rubs off on the songs especially since his vocals are so dominant on the album. I think the music is good but the vocals are awful and possibly can't be saved by mastering the album.

This new stuff is a real departure, but I feel like he's trying to hard.. I dig some of it, but I dunno.. We'll see I guess..

[B4theblackout]

I'll be one to say im really impressed from what I've herd so far. I know jason will hate me for this and completely disagree, but for some reason this album has a spill canvas affect on me. The ataris people know dont exist anymore, something everyone has to except. Dont compare it to their old stuff, because even on their myspace it says... "so long astoria" was are most recent release, althought it sounds nothing like what we are up to these days"....and i really dont think this album will flop at all, i think this album will flop with their punk/pop punk fans, but opens many doors for them if given some push

[B4theblackout]

I just like staying awake through my music.

hey jason, if you read this i was wondering if you could possibly IM me or something on AIM, just because I havent seen you react so strong about a cd being so bad then you have with this one in awhile. your opinion is your opinion i'd just like to talk to you for a few mins about why you feel its so terrible, so if you have a second IM me at Lifeindreaming37, thanks.

[B4theblackout]

I guess one more thing, am i the only ones to be happy kris has matured since the days of all the boys of summer...

[Jason Tate]

Well Jason Tater Tots. I've read this thread and I've seen you laugh at people that liked this crap and well, now I'm laughing at you. You can't really change your personal taste.. as much as you'd like them to.



I think his point was that you judge an album before you've heard the mastered version.

And c'mon, "I did? Really?", you can totally shorten that to just "O RLY?".

1) Well, you pissed me off with your first line. At least now you gave me a legit reason to boot you off the website. Don't call me names asshole.

2) I have the mastered version.

3) You're a fucking tool.

[Radiology]

Oh, right ... and I hate it. :)

...and you also listen to the Spill Canvas

...and you also said that The Spill Canvas's album was better than Sigur Ros's "Takk..." and Coldplay's "X&Y"


...yeah, nough said....

oh and you like to stay awake while listening to music? then why did you say the singer of Acceptance has the best vocals and that "Phantoms" was such an amazing album.....

[The Revisionist]

JARED KAUFMAN MORE LIKE CHERRY COUGHDROP LOLZ ROFL

(I haven't listened to the album yet, J.Tizzle, I will hit you up on AIM or Facebook when I do)

[zizou1790]

shuold be a chill album ill prob buy it

[ever so sweet20]

i personally love this cd. so screw all the haters.


edit: jason.. you think that the spill canvas' cd is better then takk? how many drugs are you on?

[jkretz]

i'm glad kris made an album he likes, and didn't care if he disappointed. you don't make music for fans, you make it for yourself and if others enjoy it great, but at the end of the day you need to be happy with what you've created.

thus far this is actually the best thing the ataris have done.

maybe they should have changed their name, but no matter what kris roe does people will compare it to the ataris. at least this way he gets out of some contractual obligation.

i can see why some people are disappointed. but how many times can the man be expected to release the same album?

[jkretz]

i personally love this cd. so screw all the haters.


edit: jason.. you think that the spill canvas' cd is better then takk? how many drugs are you on?

indeed, takk was one of the best cds to be released in 2005. the spill canvas wouldn't even make my top 100 of 2005, but my guess would be we have very different tastes.

[guirock]

such a disappointment for me
:(

[Pat Brown]

Let It Burn is one of my all-time favorite songs. A change to this new stuff is a bigger one than michael jackson from black to white.

[oldskool]

how can one band go from one extreme to another??? it's like how all the sheep (scene douches) used to love punk, then they went to emo, now the love indie rock. when will this S*** end.

[domesticyeti]

i hated the old ataris, but i really like the new stuff i've heard

although i did like san dimas. but that goes without saying

[3milesdown]

I agree with everything Chet said.

chet the merch guy?



ps columbia wouldnt let them change their name, stop syaing they should have changed it.

[waggy]

end is forever is the only ataris cd i really like. blue skies is just ok in my opinion and so long astoria has some great tracks but is mediocre overall (however i loved it 3 years ago). that said, i really liked the 2 songs that were on the myspace page, but jason's right, this album blows. at best it's a bad clarity rip-off. and i'm not one of his sycophants, i love disagreeing with the guy.

[abusedcat]

man, i'm really curious about this. they need a release date.

[ParisInFlames55]

this will more than like not be read, but i love what i have heard. the ataris showed they were transitioning away on so long astoria, and this is the next step that kris roe was reaching for. i don't know if i love the record yet, but i love the two full songs on myspace. tate you hate it, i get it, let it be. i don't care enough for witty responses, and your opinion is fine by me. let the others have their opinions. if they hate you, they hate you. i've been with this site just about as long as you have, and i know we have very different opinions about music and the way things should be here. the record is going to be released, and it is fine that you may despise it. just let the music do the talking here, instead of yourself.

[Pat Brown]

starting off by saying that something won't be read makes me actually want to read it.

[TomAce]

well, i knew exactly what this cd was gonna be. Kris has been describing it for almost a year now as "rainy day music" and thats exactly what it is. Personally I love it, and think its probably the best thing theyve ever put out. Ive never really needed alot in my music to really catch my oppinion, in fact sometimes i like to just space out to some "boring" music. I personally think "Secret Handshakes" is the best song theyve ever written, and im prepaired and willing to accept the barrage of "San Dimas". But think about this, if its such a great song, why is it they pull up 14 year old kids every night that for the most part dont know shit about guitar, and yet can play it. Ill just go ahead and say it now, that theirs alot more to music than just hooks.

[WinnerTakesAll]

the new thing this year... pop-punk frontmen trying to create "art" (and falling short).

(i.e. Tom Delonge, Kris "Kristopher" Roe)

[WinnerTakesAll]

sidenote: #9.) "A Soundtrack For This Rainy Morning" is the key song that is actually extremely good.

it's the one savior of this album that tends to fall short more often than not.

[axl rose]

[quote=3milesdown]chet the merch guy?quote]
yep, thats me

[emerson1892]

i saw the ataris with smackin isaha (sp) which is now a wilhelm scream and chris roe stunk so bad then i saw them a week later and he smelled even worse but the shows were fun and we got to get up on stage and sing which was sweet except that kris row(hc spelling) stunk so bad and there drummer hooked up with a 15 year old in a bathroom at the venue classy classy band...........and jon should have never left beefcake or the hudson valley scene cause now it blows balls

[WinnerTakesAll]

kris is no "hc spelling"...

that's how he spells his name.

[booyah.achieved]

i saw the ataris with smackin isaha (sp) which is now a wilhelm scream and chris roe stunk so bad then i saw them a week later and he smelled even worse but the shows were fun and we got to get up on stage and sing which was sweet except that kris row(hc spelling) stunk so bad and there drummer hooked up with a 15 year old in a bathroom at the venue classy classy band...........and jon should have never left beefcake or the hudson valley scene cause now it blows balls
You look fucking retarded man, lmao.

[st5150]

Was Kris trying to get revenge on his fans with this album or something? I got the feeling over the past 2 years he grew to hate his fans. Clearly this album will be a flop. It's bad. Really really bad. If it didn't have the Ataris name on it (or kris roe), no one would be talking about it now. They would be another talentless unsigned band.

[WinnerTakesAll]

yeah... he has yelled at the audience numerous occasions in the past few years... really sad... really pathetic.

"you'll never fuckin' hear 'Teenage Riot' again! i'll NEVER play that song again! ok?!"

yeah.

way to go "KRISTOPHER"

biznatch.

[jmarellano]

Ok. I am one of the few who has heard mastered songs off the CD, and they do sound better than these but in no way change any taste of the cd. It just sounds better.

Jason's opinion is so, let him be people. I bash him enough sometimes on my own website on certain things, but its his opinion.

I, for one, do like some of the songs that I have heard. And there are some (Like Welcome the night) that I dont like. Yes, Evan, Driftwood Sinn was really good. Thank god I recorded a live version of it (even though it was shitty quality). Was it on that DVD I made from the show way back when, I cant remember. Anyway, tell me on my board.

Chet brought up the good point, Kris didnt want to call this band "The Ataris". Because tehy are not "The Ataris". Its no longer the pop-punk band that everyone is used to. A majority of the people who have heard it on my website have opinons on it. And its a toss, I would say 50 / 50, that either you like it or you dont.

Just remember:

- Kris didnt want to call this band The Ataris
- Kris has gone thorough many changes in the last few years
- Not a lot of people near 30 really cares for writing new pop-punk.
- A lot of people's musical tastes have evolved in the last few years.


Anyway, I am not listening to this cd until the actual release. I support kris and john and their new endeavor. This is just the beginning of something new and who knows how the next cd will be. It could be the biggest pile of shit ever, or the most brilliant cd that some people will be jacking off too and saying "OMG THIS IS THE BEST EVER".

you can't always relive the past.....

[st5150]

yeah... he has yelled at the audience numerous occasions in the past few years... really sad... really pathetic.

"you'll never fuckin' hear 'Teenage Riot' again! i'll NEVER play that song again! ok?!"

yeah.

way to go "KRISTOPHER"

biznatch.

Wowzers, what show was this?

I'm purposely not buying the new record as to not help his pocketbook. He's on a high horse now and doesn't think his shit stinks. Sounds like he's well on his way to be a washup has-been in a few years. Very sad to see considering The Ataris had so much potential after EIF and Kris just pissed it away.