So John McCain

[TJ Wells]

seems to be the front-runner, at least now, to be running in '08. Would you vote for him? I really think he'd be a great President.

[Trainsaw]

I'm very much against conservative views, but I like McCain a good bit so its always a possibility

[TJ Wells]

I'm very much against conservative views, but I like McCain a good bit so its always a possibility
yeah he seems to be the first guy to come along in awhile who can appeal to everyone...plus he's got the jon stewart vote locked in, which is a much larger # than you might think.

[aCe_]

I'd definitely vote for him. He doesn't sit on one side of the fence, he has his views and he sticks to them.

[Trainsaw]

yeah he seems to be the first guy to come along in awhile who can appeal to everyone...plus he's got the jon stewart vote locked in, which is a much larger # than you might think.
Yeah, he's an admirable guy. A war vetern, and he seems like he cares about the right thing than some political angle in most situations. He's not afraid to go against his own party and speak up about it if he doesn't think its the correct thing to be doing. He'll probably have my vote unless the Democratic nominee really catches my eye.

[fedhed7]

I consider myself a Democrat, but if John McCain runs for president in '08, I'm definately voting for him.

[I am all talk]

same as said about. I'm a democrat but I've liked McCain for as long as I can remember. I'd have trouble voting for any democrat, past or present (with the exceptions of the big names FDR, Kennedy, Clinton) over him.

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

I consider myself a Democrat, but if John McCain runs for president in '08, I'm definately voting for him.

totally

[Broken Parachute]

John McCain is seriously going to kill Hillary if they go against each other. In 2008 I'll be able to vote for the first time in my life, so it's pretty big for me.

Not only does he appeal to everyone, he's hysterical. He's good friends with David Letterman and whenever he's on the show, he's really funny. Finally, will we have a personable president who nobody hates?

[splitsecond]

Yeah, he's an admirable guy. A war vetern, and he seems like he cares about the right thing than some political angle in most situations. He's not afraid to go against his own party and speak up about it if he doesn't think its the correct thing to be doing. He'll probably have my vote unless the Democratic nominee really catches my eye.

The chances of that are slim to none. The DNC is completely fucked up right now, and I have no idea where they will get a SOLID candidate from who can unite the party.

[lesto17]

John McCain is my ideal candidate.

[Justin_stacy]

The Giuliani/McCain ticket is almost a given now. Personally I'm not much of a McCain fan, he leans to the left (like bush) a little to often for me to truly like him and his “friendship” with, the despicable, Ted Kennedy really makes me question what his real beliefs are. But that said the DNC will undoubtedly nominee Clinton with a far left VP to gain the support of their base (money). And the fear alone of what they'd do to this nation socially scares me enough to vote for anyone who can keep them out of office. And Giuliani/McCain can win.

[Broken Parachute]

One topic really sets Conservatives in a frenzy when it comes to Giuliani..abortion. He believes in abortion and stem cell research which alot of Conservatives are upset about. This is probably going to lead to McCain being the favorite.

[A picasso blue]

le'ts say..if he won I wouldnt mind

[cal1082]

One topic really sets Conservatives in a frenzy when it comes to Giuliani..abortion. He believes in abortion and stem cell research which alot of Conservatives are upset about. This is probably going to lead to McCain being the favorite.

I'm not 100% sure but I'm pretty sure Mccain holds a fairly conservative view towards abortion.

[Justin_stacy]

One topic really sets Conservatives in a frenzy .

the thought of Hilary becoming president.

Your right Giuliani, for the most part, is not a social conservative.........but what point does that matter? Bush is a fiscal liberal and hardly a social conservative and he still won the nomination......Nominations are about picking someone who can win. And Giuliani can win (as can McCain.).

Abortion and Redefining marriage are hot button issues, i agree, but they do not define most voters. Most voters are willing to comprimise to get something rather then nothing (which is exactly how Bush won).



Its odd isn't it that the two front runners for the Republican party are two moderates with broad appeal politically, while the front runner for the Democrats is a far left social liberal with very little apeal outside her own party who has more enemies then fans. What does that say about the parties and the current positions?

[fedhed7]

Giuliani and McCain would be the best combination to enter the whitehouse in a few decades.

[splitsecond]

Giuliana and McCain will not go together. Period. McCain will be paired with a more conservative VP to appeal to the religious right and more extreme conservatives. I wouldnt mind McCain/Santorum, but most likely it will be someone from the south.

[Justin_stacy]

Giuliani and McCain would be the best combination to enter the whitehouse in a few decades.

i agree......

[Broken Parachute]

Giuliana and McCain will not go together. Period. McCain will be paired with a more conservative VP to appeal to the religious right and more extreme conservatives. I wouldnt mind McCain/Santorum, but most likely it will be someone from the south.

It's not like being sort of enemies with your politics and being President and Vice President has never happened. Didn't JFK and LBJ actually hate each other, spurring the belief that LBJ assasinated JFK?

[Justin_stacy]

Giuliana and McCain will not go together. Period. McCain will be paired with a more conservative VP to appeal to the religious right and more extreme conservatives. I wouldnt mind McCain/Santorum, but most likely it will be someone from the south.

That would turn off more voters then it would welcome. That is why Giuliani/McCain is so great. It will carry almost all the moderates and fair number of liberals......plus most conservatives. The extreme right/religious right are not a power house compared to winning the moderate vote.

[fromoc2dc]

I don't think McCain is going to be a front-runner for very long. He is just too liberal for the Republican base. During his 2000 run, he alienated the base way too much. He may be trying to suck up to them now, but they aren't going to forget how he attacked one too many of the pillars of the Republican party. I'm a McCain fan, and I think he has the best chance of winning in the general election. But a primary system just isn't meant for a moderate. Possible independent, possible VP, but unfortunately it's not looking good for a McCain presidency.

Giuliani is trying, but the more people get to know him, the more they will dislike him. Hilary may win the Democratic primary because the democratic party may be stupid enough to vote for her in the primaries, but she will lose to almost any Republican candidate. She may energize the base, but she'll probably just scare off the swing voters.

I'd say that Virginian Senator George Allen has the best shot at the Republican nomination. He was a popular governor, which gives him a big leg up. I'd like to see the Democrats go with... can't think of anyone yet. Maybe Edwards? Too early for Obama. I sure hope that I'm wrong and we see McCain in the oval. Can't imagine too many Republicans that I'd vote for, but he's definitely got my vote.

[Rebs]

Giuliani and McCain are my dream candidates, but I also like George Allen.

[splitsecond]

That would turn off more voters then it would welcome. That is why Giuliani/McCain is so great. It will carry almost all the moderates and fair number of liberals......plus most conservatives. The extreme right/religious right are not a power house compared to winning the moderate vote.

Well I realize Santorum isnt the best choice, but I disagree with you. I would love to see Giuliana run with McCain, BUT, it wont happen. The religious right and the conservative vote in the south means too much to the Republican party.

And besides, the Dems will put up a terrible candidate and pretty much anyone will be able to win. Hillary? I dont think the Dems realize just how many people in this country hate that woman.

I predict about as close of a landside as possible in these days in favor of the Republican candidate.

[Rebs]

Well I realize Santorum isnt the best choice, but I disagree with you. I would love to see Giuliana run with McCain, BUT, it wont happen. The religious right and the conservative vote in the south means too much to the Republican party.

I agree. I don't think the Republicans will let that happen. I see McCain and possibly Allen running together. Allen is fairly conservative, but not over-zealous about religion and conservatism, but he can keep the southern vote.

The Democrats can't get their act together right now. There isn't really a good choice to me right now.

[fedhed7]

Honestly, the difference between Democrat and Republican means little to me. I know about McCains's views and the way he carries himself, and that's the type of man that should lead America.

[I am all talk]

Unless I am mistaken, McCain has already said that he would not be a vice president no matter what the circumstances.

[x togepi x]

am I the only person who thinks McCain is too conservative?

The man is in the process of cozying up to the religious right as we speak. I mean, a few years ago he was calling a Falwell a bigot, and how he's speaking at his university. His voting record is pretty much in line with Bush's, and he pretty much back's all of Bush's policies. While I'm sure that some of his stances have to be pure politics (since the RNC likes keeping its people in line, which isn't a bad strategy), with McCain, I have no idea what he stands for. The media paints him as this great guy, and as a man, i'm sure he's awesome being a decorated war hero and all, but that doesn't mean that his policies will be any better than Bush's.

I just don't like how people say "oh yeah, Bush is a horrible president. McCain will be great.", when McCain basically backs all of Bush's policies. He even backed down on his own Anti-Torture amendment, when Bush put one of his BS signing statements on it and McCain didn't make any waves.

Just watch, in '08 McCain/whomever will win hands down. The media will use kid gloves on him and bash the hell out of whatever Democratic candidate that tries to stand in his way (not that the democrat will be at all strong on his/her own.)

[Justin_stacy]

Well I realize Santorum isnt the best choice, but I disagree with you. I would love to see Giuliana run with McCain, BUT, it wont happen. The religious right and the conservative vote in the south means too much to the Republican party. .

You act as though they are going somewhere. Do you really think the Conservative south is suddenly going to go and vote Democrat at the very time the DNC is moving further and further to the left? Or stand by and watch, the hated, Hilary Clinton become president? When votes are a lock the focus needs to shift. Republicans needs to pick up the moderate vote and those dishearten by the DNC’s further shift to the left. Picking Santorum (who won’t win senate reelection) or some other unheard of conservative polotician won’t pick up new voters.

McCain is conservative enough to cover most bases, so his partner needs to be a clear moderate, not another by-the-books conservative.

And besides, the Dems will put up a terrible candidate and pretty much anyone will be able to win. Hillary? I dont think the Dems realize just how many people in this country hate that woman.
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Kerry was about as bad a candidate as one could pick and he almost won….locking up the undecided is the most important part of selecting a nominee.

[Justin_stacy]

Just watch, in '08 McCain/whomever will win hands down. The media will use kid gloves on him and bash the hell out of whatever Democratic candidate that tries to stand in his way (not that the democrat will be at all strong on his/her own.)

Ya their going to bash one of their own? Any democrat no matter how bad he/she is will have the American media's backing. McCain is only the darling now because Bush is so hated. When Bush is gone they will move on to attacking who ever the next republican nominee is, McCain included.

[catscradle]

I don't think McCain is going to be a front-runner for very long. He is just too liberal for the Republican base. During his 2000 run, he alienated the base way too much. He may be trying to suck up to them now, but they aren't going to forget how he attacked one too many of the pillars of the Republican party. I'm a McCain fan, and I think he has the best chance of winning in the general election. But a primary system just isn't meant for a moderate. Possible independent, possible VP, but unfortunately it's not looking good for a McCain presidency.

Giuliani is trying, but the more people get to know him, the more they will dislike him. Hilary may win the Democratic primary because the democratic party may be stupid enough to vote for her in the primaries, but she will lose to almost any Republican candidate. She may energize the base, but she'll probably just scare off the swing voters.

I'd say that Virginian Senator George Allen has the best shot at the Republican nomination. He was a popular governor, which gives him a big leg up. I'd like to see the Democrats go with... can't think of anyone yet. Maybe Edwards? Too early for Obama. I sure hope that I'm wrong and we see McCain in the oval. Can't imagine too many Republicans that I'd vote for, but he's definitely got my vote.

You nailed McCain on the head. Couldn't have said it better myself. The GOP won't nominate hime due to his leanings to the liberal spectrum of things. He tries to appease to many people at once and seems to shoot himself in the foot everytime he does it and comes of as a hypocrite sometimes as well. For example, on multiple occasions he has openly criticized the Rev. Jerry Falwell in order to win some appeal from the left, but then goes and speaks at a university founded by Falwell, Liberty University i believe, in order to gain some more conservative appeal. He may get nominated by a third independent party, but not the GOP.

[catscradle]

am I the only person who thinks McCain is too conservative?

The man is in the process of cozying up to the religious right as we speak. I mean, a few years ago he was calling a Falwell a bigot, and how he's speaking at his university. His voting record is pretty much in line with Bush's, and he pretty much back's all of Bush's policies. While I'm sure that some of his stances have to be pure politics (since the RNC likes keeping its people in line, which isn't a bad strategy), with McCain, I have no idea what he stands for. The media paints him as this great guy, and as a man, i'm sure he's awesome being a decorated war hero and all, but that doesn't mean that his policies will be any better than Bush's.

I just don't like how people say "oh yeah, Bush is a horrible president. McCain will be great.", when McCain basically backs all of Bush's policies. He even backed down on his own Anti-Torture amendment, when Bush put one of his BS signing statements on it and McCain didn't make any waves.

Just watch, in '08 McCain/whomever will win hands down. The media will use kid gloves on him and bash the hell out of whatever Democratic candidate that tries to stand in his way (not that the democrat will be at all strong on his/her own.)
damn, you said it before me, should of read all the way through before i posted.

Kudos for saying it first.

[Trainsaw]

Giuliani and McCain are my dream candidates, but I also like George Allen.
My roommate was percieved to have threatened him once, yeah there were mad people all around him

[Trainsaw]

am I the only person who thinks McCain is too conservative?

The man is in the process of cozying up to the religious right as we speak. I mean, a few years ago he was calling a Falwell a bigot, and how he's speaking at his university. His voting record is pretty much in line with Bush's, and he pretty much back's all of Bush's policies. While I'm sure that some of his stances have to be pure politics (since the RNC likes keeping its people in line, which isn't a bad strategy), with McCain, I have no idea what he stands for. The media paints him as this great guy, and as a man, i'm sure he's awesome being a decorated war hero and all, but that doesn't mean that his policies will be any better than Bush's.

I just don't like how people say "oh yeah, Bush is a horrible president. McCain will be great.", when McCain basically backs all of Bush's policies. He even backed down on his own Anti-Torture amendment, when Bush put one of his BS signing statements on it and McCain didn't make any waves.

Just watch, in '08 McCain/whomever will win hands down. The media will use kid gloves on him and bash the hell out of whatever Democratic candidate that tries to stand in his way (not that the democrat will be at all strong on his/her own.)

Usually a party will vote the way their leader votes, esp if he's the president, its called reaching a common goal

[fromwithin]

watch out for Barack Obama, that guy is seriously scary. The first time I saw him he reminded me of the Antichrist haha. But I bet you any money in the world he's being groomed for 2012 if not 2008.

[Trainsaw]

watch out for Barack Obama, that guy is seriously scary. The first time I saw him he reminded me of the Antichrist haha. But I bet you any money in the world he's being groomed for 2012 if not 2008.
He's a fan favorite, he'll be running in 2012 i bet. I like him

[I am all talk]

He's a fan favorite, he'll be running in 2012 i bet. I like him
ya, he has said many times that he has no intentions of running in 08

[aminorthreat55]

One of the few republicans I'd vote for.

[x togepi x]

Usually a party will vote the way their leader votes, esp if he's the president, its called reaching a common goal

You're right. that's why I said I don't really know what McCain believes in. I only have his voting record, which is why I say he's too conservative. I doubt that if he's liberal at all that he'd get the nomination, I mean, people in the party like waging the culture war. Hell, some conservatives were complaining that Roberts wasn't conservative enough to be a Justice on the court, do you think they're going to let McCain slip by without any criticism?

Politically, he'd be a sweet candidate. I think he could probably beat anyone (maybe not Obama if Obama was older). That's what I'd like to see McCain V. an older Obama. sadly, I still wouldn't vote for either.

[Alex Djaferis]

well im not american so i caznt vote. but i like mccain.

[fromoc2dc]

In 2012, I'd love to see an Obama/Edwards ticket. Just to hear Edwards talk about two Americas and then Obama talking about how there is only one america. Democratic stragests would have fun with that one.

[NameTaken69]

I consider myself a Democrat, but if John McCain runs for president in '08, I'm definately voting for him.
thats exactly how i feel

[WarpSpeedChewy]

McCain would be someone I would feel proud to vote for. He one of the few politicians I trust and like a great deal. I hope to god he runs because we need someone like him. He should have been the republican choice back in 2000. I think he could fix this country since Bush fucked it up so much.


Not to mention it'd be cool to have a president that hosted SNL.

[FreshyFresh23]

Just to toss in my two cents..

I live in Arizona, a very red state....and lets just say he is not very popular right now among moderate to extreme conservatives

However, i think hes not too bad (for a R) ;)

[FreshyFresh23]

PS...you shouldnt be voting unless you can spell "DEFINITELY" correctly :O

[enj0i29]

Finally, will we have a personable president who nobody hates?

Sadly, no. There's always someone who will hate the president, no matter what views they have.

[lightcollapse]

mccain is one of the few republicans i'd support.

[selftitled85]

even though mccain is not a big fan of bush and the war...mccain is a neo-con through and through. i dont think that is what the rep party...or the country wants.

[FreshyFresh23]

Plus if any of you have heard some of the latest speeches he has been giving lately in a vain attempt to gain his parties full support for 2008...you would feel differently if you consider yourself libeal.

He has been pandering HEAVILY to the ultra conservative crowd to try and be "welcomed back to the fold" so to speak.

Dont be so quick to jump on a band wagon

(im sure someone will take personal offense to this despite it not being targeted toward an individual)

[NameTaken69]

Giuliani and McCain would be the best combination to enter the whitehouse in a few decades.
i agree with that

[kidinthecorner]

I dunno, but at like 1am I was flipping through the channels and he was on CSPAN dressed as a priest or something weird. I was confused, and they never said what he was actually doing.

According to my last history professor, who knows everything there is to know about anything that's happened in the world since 1900, McCain is a Born-Again, and he invited Jon Stewart to that one giant church complex somewhere in the South East. I want to say one of the Carolina's, but I'm not sure. But in the Carter years, it was a big idea that during Armageddon, the Born-Agains would *poof* and disappear up to Heaven. So back to the story, when McCain asked Stewart to come, he said "Nooo, you just want me there to pick up the clothing!" and it was funny, but no one caught the reference.

This post really has no point.

[vandalroyale]

i would totally vote for him-- ive liked him forever

[MotionIsntMeaning]

Jeb in '08??




Seriously though, I hope they don't choose McCain as a candidate cause I think he would probably win. I like McCain as a person but I don't agree with a lot of his policies. As an outside observer I would like to see a democrat get elected, but it doesn't seem like they can come up with a viable candidate.

[LostSymphonies]

I would vote for McCain in a second, i like his views and that he isnt conservative but isnt liberal, he's got a good balance

[open mind]

mccain used to be my favorite politician because he seemed like he was honest and had a backbone, now i don't know......he seems to be following a script and playing to his base more then anything, which flys in the face of what i liked about him in first place...........i'd still take him over hilary though.

[Pezcore]

McCain has really fooled a lot of people.

He is not a moderate. He is a conservative. Let's make a list.

Issues McCain is conservative on:
Anti-Abortion 100%
Pro Iraq War 100%
Supports bankruptcy bill and class action bill
Supports School Prayer
"Ten Commandments would bring virtue to our schools"
Rated 83% by the Christian Coalition
Supports anti flag burning amendment
Supports social security privitization
Supports School Vouchers
Supports scrapping the estate tax
opposes gun control
supports war on drugs and mandatory minimum sentences

Now how is he a liberal?

He voted against a few tax cuts.
He believes in global warming.
He thinks drilling in ANWR is stupid.
He thinks we ought to treat illegal aliens like people.

Big whoop. Lincoln Chafee is a moderate Republican. John McCain is a phony. I can't believe he has tricked so many people into thinking otherwise.

[FreshyFresh23]

McCain has really fooled a lot of people.

He is not a moderate. He is a conservative. Let's make a list.

Issues McCain is conservative on:
Anti-Abortion 100%
Pro Iraq War 100%
Supports bankruptcy bill and class action bill
Supports School Prayer
"Ten Commandments would bring virtue to our schools"
Rated 83% by the Christian Coalition
Supports anti flag burning amendment
Supports social security privitization
Supports School Vouchers
Supports scrapping the estate tax
opposes gun control
supports war on drugs and mandatory minimum sentences

Now how is he a liberal?

He voted against a few tax cuts.
He believes in global warming.
He thinks drilling in ANWR is stupid.
He thinks we ought to treat illegal aliens like people.

Big whoop. Lincoln Chafee is a moderate Republican. John McCain is a phony. I can't believe he has tricked so many people into thinking otherwise.

You nailed it. I tried saying this earlier in the thread but McCain is trendy now

[x togepi x]

how is chafee moderate?

i know nothing of him other than he voted for cloture in the alito vote and that sierra club likes him.