The Sound Of Release Dates Being Pushed Back

[Rohan Kohli]

The Sound of Animals Fighting (http://www.thesoundofanimalsfighting.com)' s new album, Lover, The Lord Has Left Us..., has been pushed back to a May 30th (http://www.absolutepunk.net/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=497&day=2006-5-30) release date.

[Tony Pascarella]

They want it to suck less? What? :)

[Pass The Flask]

When was it initially supposed to come out? If i were them i'd be pushing it up due to the...you know.

[Save my day]

I wonder if this has anything to do with how the ignorant the fans are. Oh well. I hope they don't change it.

[Jason Tate]

Why would they push back a CD that's leaked? That's strange.

[.KillMoneen.]

amazing

[David Wooley]

so if we already preordered it does this change for that too?

[btbam > you]

ill still save my money.

[rainraindown]

i hope they take this time to re-record it and make it NOT suck

[alexwohl29_90]

Where's it leaked?

[lftcoastenvy05]

ive managed to get my hands on the leak, but i still preordered the album. im assuming im gonna hafta wait longer for it to come in the mail now?

[Drew Beringer]

Why would they push back a CD that's leaked? That's strange.

exactly my thinking.

[alexwohl29_90]

ive managed to get my hands on the leak, but i still preordered the album. im assuming im gonna hafta wait longer for it to come in the mail now?


What did you think

[golly_sandra]

Not ENTIRELY sure, but I think it has to do with the Skullflower/Neurosis thing. Total guess though.

[lovewithcaution]

Let's see it's April 27th.

1- Re-Recorded entire CD that doesn't suck.
2- Mix
3- MASTER
4- Duplicate
5- SHIP ON or before May 30th
How perfect!!!

[Save my day]

Not ENTIRELY sure, but I think it has to do with the Skullflower/Neurosis thing. Total guess though.


They already fixed that though.

[rewindthistime]

sort of weird. i wouldn't expect a release to be pushed back AFTER it's leaked & preorders have begun...

[Ambulance X]

They want it to suck less? What? :)

haha seriously, they have their work cut out for them. What a disappointment this cd is. I was so excited for it, anddddd yeah. It blows.

[asdfjkl]

that sucks.

[intoyourarms]

i absolutely hated this cd last week. now its starting to make a little more sense.

[hmmmmmm]

Does this CD really suck?
I don't feel like spending my hard earned cash on a CD I had so highly anticipated if it is going to suck.
How many Anthony Green tracks are there?

[Ambulance X]

Does this CD really suck?
I don't feel like spending my hard earned cash on a CD I had so highly anticipated if it is going to suck.
How many Anthony Green tracks are there?

Don't buy it. If you really really want to, listen to it first to make sure you like it, but I doubt you will.

[preppyak]

Why would they push back a CD that's leaked? That's strange.
well, the buzz around this CD hasn't been good...so there is no reason to move it up to lower sales.

Maybe taking the chance that it grows on people...or that people forget about it and a new wave finds it

[hmmmmmm]

Thefirefly15

Screen name

you know what to do.

[jon.fftl]

Don't act on first impressions on this CD. No matter how bad you think it is at first, it grows on you. It's really good.

[Take Heart]

Is there a single track on this worth listening to? I am having trouble gettin through the first few songs.

[adelphi_rocks]

there are a few songs on here that are amazing and make up for that girl's vocals, i'm definately buying it after hearing it.

[Take Heart]

Don't act on first impressions on this CD. No matter how bad you think it is at first, it grows on you. It's really good.

I simply don't see how horrible female tribal vocals are going to grow on me. Enlighten me please.

[lftcoastenvy05]

What did you think

well they usually start shipping preorders early anyway

[Ambulance X]

Is there a single track on this worth listening to? I am having trouble gettin through the first few songs.

The heretic, and that's about it

[anishkabob]

i like a lot of it, i just can't get throught the last track.

i think the girl adds a lot through the sound, and those that are stuck on how she's singing kind of miss the point. that being said, they really did a lot to alienate a bunch of people.

[Adam Pfleider]

wow, i can't believe people hate this cd, i think it's great, I also think it's great that the artist involved on this cd are stretching their musical abilities...and it sounds good, sure, it's not as rough and fast paced as Tiger and the Duke, but it's definately better...musically, and as an art form....

but i don't understand the whole Skullflower/Neurosis thing? anyone care to explain?

[Take Heart]

i like a lot of it, i just can't get throught the last track.

i think the girl adds a lot through the sound, and those that are stuck on how she's singing kind of miss the point. that being said, they really did a lot to alienate a bunch of people.

I think the issue people have with the girl's singing, is that her voice has the same effect as someone scraping their fingernails on a chalkboard, not "how she's singing"

[lftcoastenvy05]

Is there a single track on this worth listening to? I am having trouble gettin through the first few songs.

so far im enjoying:
skullflower
horses in the sky
this heat
st. broaderick is in antarctica


definitely an album ur either going to love or hate, not much of an in between
i love what i hear. its replayability is in question tho

[Cheek]

I feel like if the female vocals on skullflower were more in the background and not brought to the foreground they would have been far more digestable, although the more I listen to that song(the only one I have heard) the less I grind my teeth...However, I do appreciate and admire what it is they are doing!

It is really odd that they would push back the release date after preorders have started......is there any official reason??

Cheek

[rewindthistime]

i def agree with a few of the above posters. you need to give it a chance. this isn't a cd that you are going to love after one listen. it takes a few listens, and a little concentration.

[lazer85]

Does this CD really suck?
I don't feel like spending my hard earned cash on a CD I had so highly anticipated if it is going to suck.
How many Anthony Green tracks are there?

its very good, but not at all something kids from the "scene" will like at all. You like Sufjan Stevens, I wouldn't exactly call you stuck in the scene so give it a try

[irthesteve]

it's amazing how close-minded and retarted some people are, give the full thing a few listens before saying it sucks. and if you do think it sucks, at least back it up with reasons, because i know most of you don't have any solid reasons...

...the cd is pretty solid, the interlude songs are kinda blah, but overall there is some really good music on the album, unlike nothing you have ever heard. which sadly is why it's getting so much slack, because of the sole fact that it is too diffrent, damn kids...

[irthesteve]

but i don't understand the whole Skullflower/Neurosis thing? anyone care to explain?

yea, what the heck?

[lazer85]

i def agree with a few of the above posters. you need to give it a chance. this isn't a cd that you are going to love after one listen. it takes a few listens, and a little concentration.

concentration, yeah thats right. Alot of people are talking about how great this album is while on drugs. Maybe, but it doesn't take drugs to appreciate it once you pay attention to it, hear all the subtleties and let it move you

I have no problem with people not liking this album but I think it'd suck for that negative outlook to effect someone who would have liked it otherwise.

DO NOT THINK TIGER AND THE DUKE OR ANY OF THE MEMBERS OTHER BANDS. It will take a level of appreciation for progressive experimental or electronic music to enjoy this album. Or Hopefully it can open you up to these things.

[ambiotic]

Maybe they are going to try and make it an actual album? The first TSOAF was great this is just bland and a they try a little too much for my taste.... but then agian tool is my fav. band so take it with a grain of salt

[bitterhalo]

it's kinda sad how everyone keeps saying the vocals are tribal, they're indian. they even said while they were recording that they were looking for an indian girl to do vocals on the album. I think it's pretty awesome how they integrated so much diversity onto this record. It's about time people get exposed to music from around the world.

but even so, i was disappointed with this album as well. It's cool, i'll listen to it, but definitely not what i was expecting. oh well, there are enough amazing albums coming out in the next few months as it is.

[mogwaifearsatan]

it's amazing how close-minded and retarted some people are, give the full thing a few listens before saying it sucks. and if you do think it sucks, at least back it up with reasons, because i know most of you don't have any solid reasons...

...the cd is pretty solid, the interlude songs are kinda blah, but overall there is some really good music on the album, unlike nothing you have ever heard. which sadly is why it's getting so much slack, because of the sole fact that it is too diffrent, damn kids...
Duhh it sucks because there's not enough ANTHONY GREENNSSJFDJFKSD

Tools. This album is great.

[guirock]

such a disappointment

[Take Heart]

it's kinda sad how everyone keeps saying the vocals are tribal, they're indian. they even said while they were recording that they were looking for an indian girl to do vocals on the album. I think it's pretty awesome how they integrated so much diversity onto this record. It's about time people get exposed to music from around the world.

but even so, i was disappointed with this album as well. It's cool, i'll listen to it, but definitely not what i was expecting. oh well, there are enough amazing albums coming out in the next few months as it is.

Hmm.. Apache Indian.. TRIBE. Seminole Indian.. TRIBE.

Holy crap, Indians can be categorized by tribes? that would almost suggest you could call them tribal vocals.

[xburningcoffin]

who's on drugs?

[Cheek]

Hmm.. Apache Indian.. TRIBE. Seminole Indian.. TRIBE.

Holy crap, Indians can be categorized by tribes? that would almost suggest you could call them tribal vocals.

WOW.......someone please tell me that is a joke.....!

[Mixomatosys]

concentration, yeah thats right. Alot of people are talking about how great this album is while on drugs. Maybe, but it doesn't take drugs to appreciate it once you pay attention to it, hear all the subtleties and let it move you

I have no problem with people not liking this album but I think it'd suck for that negative outlook to effect someone who would have liked it otherwise.

DO NOT THINK TIGER AND THE DUKE OR ANY OF THE MEMBERS OTHER BANDS. It will take a level of appreciation for progressive experimental or electronic music to enjoy this album. Or Hopefully it can open you up to these things.
I don't usually post, but I felt compelled to. It seems as if people are saying these things just to be different and cool. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE progressive music, it makes up a good portion of my music collection. I love music that's different and pushes the boundaries.. but it comes to a point where it's like they're trying to be TOO different that it's not even music anymore. You don't understand how excited I was for this release, I absolutely loved the first EP and eagerly awaited more. So as soon as I saw it leaked, I got it as fast as I could. I gave the entire a listen and just sat back in awe at how terrible it was. A 10 minute song filled with sounds from a kitchen and a german opera singer? That's not progressive, that's just retarded. They completely scrapped everything that made them good. If you want some good progressive music, bust out some King Crimson, Yes, Mars Volta, Return To Forever, or hell.. even some Tool. But god, don't give me this shit and tell me I don't "appreciate it". There's nothing to appreciate, just random noises thrown together.

[bitterhalo]

Hmm.. Apache Indian.. TRIBE. Seminole Indian.. TRIBE.

Holy crap, Indians can be categorized by tribes? that would almost suggest you could call them tribal vocals.


This just goes to show you how ignorant peopel are.

Have you ever heard of a country named India? Oh and guess what, they also have music there. holy shit, no way!!! You just made a total ass out of yourself, congratulations.

[hollywoodending]

Hmm.. Apache Indian.. TRIBE. Seminole Indian.. TRIBE.

Holy crap, Indians can be categorized by tribes? that would almost suggest you could call them tribal vocals.


haha that kid is a total bastard.

and he's in my city. i swear there's intelligent people here, really.

[imaarondamnit]

I'd say its pretty decent, not as bad as most of you people make it seem

[mamaMIKEY]

yeah what was the original street date for this album to be out?

[mamaMIKEY]

yeah what was the original street date for this album to be out?

nm i found out may 16th

[theoceanthecity]

the heretic might be worth the cash alone. great song.

[unholy_amanda]

Day before my birthday. Nice.

[[Mike]]

Maybe they are editing all the CDs so you don't hear the last track.

[catscradle]

Hmm.. Apache Indian.. TRIBE. Seminole Indian.. TRIBE.

Holy crap, Indians can be categorized by tribes? that would almost suggest you could call them tribal vocals.
seriously shut the fuck up. You have no clue what you are talking about.

Go back to sleep and let the adults do all the conversing.

[ForeverInADay]

is this album on limewire? haha fuck im so latee

[DiMo]

well... i'm waiting for it. and it really sucks that this whole discussion has taken place before the album has even been released. a bunch of people who really enjoyed the crazy good parts of the first album just bash on this album because it is nothing they expected or wanted it to be. it really destroy's how much they sell. everyone should wait for a more professional review.
and didn't they warn us.....A LOT, about how it is going to be so different, and they wanted us going in with an open mind?
everyone needs a job. cd's aren't that much money. get rid of your sidekick, and stop text messaging so much.

[Pass The Flask]

I don't usually post, but I felt compelled to. It seems as if people are saying these things just to be different and cool. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE progressive music, it makes up a good portion of my music collection. I love music that's different and pushes the boundaries.. but it comes to a point where it's like they're trying to be TOO different that it's not even music anymore. You don't understand how excited I was for this release, I absolutely loved the first EP and eagerly awaited more. So as soon as I saw it leaked, I got it as fast as I could. I gave the entire a listen and just sat back in awe at how terrible it was. A 10 minute song filled with sounds from a kitchen and a german opera singer? That's not progressive, that's just retarded. They completely scrapped everything that made them good. If you want some good progressive music, bust out some King Crimson, Yes, Mars Volta, Return To Forever, or hell.. even some Tool. But god, don't give me this shit and tell me I don't "appreciate it". There's nothing to appreciate, just random noises thrown together.

i totally agree. thank you.

[Scott Weber]

word to the wise - this CD really, really, really sucks.

[RXBandit34]

i agree with that the cd is oretty lame. ya i can appreciate the progression, but its a lttile too progressive in my opinion. As artsy and experinmental that they are trying to be, the substance just isnt there. I need to listen to it more, but so far its a big disappointment. People need to get off this bands nuts just because it has members of other good bands. Not everything they put out is "sent from god himself". Yes even anthony green can make some so-so music cuz skullflower isnt even a song in my opinion.

[emerica171]

"Heretic" is the only song on the album that can be listened to without fast-fowarding.

[hollywoodending]

I just listened to it..

and all i can say is that I cant make it past skullflower because they totally stole the melody from the tutorial song that comes with the software Reason 3.0

was that what the whole debacle was about? I just lost all respect for them. at least rearrange the melody if your gonna rip something off.

[Erik Ball]

Personally I think that it took a lot of guts for them to do this. They had to know it would alienate a lot of previous listeners, but they released it because I guess they felt this was the artistic expression they wanted to portray. As far as saying the album sucks that is all really relative espicially if you don't have an argument for it because it could be interpreted a variety of ways if you have no critical system for judging it's value. I definetly think this album will target a very select audience. I applaud them though for putting out something that they had to know wouldn't be well recieved because ultimately this is their art that they are making for themselves. Its nice to see musicians not get so caught up in creating marketable music rather then creating it as a sort of personal outlet. Most of these guys have other successful bands and really that is all this probably is is just a personal outlet for them. I havent been able to listen too much of it to make my own personal judgement, but I will be interested in giving it a good listen through a few times before making my judgement and whatever that is I still will respect these guys for what they are doing.

[weworemasks]

Hmm.. Apache Indian.. TRIBE. Seminole Indian.. TRIBE.

Holy crap, Indians can be categorized by tribes? that would almost suggest you could call them tribal vocals.

are you a fucking idiot? INDIAN as in from india. she is singing in sanskrit. dont be a smartass when you are completely wrong. will make you look 15x stupider. dipshit.

word to the wise - this CD really, really, really sucks.

seriously, what happened to stating valid opinions? opinions like this are worthless. it's really kind of stupid when a staff member of a music website can't even voice an opinion correctly. a smart-ass comment starting with "word to the wise," doesn't really count for anything. im not jared's biggest fan, but he is probably the only member on staff who constantly voices his opinion with a legit form of backup.

[TheBaroness]

personally, i really enjoy the substantive part of this CD (reminds me a bit of bjork in some places), but the last track just completely RUINS it. i don't care if they're trying to be tounge-in-cheek or whatever, but it's fucking ridiculous. i couldn't even get through the whole thing without laughing - and not in a good "i'm having fun" kind of way. i pray to whatever god there is out there that this has been delayed so they can delete that track, even if they don't replace it with anything it's still better off gone.

[reav]

word to the wise - this CD really, really, really sucks.

oh come on.
there's some incredible things on this cd!

[gregplaysdrums]

I don't usually post, but I felt compelled to. It seems as if people are saying these things just to be different and cool. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE progressive music, it makes up a good portion of my music collection. I love music that's different and pushes the boundaries.. but it comes to a point where it's like they're trying to be TOO different that it's not even music anymore. You don't understand how excited I was for this release, I absolutely loved the first EP and eagerly awaited more. So as soon as I saw it leaked, I got it as fast as I could. I gave the entire a listen and just sat back in awe at how terrible it was. A 10 minute song filled with sounds from a kitchen and a german opera singer? That's not progressive, that's just retarded. They completely scrapped everything that made them good. If you want some good progressive music, bust out some King Crimson, Yes, Mars Volta, Return To Forever, or hell.. even some Tool. But god, don't give me this shit and tell me I don't "appreciate it". There's nothing to appreciate, just random noises thrown together.

Well said

[badstarsfall]

OH COME ON.

It's right around the corner, what could they possibly need another two weeks for?

[badstarsfall]

i hope they take this time to re-record it and make it NOT suck

Yes, an entire two weeks to completely re-record a full-length album. Your wit is surpassed only by your ignorance.

[asdfjkl]

seriously, what happened to stating valid opinions? opinions like this are worthless. it's really kind of stupid when a staff member of a music website can't even voice an opinion correctly. a smart-ass comment starting with "word to the wise," doesn't really count for anything.
i agree with every word of this.

[MrBaileySays]

May 30th is the day all good albums drop

i.e. The Junior Varsity, The Forecast

[tedE]

everyone needs a job. cd's aren't that much money. get rid of your sidekick, and stop text messaging so much.

Way to pretty much ruin your point. People actually buy CDs after downloading the leaks, yes its true. I've done it with Moneen, Circa Survive, Copeland, etc, etc . By your statement, are you expecting us to stop downloading and start buying CDs blindly only to find out they suck? Wow, sorry that your stuck in the early 90s, but I enjoy living in the 21st century where I can actually preview music before I buy a CD.

[lazer85]

I don't usually post, but I felt compelled to. It seems as if people are saying these things just to be different and cool. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE progressive music, it makes up a good portion of my music collection. I love music that's different and pushes the boundaries.. but it comes to a point where it's like they're trying to be TOO different that it's not even music anymore. You don't understand how excited I was for this release, I absolutely loved the first EP and eagerly awaited more. So as soon as I saw it leaked, I got it as fast as I could. I gave the entire a listen and just sat back in awe at how terrible it was. A 10 minute song filled with sounds from a kitchen and a german opera singer? That's not progressive, that's just retarded. They completely scrapped everything that made them good. If you want some good progressive music, bust out some King Crimson, Yes, Mars Volta, Return To Forever, or hell.. even some Tool. But god, don't give me this shit and tell me I don't "appreciate it". There's nothing to appreciate, just random noises thrown together.

If you want progressive music that isnt music, check out Robert Fripp of King Crimson live now. It's him sitting up there tapping a note every 20 minutes. I have no desire to sound cool on a website where half the people listen to pop punk. I just don't want people beleiving this album is shit without hearing it because I think alot of art and expression was put into this record and it's a lot better than everyone is making it out to be.

How can you tell me Frances the Mute isn't more random noises and much harder to listen to than this? I feel like The Mars Volta, even though they are a good band, is much more "Let's do this to be different" then Rich Balling was when he organized this album. The Kitchen noises sound pretty cool to me, organized very well. If you want kitchen noises that are hard to listen to, try Matmos (which is still decent despite it's being much more difficult to listen to). This is relatively easy listening.

This is not THAT out there unless everything you listen to has guitar solos. This is good pop-experimental music. Maybe the "hip" kids could appreciate this more than the "scene" kids, but then again they are just as bad, if not worse. It always has to fit a scene or be easily comparable, otherwise everyone bashes it.

and all your "progressive" music, good as it is, is the same kind of "progressive" music, it's starting to sound pretty standard.

Maybe this is only for fans of music - not genres.

Fans of Bjork, Mr. Bungle and Super Furry Animals should enjoy this, though it sounds like none of these.

[chicka boomboom]

May 30th is the day all good albums drop

i.e. The Junior Varsity, The Forecast

k.. i thought 'good' albums came from good bands?

[Robots]

this album will actually require you to "think". unlike so many artist out there

[Scott Weber]

seriously, what happened to stating valid opinions? opinions like this are worthless. it's really kind of stupid when a staff member of a music website can't even voice an opinion correctly. a smart-ass comment starting with "word to the wise," doesn't really count for anything. im not jared's biggest fan, but he is probably the only member on staff who constantly voices his opinion with a legit form of backup.
Hey asshole, this is a valid opinion. This album is a complete piece of shit. I've listened to this record several times and voiced my fucking opinion, with evidence, in about a thousand threads. I'm not going to do it every single time. You're kidding yourself if you think this is real music. You're kidding yourself if you think this is a real attempt at making something beautiful. Well, maybe it is an attempt, but it's a total and complete failure. Go listen to Kid A if you want to hear a band do weird shit correctly, not this jumble of noises and foreign language wailing. This album will make you think - I see what it's made you do is forget what's shit and what's not...and suckered you into believing that this is actual music. I like a shitload of prog-rock and weird shit, but I refuse to buy this bullshit they're selling me. Now that is a valid opinion. Everyone - think what you want. If you love it, good for you - but I certainly don't recommend it and I think you're fooling yourself if you love it. By the way, i gave their first album a 8.6.

[we are cured]

Hey asshole, this is a valid opinion. This album is a complete piece of shit. I've listened to this record several times and voiced my fucking opinion, with evidence, in about a thousand threads. I'm not going to do it every single time. You're kidding yourself if you think this is real music. You're kidding yourself if you think this is a real attempt at making something beautiful. Well, maybe it is an attempt, but it's a total and complete failure. Go listen to Kid A if you want to hear a band do weird shit correctly, not this jumble of noises and foreign language wailing. This album will make you think - I see what it's made you do is forget what's shit and what's not...and suckered you into believing that this is actual music. I like a shitload of prog-rock and weird shit, but I refuse to buy this bullshit they're selling me. Now that is a valid opinion. Everyone - think what you want. If you love it, good for you - but I certainly don't recommend it and I think you're fooling yourself if you love it. By the way, i gave their first album a 8.6.

Here's another valid opinion: I disagree. Who are you to say what 'real music' is? This isn't 'prog' music, it isn't even 'rock'. I will agree with a lot of the people on this board in the fact that I was surprised, shocked, and slightly disappointed when I heard the album; Tiger and the Duke was a rock album. Kid A is my favorite Radiohead album, but this is clearly not Radiohead- it's something that way fewer people will like. I understand that you think some people are trying to be different and above the scene by liking this, because it sounds so out there. However, I have no attachments, figuratively or literally, to this bullshit scene and I could care less if you think that I am 'fooling' myself for enjoying most of the album. I'm not.

[Adeniz19]

i dont think they intended to make "real music". their whole thing is to push the boundries and make people think outside the box about what music is. i'm pretty sure they don't care if people will like this or not, they are just experimenting with sound and decided to release it as a cd

[www.omfg.edu]

lots of shit talk i see, but definetly for people who haven't hear it yet give it a try before listening to everyone else. ive heard the leaked version quite a few times, and theres songs i just skip or fast forward because i dont really enjoy it. there are a few awesome songs in it. ie. skullflower, stockhausen.., the heretic, horses in the sky (my favorite), and there are like 2 craig owen acapella songs that are pretty cool. its almost like the first cd that had 4 actual songs even though this one has 14 tracks. some are just weird shit and then theres songs that id rather not listen to (prayers on fire). IN MY OPINION, they should of dropped the foreign languages for vocals in some songs. i feel like it ruins the songs. but THATS JUST ME remember. so the moral of the story is, give it a listen then say what you really feel about the album.

[mogwaifearsatan]

Hey asshole, this is a valid opinion. This album is a complete piece of shit. I've listened to this record several times and voiced my fucking opinion, with evidence, in about a thousand threads. I'm not going to do it every single time. You're kidding yourself if you think this is real music. You're kidding yourself if you think this is a real attempt at making something beautiful. Well, maybe it is an attempt, but it's a total and complete failure. Go listen to Kid A if you want to hear a band do weird shit correctly, not this jumble of noises and foreign language wailing. This album will make you think - I see what it's made you do is forget what's shit and what's not...and suckered you into believing that this is actual music. I like a shitload of prog-rock and weird shit, but I refuse to buy this bullshit they're selling me. Now that is a valid opinion. Everyone - think what you want. If you love it, good for you - but I certainly don't recommend it and I think you're fooling yourself if you love it. By the way, i gave their first album a 8.6.

There, at least you give legitimate reasons for not liking it, although the last part about 'fooling ourselves' is a little harsh. I don't agree with you, but I understand where you are coming from and I accept it. It just makes me mad when people immediately denounce it because it's not post hardcore enough for them. If you made the attempt to appreciate it and still didn't like it, that's fine, more power to you. But to people who just denounced it because Anthony and Craig didn't have a dual scream post hardcore part, you are what is wrong with the 'scene' that TSOAF have obviously succesfully distanced themselves from.

[AreTwoKay]

Hopefully theyre taking off the Indian vocals

[yanks2np]

I've always applauded when bands and musicians in the scene do weird things and try to be creatively different by putting in weird vocals and maybe even different languages (Ex. Salamir on the new Underoath). But after listening to TSOAF's new album, I've come to the conclusion that they tried way to hard too be weird. This album isn't really music to me, it's just a CD of sounds that were merged together in a freak meth lab accident.

[Scott Weber]

There, at least you give legitimate reasons for not liking it, although the last part about 'fooling ourselves' is a little harsh. I don't agree with you, but I understand where you are coming from and I accept it. It just makes me mad when people immediately denounce it because it's not post hardcore enough for them. If you made the attempt to appreciate it and still didn't like it, that's fine, more power to you. But to people who just denounced it because Anthony and Craig didn't have a dual scream post hardcore part, you are what is wrong with the 'scene' that TSOAF have obviously succesfully distanced themselves from.
Like I said, I've debated and hashed out this CD in a thousand other threads, and I don't have time to do it all again. You can use the search function if you like. I basically agree with the post above me.

[yanks2np]

Like I said, I've debated and hashed out this CD in a thousand other threads, and I don't have time to do it all again. You can use the search function if you like. I basically agree with the post above me.


Thanks for agreeing!

[deekismusic]

Hey asshole, this is a valid opinion. This album is a complete piece of shit. I've listened to this record several times and voiced my fucking opinion, with evidence, in about a thousand threads. I'm not going to do it every single time. You're kidding yourself if you think this is real music. You're kidding yourself if you think this is a real attempt at making something beautiful. Well, maybe it is an attempt, but it's a total and complete failure. Go listen to Kid A if you want to hear a band do weird shit correctly, not this jumble of noises and foreign language wailing. This album will make you think - I see what it's made you do is forget what's shit and what's not...and suckered you into believing that this is actual music. I like a shitload of prog-rock and weird shit, but I refuse to buy this bullshit they're selling me. Now that is a valid opinion. Everyone - think what you want. If you love it, good for you - but I certainly don't recommend it and I think you're fooling yourself if you love it. By the way, i gave their first album a 8.6.

Whoa, am I missing something? I don't have time to search through the forums right now, but in this thread you haven't stated one musical element from the album that you would call a "failure." This vulgar ramble, to me, is such a failure of any thoughtful musical opinion =( . Music is art is therefore subjective. This album could obviously be interpreted differently (such as from yourself, a pop-punk/semi-indie fan, and somebody that might listen to a lot of more obscure electronic stuff with sampling and common simularities.) Citing Radiohead is so 5 years ago. They are good, however, hugely overrated. Describing them as a band that "does weird shit correctly" just sounds a little ignorant.

Taking Lover, The Lord Has Left Us in a more broad sense, this album isn't that bad. I probably won't buy it, and I wish the band/project name was different this time around, but the fact is that actual musicians got together, put together another full album, and incorporated traits you wouldn't normally find among the strict scene. Anthony already said he knew the project would get negative attention like this, being so "out there." I doubt this band would waste time and energy, however, on something they didn't feel somewhat passionate about! And at the same time, this band doesn't portray themselves as something groundbreaking, even the members are not mentioned by name. We should respect SOAF for this, not necessarily like the music. Your review for the last album called it "innovative." ? How is this LESS innovative? It's not spectacular, but I think your ears just don't like it, that's all.

You won't hear structure if you don't want to hear structure.

If you wanna hear an album that is a complete waste of your time, try the new FFTL, or A&A for that matter. BTW, anyone notice Anthony's vocal style sounding more like Bjork? Haha, not a bad thing, but just listen to "Stockhausen." I thought it might have just been a coincidence until I heard him covering one of her songs. Icelandic music is lovely, no?

[hollywoodending]

if this band didn't have any big names in it, it would never sell.

[dubey]

if this band didn't have any big names in it, it would never sell.
I think the only people that will be buying this are the ones who preordered it for the free tshirt haha.

If they redo this album, maybe it will show leaks aren't always necessarily a bad thing.

[weworemasks]

Hey asshole, this is a valid opinion. This album is a complete piece of shit. I've listened to this record several times and voiced my fucking opinion, with evidence, in about a thousand threads. I'm not going to do it every single time. You're kidding yourself if you think this is real music. You're kidding yourself if you think this is a real attempt at making something beautiful. Well, maybe it is an attempt, but it's a total and complete failure. Go listen to Kid A if you want to hear a band do weird shit correctly, not this jumble of noises and foreign language wailing. This album will make you think - I see what it's made you do is forget what's shit and what's not...and suckered you into believing that this is actual music. I like a shitload of prog-rock and weird shit, but I refuse to buy this bullshit they're selling me. Now that is a valid opinion. Everyone - think what you want. If you love it, good for you - but I certainly don't recommend it and I think you're fooling yourself if you love it. By the way, i gave their first album a 8.6.

for being a valid "opinion," letting others not have an opinion as a staff member of a music website is pure fucking stupidity. your opinions are primarily backed up by belittling and name calling.

65% of your post claims that we, as fans of this record are fooling ourselves into thinking this record is good. you talk too much.

and so, a list.

1. you can think this record is a piece of shit, other people will still buy it.
2. i am not fooled into liking bands.
3. i think this is real music.
4. i like this cd, and was not fooled by anyone, or any member of the band personally, or anyone who works for equal vision or this site.
5. there are some songs that i think arent that good on here, but i enjoy the majority of it.
6. how obscure and credible of you to namedrop kid a like every other fucking scenester on the planet, show me some variety.
7. i think haste the day is complete shit, but i don't call you an asshole and say you were fooled into listening to it because you fucking work at tooth and nail
8. as someone in your position, the fact that you talk shit to people who like bands that you dont, instead of being constructive and writing a review is childish. arent you 22 or 23, and about to graduate college?
9. i don't want a threatening AIM message saying I COULD BE BANNED, like the last time i disagreed about a comment you made about the deftones. if you can get on your soapbox, i can too. YOU ARE NOT THE WEBMASTER.


dont even bother trying to reply, i don't want to hear a word you say.

[last light]

this album is awful. plain and simple.

[btbam > you]

this band is god damn horrible

[Manbotisdead]

wow, i can't believe people hate this cd, i think it's great, I also think it's great that the artist involved on this cd are stretching their musical abilities...and it sounds good, sure, it's not as rough and fast paced as Tiger and the Duke, but it's definately better...musically, and as an art form....

but i don't understand the whole Skullflower/Neurosis thing? anyone care to explain?


just because you experiment with kitchen sounds doesn't make it deep. Too me it sounds like this album is gonna be an indulgent piece of nonsense.

I'll still give it a spin though.

[Scott Weber]

for being a valid "opinion," letting others not have an opinion as a staff member of a music website is pure fucking stupidity. your opinions are primarily backed up by belittling and name calling.

65% of your post claims that we, as fans of this record are fooling ourselves into thinking this record is good. you talk too much.

and so, a list.

1. you can think this record is a piece of shit, other people will still buy it.
2. i am not fooled into liking bands.
3. i think this is real music.
4. i like this cd, and was not fooled by anyone, or any member of the band personally, or anyone who works for equal vision or this site.
5. there are some songs that i think arent that good on here, but i enjoy the majority of it.
6. how obscure and credible of you to namedrop kid a like every other fucking scenester on the planet, show me some variety.
7. i think haste the day is complete shit, but i don't call you an asshole and say you were fooled into listening to it because you fucking work at tooth and nail
8. as someone in your position, the fact that you talk shit to people who like bands that you dont, instead of being constructive and writing a review is childish. arent you 22 or 23, and about to graduate college?
9. i don't want a threatening AIM message saying I COULD BE BANNED, like the last time i disagreed about a comment you made about the deftones. if you can get on your soapbox, i can too. YOU ARE NOT THE WEBMASTER.


dont even bother trying to reply, i don't want to hear a word you say.
What the fuck? Where did this come from? This is easily the most a) uncalled for and b) incorrect post on AP I've seen in a very long time. And so I begin.

1. I voiced my opinion, and you yours. I told people in my post that they can think what they want, and if you like it, great. I'm sorry you can't handle a harsh opinion but I clearly made it that and nothing else.
2. Good for you.
3. See above statements and read my disclaimer at the end again.
4. Didn't you just restate #2?
5. Yeah - I think so too, except I think there's a few good songs and a lot of shitty ones.
6. Kid A is one of my favorite albums of all time - it's in my profile, it's been one for 3+ years - and I have those "fucking scenesters" to thank for introducing me to an incredible album. See how opinions work? I have variety - I like Neil Diamond and Cake for God's sake.
7. I don't work at Tooth & Nail, I interned there for like 5 months, and I haven't even been into, or affiliated with Tooth & Nail for 8 months. Way to keep up. I launched my own record label, dipshit. And who the hell cares about Haste the Day? You attacked me in your post LIKE an asshole when all I did was say that I thought the album sucked.
8. Drew and I are discussing who will review the album - unfortunately for you, I've got my hands full digesting the new Forgive Durden so I can review it before it leaks. I'm 22, and I already talked about everything I hate about this album in various TSOAF threads in the general and staff forums and like I said, I didn't feel like rehashing it in a day-old thread...and I stated that in my original post you flipped out at me for.
9. You're in no danger of being banned - I can only imagine the only time you were warned was when you a)personally attacked a staff member for something incredibly out of line (it must have been this and not just a "disagreement" as you remember) I never ban ANYBODY, I let everyone voice their opinions because I voice my own so harshly.


I guess you missed this part in my post.
Everyone - think what you want. If you love it, good for you

You are completely ridiculous.

[lazer85]

i don't hear bjork in the vocals at all haha, I can't even imagine a dude trying to sound like Bjork. I hope Skullflower isn't changed to the "new version", I like the older one better.

I for one, like this album a lot more than The Tiger and the Duke. I think the foreign vocals are GREAT except in skullflower.

So people who like the album, what's your favorite moment?

I will say it again and again, The first 30 seconds of "This Heat" could have been extended into 2-4 minutes of a song. Also I love the begining of "My horse must lose" and wish that part (with the foreign vocals and beat) were longer.

Does anyone else feel like this is comparable to Blur's album 13? The way the songs sound so different from each other and alot of the vocals and the whole mood of the album.

[weworemasks]

What the fuck? Where did this come from? This is easily the most a) uncalled for and b) incorrect post on AP I've seen in a very long time. And so I begin.

1. I voiced my opinion, and you yours. I told people in my post that they can think what they want, and if you like it, great. I'm sorry you can't handle a harsh opinion but I clearly made it that and nothing else.
2. Good for you.
3. See above statements and read my disclaimer at the end again.
4. Didn't you just restate #2?
5. Yeah - I think so too, except I think there's a few good songs and a lot of shitty ones.
6. Kid A is one of my favorite albums of all time - it's in my profile, it's been one for 3+ years - and I have those "fucking scenesters" to thank for introducing me to an incredible album. See how opinions work? I have variety - I like Neil Diamond and Cake for God's sake.
7. I don't work at Tooth & Nail, I interned there for like 5 months, and I haven't even been into, or affiliated with Tooth & Nail for 8 months. Way to keep up. I launched my own record label, dipshit. And who the hell cares about Haste the Day? You attacked me in your post LIKE an asshole when all I did was say that I thought the album sucked.
8. Drew and I are discussing who will review the album - unfortunately for you, I've got my hands full digesting the new Forgive Durden so I can review it before it leaks. I'm 22, and I already talked about everything I hate about this album in various TSOAF threads in the general and staff forums and like I said, I didn't feel like rehashing it in a day-old thread...and I stated that in my original post you flipped out at me for.
9. You're in no danger of being banned - I can only imagine the only time you were warned was when you a)personally attacked a staff member for something incredibly out of line (it must have been this and not just a "disagreement" as you remember) I never ban ANYBODY, I let everyone voice their opinions because I voice my own so harshly.


I guess you missed this part in my post.


You are completely ridiculous.

the one line in your post that was worthwhile was your "if you like it, blablabla" but the rest of it was mindless shit about me being fooled into liking this cd.
if you cant handle being ripped up on your own site, thats fine. thats why i knew you would reply when i asked you not to. my comment WAS an asshole comment, and for good reasons. im out. later.

p.s. congrats on your label, thats dope. seriously.

[Scott Weber]

the one line in your post that was worthwhile was your "if you like it, blablabla" but the rest of it was mindless shit about me being fooled into liking this cd.
if you cant handle being ripped up on your own site, thats fine. thats why i knew you would reply when i asked you not to. my comment WAS an asshole comment, and for good reasons. im out. later.

p.s. congrats on your label, thats dope. seriously.
Hahahahaha, nice response. You coward. It's not my site - I'm just a guy like you with opinions. If you can't handle a debate, then you shouldn't be posting anyways.

[deekismusic]

I think we can all agree on the simple fact that... this is a messy album.

[helikopter]

messy indeed. this album has no focus... there are numerous out-there, almost nonsensically abstract tracks, and then normal and semi-normal tracks songs (the heretic, horses in the sky). the entire album fails to exude a clear mood or tone, as it constantly darts between the experimental, the foreign, and the normal. someone said earlier it was something along the lines of "them experimenting, they decided to release it on a cd." this seems a little ridiculous, if the point of the record was not to produce a record but simply to expose people to other forms of music, why make us spend 12 dollars on it? and why not spend the time to mold it into a cohesive, listenable album? something is clearly wrong with a cd when there are 2-3 tracks that most listeners can go WITHOUT fast-forwarding.

regardless, no matter how good the rest of the cd may be (for the most part, it isn't, however), the final track is so unbearably poor that it negates any redeeming qualities the cd originally had. i have tried listening to this multiple times. the indian vocals might have been a good touch, but are excessive in length and presence in the mix.

believe me, though i'm new (this massive argument coaxed me into registering), i assure you i'm no close-minded band-hating fool, i listen to much more experimental music than this.

i grew tired of the cd's supporters claiming those who criticized it had "no point and no reasons," yet every supporting example and reason has been much thinner than anything some of the critics have pointed out.

[lazer85]

Honestly Helikopter, you're one of the only people to give any decent argument against this album.

I agree about the last track, it's aweful. And the album is a bit unfocused. I probably wouldn't be defending it so heavily if there weren't so many people saying "it's shit" and "it's not music" because it clearly is music. More than loving this album, I am really offended that people would label this album as "not music", it totally promotes such negativity towards artists and fans that's just uneccisary, regardless of different opinions. I do really like about 3/4 of the album though, and I think it deserves a B.

I really respect Rich Balling and the other members because I know whatever they do is real. Think of who this was marketed to (or not marketed to). The indie scene (one of the few music communities that would accept an album like this) will most likely not hear this album, they don't give a fuck about chiodos or RX Bandits and so the band has no status outside of "the scene" (that is punk/emo/ska/hardcore scene). Obviously radio doesn't care about an experimental album released on equal vision. This album was clearly made as an artistic expression (be it poor or terrific) and for that reason, as a sincere fan of real artistic expression, I am infuriated that people will call it "not music". And that is why I've posted so much about it.

Glad to hear an intelligent opinion even if it's different than mine.

Now if only some people would want to talk about the album and stop fighting about whether or not it sucks.

[lazer85]

Sorry what I meant to say:

Honestly Helikopter, you're one of the only people to give any decent argument against this album.

I agree about the last track, it's aweful. And the album is a bit unfocused. I probably wouldn't be defending it so heavily if there weren't so many people saying "it's shit" and "it's not music" because it clearly is music. More than loving this album, I am really offended that people would label this album in such a way, it totally promotes such negativity towards artists and fans that's just unessicary and creates an air of closemindedness.

I really respect Rich Balling and the other members because I know whatever they do is real. Think of who this was marketed to (or not marketed to). The indie scene (one of the few music communities that would accept an album like this) will most likely not hear this album, they don't give a fuck about chiodos or RX Bandits and so the band has no status outside of "the scene" (that is punk/emo/ska/hardcore scene). Obviously radio doesn't care about an experimental album released on equal vision. This album was clearly made as an artistic expression (be it poor or terrific) and for that reason, as a sincere fan of real artistic expression, I am infuriated that people will call it "not music".

You don't have to like it
You don't have to buy it
You can talk about not liking it
But calling it noise is uninformed, there is music out there that IS noise
And saying it's not music is just plain wrong.

And that is why I've argued so much about this album.

Glad to hear an intelligent opinion even if it's different than mine.

Now if only some people would want to talk about the album and stop fighting about whether or not it sucks.

[tedE]

Given the leak, I wonder if all the rumors about Anthony Green not liking the new album are true? I mean, he was only with them for a day or two. He could have just laid down the vocal tracks without hearing any instrumentals, any of the other songs, etc.

Now don't jump on me like "OMG Anthony Green ball rider." I'm just mentioning it for the sake of discussion.

[weworemasks]

Hahahahaha, nice response. You coward. It's not my site - I'm just a guy like you with opinions. If you can't handle a debate, then you shouldn't be posting anyways.

how the hell does that make me a coward? i know its not YOUR site, but you work for it, it's all relative. stop having a stick up your ass for technicalities, and stop talking shit over a message board, calling me a coward doesn't necessarily help your case of "being able to debate." chill the fuck out.

[Scott Weber]

how the hell does that make me a coward? i know its not YOUR site, but you work for it, it's all relative. stop having a stick up your ass for technicalities, and stop talking shit over a message board, calling me a coward doesn't necessarily help your case of "being able to debate." chill the fuck out.
You're the one who needs to chill the fuck out - you started throwing Haste the Day and T&N stuff at me out of NOWHERE. I work here but I comment on this kind of stuff like any other user...if you choose to put me up on some sort of different level, that's your problem - that's certainly not how I view it. My response wouldn't have come at all if you hadn't of called me out in such a asshole fashion for me just saying I thought an album sucked. Your whole "scene kid" bullshit with Kid A really pissed me off, and it was a dick remark out of nowhere - you're the one who continued to make insults and comments out of absolutely nowhere because you like this album.

Listen to this (http://students.washington.edu/sweber2/neilcoolout.wav)... then do it.

[screamoutmyname]

Why would they push back a CD that's leaked? That's strange.

True dat.

[sharpenup]

I really like this cd and I dont really think its fair to say it isnt music. Im not sure what constitutes music but in my mind I see this as being music.
I also dont really see it as being as abstract as people are saying... It really isnt that weird/different. I have no clue what you people listen to... but seriously, I dont listen to any crazy/abstract/experiemental/progressive music and I dont find this weird.

I dont mind the Indian vocals. I actually kinda like them. When I first heard Skullflower I didnt but the more I listen to them the less I hate them and the more I begin to like them. I also like the opera singer. It adds more to it and keeps it interesting.

Its fine that other people dont like it... I dont like some things other people like and people need to stop arguing about opinions. It doesnt acomplish anything. State your opinion-- no need to get all mad.

[weworemasks]

You're the one who needs to chill the fuck out - you started throwing Haste the Day and T&N stuff at me out of NOWHERE. I work here but I comment on this kind of stuff like any other user...if you choose to put me up on some sort of different level, that's your problem - that's certainly not how I view it. My response wouldn't have come at all if you hadn't of called me out in such a asshole fashion for me just saying I thought an album sucked. Your whole "scene kid" bullshit with Kid A really pissed me off, and it was a dick remark out of nowhere - you're the one who continued to make insults and comments out of absolutely nowhere because you like this album.

Listen to this (http://students.washington.edu/sweber2/neilcoolout.wav)... then do it.

the whole "argument" started because of the way you expressed your opinion, not because you feel the cd is shitty. why did i pick YOUR comment out of 45 other hate comments about the record? think about it. i dont "put you up on that level," because you should assume that position as a staff member of this site. and for the record, i have nothing against kid a, or radiohead, i love alot of their records, but i was just stating the stupidity (in my opinion) of when ANYONE throws a radiohead record around in an argument. i could care less what you like, and vice versa. so leave it at that. peace.

[ishotthepilot]

so much hate for this album, geez.

I really like this cd and I dont really think its fair to say it isnt music. Im not sure what constitutes music but in my mind I see this as being music.
I also dont really see it as being as abstract as people are saying... It really isnt that weird/different. I have no clue what you people listen to... but seriously, I dont listen to any crazy/abstract/experiemental/progressive music and I dont find this weird.


seriously though.


i have a stick up my ass.

you should probably get that out. all he said was "this cd is shitty."

[weworemasks]

you should probably get that out. all he said was "this cd is shitty."
yes, and it was a stupid way of claiming so, and nothings even happening anymore, shut the fuck up.

[Scott Weber]

the whole "argument" started because of the way you expressed your opinion, not because you feel the cd is shitty. why did i pick YOUR comment out of 45 other hate comments about the record? think about it. i dont "put you up on that level," because you should assume that position as a staff member of this site. and for the record, i have nothing against kid a, or radiohead, i love alot of their records, but i was just stating the stupidity (in my opinion) of when ANYONE throws a radiohead record around in an argument. i could care less what you like, and vice versa. so leave it at that. peace.


word to the wise - this CD really, really, really sucks.


Am I missing something here? You decided to come after me for that? Whatever, man. You wanted to pick a fight and you got one.

[badstarsfall]

Am I missing something here? You decided to come after me for that? Whatever, man. You wanted to pick a fight and you got one.

It's your opinion, and your opinion alone. Sure a lot of other kids aren't going to like the CD. Some are going to LOVE it. But when a member of the site's staff says something like that, without any justification or substance to it, it makes the rest of the staff look bad too. I think people are just trying to say back yourself up.

[tedE]

I think you guys put site staff on a pedestal. He made a passing comment in the thread, probably half humorous. Don't take people so seriously just because they are site staff. Not to mention, as he said ,he justified it in other posts.

If any other forum member posted what he did, would you have jumped down their throat too?

[weworemasks]

It's your opinion, and your opinion alone. Sure a lot of other kids aren't going to like the CD. Some are going to LOVE it. But when a member of the site's staff says something like that, without any justification or substance to it, it makes the rest of the staff look bad too. I think people are just trying to say
back yourself up.

my points exactly, except i didn't handle it like you did. whatever. i stand by everything i said. now its not just me scott...so you know.

[xtbs7645x]

anyone, want to send me a link for the new cd?

[TING]

has anyone asked Keith from Days Away how he feels about the album?