View Full Version : Well Here It Is...United 93 Review
TJ Wells
04/29/06, 04:41 PM
Below or right here (http://www.absolutepunk.net/journal.php?do=showjournal&j=184):
United 93 - 10/10
PROS:
- Everything
CONS:
- May be too hard to watch for many people
I'll just come out and say it: this is the most important film of the year. It is the best film (at least so far) of the year. It is also one of the most difficult things i've ever watched in my life (yes, that includes ACTUAL 9/11 footage). You've heard all about this movie, you know the hype, and you've probably already made a decision about what you think of it, even though most of you haven't seen it yet. I'm here to tell you that, no matter what you think (too early, not to early?) you NEED to see this movie.
United 93 tells the story of the passengers of that flight and how they fought back their hijackers and managed to foil their plans to go for (likely) the Capitol or another major Washington landmark, instead forcing the plane into the ground in rural Pennsylvania. The movie basically goes through the day from the rising of the sun to the horrible, inevitable conclusion.
In short: this movie is brilliant. Director Greengrass (Bloody Sunday, The Bourne Supremacy) has managed to make what many people thought was impossible, especially in such a short time: a completely un-biased, fact-based look at what may have happened aboard flight 93. The film is shot documentary style with mostly unknown actors, which was probably the first great decision of many that Greengrass made. Going with unrecognizable actors makes it less likely for a viewer to associate them with a previous character, and instead we associate them as the actual passenger.
The acting is brilliant. It really seems like a camera actually aboard the plane and we are just witnessing the events without being able to stop them. All the actors who play passengers of the flight spent weeks learning everything they could about the person they would be playing, in an attempt to make it as real as possible. There is not a bad apple in the bunch. The four men who play the terrorists are teriffic as well. You can see that they really believe they are doing something that will benefit the world in the long run.
Another brilliant decision that Greengrass made is to have most of the military, FAA, etc. officers play themselves. This makes it all that much real, because you can imagine that this is EXACTLY what it was like on that terrible day. The most impressive "acting" job comes from FAA director Ben Sliney, who plays himself. This man made one of the most difficult decisions of the day, deciding to ground ALL air traffic into the U.S., undoubtedly causing millions, maybe billions of dollars to the airlines, under EXTREME pressure from his advisors not to do it. You see here that it wasn't even a question for him, he didn't feel the pressure to not close the airports, because he knew that if he didn't things could become exponentially worse.
This film did not come too soon. Unfortunately, some people will hate it no matter what because of personal experiences with that day, and that's fine. It's not a movie that wants you to like it; it simply wants to present a possibility of what may have happened aboard that flight. This is not an easy film to watch: you WILL cry. You may walk out because it's too hard to bear; I almost did. However, this is truly a brilliant testament to all those who lost their lives on September 11, and it is one of the most honorable films i've seen in my life. See It!!!
reductiondesign
04/29/06, 04:44 PM
You really made me want to see this now.
Steve Henderson
04/29/06, 04:44 PM
I want to see this so bad...
TJ Wells
04/29/06, 04:45 PM
You really made me want to see this now.
You should, however, i'll say it again: it's not for everyone. It is unbelievably hard to watch. Harder than Schindler's List and Sophie's Choice put together x1000.
Steve Henderson
04/29/06, 04:46 PM
I want to see this, but the GF wants to see fucking Silent Hill...trying to talk her out of that.
reductiondesign
04/29/06, 04:46 PM
You should, however, i'll say it again: it's not for everyone. It is unbelievably hard to watch. Harder than Schindler's List and Sophie's Choice put together x1000.
I'll probably be fine with it. I don't mean this in a rude or arrogant way, but I don't feel like 9/11 has affected me personally at all.
ForlrnPerplxity
04/29/06, 04:47 PM
I saw it last night. very good movie, but the tv documentary gave a lot more info.
TJ Wells
04/29/06, 04:47 PM
I want to see this, but the GF wants to see fucking Silent Hill...trying to talk her out of that.
holy shit is the lead singer of the fray's name really slade? that makes me laugh super hard.
Scott Irvine
04/29/06, 04:47 PM
I really don't want to see something like this after I've watched the following...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change&pl=true
TJ Wells
04/29/06, 04:48 PM
I'll probably be fine with it. I don't mean this in a rude or arrogant way, but I don't feel like 9/11 has affected me personally at all.
see thats the way i was too...i wasn't that affected by 9/11, didnt cry or anything, but i couldnt stop at this movie...i mean ive teared up at movies before, but nothing like this.
xgloryxfadesx27
04/29/06, 04:48 PM
A couple of my friends saw it last night. I guess they all said it was great except for one of them who hated it.
I'll have to see it soooonn
TJ Wells
04/29/06, 04:49 PM
I really don't want to see something like this after I've watched the following...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change&pl=true
If that's one of those bullshit conspiracy theory things...I wanted to put a paragraph about the conspiracy nuts who seem to almost enjoy any natural disaster or tragedy so they can blame it on the government...but I guess I just put it here...in a sentence.
FstFtsVsFences
04/29/06, 04:49 PM
I'm probably going to be seeing this tonight.
boldt_action
04/29/06, 04:49 PM
hmmm, I wasn't really interested, until now.
Maybe I'll see it.
Save my day
04/29/06, 04:49 PM
This movie is going to make so much money.
seconds
04/29/06, 04:50 PM
I want to see this even if I wasn't affected (atleast I thought at the time) by the events. I was only 11.
xgloryxfadesx27
04/29/06, 04:50 PM
I really don't want to see something like this after I've watched the following...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change&pl=true
I got like 45 minutes into that video, but I had to stop it because I had work. I should go back to where I left off, it was really good until that point.
boldt_action
04/29/06, 04:50 PM
At least she doesnt want to see "Failure to launch"
boldt_action
04/29/06, 04:51 PM
and now you are 16?
boldt_action
04/29/06, 04:51 PM
damn quick reply is sucking.
seconds
04/29/06, 04:53 PM
and now you are 16?
yeah.
FstFtsVsFences
04/29/06, 04:53 PM
damn quick reply is sucking.
Yeah, I feel like a guy on the side of the road who happened to catch viewing of a car accident start to finish.
JunkBondTrader
04/29/06, 04:54 PM
ill download it
Steve Henderson
04/29/06, 04:58 PM
holy shit is the lead singer of the fray's name really slade? that makes me laugh super hard.
Haha, yeah Isaac Slade.
irthesteve
04/29/06, 04:58 PM
wow... 10, seems like i need to see this
JunkBondTrader
04/29/06, 05:01 PM
i just dled it so ill watch it later
FstFtsVsFences
04/29/06, 05:02 PM
i just dled it so ill watch it later
Congrats....
reductiondesign
04/29/06, 05:03 PM
ill download it
i just dled it so ill watch it later
That was fast.
FstFtsVsFences
04/29/06, 05:04 PM
That was fast.
Less than 10 minutes for a full movie?
JunkBondTrader
04/29/06, 05:05 PM
Less than 10 minutes for a full movie?
yep. you wouldnt believe the speed i get here on campus.
i hit 10MiB a sec
seconds
04/29/06, 05:06 PM
yep. you wouldnt believe the speed i get here on campus.
i hit 10MiB a sec
are you kidding? because that is a amazing.
TJ Wells
04/29/06, 05:06 PM
yep. you wouldnt believe the speed i get here on campus.
i hit 10MiB a sec
you...SUCK. maybe ill drive over there ;)
reductiondesign
04/29/06, 05:07 PM
yep. you wouldnt believe the speed i get here on campus.
i hit 10MiB a sec
Holy God. That's insane.
fromwithin
04/29/06, 05:08 PM
i dont see how its that disturbing everyone knew what happened. i'm sure they incorporated the LETS ROLL! into it for the catchphrase. people die everyday, go to the middle east and try living there and see how it affects you when the cafe across the street blows up.
hobbes2809
04/29/06, 05:08 PM
great review TJ, I'll see this asap
TJ Wells
04/29/06, 05:09 PM
i dont see how its that disturbing everyone knew what happened. i'm sure they incorporated the LETS ROLL! into it for the catchphrase. people die everyday, go to the middle east and try living there and see how it affects you when the cafe across the street blows up.
Dude...shut up. Seriously. Why don't you leave your sheltered Arizona life and go build homes in Mexico, then maybe you can have right to say something.
Below or right here (http://www.absolutepunk.net/journal.php?do=showjournal&j=184):
United 93 - 10/10
PROS:
- Everything
CONS:
- May be too hard to watch for many people
I'll just come out and say it: this is the most important film of the year. It is the best film (at least so far) of the year. It is also one of the most difficult things i've ever watched in my life (yes, that includes ACTUAL 9/11 footage). You've heard all about this movie, you know the hype, and you've probably already made a decision about what you think of it, even though most of you haven't seen it yet. I'm here to tell you that, no matter what you think (too early, not to early?) you NEED to see this movie.
United 93 tells the story of the passengers of that flight and how they fought back their hijackers and managed to foil their plans to go for (likely) the Capitol or another major Washington landmark, instead forcing the plane into the ground in rural Pennsylvania. The movie basically goes through the day from the rising of the sun to the horrible, inevitable conclusion.
In short: this movie is brilliant. Director Greengrass (Bloody Sunday, The Bourne Supremacy) has managed to make what many people thought was impossible, especially in such a short time: a completely un-biased, fact-based look at what may have happened aboard flight 93. The film is shot documentary style with mostly unknown actors, which was probably the first great decision of many that Greengrass made. Going with unrecognizable actors makes it less likely for a viewer to associate them with a previous character, and instead we associate them as the actual passenger.
The acting is brilliant. It really seems like a camera actually aboard the plane and we are just witnessing the events without being able to stop them. All the actors who play passengers of the flight spent weeks learning everything they could about the person they would be playing, in an attempt to make it as real as possible. There is not a bad apple in the bunch. The four men who play the terrorists are teriffic as well. You can see that they really believe they are doing something that will benefit the world in the long run.
Another brilliant decision that Greengrass made is to have most of the military, FAA, etc. officers play themselves. This makes it all that much real, because you can imagine that this is EXACTLY what it was like on that terrible day. The most impressive "acting" job comes from FAA director Ben Sliney, who plays himself. This man made one of the most difficult decisions of the day, deciding to ground ALL air traffic into the U.S., undoubtedly causing millions, maybe billions of dollars to the airlines, under EXTREME pressure from his advisors not to do it. You see here that it wasn't even a question for him, he didn't feel the pressure to not close the airports, because he knew that if he didn't things could become exponentially worse.
This film did not come too soon. Unfortunately, some people will hate it no matter what because of personal experiences with that day, and that's fine. It's not a movie that wants you to like it; it simply wants to present a possibility of what may have happened aboard that flight. This is not an easy film to watch: you WILL cry. You may walk out because it's too hard to bear; I almost did. However, this is truly a brilliant testament to all those who lost their lives on September 11, and it is one of the most honorable films i've seen in my life. See It!!!
I think I heard about this movie a while ago, but had no idea it was called this, and was already out. Maybe I'll check it out sometime. And no, I won't cry.
JunkBondTrader
04/29/06, 05:10 PM
hahaha yea its a campus program hahahaha and its like the biggest sharing thing ever. its called DC++ and everytone on campus shares their files and alot of kids have crazy hookups and get movies the day they are released in theaters. ive seen Luck Number Slevin, Inside Man, V For Vendetta the week they came out, right in the comfort in my own dorm. they also have rips of DVD's before they hit shelves that my roommate dls, (ie Jarhead, Brokeback Mountain, Capote and King kong) had all of them weeks beofre they hit shelves.
and pretty much every cd i want, but i buy most.
hobbes2809
04/29/06, 05:12 PM
hahaha yea its a campus program hahahaha and its like the biggest sharing thing ever. its called DC++ and everytone on campus shares their files and alot of kids have crazy hookups and get movies the day they are released in theaters. ive seen Luck Number Slevin, Inside Man, V For Vendetta the week they came out, right in the comfort in my own dorm. they also have rips of DVD's before they hit shelves that my roommate dls, (ie Jarhead, Brokeback Mountain, Capote and King kong) had all of them weeks beofre they hit shelves.
and pretty much every cd i want, but i buy most.
I have dc++ as well here at school. great program. its even better now that I bought an external hard drive.
JunkBondTrader
04/29/06, 05:13 PM
I have dc++ as well here at school. great program. its even better now that I bought an external hard drive.
yea man. i dont know what im gonna do over the summer. ive become dependent on it.
FstFtsVsFences
04/29/06, 05:14 PM
hahaha yea its a campus program hahahaha and its like the biggest sharing thing ever. its called DC++ and everytone on campus shares their files and alot of kids have crazy hookups and get movies the day they are released in theaters. ive seen Luck Number Slevin, Inside Man, V For Vendetta the week they came out, right in the comfort in my own dorm. they also have rips of DVD's before they hit shelves that my roommate dls, (ie Jarhead, Brokeback Mountain, Capote and King kong) had all of them weeks beofre they hit shelves.
and pretty much every cd i want, but i buy most.
podbytes gets movies usually pretty quickly. i've got all the movies you've mentioned there.
What'd you think of Lucky Number Slevin?
lightcollapse
04/29/06, 05:15 PM
i dont see how its that disturbing everyone knew what happened. i'm sure they incorporated the LETS ROLL! into it for the catchphrase. people die everyday, go to the middle east and try living there and see how it affects you when the cafe across the street blows up.
as ignorant as that comment was, i'm in your sig! hooray!
hobbes2809
04/29/06, 05:15 PM
yea man. i dont know what im gonna do over the summer. ive become dependent on it.
thats exactly why I bought the external. everything I want to watch this summer is going right in there.
you can buy a good 250GB one for like $135 on sale
JunkBondTrader
04/29/06, 05:15 PM
podbytes gets movies usually pretty quickly. i've got all the movies you've mentioned there.
What'd you think of Lucky Number Slevin?
it was alright. eh, i dont know. its a good movie. nothing spectacular
JunkBondTrader
04/29/06, 05:16 PM
thats exactly why I bought the external. everything I want to watch this summer is going right in there.
you can buy a good 250GB one for like $135 on sale
yea my roommate has one, i definately should have gotten one.
my roommate has burned 200+ DVD's this semester haha of actual dvd rips
hobbes2809
04/29/06, 05:17 PM
yea my roommate has one, i definately should have gotten one.
my roommate has burned 200+ DVD's this semester haha of actual dvd rips
....
wow. I had to save up for a month to buy the external, after rent, food, tuition etc, It must be nice to be rich enough to afford 200+ dvds. I think I own maybe 45
jawkneephighv
04/29/06, 05:20 PM
the "let's roll" thing in the movie is so miniscule -- it's not like a big deal/cheezy blockbuster quote. i'm telling you, this movie felt more like an independent film. definitely not movie of the year but intense enough to be a damn good movie.
wtf is podbytes and damn why cant i find any screeners or anything else on united 93 online :(
and externals arent that expensive. ive got a laptop, so i bought an internal HD (250GB) for 69.99, then bought an enclosure for it. and it hooks up to my laptop via USB and works fine.
I want to see it HORRIBLY but I won't, because there is no way in hell I am going to the theater by myself.
TotallyAdorable
04/29/06, 05:25 PM
This movie is going to make so much money.
Yeah, and if they don't donate all of the profits then they are all disgusting.
lightcollapse
04/29/06, 05:26 PM
Yeah, and if they don't donate all of the profits then they are all disgusting.
AHAHA WTF. you think they spent all this time making this movie to be flat out broke? are you fucking joking?
TJ Wells
04/29/06, 05:28 PM
Yeah, and if they don't donate all of the profits then they are all disgusting.
i REALLY hope that was sarcastic
Hidenothing27
04/29/06, 05:41 PM
I really don't want to see something like this after I've watched the following...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change&pl=true
you do understand that watching the first 5 minutes of that proves that if this was planned it had to be also during clintons admin. and their evidence for the us doing it is nuts. and you do realize that according to this film atleast 20 plus people on the inside would have had to know it was planned and you really think 20 some people would let thousands of people die.. its not ETHICAL... and that movie that said hijackers are still alive... they have proof they are not. and a 757 did not his the pentagon.. they have video of the hijacters at the airport going in the plane.. c'mon think about it ethically..
i honestly think that anyone that believes any kind of conspiracy is at work here is just a complete idiot.
TotallyAdorable
04/29/06, 06:01 PM
AHAHA WTF. you think they spent all this time making this movie to be flat out broke? are you fucking joking?
First of all, I didn't say that no one should be paid. I'm saying that the profits on this movie should be donated.
Second of all, no I'm not fucking joking. To profit off a national tragedy not even five years old is absolutely disgusting. If they're taking in all the profits then they're doing nothing but trying to make money over the deaths of many, including heros no less.
TotallyAdorable
04/29/06, 06:04 PM
i REALLY hope that was sarcastic
Why? You're going to tell me that you think they deserve to sit on a wad of cash while the people that gave them that movie are lost parts of grieving families? If anyone deserves the money its the loved ones of those that lost someone that day.
lightcollapse
04/29/06, 06:09 PM
First of all, I didn't say that no one should be paid. I'm saying that the profits on this movie should be donated.
Second of all, no I'm not fucking joking. To profit off a national tragedy not even five years old is absolutely disgusting. If they're taking in all the profits then they're doing nothing but trying to make money over the deaths of many, including heros no less.
if the profits are donated, how are people going to be paid?
and they're making a movie, not tarnishing the names of those who died. its art based of a true event. are you saying any movie thats "based on a true story" that's sad and based on a tragedy is just profiting off someone elses grief?
When people say, "the filmmakers should donate all the money to the victim's families!", do they not realize that the families probably don't need the money if the victim had life insurance...
TotallyAdorable
04/29/06, 06:18 PM
if the profits are donated, how are people going to be paid?
and they're making a movie, not tarnishing the names of those who died. its art based of a true event. are you saying any movie thats "based on a true story" that's sad and based on a tragedy is just profiting off someone elses grief?
Profits are money made after expenses (which include salaries.)
I understand your argument for it being art based on a true event. My argument to that would be, however, that the intention behind it was not to create a new idea on a true event, but trying to interpret and recreate an event. In this way it is less an art than it is a documentation. The rights of such a documentation of such a tragic event, especially one as recent as this, should not bring entitlement to some ridiculous sum of money. I also understand that they meant it to be a documentation because they did not want to tarnish the memory by bringing any falsehoods into the story. However, if their concern is the memory of those lost than why shouldn't the profits be donated to that memory?
Just my thought. Maybe I just have a "too soon" perspective on the film.
TotallyAdorable
04/29/06, 06:21 PM
When people say, "the filmmakers should donate all the money to the victim's families!", do they not realize that the families probably don't need the money if the victim had life insurance...
But what are the chances that the majority of the victims had life insurance? We're not even talking about a group that was necessarily all adults. Beside that, life insurance will not come close to amounting the money that a family could have achieved otherwise in most cases. Otherwise it would make no sense for insurance agencies to do business.
Save my day
04/29/06, 06:23 PM
They aren't donating this money, the made this movie knowing it would make shitloads of money.
Hidenothing27
04/29/06, 06:23 PM
well to settle this they are donationg 10 % of opening weekend.... so 5-6 million.. and there were like 30 passengers.. it either goe to them or the memorial they are building.. that reivew makes want to go see it
Hidenothing27
04/29/06, 06:23 PM
They aren't donating this money, the made this movie knowing it would make shitloads of money.
wrong wrong.. they are not that stupid
lightcollapse
04/29/06, 06:23 PM
Profits are money made after expenses (which include salaries.)
I understand your argument for it being art based on a true event. My argument to that would be, however, that the intention behind it was not to create a new idea on a true event, but trying to interpret and recreate an event. In this way it is less an art than it is a documentation. The rights of such a documentation of such a tragic event, especially one as recent as this, should not bring entitlement to some ridiculous sum of money. I also understand that they meant it to be a documentation because they did not want to tarnish the memory by bringing any falsehoods into the story. However, if their concern is the memory of those lost than why shouldn't the profits be donated to that memory?
Just my thought. Maybe I just have a "too soon" perspective on the film.
see it first.
and because people work to make money, since i don't know money is kind of important.
and yeah, documentaries are a good thing. should the penguins be given tons of money because march of the penguins didn't analyze and interpret the symbolism involved in lives of penguins? fuck, that was sad, some of the penguins died.
FstFtsVsFences
04/29/06, 06:23 PM
I'm seeing it in less than an hour, I'll let you guys know what I think....
XpunkXroutineX
04/29/06, 06:30 PM
Fuck World Trade was an awesome album by Leftover Crack. If you haven't, check it out.
TotallyAdorable
04/29/06, 06:37 PM
see it first.
and because people work to make money, since i don't know money is kind of important.
and yeah, documentaries are a good thing. should the penguins be given tons of money because march of the penguins didn't analyze and interpret the symbolism involved in lives of penguins? fuck, that was sad, some of the penguins died.
I think I've seen and heard enough about that day that I don't need Hollywood's take on it. I'm sure it's a great movie and I'd see it in a heartbeat if I knew that the intentions behind it were to bring some kind of memorial to the day as opposed to making money.
And yeah... once again... the salary thing... they can still make money... it's neat.
Last but not least, the purpose of most documentaries is to bring about an idea through documentation. "March of the Penguins", your example, was able to bring to light something that was relatively unseen in the public eye and if they believe strongly in that, then I would hope they donated some of the proceeds to help in some related cause as well. The motive behind this movie seems to largely be greed.
Scott Irvine
04/29/06, 06:59 PM
If that's one of those bullshit conspiracy theory things...I wanted to put a paragraph about the conspiracy nuts who seem to almost enjoy any natural disaster or tragedy so they can blame it on the government...but I guess I just put it here...in a sentence.
Watch it before you disregard it. You'll be blown away.
SLADE775
04/29/06, 07:01 PM
It wasn't perfect because it's too soon.
I also thought that the TV version was better.
Jess7286
04/29/06, 07:04 PM
see it first.
and because people work to make money, since i don't know money is kind of important.
and yeah, documentaries are a good thing. should the penguins be given tons of money because march of the penguins didn't analyze and interpret the symbolism involved in lives of penguins? fuck, that was sad, some of the penguins died.
I call for a PENGUIN UNION! Strike against this government Hollywood conspiracy!
Hidenothing27
04/29/06, 07:05 PM
Watch it before you disregard it. You'll be blown away.
do some research for yourself and you'll see alot of it is bs (some parts are interesting) no one says the steel melted we know it didnt. there are support beams that warped outword and the weight then came down. no steal melted. there are 8 some support beam/cylinder things. research it yourself man dont accept their facts in the video
jawkneephighv
04/29/06, 07:07 PM
that loose change video is garbage.
Hidenothing27
04/29/06, 07:09 PM
and those little blasts bs as well.
that loose change video is garbage.
thank god for smart people
apoemtothedead
04/29/06, 07:33 PM
United 93 tells the story of the passengers of that flight and how they fought back their hijackers and managed to foil their plans to go for (likely) the Capitol or another major Washington landmark, instead forcing the plane into the ground in rural Pennsylvania. The movie basically goes through the day from the rising of the sun to the horrible, inevitable conclusion.
Way to ruin it, asshole.
Jason Tate
04/29/06, 07:41 PM
Seems like a big 'ol propaganda movie to me - to drum up sympathy again. I dunno. I won't be seeing it if they won't release the blackbox recordings to the public so we can hear what actually went on up there - otherwise, it seems like fiction to me. That's just my opinion. Horrible day, horrible event, but profiteering, and reliving it through mass media seems to cheapen it and make it hollywoodized.
reductiondesign
04/29/06, 07:46 PM
I think we need the reminder - lots of people had forgotten why we're still fighting the terrorists.
Jason Tate
04/29/06, 07:47 PM
I think we need the reminder - lots of people had forgotten why we're still fighting the terrorists.
Lots of us still are confused why we aren't fighting the terrorists too. No Bin Laden, no updates from Afganistan ... just a whole lot of Iraq.
jawkneephighv
04/29/06, 07:48 PM
Seems like a big 'ol propaganda movie to me - to drum up sympathy again. I dunno. I won't be seeing it if they won't release the blackbox recordings to the public so we can hear what actually went on up there - otherwise, it seems like fiction to me. That's just my opinion. Horrible day, horrible event, but profiteering, and reliving it through mass media seems to cheapen it and make it hollywoodized.They released it to the victims family members didn't they?
Jason Tate
04/29/06, 07:49 PM
They released it to the victims family members didn't they?
Some of it, which doesn't really mean a whole lot. And the familes had to sign papers swearing to not talk about what's on there. I dunno much about the movie at all, but was there enough data/evidence to even make the movie and call it factual?
jawkneephighv
04/29/06, 07:51 PM
Some of it, which doesn't really mean a whole lot. And the familes had to sign papers swearing to not talk about what's on there. I dunno much about the movie at all, but was there enough data/evidence to even make the movie and call it factual?Who's calling this movie factual? I think if the family members of the victims got to hear it, that's good enough for me. I don't need to hear it.
Jason Tate
04/29/06, 07:52 PM
Who's calling this movie factual? I think if the family members of the victims got to hear it, that's good enough for me. I don't need to hear it.
I dunno, the tag line, "this is their story.." kinda makes me think that they're pushing it off as what happend that day on United 93. And I'm just a little confused about that whole incident ... for quite a few reasons.
jawkneephighv
04/29/06, 07:53 PM
I dunno, the tag line, "this is their story.." kinda makes me think that they're pushing it off as what happend that day on United 93.I didn't know that was the tagline -- that's stupid. It should be "their story...interpreted the way we think it went down."
Jason Tate
04/29/06, 07:55 PM
I didn't know that was the tagline -- that's stupid. It should be "their story...interpreted the way we think it went down."
I'm basing this on like 3 commercials I saw, so I could be wrong. I don't know for sure.
I'm having a bad day, so if I come across dickish in this thread - or unsympathetic, I'm sorry.
Jess7286
04/29/06, 07:56 PM
Well obviously it's not THEIR story since they're dead...
It's like a catch phrase. The filmmakers assume that most people have common sense to know that it's an interpretation.
jawkneephighv
04/29/06, 08:10 PM
I'm basing this on like 3 commercials I saw, so I could be wrong. I don't know for sure.
I'm having a bad day, so if I come across dickish in this thread - or unsympathetic, I'm sorry.Not coming off dickish at all, Jason. It's a touchy subject in general anyway.
Jason Tate
04/29/06, 08:11 PM
Well obviously it's not THEIR story since they're dead...
It's like a catch phrase. The filmmakers assume that most people have common sense to know that it's an interpretation.
The American public is kinda stupid. Hahaa.
jawkneephighv
04/29/06, 08:12 PM
The American public is kinda stupid. Hahaa.Yup. That's exactly why I heard there's gonna be a disclaimer saying the following is fiction for Da Vinci Code. No joke.
Jess7286
04/29/06, 08:14 PM
The American public is kinda stupid. Hahaa.
Yeah, that's true. We have a pretty low literacy rate compared to how many colleges/universities/public educational institutions we have.
And, there should be a fucking disclaimer IN the damn Da Vinci Code book. People think Dan Brown's analysis is 100% factual and somehow Jesus is now gay.
Ryan Imhof
04/29/06, 08:27 PM
I'm having a bad day Haha, ohh you have no idea
dashboard1190
04/29/06, 08:53 PM
I need to see: United 93, Akeelah & The Bee, and Friends With Money.
Soon.
smallbutfeisty
04/29/06, 09:03 PM
I really want to see this movie, but my usual movie-going partner doesn't want to, so I don't know when I'll get to.
FstFtsVsFences
04/29/06, 09:37 PM
Holy shit...
Haha, ohh you have no idea
I guarantee your day is not HALF AS BAD as mine is going to be tomorrow. I swear to you, I hope I die in my sleep tonight and I am dead serious.
FstFtsVsFences
04/29/06, 09:44 PM
I'm basing this on like 3 commercials I saw, so I could be wrong. I don't know for sure.
I'm having a bad day, so if I come across dickish in this thread - or unsympathetic, I'm sorry.
I could totally understand you being skeptical of this movie without having seen it. I was the same way and figured it would just be a cash-in on the event. Now, you could still argue that it was, but that doesn't take away from the fact that this was one of the most powerful movies I've seen in a long time. It was done very professionally, so don't go bashing it before you've seen it dude.
dashboard1190
04/29/06, 09:52 PM
I could totally understand you being skeptical of this movie without having seen it. I was the same way and figured it would just be a cash-in on the event. Now, you could still argue that it was, but that doesn't take away from the fact that this was one of the most powerful movies I've seen in a long time. It was done very professionally, so don't go bashing it before you've seen it dude.
All of my friends are so anti-this movie. "How could you make a movie about this..blahblahblah." But, I think that if it's done right (which is it what it sounds like), it will be extremely moving and powerful.
lightcollapse
04/29/06, 10:04 PM
people died. they'll go down in history. the families have to realize that. its not like anything that brings up the day of 9/11 is offensive and emotionally harmful for the families. sure its hard, but they made history in an honorable way and nobody is being offended when that's recognized. i'm sure some of the families love this. fuck, the sent the plane down in pennsylvania and saved lives, if thats not honorable what is?
FstFtsVsFences
04/29/06, 10:07 PM
All of my friends are so anti-this movie. "How could you make a movie about this..blahblahblah." But, I think that if it's done right (which is it what it sounds like), it will be extremely moving and powerful.
Yeah, it didn't look like some Hollywood all-star blockbuster. It was done professionally and tastefully so that everything felt and looked right. Great great movie.
dashboard1190
04/29/06, 10:08 PM
Yeah, it didn't look like some Hollywood all-star blockbuster. It was done professionally and tastefully so that everything felt and looked right. Great great movie.
I might go see it alone tomorrow.
Jason Tate
04/29/06, 10:08 PM
I could totally understand you being skeptical of this movie without having seen it. I was the same way and figured it would just be a cash-in on the event. Now, you could still argue that it was, but that doesn't take away from the fact that this was one of the most powerful movies I've seen in a long time. It was done very professionally, so don't go bashing it before you've seen it dude.
Understood, except, we don't have any sort of proof (that I've seen) of what happend on this plane. So it seems to be that it's a fictionalized story being portrayed to grab and tug at the heartstrings for no real reason. That's my only complaint I guess. There's so many unanswered questions about that day - that I think it's a little weird to make a movie basically (in a way) cementing a version of what happend forever in people's brains without (again, what I've seen/read) any sort of real proof. In the nicest way possible I have to ask, "why make shit up?"
apoemtothedead
04/29/06, 10:10 PM
Understood, except, we don't have any sort of proof (that I've seen) of what happend on this plane. So it seems to be that it's a fictionalized story being portrayed to grab and tug at the heartstrings for no real reason. That's my only complaint I guess. There's so many unanswered questions about that day - that I think it's a little weird to make a movie basically (in a way) cementing a version of what happend forever in people's brains without (again, what I've seen/read) any sort of real proof. In the nicest way possible I have to ask, "why make shit up?"
Well, I think people had a pretty strong idea as to what they think went down on the day before the movie was made. It's not like the movie is going to be changing anybody's mind.
TJ Wells
04/29/06, 10:12 PM
Understood, except, we don't have any sort of proof (that I've seen) of what happend on this plane. So it seems to be that it's a fictionalized story being portrayed to grab and tug at the heartstrings for no real reason. That's my only complaint I guess. There's so many unanswered questions about that day - that I think it's a little weird to make a movie basically (in a way) cementing a version of what happend forever in people's brains without (again, what I've seen/read) any sort of real proof. In the nicest way possible I have to ask, "why make shit up?"
In my opinion, it's not a movie about making shit up, it's really just what the director and writer think makes the most sense about what happened on that plane.
FstFtsVsFences
04/29/06, 10:12 PM
Understood, except, we don't have any sort of proof (that I've seen) of what happend on this plane. So it seems to be that it's a fictionalized story being portrayed to grab and tug at the heartstrings for no real reason. That's my only complaint I guess. There's so many unanswered questions about that day - that I think it's a little weird to make a movie basically (in a way) cementing a version of what happend forever in people's brains without (again, what I've seen/read) any sort of real proof. In the nicest way possible I have to ask, "why make shit up?"
I hadn't really thought of it that way, so you bring up a really good point that most people are probably going to look over. I know for a fact that things didn't happen exactly or maybe even close to how they happened in that movie, but what I do know is that I left the film feeling a little more hopeful about the whole situation. Sure it might have been a cheap pull at the heart strings, but it worked for me and got me on the edge of my seat. I'd recommend seeing it just to see how you feel about it. In any case, it was a really well done movie.
Jason Tate
04/29/06, 10:14 PM
Well, I think people had a pretty strong idea as to what they think went down on the day before the movie was made. It's not like the movie is going to be changing anybody's mind.
I guess I'd just like to see some sort of real evidence or something I guess. Without it, I have to think it just seems like a whole lot of propaganda to get people all riled up again emotionally before we attack Iran or something. That's the conspiracy theorist in me .. but I don't understand making a movie on real events without knowing what the real events were.
dashboard1190
04/29/06, 10:15 PM
I guess I'd just like to see some sort of real evidence or something I guess. Without it, I have to think it just seems like a whole lot of propaganda to get people all riled up again emotionally before we attack Iran or something. That's the conspiracy theorist in me .. but I don't understand making a movie on real events without knowing what the real events were.
You are a smart man.
Jason Tate
04/29/06, 10:16 PM
In my opinion, it's not a movie about making shit up, it's really just what the director and writer think makes the most sense about what happened on that plane.
Yah, I completely understand that 100%. I just know most of the people watching it - won't. Those that understand what it is, more power to them. But it's like the people watching any Michael Moore film and not really "getting" what it is - or the idiots that watch Americas Most Wanted and see the re-enactment of some crime and assume that they have real video of the crime and know exactly what went down. I don't have much faith in the common movie going public to be honest.
I'm drinking, I'm in a horrible, horrible mood (certain girls suck ass), so I am putting this disclaimer on my posts tonight.
lightcollapse
04/29/06, 10:17 PM
Yah, I completely understand that 100%. I just know most of the people watching it - won't. It's like the idiots that watch Americas Most Wanted and see the re-enactment of some crime and assume that they have real video of the crime and know exactly what went down.
I'm drinking, I'm in a horrible, horrible mood, so I am putting this disclaimer on my posts tonight.
we were reading dante's inferno in class, and the girl in front of me asked me if it was a true story.
tiny222
04/29/06, 10:18 PM
I agree with what Jason is saying. There's really so many unanswered questions, and it makes me very uneasy about seeing this movie. I said this the other day, I think I'm just still way to uncomfortable with the situation for a movie at this point. I'd just rather know what happened up there then see a movie that "could portray real events."
FstFtsVsFences
04/29/06, 10:18 PM
Yah, I completely understand that 100%. I just know most of the people watching it - won't. Those that understand what it is, more power to them. But it's like the people watching any Michael Moore film and not really "getting" what it is - or the idiots that watch Americas Most Wanted and see the re-enactment of some crime and assume that they have real video of the crime and know exactly what went down. I don't have much faith in the common movie going public to be honest.
I'm drinking, I'm in a horrible, horrible mood (certain girls suck ass), so I am putting this disclaimer on my posts tonight.
I wish I was drinking tonight. :crytears:
Jason Tate
04/29/06, 10:20 PM
I agree with what Jason is saying. There's really so many unanswered questions, and it makes me very uneasy about seeing this movie. I said this the other day, I think I'm just still way to uncomfortable with the situation for a movie at this point. I'd just rather know what happened up there then see a movie that "could portray real events."
Cute baby picture.
I mean, I may (read: probably) rent the movie when it comes out. I tend to see most things when they hit video (I love Hollywood video MVP), but I am being a little weary about what goes on in real life first, and will be watching the movie with full knowledge that I haven't seen really a shred of evidence that backs up what's taking place (just like when I watch the fictional Di Vinci code movie later this summer).
Jason Tate
04/29/06, 10:21 PM
I wish I was drinking tonight. :crytears:
Heineken was on sale at Costco. I could get very interesting in about an hour ... if I start ranting about how girls can basically all rot in hell, you know what happend.
Heineken was on sale at Costco. I could get very interesting in about an hour ... if I start ranting about how girls can basically all rot in hell, you know what happend.
vodka > beer.
aminorthreat55
04/29/06, 10:22 PM
In my opinion, it's not a movie about making shit up, it's really just what the director and writer think makes the most sense about what happened on that plane.
Yeah, but this is America, the land of "well it was in that movie/well I saw it on tv."
Jason Tate
04/29/06, 10:23 PM
we were reading dante's inferno in class, and the girl in front of me asked me if it was a true story.
My response: Yes, now go to the seventh circle and DIE.
I told a girl she was stupid my first year of college, she threw her book at me and dropped out. 100% true story.
FstFtsVsFences
04/29/06, 10:24 PM
vodka > beer.
False.
FstFtsVsFences
04/29/06, 10:24 PM
Heineken was on sale at Costco. I could get very interesting in about an hour ... if I start ranting about how girls can basically all rot in hell, you know what happend.
Never had it, but if it was on sale, Lord knows I'd drink it and plenty of it at that.
False.
i know. i dont really know what the hell im talking about.
Jason Tate
04/29/06, 10:24 PM
vodka > beer.
No vodka at Costco dude. I miss that about California.
Vodka Clubs are awesome ... ahhh. I may need to find my way to a bar tonight.
tiny222
04/29/06, 10:24 PM
Cute baby picture.
I mean, I may (read: probably) rent the movie when it comes out. I tend to see most things when they hit video (I love Hollywood video MVP), but I am being a little weary about what goes on in real life first, and will be watching the movie with full knowledge that I haven't seen really a shred of evidence that backs up what's taking place (just like when I watch the fictional Di Vinci code movie later this summer).
Hahah, thanks! :) My alcohol abuse apparently goes back quite a few years.
I just don't want my opinion on the matter to be swayed because of this movie, and I really think that's going to happen with a lot of people.
jawkneephighv
04/29/06, 10:24 PM
Agreed.Fixed.
Jason Tate
04/29/06, 10:25 PM
Never had it, but if it was on sale, Lord knows I'd drink it and plenty of it at that.
That's about my mentality.
My mentality: WOAH, it's on sale .. hmm .. loads 30 pack into cart.
I'm not an alcoholic, I just act like one on the internet.
tiny222
04/29/06, 10:25 PM
Vodka is not better than much. It's just a cheap way to get totally fucked up.
dashboard1190
04/29/06, 10:25 PM
My response: Yes, now go to the seventh circle and DIE.
I told a girl she was stupid my first year of college, she threw her book at me and dropped out. 100% true story.
Haha.
Any clue where she is now?
That's about my mentality.
My mentality: WOAH, it's on sale .. hmm .. loads 30 pack into cart.
I'm not an alcoholic, I just act like one on the internet.
Tate, now that you're drunk, you should i-m me cause i want to ask you something haha
Jason Tate
04/29/06, 10:27 PM
Hahah, thanks! :) My alcohol abuse apparently goes back quite a few years.
I just don't want my opinion on the matter to be swayed because of this movie, and I really think that's going to happen with a lot of people.
Yep. And we all live in the Matrix with Veliciraptors being cloned at the core of the earth with warlocks!
FstFtsVsFences
04/29/06, 10:27 PM
That's about my mentality.
My mentality: WOAH, it's on sale .. hmm .. loads 30 pack into cart.
I'm not an alcoholic, I just act like one on the internet.
I'm that way with the sale stuff for sure. My buddy and I were looking for beer and got like a 30 pack of Mil. Best Light for 10 bucks. That works out to 15 beers for 5 bucks. That works out to me ranting about how reggatone isn't real music in a drunken stupor before passing out in a shower.
dashboard1190
04/29/06, 10:28 PM
That's about my mentality.
My mentality: WOAH, it's on sale .. hmm .. loads 30 pack into cart.
I'm not an alcoholic, I just act like one on the internet.
Any news on the hot shorts?
Jason Tate
04/29/06, 10:28 PM
Haha.
Any clue where she is now?
No clue. Probably a Community College somewhere wondering why she dropped out of school because the arrogant asshole in the back of the class told her he wouldn't talk to her the rest of the year because she was stupid. Fuck her if she can't take a joke.
Jason Tate
04/29/06, 10:29 PM
Any news on the hot shorts?
Stupid mail order. No, I need to start complaining to customer service.
dashboard1190
04/29/06, 10:30 PM
Stupid mail order. No, I need to start complaining to customer service.
What luck.
Jason Tate
04/29/06, 10:30 PM
I'm that way with the sale stuff for sure. My buddy and I were looking for beer and got like a 30 pack of Mil. Best Light for 10 bucks. That works out to 15 beers for 5 bucks. That works out to me ranting about how reggatone isn't real music in a drunken stupor before passing out in a shower.
The shower is where I have met my demise on many occasion.
FstFtsVsFences
04/29/06, 10:31 PM
The shower is where I have met my demise on many occasion.
Hahahaha, we had a security scare since it was a 21+ apartment and we'd have 24 hours to leave if caught, so I hid in the shower and then just didn't wake up. Fantastic.
Jason Tate
04/29/06, 10:33 PM
Hahahaha, we had a security scare since it was a 21+ apartment and we'd have 24 hours to leave if caught, so I hid in the shower and then just didn't wake up. Fantastic.
I was caught my junior year of college peeing in a girl's shampoo bottle in her shower. Cassino night basically killed me 2 years in a row.
FstFtsVsFences
04/29/06, 10:34 PM
I was caught my junior year of college peeing in a girl's shampoo bottle in her shower. Cassino night basically killed me 2 years in a row.
Peeing in a shampoo bottle? Did she kill your dog or something?
Jason Tate
04/29/06, 10:36 PM
Peeing in a shampoo bottle? Did she kill your dog or something?
No, she was on the girl's soccer team. And was dating my roomate. I was fucking pissass drunk and thought it'd be funny. Everyone else did not find it amusing. I deserved teh scorn and blackballing I received for like 3 weeks. My brilliant ideas are always foolproof at the time, but when I go through with them - I always end up in trouble.
dashboard1190
04/29/06, 10:39 PM
No, she was on the girl's soccer team. And was dating my roomate. I was fucking pissass drunk and thought it'd be funny. Everyone else did not find it amusing. I deserved teh scorn and blackballing I received for like 3 weeks. My brilliant ideas are always foolproof at the time, but when I go through with them - I always end up in trouble.
Drunken ideas are very rarely actually good ones.
No, she was on the girl's soccer team. And was dating my roomate. I was fucking pissass drunk and thought it'd be funny. Everyone else did not find it amusing. I deserved teh scorn and blackballing I received for like 3 weeks. My brilliant ideas are always foolproof at the time, but when I go through with them - I always end up in trouble.
Whenever I used to get drunk, I'd always end up on my friends back deck getting the shit kicked out of me because I'd get like aggressive and depressed about every little thing. Luckily, I have learned how to control myself better.
FstFtsVsFences
04/29/06, 10:41 PM
No, she was on the girl's soccer team. And was dating my roomate. I was fucking pissass drunk and thought it'd be funny. Everyone else did not find it amusing. I deserved teh scorn and blackballing I received for like 3 weeks. My brilliant ideas are always foolproof at the time, but when I go through with them - I always end up in trouble.
What are you gonna do when you hit 20k?
dashboard1190
04/29/06, 10:41 PM
Whenever I used to get drunk, I'd always end up on my friends back deck getting the shit kicked out of me because I'd get like aggressive and depressed about every little thing. Luckily, I have learned how to control myself better.
While being drunk i've ended up peeing in mailboxes / unlocked cars. And my friends have gone into unlocked cars and scored some sweet stuff.
FstFtsVsFences
04/29/06, 10:42 PM
I need to get high as fuck. Someone come by and hook me up.
Jason Tate
04/29/06, 10:43 PM
What are you gonna do when you hit 20k?
Buy another 30 pack. Hahah.
FstFtsVsFences
04/29/06, 10:44 PM
Buy another 30 pack. Hahah.
Hahahaha good answer!
Buy another 30 pack. Hahah.
Count it!
Come to my birthday party, Jason!
FstFtsVsFences
04/29/06, 10:46 PM
Count it!
:bball:
lightcollapse
04/29/06, 10:48 PM
all my friends get high every day, but i don't because i'm a responsible 14 year old.
Skatetopunk
04/29/06, 10:52 PM
Below or right here (http://www.absolutepunk.net/journal.php?do=showjournal&j=184):
United 93 - 10/10
PROS:
- Everything
CONS:
- May be too hard to watch for many people
I'll just come out and say it: this is the most important film of the year. It is the best film (at least so far) of the year. It is also one of the most difficult things i've ever watched in my life (yes, that includes ACTUAL 9/11 footage). You've heard all about this movie, you know the hype, and you've probably already made a decision about what you think of it, even though most of you haven't seen it yet. I'm here to tell you that, no matter what you think (too early, not to early?) you NEED to see this movie.
United 93 tells the story of the passengers of that flight and how they fought back their hijackers and managed to foil their plans to go for (likely) the Capitol or another major Washington landmark, instead forcing the plane into the ground in rural Pennsylvania. The movie basically goes through the day from the rising of the sun to the horrible, inevitable conclusion.
In short: this movie is brilliant. Director Greengrass (Bloody Sunday, The Bourne Supremacy) has managed to make what many people thought was impossible, especially in such a short time: a completely un-biased, fact-based look at what may have happened aboard flight 93. The film is shot documentary style with mostly unknown actors, which was probably the first great decision of many that Greengrass made. Going with unrecognizable actors makes it less likely for a viewer to associate them with a previous character, and instead we associate them as the actual passenger.
The acting is brilliant. It really seems like a camera actually aboard the plane and we are just witnessing the events without being able to stop them. All the actors who play passengers of the flight spent weeks learning everything they could about the person they would be playing, in an attempt to make it as real as possible. There is not a bad apple in the bunch. The four men who play the terrorists are teriffic as well. You can see that they really believe they are doing something that will benefit the world in the long run.
Another brilliant decision that Greengrass made is to have most of the military, FAA, etc. officers play themselves. This makes it all that much real, because you can imagine that this is EXACTLY what it was like on that terrible day. The most impressive "acting" job comes from FAA director Ben Sliney, who plays himself. This man made one of the most difficult decisions of the day, deciding to ground ALL air traffic into the U.S., undoubtedly causing millions, maybe billions of dollars to the airlines, under EXTREME pressure from his advisors not to do it. You see here that it wasn't even a question for him, he didn't feel the pressure to not close the airports, because he knew that if he didn't things could become exponentially worse.
This film did not come too soon. Unfortunately, some people will hate it no matter what because of personal experiences with that day, and that's fine. It's not a movie that wants you to like it; it simply wants to present a possibility of what may have happened aboard that flight. This is not an easy film to watch: you WILL cry. You may walk out because it's too hard to bear; I almost did. However, this is truly a brilliant testament to all those who lost their lives on September 11, and it is one of the most honorable films i've seen in my life. See It!!!
great review dude
FstFtsVsFences
04/29/06, 10:53 PM
all my friends get high every day, but i don't because i'm a responsible 14 year old.
Pussy.
lightcollapse
04/29/06, 10:55 PM
Pussy.
i'm not going to lie, i'm a little bitch.
TJ Wells
04/29/06, 10:56 PM
This is easily the biggest thread i've ever started, aside from certain News posts. I'm so happy, it's like my baby. :)
Steve Henderson
04/30/06, 06:22 AM
Heineken was on sale at Costco. I could get very interesting in about an hour ... if I start ranting about how girls can basically all rot in hell, you know what happend.
I just tried that Heineken Premium Light last night...fucking good shit...tastes just like normal Heineken.
AloneInTheDark
04/30/06, 06:40 AM
I'm going to see this in a few hours, I thought Bloody Sunday was a brilliant mocumentary.
MakeDamnSure
04/30/06, 06:50 AM
Is it actually being toted as a documentary? If no, then I don't see the difference between this and Hotel Rwanda. And that was far more tragic, at least on the scale of human life and international reaction.
AloneInTheDark
04/30/06, 07:02 AM
Is it actually being toted as a documentary? If no, then I don't see the difference between this and Hotel Rwanda. And that was far more tragic, at least on the scale of human life and international reaction.
It's a mocumentary, it's probably a whole lot like Bloody Sunday was. In that case, there's some movie action, then interviews, back and forth a lot. Was it shot to look like it was shot with a simple digicam?
TJ Wells
04/30/06, 07:14 AM
It's a mocumentary, it's probably a whole lot like Bloody Sunday was. In that case, there's some movie action, then interviews, back and forth a lot. Was it shot to look like it was shot with a simple digicam?
No it's not a documentary, not a mockumentary. It's a movie.
dashboard1190
04/30/06, 08:59 AM
This is easily the biggest thread i've ever started, aside from certain News posts. I'm so happy, it's like my baby. :)
My baby was my Banners thread.
But, i'm kind of glad that died off.
lightcollapse
04/30/06, 09:02 AM
My baby was my Banners thread.
But, i'm kind of glad that died off.
OMG MAKE ME AN [INSERT BAND, OVERRATED PERSON OR OBJECT] BANNER NOW PLZ I WANT IT NOW.
but you still have skills.
MakeDamnSure
04/30/06, 09:15 AM
No it's not a documentary, not a mockumentary. It's a movie.
Oh. In that case, I don't get why anyone has any leg to stand on. I don't hear anyone complaining about Hotel Rwanda. Or is that okay because it was a whole other country and ten years ago? When is "too soon"? Because V for Vendetta was released about terrorism in the UK, and we didn't seem to protest too much about it. Granted, it's different because its not based on a true event (though in some ways he alludes to one a great deal), but it's just as touchy.
If it's fiction, really, you can't ask for anything different. You want to stop releasing intelligent films because the public will misconstrue it? Is it a way to pull for war in Iran? No. Right now the fad is still to be anti-Bush, and a movie is not going to sway it. War has put too much of a depression on the country. Besides, the Iran thing is a bit different, right?
Also, what about the proceeds? Because a film was based loosely on their family members, they deserve the money? Maybe I'm going to Hell, but I don't know of any film where that happened. Schindler's List was based on a story that was sixty years ago, and he has relatives still alive. That was a far worse thing to happen, but no one got paid over there, that I know of. Yeah, some money should probably go to them out of the ethnics of innate goodness and respect. But I don't know where some of you get off saying "if they don't give all the profits they make (which...is determined on royalties to an extent I believe) to the families they are disgusting." I just don't know where you get off thinking you can make judgments on people like that. It looks like if the director and actors did it respectfully, they had only good intentions in mind.
dashboard1190
04/30/06, 09:15 AM
OMG MAKE ME AN [INSERT BAND, OVERRATED PERSON OR OBJECT] BANNER NOW PLZ I WANT IT NOW.
but you still have skills.
OMGz. I stopped taking requests, except I did the Circle Jerk one a couple days ago just because I thought it was funny.
Thanks.
PunkDrums182
04/30/06, 09:28 AM
You should, however, i'll say it again: it's not for everyone. It is unbelievably hard to watch. Harder than Schindler's List and Sophie's Choice put together x1000.
It was a great movie. It's so hard to sit there and watch as they all cry while calling their families. It really makes you think.
TJ Wells
04/30/06, 11:22 AM
Oh. In that case, I don't get why anyone has any leg to stand on. I don't hear anyone complaining about Hotel Rwanda. Or is that okay because it was a whole other country and ten years ago? When is "too soon"? Because V for Vendetta was released about terrorism in the UK, and we didn't seem to protest too much about it. Granted, it's different because its not based on a true event (though in some ways he alludes to one a great deal), but it's just as touchy.
If it's fiction, really, you can't ask for anything different. You want to stop releasing intelligent films because the public will misconstrue it? Is it a way to pull for war in Iran? No. Right now the fad is still to be anti-Bush, and a movie is not going to sway it. War has put too much of a depression on the country. Besides, the Iran thing is a bit different, right?
Also, what about the proceeds? Because a film was based loosely on their family members, they deserve the money? Maybe I'm going to Hell, but I don't know of any film where that happened. Schindler's List was based on a story that was sixty years ago, and he has relatives still alive. That was a far worse thing to happen, but no one got paid over there, that I know of. Yeah, some money should probably go to them out of the ethnics of innate goodness and respect. But I don't know where some of you get off saying "if they don't give all the profits they make (which...is determined on royalties to an extent I believe) to the families they are disgusting." I just don't know where you get off thinking you can make judgments on people like that. It looks like if the director and actors did it respectfully, they had only good intentions in mind.
Smartest thing anyone's said so far.
fluke182
04/30/06, 11:35 AM
This movie is going to make so much money.
It's actually not. Opening weekend made $11.605 million, edit for Rico: which is terrible and borderline bomb for an average movie - not in comparison to it's budget, but to expectations by many. Apparantly critics were right, audiences may not be ready for this. Likely, it will have legs, but legs to get to $100 million? Unlikely. It will probably finish around $60 million.
Steve Henderson
04/30/06, 11:44 AM
It's actually not. Opening weekend made $11.605 million, which is terrible and borderline bomb. Apparantly critics were right, audiences may not be ready for this. Likely, it will have legs, but legs to get to $100 million? Unlikely. It will probably finish around $60 million.
It is only a bomb if it were made on a blockbuster budget. Greengrass said it was made for under $20M, so that first week number is pretty damned good.
Also, it will likely do very well the 2nd week, with less off-taper, as word of mouth carries over.
fluke182
04/30/06, 11:47 AM
It is only a bomb if it were made on a blockbuster budget. Greengrass said it was made for under $20M, so that first week number is pretty damned good.
Also, it will likely do very well the 2nd week, with less off-taper, as word of mouth carries over.
Oh I know, I wasn't referring to it as a bomb off of budget, I was referring to it off expectations by many, such our fellow poster who said, "this movie is going to make so much money." Off subject matter, it also is, considering this is an excellent movie based off quality but overall middling intentions of a money grab by the studio more than likely. I'm aware word of mouth will carry it, but not that far.
Steve Henderson
04/30/06, 12:02 PM
Oh I know, I wasn't referring to it as a bomb off of budget, I was referring to it off expectations by many, such our fellow poster who said, "this movie is going to make so much money." Off subject matter, it also is, considering this is an excellent movie based off quality but overall middling intentions of a money grab by the studio more than likely. I'm aware word of mouth will carry it, but not that far.
You are wise in word as well as in your profile picture :)
dashboard1190
04/30/06, 05:48 PM
I just saw this movie.
I am extremely happy that I did, and I feel that everyone should see it.
It was so moving.
That is all (for now).
Nick Lopez
04/30/06, 06:00 PM
I think I need to take it in.
Coming out of the theater, I was just...solemn. I don't know. Intense, intense movie.
Nick Lopez
04/30/06, 06:03 PM
Fun fact: My dad, during September 11th, was chief of staff for Congressman Doolittle. He was in Washington during this time, and he actually had a meeting in the capitol building that day. When they crashed into the World Trade Centers, he was walking over towards the Capitol. He literally could have been killed had the plane crashed into it. In all likelihood, he wouldn't have, but still. It's..a very real thing.
dashboard1190
04/30/06, 06:13 PM
I think I need to take it in.
Coming out of the theater, I was just...solemn. I don't know. Intense, intense movie.
I didn't know what to say when I was leaving the theater.
I was so moved I was numb.
Steve Henderson
04/30/06, 06:43 PM
I think I need to take it in.
Coming out of the theater, I was just...solemn. I don't know. Intense, intense movie.
Sounds like the ending of Million Dollar Baby. Quietest ending ever.
dashboard1190
04/30/06, 06:47 PM
Sounds like the ending of Million Dollar Baby. Quietest ending ever.
No one was talking at the end of the movie.
Everybody got up and just walked out, completely numb.
fluke182
04/30/06, 10:36 PM
No one was talking at the end of the movie.
Everybody got up and just walked out, completely numb.
They did that at Silent Hill for me, but I think that was just because no one wanted to comment on the fact that they just paid money to see that movie.
charly horse
04/30/06, 10:47 PM
I saw it today. I felt horrible because the girls I went with were being obnoxious and rude. My one friend kept talking about how she was bored and didn't want to be there, and just talking in general. She was being really disrespectful. But, I thought the movie was good. I really liked how at the most hightened spots of the movie it was completely silent, in contrast the the rest of the movie. I really wish I hadn't gone to see it with my friends because I think I would have been more into it.
itmakesyoufeel
05/01/06, 06:28 AM
sounds like i'll have to see this when finals week ends.
dashboard1190
05/01/06, 12:36 PM
I saw it today. I felt horrible because the girls I went with were being obnoxious and rude. My one friend kept talking about how she was bored and didn't want to be there, and just talking in general. She was being really disrespectful. But, I thought the movie was good. I really liked how at the most hightened spots of the movie it was completely silent, in contrast the the rest of the movie. I really wish I hadn't gone to see it with my friends because I think I would have been more into it.
You should have told them to leave. I went with one friend and i'm glad because if I had gone with more than that we wouldn't have paid attention.
I loved how at the end everyone was praying to their own religion, really made the movie become a lot more than just an act of terrorism/heroism.
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