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Broken Parachute
04/29/06, 10:26 PM
This has to be one of the STUPIDEST things I've ever read. Seriously.


Michael Jordan is the best shooting guard of all time, but the best player? There are a few reasons why I think players such as Larry Bird, Bill Russell, Magic Johnson, Wilt Chamberlain and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar are better:


- Wilt Chamberlain said it best when he told Michael that if he is so good, then how come the league hasn't changed the rules in an attempt to stop you? Hell, Wilt was so good that people got away with fouls against him because he was so hard to defend.


- Many rules were changed to make Jordan better. Including shortened a 3 point line, hand checking rules & well defined rules regarding illegal defenses. This greatly effect the 1996 Bulls, one of the greatest teams in NBA history, but not the greatest. When the line was shortened in the 1995-96 season, MJ's 3 point % was .426, and in 1996-97 it was .374. Yet when they moved the line back in 1997-98 it was only .238. Hmmm? Coincidence? I think not! I doubt the Bulls possibly wouldn't have gotten more than 67-69 wins in 1995-96 if David Stern didn't cheat for MJ. Larry Bird's 1986 Boston Celtics were clearly superior. Even though MJ would score 63 points against Boston in the playoffs, Boston still swept the Bulls with ease.
Fact: 1991-92 Bulls > 1995-96 Bulls.


- As good as Michael is, his Bulls are far from the greatest team in history. Russell's Boston Celtics had a far higher winning percentage, and also won 11 championships. Michael only won 6, and that's when the league was becoming mediocre (Michael couldn't even flinch Boston and Michael beat Detroit only when they were aging).


- Even though people say Michael Jordan averages the most points of all time (even though Wilt easily had better scoring seasons), he wasn't the all-around player that the other MJ was (Magic Johnson). Magic Johnson had tons of points, assists and rebounds. Magic Johnson could play any position (just look at the 1980 NBA Finals) and dominated there.


What do you guys think? Is MJ overrated or not? I think he's a top 10 player, but top 5? Nah. He's definitely not the "greatest player" that the NBA hyped/hypes him to be.



I laughed out loud when I read that last line.
bigmike
04/29/06, 10:32 PM
haha. oh wow.
Caleb Cattivera
04/29/06, 10:40 PM
hey at least it was entertaining.
aminorthreat55
04/29/06, 10:45 PM
As much as I love the old school Celtics, this guys a jackass.
lanolynn
04/29/06, 10:46 PM
wow, i hope this person is drunk or only like 12 and never saw jordan play. otherwise this is unforgiveable.
Scott Weber
04/29/06, 11:13 PM
Hahaha right, the 3 point line was moved back for Jordan. Besides, we all know the person who benefited most from that was George McCloud.
ThriftWhore
04/30/06, 01:06 AM
That's why this guy is just a random poster on a video game forum and nothing more- because he's a pure idiot if he thinks MJ is overrated.
bigmike
04/30/06, 01:49 AM
i'm either really drunk, or re-reading this made me laugh alot.
Trainsaw
04/30/06, 05:12 AM
who said the quote "If anyone thinks Larry Bird is the greatest basketball player of all time, they're a racist"
Jesse2
04/30/06, 05:52 AM
baaaahaha. what a douche
mikeford
04/30/06, 10:34 AM
well. he's right. bill russell and wilt chamberlin are both better.
Scott Weber
04/30/06, 11:16 AM
well. he's right. bill russell and wilt chamberlin are both better.
hahahahahahahaha...please explain to me how Bill Russell was a better player than Michael Jordan. Please. I'd love to hear it. And if your only argument is titles, then don't bother.
mikeford
04/30/06, 11:44 AM
because defense is more important than pouring in 35 a night. when you can hold WILT to fuckin 25, youre doing something valuable for your team, moreso than scoring.
preppyak
04/30/06, 11:49 AM
hahahahahahahaha...please explain to me how Bill Russell was a better player than Michael Jordan. Please. I'd love to hear it. And if your only argument is titles, then don't bother.
I guess he could bring up the fact that Jordan has twice as many career points (32292 pts to 14,522), double the career point average.

He could bring up Jordan's two more All-Star game MVP's

He could bring up Jordan's lead in career FG%, 49.7% to 44%, despite the fact Bill was an inside player

He could bring up Russell's impressive 56.1% FT shooting

He could bring up Magic saying "There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us."

Or Bird saying he was, "God disguised as Michael Jordan.

But, all of those things wouldn't help him...the only thing Bill Russell has is some damn impressive rebounding stats (22.5 a game), but that alone doesn't make him better
preppyak
04/30/06, 11:50 AM
because defense is more important than pouring in 35 a night. when you can hold WILT to fuckin 25, youre doing something valuable for your team, moreso than scoring.

Michael Jordan

Defensive Player of the Year (1988); Nine-time All-Defensive First Team (1988-93, 1996-98)

So Jordan did nothing defensively?

He played solid defense, and then poured in twice what Bill could even pretend to
mikeford
04/30/06, 11:54 AM
whatever dudes. you guys have a different opinion of what basketball should be.

they didnt keep blocks as a stat in russells day. do you know how many blocks he would've averaged per game? i've read anywhere from 7 to 15.
preppyak
04/30/06, 12:00 PM
whatever dudes. you guys have a different opinion of what basketball should be.

they didnt keep blocks as a stat in russells day. do you know how many blocks he would've averaged per game? i've read anywhere from 7 to 15.
Michael Jordan had a better all-around game...which is what places him as the best player.

Granted, the current NBA blows defensively, that's not a suprise, but Bill Russell didn't have an offensive upside that Wilt or Jordan had. It's all well and good to be a great defensive player, and if this question was best Defensive player ever, maybe you would have a case, but it's not, it's best overall player.

As a guard, where steals matter defensively, Michael Jordan is #8 on the all time steals per game list...so don't pretend he didn't have a huge defensive upside

You say I have a "different opinion on basketball" do you believe it shouldn't feature great all-around players, not just guys who shoot 30 shots per game and don't play defense...because Jordan was that great all around player
mikeford
04/30/06, 12:14 PM
russell didnt score cuz he had 4 other hall of famers doing it for him.
Caleb Cattivera
04/30/06, 12:20 PM
the leauge was more competitve when jordan played than wehn russell played. im sure he would've averaged a ton of blocks. pretty easy when him and wilt were the biggest centers in the game. most centers for other teams during that time period were between 6'7 and 6'10. russell and wilt played at the most opportune time for stats, especially at their position. russell and wilt would be average centers in the modern day nba.

jordan is forever greater than bill russell.
thejetstolehome
04/30/06, 12:28 PM
Michael Jordan

Defensive Player of the Year (1988); Nine-time All-Defensive First Team (1988-93, 1996-98)

So Jordan did nothing defensively?

He played solid defense, and then poured in twice what Bill could even pretend to

thank you. took the words right out of my mouth.
preppyak
04/30/06, 12:29 PM
russell didnt score cuz he had 4 other hall of famers doing it for him.
Sounds like a role player to me...a guy who is their for his defense and rebounds...kind of like Rodman on the Bulls.

No, I'm not making that comparison, but if he's the greatest player of all time, he should be THE guy for his team, not just a good player on one end
bigmike
04/30/06, 01:33 PM
the leauge was more competitve when jordan played than wehn russell played. im sure he would've averaged a ton of blocks. pretty easy when him and wilt were the biggest centers in the game. most centers for other teams during that time period were between 6'7 and 6'10. russell and wilt played at the most opportune time for stats, especially at their position. russell and wilt would be average centers in the modern day nba.

jordan is forever greater than bill russell.
true story. also why i'd take shaq in his prime over wilt.